My plans for 2018 FSU Dating

[BillyB]

But there is something to be said for also knowing what he wants or is compatible  with.

Trench has said what he's looking for in a girl many times here and he has an idea on what kind of girl he's compatible with. Loneliness will be his primary companion for the bulk of his life if he doesn't make some changes. He can write a list and the more he writes what he wants out of a woman, the more he increases the chances of finding nobody. If he's not desirable to women, his list better be very short. Beggars can't be choosers.


Some guys know what they want but don't know what they need until they meet her. Trench needs to go out and socialize with tons of women. After communicating and dating with many, he will realize which of the many women available to him is best to spend his life with. If he finds that woman and is able to keep her, he will understand how wrong he's been for so long in the past.

[2tallbill]

That's a great strategy for those if us retired ML

Seriously, I would literally have to give up work to have the time to do that. It's like what agency scammers do but in reverse i.e writing as their job, lol. I would probably be best of outsourcing such a task at least until the Skype stage and work even cuts me short in time for that at the moment. I'm not adverse to a little internet preparation as a fall back but I think hitting the bars & streets is probably my best option. I don't mind hitting on women if I know there is a decent likelihoid that they will be receptive & not awkward to chat up.

You don't seem to have the desire to outsource (Eduard does this) but I think
if you picked a city and then wrote to every girl that you found attractive that
didn't have something that disqualified her (like 8 kids or smokes three packs
a day in her profile) and asked her to meet you for tea or coffee and see how
many responded a week before your trip. You can easily send out a few hundred
form letters in a couple of days.

You should get enough responses that you can start setting up dates. Then
you can determine if you have chemistry and interest or not. Don't make a
second date with any girl who you don't think has a very high chance of
being "the one"

I don't know your level of Russian, but I suspect that you will find it difficult on
the street. However, I would recommend talking up any sales gal, waitress, etc 
that you got a good vibe from.

[JayH]

That might work somewhat for the younger guys, but the only thing I
found in bars the last 10+ years were bar flies. I've had better luck
asking the girl in line at the super market.

I agree with this.
2T raises a good point --- the supermarket can be an amazing resource.
I have made the point repeatedly in the past --and this is sort of what Sting was saying --get out and about -- do normal things that the locals do. Interaction can lead somewhere.

I have made the point about staying and eating where other people are -- and not stuck in an apartment cooking and washing clothes etc.
The person or people you meet may not be prospective partners -- but their relatives,friends etc could be !!


Note :   my comments here are for general consumption -- NOT the op in this thread .

[Trenchcoat]

Trench has said what he's looking for in a girl many times here and he has an idea on what kind of girl he's compatible with. Loneliness will be his primary companion for the bulk of his life if he doesn't make some changes. He can write a list and the more he writes what he wants out of a woman, the more he increases the chances of finding nobody. If he's not desirable to women, his list better be very short. Beggars can't be choosers.


Some guys know what they want but don't know what they need until they meet her. Trench needs to go out and socialize with tons of women. After communicating and dating with many, he will realize which of the many women available to him is best to spend his life with. If he finds that woman and is able to keep her, he will understand how wrong he's been for so long in the past.

Well after looking on the internet etc I have found like most FSW that Polish women are looking for a provider, I could be that provider They are also looking for a LTR that could lead to marriage/family - children, etc. That is also what I am after. Aside from that women have taken interest in me before in the past in the UK but the women here are not the easiest to get with, problems caused by feminism etc. I don't know if I could succeed for sure with a Polish girl, but it is something I would like to look into.

Apparently Polish guys are more wealthier than say Ukrainian men on the whole but they too have problems with drinking, providing, desirability, etc. I think by eventually being able to live of an independent income I could fulfil the provider role quite well. Like you say Billy essentially I think I am going to have to go over to Poland and see what I can learn. I will also try to message a few girls on on the internet from Poland to see what I can learn in the meanwhile. There is also the Baltic States and they could be worth looking into a little also. I think I can only but try at this venture.

Are these former Eastern Bloc countries the way to go for me and perhaps others on here? Who knows. I know I am swapping a few issues of dating Ukrainian/Russian women etc with issues of dating an East European, EU girl. I think though on balance though that these different issues I can work with. I don't know for sure but I think I can get a girl where here moving to western society is not part of the package - so long as she has been brought up traditionally in a non feminist society. I think its worth a shot!

[alex330]

My first flight the Ukraine I flew LOT Airlines through Warsaw. I sat next to an older heavyset man who had a girlfriend in Poland. He was Polish himself, lived in the US and liked to pound vodka. Said it was better to fly out for the girls.

I do know that many Poles are less and less inviting to foreigners these days. Especially if they are not Caucasian. The biggest and meanest hooligans are Polish.

[Trenchcoat]

My first flight the Ukraine I flew LOT Airlines through Warsaw. I sat next to an older heavyset man who had a girlfriend in Poland. He was Polish himself, lived in the US and liked to pound vodka. Said it was better to fly out for the girls.

I do know that many Poles are less and less inviting to foreigners these days. Especially if they are not Caucasian. The biggest and meanest hooligans are Polish.

Yeah, I've heard similar that the Polish girls are best picked of the tree as it were rather than getting them from the barrel. The country being Catholic and their family upbringing mean that they have family values instilled in them and are often restricted from running too astray. However, the ones that move abroad this breaks down pretty quickly. The Polish guy I knew specifically blamed English society for his girl picking up bad habits & values and that was before he's relationship went seriously south with her (according to him she was quite pretty) and I don't doubt him. So my making myself to living over there is not necessarily a bad thing really, no point bringing a girl back here and having her screwed up in a short time by English society. I know some Polish may be less inviting to foreigners these days but I', just going to have to keep hitting on girls and just find the ones that are open to foreign guys, with many Polish having gone to the UK I'm guessing they won't feel to badly towards us, I hope Also, I'm Caucasian so no worries there

[Sting23]

There's lots of Polish people in London... Poland is part of the EU so they can go to other EU countries to work easily.  Don't know about the UK now with Brexit.

Trench you are better off going to London to find an EE girl.  Last hotel I stayed in London there were a few Romanian girls working there. Had a nice chat with one.  But same thing, they are now part of the EU so they don't need you.

[Sting23]

Nah -- he will probably get arrested for loitering !

Haha!  i just hope he doesn't do like his namesake and wear an actual trenchcoat. that would be super creepy..

[Sting23]

I have made the point repeatedly in the past --and this is sort of what Sting was saying --get out and about -- do normal things that the locals do. Interaction can lead somewhere.

I have made the point about staying and eating where other people are --

this should be the mindset whenever you travel.  Just talk to people and see what happens.  I make it a point to talk to guys and girls.  If you act normal and friendly usually people will reciprocate.  I've been invited to dinner or drinks on the street by strangers simply by talking to them.  they know you are a tourist, speak English. If you are a nice guy they'll want to know more.

[msmob]

That might work somewhat for the younger guys, but the only thing I
found in bars the last 10+ years were bar flies. I've had better luck
asking the girl in line at the super market.

Quite..

Sting23's 'advice' is as scary as Trench's ....

[msmob]

Trench BS warning

they essentially often came with their guys or mainly exist within the Polish community and just date within that community (hence the would be immigration mules).

There has been two waves of PL immigration in the. UK

At the end of WW2..when 'winning' the war meant they couldn't go home..as their land was still occupied

When PL joined the EU.

There were and are  loads of single, attractive Polish lasses who were quite happy to date outside their community.

More clueless,  paranoid, rascist bollox from Trench

[mhr7]

That's a great strategy for those if us retired ML

Seriously, I would literally have to give up work to have the time to do that. It's like what agency scammers do but in reverse i.e writing as their job, lol. I would probably be best of outsourcing such a task at least until the Skype stage and work even cuts me short in time for that at the moment. I'm not adverse to a little internet preparation as a fall back but I think hitting the bars & streets is probably my best option. I don't mind hitting on women if I know there is a decent likelihoid that they will be receptive & not awkward to chat up. UK women are veryyyy awkward & difficult to chat to, they are not adverse to rudely humiliating the guy even if they like him! Feminism has caused a lot of difficulty between men and women here. In the FSU of course it is different and they are usually fare more welcoming of an approach so I should be fine

The majority of women in the UK don't consider themselves a feminist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nearly-1-in-5-people-in-the-uk-think-being-called-a-feminist-is-an-insult-a6728446.html

You need to start looking within instead of giving excuses.

Like a Russian ex of mine used to say, "either do or don't do". Stop talkng, start doing.

Are you sure this is for you? I've never been with one but I suspect that Russian women are more challanging than British women.

[Trenchcoat]

There were and are  loads of single, attractive Polish lasses who were quite happy to date outside their community.

Yes and the ones that were did the same as all the UK girls if they were pretty they knew what they were worth and went after the best deal going. That or they went on websites like Match and got inundated with guys messaging them and hence became very choosy. Or they became career girls and got career obsessed. Believe me once they are here they are no good like all the UK girls, they become spoilt goods very quickly.

[Trenchcoat]

Trench you are better off going to London to find an EE girl.  Last hotel I stayed in London there were a few Romanian girls working there. Had a nice chat with one.  But same thing, they are now part of the EU so they don't need you.

Well you're right in the not needing me to go where they like in the EU. I'm guessing for the meanwhile most that wanted to get into the UK have already done so and those that do after we leave Brexit possibly might still do through close family members. They could still go elsewhere in the EU at any rate. So as said I am not relying on importation rights at all but on getting a girl from a good background that has been brought up proper and not spoiled. Yes they can be pleasant enough but once here they have many options - being a Canadian (or US guys) you still have the importation aspect of course and perhaps some allure as a foreign guy. What I am banking on is getting a quality woman in Poland who might have not considered getting with a foreign guy - at least not until the opportunity presents itself, i.e Me

It could well be that a Polish girl will often accept the status quo of the 'your living here, life is fine here and this is what is available'. However,  faced with the proster of a foreign guy placed in front of her if he peeks her interest she might start to re-evaluate. She may or may not want to move (or at least not straight away) but if the guy is willing to live there, has independent income, etc then this may well suit her. I may be wrong on this but I think it's worth a venture out there to check out the scene

[Trenchcoat]

The majority of women in the UK don't consider themselves a feminist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nearly-1-in-5-people-in-the-uk-think-being-called-a-feminist-is-an-insult-a6728446.html

You need to start looking within instead of giving excuses.

Like a Russian ex of mine used to say, "either do or don't do". Stop talkng, start doing.

Are you sure this is for you? I've never been with one but I suspect that Russian women are more challanging than British women.

I've no doubt they don't consider themselves feminists but belive me they are undoubtedly influenced/socialised by feminism. You can be influenced during upbringing and during life by the way society is around you without even noticing it - to you it is normal and normal societal values.

For example some people say that society in the UK was better before Thatcher, that under & after Thatcher people looked out for themselves and it wasn't like that before, people considered each other. Now I wouldn't know since Thatcher was the first PM I every recall being aware off.

Girl's in school nowadays get told all about careers open to them. They get told it is important that they put consideraton into careers since it is what they will have to rely on. Have done since at least the early 90s. No longer are they told to concentrate on domestic duties and learning to get themselves a good husband like in the 50s. Just look at the old b&w news reals on you tube from back then of what women did at school - cooking, baking, ironing, etc.

Women may well be feminist in outlook but find it an insult to be called a feminist since they want to have their cake and eat it. They probably don't even realise their outlook is feminist. Then want access to the same careers as men but don't see the downside to society in this. They see feminist values as normal values not the femimist values that they are. To them these days a feminist is seen as an almost lesbian extremist but nearly all women in the UK subscribe to these values. They just feel they are entitled to what feminists demand but are not feminists in expecting such.

Russian women can be challenging but at heart they have the right traditional values that English women do not. They are also more available than English women. Possibly my venture into Poland may bear fruit since they seem not to be as rigid in thought process as Russian women and are perhaps a bit softer. They also tend to have a good work ethic which of course is no bad thing either.

[msmob]

Second Trench BS warning of the day

Yes and the ones that were did the same as all the UK girls if they were pretty they knew what they were worth and went after the best deal going. That or they went on websites like Match and got inundated with guys messaging them and hence became very choosy. Or they became career girls and got career obsessed. Believe me once they are here they are no good like all the UK girls, they become spoilt goods very quickly.

Trench, not all lasses felt the need to market themselves in such a a way .. They found work, made friends and guys approached them

Above, was simply more of your 'excuses' ..There are those who make excuses and those that do ..

[Boethius]

So what, exactly, do you have to offer a traditional, pretty girl?  A traditional woman wants a real man, not someone who is wishy washy.  She wants a man who is going to support her financially. 

Poland has had 3 female prime ministers.  Is that "traditional"?  Sixty per cent of the students in Polish universities are female.  Is that "traditional"?

Here is a protest against the Polish government's decision to introduce a law banning abortion, organized by "traditional" Polish women -






I agree with mhr7.  I also think what you are looking for, and the fact that you post that you want this all solely on your terms, suggests you need to do some work on yourself before you seek a partner.

Girl's in school nowadays get told all about careers open to them. They get told it is important that they put consideraton into careers since it is what they will have to rely on. Have done since at least the early 90s. No longer are they told to concentrate on domestic duties and learning to get themselves a good husband like in the 50s. Just look at the old b&w news reals on you tube from back then of what women did at school - cooking, baking, ironing, etc.

Growing up, my mother told me to get educated and have a job, to never rely on anyone else to support me financially.  I provided that same advice to our daughter. 

In the 1950's, women worked, but they didn't have the options men did, in terms of choice.  That is what feminism is about. 

You actually do want a feminist wife, because you want her to work outside the home to support the family.  You just want to control the type of work she does, and that she take care of you, first and foremost.  That's not my idea of marriage.  As I asked you before, what are you offering her in this arrangement?

Women may well be feminist in outlook but find it an insult to be called a feminist since they want to have their cake and eat it. They probably don't even realise their outlook is feminist. Then want access to the same careers as men but don't see the downside to society in this. They see feminist values as normal values not the femimist values that they are. To them these days a feminist is seen as an almost lesbian extremist but nearly all women in the UK subscribe to these values. They just feel they are entitled to what feminists demand but are not feminists in expecting such.

Society is structured in such a way that relatively few women have the option but to work.  A man has to be very successful financially for a woman not to have to work.  Furthermore, intelligent women eventually will be bored without a career. 

[Trenchcoat]

So what, exactly, do you have to offer a traditional, pretty girl?  A traditional woman wants a real man, not someone who is wishy washy.  She wants a man who is going to support her financially. 

Poland has had 3 female prime ministers.  Is that "traditional"?  Sixty per cent of the students in Polish universities are female.  Is that "traditional"?

Here is a protest against the Polish government's decision to introduce a law banning abortion, organized by "traditional" Polish women -






I agree with mhr7.  I also think what you are looking for, and the fact that you post that you want this all solely on your terms, suggests you need to do some work on yourself before you seek a partner.


Growing up, my mother told me to get educated and have a job, to never rely on anyone else to support me financially.  I provided that same advice to our daughter. 

In the 1950's, women worked, but they didn't have the options men did, in terms of choice.  That is what feminism is about. 

You actually do want a feminist wife, because you want her to work outside the home to support the family.  You just want to control the type of work she does, and that she take care of you, first and foremost.  That's not my idea of marriage.  As I asked you before, what are you offering her in this arrangement?

Society is structured in such a way that relatively few women have the option but to work.  A man has to be very successful financially for a woman not to have to work.  Furthermore, intelligent women eventually will be bored without a career.

Back to the 'real man' hey Well as BillyB says when you go for a FSW essentially you are going to be doing the work of two - to support yourself on the endeavour and then to support the women also. I thin though if the woman likes to spend out a bit the guy could be doing the work of three and that's without any children on the scene, lol.

You ask a very good question Boethius in terms of, 'what are you offering her in this arrangement?'

I know I have tried to answer this before and I can see now how each side may not be offering much in the arrangement. Mainly because as you have stated each side wants it on there terms and most likely doesn't realise they are not offering much if anything in the arrangement. I think this can be the case for both the man and the woman and its also a case of having what each other is prepared to offer aligning. For example we have seen from some posters that a girl may not be willing to move from her home in St. Pete's, Moscow or wherever - some guys see this as if the girl was into them enough they would but is it just being a case of one side not offering what's needed or wanted. Other girls don't want the guy to visit them in there home city or as we have seen from wall refuse to live with a dog, etc.

Part of the reason for me working on securing an independent income is so I can be a bit more flexible in what I can offer a girl in the arrangement, but it is still of course down to what she wants. The last girl wanted to come to the UK but this I could not offer her without at first Marriage, she mistakenly thought I could just because she didn't understand the visa system wasn't as straight forward as written try as I might. So what ca I offer a girl from Poland that is into me:

- Ability to live there with her so she need not leave family behind. Most of my family do there own thing so it would be little different anyway so easier for me.

- Ability to provide for her. I would have independent income, not a lot but enough to live on especially if the pound rises in value in the future which it may do with interest rates on the way up and Brexit nearing conclusion. In addition I may be able to pick up work over time in Poland either in tourism or elsewhere where English is in demand.

- A home for her in the UK with me should she wish it.

- Love/A family all being well

- The woman would not have to work, but it would be more comfortable if she did at least in the short term if living in Poland while I found work, if in UK then no she would not have to work.

From what I have seen most Polish women's main concern is a provider. If I go in with independent income apparent then this can be reassuring for her. The only thing I want from her is that she puts out is into me, etc. I am again looking at girls in there early to mid thirties ideally who may be more focused on family, I hope. If she wishes to come to the UK then this is no problem for me as she could do anyway, I may be offering little in that regard but at least I know she is into me not using me solely as an immigration mule. Marriage I think I can do also but need to be sure her intentions are true and so I would not be rushing into anything. I think I can deal with the whole Marriage issue now

So I think for me Poland may suit me better as I think it will be easier to align with what each other want & have similar values and cultural understandings.

Now people keep saying to me to work on myself on here, I'm not really sure what they are expecting me to work on? I am who I am, if I see I can improve on something about me I try to do so. I'm not a real state or anything, I think somewhere like Poland I could be at least a reasonable prospect for a woman. So I think I am being more flexible than before since I didn't realise women would take up a particular stance on all this but I guess as the man does so does the woman. Do you now think this should be enough for many a woman?


By tradition I didn't mean real traditional just more family values and less of an influence of feminism. I've no problem with women doing what they like but real full on feminism seems to really screw up a society. 

[Boethius]

I know I have tried to answer this before and I can see now how each side may not be offering much in the arrangement. Mainly because as you have stated each side wants it on there terms and most likely doesn't realise they are not offering much if anything in the arrangement.

I have never stated that.  What I have stated is that you have a list of the things you want, but you are failing to look at what you are offering a woman besides a British passport.

I think this can be the case for both the man and the woman and its also a case of having what each other is prepared to offer aligning. For example we have seen from some posters that a girl may not be willing to move from her home in St. Pete's, Moscow or wherever - some guys see this as if the girl was into them enough they would but is it just being a case of one side not offering what's needed or wanted. Other girls don't want the guy to visit them in there home city or as we have seen from wall refuse to live with a dog, etc.

None of which is relevant in having a successful long term marriage.  BTW, dollars to donuts the dog issue was a way of the woman telling him she was no longer interested in him.

Part of the reason for me working on securing an independent income is so I can be a bit more flexible in what I can offer a girl in the arrangement, but it is still of course down to what she wants. The last girl wanted to come to the UK but this I could not offer her without at first Marriage, she mistakenly thought I could just because she didn't understand the visa system wasn't as straight forward as written try as I might. So what ca I offer a girl from Poland that is into me:

- Ability to live there with her so she need not leave family behind. Most of my family do there own thing so it would be little different anyway so easier for me.

- Ability to provide for her. I would have independent income, not a lot but enough to live on especially if the pound rises in value in the future which it may do with interest rates on the way up and Brexit nearing conclusion. In addition I may be able to pick up work over time in Poland either in tourism or elsewhere where English is in demand.

- A home for her in the UK with me should she wish it.

- Love/A family all being well

- The woman would not have to work, but it would be more comfortable if she did at least in the short term if living in Poland while I found work, if in UK then no she would not have to work.

So basically, all the "airy fairy" stuff all men state.  All relatively useless. 


What do you want in life?  How is the woman going to fit in your life?

From what I have seen most Polish women's main concern is a provider. If I go in with independent income apparent then this can be reassuring for her. The only thing I want from her is that she puts out is into me, etc. I am again looking at girls in there early to mid thirties ideally who may be more focused on family, I hope. If she wishes to come to the UK then this is no problem for me as she could do anyway, I may be offering little in that regard but at least I know she is into me not using me solely as an immigration mule. Marriage I think I can do also but need to be sure her intentions are true and so I would not be rushing into anything. I think I can deal with the whole Marriage issue now

How are you going to have an independent income sufficient to support yourself, let alone a wife, in a country which is culturally alien to you and in which you do not speak the language?

So I think for me Poland may suit me better as I think it will be easier to align with what each other want & have similar values and cultural understandings.

What cultural understandings of Poland do you have? 

Now people keep saying to me to work on myself on here, I'm not really sure what they are expecting me to work on? I am who I am, if I see I can improve on something about me I try to do so. I'm not a real state or anything, I think somewhere like Poland I could be at least a reasonable prospect for a woman. So I think I am being more flexible than before since I didn't realise women would take up a particular stance on all this but I guess as the man does so does the woman. Do you now think this should be enough for many a woman?

I get the sense from your posts that you haven't focused on the core of who you are.  That is why your ideas of chasing a woman jump all over.  If you cannot be successful with women in your own country, you will not, long term, be successful abroad. 

By tradition I didn't mean real traditional just more family values and less of an influence of feminism. I've no problem with women doing what they like but real full on feminism seems to really screw up a society.

No it doesn't.  When FSUW ask me about WM, I always tell them to RUN if a WM says WW are all "feminists".  Because typically, this means a man is an a$$hole with misogynistic tendencies.


I actually don't think feminism is causing the decline of family values.  I think in the West, the issues are materialism, the "me" culture, and high levels of taxation, which make it difficult for the average family to live on one income.

[Trenchcoat]

So basically, all the "airy fairy" stuff all men state.  All relatively useless. 


What do you want in life?  How is the woman going to fit in your life?


How are you going to have an independent income sufficient to support yourself, let alone a wife, in a country which is culturally alien to you and in which you do not speak the language?


What cultural understandings of Poland do you have? 


I get the sense from your posts that you haven't focused on the core of who you are.  That is why your ideas of chasing a woman jump all over.  If you cannot be successful with women in your own country, you will not, long term, be successful abroad. 

I did'nt know the FSU real well when I started off on all of this, thus I had to find out what it was all about - that is why I have been jumping around a bit. Until I really knew what I was dealing with I didn't really know the best way about it all.

My cultural understanding of Poland comes from the Polish guy I used to work with and reading stuff online/in books and on the news & what people say. I've never been there so I need to go there to get a better idea (well I've transfered at Warsaw airport but that was it, lol). So perhaps a bit more learning to be done, but from what I have heard/found out I may be on better ground here.

So far my cultural understanding is that Poland is a Catholic country and as such has family values. The women are like most FSW after a guy that can provide for family. I have also heard they are feminine and not difficult like girls on the west. I have also heard that they are attractive and have big tits

I want a woman I find attractive that I have chemistry with to make love to and have a family, children with. Preferably it would also be good if she had some sort of interests similar to my own or interests of hers I could partake in. So fairly moderate in her interests. That's it.

I didn't know what else a woman wants other than what I have suggested, what does she need? I don't see how providing for her etc is airy fairy or useless.

Quite simply I am going to rent out a couple of rooms in my house that I own, it needs some conversion/extention work first. From the rent money I get from this I can then spend that to live in a place in Poland and thus live of independent means I have no mortgage and some money in savings should I spend over, but I reckon I should have enough to cover rent, food & bills in Poland without needing work there. If I get a woman then presumably she would get some income there even if unemployed. I could pay for basic courtship stuff for her but much more than that then she would need to stump up or I would need a job over there. So I think that would be the case if kids came along. Odds are I could get work over time but not necessarily at the beginning. I'm judging that Poland will be slightly easier to get work in than Russia/Ukraine as it's a member of the EU for work rights/visas etc and it has close ties to the UK.

[Sting23]

better start learning Polish then!

[Trenchcoat]

better start learning Polish then!

Just bought a Polish phrase book

[BillyB]

Just bought a Polish phrase book

If a guy wants to be successful with Polish women or any woman, he needs to only learn two words, "Yes Dear!" in their language and his woman will have a happy marriage and put up with him a little longer.

[Boethius]

I did'nt know the FSU real well when I started off on all of this, thus I had to find out what it was all about - that is why I have been jumping around a bit. Until I really knew what I was dealing with I didn't really know the best way about it all.

You still don't.

My cultural understanding of Poland comes from the Polish guy I used to work with and reading stuff online/in books and on the news & what people say. I've never been there so I need to go there to get a better idea (well I've transfered at Warsaw airport but that was it, lol). So perhaps a bit more learning to be done, but from what I have heard/found out I may be on better ground here.

There is virtually no difference between Polish culture and Ukrainian culture.  I'd say one difference is that Poles' opinion of themselves is, historically, higher than Ukrainians' opinions of themselves, probably because Poland was, for centuries, an empire.

I want a woman I find attractive that I have chemistry with to make love to and have a family, children with. Preferably it would also be good if she had some sort of interests similar to my own or interests of hers I could partake in. So fairly moderate in her interests. That's it.

Not exactly the stuff long term successful marriages are made of. 

I didn't know what else a woman wants other than what I have suggested, what does she need? I don't see how providing for her etc is airy fairy or useless.

It is airy fairy because it is basic.  It's not about how you relate to a woman on a day to day basis.

Quite simply I am going to rent out a couple of rooms in my house that I own, it needs some conversion/extention work first. From the rent money I get from this I can then spend that to live in a place in Poland and thus live of independent means.  I have no mortgage and some money in savings should I spend over, but I reckon I should have enough to cover rent, food & bills in Poland without needing work there. If I get a woman then presumably she would get some income there even if unemployed. I could pay for basic courtship stuff for her but much more than that then she would need to stump up or I would need a job over there. So I think that would be the case if kids came along. Odds are I could get work over time but not necessarily at the beginning. I'm judging that Poland will be slightly easier to get work in than Russia/Ukraine as it's a member of the EU for work rights/visas etc and it has close ties to the UK.

So are you hiring a manager to collect rents, deal with failure to pay rent when you're abroad, deal with anything that breaks down in the home when you're gone, etc.?

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If a guy wants to be successful with Polish women or any woman, he needs to only learn two words, "Yes Dear!" in their language and his woman will have a happy marriage and put up with him a little longer.

True, I get the impression Russian/Ukrainian women tend to get quite dictatorial with their men. I think this becomes a lot of the problem WM come up against and torpedoes many an international relationship. Polish women like many women on the quiet no doubt have their own similar take on this.