Where to bring up Children?

[Boethius]

Indeed BC, that's why it's imperative to get her pregnant early on  before decadent western feminist society works it's evil.

Likewise I believe as any children grow up it would be important to take them on a few trips in the FSU to give them experience of how men and women should be so that feminist society is not all they come to know. Females in particular need to be put in the frame I believe. As a girl approaches her teenage years seeing how women dress more feminine in the FSU would serve her well I think. Nice dresses, skirts and tops that show off her boobs is how teenage girls need to be socialised.

I've been speaking to relatives in Ukraine the past week.  Unfortunately for you, Trench, all of them are making more than double your current income.  One is making $250 per day, not related to his education.  All of them have apartments, a few, state owned, meaning they are not responsible for any repairs, and those apartments are transferable to their children on death.  They also have dachas.  So your idea that you can con entice a woman to marry you, based on all the material things you can provide her that a UM can't, is delusional.

Women in Ukraine dress more provocatively not because they are not "feminist", but because the idea of a woman is different, and her shelf life isn't as long. If she wants a marriage, she needs to attract attention.  Furthermore, unlike your country, where rape is pretty common, it is not particularly common in the Slavic republics of the FSU.  That factors in to how women dress.


Ask most FSUM how much they "rule" their wives before assuming FSUW are compliant little housewives, living for nothing but to serve their men.

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[Trenchcoat]

I've been speaking to relatives in Ukraine the past week.  Unfortunately for you, Trench, all of them are making more than double your current income.  One is making $250 per day, not related to his education.  All of them have apartments, a few, state owned, meaning they are not responsible for any repairs, and those apartments are transferable to their children on death.  They also have dachas.  So your idea that you can con entice a woman to marry you, based on all the material things you can provide her that a UM can't, is delusional.

Women in Ukraine dress more provocatively not because they are not "feminist", but because the idea of a woman is different, and her shelf life isn't as long. If she wants a marriage, she needs to attract attention.  Furthermore, unlike your country, where rape is pretty common, it is not particularly common in the Slavic republics of the FSU.  That factors in to how women dress.


Ask most FSUM how much they "rule" their wives before assuming FSUW are compliant little housewives, living for nothing but to serve their men.

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Boethius are you telling me $250 per day is commonplace in Ukraine?

I assume we are talking after all expenses. Now I'm sure some people are making that, even some women. Remember though a lot of women work in low or very low paid jobs. Some will have the education for higher paid jobs but still aren't able to get in.

Kherson girl for example earned $180 a month in retail approximately. Particularly out in provincial cities in Ukraine this is probably typical. There are no doubt many girls in Ukraine like this. Those that are making way more aren't likely to be wanting to leave Ukraine or look for a guy abroad, though some might if they have had no luck at home.

I personally don't think I would fit in well with a woman earning a lot of money nor they with me. I do however think that I would be attracted to a woman who is not earning a lot. I just feel more comfortable in that socio-economic group as I find them more down to earth though of course that's not saying there wouldn't be any problems.

I would suggest that rapes occur less in the FSU because of the lack of feminism. Feminism causes the problem it seeks to irradicate. FSUM get what they want anyway and more importantly women grow up wanting men. If the women are going after the men at a younger age than in the west as marriage figures suggest the men don't need to target them, it the men who are being targeted

[Boethius]

Your theories on rape are laughable.  Rape is far more prevalent in African countries, not exactly bastions of feminist thought, than they are anywhere else (with the exception of Sweden).


What women earn in Ukraine is irrelevant.  You have continually expounded the theory that you will find a mate based on poverty in Ukraine.  While many Ukrainians are indeed poor, they are not desperate.  They have many opportunities now that they did not have on the collapse of the USSR.  A woman who is looking to marry her way out of the country is one who is not going to stay with her mule.  A woman (or man) who truly wishes to leave Ukraine will do so on their own.  They don't need a spouse to escape Ukraine.


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[Steamer]

Where to bring up Children?

Not sure if this is still the topic but anyway:

My wife was quite successful in Moscow. She wanted to go immigrate to Europe so her son would have a better life. The US was not on her original choice list but became glad that she made that choice (me too).

[Trenchcoat]

Where to bring up Children?

Not sure if this is still the topic but anyway:

My wife was quite successful in Moscow. She wanted to go immigrate to Europe so her son would have a better life. The US was not on her original choice list but became glad that she made that choice (me too).

Quite, I don't mind if the topic wanders here or there though, lol.

For sure I think the US (minus feminism) is a great society with a lot of opportunity. I'm sure in the right place someone could really enjoy themselves in the US and do well. I'm guessing her son had learnt Russian by that time though, maybe even English? Probably already familiar with Russian society a bit so just assimilating into US society being the main deal?

I'm kind of intrigued at women that aren't interested in guys from the US on the outset. Kherson girl for some reason was only interested in UK or European guys. She had apparently been in a relationship with a Swedish guy a short time so I'm guessing European guys were alright for her. US guys apparently not so. I know she said she knew a work aquaintance in the UK who had met a UK guy and moved there. I'm not sure if that was it though. My thoughts are maybe it's the welfare state in the UK and elsewhere in Europe. In the UK the State Pension is pretty generous and pretty easy to qualify for. It won't make for a luxurious lifestyle but there won't be any cat food eating on it either unless that is the preferential food of choice.

[msmob]

I'm kind of intrigued at women that aren't interested in guys from the US

The bollox they are fed on state media ..

[Trenchcoat]

The bollox they are fed on state media ..

Really? I'm surprised, what like?

I would kind of expect a bit of anti-US sentiment on Russian state media but Ukraine? I kind of thought Ukraine sees the US as an ally.

With Russia there was the poisoning stuff in the UK happening no doubt souring relations so I would be surprised if they liked UK anymore than the US.

[msmob]

Sorry, I meant RU TV... In Kherson they can get RU tv from Crimea

[Trenchcoat]

Sorry, I meant RU TV... In Kherson they can get RU tv from Crimea

For sure but why then would a Ukrainian girl not want US guy but want a UK guy?

[msmob]

But does she FEEL Ukrainian ? ..

[Trenchcoat]

But does she FEEL Ukrainian ? ..

Feel Ukrainian?

Well she's a Russian speaking Ukrainian, maybe she might see herself as more Russian than Ukrainian. I learned she had Russian relatives in Russia. I get the impression her parents are probably Russian speaking as well, that type of area I guess.

I know she had no qualms about leaving behind those she knew in Ukraine when I questioned her, that I felt strange and wondered why.

Still I'm not sure why she wouldn't want a US guy as a result but a UK guy was ok.

[krimster2]

Putin and Trump operate from the same playbook
when they turn to the chapter on "Handling Pandemics"
it says, in the short term, "declare the Pandemic over and things will return to normal"
and in the long term secretly prepare the military for mass social unrest

so one day America really will look like Russia
and THEN Russia will look like America
we're already firmly down the path

[Steamer]

For sure but why then would a Ukrainian girl not want US guy but want a UK guy?

Most women feel that going to the US would cut them off from everything since it's on the other side of the planet. UK and Europe are closer to home and not as 'different'.

[Trenchcoat]

Most women feel that going to the US would cut them off from everything since it's on the other side of the planet. UK and Europe are closer to home and not as 'different'.

Yeah I think it would probably be something more along those lines. The US is a long flight away that would cost a lot if ever she wanted back or ran into trouble. The welfare state the UK and a lot of Europe has might also feature as well. I don't think she really ever saw working for the better money as a draw as I don't think she is very work orientated, she's more thinks that's the man's job. I'm fine with that but the set up needs to be right to support it or it can be pretty burdensome on the guy potentially I reckon.

[2tallbill]

I'm kind of intrigued at women that aren't interested in guys from the US on the outset.

Some girls think that the distances involved are too much.
From Germany for example they could take buses or trains to see
Mamma when they get homesick. That's a little bit tougher from
Oz, NZ, Canada or the USA.

If you find a good girl, she will go anywhere to be with you.
Angel Eyes knowingly and intentionally moved to North Dakota
to be with me.

[ML]

Angel Eyes knowingly and intentionally moved to North Dakota to be with me.

Yes, but maybe she thought it was a northern county in Florida.

[ML]

Some girls think that the distances involved are too much.
From Germany for example they could take buses or trains to see Mamma when they get homesick. That's a little bit tougher from Oz, NZ, Canada or the USA.

On the other hand; it can be helpful to the continuation of the marriage that the woman (or man) not be able to easily 'run home to Mamma' after marital squabbles.

In my first marriage, we were both from the same town in the Midwest and lived in the Los Angeles area, and we were extremely poor for many years . . . couldn't even afford telephone service.

Had we lived in our hometown . . . our marriage would not have lasted a year . . . because of easy ability to 'run home to Momma.'

[2tallbill]

Yes, but maybe she thought it was a northern county in Florida.

She visited me in North Dakota twice before getting married.

[ML]

She visited me in North Dakota twice before getting married.

I was just trying to be funny . . . as you know.
I often leave out the smiley face because then the humor is more 'dry,'  for those who get it.  :-)

[2tallbill]

While many Ukrainians are indeed poor, they are not desperate.  They have many opportunities now that they did not have on the collapse of the USSR.  A woman who is looking to marry her way out of the country is one who is not going to stay with her mule.  A woman (or man) who truly wishes to leave Ukraine will do so on their own.  They don't need a spouse to escape Ukraine.


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There are Ukrainian women that are desperate and my advice is not
to get romantically involved with desperate women. The problem with
desperate women is that they tend to act desperately and when they
are no longer desperate they tend to act normally.

Trench is hoping for a shortcut, a magic potion, a secret method, a
special formula that would land him a young hottie that will be happy
living around the poverty line and showering him with love and affection.

I have a hot wife who showers me with love and attention. I get that
a man wants that, I certainly do.

There is no secret path. Here is the path for all to see. 
1. Find a good girl who is into you because all success depends on that.
2. Once a man finds a good girl he has to win her heart.
3. Then he has to marry her a be a great husband* 

There is no Shangri-La or Elysian Fields in some country like Belarus,
but there are many good girls scattered all around Eastern Europe all
one has to do is to find ONE who likes you and is into you.

Trench is wasting his time trying to find a Themyscira filled with Gal
Gadots that he can pick and choose from. That place doesn't exist.



*Being a great husband is a good topic for it's own thread.

[2tallbill]

I was just trying to be funny . . . as you know.
I often leave out the smiley face because then the humor is more 'dry,'  for those who get it.  :-)

I wasn't taking you seriously, just information for the newbies who don't
know my story.

[Steamer]

There is no Shangri-La or Elysian Fields in some country like Belarus,
but there are many good girls scattered all around Eastern Europe all
one has to do is to find ONE who likes you and is into you.

So the 'Island of Bare Naked Beach Bunnies' is just a myth??
Say it ain't so.

[krimster2]

have ya’ll ever noticed how back in the old days of wooden sailing ships
that they sometimes had a carved wooden icon image of a woman on the bow of the vessel?

today, on your 35‘ boat on the Moscva
instead of a wooden woman
you have a “sales associate”
who pours drinks
and lets you eat sushi off her body

sweet as honey

pretty much every 35' plus vessel has either a topless woman with visibly rock hard nipples as their cruise speed is 15+ knots or a completely naked woman!
I mean OMG!!!
the amount of naked women you will see on boats, on the shore, etc....
you will EASILY see 30 totally hot looking naked Russian chicks
during an afternoon on the river!!!
damn!!!

“In your mind because of your personal values.”

yeah, I’m a cynic...
who believes that people are REALLY ONLY concerned with their OWN interests...
yeah, how radical, huh?

Washington and Jefferson were both part of the colonial oligarchy
they were colonial America’s 1%
they had a dog in this fight
increasing local control and taxation and reducing regulation
or maintaining London’s Industrial, Taxation, control and profit over them
didn’t matter to some corn farmer or black smith
who they paid taxes to or the color of the uniforms
so long as they kept the French and the natives away!
Chic Alors!

manipulation of National Symbols
for political use....
is always how the 1% gets the 99% to do the fighting for them
by controlling the narrative
Gator is a perfect example of someone who has been TOTALLY brainwashed
by taking all the National Myths as being Real
they’re “Fairy Tales”
Fighting For Freedom
is like
Fighting For Peace

[msmob]

pretty much every 35' plus vessel has either a topless woman with visibly rock hard nipples as their cruise speed is 15+ knots or a completely naked woman!
I mean OMG!!!
the amount of naked women you will see on boats, on the shore, etc....
you will EASILY see 30 totally hot looking naked Russian chicks
during an afternoon on the river!!!
damn!!!

STOP !

What is this all promotion of iron top-sailed craft with naked ladies ....?

FAR better, to be on a yacht ( 'sail-boat')  with aquamarine seas and the afternoon sea breeze having some of the same 'side effects' you suggest ... auto-helm and anti-collision warnings set... FAR less noisy, but less company.. if the skipper gets overly frustrated ..



Certainly no children on board ..

[Trenchcoat]

have ya’ll ever noticed how back in the old days of wooden sailing ships
that they sometimes had a carved wooden icon image of a woman on the bow of the vessel?

today, on your 35‘ boat on the Moscva
instead of a wooden woman
you have a “sales associate”
who pours drinks
and lets you eat sushi off her body

sweet as honey

pretty much every 35' plus vessel has either a topless woman with visibly rock hard nipples as their cruise speed is 15+ knots or a completely naked woman!
I mean OMG!!!
the amount of naked women you will see on boats, on the shore, etc....
you will EASILY see 30 totally hot looking naked Russian chicks
during an afternoon on the river!!!
damn!!!

Wow, Krim, that's a great photo I couldn't be more envious! I wish I were there, would love to have all that going on around me and be a part of it