Trench's Questions and Philosophies

[Boethius]

Oh, so what prey tell do you think their position is at present in the FSU?

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of 8 UW in their thirties with children who remarried, to UM. Half of them had children with their second husbands, one, at age 43.  So, no need to "prey tell".

You have strange notions of FSUW, and my prediction is that because of this, long term, you will not have a successful relationship with one.

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[John Gaunt]

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of 8 UW in their thirties with children who remarried, to UM. Half of them had children with their second husbands, one, at age 43.  So, no need to "prey tell".


You have strange notions of FSUW, and my prediction is that because of this, long term, you will not have a successful relationship with one.


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He has strange notions about women, full stop.

[Trenchcoat]

Well, off the top of my head, I can think of 8 UW in their thirties with children who remarried, to UM. Half of them had children with their second husbands, one, at age 43.  So, no need to "prey tell".


You have strange notions of FSUW, and my prediction is that because of this, long term, you will not have a successful relationship with one.


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Sure some will get with a FSUM, UM or WM remarry and some may have kids with that second man. Let's face it some girls in their thirties even are still hotties. One of the reason many were chosen in the first place was because they are hot, not all but a fair few. The reason why the man is no longer around varies. Some women can swing it, often the more hotter ones into getting another guy.

However, even WM on dating sites often chose to screen out those with kids. Some see benefits in going for those girls already with kids. Others are sex tourists knowing that most of these girls are going to be good for it. They know that most of these girls will have resigned their position in life as being little more than a bum for sex with both WM and local men. For a small token gesture many will fall into this default position that becomes almost expected of them.

[John Gaunt]

Sure some will get with a FSUM, UM or WM remarry and some may have kids with that second man. Let's face it some girls in their thirties even are still hotties. One of the reason many were chosen in the first place was because they are hot, not all but a fair few. The reason why the man is no longer around varies. Some women can swing it, often the more hotter ones into getting another guy.

However, even WM on dating sites often chose to screen out those with kids. Some see benefits in going for those girls already with kids. Others are sex tourists knowing that most of these girls are going to be good for it. They know that most of these girls will have resigned their position in life as being little more than a bum for sex with both WM and local men. For a small token gesture many will fall into this default position that becomes almost expected of them.

And what are basing your views on?
Your vast experience with FSUW?

[Trenchcoat]

And what are basing your views on?
Your vast experience with FSUW?

I would refer you to the text 'Bang Ukraine' by Roosh.

[John Gaunt]

I would refer you to the text 'Bang Ukraine' by Roosh.

This only gets better and better.
So a so called PUA trash is what you’re following in your quest?
I’m even more convinced now that you’ll never be successful. I can’t, with all honesty, say I’m not pleased about that.

[Trenchcoat]

This only gets better and better.
So a so called PUA trash is what you’re following in your quest?
I’m even more convinced now that you’ll never be successful. I can’t, with all honesty, say I’m not pleased about that.

Info is info, doesn't mean it's source/outlook makes it irrelevant. I don't follow all of it as I'm after a different goal. Still I find he's pretty good on his analysis/objectifying of Ukrainian women.

[Boethius]

Sure some will get with a FSUM, UM or WM remarry and some may have kids with that second man. Let's face it some girls in their thirties even are still hotties. One of the reason many were chosen in the first place was because they are hot, not all but a fair few. The reason why the man is no longer around varies. Some women can swing it, often the more hotter ones into getting another guy.

However, even WM on dating sites often chose to screen out those with kids. Some see benefits in going for those girls already with kids. Others are sex tourists knowing that most of these girls are going to be good for it. They know that most of these girls will have resigned their position in life as being little more than a bum for sex with both WM and local men. For a small token gesture many will fall into this default position that becomes almost expected of them.

Not all the UW I know who remarried were "hot".  Half of them weren't.  So another Trench "theory" proven false.

Smart men don't look for the "hottest" woman they can land.  They look for one they are attracted to who has personal qualities that are desirable.  "Hotness" fades with time.  Character, if it is good, does not.

As for "Roosh", you do know that (a) he struck out in Ukraine, and (b) he lives in his mother's basement, correct?  Is that really someone you wish to emulate?


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[Trenchcoat]

Not all the UW I know who remarried were "hot".  Half of them weren't.  So another Trench "theory" proven false.

Smart men don't look for the "hottest" woman they can land.  They look for one they are attracted to who has personal qualities that are desirable.  "Hotness" fades with time.  Character, if it is good, does not.

As for "Roosh", you do know that (a) he struck out in Ukraine, and (b) he lives in his mother's basement, correct?  Is that really someone you wish to emulate?


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He had sex with a fellow language teacher at the language school he was teaching as he states it. He also gives the impression he dated and probably had sex with some others.

I know he lives in he's mothers basement, you showed me the link to the funny story about it, lol

No I don't seek to emulate him, I'm not a sex tourist but I don't think that him being one completely discredits he's info & what he discovered while there.

[2tallbill]

Bill you wrote about a certain age of woman and their desirability please could you define ages
etc.  I'd just like an insight to that culture.  Especially with a Ukraine  flavour and couch surfers.   
I just have my spider senses tingling.

James,

It's been a moving target and I've been out of the dating scene for 6 years now. It also depends
on other factors including to how hot the girl is, how much money, fame, property, children etc
she has.

Back when I met Angel Eyes I was seeking women from 38 years old and up. 99.9% of those
women were treated like milk past the expiration date. Maybe some glamorous singer or actress
would be part of the .1% That left a lot of beautiful, educated, intelligent, sexy, funny and interesting
women for me to pursue.

[Trenchcoat]

Only for the likes of you, Trenchie ..

You KEEP being told ... Most guys searching in the FSU have no problem pulling in their home country ...

You need to ask yourself , "Where am I going wrong?"

Start with your attitude / 'humour' ..

My attitude / 'humour' is not the problem. In general I would say it is down to the different priorities FSW have compared to UK girls. Basically for UK girls these days (and I'm talking about the decades past since you were dating UK women ) the top quality that will score you the most dates with decent looking girls is being socially extrovert. So being able to talk the talk compared to the FSU where being able to walk the walk is more important. In the FSU a guy who can provide and is intelligent is more important since its real bread and butter issues out there. A guy who's not an alcoholic, druggie, mental case, criminal, low life, etc is important in the FSU. A guy who's basically is reasonably loyal and won't drop dead at 30 from the above afflictions. A guy who comes from a society where you can get a decent pension in old age, decent state funded hospitals, etc and of course is available to the girl who finds too few guys around and has been burned by a good few of them.

The problem with UK society is that it doesn't punish the girl for going with the wrong type of guy. If she goes for Mr Dogs Bollocks and he swans off without her knowing who he was the state picks up the bill, not so in the FSU.

So for me the way UK girls are just doesn't at all suit the person I am. They are mostly all the same, they are most bothered about socialising and of course the hopping from bloke to bloke that goes with that. Dating UK women is generally a hopeless cause. The ones that aren't like that are usually undare able, either a string of mental health issues, humougously fat, or very uninspiring sorts.

[msmob]

My attitude / 'humour' is not the problem.

..and while you STILL feel that way .. despite lots of hints - you're not gonna make it happen..period

Most women want a friend / lover and to belong ... they aren't all Madonna-like social climbers

[Cameraguy]

My recommendation for anyone who's truly concerned about losing an FSU woman to the local competition after bringing her home would be to construct an inexpensive but comfortable basement dungeon, combined with an ankle bracelet/GPS tracker for an extra level of security and added peace of mind.

[John Gaunt]

My recommendation for anyone who's truly concerned about losing an FSU woman to the local competition after bringing her home would be to construct an inexpensive but comfortable basement dungeon, combined with an ankle bracelet/GPS tracker for an extra level of security and added peace of mind.

Trench has it all planned.

He’s going to chain her to the kitchen sink, get her up the duff repeatedly and deny her any opportunity to better herself.

[lyndontom]

So for me the way UK girls are just doesn't at all suit the person I am. They are mostly all the same, they are most bothered about socialising and of course the hopping from bloke to bloke that goes with that. Dating UK women is generally a hopeless cause. The ones that aren't like that are usually undare able, either a string of mental health issues, humougously fat, or very uninspiring sorts.

You're deluding yourself. You simply cannot pull a nice, good-looking British girl with personality, and yet you think you're going to get a 9 or a 10 in FSU.

Don't you have any friends who are happily married in the UK to attractive, non-fat, non-mental, non-hopeless causes? If no, then you have to ask yourself why. If yes, then you have to ask yourself why you haven't, and can't, get one.  You blame everyone else for your own misgivings.

[Trenchcoat]

I have expressed my regrets to Patagonie privately, and I do not wish to derail his thread, but I will make one comment.  A society does not change a person.  That person was malleable from the beginning.  You just didn't see who she really was.

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I don't think this is quite accurate. Think hippies & love in the 70s compared to yuppies, money & aids scares of the 80s.

Some people are malleable from the word go others conform to together society that they are in and what they know. I think in this case you are right that she was malleable. As I recall Pat telling us she was an Agency girl who he thought he got on well with and charmed, so much so that she was willing to leave her poor Ukrainian husband first him. He did not know sage was married at together time but had been told by the agency she was single. Correct me on any if this if I am wrong btw it's just from brief memory recall.

Now I know BillyB has often wisely told us on here that an agency girl is always an agency girl and that as such she generally has poor values, i.e malleable. Now of course it depends on if we're talking about dogdy agency or more straight up affair though of course if often difficult time distinguish between the two by the client. I think I vaguely recall Pat saying it may have been an agency where the girl gets a cut, i.e a dodgy one. Once in a while some guy beats  the system and that guy looked like Pat, until the news above came in.

I know how bad Pat must feel right now. I met a girl from Kherson who I thought was into me but now suspect her motives were not decent, it's still all a bit of an odd one so somewhat inconclusive. Anyway, main point is to guard what you can offer together girl and don't rush in wallet waving.

I personally still think that FSW are better kept in check in their own environment.

[Boethius]

The majority of women in Ukraine who are seeking foreigners are doing so to improve their lifestyles.  Love is secondary, or tertiary.  As for malleable, no, she wanted a lifestyle.

You have indicated, time and again, that you would move to the FSU because it hasn't been destroyed by "feminism".  But, Soviet women were feminists before WW were.  That changed with Stalin, however, in Russia and Ukraine, women always "ruled" the family, controlled family finances, etc.  This still often is the case.  In the end, were you to live there, you would find no difference in women.  But instead of wanting a Versace dress, or a new Mercedes, the woman is going to want what is valuable in her society.  That has nothing to do with feminism.


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[Jamesukjames]

In reply to tom there are better looking women in the f s u due to good genes . No macdonalds  and lots of ballet when they were younger and a healthy attitude to diet.  So supply and demand.   I drove round London all day to day and not a decent popa to be seen.    Also when looking at divorced women on my god are there prettier women than in London in the f s u.   More intelligent more family orientated.

[Trenchcoat]

The majority of women in Ukraine who are seeking foreigners are doing so to improve their lifestyles.  Love is secondary, or tertiary.  As for malleable, no, she wanted a lifestyle.

You have indicated, time and again, that you would move to the FSU because it hasn't been destroyed by "feminism".  But, Soviet women were feminists before WW were.  That changed with Stalin, however, in Russia and Ukraine, women always "ruled" the family, controlled family finances, etc.  This still often is the case.  In the end, were you to live there, you would find no difference in women.  But instead of wanting a Versace dress, or a new Mercedes, the woman is going to want what is valuable in her society.  That has nothing to do with feminism.


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A lot of women looking for a western man probably do, do it for a better lifestyle. For WM such as myself it merely brings up a pool of women to meet up with. From that the quest becomes finding one with natural chemistry. I now know many girls try to fake being into a guy just to get a better lifestyle. However, if I find a girl with natural chemistry with me then all other original wants over life style become less pressing, even negligible. In the UK I would not have access to the same quantity or quality of women as in the FSU so much so that it's a non starter in the UK.

If a girl wants what is valuable in Ukraine then it'll be nice and cheap for me

[Jamesukjames]

I've had relationships with 8s in UK but they are hard to find in the f s u there is a massive supply

[Patagonie]

This only gets better and better.
So a so called PUA trash is what you’re following in your quest?
I’m even more convinced now that you’ll never be successful. I can’t, with all honesty, say I’m not pleased about that.

NB : Roosh had never been a PUA

[Boethius]

In reply to tom there are better looking women in the f s u due to good genes . No macdonalds  and lots of ballet when they were younger and a healthy attitude to diet.  So supply and demand.   I drove round London all day to day and not a decent popa to be seen.    Also when looking at divorced women on my god are there prettier women than in London in the f s u.   More intelligent more family orientated.

Those sound like environmental, rather than genetic factors.  Ballet does not keep one slim, as it is not aerobic.  The better half worked at the Kyiv Ballet for a while, left because the environment was "rotten", even by Soviet standards.  He said the ballerinas all starved themselves - from stars to the corps de ballet - and all smoked like demons to suppress their appetites.

No, FSUW are not "more intelligent" than women from other countries, and I dare say, I have spent a lot more time around FSU individuals than have you.  Intellectual intelligence is spread fairly equally around the world.  What is not is access to education.

If a girl wants what is valuable in Ukraine then it'll be nice and cheap for me

Sure, if you are living in Ukraine.  But I doubt rather strongly you could live long term in that society. 

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[Patagonie]

I don't think this is quite accurate. Think hippies & love in the 70s compared to yuppies, money & aids scares of the 80s.

Some people are malleable from the word go others conform to together society that they are in and what they know. I think in this case you are right that she was malleable. As I recall Pat telling us she was an Agency girl who he thought he got on well with and charmed, so much so that she was willing to leave her poor Ukrainian husband first him. He did not know sage was married at together time but had been told by the agency she was single. Correct me on any if this if I am wrong btw it's just from brief memory recall.

Now I know BillyB has often wisely told us on here that an agency girl is always an agency girl and that as such she generally has poor values, i.e malleable. Now of course it depends on if we're talking about dogdy agency or more straight up affair though of course if often difficult time distinguish between the two by the client. I think I vaguely recall Pat saying it may have been an agency where the girl gets a cut, i.e a dodgy one. Once in a while some guy beats  the system and that guy looked like Pat, until the news above came in.

I know how bad Pat must feel right now. I met a girl from Kherson who I thought was into me but now suspect her motives were not decent, it's still all a bit of an odd one so somewhat inconclusive. Anyway, main point is to guard what you can offer together girl and don't rush in wallet waving.

I personally still think that FSW are better kept in check in their own environment.

Ex wifey cames from an agency and i don't think she got a cut from this agency. The agency pretended her to be single (did she know that ex wifey was married or not? who knows). Her ex husband was not poor by ukrainian standard but not rich, he owned a car and could have some money.
The agency was not dodgy, quite the oppposite. She had been in the past caught cheating with correspondance but i was not having any correspondance with any woman. The agency was surely not a white angel also but not all the girls wanted to see me which is good sign and i gave in my early posts how they looked during the meeting compare to the site profile. I took all phone numbers of women i choose without problem and communicate with them without problem.
My wife was absolutely into me and very jealous in the beginning no doubt about this. When she derailled i detected this from the first hours and got sure in one week that something was wrong, knowing with whom and having all needed proofs.

The western system offers too much to women in divorce where ever she comes, without any obligations. Rights but no obligations.

As Bo said her roots got her back to the rotten way and she didn't take the chance to find her chance and her track on this new life, new country, with new habits. Bad habits came back when she started to spend a lot of time with the local slavic community : a disaster. 

Trench : "I personally still think that FSW are better kept in check in their own environment"That's what i do also believe, but many of us have to leave in their country. So you don't have any choice : you should marry her to live with her.

[Boethius]

Trench : "I personally still think that FSW are better kept in check in their own environment"That's what i do also believe, but many of us have to leave in their country. So you don't have any choice : you should marry her to live with her.

You can't keep women "in check".  She is going to be who she is.  The environment she lives in at a given moment has zero to do with who she is.  Again, you are hunting wolves, and then expect them to automatically become sheep.  If you want a sheep, look for one.  Don't hunt a wolf and then expect her to live against her nature.

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[ML]

In reply to tom there are better looking women in the f s u due to good genes . No macdonalds  and lots of ballet when they were younger and a healthy attitude to diet.  So supply and demand.   I drove round London all day to day and not a decent popa to be seen.    Also when looking at divorced women on my god are there prettier women than in London in the f s u.   More intelligent more family orientated.

You are wrong on 'almost' all of your points.
1)There are plenty of McDonald's there.
2) Ballet doesn't do anything for figure.
3) The diet there is terrible, heavy on fats, etc.
4) They are not more intelligent and family oriented.

The nice asses and shapes you see there are due to walking a lot including walking up and down stairs, and eating less food (even as theirs is unhealthy).

But bring them West and this situation will disappear, without a lot of extra willpower of the woman.