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« Reply #225 on: July 30, 2022, 11:19:13 AM »
RWO,
youre the captain of the Titanic whos asking this board, is my ship gonna sink?
While the rest of us watched the National Geographic Special about the wreckage

get a freakin little bit of EXPERIENCE with local dating FIRST
afore you get all carried away with your fantasies regarding the easy availability of caucasian pooty-tang

mamachika in Israel?
Then shes at least partly a Galitzen Jew
a VERY clannish group to say the least
you are VERY far from being her dream man
and so
shes NOT REALLY that into you
and especially since you aint shovin out any coins

the biggest problem in this, isnt her, its YOU!!!
not knowing WTF youre doing!!!!

still lagging behind, thinking a binary is she a scammer/not a scammer
instead of is she into me or NOT

youre doing EVERYTHING WRONG cuz you have no clue
Id suggest learning how to get some
clues, that is

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« Reply #226 on: July 30, 2022, 12:13:47 PM »
ML makes some good points RWO, a lot of experience gets handed down out there, those young pretty girls that were the scammers 15-20 years or so ago some will elevate to the equivalent position of Madam in a Brothel from a pro or the head hen of younger strippers in a strip club from being once a stripper herself. Alternatively the stories may be passed around among families, friends, relatives, etc even on forums, etc. As ML says the techniques evolve over time as the basic early stuff ends up getting too well known about, obvious and hence ineffective. A bit like here where you get a scam email pretending to be from someone who has inherited a lot of money, they just need a western guy to process the transaction, but will need your bank details first to do it! etc, etc. Over time scammers have to change their technique, sure if they bulk spam people one out of so many thousand will fall for it but after a while too few to none do so they have to evolve the scam quite naturally.

So yeah scammers in the FSU will have learnt to not ask for money directly, only as a last resort. They will have learnt to show their face in a video chat. They will have learnt to be warm and pleasant in that video chat to try to connect well. They will have learnt to not immediately play the scam but to wait a bit establishing trust then try for more money. They will have learnt not to be seen on dating sites after picking up their first prey and well on the way to a scam. They will have learnt to make the situation look authentic. They will have also learnt how to play with your emotions and to use emotion, etc, etc, etc.

They're essentially after making sure as best as possible that a scam works that they get their pay day which is what they are after. Earlier you were talking about dropping $1k to this woman, it's that sort of throwing money around that fuels the whole scamming industry and turns women who are interested in finding someone into scammers. Women in the FSU hear how easy it is to extract money from men and they all go out for easy pickings. It's why you need to keep your money in your pocket on this one until you learn to know the right way to deploy it as Krim does.

Anyhow I think you can hopefully now see why it's said to go out and meet the girl, leaving it a long while just encourages her to go into scammer mode if that wasn't her intention already. I think for your own benefit sit and wait for the reply, sed what she says so you can see how it all works from there you can learn and move forwards.
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« Reply #227 on: July 30, 2022, 02:14:10 PM »
The mom's health situation as well as the sudden going to Israel looking for doctors is very unexpected.  What makes me feel even worse is that she has not been very communicative.  She said they book a hotel in Israel for 3 nights and will make changes if needs be.  Here are the people I think are going:. Her, her son, her mom, her sister and her sister's husband.  Her mom has a friend in Israel that she's known for almost 30 years.  She has not asked for help in going to Israel like airfare, hotels, etc.

Boe:. Can you be more specific?  Is Israel medical visits always scams?


Israeli physicians (former Soviets or their children) set up private medical clinics in former Soviet republics after the collapse.  These clinics have the latest technology, and are known for providing excellent quality care.  So, someone claiming they are going to Israel for treatment just falls within the scammer textbook, and clumsily, at that. 


I doubt this woman's mother is going to Israel.  She could get the same care at a private clinic in Moldova,  or Latvia/Lithuania/Estonia/Poland, unless she has some extremely rare disease.


The fact she isn't contacting you now may be because you haven't offered money.
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« Reply #228 on: July 30, 2022, 03:22:47 PM »
Boe:  So, I was reviewing some pictures and videos on my viber chat with her.  She did receive the flowers.  The pictures she took with the flowers has the same background of a short video she sent me.  Looks like her kitchen. According to her, her mom has some serious health issues in the past and recently, she is diagnosed with some other disease that can be potentially dangerous.  My aunt died 4 years ago from stomach cancer.  My aunt went to the doctors and they told her she had 3-6 months left without treatment.  My aunt lasted a year even with aggressive chemo therapy.  Before my aunt was diagnosed, she was overweight, bad diet, bad sleep schedule, stress, no exercise.  I have seen pictures of her mom.  She is somewhat overweight.  So, I can imagine that her mom might have some serious health issues.  I understand when you say there are clinics in Moldova; there are many clinics and hospital here in the US or any other country but sometimes you go to a different place because there may be Specialists or Experts that is more suited for specific conditions and sickness.  I don't know all the details and I don't want to keep asking when she is telling me that she is so stressed out and is traveling to a different country.  I already said what I think is happening right now when she is not communicating.  I am just playing the waiting game.  Let's see if she ever message me again in the next few days.  She said she will be in Israel for at least 3 nights so with travel time maybe up to a week before I hear anything from her.  If she truly is scammer, I hope I don't ever hear from her again. 
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« Reply #229 on: July 30, 2022, 04:01:56 PM »
If she truly is scammer, I hope I don't ever hear from her again.

I find it perculiar that you keep saying that RWO. Trust me if she is a scammer she WILL be contacting you again. If she can't get you to stump at money at the outset she'll keep leaving opportunities for you to stump up the money. Then finally tired of all of that she's likely to set up an opportunity to ask you straight out for money stating the situation is desperate or something.

If she has decided she wants to scam you she won't be hitting mission abort. She has invested good time and effort talking to you and won't be wanting that to go to waste. For scammers it's often like their job, it would be like going home without her pay check after doing the work so no scammer is going to walk away without initiating the scam.
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« Reply #230 on: July 30, 2022, 05:50:26 PM »
Boe:  So, I was reviewing some pictures and videos on my viber chat with her.  She did receive the flowers.  The pictures she took with the flowers has the same background of a short video she sent me.  Looks like her kitchen. According to her, her mom has some serious health issues in the past and recently, she is diagnosed with some other disease that can be potentially dangerous.  My aunt died 4 years ago from stomach cancer.  My aunt went to the doctors and they told her she had 3-6 months left without treatment.  My aunt lasted a year even with aggressive chemo therapy.  Before my aunt was diagnosed, she was overweight, bad diet, bad sleep schedule, stress, no exercise.  I have seen pictures of her mom.  She is somewhat overweight.  So, I can imagine that her mom might have some serious health issues.  I understand when you say there are clinics in Moldova; there are many clinics and hospital here in the US or any other country but sometimes you go to a different place because there may be Specialists or Experts that is more suited for specific conditions and sickness.  I don't know all the details and I don't want to keep asking when she is telling me that she is so stressed out and is traveling to a different country.  I already said what I think is happening right now when she is not communicating.  I am just playing the waiting game.  Let's see if she ever message me again in the next few days.  She said she will be in Israel for at least 3 nights so with travel time maybe up to a week before I hear anything from her.  If she truly is scammer, I hope I don't ever hear from her again.

The average wage in Moldova is around US$500 a month. Surgery for complex procedures in Israel are US$15,000 and up.

Its not logical to assume, even with family members helping, that someone from Moldova would go to Israel for treatment.
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« Reply #231 on: July 31, 2022, 04:10:21 AM »
Well Ladies and gentlemen, I believe I may have found the smoking gun in that this Moldovan girl is a scammer or at least is not 100% honest.  I went back and read our monthly long conversation in Viber and back on July 13 which is about 3 weeks ago, we were talking about a lot of things.  It was like a 3 hour back and forth conversation. It came down to this, we were talking about K1-Visa and I asked her about her ex-husband the boy's father and whether or not he has a say in him able to leave the country, etc.  Anyways, that day's conversation, she actually deleted all her messages.  But Viber doesn't delete if I specifically responded to any messages and one message that I responded to and is still in my Viber app and it says, "I cant even renew my passport for now..." That may or may not be the whole message but that's what Viber shows.  It shows like the first sentence. So Immediately I was like WTF.  Also, on July 15 (Again, she deleted her messages for that day), I saw another message that I replied to and she says, "We can meet in Europe". Now this message about meeting in Europe was just a message and I immediately said no to that because at the time, I was still waiting on my job telling me when I can start.  I'd assume if she's real, she would of renewed her passport and we would plan to meet up whenever.  The meet in Europe doesn't bother me as much but it's the "My mom is sick and we are going to Israel".  She said that just three weeks ago, her passport is perhaps expired.  It could also mean that her passport is expired and she doesn't have the extra money to renew her passport.  How long does it take to for a Moldovan citizen to renew his/her Moldovan passport?  I'd imagine at least a few months?  Here in the US, it takes 3 months but it's probably even longer than that.  So, how can she say on July 13, I can't renew my passport to July 27th saying, "I am going with my mother and son to Israel". Now, I did a very limited research but for Moldovans to travel to Israel, you do not need a Visa but you do need a passport. Now, I didn't find whether or not the passport requirement is needed if it's for medical reasons.  However, I am pretty sure no matter what the reason, you need to present a valid passport to gain entry. 

Based on this, I am pretty sure she is a scammer and did not have any real romantic interest in me. She has not turn her phone or internet back on or she just has blocked me outright.  Today is the third day. 

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« Reply #232 on: July 31, 2022, 06:08:21 AM »
With a WMVM approach, you don't ever have to worry about scammers.
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« Reply #233 on: July 31, 2022, 07:28:57 AM »
Well Ladies and gentlemen, I believe I may have found the smoking gun in that this Moldovan girl is a scammer or at least is not 100% honest.  I went back and read our monthly long conversation in Viber and back on July 13 which is about 3 weeks ago, we were talking about a lot of things.  It was like a 3 hour back and forth conversation. It came down to this, we were talking about K1-Visa and I asked her about her ex-husband the boy's father and whether or not he has a say in him able to leave the country, etc.  Anyways, that day's conversation, she actually deleted all her messages.  But Viber doesn't delete if I specifically responded to any messages and one message that I responded to and is still in my Viber app and it says, "I cant even renew my passport for now..." That may or may not be the whole message but that's what Viber shows.  It shows like the first sentence. So Immediately I was like WTF.  Also, on July 15 (Again, she deleted her messages for that day), I saw another message that I replied to and she says, "We can meet in Europe". Now this message about meeting in Europe was just a message and I immediately said no to that because at the time, I was still waiting on my job telling me when I can start.  I'd assume if she's real, she would of renewed her passport and we would plan to meet up whenever.  The meet in Europe doesn't bother me as much but it's the "My mom is sick and we are going to Israel".  She said that just three weeks ago, her passport is perhaps expired.  It could also mean that her passport is expired and she doesn't have the extra money to renew her passport.  How long does it take to for a Moldovan citizen to renew his/her Moldovan passport?  I'd imagine at least a few months?  Here in the US, it takes 3 months but it's probably even longer than that.  So, how can she say on July 13, I can't renew my passport to July 27th saying, "I am going with my mother and son to Israel". Now, I did a very limited research but for Moldovans to travel to Israel, you do not need a Visa but you do need a passport. Now, I didn't find whether or not the passport requirement is needed if it's for medical reasons.  However, I am pretty sure no matter what the reason, you need to present a valid passport to gain entry. 

Based on this, I am pretty sure she is a scammer and did not have any real romantic interest in me. She has not turn her phone or internet back on or she just has blocked me outright.  Today is the third day.

Lol, yeah that makes sense, she's deleting her messages as she's c*cking up and sticking her foot in it. She keeps on saying stuff that undermines her story so if she keeps deleting most of her messages she avoids it being picked up upon. Either she's realized along the way that she's put her foot in it or she's had previous guys who have noticed so does it as a tactic to avoid tripping herself up on it again. However even the few messages she hasn't deleted it looks like she hasn't noticed and messed up. Truly a scammer with an ineptitude of making her messaging follow.

It's like is said most scammers usually show themselves up before long. She's still got to show her hand so I wouldn't mind betting she will be back in touch with the terrible need of her Mother's predicament lol. Only reason she might not is if she reads this website but that is unlikely as not many FSW know about it. For me the sudden conversation movement from, 'my mother is ill' to suddenly, 'and Isreal!' out of the blue rung alarm bells as it's pretty sporadic.

Might as well just kick back now RWO and see what she pulls out of the bag when she gets back in touch. Just use this experience to build upon and work on how better to approach your dating with another woman whatever you choose for on that.
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« Reply #234 on: August 02, 2022, 01:30:53 PM »
Hello Everyone.

This girl has since blocked me on Viber.  Long story short, she told me her mom is really sick and that she is mentally and physically tired.  She also said her whole family is going to Israel to find better doctors for treatment.
 
Here are a few things to know:

1. She's in Moldova and her viber number starts with +373 which is legitimately Moldova. 
2.  I video chatted with her twice
3.  I sent her flowers and the pictures she sent me are the flowers that I bought and she also took a picture of the note.  Because of this, I know she lives in Chisinau for sure, no doubt.
4.  I have reversed image search some of the photos she send me through viber and nothing comes up.  I even got a starter membership with SocialCatFish.com, I used TINEYE, and nothing comes up.
5.  She has sent me pictures of her, her mom, and her son
6.  She has never really asked for support directly.  Even going to Israel (supposedly), she never asked for any financial help for airfare, hotels, etc
7.  She has sent me short videos of her and pictures
8.  When we first started talking/chatting, it was several hours a day, then it was down to a few minutes a day when she told me about her mom's health, and now she has for sure blocked me on Viber.  I know this because it's just 1 grey check and that her profile picture is gone.  The last few days before I was blocked, she did say that she was mentally and physically tired and that she was very worried about her mom.  Additionally, she basically said she has no mood for romance and that she can't be distracted by anything else other than her mom's well-being. 
9.  One of the strange things I noticed was that she would delete some of our Viber conversations but not all.  She has blocked me as I said, but some of the conversations are still readable.
10.  I am not 100% sure she is divorced but she said that she has had no contact with the father of the child for about 6 years.
11.  The last few texts that I sent her was that to be strong and that when she was ready I am here for her.  That was 5 days ago. 

Any opinion is welcomed. It's the same question:  I just want to know if this person is real or is she a scammer?  In my opinion, I can see she might be real but she might be a scammer.  I really like her and I was hoping to visit her in a few months.  I mean, why would a scammer video chat me, send me short videos and lots of pictures including her, her son, and her mother? Not to mention that I know for sure she lives in Chisinau. Isn't that overly exposing yourself?  What if I post those pictures and video chats and warn people about her?  If she is a scammer, why did she invested a lot of time with me but never ask for money or other types of support directly or indirectly?  Her profile on the dating website is still up, she didn't block me on that site and it does show she has been inactive for about 3 weeks, which is about the time when she told me about her mother's health problems.  Of course, she might have other online dating profiles.

I am just so frustrated about this whole situation because I thought I was like the luckiest guy in the world.  I met a beautiful woman, in just a few days after I created my online dating profile, who I developed really strong feelings for in a short time because we are so compatible and had similar interests.  I thought I was going to visit her and we would have strong chemistry and will become soulmates.   I am still messaging her everyday to show support even though I know for a fact she has blocked me.  What's the point some of you ask?  To show support, because I am still holding out hoping she is real and that she will come back.  Just 2-3 messages a day.  For how long will I do this?  I have no idea... 

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« Reply #235 on: August 02, 2022, 01:43:23 PM »
She definitely was settling you up for cash. You failed the test because you didnt send her any.

The fact you saw everyone is irrelevant. Its to play on your heartstrings.
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« Reply #236 on: August 02, 2022, 02:17:17 PM »
Man, get over yourself. Sending all these messages to her and really falling for her. You have done because she is a pretty enough girl and she gave you airtime as said at the beginning. You're falling in love with a photo little more. Until you go meet a girl that's all it is for anyone, a photo. Don't fall in love with a photo of a pretty girl.

The answer to all of your questions RWO is that if the potential for a large payout for her is large then she won't mind sending you all that stuff/doing that stuff. It's just photos and info on her & her family it's no big deal, she could ask for thousands and may still do. If she gets the money then there is little recourse for you to get it back it's not the US out there, courts in Moldova, Ukraine, Russia, etc won't give a stuff, they along with Police etc will say you sent the money voluntarily and it will have been lost end off no chance of getting it back.

Possibly this FSW is playing hard ball and might unblock you and give you a sob story about what such a traumatic situation she is in. Possibly she might read these forums and know you have been alerted. I'm not sure why she hasn't gone for the jugular in at least hoisting out the, 'and we found my Mother's treatment is going to cost this $$$$ much!!!

Possibly the mother illness is just a get out for her as you didn't stump up upfront in terms of support with money and Boe suggests. Possibly she was hoping for more than just flowers and decided it was a waste of time trying for more. The deletion of her messages suggests to me that she might be an amateur at this, not much experience, messing up the story and only noticing after sending messages that she has fouled up and quickly moving to delete hoping to do so before you notice. She's probably heard how much money is possible to get by scamming foreign men, heard a few ways of how to go about it and thought give it a try. She may likely feel she has messed I up so badly, gotten so little and maybe fed up & possibly even stressed about it that she just threw in the towel and gave up. Possibly she was hesitant in accepting you sending flowers as she was hoping for money, etc instead and it may have been an unwanted inconvenience to her, hence the oddity over the address as she didn't really know what to do but probably didn't want to put down a real contact address but perhaps had no choice in the end? On that one few scammers will want their real address known by those they scam or are trying to.

The whole Mother and her illness just seems too much of a coincidence for me just as you happen to be messaging her. Who knows though perhaps she was working towards scamming and her Mother really did fall ill and realized that was more important than scamming. Israel seems suspect but I wouldn't really worry about that.

I think the main thing is to move on from this woman my thoughts are that she was an amateur hour scammer than messed up the whole thing bad. Remember this woman might not have had much experience with western men and/or scamming. Anyhow yeah I would take the experience gained then decide where you want to go from here, try for another FSW - probably best when time available to visit, try a South American woman, etc.
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« Reply #237 on: August 02, 2022, 04:03:54 PM »
Do only WMVM and you won't have to act like a 7th grade schoolboy who thought his date has taken a glance at another guy.
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« Reply #238 on: August 02, 2022, 06:30:04 PM »
dewd,
how many times does she have to tell ya, that she has NO INTEREST in you before you understand the message!!!
why are you so freakin "desperate" over this?

you need her for a kidney transplant or somethin'
if so, just get a daialysis machine...
jeez...

you need a dose of reality...
stop fantasizing about blond white girls
and get some experience and self-awareness

the fault isn't just the girl,
it's YOU

your whole approach
is based on a fantasy
and not reality
and you've grown confused over which is which...





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« Reply #239 on: August 03, 2022, 01:56:28 AM »
Hello Everyone.

This girl has since blocked me on Viber.  Long story short, she told me her mom is really sick and that she is mentally and physically tired.  She also said her whole family is going to Israel to find better doctors for treatment.
 
Here are a few things to know:

1. She's in Moldova and her viber number starts with +373 which is legitimately Moldova. 
2.  I video chatted with her twice
3.  I sent her flowers and the pictures she sent me are the flowers that I bought and she also took a picture of the note.  Because of this, I know she lives in Chisinau for sure, no doubt.
4.  I have reversed image search some of the photos she send me through viber and nothing comes up.  I even got a starter membership with SocialCatFish.com, I used TINEYE, and nothing comes up.
5.  She has sent me pictures of her, her mom, and her son
6.  She has never really asked for support directly.  Even going to Israel (supposedly), she never asked for any financial help for airfare, hotels, etc
7.  She has sent me short videos of her and pictures
8.  When we first started talking/chatting, it was several hours a day, then it was down to a few minutes a day when she told me about her mom's health, and now she has for sure blocked me on Viber.  I know this because it's just 1 grey check and that her profile picture is gone.  The last few days before I was blocked, she did say that she was mentally and physically tired and that she was very worried about her mom.  Additionally, she basically said she has no mood for romance and that she can't be distracted by anything else other than her mom's well-being. 
9.  One of the strange things I noticed was that she would delete some of our Viber conversations but not all.  She has blocked me as I said, but some of the conversations are still readable.
10.  I am not 100% sure she is divorced but she said that she has had no contact with the father of the child for about 6 years.
11.  The last few texts that I sent her was that to be strong and that when she was ready I am here for her.  That was 5 days ago. 

Any opinion is welcomed. It's the same question:  I just want to know if this person is real or is she a scammer?  In my opinion, I can see she might be real but she might be a scammer.  I really like her and I was hoping to visit her in a few months.  I mean, why would a scammer video chat me, send me short videos and lots of pictures including her, her son, and her mother? Not to mention that I know for sure she lives in Chisinau. Isn't that overly exposing yourself?  What if I post those pictures and video chats and warn people about her?  If she is a scammer, why did she invested a lot of time with me but never ask for money or other types of support directly or indirectly?  Her profile on the dating website is still up, she didn't block me on that site and it does show she has been inactive for about 3 weeks, which is about the time when she told me about her mother's health problems.  Of course, she might have other online dating profiles.

I am just so frustrated about this whole situation because I thought I was like the luckiest guy in the world.  I met a beautiful woman, in just a few days after I created my online dating profile, who I developed really strong feelings for in a short time because we are so compatible and had similar interests.  I thought I was going to visit her and we would have strong chemistry and will become soulmates.   I am still messaging her everyday to show support even though I know for a fact she has blocked me.  What's the point some of you ask?  To show support, because I am still holding out hoping she is real and that she will come back.  Just 2-3 messages a day.  For how long will I do this?  I have no idea...

Guy you really need to relax. You want to know if she is real or a scammer? 
You spent a lot of time investigating and reviewing everything, you spent hours to remind every details.
 
You have and you are concentrating a lot of emotionnal energy about what? 
A fucking keyboard bla bla story. Worth of all of this = ZERO.
 
You are frustrated about what, a virtual pen pal story. You shouldn't. 
 
I told you you made a ONE ITIS which is an absolute obsession about a possible relationship. A possible relationship is a fantasy. 
You are living in a world of fantasy and you are still living in world of fantasy.
 
Why?
 
Because you continue to write her while she has blocked you. When a FSU woman has blocked you you are DEAD meat.
 
Fantasy is developping strong feelings for someone you have never met and create your own fairy tale that has no connection with the reality. The reality is that you are not capable to stand in the reality because you are not capable to meet her before the end of the year. 
 
Just go and stop writing and you will avoid all this masturation in front of your screen which is worth of nothing and FACTOR number ONE for the success of the scam factory.
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« Reply #240 on: August 03, 2022, 02:12:00 AM »
If you want to avoid this, I advice:
 
1/ You choose a city
2/ When you are SURE and ready to go you buy the ticket
3/ you start to write to all girls that you are interested in in this specific location and you DON'T contact other girls
4/ you send a copy of your airfare and setup your appointments
And you will avoid all this shit and all this fantasy, scammers? zero. You will find some scammers later but that's another style of scams.
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« Reply #241 on: August 03, 2022, 11:45:14 AM »
Hello Everyone.

This girl has since blocked me on Viber.  Long story short, she told me her mom is really sick and that she is mentally and physically tired.  She also said her whole family is going to Israel to find better doctors for treatment.
 
 
I am still messaging her everyday to show support even though I know for a fact she has blocked me.  What's the point some of you ask?  To show support, because I am still holding out hoping she is real and that she will come back.  Just 2-3 messages a day.  For how long will I do this?  I have no idea...


Don't worry about other men. If you get on a plane to visit her she
will dump them faster than cottage cheese with mold growing on it.


She's probably not a scammer. She is spending too much time with you.
If she agrees to video chat then you can be even more sure. If you worry
too much about scams you will lose good girls.

Waiting till Christmas is too long. Somebody else might decide to visit her
and you will be the one dumped like moldy cottage cheese.

Bill you're still in Texas aren't you????  :ROFL:
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« Reply #242 on: August 04, 2022, 01:55:44 PM »
Seriously though RWO, it may be simple as that, another guy may have just beat you too it. If so then she'll have blocked you as you're no longer relevant to her plus she'll won't want you showing up on her phone to the guy who 'has' got on a plane. It will merely disturb the... Ah.. argh.. Argh ... ARGH!!! yes.. Yes.. YES!!!!! More baby MORE!!!! :D

Odds are if it were a scam she would be surfacing like the Red October.
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« Reply #243 on: August 04, 2022, 03:06:50 PM »
Trenchcoat:. Anything is possible allbeit that she always told me she only communicates with one person or that she was only communicating with me.  Her profile is still accessible but she has not logged on for 22 days now.  However, I do know if a message is sent, she should receive by email that a message is sent.  She has not responded and I am still blocked.  Just makes me scratch my head that if she is a scammer, why doesn't she erase all messages and block me in everything.   She is too exposed.   So, even though I know red flags is starring at me, I am still holding out.  Not until I am 100% sure...

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« Reply #244 on: August 04, 2022, 03:15:03 PM »
If I am certain she's a scammer, she's a scammer.  I give women the benefit of the doubt 100% of the time. 


Scamming is a numbers game.  Scammers don't care if you have their name, or the way they tried to scam you.  They're not concerned about exposure, because another sucker will fall for the same thing. 
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« Reply #245 on: August 04, 2022, 04:30:37 PM »
Trenchcoat:. Anything is possible allbeit that she always told me she only communicates with one person or that she was only communicating with me.  Her profile is still accessible but she has not logged on for 22 days now.  However, I do know if a message is sent, she should receive by email that a message is sent.  She has not responded and I am still blocked.  Just makes me scratch my head that if she is a scammer, why doesn't she erase all messages and block me in everything.   She is too exposed.   So, even though I know red flags is starring at me, I am still holding out.  Not until I am 100% sure...

I think the thing is RWO that the whole Mum is ill and needs to go to Israel for specialist treatment is either one of two things:

1). The perfect lead in to what is now a very used scam situation setup.

2). An excuse to stop relationship (albeit online) with you for whatever reason.

Neither of those two reasons give a happy outcome for you. Personally having tossed the possible reasons around in my mind I'm thinking it's now reason 2. It's probably not another guy, it might I wouldn't know for certain but I think Krim got it right when he said, 'she's really not into you'. That is unfortunate but it happens. I think she tired of the messaging with you and probably the whole International Dating game in general. I think any interest she had in you ran out of steam and decided that you didn't hit the mark. The delay of 6months before you meet meant that she would be messaging back and forth with you for quite some time and that was a commitment of time and effort she probably became not keen on.

Her hang up over you sending flowers may have been more that you offered rather than her wishing it. If she was moving towards a route out the flowers were probably wasn't something she wanted as she just wanted to get to the out. So the flowers wasn't something she really wanted tried dropping hint through showing not keen on it but in the end had to accept.

The deleting messages could be other reasons than a scammer messing up, it's a strange one but there could be a possible other reason. Possibly personal info or something that she later decided she would rather not have on record or something like that perhaps. The care and provide talk could have just been what she was hoping from any man she got with rather than an attempt to drive to scam. After all she has a child to look after in addition to herself. On top of that her family is in Moldova, she might have gotten cold feet over the whole leave them in Moldova & move to the US, it tends to be a big deal and not necessarily an easy choice to make.

So gone off you or an incompetent scammer? I'm thinking now it could just be she went off you. I think she would have tried to twist the vice to up an obvious but unsaid need to send money if she was after the money. That from what you tell us never happened. I'm doubtful if she would take this amount of time out before getting back in contact to try it on, she might but for all she knows you could just delete her and move on seeing her as not interested - then she's wasted a lot of time, effort and missed an opportunity for a payout.

So yeah I think she just lost interest if there was much there in the first place. I know it's not what you want to hear RWO but it happens. You've learnt a fair bit about FSU dating as a result so that's some useful stuff for the future. I still think a South American girl might be worth a thought over as like just said the distance to the FSU isn't just a potential issue for you but also for her.

The chances that something has genuinely happen to her mum, the whole Isreal thing and that she will get back in touch with you for genuine reasons is extremely remote to a non-starter I'm afraid. So unfortunately I really wouldn't get hung up on that but instead move onto a better situation.
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« Reply #246 on: August 04, 2022, 06:46:45 PM »
I appreciate the time that you guys took to respond to me.  I think they are all wise words and I have taken them into consideration as well.  Of course, my mind is racing and always thinking about the whole situation; is she a scammer or is she not?  My newest theory is that she isn't a scammer because she is just too overly exposed.  How can you chat with someone, telling them a lot about yourself, confirms that you are real through video chat and confirm that you actually live in Chisinau? 

Second, I think she really is looking for a provider.  I think any woman in her situation (living in Moldova, poorest country in Europe; having a child and mother to provide for) would be looking for someone real to provide for her financial stability.  Maybe she was testing me the whole time whether I would provide for her and her family. In her mind, she just doesn't want someone who may or may not visit in January, who may or may not be a supporter/provider.  She decided that maybe it's not worth her time to continue to communicate with me.  Furthermore, I never said I was going to send money or that I was going to provide anything.  She also never asked so maybe she just decided that I was never going to provide anything. Let's say going to Israel is made up and is just a test.  Well, I failed because I didn't say I can help with finances so that ended for her and she believes I am not going to be a good provider.  (if this is true then she is short sighted.  I will and can be provider but only after our relationship gets to that point)

Third, her fdating.com profile is still up or that I can still see her profile. I have messaged her since on fdating.com but it shows that she has not seen the messages (She has not logged on for over 3 weeks).  So, if you are a scammer and decided to block me then why not block everything?  I also know that when a message is sent, that person gets an email with the message.  So, if she is a scammer, she should block everything.  If she forgot to block me, she definitely will block after receiving the emails.  She still hasn't!  Makes me really wonder that she might of really left the country and is 100% preoccupied with her mother's illness and treatment.  Before I was blocked on Viber, she messaged me saying things like, "No mood for romance" and "doesn't want to communicate with anyone online".   Maybe she did go off the grid because she was telling the truth.  Which is why, I'm still messaging her.  If she never comes back, I am just throwing pennies into a wishing pond.  If she does come back, I did what I wanted to do, which is to support her no matter what. 

If she comes back asking for money, then sure I know for sure she is just scamming for money. If she never comes back, I guess I'll never know for sure and move on.   






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« Reply #247 on: August 04, 2022, 09:38:40 PM »
I appreciate the time that you guys took to respond to me.  I think they are all wise words and I have taken them into consideration as well.  Of course, my mind is racing and always thinking about the whole situation; is she a scammer or is she not?  My newest theory is that she isn't a scammer because she is just too overly exposed.  How can you chat with someone, telling them a lot about yourself, confirms that you are real through video chat and confirm that you actually live in Chisinau? 

Second, I think she really is looking for a provider.  I think any woman in her situation (living in Moldova, poorest country in Europe; having a child and mother to provide for) would be looking for someone real to provide for her financial stability.  Maybe she was testing me the whole time whether I would provide for her and her family. In her mind, she just doesn't want someone who may or may not visit in January, who may or may not be a supporter/provider.  She decided that maybe it's not worth her time to continue to communicate with me.  Furthermore, I never said I was going to send money or that I was going to provide anything.  She also never asked so maybe she just decided that I was never going to provide anything. Let's say going to Israel is made up and is just a test.  Well, I failed because I didn't say I can help with finances so that ended for her and she believes I am not going to be a good provider.  (if this is true then she is short sighted.  I will and can be provider but only after our relationship gets to that point)

Third, her fdating.com profile is still up or that I can still see her profile. I have messaged her since on fdating.com but it shows that she has not seen the messages (She has not logged on for over 3 weeks).  So, if you are a scammer and decided to block me then why not block everything?  I also know that when a message is sent, that person gets an email with the message.  So, if she is a scammer, she should block everything.  If she forgot to block me, she definitely will block after receiving the emails.  She still hasn't!  Makes me really wonder that she might of really left the country and is 100% preoccupied with her mother's illness and treatment.  Before I was blocked on Viber, she messaged me saying things like, "No mood for romance" and "doesn't want to communicate with anyone online".   Maybe she did go off the grid because she was telling the truth.  Which is why, I'm still messaging her.  If she never comes back, I am just throwing pennies into a wishing pond.  If she does come back, I did what I wanted to do, which is to support her no matter what. 

If she comes back asking for money, then sure I know for sure she is just scamming for money. If she never comes back, I guess I'll never know for sure and move on.

On her being too overly exposed to be a scammer I 100 percent agree with Boethius that no scammer will care about that. That is a big issue you have to come to terms with as believing that could leave you vulnerable to a scammer from the FSU in the future. It's not like the scamming we get by email or phone telling us we need to give our details as our Bank Account has been hacked bs. No, FSW will actively engage the intended victim to gain their trust and emotional leverage. They lose nothing by exposing themselves as their is no comeback for them as the authorities won't do anything against them, the authorities won't want to know if you contacted them, they will see it as entirely 'your' fault - you have no recourse against them. Even a court of law out there won't support you, they will say you have the money voluntarily and you'll lose your case, more money wasted. You really need to understand FSU culture/countries on that one RWO it's a basic understanding of their mindset out there.

That she is a scammer is where I part from Boe, while I can't say 100 percent that she is not a scammer, I am now thinking having weighed it all up that she just wasn't that into you. I think for sure as said you're right in that she wanted a provider and that is an important point. Many women in the FSU I believe will be open to men they aren't all that into but if they are a good provider then they will accept getting with them and going along with him, especially if they are into their children (which most FSW are) and their well-being is at stake.

Anyhow that brings me to another point that I think you need to understand also when a FSW (perhaps any woman) is fobbing you off. Many a FSW will tell a Porkie when it comes to offloading a guy. I'm afraid that this is likely what is happening here. She doesn't want to turn around and tell you to your face that she isn't interested in you. She can likely tell how into her you are and it's a pain and awkwardness she would rather not have to deal with. Hence the sudden Mother's illness, Isreal, don't have time for internet romancing anymore. Odds are you're at the end of a string of internet communications with other guys who in one way or another wasn't what she was looking for, she'll potentially get guys who want her to do online nudity, talk dirty, etc, etc. Possibly she might return to her profile a few weeks/months later, delete her profile & do a new one or just forget all about it - an online profile is no biggie to her they don't necessarily place any value in it. So it's just easier to end the communication (and hence the online 'relationship') with you the way she has.

Which brings me to Fdate, if you haven't already realised Fdate has an option in settings that you can select to have a copy off someone's message sent to your email. Possibly it might come up when you register as an option to choose, can't remember now but possibly. Anyway so if she has selected this then she will be able to see the message you sent in her emails, read the message but not have to log in to see the message. I have used this feature myself as often I wish to read a girl's message without being under pressure or wanting/able to spend the time writing back there and then. If a girl sees that you have read the message but haven't replied and particularly if you do so regularly without a good reason then she might think she's not that important/you're not that interested or start to think you're busy with some other girl lol so can be bad for her to see that potentially, not always but safer to login when ready to respond I think without not logging in for a significant time also obviously as that could be bad for you also if she thinks you're not that engaged.

So she's either getting your messages and can't be bothered replying or she can't be bothered to log on and left it believing you will get the message in the end and will move on. Either way I don't think she has any interest communicating further with you having left you with the, 'I don't have any wish to do dating as preoccupied with Mother' storyline. Harsh but it happens.

So yeah lastly is the 'support' issue that you think you have supported her. On that one I am very much with what Pat said earlier. You haven't really supported her, our western concept of supporting a person is different to the FSU concept of supporting a person. FSU people don't do support in terms of talk or sending flowers that is not support for them like it is for us. Support for them is either financially supporting someone or being there with them, being physically on hand for them and to help them out with any problem. We have developed a very airy fairy view of what supporting someone is over time I feel.

I just think overall RWO is that you made a number of mess ups along the way - a lot of them are natural mess ups that many newbies make so don't worry. Reading up on FSU dating beforehand is handy and there is a sticky near the top of the main forum homepage in here that can tell you a lot. A lot is also gained through experience which entails as you have done making mistakes, learning from them and unfortunately missing out and messing up potentially good relationships along the way. That's a real bummer so wherever possible it's good to read up in advance of communicating with FSW rather than risk more relationships get messed up. I think your main mistake here was the six month time wait before visiting, unless a girl is very engaged with you it's just asking for all sorts of bad news. So timing is important in this venture, timing can be everything so that's something for you to move forward with I think.
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« Reply #248 on: August 04, 2022, 10:44:32 PM »
The free e-book advertised at the top of the Forum homepage here, entitled, 'Men of the West, Women from the East' is I think still a pretty decent read and worth a browse through:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=ezportal;sa=page;p=47

Some of the other stuff here is a little more not so up to date so bear in mind it was advice given way back and stuff maybe different now. Some dating websites given aren't as good as they used to be. Some other advice goes back to when dating agencies (PPL - Pay Per Letter & Physical walk in agencies) were the main dating scene but no longer are or necessarily should be.
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« Reply #249 on: August 05, 2022, 04:24:47 AM »
When I mean support, I mean emotional and mental support only. I will not financially support anyone until I've met her, become a couple, and I am applying a K1 visa for her. 

I can see what Trenchcoat and everyone else is saying that she was setting me up for money.  I can totally see that could be the case.  The longer she blocks me, the longer it makes me feel that she isn't real or that she is no longer (Perhaps never was) interested.   

Thanks Trench, I read the information this morning and it's very interesting.
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