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Title: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 09, 2018, 04:44:27 PM
Hi All,

I wanted to know your thoughts on online dating multiple women. Firstly, I am using online dating to find the right woman for me for marriage.

I use EM. I get to know a few girls. Now, I begin to exchange emails and have Skype calls. And let's say, there are 2 or 3 girls with whom I feel connected and I feel that they could be marriage material. However, as you know, only meeting in real life will confirm everything.

Now, once you make your intentions clear to them that you will come there and meet them after you feel confident that you like them. They would now expect daily conversations. Going and meeting them in real life would take at least a month because of visa and travel arrangements.

So, do you do the same as well? Do you talk to multiple women through these dating/marriage sites before you actually meet them in real life?

On one hand, I feel that unless you have met anyone in real life and actually got intimate in real life, it should be okay to continue dating others.

On the other hand, I feel that each woman I am talking to would expect me not to be talking to other women at the same time. In fact one of the girls during conversation was even telling me that she is a jealous person and she should be the only woman for her man. I know that this would apply only once I am in a relationship with her.

Even in the past, while talking to few FSU women, I have observed that they expect exclusivity even during the online dating phase.

Since I am a loyal person, I can understand the need for exclusivity. However, I also want to be careful at the same time because I will be traveling all the way to another country to meet a woman. If it works out in real life, then all good. But if not, then I would have to return and start my search all over again. But if I was talking to multiple girls, then I could just come back and resume conversations with others.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: DaveNY on June 09, 2018, 06:53:34 PM

Even in the past, while talking to few FSU women, I have observed that they expect exclusivity even during the online dating phase.


Surfer you can bet that any woman you're talking to on EM, even if you've been doing it daily for a month, is dating locally. Doesn't matter if it's Moscow, Kiev or Minsk. There are no shortage of men to chase a 20 something FSUW.

If a woman on EM says she's not dating locally after talking to you for a month and you've never met her she's lying. Big red flag. Move on.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: ML on June 09, 2018, 08:27:06 PM
All women (and men) would hope that the person they are trying to get to know and meet is not, at the same time, doing the same with other persons.

Then it can be broken down to (1) those who are realistic about it, and will not terminate the budding relationship over the issue, and (2) those who are living in dream world without any consideration for the tremendous risk the other party faces in doing a one-off on the other side of the world.

Generally speaking, the older the person, the more realistic and understanding they are about this issue.

I had very little trouble doing WMVM several times in several different cities.
I encountered very few women who pressed the issue and stated flatly that they would never meet if I were also meeting other women.
But, I never talked about other women to any of them whether in electronic or face to face conversations.

There is also another issue aside from how the women would accept such a beginning.
That is . . . can the man actually plan and carry out a visit to meet many women.
Not many men can do it.

Those who can't . . . will put forth 'Holier than thou' wording why WMVM should not be done.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 09, 2018, 08:46:22 PM
All women (and men) would hope that the person they are trying to get to know and meet is not, at the same time, doing the same with other persons.

Then it can be broken down to (1) those who are realistic about it, and will not terminate the budding relationship over the issue, and (2) those who are living in dream world without any consideration for the tremendous risk the other party faces in doing a one-off on the other side of the world.

Generally speaking, the older the person, the more realistic and understanding they are about this issue.

I had very little trouble doing WMVM several times in several different cities.
I encountered very few women who pressed the issue and stated flatly that they would never meet if I were also meeting other women.
But, I never talked about other women to any of them whether in electronic or face to face conversations.

There is also another issue aside from how the women would accept such a beginning.
That is . . . can the man actually plan and carry out a visit to meet many women.
Not many men can do it.

Those who can't . . . will put forth 'Holier than thou' wording why WMVM should not be done.

Sighs, ( the flip side)

This old git has consistently pointed out that he readily admits to sensory overload having tried WMVM trips..  It is impossible to meet so many ladies in a short time and be objective.

If a lady exclude you because it appears you might be a player - she's probably right ! 



Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: BillyB on June 09, 2018, 08:54:24 PM
Do you talk to multiple women through these dating/marriage sites before you actually meet them in real life?


I sent out over introductory letters/messages to over 10,000 women. I knew I was going to find a high quality woman who was thrilled to find me. If I wrote and focused on one woman at a time, I would be like most men who entered this endeavor and that is not successful. If I had to do this over, I'd be 100% successful finding a woman that is going to blow people's minds.

Since I am a loyal person, I can understand the need for exclusivity.


When communicating with women, being loyal too early is a sign of being desperate or mentally unstable. I've had women tell me if I'm going to communicate with them, I better only communicate with them although we've never met or made an agreement to be exclusive. I ask those women if they are ready to get married and devote their life to me right now without ever having met. They say "no". Of course they like to keep their options open and saying yes would mean they're crazy. You being loyal to someone you never met is crazy. Don't do crazy.

If a lady exclude you because it appears you might be a player - she's probably right ! 


I've dated a lot of women. When I broke up with them, some accused me of being a player. Doesn't mean it's true and doesn't hurt my feelings. They couldn't accept the fact we weren't meant for each other. I can only marry one woman but men need to date a lot before finding that one woman.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 09, 2018, 09:01:44 PM
Surfer in the UK on Match or POF if the guy asked the girl for exclusivity whilst just at the messaging stage do you think it would work? Lol very unlikely, they know they have the monopoly and would be damned if they would give it up. These women are essentially asking you to give up your monopoly on a country where the man has the monopoly so it works in their favour not yours.

Unless you are real slack in what you say they won't have a clue that you are messaging other women. Now I don't know what your day is like but if you have work to do or errands to run even without much of a social life 2-3 girls messaging a lot will push you, probably about the limit I would say unless you don't need to go to work that is. Sometimes even keeping up messaging 1 is an ask. That's the one of the ways she might catch on if there is a lag between messages particularly if it happens often. A lag of a day or two is fine, more than that and she'll start to winder why I think. A lag of a week and odds are she'll take it ax she's not high up your pecking order and she'll most likely communicate with a guy that is.

That's why what you are doing is most likely to end up a visit one unless you don't need to work as you'll end up prioritzing the one girl, the one that comes across as best to you. That's how it happened with me. Of course you can go and they can be nothing on meeting, it's pot luck so essentially still a blind date.

What I've learnt from my experiences is that don't be too suckered in my this whole you must only chase one girl nonsense. A visit one is fine to start off on though to ease you into it, but being prepared with back ups and arranging your visit so you can blow the girl off I think is the more expedient way to go after your first visit one. Sticking with the same girl on the first trip is not bad even if there is no chemistry if she is friendly enough. She'll be able to aclimatise you to the FSU scene ease the culture shock and act as a cheap tour guide ;D

I think at Dave said a 20 something girl will dare locally or at least be up for it unless she is real geeky or ugly or something. They know the dating market is not in their favour so they are not going to be wasting time pinning their hopes to some guy online, the more time that passes for them the less likely they will be married off & the greater the risk they will be stuck on the shelf. By the age of 25 most girls want to be married there or it is not looking good for her. By the time they are 30 then at that that age they may not be dating anyone locally. The first girl I met out there was around 30, I got the impression she did activities like rock climbing, yoga, etc anything she could to meet people but stuff at which she could take enjoyment whole doin it so if there was nobody for her she at least enjoyed herself.

Kyn did it quite a good way on doing a series of visit ones together, but even there the ones he spent less time on seem to have been a mistake for him. So in the end it was the girl he spent most time on and interested him the most where it all happened for him. So doing due diligence and getting to know girls well is difficult online with more than one girl I would say. As far as her wanting to restrict you I say b*llocks to it, if you turn up and there is no chemistry and it is easy for them to ditch you they will feel no obligation to you, lol, that will all go out the window straight away as far as she is concerned.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Boethius on June 09, 2018, 09:04:48 PM
Surfer, FSUW will almost always know if you are in contact with other women.  So if that is your preferred method, that's fine, just don't lie about it.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 09, 2018, 09:07:09 PM
they know they have the monopoly and would be damned if they would give it up. These women are essentially asking you to give up your monopoly on a country where the man has the monopoly so it works in their favour not yours.

Can you please explain this 'monopoly theory'  ( in either the UK or FSU ) ?

You're BSing - AGAIN

Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Boethius on June 09, 2018, 09:08:57 PM
It's not so much BS'g as (a) cluelessness; and (b) ingrained misogyny.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 09, 2018, 09:10:46 PM
Sighs, ( the flip side)

This old git has consistently pointed out that he readily admits to sensory overload having tried WMVM trips..  It is impossible to meet so many ladies in a short time and be objective.

If a lady exclude you because it appears you might be a player - she's probably right !

...and right on cue, you were saying about the 'holier than thou' ML lol :D
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 09, 2018, 09:14:49 PM
...and right on cue, you were saying about the 'holier than thou' ML lol :D

I bow to your considerable 'expertise' on these matters ...
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 09, 2018, 10:49:14 PM
Surfer, I think you are a bit like me when I started out in this venture. It takes a little while to get your head around it all. Asking lots of questions on here I found helped a lot. Unfortunately I find English women often make us guys very impoverished in terms of knowing much about dating at all, never mind FSU dating, they really are atrocious. The FSU dating scene really is a ray of hope :)
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 10, 2018, 02:21:37 AM
Surfer, I think you are a bit like me when I started out in this venture. It takes a little while to get your head around it all. Asking lots of questions on here I found helped a lot. Unfortunately I find English women often make us guys very impoverished in terms of knowing much about dating at all, never mind FSU dating, they really are atrocious. The FSU dating scene really is a ray of hope :)

Surfer, PLE_ease don't pay any attention to our Trench - other than do the opposite of what he says ! 

As we see on here - one eth FSU lady had already 'spotted his qualities' ;)

Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: CaptB on June 10, 2018, 02:43:57 AM
Got to agree with ML & Boethius on this issue. Of course my experiences were over 15+ years ago.....prior to widespread use of Skype (and newer derivatives). Back then.....as now......I believe guys wait too long to make a visit to the FSU. My first experience was with an agency. I sent 16 letters (you remember letters? Made from paper and a stamp?) Took about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks to get to Tver, Russia. I did this about 8 weeks before leaving on my first trip. Enough time to get replies from 14 out of the 16 RW that I wrote to. Back then Lifetime Partners would send you videos each month as part of your membership. My friend an I would watch the videos.....and I would match them up with the reply letters I received from the 14 RW. I believe when I told them that I was coming in 8 weeks to visit their city.......in my initial letter of contact.....I believe that put at the top of ......."their" list. Not a keyboard romeo stringing them along for 6, 12, 18+ months.......and then not even visit. Because this was "agency".......the RW knew the score.........that most guys were meeting several women. The guys (who were realistic) also knew that most of the women were either dating locally and or multiple foreign guys. You can probably learn more in a day or two of actual face-to-face time.......then long periods of e-mail writing or Skype.


I was lucky. My wife taught English for over a dozen years before we met. We had daily phone conversations for 1/2 to 1 hour .....or so. In my case I felt visiting many RW ........with the luxury of a neutral meeting place (the agency) was a real advantage. Then if I hit it off with an RW.......we could schedule another date. I think the agency situation really worked for many of the RW....also. They got to meet many guys......increasing their odds of finding a suitable match.


"Can a man actually plan and carry out a visit to meet many women. Not many men can do it."  ML


In todays climate (not using an agency)......it is more difficult. But if you keep initial communication time short.......and no one gets too attached (before meeting face-to-face)
I believe it can be done.


Capt B
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 10, 2018, 02:52:10 AM


In todays climate (not using an agency)......it is more difficult. But if you keep initial communication time short.......and no one gets too attached (before meeting face-to-face)
I believe it can be done.



It CAN be done, but what's the point ? That makes one's trip closer to series of blind dates

Naturally, I realise there is no 'right' way - just what's been 'right for you' - but I think lots of guys kid themselves that they can rationalise after meeting so many potential partners - so close together.   

I prefered to use video chat aids to whittle down those who one might want to see, and choose the lass - not the location. If done with the right attitude from both parties - if it doesn't work out - it doesn't preclude a plan B ... You're just less likely to NEED one.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: civi68 on June 10, 2018, 06:09:14 AM
Everyone gave good advice. Just don't discuss too much and go into a lot of detail about other women. Say something like you receive other letters but nothing serious. If some break it off because of that, move on to the next. Now, once you meet them in person and both of you want to pursue a relationship, all bets are off. Women have concern that the men won't actually meet them after months of writing. Due to distances between women, what ends up happening is guys tell the girl he can't meet them because he had to choose where to go for his favorite one.
    A few years ago, I met several women in Moscow from an online site. One didn't like me meeting other women and broke it off. I met the others. I was glad I didn't just meet one because if I only met one, one ended up being married and one was crazy. Imagine if I didn't have any other choices? It would have been a wasted 4 weeks.

    What I do is stick to a particular country at any one time of writing letters so there is a reasonable chance that I may meet some of these women. You may also find that some women you felt good about drop off for whatever reason. Video chatting is also important and if I will travel to a particular city just to meet a woman, there needs to be something more than letter writing.
     I started this adventure back in the 90's with the socials/agencies and limited internet. Back then, it was endless first dates with your head spinning and some women not that interested but willing to show up for a meal or something to do. Emails and video chats are a great way to avoid wasting a lot of time in country with women who end up not that interested in you or you in them. At least a woman that sends you messages and video talks is devoting some time to this venture.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 10, 2018, 07:34:27 AM

    A few years ago, I met several women in Moscow from an online site. One didn't like me meeting other women and broke it off. I met the others. I was glad I didn't just meet one because if I only met one, one ended up being married and one was crazy. Imagine if I didn't have any other choices? It would have been a wasted 4 weeks.

As Beel found.. ending up in a city and finding your date / dates don't pan out can lead to finding Mrs Right ...!

     I started this adventure back in the 90's ...

and are STILL looking - yet refer to 'success' in previous posts ? ;)
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: 2tallbill on June 10, 2018, 12:52:09 PM
I had very little trouble doing WMVM several times in several different cities.
I encountered very few women who pressed the issue and stated flatly that they would never meet if I were also meeting other women.
But, I never talked about other women to any of them whether in electronic or face to face conversations.

If you had spent 3-6 months writing/Skyping with these women daily then
you would have had problems. While your WMVM tactics are different than
mine you would have never written that many letters to women that you've
never met.

The guys who write for months and months with multiple women with the
intention of meeting all of them in my opinion are doing it wrong.

Guys who want to learn My theories and ML's theories spelled out in detail
should go to this thread and read them.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: 2tallbill on June 10, 2018, 01:20:10 PM
So, do you do the same as well? Do you talk to multiple women through these dating/marriage sites before you actually meet them in real life?

I've written to thousands and thousands of girls. Yes, even the visit one types
will advocate writing to many women, then sift through the girls that answer
and distill the list down to one person, then meet her. That's the visit one
strategy. It's the high risk/high reward strategy. If you decide to use this
strategy you need to have a backup plan.

If you want to want to write many women and visit all of them you will
find that the girls that you like the best are scattered all over the place.
It's very difficult to meet one girl in Tomsk, another in Dnepropetrovsk
and a third in Almaty. I don't know if I could figure it out and I've been
to the FSU many times.

If you are going to meet one girl do it as described above with a backup
plan.

If you are going to meet several girls, then you pick a place, not a girl.
ten days before you are going to visit that place, write a hundred girls
who you like the looks of and ask them to meet you for tea. You exchange
as few letters as possible and set up a time to meet them in person.

read about how to get started here
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: BillyB on June 10, 2018, 02:23:26 PM
My first experience was with an agency. I sent 16 letters (you remember letters? Made from paper and a stamp?) Took about 2 1/2 to 3 weeks to get to Tver, Russia.



I actually sent out a few snail mail letters myself. I can't remember where or how I got the addresses but one teacher in Ukraine sent a snail mail letter back to me. She didn't leave her number or email and communications with ladies on the internet were happening fast so there was no chance to get to know her fast enough for me to make a decision to visit her over the other girls who's using email. Moral of the story is those who are able to get things done faster have a better chance for success over those who move at a snail's pace.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 10, 2018, 02:29:31 PM
I've written to thousands and thousands of girls. Yes, even the visit one types
will advocate writing to many women, then sift through the girls that answer
and distill the list down to one person, then meet her. That's the visit one
strategy. It's the high risk/high reward strategy. If you decide to use this
strategy you need to have a backup plan.

No, No, No ! ;)

MY experience is that WMVM is the high risk / high stress strategy ... this is supposed to be FUN .. not walking a tight rope..

With the advent of video chat for most of us - the risk is virtually eliminated

I did not have a 'plan B' - never even dreamt of it
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Trenchcoat on June 10, 2018, 11:20:57 PM
I think Bill means the high risk being you get there and find out there's no chemistry. If your happy to make another friend to spend some time with that's fine but it's earing up a lot of time that could be spent finding someone there is chemistry with.

The high reward I believe is if there is chemistry then a lot of the initial getting to know each other has been done so that hurdle is out the way.

I much admire Bill's strategy of lining up a visit one then ditching her as soon as it became apparent that she was not the girl for him/nothing there. Then call up other girls on the hoof to make a go of the journey. It has an efficient ruthlessness to it but one that I can now see would work in the FSU as it's a bit like their whole direct way about doing things. I'm no employing that strategy this time out and I'll explain why shortly in my trip report ;)
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 11, 2018, 12:40:50 AM
I think Bill means the high risk being you get there and find out there's no chemistry.

..my point being I've not encountered this - given who I visited - we felt we knew each other - and so it proved !


The high reward I believe is if there is chemistry then a lot of the initial getting to know each other has been done so that hurdle is out the way.

Quite... if you trust your instincts - there isn't a risk...


I much admire Bill's strategy of lining up a visit one then ditching her as soon as it became apparent that she was not the girl for him/nothing there. Then call up other girls on the hoof to make a go of the journey. It has an efficient ruthlessness to it but one that I can now see would work in the FSU as it's a bit like their whole direct way about doing things. I'm no employing that strategy this time out and I'll explain why shortly in my trip report ;)

Whilst I have every respect for Beel - I wouldn't describe it as 'ruthless' ...  WHAT is the point of hanging around with someone with whom you have no future on a time limited trip ?

I should point out I know of long-standing marriages 10 years and counting - when a RU lady met an Aussie chap and didn't fancy him, but resolved to be polite - as he had come such a long way... ( Siberia )   By the end of 10 days - she was heart-broken to be parted from him and the rest is history.

Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 02:28:00 AM
Thanks everyone for sharing your thoughts, it is really helpful for me. Appreciate it.

I agree with @msmob. Video chats can help to decide if I'll connect with a girl or not in real life. It also helps to understand not only my interest in the woman but also her interest in me. Which is important too. So, with sufficient time, I think it's possible to find the right woman and visit to meet only her. This helps in making a better decision rather than meeting several for only a few days and then making a quick decision.

I also like the other strategy to start writing several girls a month before the trip. Then identify around 2 or 3 with whom I feel things can work out in real life. And then meet them. I actually should have done this before.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 02:50:09 AM
I wanted to share some more details which I initially did not.

If we are talking about girls on EM, I agree that these girls would understand that I'm talking to multiple at the same time. Also, I prefer to use the approach of having sufficient video calls to decide which girl is suitable for me. Then go and meet only her.

However, there is one more detail. I have known a girl (age: will be 28 years soon) for around 5 months through VK. She is from Donetsk. Until April, this year, she was living in Donetsk which made it not possible for us to meet. Also, we started communicating as friends and I told her that I like her more than as a friend somewhere around 4 months ago. Initially, she said we are just friends but within a month's time she began to get closer and then expressed interest as well. She however believes that two people should know each other well before getting into any relation. So, when I suggested her to meet, she asked for some time because she was moving from Donetsk to another city. Now that she is in the new city, she wanted to know if I'm still interested to meet.

She had been searching for a new job. The new job schedule for her is quite hectic and she says she would not get sufficient time to spend with me even if I were to come. She herself told me recently that she is trying to sort out her schedule and then she would discuss with me further.

Now, here's the thing. I was not sure when and how soon I will meet her. I haven't met her in real life and she herself said that final decisions are made in real life. She explicitly mentioned to me that she is not getting into relation with any other man at this point because she is interested in me and waiting for our meeting. A couple of times she even mentioned and showed me examples of men from her office who would send her flowers to propose her. However, she would not allow them near her because she said she's interested in me. She did this whenever I questioned her if she was serious enough to meet or not. She shows a lot of interest in me and whenever I ask her to have a call with me, she is ready for it.

The only problem is, this has been going on for a couple of months now.

Recently I thought of writing to more girls on EM and found a few who I think were marriage material. The thing I like about meetings girls through sites like EM is that the intentions are clear. I am there to find a woman for marriage and even the other woman is searching for someone for marriage. So, things move faster and not a lot of time is spent on romancing or talking over Internet.

I found one woman (age: 29 years) through EM who seems sweet and stable. She also appears quite interested in me and already asked me if I am planning to come to Moscow anytime soon.

Now, I'm confused. Because the Donetsk girl messages me daily, her messages are quite intimate. I sometimes feel a bit guilty that I am talking to Donetsk girl and the other woman from EM at the same time.

The Donetsk girl prefers to take things slow and her reasoning is that a lot of people quickly get into relationships and then marry, later on they divorce. She has had a difficult childhood where her father left her mother when she was just 4 years old. After seeing so many divorces around her, she wants to take things slowly so that she knows the other person well.

I just want to be careful because I have not yet met the Donetsk girl in real life although we have had like 100s of video call conversations, daily messaging and a lot of intimate messages exchanged.

And on the other hand, the sweet and stable girl I have known through EM, I feel like she is a good marriage material.

That's why I am confused.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 11, 2018, 03:15:29 AM
It is no brainer ..'Donetsk girl' is sending you images to rev you up - but wants to proceed slowly ? ...Hmm .. MASSIVE red flag

Don't let the little brain control you
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Boethius on June 11, 2018, 03:51:12 AM
I think you should go see the Moscow woman. Until then, communicate with whoever you wish.  Obviously if you decide to commit to one woman, you will cease communication with others. Just don’t lie.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 04:49:05 AM
It is no brainer ..'Donetsk girl' is sending you images to rev you up - but wants to proceed slowly ? ...Hmm .. MASSIVE red flag

Don't let the little brain control you

I understand what you mean and I know that it will seem this way from the description as well. Firstly, she sent that image only 2 times. And both the times, she did this only in response to me questioning her intentions and whether she was serious or not.

In fact, she increased closeness to me after moving from Donetsk to another city. And very recently, she herself brought up the thing about meeting and said she is sorting out her schedule so that we can discuss about the meeting.

That's why I was going to tell her that we have known each other for quite a while, sufficient time to get to know each other and now the meeting must happen in real life if she wants it too. She has to sort out her schedule and then I can plan. Just wanted her to understand that it's not reasonable for her to expect me to keep waiting for her.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 04:52:52 AM
I think you should go see the Moscow woman. Until then, communicate with whoever you wish.  Obviously if you decide to commit to one woman, you will cease communication with others. Just don’t lie.

I agree with you. I have just started communicating with the Moscow woman. If it goes well with her, then I will visit soon. The visa process itself will take around a month. So, I am planning to book the visa anyway. Meanwhile can get to know her better.

And indeed, once I commit to a woman, I will cease communication with others. It's just that I wanted the Donetsk girl to understand that there's no such thing as commitment online. Which she herself agrees. So, if she really feels there could be a committed relation, she has to meet in real life.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: jone on June 11, 2018, 08:05:39 AM
All of these 'intimate' video calls and messages are just foreplay.  Nothing is real until the meet.  If she can't schedule a time together, then she is just feeding her ego.  Meet the gal in Moscow and any other gal.  There's no such thing as exclusivity until you hold someone in your arms and kiss her and see if she is the one.

As for other guys trying to get her attention, her telling you that is very immature.  Either you are a couple or you're not.  And without the meet .... you're not.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: BillyB on June 11, 2018, 08:16:13 AM
Just wanted her to understand that it's not reasonable for her to expect me to keep waiting for her.

So the Donetsk girl told you she's moving and busy with work and won't have much time for you if you visited but at the same time she's telling you you're her man and she's forsaking all others?

What is crazy is you dedicating your life to someone you never met. If she has the hots for you, she'd want you to come right away.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 08:49:42 AM
All of these 'intimate' video calls and messages are just foreplay.  Nothing is real until the meet.  If she can't schedule a time together, then she is just feeding her ego.  Meet the gal in Moscow and any other gal.  There's no such thing as exclusivity until you hold someone in your arms and kiss her and see if she is the one.

As for other guys trying to get her attention, her telling you that is very immature.  Either you are a couple or you're not.  And without the meet .... you're not.

Thanks @jone. I agree with you. If she was going to get as intimate as that in real life, she has my complete attention. At this point, it's just something in initial phase and she has to agree to meet in real life.

I hope it goes well with the Moscow girl and then I'll plan to meet her.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 08:55:15 AM
So the Donetsk girl told you she's moving and busy with work and won't have much time for you if you visited but at the same time she's telling you you're her man and she's forsaking all others?

What is crazy is you dedicating your life to someone you never met. If she has the hots for you, she'd want you to come right away.

Yeah, she seems to be very cautious with every step she takes towards a relation. She mentioned a couple of times that her mother asks about me and how are things going.

The Donetsk girl said that she has never met anyone through Internet before in her life and this is the first time.

I'll take your advises and schedule to meet the ones who are willing to meet while continue talking to ones a little bit who want some more time.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: jone on June 11, 2018, 08:58:07 AM
Yeah, she seems to be very cautious with every step she takes towards a relation. She mentioned a couple of times that her mother asks about me and how are things going.

The Donetsk girl said that she has never met anyone through Internet before in her life and this is the first time.

I'll take your advises and schedule to meet the ones who are willing to meet while continue talking to ones a little bit who want some more time.

One more thing:  If you go to meet Moscow Girl, let her know that the reason you are going to Moscow is to meet her.  Not for any other reason.  A woman needs to know that you think it important enough to get on an airplane and sacrifice your time and resources to MEET HER.  This is very important in a budding relationship.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 09:08:07 AM
One more thing:  If you go to meet Moscow Girl, let her know that the reason you are going to Moscow is to meet her.  Not for any other reason.  A woman needs to know that you think it important enough to get on an airplane and sacrifice your time and resources to MEET HER.  This is very important in a budding relationship.

I absolutely agree with you and thanks for the suggestion. When I plan to tell her about the meeting, I will definitely let her know that I am coming there to "meet her".

By the way, during the second email itself she asked me: "Are you planning to visit Moscow?"

Since I had just started communicating with her at that point, I kept my response simple: "I will absolutely get on a plane and visit Moscow to meet if there is a mutual like."

Let's see how it goes.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: jone on June 11, 2018, 10:17:53 AM
Yeah, she seems to be very cautious with every step she takes towards a relation. She mentioned a couple of times that her mother asks about me and how are things going.

The Donetsk girl said that she has never met anyone through Internet before in her life and this is the first time.

I'll take your advises and schedule to meet the ones who are willing to meet while continue talking to ones a little bit who want some more time.

The more you talk about this woman, the less I am convinced that she is a woman to get involved with.  Most women that I have met in the FSU are very practical and level headed.  This one seems like a feather head.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 11:51:46 AM
The more you talk about this woman, the less I am convinced that she is a woman to get involved with.  Most women that I have met in the FSU are very practical and level headed.  This one seems like a feather head.

I know what you mean. She does indeed act a bit immature although she has a good understanding of emotions and relations. I wouldn't say that I gel with this girl the best. She has her own plus and minus. She is really into me though.

Anyway, today, I spoke to her once again and she said, within a week or two, she will understand her work schedule better and will let me know on her own as discussed. She asked me my comfortable timing and I said August/September. She immediately said August. I'm going to explore meanwhile and see how it goes.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: jone on June 11, 2018, 12:12:18 PM
I know what you mean. She does indeed act a bit immature although she has a good understanding of emotions and relations. I wouldn't say that I gel with this girl the best. She has her own plus and minus. She is really into me though.

Anyway, today, I spoke to her once again and she said, within a week or two, she will understand her work schedule better and will let me know on her own as discussed. She asked me my comfortable timing and I said August/September. She immediately said August. I'm going to explore meanwhile and see how it goes.

For those who aren't familiar with the Eastern European mindset, mid to late August is considered national vacation time.  More so than any other time of the year, it is difficult to do any business transactions.  If you can find a lady to take a week away with you at this time of the year, you have earned a dear place in her heart.  Either that or she desperately wants to get away and has no other options.  This is time time of year that families meet up.  That destination vacations are planned.  And that all Eastern Europeans look forward to all year.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 11, 2018, 12:47:21 PM
For those who aren't familiar with the Eastern European mindset, mid to late August is considered national vacation time.  More so than any other time of the year, it is difficult to do any business transactions.  If you can find a lady to take a week away with you at this time of the year, you have earned a dear place in her heart.  Either that or she desperately wants to get away and has no other options.  This is time time of year that families meet up.  That destination vacations are planned.  And that all Eastern Europeans look forward to all year.

Thanks for sharing the details. As I told you earlier, I certainly felt that this girl is really into me. She was just being cautious with starting a new relation. However, she and I have a common understanding now that only a real meeting can confirm.

Meanwhile, I am planning to meet other women who I feel are marriage material in Russia. So, I have approximately 1 month time in hand before I plan anything with the Donetsk girl.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Nightwish on June 11, 2018, 01:13:13 PM
Thanks for sharing the details. As I told you earlier, I certainly felt that this girl is really into me. She was just being cautious with starting a new relation. However, she and I have a common understanding now that only a real meeting can confirm.

Meanwhile, I am planning to meet other women who I feel are marriage material in Russia. So, I have approximately 1 month time in hand before I plan anything with the Donetsk girl.

Go online, buy a return ticket for a weekend in Ukraine, now you don't mention in what city she resides, but my guess is Kyiv(?), let her know you are coming there for a couple of days, and even if she has a busy schedule and can't take time off work, she will still be able to see you if she is really in to you.  If all you get is excuses - dead drop like a hot potato and move on.

Here is a good estimate about the cost I made for another English dude..
Quote
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22008.msg482085#msg482085
Now lets see what a trip would cost you today.
Ukraine Airlines from Gatwick
Thu, 14 Jun
LGW - KBP
Sun, 17 Jun
KBP - LGW
TOTAL PRICE £190 - $ 264.58

Premier Hotel Rus 3 star hotel
3 nights with breakfast
TOTAL PRICE £136 - $ 188

3 lunch + 3 dinner + the odd coffee or tea, taxi etc...  £ 300 - $ 380
Meal for 2 People, Mid-range Restaurant, Three-course   500-1000 UAH £ 14-28 / $20-40

So you see I counted a little on the high side even with £ 300 but for the sake of argument say you spend that amount.

Total £ 650-700  or  $890-950

You have 3 whole days in Ukraine and it that time you can at least ring up 3-6 dates, or focus on one or two.
If that don't work out, there is "a gazillion" other ladies in Kyiv just waiting to go out with a handsome serious man.. and who knows...
I wrote a little about one of my 'cold' approaches here.. worked like a charm for me ;)
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22008.msg483561#msg483561
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: jone on June 11, 2018, 01:56:56 PM
Shee-it!

If I lived in the UK, I'd hop on the plane on a moment's notice to find out if a woman was the one.  A long weekend from London is perfectly acceptable.  And if the woman doesn't want to meet with you for a weekend event, go on to the next one.  But based on what is written here, my guess is that she is not the one, anyway.

Three hundred bucks for a weekend of dating is No-thing!  I spend that much on a dinner with a woman.  Well, a dinner and what comes afterwards.....

Sometimes its is important to find out what the little head has to say.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Nightwish on June 11, 2018, 02:06:57 PM
Shee-it!

If I lived in the UK, I'd hop on the plane on a moment's notice to find out if a woman was the one.  A long weekend from London is perfectly acceptable.  And if the woman doesn't want to meet with you for a weekend event, go on to the next one.  But based on what is written here, my guess is that she is not the one, anyway.

Three hundred bucks for a weekend of dating is No-thing!  I spend that much on a dinner with a woman.  Well, a dinner and what comes afterwards.....

Sometimes its is important to find out what the little head has to say.

you mean the $200 you left on the nightstand when you snuck out while she slept ?  :cheesy:
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: jone on June 11, 2018, 02:19:47 PM
you mean the $200 you left on the nightstand when you snuck out while she slept ?  :cheesy:

That, my friend, is how much you would leave. 

The women I hang out with are much less expensive.  Two hundred dollars left for one of them and they would think they broke the bank.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Nightwish on June 11, 2018, 02:34:01 PM
That, my friend, is how much you would leave. 

The women I hang out with are much less expensive.  Two hundred dollars left for one of them and they would think they broke the bank.
:ROFL:

Well I can only count my blessings I lived this close that I do, so many trips where taken at the spur of the moment, as I said before, the shortest I talked to someone online before deciding to go meet her was 2 days, started talking to her on Wednesday evening, went to Ukraine Friday evening, spent those two days more or less talking endlessly around the clock, and that short encounter ended up in a 3-4 month long relationship.
After which time she realized what it really meant leaving Ukraine, work, friends, family, relatives.. and got cold feet. So we parted on good terms, and I got back in the game after a short cool down period.
so it CAN happen, but of course not every time.

What many here failed to mention, or maybe never encountered is that it's when a relationship starts to get serious and the woman in this case start thinking about really leaving her homeland, that is when the doubts and fears starts to come, many think they are ready to leave going in to this, but when faces with the fact.. it is a little harder to just pick up and leave.

Can also have a contributing factor that most women I have met have been single moms, with a child  ~10-15 year old.. it is not only her own life to think about, but also the life of her child.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 11, 2018, 03:23:21 PM
For those who aren't familiar with the Eastern European mindset, mid to late August is considered national vacation time.  More so than any other time of the year, it is difficult to do any business transactions.  If you can find a lady to take a week away with you at this time of the year, you have earned a dear place in her heart.  Either that or she desperately wants to get away and has no other options.  This is time time of year that families meet up.  That destination vacations are planned.  And that all Eastern Europeans look forward to all year.

Which part of E.Europe are you referring to ?  It's just that you seem to be describing parts of WESTERN Europe...
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: SANDRO43 on June 11, 2018, 05:49:58 PM
Two hundred dollars left for one of them and they would think they broke the bank.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eJymx3UjWLo&hd=1

 ;D
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: 2tallbill on June 11, 2018, 06:10:41 PM
No, No, No ! ;)

MY experience is that WMVM is the high risk / high stress strategy ... this is supposed to be FUN .. not walking a tight rope..

With the advent of video chat for most of us - the risk is virtually eliminated

I did not have a 'plan B' - never even dreamt of it

Your personality is suited to a visit one strategy.
I've been on Skype daily and then visited one girl in Georgia and it didn't work out
I've been on Skype daily and then visited one girl in Portland and it didn't work out
I've been on Skype daily and then visited one girl in Voronezh and it didn't work out

My back up plan was to meet other girls if it didn't work out. I didn't have
back up girls lined up. I only searched and found them after things didn't
work out.

Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 12, 2018, 03:03:34 AM
Your personality is suited to a visit one strategy.


Probably so - and presumably the ladies ?

I've been on Skype daily and then visited one girl in Georgia and it didn't work out
I've been on Skype daily and then visited one girl in Portland and it didn't work out
I've been on Skype daily and then visited one girl in Voronezh and it didn't work out

That suggests  (to me ) that you were doing something wrong / missing some signs .?

My back up plan was to meet other girls if it didn't work out. I didn't have
back up girls lined up. I only searched and found them after things didn't
work out.

Nought wrong with that ...  Suggesting having a 'plan B' - ( to me) read like you recommended having lasses lined up

Thanks for making that clear
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: Surfer on June 12, 2018, 03:19:53 AM
What many here failed to mention, or maybe never encountered is that it's when a relationship starts to get serious and the woman in this case start thinking about really leaving her homeland, that is when the doubts and fears starts to come, many think they are ready to leave going in to this, but when faces with the fact.. it is a little harder to just pick up and leave.

The Donetsk girl I was telling about earlier. She precisely mentioned this point a couple of times earlier. She said, she often thinks about this. I knew that she has several fears and confusion. And the good thing is that she was always open and upfront about her concerns.

Sometimes, I feel I should have just gone and met her over a weekend as you guys suggested. However, meanwhile I started talking to another girl from Moscow and now I am thinking of meeting her first.

Moreover, Donetsk girl I didn't meet through EM. I met her through VK and we actually started as friends. If things don't work out with her, I am certain that she will take it well because she is already aware of the difficulties involved.

And I understand very well what you mention. Last year, I dated a girl from Chelyabinsk. Once again, I didn't meet her through any dating or marriage site. However, when I met her in real life. Her intentions as well as mine were clear. We spent a great time together. She came to the airport along with me and wouldn't let go off my hand for even a moment. It was cute. Great memories. However, when I returned back to homeland, things went downhill from there. Because when I met her, she asked several questions about how she will take care of her mother and grandmother after she leaves Russia. That is indeed a big concern for many girls there. Although, it's another topic for discussion.

I know that the Donetsk girl I mentioned above has shown several signs of being extra cautious. But there are valid reasons for that as well. She has never dated anyone from outside Ukraine in her life before. And she often tried to think about how the life will be after a serious relationship starts.

Some girls are quickly ready to meet because anyway, as a man you would be traveling all the way, it's easier for her to say yes. They may even quickly get into a relation but they do not always think much about the future scenarios. And after a few weeks or months, these issues pop up. So, in my opinion, it's better to discuss all this in the initial stages.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: 2tallbill on June 12, 2018, 08:09:42 PM

Probably so - and presumably the ladies ?

Absolutely, if you spend a bunch of time with a woman, however I found
zero girls upset that I asked out for coffee because something didn't work
out with the girl I came to see.

100% of the girls I met in the past didn't work out, until I met Angel Eyes
the same for the girls that agreed to meet me for coffee or tea. Whoever
they met in the past didn't work out or they would never meet with me.

Here is the MAIN tactical strategy if you visit many.
Never date a girl twice if you don't think that she might be the one.
When you meet the right girl you stop dating others and pursue her
exclusively.

When you do that you are just doing the same as the men who write
letters to many girls. You are just learning if you have chemistry first
before spending time getting to know them.

You DON'T spend time getting to know to more than one girl at a time.
 

That suggests  (to me ) that you were doing something wrong / missing some signs .?

Possibly/Probably, but it's very common and most don't meet the right girl on
a first trip even with Skype.


Nought wrong with that ...  Suggesting having a 'plan B' - ( to me) read like you recommended having lasses lined up

Thanks for making that clear

Lining up girls means that you don't think that the girl you are meeting
is the one. If so, then she probably isn't. The purpose of a meet one is
to be sift through different girls, using letters, Skype etc, then find a girl
who you are(cautiously) optimistic that she is the one.

If you weren't clear then newbies probably weren't clear either as you know
me far better than the newbies do. I'm glad you challenged me to clarify.
Title: Re: Online Dating Multiple Women
Post by: msmob on June 12, 2018, 11:02:58 PM

Possibly/Probably, but it's very common and most don't meet the right girl on
a first trip even with Skype.

 OK I had experience -but's that's what I did .....it was my first trip back ... I hadn't had the luxury of widespread video chat and V wouldn't use SKYPE as she had heard it was possibly 'a spy programme ( 2006 )' - she insisted o using a yahoo prog and her internet was CRAP !!! 

Lining up girls means that you don't think that the girl you are meeting
is the one.


My sentiment, too!

 

If you weren't clear then newbies probably weren't clear either as you know
me far better than the newbies do
. I'm glad you challenged me to clarify.

GREAT .. Glad THAT's put to bed ....  At least you and I are in accord about this ;)