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Rendezvous with a Russian(Ukrainian) woman - ettiquette?
« on: January 29, 2005, 10:02:48 PM »
Okay, let's say I get to that point of this adventure where
Larisa and I agree to meet in Kyiv, which is not her home city.
How should I set up the hotel accomodations? It's tricky.
Should I just discuss it beforehand, in the course of our emails?
How should I handle it? What are most couples doing?
Maybe I should tell her that I'll get one room with two beds
and if the chemistry is not very good, then I'll be a total
gentleman.  Any advice?    -doug in AZ

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« Reply #1 on: January 29, 2005, 10:50:09 PM »
Why don't you ask her and go with her wishes.    I was the second amererican my gal from Donetsk met in kiev.   I get her a room of her own.   The first guy got a room with two beds and she was scared to death and never slept a minute.    I offered antoher gal from Starvapol who I brought to Moscow her own room and she said no way, she wanted to spend all the time with me she could and wanted to be in the same room with me.

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« Reply #2 on: January 30, 2005, 02:51:45 AM »
With both meeting first time in another city it's probably best to go with two rooms.  It's easy to cancel a room but might be hard to get another one at the last minute.

If you met her in her home the first night would also likely be separate..

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« Reply #3 on: January 30, 2005, 06:31:42 AM »
Hey cameraguy.
 
I think you only have three options. One, you get her a hotel room,  two, you get her a one bedroom flat for herself and three, you get a three room flat, which is a flat with two seperate bedrooms.
 
But before you get the two bedroom flat you must ask her and get her permission. If you have communicated with this lady for say close to 2-months and she has built a sincere interest in you, then chances are she will be ok with a two bedroom flat. If you have been communicating a month or less she may have problems with staying in the same flat.
 
If you get her a one bedroom flat then make sure it is very close to your own flat which is not too hard to do.
 
And as all Russian/Ukraine women are different, their are no set rules to anything. These are just my opinions based on a little experience.

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« Reply #4 on: January 30, 2005, 07:12:54 AM »
Quote from: cameraguy
Okay, let's say I get to that point of this adventure where
Larisa and I agree to meet in Kyiv, which is not her home city.
How should I set up the hotel accomodations? It's tricky.
Should I just discuss it beforehand, in the course of our emails?
How should I handle it? What are most couples doing?
Maybe I should tell her that I'll get one room with two beds
and if the chemistry is not very good, then I'll be a total
gentleman. Any advice? -doug in AZ

Hi Doug,

 Why not meet in her home city? There is where you will learn the most about your FSU woman. It's very beneficial to see her in her own turf, meet her family, and her friends, and see what kind of a routine she has, if you have written to her much beforehand it is a chance for you to see if what she has written to you matches up with her actions in real life.

  Yes discuss accomadations with her beforehand, but not hotel... ask if she can help you get a flat to rent, most girls are happy to do this , it is a small apartment with a kitchen so she can cook meals for the both of you on occasion. In most cases this is much cheaper than a hotel room too.  You should Assume she will be staying in the same flat with you, unless she tells you otherwise.  Also  this is not American girls, usually they have no problem in staying in the same apartment as a man if they are comfortable with him, (this does not mean she will sleep in the same bed with you... assume renting only one flat, but mention up front you will be happy to take the sofa, and she can have the bed, this will put her at ease and affords opportunities later if things go well.)  if you have any reasonable level of familiararity with her this should be no problem, time is of the essense here, so separate accomadations only slows down the process of getting to know her.

  I corresponded with my RW for a long time, she trusted me and living in the same flat was what she wanted to do,  I asked her if she could get a flat to rent and she told me: "no problem I will get US a flat"  When we got to our flat my RW said: "Dave, There will be NO SEX!, you will sleep on left side of bed, and I will sleep on right side., and you will stay on your side." (they will spell out what they want, but this left opportunities for us later if things worked out.) Good Luck Dave

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« Reply #5 on: January 30, 2005, 07:50:28 AM »
Dave,
Larisa suggested that we meet in Kyiv or Odesa, but said
her home city of Mariupol would be alright if that's what
I wanted. I think she thinks it would be more fun to be
away from (her) home, like away on a vacation.

I'll think about the two bedroom flat idea. That makes sense.
I'll know her pretty well before we meet.  ...I hope there's
chemistry.   -doug

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« Reply #6 on: January 30, 2005, 08:58:00 AM »
Thanks to all for the feedback and suggestions.
Can anyone recommend a particular 2 bedroom flat in Kyiv?
-doug

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« Reply #7 on: February 04, 2005, 08:06:04 PM »
contact jack, he'll set you up

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« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2005, 10:56:34 AM »
I am brand new to this board so forgive a stupid question. Who is Jack?

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« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2005, 11:38:43 AM »
Hey!! you don't know Jack!!  I couldn't refuse:D
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« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2005, 12:15:45 PM »
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I am brand new to this board so forgive a stupid question. Who is Jack?


Jack Bragg is the owner of FirstDream and a frequent contributor to the board.

You can reach him by sending a PM to 'Jack'.

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« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2005, 11:02:49 PM »
FWIW, a flat in her home town would be the idea solution to this problem.  Now that you have established a phone call connection with this woman, when you meet you will want to develop the relationship as rapidly as possible.  She might like a vacation in Odessa or Kyiv but you might want to save the vacation spots for a later visit.  

Right now you are not taking a vacation, you are on a mission.

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« Reply #12 on: February 13, 2023, 10:42:30 AM »
This is an old thread from 2005 but newbies still ask. 
The question was asked in a visit one scenario. 

Okay, let's say I get to that point of this adventure where
Larisa and I agree to meet in Kyiv, which is not her home city.
How should I set up the hotel accomodations? It's tricky.
Should I just discuss it beforehand, in the course of our emails?
How should I handle it? What are most couples doing?
Maybe I should tell her that I'll get one room with two beds
and if the chemistry is not very good, then I'll be a total
gentleman.  Any advice?    -doug in AZ

For those in the seminary................. this isn't for you.

My advice is for normal adult men who are not seminary students.
Before getting on a plane, I tell the FSUW what color of panties she
should wear to the airport and I always tell her that she won't be
wearing them for long.

Get an apartment, not a hotel arrive expecting to curl her toes. This is
assuming that you have some level of chemistry and that she doesn't
run screaming away from you when she first sees you at the airport.

Visiting one is a high risk/high reward situation. If you have chemistry
you might require an IV to replace the fluids you lost having sex. If you
don't have any chemistry then you need to go to your backup plan ASAP.

Your backup plan should be to continue as if your trip was a visit many
and try to meet as many prospects as possible.

Do not rent a separate room, or bed. Either she will be sleeping naked
with you in your bed or you will have the apartment all to yourself.

That's my two kopecks,
Bill
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Just kiss the girl, don't ask her first. Tolerate NO excuses!

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Re: Rendezvous with a Russian(Ukrainian) woman - ettiquette?
« Reply #13 on: February 13, 2023, 08:50:20 PM »
Big Bill, I think you were a little over the top.

I always rented an apartment with two separate sleeping areas.  That usually meant one in a bedroom and one on fold out sofa in a living room.

I always told the gals there would be two separate sleeping areas.

Never once did a gal refuse to stay in the apartment.  Mostly we did sleep in different rooms on first night, but not always.

But a lot of different reactions from the gals.  When I showed one gal the separate bedroom, she said: I am not a prostitute to sleep in a separate room.  Didn't quite make sense, but she meant she wanted to sleep with me.

Another gal opted for the sofa, but when I stopped to kiss her on cheek before going to bedroom, she said:  Won't you be lonely by yourself?

Another gal slept in separate bedroom (there were two).  But early next morning she called my name.  When I went to her room she said:  I want you . . . get in.

Many other situations, but it is late now.
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Re: Rendezvous with a Russian(Ukrainian) woman - ettiquette?
« Reply #14 on: February 13, 2023, 10:34:30 PM »
Hey cameraguy.

I think you only have three options. One, you get her a hotel room,  two, you get her a one bedroom flat for herself and three, you get a three room flat, which is a flat with two seperate bedrooms.

But before you get the two bedroom flat you must ask her and get her permission. If you have communicated with this lady for say close to 2-months and she has built a sincere interest in you, then chances are she will be ok with a two bedroom flat. If you have been communicating a month or less she may have problems with staying in the same flat.

If you get her a one bedroom flat then make sure it is very close to your own flat which is not too hard to do.

And as all Russian/Ukraine women are different, their are no set rules to anything. These are just my opinions based on a little experience.

Jack probably has the best advice, but I don't disagree with 2tall.
Good women are not cheap
Cheap women are not good
(but they can be a lot of fun)

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« Reply #15 on: February 14, 2023, 10:00:58 AM »
yes, always follow Miss Manner's advice about the importance of politeness

before: please, can I haz sex with you?
after: thank you!!

you really need to read the account of the Marquis DeSade when he was in Russia and bought a young Russian serf girl
and his vivid description of how he removed all her clothing and explored every inch of her body...
this is what I used to do with simple Ukrainian village girls that I learned how to "acquire" in Ukraine

the problem with you guys is you still think like westerners with a western morality
but this is not the only "WAY OF DOING THINGS" out there
there are OTHER WAYS, like the ones DeSade found and that I used to copy from (seek inspiration from)
follow these rules, and you can do stuff in Ukraine with NO negative consequences that you could only DREAM about doing in the USA and take eroticism to a whole new level
in other words, the antithesis of Bee Farmer (notorius seed spillin' fool)
« Last Edit: February 14, 2023, 10:04:15 AM by krimster2 »

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Re: Rendezvous with a Russian(Ukrainian) woman - ettiquette?
« Reply #16 on: February 14, 2023, 02:11:08 PM »
My etiquette tip of the day:

Regardless of what you decide about sleeping arrangements, get a professional manicure before your first real date.

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« Reply #17 on: February 14, 2023, 03:04:45 PM »
My etiquette tip of the day:

Regardless of what you decide about sleeping arrangements, get a professional manicure before your first real date.

Hey . . . are you hinting about some sort of digit event ?? !!!

This is not the type of  forum where such should be discussed !!
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Re: Rendezvous with a Russian(Ukrainian) woman - ettiquette?
« Reply #18 on: February 15, 2023, 12:32:32 AM »
ML,

I've noted that many women I've dated, along with other signs like playing with their hair and long eye contact, seem to pay special attention to my hands, sometimes complimenting how they look or feel.  Believe it or not, hands can be an erogenous zone, especially palms, when kissed.

Try complimenting a woman's hands or nails, and they'll often proudly offer them to you for closer inspection.  Don't pass up the opportunity. Done right, she'll melt on the spot.  ;) 

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Re: Rendezvous with a Russian(Ukrainian) woman - ettiquette?
« Reply #19 on: February 15, 2023, 01:30:36 AM »
Interesting that CG was knocking around on here back in 2005 and is still trying to find a girl.

For me I've made the mistake of not visiting a girl's home city from the get go so I would try to avoid that mistake again. Not saying it couldn't work not doing that but I found it can be like putting a stumbling block to trip yourself up on where you needn't. Not visiting a girl's home city first can really risk screwing up a good relationship I feel.

With Accommodation always sort it yourself, not the girl or anyone else. Being there and in the hands of someone else is not a good idea. Being Independent as possible I found is usually best.

I would imagine having accommodation with a girl where there is no chemistry might get awkward so probably some sort of solution on that needed, i.e send her home, accomodation with a couch, etc. I've paid for a separate hotel room for the first girl I met, she asked for it. With hindsight not the best situation as the whole point is to get together. I can understand it being less awkward if no chemistry but it just doesn't set things up quiet right in my view. That and it may show a girl who is a bit moralistic/uptight sexually but it depends what one wants I guess. I think in the event of a girl asking for a separate room and me still being eager to meet her I think ML's idea of a two bed apartment is best. If she is not keen on that then it perhaps should be a no go with her.

I think batting off on trying to get her into a single bedroom with you from the get go is probably the way to go. You lose nothing by trying (as in the West) if she knocks it back but can win big if you hit it off. Even if you don't so long as she's attractive then sleeping in the same bed without sexis no big issue. If finding you don't fancy it on arrival an apartment or hotel suite with a couch is probably a good idea.
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Re: Rendezvous with a Russian(Ukrainian) woman - ettiquette?
« Reply #20 on: February 15, 2023, 08:56:32 AM »
ML, I've noted that many women I've dated, along with other signs like playing with their hair and long eye contact, seem to pay special attention to my hands, sometimes complimenting how they look or feel. 

I preformed a substantial amount of work in building my house; but I mostly always wore gloves. And I used hand cream mostly every day. Thus my hands did not look like the typical manual laborer.

A few FSU gals questioned my claim of this substantial work after viewing my hands.
Perhaps they even questioned my masculinity after my explanation (gloves/hand cream); but it never seemed to affect our relationship.
A beautiful woman is pleasant to look at, but it is easier to live with a pleasant acting one.

 

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