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'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« on: October 24, 2017, 12:57:05 AM »
Wanna win, on Forex, today ?

Sell GBP ..

Every time this clueless woman opens her gob on the negotiations with the EU - for a UK audience -  our currency falls further...

Hands up which idiot voting to leave Europe believed we'd be saving money and better off ?

http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/oct/23/brexit-transition-period-final-eu-trade-deal-theresa-may?utm_source=esp&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=GU+Today+main+NEW+H+categories&utm_term=249236&subid=18584627&CMP=EMCNEWEML6619I2

"Prime minister surprises parliament and flies in face of calls from MPs and business groups for clarity"

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #1 on: October 24, 2017, 04:42:38 AM »
I agree that Brexit is idiocy.  The same sort of mindless lashing  out by voters that has landed the US with an utter moron as its president.

Nevertheless I suspect that the £ wont fall further.

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #2 on: October 24, 2017, 08:02:15 AM »
Yeah, sure is a 'fix something that ain't broke' scenario that's going to cost a bundle any way you look at it.  GBP squeezed by possible higher interest rates just so there's some headroom to try and recover after the deal/no deal breakup. Bad news for a couple years considering higher interest rates may not entice in the uncertain financial environment.  GBP parity with EUR is not far off at all.

Simply put, UK bit off a good bit more than can be masticated with the mouthful blame game just starting to spew.  EU would rather take a short-term hit than let exits seem simple for others.

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #3 on: October 24, 2017, 08:59:12 AM »
Idiots in Spain are trying for an even worse outcome.
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #4 on: October 24, 2017, 11:26:08 AM »
Well politicians always need a scapegoat when things haven't been going well. What better way to make people "come together" than to blame the EU for all our misfortunes in the UK.

I sense nationalism on the rise globally.
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #5 on: October 24, 2017, 12:27:43 PM »
Problem lies in the political system/government set up. The US got it off quite well with each state being able to be different to others but still comfortable be part of one whole. Bother the EU & Spain got it wrong by try to centilise too much power & be overbearing. Back in the ninties & early part of this century most in the UK were in favour of the EU, I was - we were a member of a European organisation for our collective good. That changed though in recent years with the admission of eastern bloc countries and a move by the EU for greater integration. They moved away from a membership organisation and towards an overbearing, controlling government force aimed at centilising power. This along with the economic & asylum crises showed that they would rule poorly and convinced those remaining undecided's in the UK that it is best we left the EU. My only concern is that we continue to proceed under the misbelief that the EU is superior and we must go to then for the scraps they throw to us. Seeing ourselves as an inferior underling of the EU is doing us no good, we should get to the Brexit way before the two years is up and get this decided and on our way.
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #6 on: October 24, 2017, 02:30:22 PM »
Idiots in Spain are trying for an even worse outcome.

Do you mean the Spanish idiots in Madrid or the idiots in Catalonia
who say we aren't in Spain, but sought confontation and found it?

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #7 on: October 24, 2017, 03:01:39 PM »
The same sort of mindless lashing  out by voters that has landed the US with an utter moron as its president.



The pendulum swung hard to the left when Obama was president. I'm not surprised it swung hard to the right this time. That is happening in Europe in many places.


Spain, Italy and other major and minor nations are seeing nationalism rise and people want to breakaway from governments they feel aren't properly representing them.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_active_separatist_movements_in_Europe


I don't think those in the UK should feel bad about Brexit. You can make your future better than the EU can. The way I see it, would it be better for America to join a union like a EU or remain independent? Certainly America is better off determining it's own future than to have a bunch of bureaucrats from other nations tell us what to do. UK can do the same, after all, you once were on top.
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #8 on: October 24, 2017, 03:09:21 PM »
I agree that Brexit is idiocy.  The same sort of mindless lashing  out by voters that has landed the US with an utter moron as its president.

Nevertheless I suspect that the £ wont fall further.

Well, it fell approx 0.3 Rouble v the GBP ((  Hardly earth shattering - but it WAS 121 for a day last year ))..Today back to 75




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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #9 on: October 24, 2017, 03:36:20 PM »
The same sort of mindless lashing  out by voters that has landed the US with an utter moron as its president.

LMAO! Trump had done more in a day than that useless hag you call your queen in a year.  :devil:
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #10 on: October 24, 2017, 03:38:42 PM »

The pendulum swung hard to the left when Obama was president. I'm not surprised it swung hard to the right this time. That is happening in Europe in many places.





Er, BillyB

1/ UK - elected a right of centre govt, with the anti-EU nationalists losing all their representation and the Scots nationalist ( s.left of centre ) losing out to the sl.right govt - but the sl. right govt losing out to the Socialists ..

2/ France - elected a centrist President and thrashing the nationalist candidate in the head to head - and said nationalist party got whooped in the following parliamentary elections

3/ Germany - the centre right party won a forth term

That neatly covers the 3 biggest nations in Europe and tells us that you need to read up more... Germany and France have VERY pro EU leaders...The UK has a 'leader' who sat on the fence re 'brexit' - just deciding 'remain' was better, but happy to do a volte-face to become a weak PM, call an election and lose her majority - needing a N.Ireland party who will never allow a 'hard Brexit' and a physical border with an EU nation - Rep Ireland - to remain in power

Spain, Italy and other major and minor nations are seeing nationalism rise and people want to breakaway from governments they feel aren't properly representing them.

No...  if nationalism was so 'strong' you wouldn't see separatist movements... Catalonia was autonomous and they peak another language.  It's more a case of when the economy isn't so hot - the places that feel they are supporting the regions get 'fed up'


I don't think those in the UK should feel bad about Brexit.

More bed-time reading for BillyB is clearly necessary...

'We' in the UK were sold 'Brexit' would see savings of £350 million a week... that was $542.5 million before Brexit looked like never winning ( Feb '16) and now it's $455 million - the Dollar is 'only' 20 percent stronger... the Euro and some other currencies are 30 - 50 percent stronger

Ooops, the pro-Brexit govt announced that uncertainty over Brexit meant we were 30£ million a week WORSE off, already - plus food costs have rocketed - due to the fact we import SO much

You can make your future better than the EU can.

'Sure' we can - we can negotiate far better trade deals as an island of 70 million rather than a trading block bigger than the USA :))

You sure are doing well, BillyB ...

The way I see it, would it be better for America to join a union like a EU or remain independent? Certainly America is better off determining it's own future than to have a bunch of bureaucrats from other nations tell us what to do. UK can do the same, after all, you once were on top.

'We' were falling from the top from the moment we lost the USA, Canada, South Africa.....  LONG before we joined the EEC, than became the EU.

What a good time to be a minnow as America has a nutter like the Russians as leader seeking to 'protect' home businesses - thus promoting inefficiency and most of us know such protectionism tends to create the conditions for wars...

Trade between nations is good - it creates inter-dependencies and partnerships

This is 101 stuff, why is it SO hard for some folks to grasp ?


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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #11 on: October 24, 2017, 03:42:22 PM »
LMAO! Trump had done more in a day than that useless hag you call your queen in a year.  :devil:

If you mean tweeting bollox, you might have a point !   He certainly has made America Grate

The Queen is head of state - but in a purely ceremonial sense.

Now if - by 'useless hag'  - you meant Theresa May, you'd have a point....   Called an election, to get a mandate and lost her overall majority ..  :ROFL:

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #12 on: October 24, 2017, 03:47:55 PM »
@Billy that was back in the days when we ran the whole of India with six men and a bicycle, and had a nice sideline going on your side of the Atlantic too, until they decided to dump our tea in cold water (something the US forces me to re-enact myself whenever I order a cup of tea there).

Things are different nowadays, and economic isolationism offers us  a poor future.

Obama was an impressive figurehead for the US and hugely improved your country's standing around the world.  Now you've sunk back below GW Bush levels.

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #13 on: October 24, 2017, 04:25:07 PM »
If you mean tweeting bollox, you might have a point !   He certainly has made America Grate

The Queen is head of state - but in a purely ceremonial sense.

Now if - by 'useless hag'  - you meant Theresa May, you'd have a point....   Called an election, to get a mandate and lost her overall majority ..  :ROFL:

Moby -- you are responding to a clown that still thinks the sun shines out of Trump's arse !



BTW -- if anyone was in doubt about Brexit -- reading Trenchcoat's support for it should tell everyone it is an idiotic idea !
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SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #14 on: October 24, 2017, 04:31:25 PM »
If you mean tweeting bollox, you might have a point !   He certainly has made America Grate

Yup. At election, Industrial Index was at 17K, ascended right after election and it closed at 23.4 today.

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The Queen(sic) is head of state - but in a purely ceremonial sense.

Purely *ceremonial* sense? WTF is that?!? Ceremonial sense. More like you guys had been getting knocked over your skulls for centuries you are no longer capable of distinguishing what 'sense' actually means.

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Now if - by 'useless hag'  - you meant Theresa May, you'd have a point....   Called an election, to get a mandate and lost her overall majority ..  :ROFL:

Normal day for the UK.
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2017, 04:35:19 PM »
Moby -- you are responding to a clown that still thinks the sun shines out of Trump's arse !

Speaking of Trump's arse, didn't he tele-bomb your PM as one of the first thing he's done, and he now has your PM brown-nosing him these days.

How'bout dem apples, eh?


Russian collusion - Dossier anyone?
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2017, 04:59:00 PM »
1/ UK - elected a right of centre govt, with the anti-EU nationalists losing all their representation and the Scots nationalist ( s.left of centre ) losing out to the sl.right govt - but the sl. right govt losing out to the Socialists ..

2/ France - elected a centrist President and thrashing the nationalist candidate in the head to head - and said nationalist party got whooped in the following parliamentary elections

3/ Germany - the centre right party won a forth term



Reading the news you want to hear but ignoring the rest. The majority voted for Brexit. That should tell you something about what is going on in your country. 1/8th of Germany's parliament is controlled by Neo Nazis and on the rise. The extreme far right came in second place in the French presidential election. You better wake up to reality. Things may get explosive in Europe again.


http://www.newsweek.com/extremism-europe-rise-fringe-angela-merkel-670657


The left in the UK shouldn't be crybabies, graciously accept the loss and give Brexit a chance. Instead of fighting Brexit every step of the way and blaming the right, how about doing your part to help UK come out of this situation the best way they can?



Trade between nations is good - it creates inter-dependencies and partnerships

This is 101 stuff, why is it SO hard for some folks to grasp ?



America is doing fine without having to join a body such as the EU to tell us what to do. You can create your own partnerships and trade Unions and live well. Your currency you're worried about falling depends on how much your citizens are willing to work and make it strong. Fighting amongst each other isn't helping.


@Billy that was back in the days when we ran the whole of India with six men and a bicycle, and had a nice sideline going on your side of the Atlantic too, until they decided to dump our tea in cold water (something the US forces me to re-enact myself whenever I order a cup of tea there).

Things are different nowadays, and economic isolationism offers us  a poor future.



Just decades ago the Pound was the World's currency, not the dollar. Two world wars hurt you more than colonies going independent.
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2017, 09:02:57 PM »
Well, Billy, as China moves up at least you know how things go.

Britain is actually trending left right now, not that it will do us any good. Even the apparently centre-right government is being forced into contemplating various left-wing things to do.

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #18 on: October 25, 2017, 01:30:06 AM »

Reading the news you want to hear but ignoring the rest. The majority voted for Brexit.

))) BillyB - like those voting for Trump - it told me that Politicians need to wake up - as the electorate are prepared to listen to nearly anybody....

Yes, the far right got more votes - a reaction to Merkel's sticking to EU rules re immigration crisis by ignorant people ... calling them 'right' insults those whose believe in enterprise - without an," I'm alright, Jack, sod you poor guy" attitude.

The left in the UK shouldn't be crybabies, graciously accept the loss

BillyB, I am not a socialist - I live in an area where the percentage of tertiary educated folk is higher and those folks voted remain  ...  That you might think Brexit was about left or right simply suggests you really DO need to read up..

Cameron led the right of centre - Thatcher's party  - and was pro Brexit ..... :deadhorse:

give Brexit a chance. Instead of fighting Brexit every step of the way and blaming the right, how about doing your part to help UK come out of this situation the best way they can?

BillyB, 'my' nation voted 51/ 49 to leave the EU - but the referendum didn't say how.

Whilst I blame the leaving for 'our' current instability - and don't think we should leave - YES, 'we' must - but now there is no agreement on how to leave...

1/ Leave the Single market - renegotiate trade terms with 'our' biggest market ? NO-one has done this in less than 10 years - 'we' had two ...  Without a deal - the system we be default WTO taxes and BOY 'we' aren't ready for those...

2/ How to deal with existing EU folks living here - but not - yet qualified for Perm residency and those still coming QUITE LEGALLY ... ?  ( Problem is - they ARE leaving and our Health System - particularly the elderly relied on them to the extend that " I voted Brexit, but not for my carer" is now an oft heard lament ...

3/ How to deal with the Brits living abroad, who might have to come back - if not meeting the 'standards' we set on EU citizens wanted by 'hard Brexiters'

4/ Best of all - How CAN you have a 'hard border' with an EU State - Eire ( Rep of Ireland )  When there is freedom of movement of goods and people - and has been for nearly 100 yrs and the UK govt would FALL if a N.Ireland party they rely on, to STAY in govt - pulls the plug ? 

You simply don't know WHAT you're talking about and it is SO clear ...(
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2017, 05:22:50 AM »
Problem lies in the political system/government set up. The US got it off quite well with each state being able to be different to others but still comfortable be part of one whole. Bother the EU & Spain got it wrong by try to centilise too much power & be overbearing. Back in the ninties & early part of this century most in the UK were in favour of the EU, I was - we were a member of a European organisation for our collective good. That changed though in recent years with the admission of eastern bloc countries and a move by the EU for greater integration. They moved away from a membership organisation and towards an overbearing, controlling government force aimed at centilising power. This along with the economic & asylum crises showed that they would rule poorly and convinced those remaining undecided's in the UK that it is best we left the EU. My only concern is that we continue to proceed under the misbelief that the EU is superior and we must go to then for the scraps they throw to us. Seeing ourselves as an inferior underling of the EU is doing us no good, we should get to the Brexit way before the two years is up and get this decided and on our way.

..and there's another example of a 'Brexit' voter who is clueless as to reality

1/ The UK had an opt-out and had no intention of sharing the load re the refugee crisis ...Cameron had promised 2oK Syrians from refugee camps just over the Syrian borders in third countries


2/ E.Europeans: Whatzamatter diddums - where they doing a better job for less ?  They are already being missed in the social care sector and will be in agriculture

3/ Ah so you are in the Farage, let's get on with it camp ..  :deadhorse:

Please explain to us how you will control immigration and impose duties/ taxes necessary  with your crash and burn plan and how the govt will stay in power if it tries to create a border with the Irelands ?

Yup, dating, politics and economy aren't our Trench's strong-suits...

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2017, 06:32:56 AM »
I live in an area where the percentage of tertiary educated folk is higher and those folks voted remain



Everybody who votes a certain way thinks the smart people voted with them too. Take a look at a map of Brexit votes. Those in Scotland really wanted to stay in the EU. I guess they are much smarter than you guys down south based on how you think who's the smartest.


That you might think Brexit was about left or right simply suggests you really DO need to read up..



Didn't you say immigration was a part of why Brexit happened? You're not going to convince me this was simply a vote of the smart people vs. the dumb people.



BillyB, 'my' nation voted 51/ 49 to leave the EU - but the referendum didn't say how.

Whilst I blame the leaving for 'our' current instability - and don't think we should leave - YES, 'we' must - but now there is no agreement on how to leave...



Leave means leave. Doesn't have to say how to leave. It's common sense that if you have to leave, you need to do it the best way possible but it seems the losers are fighting this every step of the way dragging on the misery and increasing the costs. It seems you guys are wanting the separation from the EU to fail so you can tell the other side "See, you're wrong!". Tell your politicians to deal with reality and make the transition go smooth for the benefit of the UK.


Well, Billy, as China moves up at least you know how things go.



I'm not worried about China. GDP close to America's but they need 4 times the people to accomplish that. Also nobody trusts them enough to prop up their currency as the worlds currency. They're economy is dependent on how much America buys. We go down, they go down.
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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #21 on: October 25, 2017, 07:11:24 AM »

Everybody who votes a certain way thinks the smart people voted with them too.

Except, BillyB - it is a fact - regions with higher numbers of tertiary-level educated folk voted to remain ...

Take a look at a map of Brexit votes. Those in Scotland really wanted to stay in the EU. I guess they are much smarter than you guys down south based on how you think who's the smartest.

Scotland used to have the best education system in the UK - hardly surprising they were 'wiser' ....  The reason the Scots wanted out of the UK was because they know the value of being in the EU and don't want the English taking 'em out


Didn't you say immigration was a part of why Brexit happened? You're not going to convince me this was simply a vote of the smart people vs. the dumb people.

Better off / less immigration - Yes that was the promise

1/ We are worse off - it was a lie

2/ Immigration went up - following the result - as those wishing to get in send the numbers rocketing

Good that you are asking questions, now

Leave means leave. Doesn't have to say how to leave. It's common sense that if you have to leave, you need to do it the best way possible but it seems the losers are fighting this every step of the way dragging on the misery and increasing the costs. It seems you guys are wanting the separation from the EU to fail so you can tell the other side "See, you're wrong!". Tell your politicians to deal with reality and make the transition go smooth for the benefit of the UK.

Once again, you are proving you  are clueless.

Leaving the EU  doesn't / didn't  mean the UK must leave

1/ The Single market - we were in THAT as the EEC - tax free zone.. for example Norway and Switzerland are not full EU members - but members of the EEA.

2/ Council of Europe - Russia, Turkey, Ukraine are even members of that

3/ European Court of Justice

..and many other bodies, incl defence, policing ..

Really, all you are doing is proving you ARE dumb on this subject






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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #22 on: October 25, 2017, 07:41:08 AM »
1/ We are worse off - it was a lie



Brexit isn't going to be fully implemented until 2019 at the earliest. And you call me dumb? After the changes are in place, wait a few years before calling the promises a lie. Be patient. What you also need to realize, the majority voters for Brexit felt the previous policies were a lie and harming the country.


2/ Immigration went up - following the result - as those wishing to get in send the numbers rocketing



Your current and previous laws pertaining to immigration allowed that to happen. Not the revised laws that will be soon created due to Brexit.


America has similar issues the UK has on immigration. I don't oppose immigration. I think it's good for the nation but if our governments don't do a better job choosing which immigrants get to get in, I have a problem with that. Many immigrants do not want to embrace our culture. They resent our cultures yet want all the benefits our culture provides them.


Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #23 on: October 25, 2017, 10:36:29 AM »

Brexit isn't going to be fully implemented until 2019 at the earliest. And you call me dumb?

Exactly - as the consequences are already taking place

1/ Financial service sector moving to Frankfurt / Ireland / Luxembourg

2/ Pound Sterling 20 - 50 percent weaker against Dollor, Euro, Rouble

3/ Huge hole in our govt revenues - due to 'Brexit uncertainty' - so more govt borrowing - credit rating dropped

4/ Now we have inflation and 84% chance of interest rate rises..

Sure - only a DUMB person could say this is 'good news' ..


After the changes are in place, wait a few years before calling the promises a lie. Be patient. What you also need to realize, the majority voters for Brexit felt the previous policies were a lie and harming the country.

Ah, so 'we' should 'ignore' the above....? !

Your current and previous laws pertaining to immigration allowed that to happen. Not the revised laws that will be soon created due to Brexit.


Another 'BillyB' DUMB comment - you don't even know anything about UK immigration laws - other than what Google might teach you.

We have two immigration routes:

a/ EU - still currently open to those who aren't terrorists

b/ Non-EU - v.harsh terms and conditions set - to the extent our Universities are screaming overseas Student numbers are discouraged



America has similar issues the UK has on immigration.

NO - it doesn't

The DUMB comments just don't stop .. WE are an island and it is v.hard to get in - illegally - to claim asylum. It was perfectly legal immigration a tiny maj of folks voted to stop




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Re: 'Brexit' - the stupidity continues
« Reply #24 on: October 25, 2017, 01:39:57 PM »
What's dumb is that you think the sky is falling and think you need the EU to hold your hand to survive. So what if your currency drops in
Value due to  initial fear. If your citizens work hard for your economy to perform, the Currency will end up where it should be.

UK citizens spoke and they wanted the EU to make some changes and the EU did not listen and took their chances. If they had made some changes to change the minds of just 2% of the voters there would be no Brexit.  The EU may not even survive. What are you going to do when they won't be around to rescue the UK?  Cry again and call people dumb?
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

 

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