2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[BillyB]

You as bad as the media, trying to sensationalize every minute story that comes out. Don't care about whether there is any truth or not , it's a story!!

So the stories that are not the truth are the ones you don't agree with? You're a talking head!! Many are here!!!

I wish more of you would get upset with fake news media as you do with me. Maybe we'll get more accurate stories. The story I linked wasn't minute. It was extremely important, not because the border got closed which is what you focused on but because China is experiencing a second wave of outbreaks. Their draconian style lock downs was just a temporary solution.

[2tallbill]

Did Sweden blunder? Or did everyone else?
http://jewishworldreview.com/jeff/jacoby040920.php3


Sweden's Relaxed Approach to the Coronavirus Could Already Be Backfiring
http://time.com/5817412/sweden-coronavirus/


Sweden Thinks Herd Immunity Is the Answer to Coronavirus
http://www.vice.com/en_us/article/xgqjyd/sweden-thinks-herd-immunity-is-the-answer-to-coronavirus

[BC]

So the stories that are not the truth are the ones you don't agree with? You're a talking head!! Many are here!!!

That discussion is well worth its own topic.

[msmob]

Countries will normally let their own citizens back in if 'closed'.

'Indeed' ?

I'll mention this to our friend Anatoly in Pattaya.. He'll be glad to know.. given his April 5th Flight was cancelled, his wife had a an unscheduled hysterectomy and he's still in Thailand ..

SC got back in on the 26th March as the shutters were coming down, later that day.

Russia closed it's border with Georgia - even to citizens in private vehicles - other than freight traffic - on the 28th . The border with Azerbaijan remained open, but no way to cross from GE to AZ...((

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2020/03/coronavirus-travel-restrictions-border-shutdowns-country-200318091505922.html


Russian citizens, still abroad, await 'repatriation' flights being organised..

http://www.rferl.org/a/russia-evacuation-coronavirus-foreign/30532004.html


http://thethaiger.com/coronavirus/stranded-nearly-21000-russians-struggling-to-get-home

The Phuket journal seems to ignore Pattaya..

 

 

[GQBlues]

The state of Washington is shipping out the federal provided ventilators and FEMA’s hospital beds that were set-up at the convention center.  Gov. Inslee said they can spare these at this time and hoped to stay the current course.

Good news and great job Washington!

[GQBlues]

Is Ivermectin the new HCQ? Australia seem to think so.

[Grumpy]

Is Ivermectin the new HCQ? Australia seem to think so.

I suppose a good deworming might make you feel better.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1122/ivermectin-oral/details

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229893

Second link is more on topic.

[ML]

Washington University in St Louis launches investigation of chloroquine.

http://www.union-bulletin.com/news/national/washington-university-launches-clinical-trial-on-controversial-drug-to-treat-coronavirus/article_6dd937a3-f9f9-5afb-8275-8698375c71aa.html

[msmob]

I can't be arsed to start a VPN to read ML's link

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May I please ask folk to note that they are probably referring to HCQ not CQ..

[Grumpy]

I can't be arsed to start a VPN to read ML's link

"451: Unavailable due to legal reasons
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May I please ask folk to note that they are probably referring to HCQ not CQ..

The trial will look at different combinations of chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin. Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have been used to treat malaria and some inflammatory conditions, but have not been proven as treatment for COVID-19.

[msmob]

The trial will look at different combinations of chloroquine, hydroxychloroquine and the antibiotic azithromycin. Hydroxychloroquine and chloroquine have been used to treat malaria and some inflammatory conditions, but have not been proven as treatment for COVID-19.

Thanks, Grumpy

I have a v.close relative that has reason to take HCQ as part of a cocktail of potentially lethal drugs and some utter plonkers have been buying up stock due to some v.dodgy clinical trials

http://www.bmj.com/content/369/bmj.m1432

[GQBlues]

I suppose a good deworming might make you feel better.

http://www.webmd.com/drugs/2/drug-1122/ivermectin-oral/details

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=229893

Second link is more on topic.

I knew what the drug is for, but it is in clinical trial currently as a covid treatment.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/928345
http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0166354220302011

Unlike HCQ, which immobilizes the virus as the person immunity then destroys it, the drug appears to identify the virus as a parasite and attacks it and prevents it from replicating.

[BillyB]

Also from ML's article

The goal of the Washington University trial is to determine if any of the medications decrease the severity or duration of respiratory symptoms associated with the new coronavirus.

“There have been only a few small studies that have evaluated chloroquine and hydroxychloroquine in patients with COVID-19 infection, and the results are unclear,” infectious disease specialist Rachel M. Presti said in a statement. Presti is an associate professor of medicine, and is co-leading the trial.

Patients hospitalized with confirmed cases of COVID-19 at Barnes-Jewish Hospital will be enrolled.

There will be four groups of patients in the trial. One will receive chloroquine, a second will receive hydroxychloroquine, a third will receive chloroquine and azithromycin, and the fourth will receive hydroxychloroquine and azithromycin.

What is missing from the article is at what level of COVID-19 the test subjects will have when given the medicines. These medicines were given to mostly old patients in critical conditions in hospitals. I can't imagine they'll allow patients in critical condition to leave the hospital to go to a test lab. They'll probably test the medicines on younger people that are not in critical condition. Also, not only do they need to find medicines that work, they need to find the dosage that is ideal. There will be many tests involved. The good thing is those medicines have already been tested on other diseases so they already know the safe levels they can prescribe the medicine to people.

[Grumpy]

As doctors learn more about the disease, however, both frontline experience and a few small studies are leading him and others to question how, and how often, mechanical ventilators are used for Covid-19.

The first batch of evidence relates to how often the machines fail to help. “Contrary to the impression that if extremely ill patients with Covid-19 are treated with ventilators they will live and if they are not, they will die, the reality is far different,” said geriatric and palliative care physician Muriel Gillick of Harvard Medical School.

Researchers in Wuhan, for instance, reported that, of 37 critically ill Covid-19 patients who were put on mechanical ventilators, 30 died within a month. In a U.S. study of patients in Seattle, only one of the seven patients older than 70 who were put on a ventilator survived; just 36% of those younger than 70 did. And in a study published by JAMA on Monday, physicians in Italy reported that nearly 90% of 1,300 critically ill patients with Covid-19 were intubated and put on a ventilator; only 11% received noninvasive ventilation. One-quarter died in the ICU; 58% were still in the ICU, and 16% had been discharged.

Older patients who do survive risk permanent cognitive and respiratory damage from being on heavy sedation for many days if not weeks and from the intubation, Gillick said.

To be sure, the mere need for ventilators in Covid-19 patients suggests many in the studies were so critically ill their chances of survival were poor no matter what care they received.

But one of the most severe consequences of Covid-19 suggests another reason the ventilators aren’t more beneficial. In acute respiratory distress syndrome, which results from immune cells ravaging the lungs and kills many Covid-19 patients, the air sacs of the lungs become filled with a gummy yellow fluid. “That limits oxygen transfer from the lungs to the blood even when a machine pumps in oxygen,” Gillick said.

As patients go downhill, protocols developed for other respiratory conditions call for increasing the force with which a ventilator delivers oxygen, the amount of oxygen, or the rate of delivery, she explained. But if oxygen can’t cross into the blood from the lungs in the first place, those measures, especially greater force, may prove harmful. High levels of oxygen impair the lung’s air sacs, while high pressure to force in more oxygen damages the lungs.

http://www.statnews.com/2020/04/08/doctors-say-ventilators-overused-for-covid-19/

[ML]

Really great news Grumpy !!

You had better be glad this isn't ancient Greek times where those like you who deliver bad news would be . . . .

[msmob]

Unlike HCQ, which immobilizes the virus as the person immunity then destroys it..

It is thought - in some cases ... you post as if it is a known panacea..   

[BC]

'Indeed' ?

I'll mention this to our friend Anatoly in Pattaya.. He'll be glad to know.. given his April 5th Flight was cancelled, his wife had a an unscheduled hysterectomy and he's still in Thailand ..

If it is about flights being cancelled, that is a commercial and not .gov matter.

[BillyB]

Trump had his briefing and answered questions.

He said America is doing fine and we will have a surplus of PPE and ventilators to send to Mexico and Europe. He said because Americans have made good decisions our projected deaths may be below 60K.

He was asked about Sweden not closing schools and their approach to the virus. Trump said he' seeing problems in Sweden develop and said if we took the same approach, we'd have 2 million dead.

He criticized China for many things and said they get their way many times in international organizations because they have favorable status being labeled a developing nation.

One reporter who's always nasty to Trump said governors complain they don't have enough supplies. Trump asked him to name the governors which the reporter didn't do. Trump said his administration is on the phone with governors everyday and they compliment on what a good job the federal government is doing. He said there are fewer calls because there are less emergencies and it's why there is an abundance of PPE and ventilators to where he can begin to make decisions to sending the supplies to other countries. Trump even said there are empty beds in New York and on hospital ships so if anything, they over did it when preparing for the virus.

[Gator]

.... In a U.S. study of patients in Seattle, only one of the seven patients older than 70 who were put on a ventilator survived; just 36% of those younger than 70 did. And in a study published by JAMA on Monday, physicians in Italy reported that nearly 90% of 1,300 critically ill patients with Covid-19 were intubated and put on a ventilator; only 11% received noninvasive ventilation. One-quarter died in the ICU; 58% were still in the ICU, and 16% had been discharged...

Similar to summary information I heard from medical interviews that half of those placed on ventilators succumbed.   

[BC]

Was talking to my son today.  His MD friend in a large German city told him that the biggest problem he sees lies with obesity, even more so than pre-existing respiratory conditions.  Not only do the lungs and heart have to work overtime to oxygenate a larger body, but that additional weight also impedes the lungs to expand to their potential.

[msmob]

If it is about flights being cancelled, that is a commercial and not .gov matter.

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The Russian Federation banned all flights inbound from midnight on the 27th March .. irrespective of firm / nationality of the carrier - charter and scheduled  ...

[krimster2]

yes, the Russians got the Truman in addition to the Roosevelt...
and the Persians have lined Hormuz with missiles...
gettin ready to rumble BOYZ?

[BC]

The Russian Federation banned all flights inbound from midnight on the 27th March .. irrespective of firm / nationality of the carrier - charter and scheduled  ...

Is Russia denying entry to their own citizens that show up at a border checkpoint? 

[mhr7]

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The Russian Federation banned all flights inbound from midnight on the 27th March .. irrespective of firm / nationality of the carrier - charter and scheduled  ...

Actually it was the 18th of March. I was due to fly to Russia on the 17th from JFK to SVO and Aeroflot wouldn't let me board because I would have landed on the 18th after the border was closed.

[LAman]

Was talking to my son today.  His MD friend in a large German city told him that the biggest problem he sees lies with obesity, even more so than pre-existing respiratory conditions.  Not only do the lungs and heart have to work overtime to oxygenate a larger body, but that additional weight also impedes the lungs to expand to their potential.

Give that obese person a double-double cheeseburger , that'll increase their lung size!!! ))


One of biggest problems with obese people is they are very likely to be diabetic, along with other heart issues.