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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #450 on: April 05, 2020, 07:56:36 AM »
TICKING TIME BOMBS?

Why are less developed nations reporting very low number of cases?   I assume it is because they can not afford the expense of extensive testing.  Fewer tests will produce fewer cases.  Consider these  three nations in the subcontinent.


                     Population       Number of Cases

Pakistan             200 million                1,865

Bangladesh         160 million                    51


India               1,300 million               1,251 


They have densely populated areas where social co-mingling is as problematic as in NYC, if not worse.  If these numbers are due to the lack of testing, I contend they are ticking time bombs with number of deaths more catastrophic than in NYC, giving rise to the doomsday envisioned by Krimster.   

Consider India.  India a few days ago implemented a stringent lockdown.  It inadvertently caused 45 million migrant workers to flee the large cities and  return to their villages, possibly accelerating the areal spread.  Such has implications for starvation.   

 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #451 on: April 05, 2020, 08:19:53 AM »
We now have loonies setting fire to 5G transmission sites   WHY ? .. Because they 'lower immunity'

Some folks are WAY too bored

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-52172570

"We have received several reports of criminal damage to phone masts and abuse of telecoms engineers apparently inspired by crackpot conspiracy theories circulating online," a spokeswoman for the Department for Digital, Culture, Media and Sport told the BBC."

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #452 on: April 05, 2020, 09:01:57 AM »
TICKING TIME BOMBS?

I actually watched a short documentary report yesterday and tried to search it online but I can't find it. It's about Japan, and the very limited testing they've done, or *willing to do*. They are apparently are in no lockdown mode, and are actually being encouraged to go to work and continue living completely impervious to current pandemic. As their Ministry of Health's deputy director Takuma Kato once proclaimed..

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In the first place, we believe there is not so much need for testing in Japan as in other countries. Japan is not experiencing an explosion of infection numbers with severe symptoms as seen in countries like Italy and South Korea.

Maybe the Japanese knows what they're doing. Who knows.
« Last Edit: April 05, 2020, 09:07:59 AM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #453 on: April 05, 2020, 10:28:25 AM »
Maybe the Japanese knows what they're doing. Who knows.


Here's a 2018 article which may explain why the virus can't get a foothold in Japan.

http://gogonihon.com/en/blog/why-do-japanese-people-wear-masks/
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #454 on: April 05, 2020, 10:33:58 AM »
GQB

Do you have family in Japan ? ... Thought not .. IF you did you'd appreciate we compare notes re wearing of masks, govt policy, etc.,

The number of known Coronavirus cases is doubling every five days....

The US embassy is asking US citizens to get out ..

"While we have confidence in Japan's health care system today, we believe a significant increase in Covid-19 cases makes it difficult to predict how the system will be functioning in the coming weeks. In the event of a spike in cases, US citizens with pre-existing medical conditions may not be able to receive the medical care they have grown accustomed to in Japan prior to the Covid-19 pandemic."

Japan appears to be EXACTLY on the same curve as Spain / Italy, historically.

The PM may have to change course. 

Here's a 2018 article which may explain why the virus can't get a foothold in Japan.

http://gogonihon.com/en/blog/why-do-japanese-people-wear-masks/


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #455 on: April 05, 2020, 10:43:19 AM »
Japan appears to be EXACTLY on the same curve as Spain / Italy, historically.


No they're not. You're making stuff up..... again. With everybody wearing masks in Japan, it's hard for the virus to infect others as easily as what happened in Spain and Italy.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #456 on: April 05, 2020, 10:47:05 AM »
No they're not. You're making stuff up..... again. With everybody wearing masks in Japan, it's hard for the virus to infect others as easily as what happened in Spain and Italy.

http://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/03/asia/tokyo-coronavirus-japan-hnk-intl/index.html

Ooops

My son-in-law and CNN are both 'making it' up ..

BillyB's 'fake news' is ( so often)  fact ..

« Last Edit: April 05, 2020, 08:36:26 PM by msmob »

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #457 on: April 05, 2020, 10:59:18 AM »
My son-in-law and CNN are both 'making it' up ..


If that is what they say, then they are making it up. The culture in Japan is totally different than in Italy and Spain. No nation can stop the spread of the virus but masks significantly slow down the spread so when they say cases in Japan are going to explode like they did in Italy and Spain, they are wrong.

Japan has done very little testing. They tell people who are sick to stay home and monitor what goes on in the hospital. There's not enough activity by the virus to shut down their economy or spend tons of money to test everybody.

When do you think nations should shut down the economy? When the first case shows up? Like Trump said, the cure can be worse than the problem. Can't shut it down too early but can't wait too long either like NY, Spain and Italy done.

Faeroe Islands have done the best job testing their population since 1 out of every 10 of their citizens have been tested. No other nation comes close to testing 10% of their population.

http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #458 on: April 05, 2020, 12:01:31 PM »
There are of course social norms in each country that can speed up or slow down the infection rate along with demographic and population health differences.

Just an example, France, Italy and Spain are all close-contact and kissing countries.

Bottom line, such can slow but not stop this virus.  It seems to slowly reach a critical point and blooms from there rapidly.

Germany has been interesting to watch, a ton of testing and tracking kept numbers low, but now they are Nr 4 in the world also hitting the 100k mark.

The only proven way to fight the virus effectively is to simply stay home.  Even Norway and Sweden with their different 'ways' confirms this.


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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #459 on: April 05, 2020, 12:52:37 PM »
Here's a 2018 article which may explain why the virus can't get a foothold in Japan.

http://gogonihon.com/en/blog/why-do-japanese-people-wear-masks/

It's the damnedest thing...but yes, Japanese were angered by Abe's response to the pandemic by initiating a plan of giving 'two masks' per person in their battle against the virus. This after starting to see the spread of the virus...but before that... -

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Over the past week, Japan has scrambled to avert an explosive surge in infections. While the current tally stands at around 2,300 cases, Japan — a country of over 127 million people — has tested only about 30,000 residents. Neighboring South Korea, with a population of about 51 million, carried out 394,000 tests.

Of that 30,000, only less than 20,000 were actually 'tested':

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While Japanese doctors have carried out more than 32,000 tests, only 16,484 people have actually been tested, given that many are often tested multiple times.

According to this report
« Last Edit: April 05, 2020, 12:59:43 PM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #460 on: April 05, 2020, 01:02:34 PM »

Assuming Japan is telling the truth, their infections is low and their deaths are low. One can argue they aren't doing enough tests but Japan can argue, their hospitals aren't busy as proof they don't have a high amount of infections.

No country in the world except Faeroe Islands have tested 10% of their population. No test kit is 100% accurate and many of the test kits China is sending other countries is about 30% accurate.

With masks and social distancing, I"m sure Japan will keep their numbers low. When a second outbreak happens, nations hope to achieve what Japan did in their first outbreak.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #461 on: April 05, 2020, 01:07:17 PM »
#

Ooops

My son-in-law and CNN are both 'making it' up ..

BillyB's 'fake news' is ( so often)  fact ..

My nephew lives in Japan, my sister in law is from Japan and
I have a niece and 2 other nephews who have spent every
summer in Japan for 15 years.

I do know that you don't call Japanese "Japs" which you have
done in the past because they consider it a racial slur. You have
no special knowledge or expertise of Japan or of Japanese people.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #462 on: April 05, 2020, 01:30:57 PM »
GQB

Do you have family in Japan ? ... Thought not .. IF you did you'd appreciate we compare notes re wearing of masks, govt policy, etc.,

We didn't 'compare notes'. I simply showed you the error of your ways and shoved it up your ass, like I often do. The exchanges are still there and my posts not deleted (as of 4/5/2020 1:39 PST). Check it again if you'd like to make sure..
« Last Edit: April 05, 2020, 01:39:58 PM by GQBlues »
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #463 on: April 05, 2020, 02:08:19 PM »
Details are beginning to emerge - at great cost to those getting the information out - that China was indeed experimenting with the Corona Virus at the Woohan Institute of Virology.

According to one of the clandestine posts, the Chinese are well aware of who their Typhoid Mary case is and how he caught the disease and spread it through the 'live food' markets.

If, indeed, China is covering this up (who makes up figures for cell phone termination and numbers of urns unless they are somewhat based in reality?) there is going to be hell to pay.   

If this virus originated and escaped from that place, every nation in the country will condemn China.   People will be furious.   To the point of choosing not to buy Chinese products.   Last month China reported a 17% drop in their economy (GDP).    If the people of the world find out that China has been covering this up (which they have) then a 50% reduction is not too hard to fathom.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #464 on: April 05, 2020, 02:46:10 PM »
Jon e, show us some websites that you obtained this info from.

Sounds like blockbuster news to me.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #465 on: April 05, 2020, 02:57:59 PM »
I've seen the links and the reference points.   They were up for a day, then taken down.   In addition, most of the medical staff who worked on the Corona Virus as the Woohan central hospital are now missing.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #466 on: April 05, 2020, 03:54:07 PM »
I've seen the links and the reference points.   They were up for a day, then taken down.   In addition, most of the medical staff who worked on the Corona Virus as the Woohan central hospital are now missing.

Were the postings in English or Chinese ?
What are 'reference points' ?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #467 on: April 05, 2020, 04:13:48 PM »
Billy-

Congrats over there up in WA! Trump just informed that your governor decided to send back, send back!! 400 ventilators! Great news! That's awesome considering WA was the epicenter on the virus in the beginning.

1.670 million tested in the US! Obviously the reason why the high count of confirmed cases. Not bad if you consider the CDC fiasco in the beginning.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #468 on: April 05, 2020, 05:54:30 PM »
The Florida Dept of Health COVID-19 Dashboard, now report number of cases by postal zip code. 

If more than 5 cases, the exact number of cases is listed.  Zero cases is also shown.  If 1-5, the number of cases is reported as 1- 5 to protect individual rights. 
 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #469 on: April 05, 2020, 07:19:15 PM »
Billy-

Congrats over there up in WA! Trump just informed that your governor decided to send back, send back!! 400 ventilators! Great news! That's awesome considering WA was the epicenter on the virus in the beginning.

1.670 million tested in the US! Obviously the reason why the high count of confirmed cases. Not bad if you consider the CDC fiasco in the beginning.

That is good news. I don't like my governor's politics but it's great he's not sitting on them ventilators if we're not needing them and letting go to other parts of America that could use them. Teamwork and cooperation is what we need to save lives and combat the virus, not politics.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #470 on: April 05, 2020, 08:31:40 PM »
Were the postings in English or Chinese ?
What are 'reference points' ?

There were two independent and separate statements given.   They had full detail, including the name of patient zero.  I went back through my browsing history and looked up the articles, which came from Chinese National periodicals (Taiwan?) and they were subsequently removed.

My guess is that they will surface again once the background work is completed.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #471 on: April 05, 2020, 08:46:40 PM »
When BillyB got busted .. AGAIN ..

If that is what they say, then they are making it up. The culture in Japan is totally different than in Italy and Spain. No nation can stop the spread of the virus but masks significantly slow down the spread so when they say cases in Japan are going to explode like they did in Italy and Spain, they are wrong.

Japan has done very little testing. They tell people who are sick to stay home and monitor what goes on in the hospital. There's not enough activity by the virus to shut down their economy or spend tons of money to test everybody.

When do you think nations should shut down the economy? When the first case shows up? Like Trump said, the cure can be worse than the problem. Can't shut it down too early but can't wait too long either like NY, Spain and Italy done.


http://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/



http://www.channelnewsasia.com/news/asia/coronavirus-covid-19-japan-state-of-emergency-12612284


Japan PM Shinzo Abe could declare state of emergency as early as Tuesday amid COVID-19 outbreak

Abe will likely announce his plans to declare the emergency on Monday, the paper said, while Kyodo news agency said new measures would likely come into force on Wednesday.


Many folk in Japan wore masks .. but surgical ones - which are practically USELESS - and the govt had offered its citizens two masks per head of population ..

Yes, saving lives is more important than the economy, you IDIOT.. the economy can recover..

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[The ]Faeroe Islands have done the best job testing their population since 1 out of every 10 of their citizens have been tested. No other nation comes close to testing 10% of their population.

That's your 'example' .. A tiny island group ? ..Where folks are easier to trace.. ?









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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #472 on: April 05, 2020, 08:51:48 PM »
Details are beginning to emerge - at great cost to those getting the information out - that China was indeed experimenting with the Corona Virus at the Woohan Institute of Virology.

According to one of the clandestine posts, the Chinese are well aware of who their Typhoid Mary case is and how he caught the disease and spread it through the 'live food' markets.

If, indeed, China is covering this up (who makes up figures for cell phone termination and numbers of urns unless they are somewhat based in reality?) there is going to be hell to pay.   

If this virus originated and escaped from that place, every nation in the country will condemn China.   People will be furious.   To the point of choosing not to buy Chinese products.   Last month China reported a 17% drop in their economy (GDP).    If the people of the world find out that China has been covering this up (which they have) then a 50% reduction is not too hard to fathom.
At this point it speculation but you have your mind made up clearly.  I'm sure it is just a coincidence that you are trying to drum up support to destroy china's rising economy, same as you were before the virus.  If you can't compete with them, destroy them by any means necessary, that is how it is done here in the USA!
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #473 on: April 05, 2020, 09:25:35 PM »
You have no special knowledge or expertise of Japan or of Japanese people.

'Sorry', Bill.. but when it comes to BillyB's BOLLOX - I do ..


Do you agree with him, that the Japanese have the situation 'under control' and aren't just about to introduce a emergency measures as new cases are increasing exponentially ?

When you refer to England and mean Britain - it's an insult .. does it stop you ... ?






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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #474 on: April 05, 2020, 09:49:35 PM »
Many folk in Japan wore masks ..


Japan is right next to China and they haven't declared a state of emergency yet. Even if they do, they are 45 days behind Western nations which means they have a very slow spread compared to others. Figure it out.
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