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« on: July 24, 2017, 02:36:40 AM »
Is there such a thing as professional daters? Girls who meet with men simply for the fun of it and maybe take advantage. What would be the typical signs? I'm not talking prostitutes here. My mind drifted along these lines when I returned home from Ukraine.
Also where can I go to search for the most recent and reliable dating sites?
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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2017, 07:32:06 AM »
Is there such a thing as professional daters? Girls who meet with men simply for the fun of it and maybe take advantage.


Just like there are plenty of sec tourists.  ;)
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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #2 on: July 24, 2017, 07:36:24 AM »
Is there such a thing as professional daters? Girls who meet with men simply for the fun of it and maybe take advantage. What would be the typical signs? I'm not talking prostitutes here. My mind drifted along these lines when I returned home from Ukraine.
Also where can I go to search for the most recent and reliable dating sites?


I'm guessing some women are so particular and picky that they can appear to be professional daters, but I imagine that most any gal can be had by the right guy... The people that she may be dating are generally from a pool that probably doesn't have that many of those 'right guy's' though. 


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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #3 on: July 24, 2017, 12:32:09 PM »
Is there such a thing as professional daters? Girls who meet with men simply for the fun of it and maybe take advantage. What would be the typical signs? I'm not talking prostitutes here. My mind drifted along these lines when I returned home from Ukraine.
Also where can I go to search for the most recent and reliable dating sites?

You could read 'Odessa Dreams' by Shaun Walker, you should be able to find it on Amazon. It gives you a good idea of a pro dater and what they are like. From reading this it appears they are often found on tours though of course not exclusively.

The girl I am with I would not say she is a pro dater. Pro daters tend to want a very lot spent on them in a short time, possibly run scams at restaurants, with interpreters maybe even apartments, etc. A pro dater tends to be a girl who has made dating her job (some of the less reputable agencies which is most of them have pro daters). They take guys out to expensive restaurants that cost hundreds of pounds/dollars per meal. Pro daters look to date multiple guys in a short period of time as possible, one after another. So she would be dating you for a day(s)/week or so and then when you leave try to move onto another guy within a few hours/days or week or so. Normally you can tell if a girl is very accustomed to dating. A pro dater will try an screw you for all its worth, many will try for hundreds/thousands in dodgy restaurant bills, shopping trip in expensive jewellery stores, etc. Now this I would not take and would just walk of as I know the girl is definitely dodgy if she tries that on and I would only lose money with no hope at all with her.

The girl I am with does not at all give me those signs if she is trying this then it is very much amateur hour. A girl that is really on the make should be obvious. The girl I'm with is just trying it on and I should not have let that happen but I will learn from the experience. You can kind of tell if girls are dating many men, a girl like I've got might turn into a pro dater but I, a) think she is after something else and, b) perhaps is not really cut out for pro dating. I think she is after immigration to the UK for career advancement and would divorce and upgrade to a more flashy and younger guy once here who has the gift of the gab and thinks the world of himself. Now I'm no balding, squat, fat guy but I know I can be quickly out flanked socially by many a man and believe me competition for a decent looking girl in the UK is fierce.

She in a way is sweet and authentic and from a kind of family orientated background. I don't think she has the cold hard streak in her to be a pro dater, she's kind of cute. Sure as Boethius point out she can be manipulative and I don't think the relationship will go anywhere. She's kind of pretty short and many pro daters tend to be tall in height, model like - my girl is model like but for her height. Its what many WM go for who get suckered in as they want a classic front page model to date.

I think more commonplace in FSU, particularly Ukraine is what is known as the holiday whore. My girl I think falls into this category and I think she fouled up here and showed her amateur side. She tried to play the short game of holiday and a bit of clothes shopping with the long game of immigration scam. The two don't really mix and she didn't realise this I think that the short term game would raise alarm bells for the long term game.

I will know doubt be told I am wrong in this by forum members as with everything else but it is how I see it.

This photo from the gallery is the type of girl that would come across to me as a pro dater:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?action=gallery;sa=view;id=455

I mean do you see any love there in her eyes, I mean really?
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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #4 on: July 24, 2017, 12:36:23 PM »
 Pro daters have been talked about for as long as these forms existed. Women may choose to do this for personal gain or do this to help an agency make money  dating losers that they normally wouldn't date.  Because they're not interested in a life with these guys or even trying to impress them or earn their respect, those ladies will take those men shopping, to the most expensive restaurants, get them to buy them a vacation or rent them an apartment. Pro daters are usually on their menstrual cycle 24/7.
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« Reply #5 on: July 24, 2017, 12:43:18 PM »
Pro daters have been talked about for as long as these forms existed. Women may choose to do this for personal gain or do this to help an agency make money  dating losers that they normally wouldn't date.  Because they're not interested in a life with these guys or even trying to impress them or earn their respect, those ladies will take those men shopping, to the most expensive restaurants, get them to buy them a vacation or rent them an apartment. Pro daters are usually on their menstrual cycle 24/7.

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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #6 on: July 24, 2017, 01:16:26 PM »
I would also add xiphoid that visit one girls always give me the feel like its an escort type situation. I don't think they were per say but all this paying for the restaurant and entertainment on me kind of made it feel how I would imagine that to be (like you are paying for their company) - not that I have ever used an escort though. 
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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #7 on: July 24, 2017, 06:10:51 PM »
I would also add xiphoid that visit one girls always give me the feel like its an escort type situation. I don't think they were per say...

It would be lovely to get the women that were my "visit ones" in a room alone with you.  I don't imagine that you would survive if you were to continue with this utter bullshit.  But, then again, you've never dated an FSU woman - you've only gone for "girls."

all this paying for the restaurant and entertainment on me kind of made it feel how I would imagine that to be (like you are paying for their company) - not that I have ever used an escort though.

How many more times do you have to be told that it is the custom in the FSU to do this?  It's also not a rare thing where I live, either!  It's part of being a gentleman, rather than a stingy S.O.B.

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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #8 on: July 24, 2017, 10:17:50 PM »
After reading all the replies here I began to reconsider my suspicions concerning the lady in question. Unfortunately I think my imagination just got the better of me. She’s a tall beautiful woman in the ordinary natural sense, with an important job and with a great sense of humor – she was always laughing about something while we were together until 3 or 4am every morning. Wonderful traits that I love in a woman that is in contrast to my calm, quiet, and melancholy personality. Yes, we went to some very good restaurants but the bills were only around $50-$60 mostly due to the fact that I wanted so much to sample everything on the menu (I love Ukrainian and Russian cuisine.) Our shopping together resulted in a simple dress that cost about $30 which is nothing but it made her happy. We had some difficult moments due to mixed signals, confusion and communication but its ok. We discussed meeting again in October. I’m not sure why but she didn’t want the thank you flowers I ordered but that’s ok too. So the lesson here is just because something seems too good to be true doesn’t always mean it isn’t. It’s amazing but maybe I might be onto something good if I don’t over think it. Only time will tell I suppose. Thanks all.
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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2017, 10:19:01 PM »
I think Harleys are more comfortable.

My original Harley-Davidson was born in early 1946. She’s old but she is still quite comfortable. :P
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« Reply #10 on: July 24, 2017, 10:28:04 PM »
I wanted so much to sample everything on the menu


Ah Ha! You're a pro dater!
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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2017, 01:54:00 AM »
After reading all the replies here I began to reconsider my suspicions concerning the lady in question. Unfortunately I think my imagination just got the better of me. She’s a tall beautiful woman in the ordinary natural sense, with an important job and with a great sense of humor – she was always laughing about something while we were together until 3 or 4am every morning. Wonderful traits that I love in a woman that is in contrast to my calm, quiet, and melancholy personality. Yes, we went to some very good restaurants but the bills were only around $50-$60 mostly due to the fact that I wanted so much to sample everything on the menu (I love Ukrainian and Russian cuisine.) Our shopping together resulted in a simple dress that cost about $30 which is nothing but it made her happy. We had some difficult moments due to mixed signals, confusion and communication but its ok. We discussed meeting again in October. I’m not sure why but she didn’t want the thank you flowers I ordered but that’s ok too. So the lesson here is just because something seems too good to be true doesn’t always mean it isn’t. It’s amazing but maybe I might be onto something good if I don’t over think it. Only time will tell I suppose. Thanks all.

Doesn't sound like a good sign to me, how affectionate/intimate were you? She may just see you as someone to talk to - she may talk to everyone like this as some people love to talk/socialise with whoever.
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« Reply #12 on: July 25, 2017, 02:15:33 AM »
It would be lovely to get the women that were my "visit ones" in a room alone with you.  I don't imagine that you would survive if you were to continue with this utter bullshit.  But, then again, you've never dated an FSU woman - you've only gone for "girls."

How many more times do you have to be told that it is the custom in the FSU to do this?  It's also not a rare thing where I live, either!  It's part of being a gentleman, rather than a stingy S.O.B.

Quite, but our trench is an 'expert', offers other advse - based on two trips and one 'successful trip'  - where he now admits he is probably being 'taken' AND has written 'RWD advice' ....  :deadhorse:

Trench - this latest WOVO girls " visit one girls always give me the feel like its an escort type situation..."  'observation' just demonstrates you haven't got the first clue about FSU lasses ....   YES, they want to know that you aren't 'greedy' - but a good 'un will fight you corner and see others don't take you ....



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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #13 on: July 25, 2017, 07:22:39 PM »
Is there such a thing as professional daters? Girls who meet with men simply for the fun of it and maybe take advantage. What would be the typical signs? I'm not talking prostitutes here. My mind drifted along these lines when I returned home from Ukraine.
Also where can I go to search for the most recent and reliable dating sites?

Yes there are.
In fact there are materiality women in most countries and cultures that date more for advantage and monetary gain than for feelings.

Some Men take advantage of women in all countries as well.

As far as recognizing one, it shoukd be pretty easy but it covers a wide range from mild users with entitlement attitude ,to cold and calculating. Basically  its more about what they can get vs interested in you personally

Hard to say ftom what you have revealed so far.
Not wanting flowers is odd, and can have bad reasons (like not wanting to explain them to a local bf ) or reasonable reasons like just not wanting them ir kit wanting to explain them to nosey neighbors,  I rv the podeist babushka network lol
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« Reply #14 on: July 25, 2017, 09:41:11 PM »
I have sent her flowers on several occasions before we met in Kyiv. But you make a good point, after 2 weeks it is very odd. I'll just have to wait and see what happens in her future letters and then decide whatever.
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« Reply #15 on: July 25, 2017, 09:53:02 PM »
Note to self:

Don't try responding to Trench's 'funnies' when sat on the beach and can't see the screen .....

Should have read:

"YES, they want to know that you aren't 'greedy'... but a good 'un will fight youR corner and see others don't take you for a ride "

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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #16 on: July 26, 2017, 07:05:14 AM »
After reading all the replies here I began to reconsider my suspicions concerning the lady in question. Unfortunately I think my imagination just got the better of me. She’s a tall beautiful woman in the ordinary natural sense, with an important job and with a great sense of humor – she was always laughing about something while we were together until 3 or 4am every morning. Wonderful traits that I love in a woman that is in contrast to my calm, quiet, and melancholy personality. Yes, we went to some very good restaurants but the bills were only around $50-$60 mostly due to the fact that I wanted so much to sample everything on the menu (I love Ukrainian and Russian cuisine.) Our shopping together resulted in a simple dress that cost about $30 which is nothing but it made her happy. We had some difficult moments due to mixed signals, confusion and communication but its ok. We discussed meeting again in October. I’m not sure why but she didn’t want the thank you flowers I ordered but that’s ok too. So the lesson here is just because something seems too good to be true doesn’t always mean it isn’t. It’s amazing but maybe I might be onto something good if I don’t over think it. Only time will tell I suppose. Thanks all.

She really doesn't sound at all like a pro dater to me. At worst she is a holiday whore or some girl who got bored. I'm thinking most probably she was genuine in her desires to meet someone, met you thinking you would be that someone, but on meeting knew you weren't. You probably got on well enough and had a good time but the fact she did not accept flowers looks to me like she is not interested taking things further, though some girls might not be keen on flowers that much most from a guy they're into (my mother doesn't like cut flowers only living ones) most would tend to be really taken with it I think. It's the bummer of doing a visit one, the girl can be with you all week and its another chance wasted. I would suggest the restaurant bills are usual dating costs nothing out of the ordinary but if its the only chance a girl get s to eat out/enjoy herself she'll tag along whether she's that into you or not. That's my thoughts.
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« Reply #17 on: July 26, 2017, 10:32:28 AM »
For ( beep's ) sake Trench ...

You've just not got the experience to post an opinion that any normal bloke should be paying attention to ..Sort out your own issues, first

If you do a Visit one and it doesn't work out, do a Beel ...  start looking locally - worked for him

Your 'thoughts' keep proving you don't think with the big brain - let alone the little one :(

I know one RU lady who doesn't like flowers - believing they are best left in the ground ... but if the OP  had sent flowers before and now they aren't appreciated - YES -  it's a clear sign that - for a reason the OP may not want to hear - they aren't appreciated ;(

Needing to know why ? Forget it ..   NEXT ..

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« Reply #18 on: July 27, 2017, 12:19:54 AM »
After reading all the replies here I began to reconsider my suspicions concerning the lady in question. Unfortunately I think my imagination just got the better of me. She’s a tall beautiful woman in the ordinary natural sense, with an important job and with a great sense of humor – she was always laughing about something while we were together until 3 or 4am every morning. Wonderful traits that I love in a woman that is in contrast to my calm, quiet, and melancholy personality. Yes, we went to some very good restaurants but the bills were only around $50-$60 mostly due to the fact that I wanted so much to sample everything on the menu (I love Ukrainian and Russian cuisine.) Our shopping together resulted in a simple dress that cost about $30 which is nothing but it made her happy. We had some difficult moments due to mixed signals, confusion and communication but its ok. We discussed meeting again in October. I’m not sure why but she didn’t want the thank you flowers I ordered but that’s ok too. So the lesson here is just because something seems too good to be true doesn’t always mean it isn’t. It’s amazing but maybe I might be onto something good if I don’t over think it. Only time will tell I suppose. Thanks all.

Well more paragraphs like that and you'll can convince yourself your Don Juan and everything comes up rosy for ya!!

There is a big reason you made your original post, you had doubts, and now you see a tall, beautiful girl , with important job, great sense of humor who shopped for 'simple things'.
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Re: Professional daters
« Reply #19 on: July 27, 2017, 01:39:46 AM »
LA, just how was that helpful? Really, just how was that helpful to anyone? Don't be childish, learn to show some respect for others. You know nothing about me. I am quite willing to listen to others experiences - I can change my mind if necessary. Unlike you I try to understand what they are saying to me and their perspectives which I appreciate. Unlike you, despite my wide experiences, I am here to learn and help rather than showing off to the forum of how clever you think you are. Unlike you I have 2 completely full passports one of which has been abridged - only some of my trips were to meet women. I have traveled much - unlike you. It is people like you that discourage discourse in forums like this until it dwindles down to a few regulars. Finally I'm not going to your level by exchanging insults - I only do it when I am face to face with someone not on a computer. So kindly go away somewhere and ignore any of my future posts as I will not read them.  Now I've said what I had to say - I just don't tolerate disrespect from anyone. Don't much care if anyone else is offended.  Topic is closed. I'm outa here.
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« Reply #20 on: July 27, 2017, 07:46:11 AM »
LA, just how was that helpful? Really, just how was that helpful to anyone? Don't be childish, learn to show some respect for others. You know nothing about me. I am quite willing to listen to others experiences - I can change my mind if necessary. Unlike you I try to understand what they are saying to me and their perspectives which I appreciate. Unlike you, despite my wide experiences, I am here to learn and help rather than showing off to the forum of how clever you think you are. Unlike you I have 2 completely full passports one of which has been abridged - only some of my trips were to meet women. I have traveled much - unlike you. It is people like you that discourage discourse in forums like this until it dwindles down to a few regulars. Finally I'm not going to your level by exchanging insults - I only do it when I am face to face with someone not on a computer. So kindly go away somewhere and ignore any of my future posts as I will not read them.  Now I've said what I had to say - I just don't tolerate disrespect from anyone. Don't much care if anyone else is offended.  Topic is closed. I'm outa here.

xiphoid, its an unfortunate part of forum life that some choose to take a cheap shot, some gets misconstrued as such and their knowledge comes across as having a go because of the way it is put, and others give good advice though their is sometimes the harsh reality of realizing what they are saying is not always what we want to hear but necessary to take it on board if we are to progress at this. Others advice may just be way off. Admittedly I feel I have been off the mark on many occasion on this forum but also sometimes on the mark and others have given advice that was not so sound. As you have probably noticed I get knocked on this forum all the time but I don't let it put me off, I would rather hear others thoughts regardless of whether it comes across as positive, negative, not agreeable or whatever, some even make me laugh even if they are having a go, Moby ;D What I'm saying is you need to try to have a thicker skin with this as of course with FSU dating when things go wrong.

I notice you have been on 10 plus trips to FSU (assuming these were all for dating purposes) and have been looking longer than I over 5 years to my 18 months or so. I'm guessing that you have had many an encounter as a result of this and for one reason or another it did not work out. I'm guessing also that you realize that this women was one of those occasions that ultimately she was not into you and I understand the frustration of this. We have all been there, reading 2tallbill's trip report he seems to have had it occur to him as a hazard of the venture. I know if the woman seems into you or its not that easy to tell the whole trip can be wasted on her, none of us want to arbitrarily pass over a woman that is showing at least some signs of interest, she might be shy, like to cover signs of interest, nervous, etc. Some guys would knock a girl aside quickly unless she showed that she was all out into him 100 percent from the word go, and quickly set about calling up others. I know its not always easy to call girls up on the fly, even with preparation, some guys are better at this than others. I do believe though that greater chance of success at this may occur if spending a long time out in FSU, several months or so. The idea of a quick fly in securing a romantic dream and fly out again is just not really giving this search the time & resources it needs. For me spending much time messaging back and forth to a girl is not really going to give a relationship the quality time it needs to really take root I think. That and if its some girl with ulterior motives then she is just wasting a load of my precious time anyway. For me going over there and getting to really know a girl in a domestic situation rather than a holiday situation is where I want to be in the near future. A few holiday style trips to get me started off in the FSU are fine but now I've had enough of holiday dating there or anywhere else. Next time I am going purely to seek the right girl and that it.   
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