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« Reply #775 on: October 16, 2014, 03:31:03 AM »
Quote from: Boethius on October 15, 2014, 07:41:25 PM

Seriously.


http://www.razumkov.org.ua/eng/poll.php?poll_id=46
You don't live in a real world. Nobody will ask Ukraine if it wants military bases.
Poles! You're funny.
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« Reply #776 on: October 16, 2014, 03:44:44 AM »
Boe, do you really think that "poles" will have any affect?
For NATO?
 
BTW, now for you
http://podrobnosti.ua/accidents/2014/10/14/997966.html

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« Reply #777 on: October 16, 2014, 06:06:31 AM »
Join Ukrainian army! You'll not be disappointed!





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« Reply #778 on: October 16, 2014, 06:09:35 AM »
Quote from: Faux Pas on October 16, 2014, 01:46:56 AM
More nothing. Have you anything to contribute to the discussion? Are you capable?
Quote from: Faux Pas on October 15, 2014, 09:54:27 AM
No he isn't right about Crimea. There never was, has been or will be a desire for a U.S. base in Crimea. Pure hyperbole propaganda





Looks like a continuation of your anger because I called out your earlier ridiculous statement about KNOWING future plans.  Interesting/telling that you can't get past it!  :D

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« Reply #779 on: October 16, 2014, 09:06:13 AM »
The male mind is very primitive
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« Reply #780 on: October 16, 2014, 10:05:51 AM »
Quote from: Anotherkiwi on October 16, 2014, 02:18:54 AM
That poll is five years old.  There must surely be something more recent.


That is not one poll.  It shows the attitude of Ukrainians over a 7 year period. 


I have linked more recent polls elsewhere here.  Not until the invasion of Ukraine did a majority express any desire to join NATO.
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« Reply #781 on: October 16, 2014, 10:07:12 AM »
Quote from: Doll on October 16, 2014, 03:31:03 AM
You don't live in a real world. Nobody will ask Ukraine if it wants military bases.
Poles! You're funny.


Polls. 


Why do you think Ukraine never joined NATO before?  Why weren't any military bases placed there without asking in the past 24 years?

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« Reply #782 on: October 16, 2014, 10:10:54 AM »
Quote from: Doll on October 16, 2014, 03:44:44 AM
Boe, do you really think that "poles" will have any affect?
For NATO?


No Ukrainian leader has defied the will of the majority on this issue in the past.
 
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BTW, now for you
http://podrobnosti.ua/accidents/2014/10/14/997966.html


So pro Russian separatists (Medevchuk is tied to Putin) orchestrated demonstrations, and blamed nationalists.   That is not surprising.  A Party of Regions supporter was arrested for firing into the crowd, as well.
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« Reply #783 on: October 16, 2014, 11:07:32 AM »
For anyone interested my relatives are safely out of Lugansk for a few weeks now. They left when next door was shelled down. They are now safe in Russia but have to start again from scratch. My cousin is in late fifties, äs I said they left everything behind. This part of my family have always lived in that area, even before it was given to Ukraine by Lenin. They hope one day Kiev will get bombed as well for all they have done and all the people they have killed. This is my hope too.
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« Reply #784 on: October 16, 2014, 11:12:15 AM »
I'm happy your relatives are safe, Ranetka.  It must be a relief for you.


Nevertheless, hoping others are bombed is rather barbaric.
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« Reply #785 on: October 16, 2014, 11:15:20 AM »
Quote from: Boethius on October 16, 2014, 11:12:15 AM



Nevertheless, hoping others are bombed is rather barbaric.

Its easy to be civilised with no threat to livelihood, health or life.
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« Reply #786 on: October 16, 2014, 11:19:30 AM »
True.  However, wishing death and destruction on millions of innocents is not exactly productive, nor humanitarian.


Why aren't you upset with the terrorists who started the whole mess?
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« Reply #787 on: October 16, 2014, 12:13:13 PM »
Quote from: fathertime on October 16, 2014, 06:09:35 AM





Looks like a continuation of your anger because I called out your earlier ridiculous statement about KNOWING future plans.  Interesting/telling that you can't get past it!  :D

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And you keep coming back with nothing
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« Reply #788 on: October 16, 2014, 03:13:21 PM »
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« Reply #789 on: October 16, 2014, 03:17:09 PM »
Quote from: Ranetka on October 16, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
For anyone interested my relatives are safely out of Lugansk for a few weeks now. They left when next door was shelled down. They are now safe in Russia but have to start again from scratch. My cousin is in late fifties, äs I said they left everything behind. This part of my family have always lived in that area, even before it was given to Ukraine by Lenin. They hope one day Kiev will get bombed as well for all they have done and all the people they have killed. This is my hope too.

Stockholm syndrome
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« Reply #790 on: October 16, 2014, 03:34:22 PM »
Quote from: Faux Pas on October 16, 2014, 12:13:13 PM
And you keep coming back with nothing


It takes about nothing to respond to these ignorant posts you make.


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« Reply #791 on: October 16, 2014, 03:37:35 PM »
Quote from: Ranetka on October 16, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
For anyone interested my relatives are safely out of Lugansk for a few weeks now. They left when next door was shelled down. They are now safe in Russia but have to start again from scratch. My cousin is in late fifties, äs I said they left everything behind. This part of my family have always lived in that area, even before it was given to Ukraine by Lenin. They hope one day Kiev will get bombed as well for all they have done and all the people they have killed. This is my hope too.


Well Ranetka, I'm sure a lot of people feel similarly as you do. From the reading I've done there is certainly more than one side to this story.


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« Reply #792 on: October 16, 2014, 04:01:38 PM »

question is ranetka , who took up guns in the first place in the donbass to solve a political issue ??

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« Reply #793 on: October 16, 2014, 04:44:44 PM »
Quote from: southernX on October 16, 2014, 04:01:38 PM
question is ranetka , who took up guns in the first place in the donbass to solve a political issue ??

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Not in donbass. On maidan. Guns, chains, Molotov cocktails. That thing called revolution always results in bloody civil war. The one where Kiev and galicia decided for all Ukrainians.
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« Reply #794 on: October 16, 2014, 05:00:53 PM »
Those guns, chains, and Molotov cocktails did not appear until Berkut started attacking protesters.
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« Reply #795 on: October 16, 2014, 05:01:58 PM »
Quote from: Ranetka on October 16, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
For anyone interested my relatives are safely out of Lugansk for a few weeks now. They left when next door was shelled down.

I'm glad to hear this.

Quote from: Ranetka on October 16, 2014, 11:07:32 AM
They are now safe in Russia but have to start again from scratch. My cousin is in late fifties, As I said they left everything behind. This part of my family have always lived in that area, even before it was given to Ukraine by Lenin. They hope one day Kiev will get bombed as well for all they have done and all the people they have killed. This is my hope too.

Ranetka, the Ukrainian government did not start the insurrection in Donbass.  Nor can your relatives possibly know for certain who shelled the building next door.  As for all of the people they have killed - how would you or Doll react if someone posted that Rostov or Krasnodar or Moscow should be bombed as well, in revenge for all the people that the Russians and pro-Russian separatists have killed in this conflict?  Ukraine as a country has far more of a right to feel aggrieved with what has happened over the past eight months than you or your relatives ever will.
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« Reply #796 on: October 16, 2014, 05:14:43 PM »
Quote from: Ranetka on October 16, 2014, 04:44:44 PM

Not in donbass. On maidan. Guns, chains, Molotov cocktails. That thing called revolution always results in bloody civil war. The one where Kiev and galicia decided for all Ukrainians.



Most those in Maidan protested because of the bad job Yanukovych, Russia's puppet president was doing. Plus he's probably the biggest thief in history. Who started the violence? Protestors or Yanukovych's police force?


I wouldn't say Ukraine is in a civil war. Most civilians don't want to pick up arms to fight the government. Most Ukrainians voted in the current president.


Putin is behind the unrest in east Ukraine. There were no problems there when Putin was busy in Crimea. When Crimea was finished, Putin gave the green light for unrest to begin in East Ukraine, where your family unfortunately used to live. Putin is in total control if there is war in Ukraine or not. Most Ukrainians support their president in keeping their country intact and for that to happen, they must use force on the rebels. Unfortunately the rebels choose churches, schools and cities as hideouts and for their battlegrounds knowing it makes the Ukrainian government look bad when there are civilian casualties. If the rebels cared about east Ukrainians, they should hide and fight in unpopulated areas such as forests.
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« Reply #797 on: October 16, 2014, 05:16:42 PM »
Quote from: fathertime on October 16, 2014, 03:37:35 PM

Well Ranetka, I'm sure a lot of people feel similarly as you do. From the reading I've done there is certainly more than one side to this story.


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« Reply #798 on: October 16, 2014, 06:45:19 PM »
Quote from: Ranetka on October 16, 2014, 04:44:44 PM

Not in donbass. On maidan. Guns, chains, Molotov cocktails. That thing called revolution always results in bloody civil war. The one where Kiev and galicia decided for all Ukrainians.

What was decided for all Ukrainians was to have free and fair elections-- as distinct from corrupt contrived nonsense.

If there was an ounce of truth in your assertions-- try explaining why the rest of Ukraine is as peaceful as it is. Life is functioning normally only a short distance from the war front and across Ukraine. Attempts to destabilise Ukraine have failed.
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« Reply #799 on: October 16, 2014, 07:07:45 PM »
But what Ranetka stated is, in fact, what millions of Ukrainians believe, whether or not others wish to acknowledge that.
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