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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #125 on: September 17, 2014, 11:42:02 AM »
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Bo, are you saying there are good reasons to invade another country?

The only reason to invade a country is if it invades you.

I don't think the situations in Libya or Syria were handled well, and I was opposed to the Iraq war from day 1.  I do think the invasion of Afghanistan, in order to locate Taliban and al Qaeda members who were harboured there was justified.  However, I don't believe what the mission became was in the West's interests.  If a society wishes to live in the Middle Ages, so be it. 
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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #126 on: September 17, 2014, 12:39:10 PM »
They are being done absolutely purposely to harm the  population.


Yeah, population that cheering mentally unstable person who has access to nuclear weapons, population that invaded another country, population that responsible for death of thousands of people in just recent months.

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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #127 on: September 17, 2014, 12:45:56 PM »

Yeah, population that cheering mentally unstable person who has access to nuclear weapons, population that invaded another country, population that responsible for death of thousands of people in just recent months.

And access to too many Testosterone injections as well as Botox.   :devil:


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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #128 on: September 17, 2014, 01:11:22 PM »
For you, Doll

"Заместитель министра обороны ДНР", донецкий писатель-фантаст Федор Березин прямо заявил о преступлениях, которые боевики совершают на захваченных территориях Донбасса. Березин осудил то, как вооруженные подразделения его "коллег" терроризируют местное население. "Некоторые повели себя так, как будто они находятся на оккупированной вражеской территории", – заявил он. "Случаи грабежей, убийств, рэкета и прочее плодятся, как снежный ком. Это все негативно сказывается на отношении армии и народа", – говорит Березин на видео, которые выложил 17 сентября пользователь Dima Atlantov в Youtube.


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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #129 on: September 17, 2014, 01:15:30 PM »
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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #130 on: September 17, 2014, 06:10:05 PM »
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European Union and American sanctions have pushed Russia to a tipping point between growth and recession, Aleksei L. Kudrin, a former finance minister, told an audience of Western executives at a conference in Moscow hosted by the American chamber of commerce. Mr. Kudrin then outlined, in unvarnished and detailed terms, what awaits Russia if a fragile cease-fire in the war in eastern Ukraine breaks down: possibily a contraction over 5 percent lasting one to two years.

“The ceasefire is important for everybody, and for Russia most of all,” Mr. Kudrin said. “We should study these consequences, and avoid a worsening of the situation.”

Already, Mr. Kudrin said, sanctions have trimmed about 1 percent from Russia’s $2 trillion gross domestic product this year, with the effects now being felt beyond the tight coterie of businessmen deemed close to President Putin who first felt the sting. Economic growth slowed to what Citigroup projects will be 0.5 percent this year. Since January, $110 billion has left Russia as capital flight.

Faint consumer demand caused car and other durable goods sales to contract. Rosneft, the state oil company has asked for a government bailout. Yevraziya, a chain of sushi restaurants, closed in Moscow after the price of salmon doubled.

Bob Foresman, the chief executive of Barclays bank in Russia, in a speech to the gathering cited a survey of businessmen’s views on the Russian economy, highlighting phrases like “fatigue,” “caution,” “false hope” and “false dawn.”

In Ukraine this week, Separatist gunmen and the Ukrainian army are exchanging artillery fire daily over military objectives like a regional airport and a strategic village, Debaltsevo, northeast of Donetsk, where Organization for Security and Cooperation in Europe observers came under fire Sunday.

If European leaders decide the cease-fire has failed, they have vowed to leave in place financial and oil industry sanctions imposed last week, rather than repeal them. That, Mr. Kudrin said, would stall the Russian economy with zero growth in 2015, or push it into a mild recession.

If the European Union and United States escalate sanctions on the banking sector by prohibiting Russian banks from accessing SWIFT, the international secure money transfer system, the Russian economy will go into deep recession with a contraction of at least 5 percent lasting one or two years, Mr. Kudrin said.

Turning inward and relying on a revival of domestic manufacturing and agriculture helped by the weakening ruble, the plan to fortify the Russian economy of so-called import substitution outlined by an acting deputy prime minister who also spoke at the gathering, is unrealistic, Mr. Kudrin suggested.

Soft-spoken and with a wry sense of humor, Mr. Kudrin seems at times to almost take pleasure in pointing out the dismal realities of the global economy, when nobody else here will.

Europe and the United States, the governments imposing sanctions on Russia, spend about $1.5 trillion on research and development annually, while Russia spends $20 billion, he noted. As such, Russia can never hope to replicate a wide range of these nations’ imported goods. The Russian government should designate only select niches of the economy for this policy, he said.

The Russian leadership, he said, understands the costs but may be willing to pay them. Earlier, he described the economic blow as the price for Russia having a foreign policy independent of the United States.

“At a minimum, two or three years are needed to resolve the questions,” of the Ukraine crisis, he said, even if no escalation takes place.

“Until then, we won’t know what investment climate we have and the final state of our relations with the West,” he added, and the Russian economy will be in a “period of instability.”

Mr. Kudrin, whose ties to Mr. Putin stretch back two decades to the city hall of St. Petersburg, where both worked, is retired from government. His is a rare public voice of a liberal wing of the Russian elite on the mounting economic costs of the war and sanctions. Kremlin watchers, though, are divided on whether such sentiments carry any weight now with Mr. Putin.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/17/business/former-putin-aide-reinforces-dangers-of-sanctions.html?src=busln&_r=1
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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #131 on: September 17, 2014, 07:48:50 PM »
So let me get this straight, Obama is kicking Putin's ass in Ukraine?  Is that right Putin lovers?

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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #132 on: September 18, 2014, 04:36:33 AM »
So let me get this straight, Obama is kicking Putin's ass in Ukraine?  Is that right Putin lovers?

OBAMA? What is he (USA) doing in Ukraine?

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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #133 on: September 18, 2014, 04:57:00 AM »

OBAMA? What is he (USA) doing in Ukraine?


Apparently Obama is going to do something to Putin's ass.







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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #134 on: September 18, 2014, 11:52:16 AM »
Pretty funny.

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Re: Of course, the CIA wants to topple Russia
« Reply #135 on: September 19, 2014, 08:11:51 PM »

OBAMA? What is he (USA) doing in Ukraine?

Why is it that your sleezy allies on Russina blaming the US for the Ukrainian genocide and not your Messiah Tsarina Putina Botoxokova?

 

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