2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[GQBlues]

UK government health report. Pay attention to pages 13 and 14. 7200 people with two doses of vaccines got the Delta variant and 50 of those people died. 53,800 unvaccinated people got the Delta variant and 44 people died. 13,700 people with one dose of vaccine got the Delta variant and only 19 people died. Do the math. People with less or no vaccine have a higher chance of surviving the Delta variant. Remember what those three vaccine experts said? The experimental vaccine may compromise a healthy immune system making us more likely to get sick and/or die which can lead to a mass depopulation event.

BillyB-

Too early to call on the cows to come home. The published efficacy of the vaccine, IIRC, is over 97%. The CFR shown on the article is well within the expected range even with this variant.

You’re doing the exact same that started this mass hysteria. Concentrating on the <1% while losing sight of the +99%er.

[Trenchcoat]

The 53 thousand unvaccinated are an interesting figure when it comes to deaths, more people died who had the vaccine than without even though that is based on fewer positive cases than without or at least roughly half of the population having some vaccine half without during that period.

The hospitalisations meanwhile show roughly half that figure where hospitalised that were vaccinated than those without. So it looks like in addition to avoiding getting the virus or it no longer showing as a problem that there is less chance of being hospitalised if you have the vaccine, but there is no less risk of dying if you have had the vaccine for certain people, who those people are and why we still need to find out?

[BC]

Trench,

I think we can be confident folks that are crunching statistics, but conclusions such as yours above can't be drawn from the UK Health Technical briefing document we've been discussing.

[edit]

To underline my point:

Nearly all COVID-19 deaths in the U.S. now are in people who weren’t vaccinated, a staggering demonstration of how effective the shots have been and an indication that deaths per day — now down to under 300 — could be practically zero if everyone eligible got the vaccine.

An Associated Press analysis of available government data from May shows that “breakthrough” infections in fully vaccinated people accounted for fewer than 1,200 of more than 853,000 COVID-19 hospitalizations. That’s about 0.1%.

And only about 150 of the more than 18,000 COVID-19 deaths in May were in fully vaccinated people. That translates to about 0.8%, or five deaths per day on average.

The AP analyzed figures provided by the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. The CDC itself has not estimated what percentage of hospitalizations and deaths are in fully vaccinated people, citing limitations in the data.

http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

[Trenchcoat]

Trench,

I think we can be confident folks that are crunching statistics, but conclusions such as yours above can't be drawn from the UK Health Technical briefing document we've been discussing.

[edit]

To underline my point:


http://apnews.com/article/coronavirus-pandemic-health-941fcf43d9731c76c16e7354f5d5e187

I don't see why we can't. At the start of this pandemic most of the deaths were in the elderly with underlying health problems. The statistics show that among those vaccinated with 2 doses all deaths were in those over 55, the elderly if you like. So could it be that it remains the case that most deaths are still in the elderly with underlying health conditions even if vaccinated? It seems plausible as after all the vaccine is there to tackle the virus it doesn't turn someone into a superhero, if their health is poor it won't take much to push them over the edge, with a variant it's not a direct match to the vaccine so it will allow some damage to be done to those with weakened immune systems, i e the elderly with underlying health problems.

End of the day the UK stats Billy quoted are official statistics, they're not made up.

My guess is as more time passes more official statistics both in the US, UK & elsewhere will substantiate this as will reports of who is dying. Remember most of the UK adult population is now vaccinated, IS as well probably, so who are these people that are now dying, the young? doubtful as we would no doubt be hearing a lot about it if it was, my guess is that apart from a few older people that chose not to be vaccinated that it is the elderly with underlying health conditions that have been vaccinated.

Its possible of course that some elderly with underlying health conditions purposely chose not to be vaccinated as suffering in old age with no quality of life and possibly lonely well they might not have minded too much if they got an end to it all.

[BC]

Trench,

The numbers aren't being questioned, only the layman's analysis of the numbers is the issue.  This report specifically represents tested cases of the Delta variant.  We don't know how representative this subset of data is for the general population of infected folks.  Even simple questions like 'Were all positive COVID tests also tested to identify the variant? If not, what was the selection criteria for performing genome tests?' are important.

Statistics is a science.  Neither you, I nor BillyB have the required knowledge and education to draw any authoritative conclusions from complex subsets of data and apply it to the general population.  Let's leave that to the experts. 

[BillyB]

BillyB-

Too early to call on the cows to come home. The published efficacy of the vaccine, IIRC, is over 97%. The CFR shown on the article is well within the expected range even with this variant.

Over 92,000 people were observed in that data and those vaccinated with one and two doses are dying more often than those not vaccinated. People should pay attention to the data of that sample size.


How do you know what the efficacy rate of the vaccine is? What they tell you and what the truth is are two different things. The experts I mention upthread said it's too early to tell. Healthy peoples own immune system survival rate is going over 99% now yet we give credit to the vaccine for saving them?

You’re doing the exact same that started this mass hysteria. Concentrating on the <1% while losing sight of the +99%er.

The three experts I mentioned upthread said there could be a mass depopulation event due to the vaccines which could cost billions of lives. Don't blame me for that revelation. They probably own stock and are losing money saying what they're saying but they seem to genuinely care about humanity.


One guy is an ex VP of Pfizer, graduated top of his class, and started a biotech company that he turned around and sold for $350 million. Another guy is an ex senior project manager for epidemics for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and the last guy is a French Nobel Peace Prize winner in vaccines.


How many people promoting vaccines and who work at the FDA can hold a candle to those three guys? They are all leaders in their field of work and they are sounding off the alarm vaccinating healthy people with experimental vaccines is stupid, especially when we were able to beat all modern day epidemics and pandemics using other strategies.

Over 92,000 people were included in the Delta variant data. 11,000 were unlinked53,822 were unvaccinated and 44 died. for a ratio of 1 out of 1223 unvaccinated people died from the delta variant.

13,715 people had one dose of the vaccine for more than 21 days and still got infected by the Delta variant and 17 people died. 1 out of 807 people died although got one jab. Notice survival rate in the data significantly goes up if the vaccine was in the body for less than 21 days?
7235 people had two doses of the vaccine and still got infected by the Delta variant and 50 people died. 1 out of 145 people with two jabs are dying.

[GQBlues]

Over 92,000 people were observed in that data and those vaccinated with one and two doses are dying more often than those not vaccinated. People should pay attention to the data of that sample size.


How do you know what the efficacy rate of the vaccine is? What they tell you and what the truth is are two different things. The experts I mention upthread said it's too early to tell. Healthy peoples own immune system survival rate is going over 99% now yet we give credit to the vaccine for saving them?

Too early to tell? LMAO. Yet you jumped all over a pretty darn useless and premature scenario and here you are trumpeting and concluding the end of the world!


Funny that.

The three experts I mentioned upthread said there could be a mass depopulation event due to the vaccines which could cost billions of lives. Don't blame me for that revelation. They probably own stock and are losing money saying what they're saying but they seem to genuinely care about humanity.

Is this the same 3 that offered the dissenting opinions you clung on so hard that you pretty much discarded the thousands, if not millions, that countered your 'fact'? Why do you get so caught up in this types of silliness, BillyB?

One guy is an ex VP of Pfizer, graduated top of his class, and started a biotech company that he turned around and sold for $350 million. Another guy is an ex senior project manager for epidemics for the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation and the last guy is a French Nobel Peace Prize winner in vaccines.


How many people promoting vaccines and who work at the FDA can hold a candle to those three guys? They are all leaders in their field of work and they are sounding off the alarm vaccinating healthy people with experimental vaccines is stupid, especially when we were able to beat all modern day epidemics and pandemics using other strategies.

Over 92,000 people were included in the Delta variant data. 11,000 were unlinked53,822 were unvaccinated and 44 died. for a ratio of 1 out of 1223 unvaccinated people died from the delta variant.

13,715 people had one dose of the vaccine for more than 21 days and still got infected by the Delta variant and 17 people died. 1 out of 807 people died although got one jab. Notice survival rate in the data significantly goes up if the vaccine was in the body for less than 21 days?
7235 people had two doses of the vaccine and still got infected by the Delta variant and 50 people died. 1 out of 145 people with two jabs are dying.

Which means - Z-E-R-O, zilch, nada, Goose egg, el blanko!

The numbers in your this particular subset's CFR is well <1%. The published efficacy of the vaccines is at 97%.

Inhale, exhale, lather, rinse...then repeat. Shift the gears once in a while.

[BillyB]

Have you gotten the jab GQ?

[Trenchcoat]

Trench,

The numbers aren't being questioned, only the layman's analysis of the numbers is the issue.  This report specifically represents tested cases of the Delta variant.  We don't know how representative this subset of data is for the general population of infected folks.  Even simple questions like 'Were all positive COVID tests also tested to identify the variant? If not, what was the selection criteria for performing genome tests?' are important.

Statistics is a science.  Neither you, I nor BillyB have the required knowledge and education to draw any authoritative conclusions from complex subsets of data and apply it to the general population.  Let's leave that to the experts.

It's recently been reported that scientists in the UK have studied those infected and found that the Delta variant is now the dominant Coronavirus in the UK, the Kent variant they found a few and the odd original virus but nearly all were the Delta variant. You can Google it if you wish.

The main thing from these statistics is that the vaccine seems to only remove some of the suffering of contracting the virus as in less people needing hospital treatment that and the statistics seem to show it is reducing infection susceptibility even with the more  infectious Delta variant that and/or people aren't displaying symptoms/reacting as badly to it. Deaths though seem largely unchanged as as Billy says here doesn't seem to be affecting the outcome over those who had not been vaccinated.

I wouldn't say the vaccine was a waste of time or hasn't worked at all. Long term affects remain to be seen but it does look like we aren't out of the woods on this one yet as some people seem to think. In the UK there are still twenty something people dying daily so the vaccine hasn't solved it yet.

[BillyB]

Trench, and anybody that's curious. Video below shows your news reporting people who took a vaccine are dying from the Delta variant nearly 2 to 1 over those who are unvaccinated.

http://t.me/TommyRobinsonNews/21036

[GQBlues]

Have you gotten the jab GQ?

No. And I don't find the need to.

[BC]

http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

[BillyB]

No. And I don't find the need to.

Then we think alike. Don't mind me posting what experts on the other side of the fence are saying. I'm just one little guy on the internet. If Trump or Biden said there's a chance we will have a mass depopulation event from experimental vaccines according to leading scientists in the industry, we'd have much more problems than trying to find toilet paper.

http://www.theguardian.com/theobserver/commentisfree/2021/jun/27/why-most-people-who-now-die-with-covid-have-been-vaccinated

Nice spin BC. Enjoy your next experimental vaccine coming out before Winter. If unvaccinated people were dying from the Delta variant 2 to 1 over vaccinated people, the media wouldn't need to put a spin on it and you can say "See BillyB! Vaccines are working great!"

[BC]

Nice spin BC. Enjoy your next experimental vaccine coming out before Winter. If unvaccinated people were dying from the Delta variant 2 to 1 over vaccinated people, the media wouldn't need to put a spin on it and you can say "See BillyB! Vaccines are working great!"

No media spin here.  The authors are not from the media news pool.  Consider the article as authoritative as the report you are relying on.

[BillyB]

No media spin here.  The authors are not from the media news pool.  Consider the article as authoritative as the report you are relying on.

Very intelligent people got you and many other people to believe there is no widespread election fraud. Although they aren't simple journalists, they can still have agendas and use their expertise as leverage to get you to believe what they want you to believe.

[BC]

As your opinion, that's fine, remaining your problem and not mine, BillyB

Hey that rhymes...  I'll have to whip a few chords together and strum a tune out of it!

You might want to reflect on your statement about those that have "agendas and use their expertise as leverage to get you to believe what they want you to believe"
I've been wondering exactly that about you.

[Trenchcoat]

More problems with the virus this time in unvaccinated children in India:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-india-57551285

Meanwhile the Delta Plus variant is starting to knock around out there. Virus cases have been falling out in India under strict lockdown but now plans to lift those measures have been put off over fears the Delta Plus variant may be even more infectious and/or virulent. How long India can go on like it has remains to be seen. It's not one of the more wealthier countries around and has a huge population that it will find difficult to vaccinate so it's looking likely that it will increasingly get caught between the virus and economic hardship of lockdown.

[GQBlues]

Well, it lasted two weeks. LA is once again back to the silly mask mandate. Those darn vaccinated folks are spreading the virus everywhere!! Methinks they should all be isolated and kept inside their homes for at least 3-6 months. Except wifey, of course.

[BC]

 

[Trenchcoat]

Looks like the UK are expecting this virus to be a long running thing. Brief summary here tells us that the Gov is very likely to be giving Covid booster jabs to the over 50s along with the flu jab, that might also possibly be under 50s as well:

http://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/half-of-uk-to-get-third-covid-booster-jab-to-avoid-further-lockdowns-trt6mnr8n

The flu jab I will get again this year even if I have to pay for it as think the threat of the flu combined with the Coronavirus is too great. Another Coronavirus jab I am on the fence over, odds are it will just be the elderly they offer it to anyway. Not sure if it will be one that deals with current variants or another based in the original virus. The latter I don't feel I need the former I would be on the fence about having it. General plan was just to rely on my immune system from here on out apart from flu jabs so unless there seemed a real need I would probably stick with that approach I think.


In other news GAP are closing all 81 of their high street stores and moving all their operation online. I don't personally shop there, don't know who does. So could be low revenue as a result of virus or just people wanting to buy. Either way looks like some businesses may have decided that online is the way forward. If the virus is going to be knocking around for some time to come isolated working, shopping, etc may become the new norm.

[Trenchcoat]

Anyone got any idea on the outlook of this virus for the months/years ahead?

To me it looks like the odds are that the virus will continue to mutate to new variants. Partly due to Vaccinating large populations like India have and partly due to it transmitting in the population of each country, but how far that will go who knows? I'm just wondering if travelling abroad like we used to will be possible going forward, or whether we might all end up mostly isolated in our own country.

[BC]

Anyone got any idea on the outlook of this virus for the months/years ahead?

To me it looks like the odds are that the virus will continue to mutate to new variants. Partly due to Vaccinating large populations like India have and partly due to it transmitting in the population of each country, but how far that will go who knows?

Don't know if I understood your statement, but it's probably more likely the variant started there because of the billion unvaccinated and not the vaccinated. India was late in the vaccination game IIRC.  Once a new variant is discovered, you can be pretty confident it's next door as well.

[Trenchcoat]

Don't know if I understood your statement, but it's probably more likely the variant started there because of the billion unvaccinated and not the vaccinated. India was late in the vaccination game IIRC.  Once a new variant is discovered, you can be pretty confident it's next door as well.

Sorry that wasn't a very clear statement I made I meant the trouble India have vaccinating such a large population. I think not only were India late in the vaccination game but their huge population gives them trouble Vaccinating such a large number of people that few other nations have, China being the other one but they tend to have more control & organisation due to their authoritarian nature of government I think.

[BillyB]

LinkedIn, owned by big tech Microsoft, bans account of Dr. Robert Malone who invented mRNA technology after he warns of COVID shot. It's not what the government wants us to hear.

http://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/linkedin-deletes-account-of-mrna-vaccine-pioneer-who-issued-warning-about-risks_3884669.html


World's smartest man says the vaccines could cause mass depopulation

http://bigleaguepolitics.com/worlds-smartest-man-with-210-iq-urges-resistance-to-covid-vax-depopulation-agenda/


Government official trying to fool us by getting a fake jab.

http://t.me/WeTheMedia/24655


More government officials think we're stupid.

http://t.me/WeTheMedia/24186


I know many of you embrace the current narrative vaccines are safe and don't want to hear what the other side of the fence has to say but you need to realize the people putting out the current narrative are very deceptive. Video below of Representative Jim Jordan going through Fauci's emails. Talk between him and experts at first was the virus came out of a lab. Next discussions emails heavily redacted including entire pages. Then Fauci and friends all say the virus came from an animal. While Trump and Pompeo was telling the truth last year, propaganda media ridiculed them and claimed they don't listen to scientists. Fauci and friends stayed silent. This isn't only an American problem. WHO and the rest of the world's scientists stayed silent when the studies showed the virus came from a lab. Instead they pointed out to Chinese Communist govt. approved studies that were manipulated to get people to believe the virus came from an animal. All these 'experts' deceive us for no good reason. They deceive us on this virus just like they deceive us on global warming. Scientists will say what the politicians want them to say otherwise they don't get funded.

[ML]

I am not understanding why government officials (in cahoots with scientists) would want to kill off millions or billions of people by requiring them to get vaccinated.

If depopulation of the world is the goal, shouldn't there be some sort of selective requirements as to who will be required to get vaccinated and who will be exempt ?

Surely leaders would want to maintain at least the current level of intelligence and health, and more optimally, increase both.

But maybe that has already been factored in and explains why received ESP (or some such) messages to my brain telling me to get vaccinated.