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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #400 on: April 02, 2020, 03:37:00 PM »
Very interesting.  Thanks for posting Phil.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #401 on: April 02, 2020, 04:57:18 PM »
Strange to me how fast Apple can manufacture billions of iPhone in less than a year's time, but we can't manufacture 400 million test kits in 4 months.


Apple had years of development, testing and time to gear up plants to create their phones. The test kits for COVID-19 was developed and produced in less than a month. No test kit is 100% accurate so we have a ways to go before getting things perfected.

I learned 30-40 years ago that Chinese could simply not be trusted and knew nothing about honor, keeping their word, etc.


I remember reading a story of American pilots crash landing in China after bombing Japan. Some pilots died. The Chinese could've left the bodies to rot but they picked up the dead American pilots and passed them village to village and through a group effort the pilots passed through many Chinese hands and were delivered back to the Americans. The amazing thing is nothing was stolen. The gold wedding bands some of the pilots wore were still on their fingers. Through war and suffering, many Chinese could've been desperate and easily tempted to steal something from a dead man but they had enough honor and integrity to help deliver the dead bodies and their possessions back to their families. The current Chinese government is the problem, not the Chinese.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #402 on: April 02, 2020, 06:41:40 PM »
There were reports the virus was already infecting people as early as November, even in Italy.


I remember reading people from other nations saying their flu season last year seemed exceptionally high and make a claim it could've been coronavirus. I seriously doubt any of it's true. If coronavirus hit any nation in November, doctors would've sounded the alarm like the Chinese doctors did and soon after hospitals would be overwhelmed. Whatever happened in Italy in November wasn't coronavirus.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #403 on: April 02, 2020, 06:51:44 PM »
So here's the irony of how these reports actually affect anyone's attitudes, especially the people in charge. A lot of people are now glorifying NY's governor in how he is handling NY's COVID-19 condition. Heck, they're even talking about maybe having him represent the Democratic party's presidential nominee...

People are very short-sighted, or maybe I should say, gullible is likely more appropriate. This is Andrew Cuomo

Quote from: Andrew Cuomo, March 1, 2020
There is no reason for undue anxiety—the general risk remains low in NY. We are diligently managing this situation &will provide info as it becomes available.

That was roughly 30 days after Trump banned incoming flights from China, and Italy was already getting devastated by the virus. Fast forward to present day New York, 30 days after that tweet, New York have almost as much active cases as Italy, and at times Gov. Cuomo is out there blaming Trump for not being 'prepared'.

It's ironic that people blame China, deservedly so, but why rely anything on someone when you already know that someone is unreliable to begin with?

January 27, 2020. 2 months since China began their battle with the virus, 3 days prior to Trump implementing the flight ban, here's CDC's statement:

Quote from: CDC
The risk of U.S. residents becoming infected by the coronavirus that's devastating China remains low right now, public health officials said Monday, even as there's growing pressure to ramp up U.S. and international pandemic preparedness.

Death Rate? Nah...in hindsight, no one care and took it seriously enough. However, had China instead reported infection number, maybe just maybe, people would've taken a little more attention.

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Apple had years of development, testing and time to gear up plants to create their phones. The test kits for COVID-19 was developed and produced in less than a month. No test kit is 100% accurate so we have a ways to go before getting things perfected.

There was a 20% failure rate. 20%. Which easily means it was accurate 8 out of 10 times. Today, they've only tested a little over a million. Getting close to identifying our 80% of our population on whether who is infected or not is so much better than where we are today.

JIMHO.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #404 on: April 02, 2020, 06:54:09 PM »
I remember reading people from other nations saying their flu season last year seemed exceptionally high and make a claim it could've been coronavirus. I seriously doubt any of it's true. If coronavirus hit any nation in November, doctors would've sounded the alarm like the Chinese doctors did and soon after hospitals would be overwhelmed. Whatever happened in Italy in November wasn't coronavirus.

I posted an Italian doctor's admission he was receiving reports from GPs in Lombardy region that numerous unexplained severe cases of pneumonia was happening even as far back as November.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #405 on: April 02, 2020, 07:18:26 PM »
I posted an Italian doctor's admission he was receiving reports from GPs in Lombardy region that numerous unexplained severe cases of pneumonia was happening even as far back as November.


The Italian government should dig up the dead bodies and test them for the virus. Chances are Italy was hit by something else because if Italy had the virus in November, they would've been on fire the same time or earlier than China.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #406 on: April 03, 2020, 08:55:49 AM »

Captain of an aircraft carrier reassigned after he allowed his letters to his superiors to leak out. I'm pretty sure he won't ever attain the rank of admiral.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/exclusive-commander-of-coronavirus-stricken-aircraft-carrier-reassigned-not-thrown-out/ar-BB125M2S?ocid=spartanntp
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #407 on: April 03, 2020, 08:58:41 AM »
I WAS going to post this, but waited for a 'Murican ..

The Captain did the right thing and will be treated in the same way as the Chinese 'whistle-blower' Doctor ... 


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #408 on: April 03, 2020, 09:48:52 AM »
The Captain did the right thing and will be treated in the same way as the Chinese 'whistle-blower' Doctor ...


The Captain did the right thing about caring for his sailors but failed to the right thing when communicating through his superiors. The captain either didn't use secure channels to communicate with his superiors or let his letter to the Pentagon leak out. He was negligent and deserved to be relieved of his command of the ship. The ship needs a leader that cares about the sailors and knows how to behave properly.

Some people think this virus is no dangerous than the flu. Some people think this virus will kill everybody. I suspect the captain being one who greatly fears the virus. He's supposed to be the kind of person that will go to war and be in harms way, not run away.

Although we aren't in a war time situation and options are available, the captain criticizing the Pentagon for not acting fast enough was out of line. He basically questioned his superiors about how much they care about the sailors. Contrary to the Captain's belief, a ship with people who have an infectious disease just can't go immediately dock somewhere. Permission needs to be obtained by federal, state, and local governments which is not an easy task with all those entities involved. Trump had to ask Florida's governor to accept two civilian cruise ships. The Pentagon got that aircraft carrier a place to dock and unload faster than any civilian cruise ship companies could for their own ships infected with passengers. The captain should've realized his superiors hands were tied until a government gives them permission to dock. The captain is a smart guy but not smart enough.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #409 on: April 03, 2020, 10:31:09 AM »
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #410 on: April 03, 2020, 10:59:02 AM »
As long as we're on humour, someone sent me this the other day.  Some may not like it but we should be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes.

I remember chuckling at some Obama potshot memes as well, so here it is:

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #411 on: April 03, 2020, 11:05:58 AM »
The Captain did the right thing about caring for his sailors


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #412 on: April 03, 2020, 11:06:26 AM »
As long as we're on humour, someone sent me this the other day.  Some may not like it but we should be able to laugh at ourselves sometimes.

I remember chuckling at some Obama potshot memes as well, so here it is:

Okay BC....I'll give you a 2-minutes of chuckle on that one  :devil:
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #413 on: April 03, 2020, 11:14:36 AM »
 ;D

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #414 on: April 03, 2020, 11:30:01 AM »

End of

Now go worry about the more than a dozen cruise ships that are sitting around Australia. The tiny nations those ships are registered in that they pay taxes to can't handle all the ships problems.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/no-port-in-a-storm-australia-tells-virus-stricken-cruise-ships-to-go-home/ar-BB126RO0?ocid=spartanntp


Italy suspects Russia planting spies among the doctors Russia sent over?

http://www.yahoo.com/news/italy-russia-spar-over-alleged-coronavirus-spies-165449595.html


Cuomo seizing ventilators and telling private hospitals to sue him if they disagree.

http://www.yahoo.com/news/york-governor-vows-seize-ventilators-163116733.html


Also in the article:

The head of the International Monetary Fund says the recession sparked by the coronavirus pandemic is “way worse” than the 2008 global recession.

IMF managing director Kristalina Georgieva described the situation as “a crisis like no other”.

“Never in the history of the IMF have we witnessed the world economy coming to a standstill,” she said.

“We are now in recession, it is way worse than the global financial crisis and it is a crisis that requires all of us to come together.”

Ms Georgieva says 90 countries have already approached the institution for emergency financing.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #415 on: April 03, 2020, 11:41:24 AM »

[Trump cartoon]


Good one.  I bet Trump would laugh at it, even if CNN's Jim Acosta delivered it. 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #416 on: April 03, 2020, 12:09:45 PM »
The Captain did the right thing about caring for his sailors but failed to the right thing when communicating through his superiors. The captain either didn't use secure channels to communicate with his superiors or let his letter to the Pentagon leak out. He was negligent and deserved to be relieved of his command of the ship. The ship needs a leader that cares about the sailors and knows how to behave properly.



http://www.thedailybeast.com/army-warned-in-early-february-that-coronavirus-could-kill-150000-americans?ref=author

Maybe Capt. Crozier got a similar briefing and saw no action.




Italy suspects Russia planting spies among the doctors Russia sent over?

http://www.yahoo.com/news/italy-russia-spar-over-alleged-coronavirus-spies-165449595.html


That's why all the pizzerias are closed, so no recipes can be stolen by spies.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #417 on: April 03, 2020, 12:32:25 PM »
http://www.thedailybeast.com/army-warned-in-early-february-that-coronavirus-could-kill-150000-americans?ref=author

Maybe Capt. Crozier got a similar briefing and saw no action.


According to the link, the Army had a briefing in February. Trump took action in January. Army was a little behind. Trump already had medical experts advising him in January. The fact our CDC experts were denied entry by China didn't go unnoticed by Trump. Regardless how many articles you read by anti Trump media, you can't find an article by the media or statements by a Democrat about Trump not taking action against the virus fast enough in January. Why? Because they had more important things to do in January and February such as impeaching Trump. A virus wasn't even on their radar until Trump placed travel restrictions on China.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #418 on: April 03, 2020, 12:40:29 PM »

Nations are returning hundreds of thousands, if not millions of PPE and test kits to China that fail to meet standards. This is a huge setback to nations that urgently need the supplies.

http://news.yahoo.com/chinese-government-rejects-allegations-face-192334486.html
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #419 on: April 03, 2020, 01:11:41 PM »
Trump took action in January. Army was a little behind.

Was the Army really behind?

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And again, when you have 15 people, and the 15 within a couple of days is going to be down to close to zero, that’s a pretty good job we’ve done.

D.J. Trump, February 26 2020

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-conference/

Re-reading the transcript is quite depressing when one thinks what could have been done in all this time.  The president and NSC were all well aware.

First lockdowns in Italy 21 Feb.  All schools closed 4 March and the national lockdown began 9 March.

You keep bringing up Trump 'doing something' with incoming foreigners on flights as if this one act saved America...  Do you really feel that way today?



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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #420 on: April 03, 2020, 01:49:07 PM »
Was the Army really behind?

D.J. Trump, February 26 2020

http://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-vice-president-pence-members-coronavirus-task-force-press-conference/

Re-reading the transcript is quite depressing when one thinks what could have been done in all this time.  The president and NSC were all well aware.

First lockdowns in Italy 21 Feb.  All schools closed 4 March and the national lockdown began 9 March.

You keep bringing up Trump 'doing something' with incoming foreigners on flights as if this one act saved America...  Do you really feel that way today?


Trump did a good job in that speech. He prevented panic although he knew what was coming. Panic will kill more than the virus. You have bought into the media narrative that Trump lies or didn't know what he was talking about months ago pertaining to the virus. You seem to think Trump who is surrounded by experts didn't have any projections other than the Army projection to look at so he was clueless.

 If only a couple dozen people died in early February and Trump disclosed the Army briefing notes that 150,000 Americans can die causing people stampede over each other and shoot each other for the last little food and toilet paper on the shelves with thousands dying, you guys would be the first to say Trump was reckless and stupid although he told the truth so he must be impeached because he doesn't know how to manage a crisis. Trump can't win with you guys.

As to your question, yes I feel that way today. Trump banned foreign nationals that were in China from coming to America. Trump then left governors in charge of their states to monitor their own situations. Many governors have stay at home orders. One state failed to act soon enough and that was NY. They now account for over a third of America's infections and over a third of America's deaths. NY is doing as bad as European nations. What about your leaders? They do everything right?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #421 on: April 03, 2020, 01:58:00 PM »
Billy,

You're inventing the lamest of excuses - again... that Trump had it all figured out from the beginning. But ok you're entitled to believe it.

Why would the US panic from the truth?  No panic here, no panic in Germany, where is there panic elsewhere?  Are we Americans panicky?

New York is our Milan and nothing more.  Deaths are not limited to Milan nor will they be limited to New York.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #422 on: April 03, 2020, 02:15:33 PM »
Why would the US panic from the truth? 


You complain when you didn't get the truth but if Trump gave the truth adding to deaths and suffering, you'd complain again. Trump can't win.

No panic here, no panic in Germany, where is there panic elsewhere?  Are we Americans panicky?


Can you show me some European articles where you got the truth early February claiming hundreds of thousands of people in Europe will die? You didn't get the truth and that is why Europeans didn't panic. But leaders over there don't get blamed like Trump because you like their politics.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #423 on: April 03, 2020, 02:35:02 PM »
This is an eye popping reality of the US unemployment condition today when compared to as far back as 50+ years ago, including the financial collapse of 2008/2009.

http://www.macrotrends.net/1365/jobless-claims-historical-chart

Notice how the current jobless claim shot straight up in stark comparison from previous decades.
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« Reply #424 on: April 03, 2020, 08:50:37 PM »
I WAS going to post this, but waited for a 'Murican ..

The Captain did the right thing and will be treated in the same way as the Chinese 'whistle-blower' Doctor ...
EXCELLENT point. 

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