2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[krimster2]

"Coronavirus: Up to 70% of Germany could become infected - Merkel"


http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-51835856

first troops are deployed in new rochelle, ny to seal it off

[BillyB]

So, not a Chinese biolab error?..

BillyB...you have posted SO much nonsense re this virus...

Nobody knows where this virus came from and if someone does know, they ain't telling.

Some experts in viruses have predicted the new coronavirus was originally housed in a Canadian level-4 bio lab. Level 4 labs house the most dangerous pathogens known to man. With their statements currently floating around I Googled for some past info and found this:

In this July 2019 Canadian article, their Level-4 lab fired a Chinese researcher who travelled to China often and trained those in Wuhan's new level-4 lab. Experts at the time said it could be a case of intellectual property theft that got the Chinese researcher fired. Because she wasn't arrested, it means they don't have proof she stole something, just speculating based on her behavior and frequent travel to China.

http://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/chinese-researcher-escorted-from-infectious-disease-lab-amid-rcmp-investigation-1.5211567

Chinese article below written Sept 18 2019 saying a person in Wuhan was diagnosed with a new kind of coronavirus. My uncle was on a tour of China in the middle of November and his tour group was scheduled to stop in Wuhan. The Chinese military stopped his train and told them to go around Wuhan.

http://www.ctdsb.net/html/2019/0918/sportsMeet260345.html

Translated version of that Chinese article below.

http://translate.google.com/translate?sl=zh-CN&tl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.ctdsb.net%2Fhtml%2F2019%2F0918%2FsportsMeet260345.html

This virus was never found in an animal. It's a beast. Could be genetically engineered to be tougher and deadlier than what Mother Nature throws at us. Doesn't matter now where it came from. We just have to deal with it since China lost control of it. Is it a bio weapon? Humans develop all kinds of bio weapons but not all will be chosen for war. If a nation can't find an antidote or vaccine for a newly discovered bio weapon to protect their troops, the bio weapon remains locked up at the lab. A bioweapon that can be stopped will be chosen for war instead.

Where do  you think it came from? I'm sure you talked to an expert who read a book about viruses and he gave you the inside scoop.

[GQBlues]

Billy, did it ever occurred to you that if there’s any ounce of truth in your story that the Chinese government would immediately skin this scientist alive for inventing a weapon that only kills old farts with underlying medical condition to boot!?!

C’mon man. Hell you're more lethal man cause you’re killing me.

[SANDRO43]

I am old enough to remember the years after the end of WWII, the situation I witness now in Milan reminds me of those almost forgotten days .

Since last Monday, new anti-crowding regulations are in force. Many shops and restaurants decided to close down, fewer people circulating, many face masks in evidence - where did they get them ? - no more than 3 persons at a time allowed to enter food shops, many shelves half empty. Bars are required to serve drinks at tables, not at the counter.

I went to my usual supermarket to buy a few things, the queue before the entrance was  about 50 people - at the recommended interval of at least 1 metre, the delay before finally entering about 30'.

Given the situation, I of course bought a few extra items not to face the same delay again shortly. Other customers came out with overloaded bags.

The Government and our Protezione Civile - the agency managing this crisis - recommended a "stay at home" policy. In effect, Italy is quarantined until April 3rd, no exits allowed from the city of residence unless for valid, written self-certified reasons, like work and serious health conditions. Fines and also arrest for transgressors. Theatres, cinemas, museums, discoes, gyms, stadiums etc. were ordered to close down. Most sports activities cancelled or postponed.

Today the OMS has declared Coronavirus-19  a pandemic. 

China's situation seems to be on the mend, we are negotiating the purchase of several pieces of respiratory equipment and a few million masks from there.

[msmob]

pot, meet kettle.

I'm sorry .. you may have taken a break from here ..perhaps you missed myself and others pointing out Billy's statistical flaws - with examples ..


'Surprise' me with a reasoned argument that my point was incorrect ..

[msmob]

Poor 'ol Italians

Now all shops (other than food establishments) must close ... but restaurants, bars, etc, must close, too ((

Their PM announced it about 40 mins ago

Not sure about hotels ... Saw a British couple interviewed, earlier - they are in Rome - cannot get home and their hotel was closing - as they couldn't afford to stay open (

http://www.weforum.org/agenda/2020/03/suddenly-the-er-is-collapsing-a-doctors-stark-warning-from-italys-coronavirus-epicentre/

Sadly, it seems that ER is near collapse ..

"Patients above 65 or younger with comorbidities are not even assessed by ITU, I am not saying not tubed, I’m saying not assessed and no ITU staff attends when they arrest. Staff are working as much as they can but they are starting to get sick and are emotionally overwhelmed."

 

[IvanM07]

I'm sorry .. you may have taken a break from here ..perhaps you missed myself and others pointing out Billy's statistical flaws - with examples ..


'Surprise' me with a reasoned argument that my point was incorrect ..

Could, but would it change your opinion with infallible evidence such as a Doc you know who knows these things and how he knows better than the CDC or WHO?


Especially after that was proven wrong? Likely not. Didn't you say it's best to get infected and get the infection over with to build an Immunity? Go give that a shot. I heard your Health Minister just caught it. Perhaps you could illuminate her on how the Flu is worse and we need a herd immunity ASAP.

[BillyB]

Billy, did it ever occurred to you that if there’s any ounce of truth in your story that the Chinese government would immediately skin this scientist alive for inventing a weapon that only kills old farts with underlying medical condition to boot!?!

Old people have a greater chance to die from bio weapons, nukes, bullets, flus and falls. This is not a new revelation. Young adults can die from the flu but this new virus greatly multiplies their chances to die. From the link I provided earlier that said males are dying more than women, China also stated 20% of those who died in their country are under 60 yo. Our best experts can't predict the future. We may build an immunity to the virus or this virus may evolve into something more dangerous.

[msmob]

Could, but would it change your opinion with infallible evidence such as a Doc you know who knows these things and how he knows better than the CDC or WHO?

Inattentive, as ever ..  The Doc / Micro-biologist in question are EXACTLY the type of people YOU should be listening to ...

Especially after that was proven wrong? Likely not. Didn't you say it's best to get infected and get the infection over with to build an Immunity?

I meant there might be a school of thought  to get it EARLY.. as if there is a storm like in Italy .. if one gets respiratory problems  - you'd stand less of chance of recovery ...

Once again, inattentive

 I heard your Health Minister just caught it. Perhaps you could illuminate her on how the Flu is worse and we need a herd immunity ASAP.

'A' health minister ... not THE head of the Ministry ..

She's at home - not a hospital ..

Three strikes for inattentiveness

Shame this isn't baseball

[IvanM07]

Inattentive, as ever ..  The Doc / Micro-biologist in question are EXACTLY the type of people YOU should be listening to ...

I meant there might be a school of thought  to get it EARLY.. as if there is a storm like in Italy .. if one gets respiratory problems  - you'd stand less of chance of recovery ...

Once again, inattentive

'A' health minister ... not THE head of the Ministry ..

She's at home - not a hospital ..

Three strikes for inattentiveness

Shame this isn't baseball

Based on previous scores you'd be with a .000 average past Brexit.

Also, how accurate was that school of thought? The one you proposed after speaking to your MD and former MD colleagues who said it was a Flu and not to worry? Don't answer, it's rhetorical we can just go here to find out: http://coronavirus.jhu.edu/map.html



In other news unrelated to putting blinders over your eyes or head in the sand, several more states here declared a state of emergency. We're told at work to go home to work. Headed back to Texas for a mini vacation. Fiancee is worried I may not be able to meet up with her in May/June, her friends are in Milan and are saying it is getting worse (for them) as far as the quarantine.

[msmob]

Based on previous scores you'd be with a .000 average past Brexit.

So, no 'counter' with any facts to support your drive-by troll ..?

Also, how accurate was that school of thought? The one you proposed after speaking to your MD and former MD colleagues who said it was a Flu and not to worry?

I'm not worried .. I'm not in the 'at high risk' age group..

Flu' kills 1000's of elderly ppl in the UK, annually

[IvanM07]

So, no 'counter' with any facts to support your drive-by troll ..?

Pot meet kettle 2x in a day. Color me lucky.

I'm not worried .. I'm not in the 'at high risk' age group..

Flu' kills 1000's of elderly ppl in the UK, annually

We all hope don't we? 


In other news....

Boris Johnson is set to escalate the UK's coronavirus response to the next phase - meaning schools could be forced to close, major sporting events cancelled and people made to work from home.

http://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-uk-set-to-move-to-delay-phase-schools-could-close-and-major-events-cancelled-11955695

[tfcrew]

pot, meet kettle.

That might be an insult to pots and pans.

The latest squawk from the left [CNN CBS MSMBC pundits] is that Republicans.. conservative news.. and Trump supporters are RACIST...calling the virus CHINESE. Thing is these hypocrites were saying that themselves back in January --- The Chinese virus..the Wuhan virus..etc
The Communist leadership over there said knock it off or we will get no more medicines [97% made in China]
 

What is the coronavirus from China and what are the symptoms?

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-what-are-symptoms-fast-facts-china-wuhan-virus-death-toll/
Most of those videos have been removed in compliance with Beijing's orders.
Mark my words...Mr Joe Biden will bow to the Chinese ---his butt in the air.

[fathertime]

The Communist leadership over there said knock it off or we will get no more medicines [97% made in China]
  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-what-are-symptoms-fast-facts-china-wuhan-virus-death-toll/
Most of those videos have been removed in compliance with Beijing's orders.
Mark my words...Mr Joe Biden will bow to the Chinese ---his butt in the air.

world health organization praised china for it's response to the virus...it seems that those in the know disagree with how you are directing your anger. 

Fathertime!

[IvanM07]

That might be an insult to pots and pans.

The latest squawk from the left [CNN CBS MSMBC pundits] is that Republicans.. conservative news.. and Trump supporters are RACIST...calling the virus CHINESE. Thing is these hypocrites were saying that themselves back in January --- The Chinese virus..the Wuhan virus..etc
The Communist leadership over there said knock it off or we will get no more medicines [97% made in China]
  http://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-what-are-symptoms-fast-facts-china-wuhan-virus-death-toll/
Most of those videos have been removed in compliance with Beijing's orders.
Mark my words...Mr Joe Biden will bow to the Chinese ---his butt in the air.

That might be an insult to pots and pans.

Dammit TF, when I'm back in Texas we gotta meet so I can buy you (and yours) a beer.

Dammit TF, when I'm back in Texas we gotta meet so I can buy you (and yours) a beer.

world health organization praised china for it's response to the virus...it seems that those in the know disagree with how you are directing your anger. 

Fathertime!

Time will tell as your UN shows. However I feel like you will be eating crow soon.

[BillyB]

world health organization praised china for it's response to the virus...

WHO gave their praise Jan 9 after China reported the virus showed up Dec 31.

http://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

After praising China for quickly identifying and managing the situation so it doesn't get out of control they said "WHO does not recommend any specific measures for travellers. WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the information currently available."

Basically WHO gave everybody the green light to vacation in China which lost control of a situation that evolved into an epidemic. China didn't allow WHO's scientists and doctors in to evaluate the situation and help stop the virus so WHO took their word that they had it under control. When WHO was refused to evaluate the situation for themselves, it should've raised a big red flag and warnings to the international community should've started earlier.

[IvanM07]

WHO gave their praise Jan 9 after China reported the virus showed up Dec 31.

http://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

After praising China for quickly identifying and managing the situation so it doesn't get out of control they said "WHO does not recommend any specific measures for travellers. WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the information currently available."

Basically WHO gave everybody the green light to vacation in China which lost control of a situation that evolved into an epidemic. China didn't allow WHO's scientists and doctors in to evaluate the situation and help stop the virus so WHO took their word that they had it under control. When WHO was refused to evaluate the situation for themselves, it should've raised a big red flag and warnings to the international community should've started earlier.

As BillyB and everyone else here knows, the WHO is a UN Subsidiary. What do you think would happen if GonaHerpaSiphilAIDS showed up in the USA but wasn't reported for 30 days? The WHO would praise us too. Who is going to say bad things against the hand that feeds it? China Pays the WHO and doesn't want that cash to dry up when they say "Attached"

[fathertime]

WHO gave their praise Jan 9 after China reported the virus showed up Dec 31.

http://www.who.int/china/news/detail/09-01-2020-who-statement-regarding-cluster-of-pneumonia-cases-in-wuhan-china

After praising China for quickly identifying and managing the situation so it doesn't get out of control they said "WHO does not recommend any specific measures for travellers. WHO advises against the application of any travel or trade restrictions on China based on the information currently available."

Basically WHO gave everybody the green light to vacation in China which lost control of a situation that evolved into an epidemic. China didn't allow WHO's scientists and doctors in to evaluate the situation and help stop the virus so WHO took their word that they had it under control. When WHO was refused to evaluate the situation for themselves, it should've raised a big red flag and warnings to the international community should've started earlier.

as trump said during his little speech, 'virus have been around for a long time'.   In this situation look at how little has been done in the US to this point.  We (Along with other nations) have had weeks if not months to take a drastic yet possibly necessary action as china did.  We didn't.   All these weeks/months have gone by, china can't be blamed for that.  Some were even critical when china quarantined 100's of millions of their people.  They took the right approach, while we (The US) may have been downplaying the virus the whole time.  As we speak, I'm reading comments from trump fans still stating how the whole virus is a big hoax and exaggeration.  As is usual, there is plenty of blame that we (The US) can take for our own delayed and potentially inadequate response. 

Fathertime! 

[IvanM07]

as trump said during his little speech, 'virus have been around for a long time'.   In this situation look at how little has been done in the US to this point.  We (Along with other nations) have had weeks if not months to take a drastic yet possibly necessary action as china did.  We didn't.   All these weeks/months have gone by, china can't be blamed for that.  Some were even critical when china quarantined 100's of millions of their people.  They took the right approach, while we (The US) may have been downplaying the virus the whole time.  As we speak, I'm reading comments from trump fans still stating how the whole virus is a big hoax and exaggeration.  As is usual, there is plenty of blame that we (The US) can take for our own delayed and potentially inadequate response. 

Fathertime!

Fathertime,

As a Trump supporter we typically don't agree. But Let's assume today. There's 12 infected would you say inadequate? As the MOST (moobs enhanced) traveled through country yet still only having 1,300 6 weeks later. Would you say that's decent? If not? Please tell me what is your definition of winning? I want to know so I can contact my official.

And possibly, if China did the right approach? What would the left have done if you were infected and took you away? Would they be happy?

in re: to this "have had weeks if not months to take a drastic yet possibly necessary action as china did." exactly what drastic measures are you talking about? I assume like Bernie. Best in theory and not practice.

[fathertime]

Fathertime,

As a Trump supporter we typically don't agree. But Let's assume today. There's 12 infected would you say inadequate? As the MOST (moobs enhanced) traveled through country yet still only having 1,300 6 weeks later. Would you say that's decent? If not? Please tell me what is your definition of winning? I want to know so I can contact my official.

And possibly, if China did the right approach? What would the left have done if you were infected and took you away? Would they be happy?

in re: to this "have had weeks if not months to take a drastic yet possibly necessary action as china did." exactly what drastic measures are you talking about? I assume like Bernie. Best in theory and not practice.

If we let the likes of good old Mooby travel here who knows how many people he will infect with his hard head, fists, and toilet paper.   It seems odd to ban European travel, yet not UK.  Has to be for political reasons, nothing else makes sense.

Yeah, blaming china is silliness, and pointless.  We (The US) have had plenty of time to get serious if the virus is the threat we seem to think it is now.  Yet it is only now, and even now it isn't full measures like China took whereby much of the nation was on some sort of lock down.    We (The US) is big on pointing fingers, without taking responsibility ourselves.  That is probably a reason we have become ostracized or ignored by so many in recent years. 

Fathertime! 

[tfcrew]

world health organization praised china for it's response to the virus

Of course they would--- both WHO and China live off your dime

it seems that those in the know disagree with how you are directing your anger

"In the know"? 

[fathertime]

Of course they would--- both WHO and China live off your dime  "

While I work very hard, I think I live well off of china's dime actually....

Fathertime!   

[BillyB]

In this situation look at how little has been done in the US to this point. 

Considering WHO was telling other nations trade and travel to and from China is fine, America still took action stopping flights and is not as bad off as Europe. Our spy agencies were probably listening on phone calls of Chinese government officials losing control and planning a coverup. Time will let us know how bad we got hit but so far, Europe has a much higher infection rate than America does.

[BillyB]

FT, although WHO praised China in January, Trump imposed major flight restrictions on China in January. Article below. If you check anti Trump fact checking truth o meter sites, they will tell you Trump is lying about travel ban but evidence below that Trump took action in January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html

http://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/

A few days later States complain about Trump's new rules that happened suddenly creating chaos and Democrats criticize there's no prior planning to him making a decision. I guess they wanted Trump to wait longer before enacting the restrictions. Are there any articles out there show Democrats would've taken action faster?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/03/coronavirus-airport-quarantine/

[fathertime]

FT, although WHO praised China in January, Trump imposed major flight restrictions on China in January. Article below. If you check anti Trump fact checking truth o meter sites, they will tell you Trump is lying about travel ban but evidence below that Trump took action in January.

http://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/31/business/china-travel-coronavirus.html

http://www.factcheck.org/2020/03/the-facts-on-trumps-travel-restrictions/

A few days later States complain about Trump's new rules that happened suddenly creating chaos and Democrats criticize there's no prior planning to him making a decision. I guess they wanted Trump to wait longer before enacting the restrictions. Are there any articles out there show Democrats would've taken action faster?

http://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/02/03/coronavirus-airport-quarantine/

I wouldn't compare trump to democrats who aren't in the office of the president...i'd compare trumps actions to what his actions could have been.  I'm not necessarily being critical of trump at this point, but reality is, if he knew the virus was extremely serious, some will say he didn't take enough steps to protect americans.  Others might continue to state that the virus isn't much different than the flu and we are already doing too much. 
Fathertime!