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« Reply #750 on: May 18, 2015, 05:29:06 AM »
Quote from: The Natural on May 17, 2015, 12:24:48 PM
Probably on leave. If Russia really wanted to invade, Kiev and nazi nest Lviv would be turned into Ashes in no time.

"...nazi nest Lviv..."? My future stepdaughter, refugee from the muscovite invasion of Luhansk, attends a Russian language public school in Lviv. How many Ukrainian language public schools are there left in kleptocratically and fanatically anti-Ukrainian "Russian"-ruled Krym?

Natty, your level of ignorance concerning all extant facts Ukrainian is mind-boggling extreme...along with your prejudice against anything or anyone that does not have the blessing of the KGB FSB controlled Kremlin.
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« Reply #751 on: May 18, 2015, 07:45:51 AM »
Like he cares. 
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« Reply #752 on: May 18, 2015, 11:34:38 AM »
Quote from: cc3 on May 18, 2015, 05:29:06 AM
Natty, your level of ignorance concerning all extant facts Ukrainian is mind-boggling extreme...along with your prejudice against anything or anyone that does not have the blessing of the KGB FSB controlled Kremlin.


He will never admit it.  My in laws in Kyiv are Russian.  They speak Russian in their daily lives.  They rarely use Ukrainian.  Yet, they have no issues with the government, nor do they feel persecuted in any manner whatsoever.
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« Reply #753 on: May 18, 2015, 11:37:21 AM »
More proof of Russian activity in Donbas -


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Hackers have consistently used low-level cyberwarfare tactics to advance Russian goals in Ukraine.  A dedicated group of hackers successfully infected the email systems of the Ukrainian military, counterintelligence, border patrol and local police. The hackers use a spear-phishing attack in which malware is hidden in an attachment that appears to be an official Ukrainian government email.

For the most part, the technologies are not advanced but the attacks have been persistent. Lookingglass, a cybersecurity firm, suspects the Russian Federal Security Service (FSB) is the culprit behind the virus dubbed Operation Armageddon. . .

Cyberattacks have increased in frequency around the time of military action, possibly indicating that the attacks are part of the overall offensive. The number of callbacks—computer communications showing someone is hacking a computer—to Russia increased as the turmoil rose.


http://www.newsweek.com/putin-controls-all-ukraines-airwaves-phones-and-computers-332439
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« Reply #754 on: May 18, 2015, 11:48:44 AM »
More on the Russian soldiers captured in Ukraine -


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Under Ukrainian law, the men face life sentences if found guilty of committing a terrorist act.

The Ukrainian military said documents and information obtained during interrogations proved the two men are Captain Yevgeny Yerofeyev, 28, and Sergeant Alexander Alexandrov, 26, Russian citizens and members of the 3rd Special Forces Brigade of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation, part of the country's Main Intelligence Directorate, a foreign military intelligence division commonly known as the GRU.

At a televised press conference in Kiev, the commander of Ukraine's 92nd Brigade, Viktor Nikolyuk, said Yerofeyev and Alexandrov were wounded and later captured during a fight between their unit and his forces Saturday afternoon near the town of Shchastya. One Ukrainian soldier was killed and another wounded in the skirmish, he added, showing a rifle allegedly used by the Russians.

http://mashable.com/2015/05/18/ukraine-prosecute-russian-soldiers/#:eyJzIjoiZiIsImkiOiJfeDhtZW9vdTRmbTljajdiaiJ9
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« Reply #755 on: May 18, 2015, 12:22:17 PM »
What do you think of this idea?:

Ukraine should make a big public plea for a prisoner exchange, where these two Russian soldiers are traded for Nadia Savchenko. It should make a huge headline in the media. If Moscow refuses, they'll appear even more blood-thirsty than they already do. Ukraine will come across as more humanitarian. Those two opposing realities will become more clear. If Moscow refuses, more attention should be focused on these two Russians, with intense scrutiny and daily reports in the media.
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« Reply #756 on: May 18, 2015, 05:24:40 PM »

I haven't thought about it to that degree, PG.


Here is an interview with one of the captured soldiers.  Both were injured, and currently are hospitalized.

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« Reply #757 on: May 18, 2015, 06:00:04 PM »
The face of the enemy. A pawn in Putin's chess game.
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« Reply #758 on: May 18, 2015, 06:13:55 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on May 18, 2015, 05:24:40 PM
I haven't thought about it to that degree, PG.


Here is an interview with one of the captured soldiers.  Both were injured, and currently are hospitalized.



He did well under interrogation.  He tried to cover for his buddies.  Not much you can do when your life depends on the cooperation of the enemy.  You definitely feel sorry for him. 

Where are the Novorossiya cheerleaders now?
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« Reply #759 on: May 18, 2015, 06:29:59 PM »
This man will never be able to go home after giving this interview.
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« Reply #760 on: May 18, 2015, 06:31:55 PM »
Quote from: jone on May 18, 2015, 06:29:59 PM
This man will never be able to go home after giving this interview.

He will be fine. 
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« Reply #761 on: May 18, 2015, 06:33:33 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on May 18, 2015, 05:24:40 PM

Here is an interview with one of the captured soldiers.  Both were injured, and currently are hospitalized.



He is in a military intelligence unit and he spilled his guts that easily, allegedly "without physical coercion"?  Something stinks on this to high heaven. 
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« Reply #762 on: May 18, 2015, 06:39:44 PM »
Maybe he realises by spilling the bean, he can bargain his way into getting asylum in an EU country and a fat bank balance.
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« Reply #763 on: May 18, 2015, 06:42:42 PM »
He wouldn't have told them anything they didn't already know.
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« Reply #764 on: May 18, 2015, 06:48:31 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on May 18, 2015, 06:42:42 PM
He wouldn't have told them anything they didn't already know.

He is also lying
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« Reply #765 on: May 18, 2015, 06:50:22 PM »
Quote from: Photo Guy on May 18, 2015, 12:22:17 PM
What do you think of this idea?:

Ukraine should make a big public plea for a prisoner exchange, where these two Russian soldiers are traded for Nadia Savchenko. It should make a huge headline in the media. If Moscow refuses, they'll appear even more blood-thirsty than they already do. Ukraine will come across as more humanitarian. Those two opposing realities will become more clear. If Moscow refuses, more attention should be focused on these two Russians, with intense scrutiny and daily reports in the media.

This has already been suggested by a Ukrainian:

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"Rather than prosecuting the two detainees, Anton Heraschenko, an adviser to Ukraine's interior minister, suggested exchanging the two detained Russian servicemen for pilot Nadia Savchenko, who is currently sitting in a Russian jail cell, and some 400 other Ukrainian prisoners of war."


http://mashable.com/2015/05/18/ukraine-prosecute-russian-soldiers/#:eyJzIjoiZiIsImkiOiJfeDhtZW9vdTRmbTljajdiaiJ9
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« Reply #766 on: May 18, 2015, 06:51:04 PM »
Quote from: lordtiberius on May 18, 2015, 06:48:31 PM
He is also lying


About what, and how do you know?
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« Reply #767 on: May 18, 2015, 06:57:32 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on May 18, 2015, 06:51:04 PM

About what, and how do you know?

I am doubtful that he is lying, however a lot of what he said can probably be corroborated via Ukraine intelligence.  I also read that Russia is pulling it's paratroopers out of Eastern Ukraine in a big rush as a result of these two being captured and talking.  That could be a signal his story is credible.  If so, I hope Merkel and the rest of the useless political cowards publicize this worldwide and put Putin on the spot.
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« Reply #768 on: May 18, 2015, 08:09:40 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on May 18, 2015, 06:51:04 PM

About what, and how do you know?

He is lying about his mission and the last names of his sister units.  He is lying about the size of his unit and the the size of sister units.  He says there are 4 to 6 groups rotating in and out of different regions along the front and that his unit is 14 men.  So there are only 64 men along the front?  I was a 120 man company and a 600 man battalion.  I knew every guy in my company and a good number of guys in my battalion.  He was to report and observe but not cross the contact line?

He is lying.  He has had some training in Resistance, but not enough.

How do I know?  Deduction and human behavior, he will reveal more about his mission than he will about his mates.  he told us how his commander and his unit is but not the names of mates.  He is an honorable man and accorded Russia well in captivity.  He knows WAY more than he is letting on, but it is hard to really interrogate this man when his condition is weak.  His survival and recovery are a matter of national prestige.

When this war is over, people may regard him as a hero.

Quote from: calmissile on May 18, 2015, 06:57:32 PM
If so, I hope Merkel and the rest of the useless political cowards publicize this worldwide and put Putin on the spot.

And then what?  What do you mean put him on the spot?  Put Putin on the spot?  You mean sing a version of Blueberry Hill?

Here on this forum pro-Euromaidan activists do not support pulling SWIFT away from Russia and you want him to be put on the spot or whatever that means?

You deal with a thug on his terms - no mercy.
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« Reply #769 on: May 18, 2015, 08:30:45 PM »
Quote from: AC on May 18, 2015, 06:33:33 PM
He is in a military intelligence unit and he spilled his guts that easily, allegedly "without physical coercion"?  Something stinks on this to high heaven.


He's trying to survive.
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« Reply #770 on: May 18, 2015, 08:43:40 PM »
They saved his leg before the interrogation, and no prisoner taken by the Ukrainian army (as opposed to paramilitaries) has ever been executed.  So, there is no chance he would not be alive.
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« Reply #771 on: May 18, 2015, 08:54:18 PM »
These 2 Russians being captured doesn't SEEM like a very big story.  If Ukraine wants to 'show off' these soldiers, then they can do it.  It was already clear Russia has some involvement, and will continue to.   


Ukraine vows to show off 'captured Russian soldiers'



Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine vowed on Monday to show off two Russian soldiers it claimed to have captured while fighting Moscow-backed forces in the separatist east.

Related Stories

Russian troops captured in Ukraine treated in Kiev hospital Associated Press
Ukraine says two Russian soldiers captured in east AFP
Ukraine says it will prosecute captured Russian soldiers for terrorist acts Reuters
Two Russian Troops Captured While Fighting In Ukraine Huffington Post
Report: Some Russian Soldiers Quit Army Over Ukraine War Huffington Post
The politically-charged declaration came as a tenuous February truce was broken by more violence that claimed the lives of at least four Ukrainian servicemen......
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-vows-show-off-captured-russian-soldiers-111125695.html


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« Reply #772 on: May 18, 2015, 09:00:15 PM »
Quote from: Steamer on May 18, 2015, 08:30:45 PM

He's trying to survive.

Then he obviously does not believe in his mission.  He gave all the information with far too much ease.  Either he gave mostly false information, or he is not what they say he is, or he does not believe in the mission much at all.  I am inclined to think he does not believe in the mission.

However the ease with which he gave up the all the information is not at all congruent with somebody who would have had his training.  Something simply does not add up.
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« Reply #773 on: May 18, 2015, 09:06:09 PM »
Quote from: Boethius on May 18, 2015, 08:43:40 PM
So, there is no chance he would not be alive.

He is in captivity.  Like Steamer said, he is just trying to survive.  There is no dishonor in that.

Quote from: fathertime on May 18, 2015, 08:54:18 PM
These 2 Russians being captured doesn't SEEM like a very big story.  If Ukraine wants to 'show off' these soldiers, then they can do it.  It was already clear Russia has some involvement, and will continue to.   


Ukraine vows to show off 'captured Russian soldiers'



Kiev (AFP) - Ukraine vowed on Monday to show off two Russian soldiers it claimed to have captured while fighting Moscow-backed forces in the separatist east.

Related Stories

Russian troops captured in Ukraine treated in Kiev hospital Associated Press
Ukraine says two Russian soldiers captured in east AFP
Ukraine says it will prosecute captured Russian soldiers for terrorist acts Reuters
Two Russian Troops Captured While Fighting In Ukraine Huffington Post
Report: Some Russian Soldiers Quit Army Over Ukraine War Huffington Post
The politically-charged declaration came as a tenuous February truce was broken by more violence that claimed the lives of at least four Ukrainian servicemen......
http://news.yahoo.com/ukraine-vows-show-off-captured-russian-soldiers-111125695.html


Fathertime!

What's the big deal?  According to your people, there is no war.  This man is not a soldier but a terrorist.  He will be tried in public in a court of law.  May the best post-Soviet legal code win
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« Reply #774 on: May 18, 2015, 09:19:09 PM »
He knows he is worth a lot in terms of propaganda value to the Ukrainian Government.
Any person in his position will try to bargain that for political asylum in an EU country and enough money to retire on.
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