Looking for a wife while unemployed... could it be a problem?

[Bobimy]

Hello,
unfortunately I'm unemployed right now (living on welfare). Do you think this could a turn off for women?
What do you think?

Thank you for your answers
Best Regards

[Nightwish]

For most yes, for all, no.... some like fish, some hate it..  same principal but....

but how will you afford to secure someone else's future as well with only welfare? how afford to travel to her? how afford to move her and her belongings to your country?
How afford anything other then living...
I would say not to many are willing to move to a lesser life...

Or are you looking for a sugarmommy? Plenty of rich older women, maybe especially in Russia, looking for love.. maybe that could be something

[BdHvA]

 

I suspect you have a different persona elsewhere in this flora.

But as a general observation is there not a local market where you can select a bride?

[BillyB]

unfortunately I'm unemployed right now (living on welfare). Do you think this could a turn off for women?
What do you think?

If two guys approach a woman, one has a job and the other doesn't, who do you think the woman will prefer to be with? Chances are the women you write will have other guys writing her. She'll factor all the pros and cons among her suitors and choose what she thinks is best. Being unemployed is a big strike against you.

Are you intending to remain unemployed or is this something you want to be temporary? If temporary, focus on getting a job before getting love. When I was a young child, my mother asked me what I'm going to do when I grow up. I told her first I'm going to find a wife, then buy a house and then get a job....in that order. Don't do things backwards. Won't work well for you.

Dating internationally is more expensive dating locally. Women over there know it cost money to fly to them. They expect you to be able to do that and sustain yourself while you're visiting them. Being unemployed will give them doubt you'd even jump on a plane and thus, they are less likely to correspond with you thinking it's a waste of their time.

I don't know what it is like in Italy but in America, we have to prove to the government that we can financially support the woman we intend to bring over. If we do not have financial means to the government's satisfaction, we can have a co-signer pledge to help support the woman. I had a part time truck driver that got married to a Filipino lady and had his dad help him co sign for her since he didn't make enough money. After she got here and worked two or three jobs at any given time, he quit to be a stay at home dad. They had four children together. I don't know how she worked those jobs and pumped out those kids for so long without divorcing him. But there are a few women like that out there that don't need much financial support from their man.

[Boethius]

Hello,
unfortunately I'm unemployed right now (living on welfare). Do you think this could a turn off for women?
What do you think?

Thank you for your answers
Best Regards

Most women are more cautious than are men, so I think for most women, it would be an issue.  It may be less so for women from some parts of Ukraine or, say, Uzbekistan, where unemployment is very high.  I think it would depend on what your standard of living is.  Furthermore, even if you could find a woman, if you are stressed financially (I assume you are, don't know), it would put a lot of strain on a relationship.  Money is a major factor in break ups.  Do you have your own home which is stable?  Can you spend money on clothing, education, etc. for a wife, or is that covered by the government?  Would money be an issue, that is, would you have to budget carefully with little left at the end of the month?

[ML]

It will work for you; just concentrate on women who have high paying jobs that allow  them to work from almost anywhere.

e.g. A fashion model who is in demand in several countries.
e.g. A woman who is running her own internet based business.

These women usually have very few men interested in them, so they are very receptive to men who contact them.

[jone]

ML,

He might want to concentrate on women who also already have their VISAs to his country.  That way he doesn't have to mess with the qualification stuff, either. 

Perhaps a profile that says:

Hello, I'm indigent.  Would you come to my country to take care of me, pay my bills and cook and clean for me.  You have to be at least a 9/10 on the sexy scale and know that I can never take care of you.  Must have valid visa to visit/live here and be independently wealthy. I offer you permanent residency in exchange for all of the above.  Please send photos with response.

- that should bring 'em in.

[Trenchcoat]

Hello,
unfortunately I'm unemployed right now (living on welfare). Do you think this could a turn off for women?
What do you think?

Thank you for your answers
Best Regards

Yes it will turn most off since they are looking for a guys that are able to support them and unemployed will not instill them with confidence. Even if you have your own house and decent amount of funds available it will no doubt be a turn off for them.

My guesses are you don't have a lot in funds, maybe not your own house. There are a few women that will visit home country, I had one who was a Bank Manager type and said when she was visiting, on reflection I didn't think we would be a good match/be into her so I didn't meet (think she was calling up a fair few guys anyway, was in her thirties).

So unless your rich then the best thing I think you can do is concentrate on setting yourself up decently, a house, a job, a reasonable bit of money in the bank. Until then with most women in FSU you will be wasting their time and your time since even if you visited you would not have the finances to take the relationship any further and would have to go back to square one again.

Most FSU as I am finding out think virtually every WM is flush with money and will want you to buy her everything (unless she is quite wealthy already). This is a big financial burden on a guy and her expectations tends to be that a WM should provide more than a local man. So in UK for example, if you have a bog standard wage job (say around £20,000 a year) own your own home and have few outgoings you are only just fulfilling the basics and would be looking for the little extra to make an easy go off it. Some have no doubt done it on less or hoodwinked their woman into believing they are more wealthy than they are. In the past I've seem profile on dating sites from women living up north in UK in grotty areas and I think to myself, hmmn I know what probably happen there, she probably got with a guy she thought was well off only to get with him and find otherwise and is now living in some shitehole in a northern England slum area, lol.   

[BC]

Welcome Bobimy,

might want to review http://www.meltingpot.org/La-procedura-per-il-ricongiungimento-familiare.html

There should be little or no problem with immigration, especially if you are already married.  The income requirements pretty much match what one receives on welfare/unemployment.

Of course, you might find it more difficult to find a woman that would accept your current financial circumstances, but if you are honest with her, have a decent place to stay and run across the right woman certainly doable.  Might even be a blessing in disguise by avoiding those purely interested in a lifestyle upgrade.

My circumstances way back in the mid 80's was fairly similar..  I was the illegal immigrant from the US, married my EU girlfriend with two toddlers who was on welfare, lived in subsidized housing, got married had another kid and started my life from scratch.  Think I had two grand in my pocket and a dog.  Didn't even have a car.. did have a bicycle though.  Within 5 years was self employed, small company with 15 employees.  Within 10 years bought a nice villa here in the south with cash on the table and for the last 20 years semi-retired consultant with steady customers to pay the bills.   So yeah everything is possible, just takes work. 

I think being shy might your biggest hurdle, here or there..  maybe try working on that a bit first?

[Trenchcoat]

Welcome Bobimy,

might want to review http://www.meltingpot.org/La-procedura-per-il-ricongiungimento-familiare.html

There should be little or no problem with immigration, especially if you are already married.  The income requirements pretty much match what one receives on welfare/unemployment.

Of course, you might find it more difficult to find a woman that would accept your current financial circumstances, but if you are honest with her, have a decent place to stay and run across the right woman certainly doable.  Might even be a blessing in disguise by avoiding those purely interested in a lifestyle upgrade.

My circumstances way back in the mid 80's was fairly similar..  I was the illegal immigrant from the US, married my EU girlfriend with two toddlers who was on welfare, lived in subsidized housing, got married had another kid and started my life from scratch.  Think I had two grand in my pocket and a dog.  Didn't even have a car.. did have a bicycle though.  Within 5 years was self employed, small company with 15 employees.  Within 10 years bought a nice villa here in the south with cash on the table and for the last 20 years semi-retired consultant with steady customers to pay the bills.   So yeah everything is possible, just takes work. 

I think being shy might your biggest hurdle, here or there..  maybe try working on that a bit first?

It might but it will be most women I would have thought, that or he'll be used as a stepping stone by a woman that will just use him for immigration then go for the upgrade once in the country - plenty of them around, lol. If he's luck's in then who knows he might end up with a good'un.

[msmob]

Trench - you doing it - again ....     like you are 'qualified' to observe - based on your inability to choose, wisely

[Brianinaz]

Yea, well that kinda sums up where the whole FSU women thing has gone! Geeez really?

[Trenchcoat]

I mean check out this guy, forum members on here state how much money it can take and this guy doesn't even have a job and people here are saying its a goer yet lambaste me when I state I have some money to spend on all this and am in work, can provide (to a certain extent), etc.

[msmob]

[some] people here are saying its a goer yet lambaste me when I state I have some money to spend on all this and am in work, can provide (to a certain extent), etc.

As ever, Trench you read what you want to see ...

Your issue is that you are tight and clueless - yet 'advise' others ...

[2tallbill]

Hello,
unfortunately I'm unemployed right now (living on welfare). Do you think this could a turn off for women?
What do you think?

Thank you for your answers
Best Regards

Get your crap together first, then look for a woman.

[Anotherkiwi]

Get your crap together first, then look for a woman.

That's a bit harsh, Bill.  We don't know WHY he's unemployed or what steps he's taking to end that situation (if he's physically able to).

However, if he's not close to retirement age, is healthy and has marketable skills, I agree!

[2tallbill]

That's a bit harsh, Bill.  We don't know WHY he's unemployed or what steps he's taking to end that situation (if he's physically able to).

However, if he's not close to retirement age, is healthy and has marketable skills, I agree!

He asked for advice. If he had extenuating circumstances, example he is independently
wealthy but unemployed then he should have said so. I always advocate getting your
ducks lined up first.

I've been in his situation and what I did was to get my personal crap in order, then back
to the hunt.

[Trenchcoat]

Funny actually, one of the women I briefly messaged online when I started this search openly stated to me that she was looking for a partner in UK because of the social security system. She was this side of FSU but of Chinese looking decent. I didn't get back to her after that as I want someone who is into me not into the social security system in the UK. Though of course its not to say that she was looking for someone unemployed it may have been a thought as a fall back. In Italy I believe there has been some big unemployment problems in recent years and their government is the next one after Greece with big debt problems. So it is probably hard for Bobimy to get a job which I can understand in that situation. Whether he is poor and reliant on welfare he should have really made clear. If so even if he meets a woman online it will be a case of where they live and who works as both relying on welfare may not be an option. That's my thoughts.

For sure I think Bill is right when he says get your crap together first. I think the first time I went out to Ukraine I thought its just a case of meet girl, you get on and a little way down the track you get it together. For some this might happen but for many it looks like the guy needs to be reasonably well set up to ensure the road ahead together is a viable option (as ML so often says increasing income is very important). This is what I'm going to be working on this winter and I reckon by Spring I will be in a good position on all of this      

[Jumper]

- that should bring 'em in.

O ye of little faith. ..


I went with :

Short, dodgy, unemployed ,unshaven, tattoed, middle aged man-with most of his teeth and hair

Seeks:
 intelligent, beautiful,  employed, family oriented woman. ..with sense of humor.



Worked out just fine for me.

[jone]

O ye of little faith. ..


I went with :

Short, dodgy, unemployed ,unshaven, tattoed, middle aged man-with most of his teeth and hair

Seeks:
 intelligent, beautiful,  employed, family oriented woman. ..with sense of humor.



Worked out just fine for me.

WHAT WAS SHE THINKING?  Actually Ira has pretty good taste in men. 

[Jumper]

   I'd beg to differ.
Her one big flaw is obviously poor eyesight, and another is that soft spot for
Scruffy strays !

[msmob]

In Italy I believe there has been some big unemployment problems in recent years and their government is the next one after Greece with big debt problems.

Hmm

I see our Trench is as enlightened re Govt debt levels as he is re social interaction:

More education for you, Trench



The Darkest coloured nations have the most govt debt...( related to GDP)  .. You might like to check the stats ... The 'Chinese' looking FSU lady's nation likely has less public debt - proportionally than the UK, USA .....

[BC]

Just talking in general terms lacking further specific info, Bobimy may well be in the almost 60% homeowner group without a mortgage.  http://www.oecd.org/els/family/HM1-3-Housing-tenures.pdf  Someone in Italy is almost 3 times as likely than in the US to own their home outright and this is not restricted just to those that are well off.  That probably represents 30+% of a decent salary anywhere.  Can be anywhere, there's usually no 'poor' side of town.  Paupers and millionaires can live side by side. Property taxes practically zero. Think I paid 15 bucks for our villa on a good acre of land.  Whether one is on unemployment, welfare or whatever healthcare is universal and 'free' so what's that worth as a % of income?  Other factors, cellphone charges are cheap here. a 10gb per month plan will cost you 5 EUR for a month include practically unlimited calls and SMS and it's 10 EUR per month.  Fixed fast fiber internet installation around 30 bucks a month.  Food prices reasonable for decent home cooked meals and even eating out.  Immigration visa costs negligible, 50 bucks if that.  Travel costs well.. go figure a lot less than from the US for sure.  The further south you go chances are good you live near the ocean.  Lots of folks, even professionals work on the side and odd jobs for cash even if employed, much more so if unemployed, typically paid somewhere between 5-10 bucks an hour cash.  He probably has some savings as well if he's seriously considering a trip.

Just sayin' this to add some perspective.  If he's honest and finds a girl that loves him what's the problem.. She might find herself in a secure home or apartment near the beach or maybe even an ocean view, decent healthcare, fast internet, living a simple but debt free life without much stress with plenty of FSU folks around for company. A good cappuccino or coffee is just around the corner.  When her hubby finds a new job they'll have a month of vacation to enjoy together that same year and don't have to worry too much about saving for university level education if they decide to have kids.

My bottom line with discussions about the costs of this venture - If you need to go into any debt at all, don't go. 

[Jumper]

BC, thanks interesting perspective.
I agree in general, and he could find a RW,as of course he can also find a local Italian woman.


My sticking point is more on principal, than reality.
Sure he may not be going into debt, as the debt is transfered to others.
Likely not the worst use if gov means tested funds,lol but
regardless if he is using money previously saved, or aquired thru cash side jobs,it's a choice of how to use those verse nessicities in life,so ultimately the general public would  be funding his search.
Since there is no deadline to be married by a certain calender date,
why the need to do so now?
There is never a need to look abroad, only a wish.Plenty of Italian women right?
So wait to look when he can foot the bill,  and be in a better position to bring someone else into the situation.
 
 Maybe I'm just a jerk, but if a guy on welfare (different than unemployment ) in my county here in the u.s.(even with a paid off home) is making trips to the FSU bride hunting
It would strike me as wrong somehow.
I might be more sensitive to this issue, as I know a local couple where the unemployed man required a sponsor to bring his fiancee/wife. Yet now  he is still making more trips and seeing other girls while married. 
 Truth is stranger than fiction.

[BillyB]

Maybe I'm just a jerk, but if a guy on welfare (different than unemployment ) in my county here in the u.s.(even with a paid off home) is making trips to the FSU bride hunting
It would strike me as wrong somehow.

Jerk!!! Unemployed and homeless men need love too and they deserve a smokinhotkova on their arm just as much as you deserve it you you hard working man.

[Jumper]

Jerk!!! Unemployed and homeless men need love too and they deserve a smokinhotkova on their arm just as much as you deserve it you you hard working man.

Well my wife does want me to work.less...

Does Ukraine International airline and Aeroflop  accept EBT cards ?
Sign me up!



All joking aside,  often when I searched, I had the time to do so, because I was off injured or between contracts. So zero income.

Disclaimer:
No gub'ment funds where harmed during these actions or posts.

[Jumper]

Deserve is a dangerous word ML,
For better or worse few of us get what we truly *deserve*.
 

[Trenchcoat]

Hmm

I see our Trench is as enlightened re Govt debt levels as he is re social interaction:

More education for you, Trench



The Darkest coloured nations have the most govt debt...( related to GDP)  .. You might like to check the stats ... The 'Chinese' looking FSU lady's nation likely has less public debt - proportionally than the UK, USA .....

Ah, me mobe Doesn't this map just prove my point that Greece & Italy which have a darker brown than the UK are deeply in the do do. Sure, things there is a high amount of debt to GDP in UK but GDP in UK is a lot higher than in Italy or Greece so each percentage point of GDP that is not given to debt in UK bring in a fair amount of dosh, in Italy & Greece it bring in very little, and of course they are at or near the 100 percent disaster area.

Both Russia & Ukraine as we can see from the map have a lot less debt to GDP than UK or US but I'm guessing their GDP is not very good either, especially Ukraine. Otherwise they would be very wealthy and they of course are not. In Ukraine, few people were buying much in the shops and I think their economy is going from bad to worse and getting in real trouble now, inflation has come down but the damage was already done and the austerity measures it too took really seem to be devastating their economy.

[Trenchcoat]

Just talking in general terms lacking further specific info, Bobimy may well be in the almost 60% homeowner group without a mortgage.  http://www.oecd.org/els/family/HM1-3-Housing-tenures.pdf  Someone in Italy is almost 3 times as likely than in the US to own their home outright and this is not restricted just to those that are well off.  That probably represents 30+% of a decent salary anywhere.  Can be anywhere, there's usually no 'poor' side of town.  Paupers and millionaires can live side by side. Property taxes practically zero. Think I paid 15 bucks for our villa on a good acre of land.  Whether one is on unemployment, welfare or whatever healthcare is universal and 'free' so what's that worth as a % of income?  Other factors, cellphone charges are cheap here. a 10gb per month plan will cost you 5 EUR for a month include practically unlimited calls and SMS and it's 10 EUR per month.  Fixed fast fiber internet installation around 30 bucks a month.  Food prices reasonable for decent home cooked meals and even eating out.  Immigration visa costs negligible, 50 bucks if that.  Travel costs well.. go figure a lot less than from the US for sure.  The further south you go chances are good you live near the ocean.  Lots of folks, even professionals work on the side and odd jobs for cash even if employed, much more so if unemployed, typically paid somewhere between 5-10 bucks an hour cash.  He probably has some savings as well if he's seriously considering a trip.

Just sayin' this to add some perspective.  If he's honest and finds a girl that loves him what's the problem.. She might find herself in a secure home or apartment near the beach or maybe even an ocean view, decent healthcare, fast internet, living a simple but debt free life without much stress with plenty of FSU folks around for company. A good cappuccino or coffee is just around the corner.  When her hubby finds a new job they'll have a month of vacation to enjoy together that same year and don't have to worry too much about saving for university level education if they decide to have kids.

My bottom line with discussions about the costs of this venture - If you need to go into any debt at all, don't go.

Yes, but is a FSW really going to satisfied with, "a simple but debt free life without much stress" I tend to get the impression they are not looking for half measures here and the majority of FSU that are serious are looking for a guy who owns his own home, usually outright or if with a mortgage one he can easily cover (i.e a good income) and a good bit of savings on top. Personally I think going out there with anything much less than owning your own home with some saving in the bank make the viability of the venture more difficult and starts getting to the pint of it not being a good idea, though no doubt some have managed it. I think this kind of demonstrated the type of financial set up to go into this venture with and even then it means finding a girl who is going to be decent by you.

The FSU folk around for company I think a guy has to really watch as with the case of Indle King she soon cheated on him once a decently well of Russian guy came up on the radar. So the guy would have to be assured that she is really well into him no doubts or he could end up being used as an immigration mule.

[BillyB]

Yes, but is a FSW really going to satisfied with, "a simple but debt free life without much stress"

Are you going to be satisfied with a plain looking woman with an average body and live a life without any adventure with her. It's normal for men and women to want more. I don't want a gold digger but I also don't want a woman who is satisfied living a live in a trailer park. Just because a woman wants more, it doesn't mean she's bad. She may inspire you to be a harder, more responsible worker and she may even work herself to obtain more in life. If a woman wants to eat good food, wear good clothes and cosmetics, live in a good house in a good neighborhood, and have her kids go to good schools, is that a bad thing?


Trench, you probably can admit one of your weaknesses is being able to read women. This weakness fuels your belief that you are going to get taken for a ride every time you are in a relationship. This paranoia is going to destroya.


I don't make a habit of recommending what I'm about to recommend but some people need help beyond what they are capable of doing themselves. Since you can't read women, create another profile and use a photo of a guy that is better looking and better dressed than you. When you are in communication with a woman and think she's a good woman that you want to visit, pull out the profile of the other guy and write her through that profile. Say something like "Hello, I'm visiting (her city's name) and was hoping to meet a woman I can help financially. Can we help each other?"  Be vague about the help you're asking for. She may ignore you or respond. Now if your girl writes back and say, "If you want a tour guide, I can do the work for you." don't be upset. She is entitled to work a job in exchange for money. If she asks what she must do, tell her you want sex and will give money for this. If she accepts or starts negotiating, you have your answer to what type of woman she is. Money is important to her and she'd share her body with every guy who gives her money. BUT....if she ignores you and will only work a job that doesn't require her to spread her legs, then she has integrity. At that point you can trust her and move the relationship in the right direction. One of your problems is you never fully trust the women you are in relationships with. Maybe they aren't trustworthy or maybe you are incapable of trusting women. So use the other profile to help you figure out what kind of woman your dealing with since you can't figure it out yourself.

[Trenchcoat]

Are you going to be satisfied with a plain looking woman with an average body and live a life without any adventure with her. It's normal for men and women to want more. I don't want a gold digger but I also don't want a woman who is satisfied living a live in a trailer park. Just because a woman wants more, it doesn't mean she's bad. She may inspire you to be a harder, more responsible worker and she may even work herself to obtain more in life. If a woman wants to eat good food, wear good clothes and cosmetics, live in a good house in a good neighborhood, and have her kids go to good schools, is that a bad thing?


Trench, you probably can admit one of your weaknesses is being able to read women. This weakness fuels your belief that you are going to get taken for a ride every time you are in a relationship. This paranoia is going to destroya.


I don't make a habit of recommending what I'm about to recommend but some people need help beyond what they are capable of doing themselves. Since you can't read women, create another profile and use a photo of a guy that is better looking and better dressed than you. When you are in communication with a woman and think she's a good woman that you want to visit, pull out the profile of the other guy and write her through that profile. Say something like "Hello, I'm visiting (her city's name) and was hoping to meet a woman I can help financially. Can we help each other?"  Be vague about the help you're asking for. She may ignore you or respond. Now if your girl writes back and say, "If you want a tour guide, I can do the work for you." don't be upset. She is entitled to work a job in exchange for money. If she asks what she must do, tell her you want sex and will give money for this. If she accepts or starts negotiating, you have your answer to what type of woman she is. Money is important to her and she'd share her body with every guy who gives her money. BUT....if she ignores you and will only work a job that doesn't require her to spread her legs, then she has integrity. At that point you can trust her and move the relationship in the right direction. One of your problems is you never fully trust the women you are in relationships with. Maybe they aren't trustworthy or maybe you are incapable of trusting women. So use the other profile to help you figure out what kind of woman your dealing with since you can't figure it out yourself.

I thin that is actually a really good idea BillyB Anything that helps can be good in this process. Ok I am not that good at reading FSW but then it is a foreign culture I am not used to. If it was in UK I think I find it easier to read people, admittedly I don't always get it right and learn along the way but I think because of the cultural difference FSW are harder to read for quite a few WM. Your pretty clued up on people I think BillyB naturally as this comes across in your posts and I think is a large part of your success. For me I think vetting these girls in such a manner is certainly a very good idea and one I will do. For me I think it will save me countless time and money on messing around with the wrong type of girl, one after another.

[BC]

BC, thanks interesting perspective.
I agree in general, and he could find a RW,as of course he can also find a local Italian woman.

Yeah it's always greener on the other side of the fence

From his few posts, could not tell much but thought it might be a good idea to share differences that might make things a bit easier over here.  Just adding a a different POV.

My sticking point is more on principal, than reality.
Sure he may not be going into debt, as the debt is transfered to others.
Likely not the worst use if gov means tested funds,lol but
regardless if he is using money previously saved, or aquired thru cash side jobs,it's a choice of how to use those verse nessicities in life,so ultimately the general public would  be funding his search.
Since there is no deadline to be married by a certain calender date,
why the need to do so now?

Well, for one, he has the time now on his side that he wouldn't have if he was working.  Seems he's been single most his life so could have stashed a nice sum over time. 1+1=2

There is never a need to look abroad, only a wish.Plenty of Italian women right?
So wait to look when he can foot the bill,  and be in a better position to bring someone else into the situation.

didn't we all get the 'grass is greener' syndrome?   He said he was a bit shy so that's also not so different than many FSUW seekers around here either.

Maybe I'm just a jerk, but if a guy on welfare (different than unemployment ) in my county here in the u.s.(even with a paid off home) is making trips to the FSU bride hunting
It would strike me as wrong somehow.
I might be more sensitive to this issue, as I know a local couple where the unemployed man required a sponsor to bring his fiancee/wife. Yet now  he is still making more trips and seeing other girls while married. 
 Truth is stranger than fiction.

Well ya can look at it another way.. whatever funds he is receiving, could be unemployment and a translation difference.  He did say he was unemployed and maybe welfare was the word that google translate spit out.  He would get these funds anyway.  Italy has a very low birth rate so families are encouraged as they produce future taxpayers. 
 
I'd much rather see him build a family rather than become a druggie or drunk which in the end would cost more. Yeah strange things go on here and there.. as far as society goes it's background noise.  Just look at all the guys sending their bucks to FSU for chats, translations and pics from igor.. and those maxing out their credit cards at airline sites.  That strikes me somehow as wrong.

p.s. sorry if my response was a bit disjointed and bumpy, hard to keep up with ya on that bike!

Cheers! and good to see ya!

[rw_recruiter]

unfortunately I'm unemployed right now (living on welfare). Do you think this could a turn off for women?

I think a Russian woman would run the other way.

[Boethius]

I think a Russian woman would run the other way.

Can you please advise on what long gained experience of either the Italian social system, or the views of Russian women (and these days, most WM go to Ukraine, not Russia, as in the former, the economy and life in general is in shambles) you base this on?

Lived in Russia?  Lived with a Russian woman?  Had a long term relationship with one?

I'd look at BC's posts on this issue.  He is an American who lives in Italy, and is long term married to a Russian.

[rw_recruiter]

Can you please advise on what long gained experience of either the Italian social system, or the views of Russian women (and these days, most WM go to Ukraine, not Russia, as in the former, the economy and life in general is in shambles) you base this on?

Lived in Russia?  Lived with a Russian woman?  Had a long term relationship with one?

I'd look at BC's posts on this issue.  He is an American who lives in Italy, and is long term married to a Russian.

What does Italy have to do with this? We are talking about an unemployed man who wants to find a Russian woman. I know plenty of Russian women. I have dated Russian women. I have been to banyas in NYC with multiple Russian women. Sorry, but Russian women want security, moreso than Western women. Tell me I am wrong.

[Boethius]

The OP lives in Italy.  The Italian social system is very different from that in the US.


You are wrong. 

[rw_recruiter]

I missed the part where he lives in Italy, but still believe a Russian woman will do a 180 and walk the other way. Tell you what. I will be in Ukraine in a week.
I can ask 20 women in person about it. On video. What are you willing to put up? $500? Donated to a good cause? What do you say?

[Boethius]

Yes, because UW never lie to WM, LOL.  Especially not to men paying the freight, and who are naive enough to believe 21 year old beauties go for men more than twice their age because of "chemistry".

Look, I lived in Ukraine a lengthy period.  I have Ukrainian relatives living from one end of the country to the other.  My long term unemployed nephew just got married.  Yeah, Ukrainian women are absolutely concerned about "security". 

One cannot make sweeping generalizations.  It will depend on the woman.  For women seeking a better/easier life, rather than their other half, yes, this will be an issue.  For a sincere woman looking for a man, not so much.

[rw_recruiter]

My long term unemployed nephew just got married. 

And his wife moved to another country to be with him, right? 

[Boethius]

No, they both moved to a different country to start a new life.


But, just think about what you posted. 

[rw_recruiter]

who are naive enough to believe 21 year old beauties go for men more than twice their age because of "chemistry".

I think you are confusing me with someone who does not know how the world works.

[Boethius]

Yes, yes.  You've demonstrated here already how well you know how the world works.

[msmob]

rw,

I know it looks like folks are piling in on you, but it''s because you're 'just' another 'chap' who is going to be fleeced and despite warnings - seems happy about it

Honestly - we care - but see it ALL the time ...

BTW When you are referring to 'Russian' women you might be referring to Ukrainian women ( hence we say FSU women) and you are betting that one ( a married one ) who knows more about life there and suggesting 'jealousy' ? !  ...

[rw_recruiter]

rw,

I know it looks like folks are piling in on you, but it''s because you're 'just' another 'chap' who is going to be fleeced and despite warnings - seems happy about it

Honestly - we care - but see it ALL the time ...

BTW When you are referring to 'Russian' women you might be referring to Ukrainian women ( hence we say FSU women) and you are betting that one ( a married one ) who knows more about life there and suggesting 'jealousy' ? !  ...

Eh, does not bother me really. I understand as they don't know all the details. I say let the cards play out and we will see what happens.

Yes by Russian I also include Ukrainian in there. Not following the rest of what you are saying, sorry.

[msmob]

Not following the rest of what you are saying, sorry.

Boethius, wagers and all ?

Quite a lot of guys ( who've never been - miss they are dealing with a lady   - FSU lady and don't realise how amusing it is when they butt heads with an expert on the area AND a woman to boot and suggest they 'know  nothing '

[2tallbill]

ML,

He might want to concentrate on

Fat chicks
after all "Fat-bottomed girls you make the rocking world go round"