The Struggle For Ukraine

[Chelseaboy]

The orcs elite of the elite,it's 1st Guards Tank Army,was crushed in the Ukrainian counter offensive in the Kharkiv region.


These were the troops designated to defend Moscow in the event of war with NATO.


Putler "I've had enough ...send our best troops into Ukraine and show them who's boss "


His henchmen " Err we already sent them in and they're either dead,crippled or pow's.You might find a few survivors running round the woods like headless chickens ".

[ML]

True or not . . . I don't know.

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2022/9/12/2122443/-Some-Russian-troops-near-Kherson-may-be-negotiating-their-surrender?utm_campaign=recent

http://english.nv.ua/nation/some-russian-units-near-kherson-trying-to-surrender-in-ukraine-war-50269440.html

http://www.thedailybeast.com/putin-troops-surrender-fever-sweeps-through-ranks-in-ukraine-after-russian-forces-collapse

[ML]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1668201/putin-news-coup-fears-chechens-sent-to-moscow-russia-ukraine-war

[Chelseaboy]

http://www.express.co.uk/news/world/1668201/putin-news-coup-fears-chechens-sent-to-moscow-russia-ukraine-war

The Daily Express,like many of our UK newspapers,isn't a reliable source of information.

[LAman]

Pushing into the Donbass while they have momentum there makes sense to me. After Donbass/Lugansk striking south towards Melitopol & Mariupol would probably be a good choice, it's a long front so difficult for the Orcs to hold a long line and predict where along that line an attack may come from. Attacking Kherson itself never made any sense to me as it's kind of hitting the door full on with a short compact battlefront and then a city full of civilians and entrenched Orcs about at least 20,000 or more apparently. So doesn't surprise me they chose not to do that as like said before it would be easier to go around it and come down from the south and cut it off and hopefully get them to capitulate when supplies run out. Russia's troop morale us apparently as low as ever so on the back of a successful counter-offensive that seems a reasonable surmise.

The rot runs deep in the Russian war machine. Ukraine is exposing it for all to see

http://www.cnn.com/2022/09/13/europe/ukraine-advance-russia-war-analysis-intl-hnk-ml/index.html

The sources I had were Russian. There is a large buildup of soldiers in southern Zap region, unconfirmed by Ukraine. The idea was to take Donetsk city but makes sense to close area down to Mariupol then bomb the Kerch bridge and you'll have tens of thousands soldiers stuck.

[Trenchcoat]

Apparently millions of $/£ worth of military equipment seized in the Ukrainian counter-offensive up past Kharkiv. Apparently amounts to a billion $/£ in total seized by Ukraine since the start of the war. Tanks, artillery, planes, helicopter, armaments even a top secret electronic jamming device taken in the haul. Russian troops are fleeing en-masse or surrendering to Ukrainian forces, most are inexperienced, unpaid and a complete collapse in morale. If Putler can't reinforce successfully then it looks like Ukraine could end up rolling up the whole Russian line from here. Worth a shot with them pushing as far and as fast as they can to avoid giving time for Russia to reinforce their troops. Looks like the Russian army is in a state of total collapse and potentially victory for Ukraine could suddenly be on the cards!

Russia is looking especially weak now after suffering big losses in the war, it's looking like now is the time to take advantage and not doubt oneself and hammer them hard before winter sets in. Potentially if Ukraine does that it may be able to win this war by late September/October as I don't think Russia really has anything left in it.

Just think by this Christmas we could be seeing sex tours, ahem... I mean love tours back in Kherson

[Chelseaboy]

Natalia Humeniuk,spokesperson for command of southern operation,"Almost all of Kherson is now under our(Ukrainian) fire control ".


It ain't looking good for Putler and his Kremlin cronies.

[Daveman]

Natalia Humeniuk,spokesperson for command of southern operation,"Almost all of Kherson is now under our(Ukrainian) fire control ".


It ain't looking good for Putler and his Kremlin cronies.

Putsollinied on the Kremlin wall would be a rather fitting end.

[ML]

Putsollinied on the Kremlin wall would be a rather fitting end.

Clever, but what is your specific definition of the word ?

[Chelseaboy]

Zelensky today "Last night Russian terrorists attempted to strike the south Ukraine  Nuclear Plant in the Mykolaiv region.A missile fell 300 metres from the plant . "

[Grumpy]

 Russian troops struck the Pivdennoukrainsk nuclear power plant in Ukraine's southern Mykolaiv region early on Monday but its reactors have not been damaged and are working normally, Ukraine's state nuclear company Energoatom said.

A blast took place 300 metres (yards) away from the reactors and damaged power plant buildings shortly after midnight, Energoatom said in a statement. The attack has also damaged a nearby hydroelectric power plant and transmission lines.

"Currently, all three power units of the PNPP (Pivdennoukrainsk Nuclear Power Plant) are operating normally. Fortunately, there were no casualties among the station staff," Energoatom said.

http://www.reuters.com/world/europe/ukraine-says-russia-strikes-pivdennoukrainsk-nuclear-power-plant-reactors-2022-09-19/

[Jumper1]

Putin calls in a fortune teller to get a glimpse of things.

Putin: what does my future hold?

Fortune teller:  i.am sorry president Putin,  i am.afraid but certain that you will pass away on a ukrainian holiday

Putin:
Really? On which  ukrainian holiday?

Fortune teller:
Mr president. any day you die will be a Ukrainian holiday

[Trenchcoat]

Looks like Putin is about to employ a fake referendum in the Russian controlled regions, Kherson, Melitopol, Mariupol, the Donbas and Lugansk regions to make them Russian territory. That goes against what he said at the outset that it wasn't about Russia gaining more territory so like Hitler another liar who you can't trust a word that they say. Looks like the idea is to claim those areas as part of Russia then say any further counterattack on those areas will be an Invasion by Ukraine and hence an act of war by Ukraine lol. Thus giving Putler a pretext to formally declare war on Ukraine and hence powers to mobilise and conscript a greater number of Russian men into the Russian Army for the war. That may amount to up to one million men issue is they will be untrained so does Putler use them en-masse to overwhelm the Ukrainian Army or does he instead use WMD, nukes etc to try and win the war.

I can't see Ukraine cease it's counter-offensive and I don't blame them. I wouldn't either even under the threat of nukes as if you go along with Putler he'll just take Ukraine bit by bit anyway so really there is no choice but to fight this one out. I think with a possible threat of WMD's on the horizon the UK/US would be justified in giving a few Nukes to Ukraine. After all we all signed up to the Budapest Memorandum in which Ukraine agreed to give up its Nukes for assurances it would not be attacked but Russia has failed to honour that agreement, only right we give them back some Nukes seeing as that agreement has been broken I think.

Putin announces immediate partial mobilization of Russian citizens

http://edition.cnn.com/webview/europe/live-news/russia-ukraine-war-news-09-21-22/index.html

http://news.sky.com/story/ukraine-war-latest-news-putins-forces-clearly-in-panic-russia-12541713

[Chelseaboy]

NATO and the west must not give in to Putler over Ukraine.


The pundits in the media are talking about giving Putler an off-ramp now.


There is no off-ramp for a man who's broken the Budapest agreement and is a pathological liar....appeasement doesn't work with the likes of him and Hitler.


If we wring our hands and allow the madman to take Donetsk,Luhansk,Kherson and Zaporozhye, where does it end ?


NATO was too soft over him stealing Crimea and now look what's happened.


What's to stop him making a declaration that all Polish citizens must serve as slaves to Russia and if they don't he'll nuke them ?


Ukraine is no less deserving of full NATO support,including nukes,as Poland is.


I'd go further than arming Ukraine with nukes...i'd arm Poland,Latvia,Estonia,Lithuania,Finland with them too,if those countries wanted them....all pointing at Russia,but under the control of NATO forces with the launch codes, outside those countries to prevent rogue factions taking control of them.


Russia needs to be encircled by nukes.....the nuclear threats from Putler are becoming tiresome.


Russians are now trying to flee the country,with all flights to Georgia,Armenia and Turkey being snapped up at five times the normal price...they're not too keen on fighting for the nutjob after seeing what's happened to their "elite" military in Ukraine.
 

[Chelseaboy]

Up to 10km queues now forming at the Russian border with Finland as the Russians attempt to flee their country.

[krimster2]

FREEDOM!

[ML]

Up to 10km queues now forming at the Russian border with Finland as the Russians attempt to flee their country.

Must not be too alarming since Russia has not imposed a ban on military age people leaving, as did Ukraine.

But with airlines fully booked, our Big Bill might have trouble getting back out of Russia.

Maybe he will be drafted . . . but not to play basketball.

[Chelseaboy]

Five British nationals,who have been in captivity by separatists,have been released today.


The UK Government thanked President Zelensky and .....Saudi Arabia ...for their assistance in achieving this.


Makes one wonder what Saudi Arabia's involvement was.


Could they have threatened to collapse Oil prices if the Brits weren't released ?

[Jumper1]

Must not be too alarming since Russia has not imposed a ban on military age people leaving, as did Ukraine.

But with airlines fully booked, our Big Bill might have trouble getting back out of Russia.

Maybe he will be drafted . . . but not to play basketball.

Actually I am.pretty sure thec
 What the rada passed overnight does restrict travel of Russian manned military age unless they get a letter from.the local.military branch excusing them for travel.

Im.not 100% on that or when it would take effect but I thought today.

[Chelseaboy]

103 soldiers and five officers,including the Commander and Deputy Commander, from the Azov Battalion were released in a prisoner exchange with Russians yesterday.


Hang on i thought the Azov Battalion were all Nazis according to the Putler fanboys in the other place,and were a major reason the orcs invaded Ukraine ...you know to de-Nazify Ukraine as the site owner loves to claim ?


Seems odd that the fascist orcs are releasing so-called Nazis,as they're going to so much trouble to liberate Ukraine from them.


He'll be gnashing his teeth now 


Ten foreign nationals,including the five Brits and two from the USA, were also released...plus another 80 defenders of Mariupol and Azovstal who were national guards,marines,border guards,policemen,territorial defense,security service employees.


In total 215 pow's were released by the orcs.

[Bee Farmer]

103 soldiers and five officers,including the Commander and Deputy Commander, from the Azov Battalion were released in a prisoner exchange with Russians yesterday.


Hang on i thought the Azov Battalion were all Nazis according to the Putler fanboys in the other place,and were a major reason the orcs invaded Ukraine ...you know to de-Nazify Ukraine as the site owner loves to claim ?


Seems odd that the fascist orcs are releasing so-called Nazis,as they're going to so much trouble to liberate Ukraine from them.

You do realize the price Ukraine had to pay, right?  It wasn't exactly a goodwill gesture by Russia.

Ukraine had to give up Putin's close personal friend, Medvedchuk.  Putin is godfather to Medvedchuk's daughter.

Try looking at things from Putin's perspective.  What if Putin actually intends to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine?  Perhaps the reason Putin hasn't nuked Ukraine yet is because he was afraid his friend Medvedchuk would get killed in the blast.

And if he just killed the Azov fighters Russia was holding, the world would get in a huff about it.

But if he trades Medvedchuk, he can have him safely back in Russia.  The Azov fighters are returned to Ukraine, where they will die in the nuclear blasts.

At that point, no one will care about the Azov fighters. The collective world will be in such shock that it isn't funny.  If the world realizes that Putin is serious about using nukes...sh*t just got real.  The world will back down and placate him.  I think we all know that Biden won't do anything.  He's too busy trying to shake hands with imaginary people.

[Chelseaboy]

You do realize the price Ukraine had to pay, right?  It wasn't exactly a goodwill gesture by Russia.

Ukraine had to give up Putin's close personal friend, Medvedchuk.  Putin is godfather to Medvedchuk's daughter.

Try looking at things from Putin's perspective.  What if Putin actually intends to use nuclear weapons on Ukraine?  Perhaps the reason Putin hasn't nuked Ukraine yet is because he was afraid his friend Medvedchuk would get killed in the blast.

And if he just killed the Azov fighters Russia was holding, the world would get in a huff about it.

But if he trades Medvedchuk, he can have him safely back in Russia.  The Azov fighters are returned to Ukraine, where they will die in the nuclear blasts.

At that point, no one will care about the Azov fighters. The collective world will be in such shock that it isn't funny.  If the world realizes that Putin is serious about using nukes...sh*t just got real.  The world will back down and placate him.  I think we all know that Biden won't do anything.  He's too busy trying to shake hands with imaginary people.

Well,actually nuking Ukraine wouldn't kill the released officers of the Azov Battalion,including the Commander and Deputy Commander ....because they'll be held in Turkey until the end of the war..release conditions of Putler who is scared of them commanding Ukraine troops at the front.


As for Medvedchuck...well if Ukraine is nuked it will just mean he dies in Russia instead of Ukraine, because the radiation fallout WILL affect surrounding NATO countries which will trigger article 5 and bye bye Russia.


Of course Putler may well take you,me and everyone else with him..but under article 5 there can be no bending over and placating him.

[krimster2]

Xcuse moi…

Putin’s BIGGEST miscalculation, in a whole series of miscalculations, was in “timing”
He waited until Nord Stream II was finished BEFORE starting the “Ukrainian Special Operation” Part III, after Crimea, and Donbas….

He prioritized gas deliveries to Europe too much, cuz it's most of his income


If instead, he had launched the Special Operation during Trump’s presidency, and not been delayed because of the gas issue,
the outcome would’ve been hugely different under a Trump Presidency….

But now….

More Russian casualties than Afghanistan, huge loss of equipment, Russian economy will shrink by 12% by end of next year, 300,000 reserves just called up, more resources diverted to military instead of civilian

now both North Stream I and II are turned off, and almost no gas flowing through Ukraine, means only Russian gas that can be sold to Europe is through South Stream

meanwhile, US’s LNG exports are eating into Russia’s former market, and is set to completely replace Russian gas in 5 more years…
Russia sells oil to China now, with a HUGE discount costing Russia $30 per barrel!!!
hundreds of thousands of Russians are FLEEING
Russian Oligarch yachts are  disappearing

so the US ends up with a HUGE stimulus to it’s weapons industry, and indirectly kicks Russia’s ass, without losing a single casualty, and ends up owning Europe’s gas industry

I say, let Biden talk to his imaginary friends, cuz maybe they’re the ones giving him the plan, and so far it’s “kicking ASS”
using Ukraine to fight a war to contain Russia, and WINNING the WAR is a phuqing BRILLIANT IDEA...
doncha think so?

I mean, just think for a minute, what it would mean, if Ukraine actually WON this war!!!

[Admin]

103 soldiers and five officers,including the Commander and Deputy Commander, from the Azov Battalion were released in a prisoner exchange with Russians yesterday.


Hang on i thought the Azov Battalion were all Nazis according to the Putler fanboys in the other place,and were a major reason the orcs invaded Ukraine ...you know to de-Nazify Ukraine as the site owner loves to claim ?


Seems odd that the fascist orcs are releasing so-called Nazis,as they're going to so much trouble to liberate Ukraine from them.


He'll be gnashing his teeth now 


Ten foreign nationals,including the five Brits and two from the USA, were also released...plus another 80 defenders of Mariupol and Azovstal who were national guards,marines,border guards,policemen,territorial defense,security service employees.


In total 215 pow's were released by the orcs.

"to de-Nazify Ukraine as the site owner loves to claim" -- Not this site owner.

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