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Title: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 06:14:25 AM



I've have a friend named John I've known for 15 years. We've had diner together a number of times. I got to meet his wife a few years ago, a real doll. He is a real nice guy and she is sweet as they come. Both seem to love each other very much. They've been married several years. No green card issues to worry about. Long past that nonsense.


So he tells me last night he is in a bit trouble at his work (He works for the county). Apparently there was a get together for the employees and their wives and husbands. About 60 people in all showed up. He brings his wife 'R'. Except for the union steward no one had ever met her before.


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They look at me twice as they are not used to seeing me, and at that location as well, and who is the pretty girl? The senior managers are looking her up, the recently divorced blonde engineer was all frazzled, even managed to take some photos of us on the sneak for some evil purpose and showed them to my workgroup on my day off, asking questions, digging for gossip, etc.


"One of the newer service workers is Filipino, a nice hard working guy but bad English, people think Jose' is Mexican and he apologies for his bad English but knows his job and pulls his weight so there isn't much to talk [to him] about anyways. So Jose and R got the Filipino bind and language going on, the 58 other white folks are looking at us like "what the hell?""


"After that, a new division of coldness came at the office, saying HI whenever I pass someone in the hallway has always been my thing to be friendly and polite and usually returned with a Hi or Hello, but not much anymore, and apart from the secretary, none of the women will say hi back, not that they have to, but then they got in their huddles and talked about "that guy" which I heard when passing by the engineering office. Stuck up jealous American women. So now I am really misunderstood, is he a sex trafficker? Dirty old man with a younger Asian?"

He gets an early retirement next year. Government workers have that advantage. I told him to be really careful till then. I also told him to consult with an attorney ASAP. 


She just turned 30 years old. She is 4 feet 6 inches tall (137 cm). One of the most petite women I've ever known. Again, really sweet.


(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1862/29884959997_04bbcbed0b.jpg)



Maybe I should give up on my '45 years old on up' age requirement?
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 07:23:51 AM
Johnny should be fine...she has declared her ever- lasting love for him.....
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 07:35:52 AM
Johnny should be fine...she has declared her ever- lasting love for him.....


And in more places than what you noticed. The tattoo on her shoulder is a symbol of his last name.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: rwd123 on September 21, 2018, 07:52:52 AM
I met a Ukrainian woman who lived in Canada for a year. She said the Canadian women were outright hostile towards her and jealous because of her femininity. Good looking too.

It's the kind of thing as a guy you're simply not aware of unless you see it first hand or told by someone who experienced it.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 08:05:09 AM
I met a Ukrainian woman who lived in Canada for a year. She said the Canadian women were outright hostile towards her and jealous because of her femininity. Good looking too.

It's the kind of thing as a guy you're simply not aware of unless you see it first hand or told by someone who experienced it.


This story sort of fits in with the Kavanaugh story with the feminist hysteria going on right now. My story is from the "Land of 10,000 Lakes" (Minnesota). I told him;


"John, we are in perilous times right now. The rabid hatred of Donald Trump and his foreign born wife many years younger than him makes YOU a target. Jealous liberal women and stupid liberal men must be a very high percentage of the employees at a government workplace, especially in liberal Minnesota."


Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 08:26:12 AM
:))

Aren't the libtards' the one's who are supposed 'to be soft on immigration' and forgiving and welcoming ? ...  Seems they can't win in your eyes, Maxx  :D

Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: GQBlues on September 21, 2018, 08:52:15 AM
IMHO, my experience with this in general is the opposite. For one, I am fortunate to have had a healthy amount of female friends that welcomed and befriended my wife when she first came. Even her AW peers today had never given her any feelings of negativity. She's treated like any other. A lot of them, even the ones she/we don't know, openly compliments her on her looks that's usually opened by asking if she's a model.


She gets a lot more 'negativity', personality-wise from her FSUW circle. When she first arrived what I easily noticed - and my wife and her friends too as well - is the condescending look cast upon them by expats upon learning they came here via the MOB route.


I will go out on a limb and say it could be that is it not so much about 'jealousy', but rather the 'oddity' of many of these 'matches'. Age difference is primal, appearance - especially the gals that are fresh off the boat, per se - they tend to don the *stripper look* a bit much. Short skirts, high heels, make-ups, lip gloss/lipstick. They stick out like sore thumbs and more times than not, not in a good way.


Bottom line is, the 'man' is, and always be, the great 'equalizier'. The reality is, as an example, had Aziz Ansari wasn't who he is today, one would think it more than weird that a fine, brilliant and sexy woman like Serena Campbell would be dating someone like him.


http://youtu.be/yxAtnDKfheE
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 08:59:53 AM
:) )

Aren't the libtards' the one's who are supposed 'to be soft on immigration' and forgiving and welcoming ? ...  Seems they can't win in your eyes, Maxx  :D


It is not that simple. They have an order on who they favor the most. One trumps the other. Muslims, gays, illegal immigrants, women and people with disabilities. A royal flush would be a Muslim lesbian in a wheelchair who overstayed her visa and works at the abortion clinic. What is the joker of the deck is a guy married to a foreign spouse. The feminists hate it and see it as a rejection of them. The nationalists conservatives don't like it much either "Why not marry a good 'ol American gal?" But they are a little bit more tolerant. And of course woman are known to become jealous when their men eye up a woman like 'R'. The men got to be extra careful to not get caught talking to her or becoming amorous with their wives when they get home. Kind of like Al Bundy of 'Married with Children' throwing redhead wife Peg a blonde wig and dragging her upstairs. This is after a super hot blonde got him worked up at the shoe store. Moby, I'm surprised you don't know about these things?  :D

Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 09:33:45 AM
IMHO, my experience with this in general is the opposite. For one, I am fortunate to have had a healthy amount of female friends that welcomed and befriended my wife when she first came. Even her AW peers today had never given her any feelings of negativity. She's treated like any other. A lot of them, even the ones she/we don't know, openly compliments her on her looks that's usually opened by asking if she's a model.


She gets a lot more 'negativity', personality-wise from her FSUW circle. When she first arrived what I easily noticed - and my wife and her friends too as well - is the condescending look cast upon them by expats upon learning they came here via the MOB route.


I will go out on a limb and say it could be that is it not so much about 'jealousy', but rather the 'oddity' of many of these 'matches'. Age difference is primal, appearance - especially the gals that are fresh off the boat, per se - they tend to don the *stripper look* a bit much. Short skirts, high heels, make-ups, lip gloss/lipstick. They stick out like sore thumbs and more times than not, not in a good way.


Bottom line is, the 'man' is, and always be, the great 'equalizier'. The reality is, as an example, had Aziz Ansari wasn't who he is today, one would think it more than weird that a fine, brilliant and sexy woman like Serena Campbell would be dating someone like him.




When I was composing this story I had a thought about you. I remember how you said your friends, especially women friends, were very accommodating and welcoming to your wife. I thought about this before, actually a long time ago. I came to two conclusions then. First is you are very very nice to women. Not all men can make friends with women. I've had women I just met have their pupils in their eyes get smaller. A sure sign they don't like me. Second as an immigrant yourself, you get a pass. One immigrant marrying another immigrant is no big deal, almost to be expected. When I did that documentary film 'Avi's Story' I was particularly attracted to Avi's story because he was a Ukrainian immigrant who found his second wife from Azerbaijan off the internet. The whole stigma of him marrying a MOB is negated because he was an immigrant himself. But try as I did I could never make a born and raised American look sympathetic to an audience in those circumstances. People are too quick to stereotype, as we all do to a degree or another.


GQ, you make so many good points. That one about the immigrant community seeing a MOB as not a desirable image of themselves. My ex faced that big time. From what I learned she changed her story on how she got to the US and were she first lived. That she said she came from Chicago rather than less cool Minneapolis. What Russian back home ever heard of Minneapolis?


Oh, and the stripper look. Should have seen the reaction at the Saint Petersburg's Russian Restaurant in Minneapolis when my then wife, a big haired blonde, walked in wearing her red leather outfit, red shoes and red lipstick. Dead silence....... Then suddenly everyone went back chatting again when they figured that she was a MOB and not a hooker.


Sorry about bringing up the ex. Sometimes I have a relapse.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: ML on September 21, 2018, 10:15:41 AM
Max, doesn't seem to be in good taste to post pics of another man's wife.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: ML on September 21, 2018, 10:33:39 AM
We seem to have had zero problems with other women or men regarding wife and I.

Of course she was over 40 when she came here 7 years ago and we started appearing in public together.  She has a good body, but never dressed like the typical FSU hooker.  She does wear skin tight jeans and sweaters, but not micro skirts with spike heels and excessive makeup.

There was only one time that I was a little bit worried about.  It was at a social event where I did not attend.

It was a evening retirement dinner for a female faculty member at a very nice banquet hall. Spouse attended in her Sunday best, whereas the other women (young and old) mostly dressed like they were going to an outdoor BBQ.

And, there was no assigned seating.  Upon entering she first encountered a group of mostly senior men faculty.  Several of them had been to our house for picnics, etc. but not all the faculty knew of this.  As they began to get the food being served, they just all naturally sat down together at the nearest table.

So there she was, a very junior female faculty member, sitting with senior male faculty.  The other women sat with those of similar rank.

She told me later that several of the women present seemed to give her looks that were not very nice.  Could have been two reasons.  The formal way she was dressed; that she was with senior men faculty.

I was worried about this.

But that was 3 or so years ago, and nothing bad seems to have carried over.

In fact now, the newly elected Chair of Department (a female) seems to have taken a real like to her, even as wife has now returned to student status in the PhD program.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 11:24:13 AM
Max, doesn't seem to be in good taste to post pics of another man's wife.


You are right. I took down the two photos that could identify her.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 11:31:55 AM



We have a poster that used to post here, he and his Russian wife. They haven't posted in a long, long time. Anyway his Russian wife is very much liked by his colleagues both men and women. Both of them are liberal and travel in the arts community crowd. It seems once people get past their first thoughts and prejudice they really warm up to these women.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: ML on September 21, 2018, 01:10:05 PM
It seems once people get past their first thoughts and prejudice they really warm up to these women.

I would suspect the problems or lack thereof are related to two variables:

1) The perceived age difference.  i.e. the actual age difference can be different than the perceived.  If the difference in perceived ages is painful to look at . . .

2) How the foreign bride acts, dresses and carries herself.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: GQBlues on September 21, 2018, 02:10:29 PM
...Should have seen the reaction at the Saint Petersburg's Russian Restaurant in Minneapolis when my then wife, a big haired blonde, walked in wearing her red leather outfit, red shoes and red lipstick. Dead silence....... Then suddenly everyone went back chatting again when they figured that she was a MOB and not a hooker.


Great visual, maxx!  :P


I would suspect the problems or lack thereof are related to two variables:

1) The perceived age difference.  i.e. the actual age difference can be different than the perceived.  If the difference in perceived ages is painful to look at . . .

2) How the foreign bride acts, dresses and carries herself.


I concur.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: jone on September 21, 2018, 02:30:44 PM

You are right. I took down the two photos that could identify her.

That Walmart pic was pretty offensive too.  Any chance of removing that?
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: BillyB on September 21, 2018, 03:04:40 PM
Maybe I should give up on my '45 years old on up' age requirement?

 If life deals you a good hand take it even if she's under 45. I know a guy who passed up a much younger woman who was friendly and flirting with him. 20 years later he is still single.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 03:53:46 PM
Maxx,

Concerning SC..like suggesting she wears factor 50 when sun-bathing - I learnt - a long time ago - that she doesn't give a ... what other folks think.. 

The most bitchy comments come from women ...  THIS being a classic from a RU lady I chatted to - but never physically met -  online... She seemed to take my choosing to meet SC over her -  rather well - then out of the blue sent me this (google translate) 'advice' ..

Dear Mark, whether your woman worked as the prostitute earlier? You inquire. She already has rather adult age about 50 years. She has to be elegant and self-sufficient in everything, even in clothes. But she dresses at such an royal for the woman age, as the 14-year-old prostitute. Soon her panties will be visible from under the dresses.


I don't think she could be defined as a 'liberal' in viewpoints and I had to think hard how to politely reply with a one-liner that would floor her ..

Can you guess my response ?

Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 21, 2018, 06:17:02 PM
That Walmart pic was pretty offensive too.  Any chance of removing that?


Done, even though I am thinking you're pulling my leg  :D
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: MarinaSirena on September 21, 2018, 10:00:06 PM


Dear Mark, whether your woman worked as the prostitute earlier? You inquire. She already has rather adult age about 50 years. She has to be elegant and self-sufficient in everything, even in clothes. But she dresses at such an royal for the woman age, as the 14-year-old prostitute. Soon her panties will be visible from under the dresses.


really?) did you receive this message?
Its nice and fun)
Because of every woman  has to be elegant and self-sufficient in everything, even in her judgments :)has to know that its not elegant and polite to impose her limited view .Especially if nobody asked her opinion. :)



Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: msmob on September 21, 2018, 11:05:34 PM
really?) did you receive this message?


Honesty - from a Russian lady..!  ))

Come on Maxx, anyone .. Would would YOU say to dissuade the opinionated lady from passing comment, again ! ?



Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 22, 2018, 04:15:15 AM
Honesty - from a Russian lady..!  ))

Come on Maxx, anyone .. Would would YOU say to dissuade the opinionated lady from passing comment, again ! ?


I finally found some time to respond.


I am not sure there is anything that could be said to her to keep her from saying such things in the future. From what I understand, she just popped up and offered her opinion without a prompting from you. Was this a response from a recent photo of SC you posted? Could you repost this photo here? Did she send you a PM or post this on your Facebook page? 


As far as my opinion on how SC dresses, I'll offer it if you want me too. You'll probably like my opinion.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: MarinaSirena on September 22, 2018, 04:21:24 AM
excuse me, but what is SC?
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: mhr7 on September 22, 2018, 04:25:55 AM
excuse me, but what is SC?

msmob's girlfriend.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: MarinaSirena on September 22, 2018, 04:31:56 AM
thanks :)
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 22, 2018, 06:39:14 AM



The 'S' is for a common Russian woman's name. The 'C' is for the color Coral, the color she is partial to wearing.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 22, 2018, 06:16:49 PM


Moby?
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: BillyB on September 22, 2018, 09:21:03 PM
Dear Mark, whether your woman worked as the prostitute earlier? You inquire.


From what I understand, she just popped up and offered her opinion without a prompting from you.


Not sure how you came to that conclusion Maxx. Based off what was said in the message, she is answering Moby's question. She even repeated the question to make sure she got it right.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 23, 2018, 02:06:13 AM
Not sure how you came to that conclusion Maxx. Based off what was said in the message, she is answering Moby's question. She even repeated the question to make sure she got it right.


I heard about this a few months ago directly from Moby. My memory is a bit hazy but I seem to remember he was not expecting to hear from her. She just popped up and said some things to Moby that surprised him. It was an unsolicited opinion from what I remember. But I could be wrong. It could have came from an exchange of a series of PMs on FB.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 23, 2018, 06:02:20 AM



Moby's AWOL, which is understandable, being it's a weekend and he is probably with the lovely SC. 
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: msmob on September 23, 2018, 11:39:53 PM
I wish..

I DO have three Russian guests - two who have never been here, before...

It's Biz and some sight-seeing ))

Went to Bath, yesterday ... It's only 20 miles away and GOD, I keep forgetting how I love the city - to be close to such wonders



Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: msmob on September 23, 2018, 11:58:09 PM
Maxx has it correct about the name SC and it's origin

The message came through as SC and I walked along the Sochi front last year ... the lady had requested I didn't contact her - nearly 3 years earlier and deleted me as a contact - ( Skype) which was her prerogative - I having reminded her that I was quite happy with SC  and thought it inappropriate her sending me bikini photos of her trip to a European country !...  ?

Anyway, my response was ...

"SC is well thanks and she doesn't WEAR panties .."

Remarkably, she never wrote, again - nor I to her... It seemed to do the trick ...

Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 24, 2018, 12:07:31 AM
Maxx has it correct about the name SC and it's origin

The message came through as SC and I walked along the Sochi front last year ... the lady had requested I didn't contact her - nearly 3 years earlier and deleted me as a contact - ( Skype) which was her prerogative - I having reminded her that I was quite happy with SC  and thought it inappropriate her sending me bikini photos of her trip to a European country !...  ?

Anyway, my response was ...

"SC is well thanks and she doesn't WEAR panties .."

Remarkably, she never wrote, again - not I to her... It seemed to do the trick ...


A minor RWD mystery explained. Thank you Moby.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: msmob on September 24, 2018, 12:10:00 AM

A minor RWD mystery explained. Thank you Moby.

More "Chinese whispers" ! ;)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_whispers)
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: GenMish on September 24, 2018, 04:55:43 AM


I've have a friend named John I've known for 15 years. We've had diner together a number of times. I got to meet his wife a few years ago, a real doll. He is a real nice guy and she is sweet as they come. Both seem to love each other very much. They've been married several years. No green card issues to worry about. Long past that nonsense.


So he tells me last night he is in a bit trouble at his work (He works for the county). Apparently there was a get together for the employees and their wives and husbands. About 60 people in all showed up. He brings his wife 'R'. Except for the union steward no one had ever met her before.


He gets an early retirement next year. Government workers have that advantage. I told him to be really careful till then. I also told him to consult with an attorney ASAP. 


She just turned 30 years old. She is 4 feet 6 inches tall (137 cm). One of the most petite women I've ever known. Again, really sweet.


(http://farm2.staticflickr.com/1862/29884959997_04bbcbed0b.jpg)



Maybe I should give up on my '45 years old on up' age requirement?

I am a little surprised about the coldness John is receiving at work. There is certainly nothing offensive about him bringing her, or a minor conversation with another Filipino in Tagalog. But the women were offended

The issue might be just concern that their spouses might be interested in a young beautiful Asian too? If John has volunteered to other men how to go about getting a special lady of their own, and the men told their wives...yep, that's cause for offense. Also I think Johns response about jealous American women screams volumes. That attitude is contributing to the coldness he is getting

We have a retired fellow at my tennis club married to a beautiful young Asian, but the other woman like her. We all like her a lot. But she dresses conservatively, even though she could dress like smoking hot arm candy if she wanted. Perhaps if she did, there might be some resentment towards her, but it wouldnt spill over to her husband

Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: Maxx2 on September 24, 2018, 08:51:41 AM
I am a little surprised about the coldness John is receiving at work. There is certainly nothing offensive about him bringing her, or a minor conversation with another Filipino in Tagalog. But the women were offended

The issue might be just concern that their spouses might be interested in a young beautiful Asian too? If John has volunteered to other men how to go about getting a special lady of their own, and the men told their wives...yep, that's cause for offense. Also I think Johns response about jealous American women screams volumes. That attitude is contributing to the coldness he is getting

We have a retired fellow at my tennis club married to a beautiful young Asian, but the other woman like her. We all like her a lot. But she dresses conservatively, even though she could dress like smoking hot arm candy if she wanted. Perhaps if she did, there might be some resentment towards her, but it wouldnt spill over to her husband


She is about 70 pounds. He is about 270 pounds. She is 4 and a half feet tall. He is 6 feet tall. She's got beautiful long black hair. He's got no hair. She just turned 30. He just turned 56. I've seen her with him. She glows in her love for him. My guess at the party they made such an unusual couple that talk was inevitable. People have a hard time figuring it out. "How is such a union possible?" they think. John is not the type to promote his marriage as a "you can do it too." He thinks his was a fluke. As he said to me when she was talking to another mutual friend (at that time) "I hit the jackpot with her."


Below is a REAL story for you:


The "mutual friend" is a REAL piece of work. John and I both defriended him. This guy, an American was married to a Filipina named Laura who he met at a bar. She was a bargirl hoping to find a guy to take her away from the business. He brought her to America, married her and eventually they divorced. Long story why I won't bore you with. I'll skip to the chase. His ex-wife called him on the phone from New Jersey a few years after their divorce. He lived in Minnesota. She had a gambling addiction was in hopeless debt. After their conversation she went out into the parking lot, crawled into the foot well of the back seat of the car and took an overdose of sleeping pills. The police discovered her body more than a week later. It was summer then. So badly was she decomposed they couldn't identify her. So they traced her car and her cell phone records and called him. Anyway her jerk ex-husband went to Jersey and bought the death car. He got for what thought was a real good price hoping to resell it. Problem for him was he couldn't get the death smell out. The car smelt like vomit. Last time I saw him we rode in that car to a restaurant where I met John and 'R'. After our visit the creep took me back to my car. As I was getting out of the car he said to me, "Say goodbye to Laura" and laughed. That was it for our friendship. I knew this guy for 35 years. We used to work together. John and I later exchanged stories about this creep piecing everything together. We are both in agreement he is either a psychopath/sociopath or at the very least a hard core narcissist. We both believe he is responsible for her death. He played mind tricks on her, like he had played mind tricks on us.
Title: Re: Got a story for you.
Post by: GenMish on September 26, 2018, 12:25:36 PM

She is about 70 pounds. He is about 270 pounds. She is 4 and a half feet tall. He is 6 feet tall. She's got beautiful long black hair. He's got no hair. She just turned 30. He just turned 56. I've seen her with him. She glows in her love for him. My guess at the party they made such an unusual couple that talk was inevitable. People have a hard time figuring it out. "How is such a union possible?" they think. John is not the type to promote his marriage as a "you can do it too." He thinks his was a fluke. As he said to me when she was talking to another mutual friend (at that time) "I hit the jackpot with her."


 


Maxx
I think I saw John and his lovely wife today! Well maybe, the lady looked a little lighter skinned and Chinese, but he was definitely 270 lbs plus and she adored him, a very unusual couple for my part of the Midwest. Not only did seeing this couple remind me of this thread, but something else I forgot. 24 years ago when I brought my FSU fiancée to the USA, she was just taking classes learning English. She didn't develop a  FSU type accent, I actually think she at the time had a broken Dutch type accent.....anyways

The receptionist at my office 24 yrs ago began telling others my fiancée sounded Asian, and the gossip was my fiancée WAS Asian. I should add that I was in a different building, and my calls were forwarded to my building. The gossip became so problematic, that the head of HR came from that building to my office to see the various photos on my desk of my fiancée. upon seeing them, she said, I will go tell my crew that she is white and the gossip stopped

I have no conclusions to offer, other than perhaps I was wrong in my initial assessment