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Title: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 07:29:41 AM
. It also applies to trying to normalize inter racial relationships where such families are portrayed as the norm, when, in fact, they make up a very small proportion of the population.
I don't have the percentages in front of me, but I know a lot of inter racial relationships.  Not just from the international scene, but just routine relationships.  Why wouldn't and shouldn't this be the norm?  I think more people are getting exposed to more people of different nationalities/races, and they are often finding them attractive.  I would say people were more insulated in the past, but that is 'a-changin'. 

Fathertime!   

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 07:50:09 AM
I don't have the percentages in front of me, but I know a lot of inter racial relationships.  Not just from the international scene, but just routine relationships.  Why wouldn't and shouldn't this be the norm?  I think more people are getting exposed to more people of different nationalities/races, and they are often finding them attractive.  I would say people were more insulated in the past, but that is 'a-changin'. 

Fathertime!   

Fathertime!
You may know a lot in your circle of acquaintances but does that translate across an entire population?
Highly improbable.
It’s most certainly not the norm.
You’re also lumping inter-national and inter-racial relationships into the same basket.
They are quite different animals.
You might want to see the world turn a shade of brown but I quite like the differences amongst people.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 07:59:00 AM
You may know a lot in your circle of acquaintances but does that translate across an entire population?
Highly improbable. 

My experiences are here in Los Angeles mainly.  Where a lot of people are exposed to a lot of different races.   If you go to Wyoming or Alaska there probably isn't as much exposure to different races so there is very little chance of inter racial marriages. 


You might want to see the world turn a shade of brown but I quite like the differences amongst people.


Oh I see now, you are against inter racial marriages for some reason.  I'm not, I say let people choose who they want to be with whether it be the same color or not.  No restrictions, judgments, or stigmas. While not the norm, it may one day be the norm as that is where it is trending.   


You’re also lumping inter-national and inter-racial relationships into the same basket.
They are quite different animals.

I'm ok with leaving out international relationships, which was my intent if it wasn't clear. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 08:15:21 AM
My experiences are here in Los Angeles mainly.  Where a lot of people are exposed to a lot of different races.   If you go to Wyoming or Alaska there probably isn't as much exposure to different races so there is very little chance of inter racial marriages. 
 
That would explain it.
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Oh I see now, you are against inter racial marriages for some reason.  I'm not, I say let people choose who they want to be with whether it be the same color or not.  No restrictions, judgments, or stigmas. While not the norm, it may one day be the norm as that is where it is trending.   
What I am against is the media portrayal that happy clappy inter racial relationships a la tanned fuzzy haired  smiling kids are the norm.

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I'm ok with leaving out international relationships, which was my intent if it wasn't clear. 
That’s fine by me.


Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 08:25:22 AM
That would explain it.

Keep in mind there are more people in Southern California then there are in about 15 of least populated states combined.  So in that respect Southern California is more typical than Alaska, Wyoming, or South Dakota . 

What I am against is the media portrayal that happy clappy inter racial relationships a la tanned fuzzy haired  smiling kids are the norm.
How would you like the media to portray the children of inter racial relationships?   Believe it or not the kids produced are just like any other children.  Some outwardly happy, others quiet, just normal kids.    Is there something wrong with 'tanned fuzzy haired kids' being portrayed as happy?  Are they supposed to be portrayed as morose and stoic? 
There are a lot of kids of interracial parents, and that number is going to grow as they reach child bearing age. 

Fathertime!   

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 09:11:05 AM
Keep in mind there are more people in Southern California then there are in about 15 of least populated states combined.  So in that respect Southern California is more typical than Alaska, Wyoming, or South Dakota . 
One state out of 51 is not a typical representation of the population of the US.  You are being quite misleading.
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How would you like the media to portray the children of inter racial relationships?   Believe it or not the kids produced are just like any other children.  Some outwardly happy, others quiet, just normal kids.    Is there something wrong with 'tanned fuzzy haired kids' being portrayed as happy?  Are they supposed to be portrayed as morose and stoic? 
There are a lot of kids of interracial parents, and that number is going to grow as they reach child bearing age. 

Fathertime!
Are you being deliberately obtuse or it it a normal state of mind for you? A mixed race family unit, as regularly portrayed by the media, is not representative of the typical family unit anywhere in the western world, however much you wish it to be.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 09:21:24 AM
One state out of 51 is not a typical representation of the population of the US. 
In respect to the population California represents roughly 12% of all of the US.  Of course there are other populated states similar to California.

Are you being deliberately obtuse or it it a normal state of mind for you? A mixed race family unit, as regularly portrayed by the media, is not representative of the typical family unit anywhere in the western world, however much you wish it to be.
You have already stated how you disapprove of mixed families. My position is I don't care if a relationship is mixed or not, it isn't something important to me.    I have bad news for you though, in 2010 15.1% of marriages in the US were mixed.  That number is probably higher now, and the trend is going nowhere but up. 
 Here is a little googled wiki link on the subject. 
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States   (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Interracial_marriage_in_the_United_States)

Fathertime!   
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 09:21:33 AM
One state out of 51 is not a typical representation of the population of the US. ...

Well, Obama would disagree...he counted 57 the last time.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 09:41:41 AM
In respect to the population California represents roughly 12% of all of the US.  Of course there are other populated states similar to California.
So you agree with me that the population of Southern California is not typical of that of the US.
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You have already stated how you disapprove of mixed families.
Please point out where I have stated this. Again, you are misrepresenting the point I was making.

 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 09:58:05 AM
So you agree with me that the population of Southern California is not typical of that of the US.
Point out to me where I said it was typical of the entire US.  Southern California has a greater population then a bunch of states all combined. 

Please point out where I have stated this. Again, you are misrepresenting the point I was making.
Your earlier comment regarding happy tanned fuzzy headed babies didn’t sound too delighted about their existence.    There are quite of few of these children In addition to other children of mixed race parents who have children that have straight hair paler skin etc etc.
The entire group represents millions now if not more so I see no reason why these children shouldn’t be represented in the media just like most anyone else.

Fathertime! 
Fathertime!   
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 10:09:27 AM
<snip>Here is a little googled wiki link on the subject.<snip>...Fathertime!

 :shock:

Oh no! Not you, too! It has fast become a contagious disease in this site!!! An epidemic!! Nooooooo...
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 10:41:24 AM
Point out to me where I said it was typical of the entire US.  Southern California has a greater population then a bunch of states all combined. 
No you didn’t say that exactly but you did make a comparison of Sourhern California against 15 other states  and broadening  the scope.
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Your earlier comment regarding happy tanned fuzzy headed babies didn’t sound too delighted about their existence. 
Ah, so from what ‘sounded’ like something you made an erroneous conclusion. Sometimes it’s prudent to read and understand the point that’s being made.
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  There are quite of few of these children In addition to other children of mixed race parents who have children that have straight hair paler skin etc etc.
The entire group represents millions now if not more so I see no reason why these children shouldn’t be represented in the media just like most anyone else.
I quite agree. It’s when only the minority is being portrayed in the media as the majority that suspicions arise that the MSM has an agenda.

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 11:26:41 AM
It’s when only the minority is being portrayed in the media as the majority that suspicions arise that the MSM has an agenda.
Show me how you reach the conclusion that the minority is being portrayed as the majority.

Fathertime!
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 11:27:08 AM
:shock:

Oh no! Not you, too! It has fast become a contagious disease in this site!!! An epidemic!! Nooooooo...
😀
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 11:29:15 AM
No you didn’t say that exactly but you did make a comparison of Sourhern California against 15 other states  and broadening  the scope.
I pointed out the fact that Southern California has as much population as 15 or so other states.  So in that respect SoCal is representive of a lot of people.
Fathertime!
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: tfcrew on November 14, 2018, 11:32:15 AM
Well, Obama would disagree...he counted 57 the last time.
And he wasn't even British... [maybe he was really a Kenyan after all?]  :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 11:33:25 AM
Ah, so from what ‘sounded’ like something you made an erroneous conclusion. Sometimes it’s prudent to read and understand the point that’s being made.
The only point you have made is that you aren’t fond of interracial relationships.  I haven’t seen your proof their is a conspiracy in the media.  The group represents millions of not more so they can be portrayed in tv shows without it being disproportionate.  In addition tv is also entertainment so perhaps audiences like to see this sort of relationship. 



Fathertime!
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: jone on November 14, 2018, 11:59:50 AM
I think it is great that there is a growing number of advertisements that feature interracial couples...

While it is not the current majority, these type of couples have been suppressed for so long that perhaps some over exposure (proportionate compared to their actual numbers) is warranted.   Is this the PC advertising of the future?  Who knows?   

I find it ironic that you, John Gaunt, are having this discussion with Fathertime and GQ Blues.   Fathertime is married to a woman from South America and GQ Blues is a man of Filippino descent, married to a woman from Russia.  And we are all on a forum which, has as its stated purpose, the union of people from one continent or country to another.

As a society, I hope we further embrace children with heads, fuzzy or otherwise.  We need to further eliminate the barriers of race.   And that includes marriages of people with different skin hues.   Personally, I contemplated many different cultures and races prior to my initial foray into Eastern Europe. 

I believe that within two generations we will no longer be having these discussions.  And we will be better for it.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 12:40:46 PM
...I find it ironic that you, John Gaunt, are having this discussion with Fathertime and GQ Blues.   Fathertime is married to a woman from South America and GQ Blues is a man of Filippino descent, married to a woman from Russia....

Yes, and both live in one of the states (out of the 50, not 51. But please, don't confuse this with Obama's 57 either) largely governed by numbnuts and snowflakes..
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 01:47:12 PM
I think it is great that there is a growing number of advertisements that feature interracial couples...
Still in the minority’s tho’.


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I find it ironic that you, John Gaunt, are having this discussion with Fathertime and GQ Blues.   Fathertime is married to a woman from South America and GQ Blues is a man of Filippino descent, married to a woman from Russia.
I couldn’t care less who I was having this discussion with.
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  And we are all on a forum which, has as its stated purpose, the union of people from one continent or country to another.
Really, I could have sworn this was a forum exclusively about Russian women. Perhaps the forum should be renamed?

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As a society, I hope we further embrace children with heads, fuzzy or otherwise.  We need to further eliminate the barriers of race.   And that includes marriages of people with different skin hues.   Personally, I contemplated many different cultures and races prior to my initial foray into Eastern Europe. 
I quite like that there different ethnicities and races. Makes for a more interesting world.
Again, for those of simple minds, it’s the over representation of those different hued people on our tv screens I take issue with, especially around Christmas time.
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I believe that within two generations we will no longer be having these discussions.  And we will be better for it.
I rather doubt it.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 01:59:21 PM
Show me how you reach the conclusion that the minority is being portrayed as the majority.

Fathertime!
You’d have to be seeing through my eyes. Yours are obviously blinkered.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 02:03:23 PM
I agree with John Gault. All women should only be long-legged, busty, blue-eyed blondes with a great set of gnashers.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 02:05:33 PM
And he wasn't even British... [maybe he was really a Kenyan after all?]  :rolleyes:

No, not British. Just a 'wanna-be' European. They rejected his application to be one because he's convinced Austrians speak Austrian.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 02:06:55 PM
The only point you have made is that you aren’t fond of interracial relationships.
You’re obviously selective in comprehending what any reader of simple English would pick up in the blink of an eye.
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I haven’t seen your proof their is a conspiracy in the media.
Go and sit in front of your Telly and observe. It’ll soon be apparent. That’s your homework. Now run along or it’ll be 6 of the best for you.

 



Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 02:12:59 PM
...Really, I could have sworn this was a forum exclusively about Russian women. Perhaps the forum should be renamed?

Yes, I agree. It should be named 'Trenchcoat, the ultimate British Playboy'...of maybe 'Googler Central'...or, 'My Love Affair with the Bottle. Confessions of an Irish sailor'...

Best yet...'Make Europe Great Again! Hug a Migrant!'...
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 14, 2018, 02:16:55 PM
Yes, I agree. It should be named 'Trenchcoat, the ultimate British Playboy'...of maybe 'Googler Central'...or, 'My Love Affair with the Bottle. Confessions of an Irish sailor'...

Best yet...'Make Europe Great Again! Hug a Migrant!'...
How about MEGA MAGA?

Make Europe Great Again by Making America Great Again
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: SteveInBoston on November 14, 2018, 02:46:04 PM

Best yet...'Make Europe Great Again! Hug a Migrant!'...

MEGA HAM ?
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 02:55:50 PM
You’re obviously selective in comprehending what any reader of simple English would pick up in the blink of an eye. 

"happy clappy inter racial relationships a la tanned fuzzy haired  smiling kids are the norm."
 

What I read here is some disdain.   

Go and sit in front of your Telly and observe. It’ll soon be apparent. That’s your homework. Now run along or it’ll be 6 of the best for you.
Don't need your 'homework' assignment.  I'm not bothered by seeing the kids of interracial couples.  Where you live it may be abnormal, but in many other places it is routine, and gaining steam. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 02:58:07 PM
I think it is great that there is a growing number of advertisements that feature interracial couples...

While it is not the current majority, these type of couples have been suppressed for so long that perhaps some over exposure (proportionate compared to their actual numbers) is warranted.   Is this the PC advertising of the future?  Who knows?   

I find it ironic that you, John Gaunt, are having this discussion with Fathertime and GQ Blues.   Fathertime is married to a woman from South America and GQ Blues is a man of Filippino descent, married to a woman from Russia.  And we are all on a forum which, has as its stated purpose, the union of people from one continent or country to another.

As a society, I hope we further embrace children with heads, fuzzy or otherwise.  We need to further eliminate the barriers of race.   And that includes marriages of people with different skin hues.   Personally, I contemplated many different cultures and races prior to my initial foray into Eastern Europe. 

I believe that within two generations we will no longer be having these discussions.  And we will be better for it.

In a couple generations there will be some holdovers that find interracial couples repulsive to see on TV or otherwise, but the number will continue to decline. 

Fathertime!
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 03:17:17 PM
Here is a little factoid that I once again 'googled'.   :D   

Interracial marriage versus cohabitation
In the United States, rates of interracial cohabitation are significantly higher than those of marriage. Although only 7% of married African American men have European American wives, 12.5% of cohabitating African American men have European American partners. 25% of married Asian American women have European spouses, but 45% of cohabitating Asian American women are with European American men—higher than the percentage cohabiting with Asian men (less than 43%).[49] Of cohabiting Asian men, slightly over 37% of Asian men have white female partners and over 10% married to white women.[50] These numbers suggest that the prevalence of intimate interracial contact is around double that of what is represented by marriage data.



More people than I originally thought were in interracial relationships.  I hadn't given it that much thought until this thread erupted.  Over 1/2 of the children born in the US nowadays are from various minority groups, that audience will be catered to in the years to come. 

Fathertime!   

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: Donna_Pedro on November 14, 2018, 03:39:40 PM
You may know a lot in your circle of acquaintances but does that translate across an entire population?
Highly improbable.
It’s most certainly not the norm.
You’re also lumping inter-national and inter-racial relationships into the same basket.
They are quite different animals.
You might want to see the world turn a shade of brown but I quite like the differences amongst people.


[/size] I have lived in American south for  17 years (Texas is technically south, but other states were NC, AL, FL) and every now and then I see inter-ratial couples but not too many of them, which makes me think  John Gaunt is correct. [size=78%]
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 03:39:45 PM
Here is a little factoid that I once again 'googled'.   :D   

::::GASP!:::: Repent!

Anyway, I thought this was a serious discussion until you start populating threads with silly things like 'European American' African American', 'Asian American'...those aren't 'races'. Technically, they're more descriptive of 'continents'...

Races are, depends on which you subscribe to: Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids, Australoids, and of course you have what is recently classified as Sexoid...which is where I belong in. I think there's only 3 of us that exist.

Ethnicity is a whole different stew, just as cultures will be.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: tfcrew on November 14, 2018, 06:51:35 PM
More people than I originally thought were in interracial relationships.  I hadn't given it that much thought until this thread erupted.  Over 1/2 of the children born in the US nowadays are from various minority groups, that audience will be catered to in the years to come.
Noted. I have noticed that in the endeavor to homogenize society, TV commercials are increasingly engaged in the effort.
I have also seen some gay relationship type ads [so as to not leave anyone out] In this clip... 8:11-8:22 Girls together--boys together [with 'their' child]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joJb3ebHY9k
 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 14, 2018, 06:58:10 PM
::::GASP!:::: Repent!

Anyway, I thought this was a serious discussion until you start populating threads with silly things like 'European American' African American', 'Asian American'...those aren't 'races'. Technically, they're more descriptive of 'continents'...

Races are, depends on which you subscribe to: Caucasoids, Negroids, Mongoloids, Australoids, and of course you have what is recently classified as Sexoid...which is where I belong in. I think there's only 3 of us that exist.

Ethnicity is a whole different stew, just as cultures will be.

I was just trying to google pertinent information!   :D

The link did use european asian african etc etc.  Who knows what is what and aside from john gaunt who really should care?   There a lot of mixed race children and adults out there and more to come.

Fathertime!   
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: Bee Farmer on November 14, 2018, 07:41:06 PM
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How would you like the media to portray the children of inter racial relationships?   Believe it or not the kids produced are just like any other children.

Fathertime, that is false.  Very, very few children of interracial relationships are like other kids.  They look like other kids, but they are NOT like other kids.

IQ is heritable, and IQ distributions between races is wildly different.
The average African American has an IQ of 85.  That means that around 85% of African-American kids have less brains than the average white kid.
Sub-Saharan Africans have an average IQ of 70, which is considered borderline retarded, and in the US, you can get Social Security Disability for having an IQ that low.
Middle Eastern Arabs have an IQ about 80.
Mexicans and Latinos have an average IQ about 90.
Whites have an average IQ of 100.
Asians are about 105.
Ashkenazi Jews are 112-115 (which is why there are so many Jewish geniuses.  A small shift at the middle of the bell curve of the IQ distribution has big effects at the tails where the geniuses are located.)

Depending on what races are in the interracial relationship can have very real, noticeable differences in the IQ of the children. (And IQ is the single biggest predictor of life success.)

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Show me how you reach the conclusion that the minority is being portrayed as the majority.

Fathertime, I'll give you an example.  The media portrays blacks as being smart and successful.  Very few blacks are smart and successful.  The average African American has an IQ of 85.  I've worked around some.  The average is a complete idiot.  (And Immigrants from Africa are a nightmare, they have extreme difficulties with the most basic tasks.)

The US military will not accept anyone who has an IQ less than 83, because they have learned that no amount of training can make them useful.  And if we realize that the military is a rough approximation of the jobs in society, that means there are no jobs for roughly 15% of the population. (which ironically, is the percentage of people on food stamps.)

Keep in mind that an IQ of 80 or below is unable to follow written instructions.  That's about 10% of the population.

Racial differences are very real.  Blacks dominate sports, but very few become successful at it.  Whites and Asians dominate things that require cognitive function.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: jone on November 14, 2018, 08:12:42 PM
My God, Bee Farmer,

You could have quoted that from the James Michner novel, Chesapeake.   In it, he describes the attributes of various cultural groups as seen through the eyes of Southerners prior to the Civil War.   I won't elaborate as your vivid descriptions outlines your racial bigotry without assistance from anyone on the forum.   

You are a sad, pathetic, little man.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: tfcrew on November 14, 2018, 08:20:52 PM
Depending on what races are in the interracial relationship can have very real, noticeable differences in the IQ of the children. (And IQ is the single biggest predictor of life success.)
Are there any supporting site or links to all that? It all sounds somewhat 'brown shirt' and you might review the forum rules also.
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You agree to refrain from posting any ethnic, racial, religious, or political commentary which is not directly related to the theme of this site and/or which may be interpreted by others as being offensive or insulting.

   
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: krimster2 on November 14, 2018, 08:36:39 PM
The Bell Curve: Intelligence and Class Structure in American Life is a 1994 book by psychologist Richard J. Herrnstein

would be my guess for his source
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: ML on November 14, 2018, 08:38:02 PM
Bee Farmer was not making up those statistics.

THIRTY YEARS OF RESEARCH ON RACE DIFFERENCES IN COGNITIVE ABILITY
J. Philippe Rushton, The University of Western Ontario
Arthur R. Jensen, University of California, Berkeley

The study also found that the average IQ for African Americans was
lower than those for Latino, White, Asian, and Jewish Americans (85, 89, 103,
106, and 113, respectively; Herrnstein & Murray, 1994, pp. 273–278).
Currently, the 1.1 standard deviation difference in average IQ between Blacks
and Whites in the United States is not in itself a matter of empirical dispute.
A meta-analytic review by Roth, Bevier, Bobko, Switzer, and Tyler (2001) showed
it also holds for college and university application tests such as the Scholastic
Aptitude Test (SAT; N  2.4 million) and the Graduate Record Examination
(GRE; N  2.3 million), as well as for tests for job applicants in corporate settings
(N  0.5 million) and in the military (N  0.4 million). Because test scores are
the best predictor of economic success in Western society (Schmidt & Hunter,
1998), these group differences have important societal outcomes (R. A. Gordon,
1997; Gottfredson, 1997).
The question that still remains is whether the cause of group differences in
average IQ is purely social, economic, and cultural or whether genetic factors are
also involved.

http://www1.udel.edu/educ/gottfredson/30years/Rushton-Jensen30years.pdf

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In an earlier time period I read several studies on this topic.
There are several empirical studies which show there are statistically significant differences in the IQ scores for various groups.
There are many articles that contend that there are flaws in the empirical studies.

I suspect it is a pull between the research results and PC.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: ML on November 14, 2018, 08:59:52 PM
Those who oppose giving any reliance to IQ type tests claim that such tests are biased against those who are raised in family units where parents do not read to children, do not hold dinner table discussions about current topics, etc., etc.

However, there are IQ tests which do not at all involve reading ability, strength of vocabulary, cultural experiences, etc.

For instance look at the questions involved in the below referenced test.
The questions only focus on the ability to recognize patterns and predict the logical patterns which should follow.

http://iqtestnow.org/iq-test-pro?gclid=EAIaIQobChMIqImj6b_V3gIVVTRpCh0JFQ3QEAAYASAAEgLGF_D_BwE
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: jone on November 14, 2018, 09:02:58 PM
No, ML,

Cognitive ability is directly correlated to stimulation between the ages of two and five.  While there are some associative studies, the only successful way of comparing ethnic groups is to put them in the same environment with the same stimulation.  Surely you are not deficient in understanding the desire to lump ethnic groups together without qualifying the data?   It is like saying that the slaves owned by the Southern plantation owners could not read because their brains weren't big enough. 

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: JayH on November 14, 2018, 09:07:54 PM
My God, Bee Farmer,

You could have quoted that from the James Michner novel, Chesapeake.   In it, he describes the attributes of various cultural groups as seen through the eyes of Southerners prior to the Civil War.   I won't elaborate as your vivid descriptions outlines your racial bigotry without assistance from anyone on the forum.   

 n.


Good post Jone -- but I hope  it was not just now that you realised  this --- "You are a sad, pathetic, little man"

btw -- whose God are you referencing? Yours or B f......s ?
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 14, 2018, 09:32:35 PM
My God,

At the time when god decided to make ‘man’, he readied his divine pot, sprinkled the pot with holy stew. He lit the fire from under, then waited through the 7th day. Once done he pulled the man from the pot and whispered, “No. Too soon” threw the white man to the side.

Next day he started again. Same process except making sure this time around he won’t be too anxious. Waited and waited and when he felt the right time had come, he pulled and black man and knew he had waited much too long.

But god knew that good things come to those willing to learn, and patience after all is a golden virtue. So carefully he repeated the process except this time he fully devoted his attention, love and care into what he had always hoped to create. The heavenly angels sang in chorus letting him know - it was time. When god saw what he created this time, he knew it was perfection! He said, “ I will call you Filipino!”

Google that!
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: msmob on November 15, 2018, 12:27:40 AM
Considering how many posts are about 'Trampu' - I guess you were not being serious ? ;)
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BC on November 15, 2018, 01:55:18 AM
When I was born, Jim Crow laws still existed. Folks ate, drank and pissed in different facilities, rode in different parts of busses. Yes, there were even lynchings. The fight for equality reaching it's peak. Landmark rulings by SCOTUS regarding equality. Desegregation of schools. For hundreds of years the white man did everything possible to repress anyone that wasn't white, even limiting education.

Although much has improved, there is still a long way to go.  I still see the remains of segregation every time I take a trip back to the US.

I was fortunate that to grow up overseas on US military bases where none of this existed.  All were equal, with equal opportunity.  There were smart kids and there were not so smart kids and that was that.  My thoughts were not tinged by racist views.  A persons color was the last thing we kids thought about.  My cousins at home did not have it so good.  Even today there are some I consider racist.

Most of the folks around here are more or less my age and have the same color skin as I have.  Look at your birth certificates, old drivers license, maybe even newer one to see if Race: appears and ask yourself why... 

Reading some of the remarks above, I cringe.  I feel sorry for you that you were not given the same opportunities I had while growing up.  And yes, I feel sorry for your kids that inherit your views.

As far as IQ goes, the I can also stand for 'Ignorance', even 'Idiot' and for some of you reading this the Quotient number is pretty damned high.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 15, 2018, 06:28:28 AM
Fathertime, that is false.  Very, very few children of interracial relationships are like other kids.  They look like other kids, but they are NOT like other kids.

IQ is heritable, and IQ distributions between races is wildly different.
The average African American has an IQ of 85.  That means that around 85% of African-American kids have less brains than the average white kid.
Sub-Saharan Africans have an average IQ of 70, which is considered borderline retarded, and in the US, you can get Social Security Disability for having an IQ that low.
Middle Eastern Arabs have an IQ about 80.
Mexicans and Latinos have an average IQ about 90.
Whites have an average IQ of 100.
Asians are about 105.
Ashkenazi Jews are 112-115 (which is why there are so many Jewish geniuses.  A small shift at the middle of the bell curve of the IQ distribution has big effects at the tails where the geniuses are located.)

Depending on what races are in the interracial relationship can have very real, noticeable differences in the IQ of the children. (And IQ is the single biggest predictor of life success.)

Fathertime, I'll give you an example.  The media portrays blacks as being smart and successful.  Very few blacks are smart and successful.  The average African American has an IQ of 85.  I've worked around some.  The average is a complete idiot.  (And Immigrants from Africa are a nightmare, they have extreme difficulties with the most basic tasks.)

The US military will not accept anyone who has an IQ less than 83, because they have learned that no amount of training can make them useful.  And if we realize that the military is a rough approximation of the jobs in society, that means there are no jobs for roughly 15% of the population. (which ironically, is the percentage of people on food stamps.)

Keep in mind that an IQ of 80 or below is unable to follow written instructions.  That's about 10% of the population.

Racial differences are very real.  Blacks dominate sports, but very few become successful at it.  Whites and Asians dominate things that require cognitive function.

I see where you are coming from.   You are not alone, there are many in the US that believe the same as you do. I do not agree with what you stated about babies being 'different' in the respect you stated. 

 Personally I don't put as much stock in the studies you are using.  Social and environmental factors are a big factor.   Not to say there are some differences, but my belief is the brush you are using is too broad.     

Drug use marijuana use is a big factor in what individuals functional IQ is, and drugs are used by a huge portion of the US population. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: rwd123 on November 15, 2018, 06:45:30 AM
Cognitive ability is directly correlated to stimulation between the ages of two and five.
That's where bilingual or multi-lingual couples can be of benefit to children. Brain development is enhanced when they are constantly exposed to two or more languages. If you get hooked up with a FSUW don't drop the language(s)!
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 15, 2018, 08:06:53 AM
When I was born, Jim Crow laws still existed. Folks ate, drank and pissed in different facilities, rode in different parts of busses. Yes, there were even lynchings. The fight for equality reaching it's peak. Landmark rulings by SCOTUS regarding equality. Desegregation of schools. For hundreds of years the white man did everything possible to repress anyone that wasn't white, even limiting education.

Although much has improved, there is still a long way to go.  I still see the remains of segregation every time I take a trip back to the US.

I was fortunate that to grow up overseas on US military bases where none of this existed.  All were equal, with equal opportunity.  There were smart kids and there were not so smart kids and that was that.  My thoughts were not tinged by racist views.  A persons color was the last thing we kids thought about.  My cousins at home did not have it so good.  Even today there are some I consider racist.

Most of the folks around here are more or less my age and have the same color skin as I have.  Look at your birth certificates, old drivers license, maybe even newer one to see if Race: appears and ask yourself why... 

Reading some of the remarks above, I cringe.  I feel sorry for you that you were not given the same opportunities I had while growing up.  And yes, I feel sorry for your kids that inherit your views.

As far as IQ goes, the I can also stand for 'Ignorance', even 'Idiot' and for some of you reading this the Quotient number is pretty damned high.

Well, speaking of being as racist a post as any other, our esteemed member BC is certainly speaking from a perspective and opinion of someone who, by his own admission, hardly grew up in and lived in the society he speaks of. Unlike BC however, I spent the majority of my life living in the United States of America as a 'person of color'. That said, my personal perspective is completely polarized from him. With the exception of an admission counselor in a California university, I have never experienced being discriminated upon by anyone or anything my entire life living here.

Yes folks, affirmative action was a heinous process of blatant  discrimination.

BC's post is a tired ol' Democrat talking point. Racism was politicized by Democrats to elevate their party. They promote equality in our system by making sure black people continue to live in the idea they are oppressed, victim mentality, and the Democrats stands behind them to freely support their every facets of life. Literally. The Democrat's social experiment is a political apocalypse for black folks.

Every person, no matter your ethnicity, no matter what culture you were brought up in, have prejudices. I admit I do. When 15% of a society's population commit the very vast majority of violent crimes, you begin to harness a prejudicial, or predisposed, knowledge to prevent any situation that could subject you to such violence. That doesn't mean I am racist and I don't give a rat's arse if snowflakes insist I am because I know they tote the same lines I do. They'd be the first one making sure they stay away from predominantly black neighborhood like south central, Compton, north Long Beach, Ferguson, Baltimore, etc...A reality, someone like BC, didn't have to live under nor personally witnessed apparently.

The election of Obama deepened the divide in our society. Not just from a political standpoint, but more importantly from a 'racial' standpoint. That was the ultimate plan. Obama's advancement of racial tension keyed from Henrietta Hughes, to Cambridge police/Gates' incident, to the Trayvon Martin case, to Ferguson Michael Brown's matter, all they way down to the Dallas police massacre. He made sure America be further racially divided even after his term. Obama, for all intent and purposes, is anything BUT black. Yet he played that part to it's fullest. He's half-white and lived half of his life in a foreign country and in Hawaii who have little to no black American population. He educated himself via affirmative action. Despite his skin color, was elected POTUS.

It's so very easy for folks to call another 'racist' these days. Unlike themselves of course. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 15, 2018, 08:18:10 AM
Well, speaking of being as racist a post as any other, our esteemed member BC is certainly speaking from a perspective and opinion of someone who, by his own admission, hardly grew up in and lived in the society he speaks of. Unlike BC however, I spent the majority of my life living in the United States of America as a 'person of color'. That said, my personal perspective is completely polarized from him. With the exception of an admission counselor in a California university, I have never experienced being discriminated upon by anyone or anything my entire life living here.

Yes folks, affirmative action was a heinous process of blatant  discrimination.

BC's post is a tired ol' Democrat talking point. Racism was politicized by Democrats to elevate their party. They promote equality in our system by making sure black people continue to live in the idea they are oppressed, victim mentality, and the Democrats stands behind them to freely support their every facets of life. Literally. The Democrat's social experiment is a political apocalypse for black folks.

Every person, no matter your ethnicity, no matter what culture you were brought up in, have prejudices. I admit I do. When 15% of a society's population commit the very vast majority of violent crimes, you begin to harness a prejudicial, or predisposed, knowledge to prevent any situation that could subject you to such violence. That doesn't mean I am racist and I don't give a rat's arse if snowflakes insist I am because I know they tote the same lines I do. They'd be the first one making sure they stay away from predominantly black neighborhood like south central, Compton, north Long Beach, Ferguson, Baltimore, etc...A reality, someone like BC, didn't have to live under nor personally witnessed apparently.

The election of Obama deepened the divide in our society. Not just from a political standpoint, but more importantly from a 'racial' standpoint. That was the ultimate plan. Obama's advancement of racial tension keyed from Henrietta Hughes, to Cambridge police/Gates' incident, to the Trayvon Martin case, to Ferguson Michael Brown's matter, all they way down to the Dallas police massacre. He made sure America be further racially divided even after his term. Obama, for all intent and purposes, is anything BUT black. Yet he played that part to it's fullest. He's half-white and lived half of his life in a foreign country and in Hawaii who have little to no black American population. He educated himself via affirmative action. Despite his skin color, was elected POTUS.

It's so very easy for folks to call another 'racist' these days. Unlike themselves of course. :rolleyes:
GQB, you make some very valid points.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: DaveNY on November 15, 2018, 10:14:18 AM
When I was born, Jim Crow laws still existed. Folks ate, drank and pissed in different facilities, rode in different parts of busses. Yes, there were even lynchings. The fight for equality reaching it's peak. Landmark rulings by SCOTUS regarding equality. Desegregation of schools. For hundreds of years the white man did everything possible to repress anyone that wasn't white, even limiting education.

Although much has improved, there is still a long way to go.  I still see the remains of segregation every time I take a trip back to the US.

I was fortunate that to grow up overseas on US military bases where none of this existed.  All were equal, with equal opportunity.  There were smart kids and there were not so smart kids and that was that.  My thoughts were not tinged by racist views.  A persons color was the last thing we kids thought about.  My cousins at home did not have it so good.  Even today there are some I consider racist.

Most of the folks around here are more or less my age and have the same color skin as I have.  Look at your birth certificates, old drivers license, maybe even newer one to see if Race: appears and ask yourself why... 

Reading some of the remarks above, I cringe.  I feel sorry for you that you were not given the same opportunities I had while growing up.  And yes, I feel sorry for your kids that inherit your views.

As far as IQ goes, the I can also stand for 'Ignorance', even 'Idiot' and for some of you reading this the Quotient number is pretty damned high.

Like BC I grew up mostly in Europe, primarily in the UK but also brief periods in France and Germany and while I didn't grow up on American military bases my father and his father were both WW2 vets. My grandfather was career US Army. I heard plenty about life in Europe and Asia during the war and even prior.

The idea that racism didn't exist on American military bases in Europe is BS. The US military in Europe was made up of the same men and women who grew up in the US under Jim Crow laws. In the military the racism was somewhat more subtle than back home but it still existed and still exists to a lesser extent even today. Blacks may have ate, p*ssed and worked together but there was still plenty of segregation. During the 50s and 60s and to a lesser extent the 70s the idea of a black member of the US military dating a local European white woman would have sent many of the white men in the US military into a fit according to my dad and pops.

Blackface in the arts in Europe was for some reason more common in Europe than even in the US. Not sure why but apparently Europeans seemed to love it. It was certainly common in the 60s and 70s when I was in Europe. Much of what Monty Python did in their time wouldn't be allowed on TV in the US today.  Even John Cleese admits to that.

http://www.vulture.com/2017/09/john-cleese-monty-python-in-conversation.html

Then of course there's the European prejudice against Jews. Remember Germany prior to WW2? Kristallnacht or Reichskristallnacht also referred to as the Night of Broken Glass. Anti-Semitism. The Holocaust. Even in 50s and 60s the numbers of Jews living in Germany and the rest of Europe hadn't recovered to pre WW2 levels. With all the Muslim terror attacks and violence in France over the last few years some Jews have decided to leave France. This is happening now. Why? Doesn't sound like peace and love to me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kristallnacht 
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/22/middleeast/france-israel-jews-immigration/index.html

Finally if there's less racism in Europe why is much/most/probably almost all of Europe whiter than the US? Look up how white European countries are and compare that to the US. The UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Hungary, etc. Many of the European powers had colonies in Africa and Asia in centuries past. Why aren't those populations represented in their present day populations?

Why did Sweden and Germany say to all the migrants that they were welcome to come, live and work in their countries then when the avalanche of African migrants began the politicians changed their minds and shut it down and began deporting migrants? Why?

As for race appearing on things such as a DL, birth certificate and other documents that's true but it's changing. Some states are now offering a gender neutral DL and the same will probably happen to other state issued ID.

Here's the latest in changing reality. A Dutch man is trying to legally change his age. His reasoning is if you can legally change your gender why not your age? Next time I go to renew my DL I'm asking to change my date of birth. I'm thinking of something in the late 1970s maybe the early 1980s? My wife said she always wanted to be with a younger man.   

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2018/nov/08/i-suffer-under-my-age-dutch-man-seeks-to-legally-change-his-age-video
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: msmob on November 15, 2018, 02:04:57 PM


Finally if there's less racism in Europe why is much/most/probably almost all of Europe whiter than the US? Look up how white European countries are and compare that to the US. The UK, France, Germany, Sweden, Italy, the Netherlands, Poland, Hungary, etc. Many of the European powers had colonies in Africa and Asia in centuries past. Why aren't those populations represented in their present day populations?

DaveNY

You really cannot be that analytical or observant - I'm sure there is less overt racism - but the brexit vote proved plenty of ignorance

37% of folk living in London in 2011 were born overseas - including 24.5% born outside of Europe

Source:  2011 UK Census

"Baker and Eversley’s (2000) survey of 896,700 children in London, over 300 home languages were reported."

http://www.multilingualcapital.com/bilingualism-in-the-uk/languages-in-london/ (http://www.multilingualcapital.com/bilingualism-in-the-uk/languages-in-london/)


Why did Sweden and Germany say to all the migrants that they were welcome to come, live and work in their countries then when the avalanche of African migrants began the politicians changed their minds and shut it down and began deporting migrants? Why?

Because there is an EU Directive specifically concerning a sudden immigrant influx after Kosovo ... Then some racist member states howed their true colours and the UK / Ireland and Denmark never even signed up to this 'must do' (

http://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asylum/temporary-protection (http://ec.europa.eu/home-affairs/what-we-do/policies/asylum/temporary-protection)


Here's the latest in changing reality. A Dutch man is trying to legally change his age. His reasoning is if you can legally change your gender why not your age? Next time I go to renew my DL I'm asking to change my date of birth. I'm thinking of something in the late 1970s maybe the early 1980s? My wife said she always wanted to be with a younger man.   

http://www.theguardian.com/world/video/2018/nov/08/i-suffer-under-my-age-dutch-man-seeks-to-legally-change-his-age-video

You'll realise he wants to change his age to be able to be eligible adopt ......

Always glad to help you understand

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: Bee Farmer on November 15, 2018, 04:31:56 PM
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I was fortunate that to grow up overseas on US military bases where none of this existed.  All were equal, with equal opportunity.

BC, I think you are forgetting something.  The US government had already filtered out the lower IQ individuals.  The low IQ individuals did not get equal opportunity, because they are denied opportunity to be in the military.

When the military will not accept anyone into the military with less than an 83 IQ, that basically means the bottom half of blacks just got excluded, and you are only looking at the top performing half.  If all you are exposed to is the top half, it's easy to think that all blacks are like that.

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You are not alone, there are many in the US that believe the same as you do. I do not agree with what you stated about babies being 'different' in the respect you stated.

 Personally I don't put as much stock in the studies you are using.  Social and environmental factors are a big factor.   Not to say there are some differences, but my belief is the brush you are using is too broad.     

Fathertime, what about susceptibility to diseases?  Sickle cell anemia, higher rates of strokes, high rates of high blood pressure, diabetes affects blacks at much higher rates than whites.

I'll give you another interesting fact:
Average Credit Scores for Homebuyers
Asian 745
Non-Hispanic White 734
Hispanic 701
African American 677

It correlates with average IQ.

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Drug use marijuana use is a big factor in what individuals functional IQ is, and drugs are used by a huge portion of the US population. 

The only info on that I have heard of is a study that found that people who were dependent on pot and basically smoked their brains out everyday, after 30 years, they lost 8 IQ points.  Even regular users who smoked 4 times a week didn't have the IQ loss.

Not having enough to eat during brain development is a big factor in IQ, but most of those differences have been eradicated in the past 100 years.  Most people get enough to eat, even though you can argue about the quality of the food.

I'm not trying to say that blacks are better or worse than anyone else.  Heck, blacks have a longer Achilles tendon, which enables them to run faster.  They tend to dominate many sports.  (They also have excellent verbal skills.  A white kid with an IQ of 70, you can tell right away just by looking at their face and mannerisms.  A black kid with an IQ of 70 is bright eyed, friendly and engaging.)
Here's a good way of looking at it.
An IQ of 70 is a mental age of 8 or 9.  Someone with a 70 IQ will get the same number of answers correct on an IQ test as an 8 or 9 year old white kid.
An IQ of 85 is a mental age about 14.
No one is suggesting that 8 or 9 year old kids (or 14 year old kids) are inferior, or that someone is somehow better than 8 or 9 year old kids since they have more brains.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BC on November 15, 2018, 04:43:55 PM
Dave,

you seem to be grasping for breath in the past and a bit of hearsay.  My period was in Europe from the very early 60's as a toddler with a few years absence in Panama, Puerto Rico and Turkey.  A brief 3-4 year stay in the US at 17 and then back to Europe since with more or less yearly visits back home for a month or so in the southeast.  In all, I've spent over 50 years overseas with 40+ in Europe and still counting.

I take it you haven't spent much time lately in Paris, Frankfurt, Rome, Milan, Brussels, Antwerp etc.  Quite 'rainbow' cities.  As far as mixed religions is concerned, I doubt any city beats Antwerp.  BTW life has returned to normal in Belgium.

Your 'look around' reference is a bit skewed.  In many places in the US I can and have wandered into that 'other' part of town.  Here in most of EU there's much more of a mix with very few 'hoods' and those are mostly defined by wealth or lack thereof , don't buy the 'banned zone' crap. It's not comparable to hundreds, maybe even thousands of cities and towns where the 'other side' exists. If anything, de facto segregation in the US is setting a bad wannabe example for a lot of kids on this side of the ocean.

In the 70's and 80's, especially in Germany interracial couples US GI's and local German girls became quite common, even marriages.  Sure some were jealous, penis envy maybe, their problem.  Fact is that they couldn't bring their racism to work or cause any kind of racial trouble off duty without pretty severe consequences.  It simply was not tolerated.  From basic training onward there were plenty of formal reminders and education about what was ok and what not.  May not have been perfect, but still light years ahead of what was going on back 'home', maybe even today.  Think about where district voting lines are drawn, and who lives on each side of that line.  Isn't a square, or circle, or zip code, or area code or county enough?  Heck, zip codes are laid out to make mail pickup and delivery efficient, so why wouldn't that make voting and collecting ballots more efficient?  The problem is that it would do exactly that :)

http://images.theconversation.com/files/193859/original/file-20171108-14205-190ar5y.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip

Reportedly so gerrymandered to connect two Hispanic portions of the city? Why should that matter? What about everybody else in-between?

Oh well, enuf to chew on.

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BC on November 15, 2018, 05:13:46 PM
http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/stop-talking-about-race-and-iq-take-it-from-someone-who-did.html
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: DaveNY on November 15, 2018, 05:32:03 PM
Dave,

I take it you haven't spent much time lately in Paris, Frankfurt, Rome, Milan, Brussels, Antwerp etc.  Quite 'rainbow' cities.  As far as mixed religions is concerned, I doubt any city beats Antwerp.  BTW life has returned to normal in Belgium.

My wife loves Paris and London so we tend to visit when we're going to or coming from Moscow. I've seen the rainbow populations living in Paris, especially those literally living on the streets. Have you been to the French countryside? It's so white in outside major French cities it makes the whitest parts of the US look integrated. The French had colonies in Africa and the Caribbean yet not very many of the residents of those colonies made it to France. Have you read about the French border guards making sure the migrants from Italy who crossed the Med don't make it into France?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/border-tensions-boil-france-dumps-migrants-italy-181022113500924.html


Your 'look around' reference is a bit skewed.  In many places in the US I can and have wandered into that 'other' part of town.  Here in most of EU there's much more of a mix with very few 'hoods' and those are mostly defined by wealth or lack thereof , don't buy the 'banned zone' crap. It's not comparable to hundreds, maybe even thousands of cities and towns where the 'other side' exists. If anything, de facto segregation in the US is setting a bad wannabe example for a lot of kids on this side of the ocean.

Can't be that much integration if countries in Europe that are hundreds of years older than the US and had overseas colonies in Africa and Asia are still whiter than the US.

Europe is also home to far more terrorist attacks than in the US. 9/11 may have been the biggest but countries like France keep having them.

In the 70's and 80's, especially in Germany interracial couples US GI's and local German girls became quite common, even marriages.  Sure some were jealous, penis envy maybe, their problem.  Fact is that they couldn't bring their racism to work or cause any kind of racial trouble off duty without pretty severe consequences.  It simply was not tolerated.  From basic training onward there were plenty of formal reminders and education about what was ok and what not.  May not have been perfect, but still light years ahead of what was going on back 'home', maybe even today.

As I said racism was reduced in the military starting in the 70s. However it certainly was evident in the 50s and 60s. Perhaps because of past incidents that's why it improved in the 70s.

Think about where district voting lines are drawn, and who lives on each side of that line.  Isn't a square, or circle, or zip code, or area code or county enough?  Heck, zip codes are laid out to make mail pickup and delivery efficient, so why wouldn't that make voting and collecting ballots more efficient?  The problem is that it would do exactly that :)

http://images.theconversation.com/files/193859/original/file-20171108-14205-190ar5y.jpg?ixlib=rb-1.1.0&q=45&auto=format&w=1000&fit=clip

Reportedly so gerrymandered to connect two Hispanic portions of the city? Why should that matter? What about everybody else in-between?

Oh well, enuf to chew on.

IMO early voting should be mandatory in every state. Maybe the feds could mandate it, don't know. Perhaps even certain days where early voting is open 24 hours for a couple of days to accommodate those who work shifts or who otherwise have busy lives.

As for gerrymandering I don't know why the SCOTUS hasn't outlawed it. With regard to voting districts that are done by squares or circles or zip codes there was an article I read several years ago that said that type of designs would still lead to disproportional representation. Also districts in cities tend to change over time so even if areas are perfectly proportional now they probably wouldn't be in 2 or 3 presidential elections in the future.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BillyB on November 15, 2018, 06:51:50 PM

I remember living in Germany as a young boy. I'd ask my mother why those people working in the store always stare at us. She said they think we are going to steal. Later I learned because we're minorities, that is why they were suspicious. Germany still today has tax dollars distributed to political parties including those sympathetic to Nazis.

We all play favorites. I value my family more than anybody here. I discriminate. We know the stereotypes. When I interview people, I know what every negative thing certain races are known for and factor that in when hiring them. I'm paying guys $400 a day to work and I better be right. I got a Black guy, few Hispanics, an Iraqi, a Ukrainian and American born Caucasians working for me. Whether they stay or get fired depends only on their performance, not the color of their skin.

Contrary to popular belief, there is little racism in America. Most minority groups make more money than White people. Most companies want to make money and do not hire based on the color of people's skin or where they were born. Sure racism exists but there are so many places it doesn't exist in America that a minority can easily be successful.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 15, 2018, 08:29:14 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-matteo-salvini-video-immigration-mass-cleansing-roma-travellers-far-right-league-party-a8409506.html

Mass cleansing but not racism?
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: DaveNY on November 15, 2018, 09:02:41 PM
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/italy-matteo-salvini-video-immigration-mass-cleansing-roma-travellers-far-right-league-party-a8409506.html

Mass cleansing but not racism?

Salvini also includes the Roma as migrants that Italy needs to rid itself of. Roma are also in France. The streets of Paris are full of them. Roma have been in Italy for decades probably soon after WW2, so it's unlikely Italy will ever be rid of Roma.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: Maxx2 on November 15, 2018, 10:04:57 PM
Salvini also includes the Roma as migrants that Italy needs to rid itself of. Roma are also in France. The streets of Paris are full of them. Roma have been in Italy for decades probably soon after WW2, so it's unlikely Italy will ever be rid of Roma.


Got lots of Roma in Georgia. They walk up to your car while you are waiting for the light to turn and beg for money. I keep some small change in the center counsel compartment for them. Usually they are children or women. Packing to move back to Batumi at this minute. Drinking a little coffee for the energy boost.
Title: DaveNY's revisionist demographics of Europe - continued
Post by: msmob on November 15, 2018, 10:09:57 PM
My wife loves Paris and London so we tend to visit when we're going to or coming from Moscow. I've seen the rainbow populations living in Paris, especially those literally living on the streets. Have you been to the French countryside? It's so white in outside major French cities it makes the whitest parts of the US look integrated. The French had colonies in Africa and the Caribbean yet not very many of the residents of those colonies made it to France. Have you read about the French border guards making sure the migrants from Italy who crossed the Med don't make it into France?

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2018/10/border-tensions-boil-france-dumps-migrants-italy-181022113500924.html

1/ Sadly, France has banned govt surveys on demographic issues concerning race / entities - so Dave's nonsense- in my opinion =  'factoids' on France can only be burst with unofficial surveys

http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/france-population/ (http://worldpopulationreview.com/countries/france-population/)

About the only point with which I agree is the migrants tend to stay in cities - which is true of most European nations - example Brittany has may be only 2% non France citizens

2/ Can one drive ( or take the train)  across the border to France from Italy  freely, now, DaveNY ?

3/ Former French colonies like Algeria and Morocco resulted in HUGE numbers of migrants before independence..in the example of Algeria .."sociological studies routinely reveal scandalous discrimination against up to 4 million [2012] of them in everything from jobs to housing. Woeful under-representation can be seen throughout public life. There are pitifully few French-Algerians in politics, the law, the media or any other profession."

http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/19/french-algerians-still-second-class (http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2012/dec/19/french-algerians-still-second-class)

Moroccan born or born of Moroccans emigres made up approx 1.5 million ,in 2012

http://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/1374019?sommaire=1374025 (http://www.insee.fr/fr/statistiques/1374019?sommaire=1374025)

Once again, glad to help with your misconceptions
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: msmob on November 15, 2018, 10:25:25 PM
Germany still today has tax dollars distributed to political parties including those sympathetic to Nazis.

Would you care to share the source of this revelation ?


Contrary to popular belief, there is little racism in America.

I'm sure events in places like events in  Baton Rouge, , Charlotte, Baltimore and  Ferguson support your  interesting assertion
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BillyB on November 16, 2018, 12:27:01 AM
Would you care to share the source of this revelation ?


I thought you knew all about Europe.

http://www.dw.com/en/germanys-constitutional-court-rules-against-banning-far-right-npd-party/a-37155332

http://www.dw.com/en/angela-merkels-cabinet-greenlights-motion-to-cut-off-far-right-npd-from-state-funding/a-43443315

I'm sure events in places like events in  Baton Rouge, , Charlotte, Baltimore and  Ferguson support your  interesting assertion


Only Moby can take a few incidences and think it represents all of America. I bet in your country most minority groups make less than the majority.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: msmob on November 16, 2018, 01:11:36 AM
I thought you knew all about Europe.

Enough to know that your first link concerned not BANNING - rather than funding and the second link was about STOPPING the NPD receiving any funding as a political movement -

Tell us what percentage of votes they get and their 'political significance' in the form of representation at local / national level  in Germany,  BillyB..

 
Only Moby can take a few incidences and think it represents all of America.

It 'merely' demonstrated your contention tat America isn't racist was tosh ...

I bet in your country most minority groups make less than the majority.

In 'my' country..

Do you mean the one I live in, or the one's I hold passports of ..?

Where I live the indigenous population are also now the minority

 In Ireland / UK they haven't been invaded for a few hundred years or more...some of 'em just left to invade what you now call 'your' country ..









Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2018, 06:25:15 AM
. I bet in your country most minority groups make less than the majority.

BillyB-

Moby doesn’t have a country. He has an English passport not because he’s a citizen of England but because England’s overlord can keep tabs in his whereabouts to make sure taxes keep coming in. Northern Ireland is not a country. It’s not a state. It has no Union representation and even if it does, it’s for sheer formality. NI is like a bastard child no one wants around and is given sad tag line for a sense of belonging.

Heck NI doesn’t even have an anthem. It has to suck up to England’s anthem unlike the kingdoms of Scotland and Wales.

Think of a sheep pasture and you can see Moby. That should give you an idea. Why do you think he’s hardly ever sober? Wouldn’t you be too if you were Moby?

 :devil:
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: Bee Farmer on November 16, 2018, 07:33:31 AM
http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/stop-talking-about-race-and-iq-take-it-from-someone-who-did.html

You have a point BC.  It's not politically correct to talk about race and IQ.

Let's talk about McNamara's Morons Project 100,000 instead, where they sent all those Forrest Gumpers with IQ's as low as 62 to Vietnam, where they were more of a threat to their fellow soldiers than they were to the VC.

Or maybe we can talk about how in the early 1990's, the Clinton administration asked Colin Powell what could be done to get more minorities (ie, blacks, as several other minorities were already represented) in the Special Forces.  In his report he said to do away with the swimming test since blacks can't swim, and to do away with the IQ test. (since the SF require 1 standard deviation above average IQ for SF)
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: John Gaunt on November 16, 2018, 08:41:48 AM
BillyB-

Moby doesn’t have a country. He has an English passport not because he’s a citizen of England but because England’s overlord can keep tabs in his whereabouts to make sure taxes keep coming in. Northern Ireland is not a country. It’s not a state. It has no Union representation and even if it does, it’s for sheer formality. NI is like a bastard child no one wants around and is given sad tag line for a sense of belonging.

Heck NI doesn’t even have an anthem. It has to suck up to England’s anthem unlike the kingdoms of Scotland and Wales.

Think of a sheep pasture and you can see Moby. That should give you an idea. Why do you think he’s hardly ever sober? Wouldn’t you be too if you were Moby?

 :devil:


Ummmm....GQB. There’s a whole lot wrong about your post. Some corrections would be in order.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2018, 09:18:02 AM

Ummmm....GQB. There’s a whole lot wrong about your post. Some corrections would be in order.

Opppsss...my bad! I didn't realize he's never sober?!?  :P
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2018, 09:27:02 AM
Salvini also includes the Roma as migrants that Italy needs to rid itself of. Roma are also in France. The streets of Paris are full of them. Roma have been in Italy for decades probably soon after WW2, so it's unlikely Italy will ever be rid of Roma.

In my time in Central Europe I did witness rampant negative attitudes towards Roma. One story shared by an ex with me was when the government of Slovakia at the time developed housing for Romas to keep them from settling encampments along the railways. Unfortunately, she said, the 'homes' didn't have any heating utilities so the Romas started hacking away at the new homes' for lumber for firewood until it was all destroyed.

I remember there was general apprehension in admitting some of the CE countries to the EU not until they get rid of (potential) corruption within the nations' systems, but also the pending influx of 'those inferior' beings...

Romas, like Palestinians, are nomadic. They are a lot alike in some ways. Then and now...
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2018, 10:11:22 AM
You have a point BC.  It's not politically correct to talk about race and IQ.

Let's talk about McNamara's Morons Project 100,000 instead, where they sent all those Forrest Gumpers with IQ's as low as 62 to Vietnam, where they were more of a threat to their fellow soldiers than they were to the VC.

Or maybe we can talk about how in the early 1990's, the Clinton administration asked Colin Powell what could be done to get more minorities (ie, blacks, as several other minorities were already represented) in the Special Forces.  In his report he said to do away with the swimming test since blacks can't swim, and to do away with the IQ test. (since the SF require 1 standard deviation above average IQ for SF)

Bee Farmer-

I'm sure you know the bolded part of your post is a myth, right?

Black folks (Negroids), like Australoids, have heavier body mass composition which counteract their natural buoyancy (volume displacement). It's not they can't swim, or do not know how, but rather have much more difficulty to stay buoyant and requires faster strokes (or much better efficiency) to 'slow down' from sinking..which means, doing so would result in burning out faster and would eventually end up sinking and drowning...
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: msmob on November 16, 2018, 02:24:39 PM
BillyB-

Moby doesn’t have a country. He has an English passport

 :ROFL:

What's an 'English' passport ?

(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/e/e1/Ukpassport-cover.jpg)

WHERE does the word England or English appear ...... ?  It's a BRITISH passport .... I SPEAK English and you claim you do ;)



Northern Ireland is not a country. It’s not a state. It has no Union representation and even if it does, it’s for sheer formality. NI is like a bastard child no one wants around and is given sad tag line for a sense of belonging.

Right now - Northern Ireland is EXTREMELY popular with over half the UK population  - given the country's ( it's a kingdom made up up of four nations) 10 MPs - representing about 30 percent of the electorate's interests are unwittingly ensuring NO Brexit or a very short time outside of the club...

   
Heck NI doesn’t even have an anthem. It has to suck up to England’s anthem unlike the kingdoms of Scotland and Wales.

Jeez, why do I sing Danny Boy when NI play footie when GQB knows, better ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srE4j2zJrU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srE4j2zJrU)

Think of a sheep pasture and you can see Moby. That should give you an idea. Why do you think he’s hardly ever sober? Wouldn’t you be too if you were Moby?

 :devil:

You seem to be confusing me for a Welshman, now ..    They are the one's big on Sheep ..

Always glad to help you understand, better
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: DaveNY on November 16, 2018, 03:26:27 PM


Right now - Northern Ireland is EXTREMELY popular with over half the UK population  - given the country's ( it's a kingdom made up up of four nations) 10 MPs - representing about 30 percent of the electorate's interests are unwittingly ensuring NO Brexit or a very short time outside of the club...


msmob you should be ashamed to be from Northern Ireland. NI is 98.28% White. You should move to somewhere that has a more diverse population.

Why isn't NI doing more to bring in a diverse population? I'm sure some of those crossing the Med from North Africa would love to live and work in NI. Perhaps a more diverse population would put an end to all the violence that NI has seen over the last 50 years?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Northern_Ireland
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2018, 03:26:55 PM
:ROFL:

What's an 'English' passport ?

WHERE does the word England or English appear ...... ?  It's a BRITISH passport .... I SPEAK English and you claim you do ;)

OY! The UK. The UNITED KINGDOM...make it what you like if it makes you feel better...The English got you guys wrapped around it's greasy hands, man...LMAO.

...and Northern Ireland is, FWIW, a tag line...Sort of like Gladys Knight and her 'pips'.  :devil:

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Right now - Northern Ireland is EXTREMELY popular with over half the UK population  - given the country's ( it's a kingdom made up up of four nations) 10 MPs - representing about 30 percent of the electorate's interests are unwittingly ensuring NO Brexit or a very short time outside of the club...

 :ROFL: 4 Nations?!? LMAO...Let's see...England, Scotland, Wales...and that sheep pasture called - northern Ireland. I only counted 3 Moby. Which one is the 4th nation?

   
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Jeez, why do I sing Danny Boy when NI play footie when GQB knows, better ;)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srE4j2zJrU (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8srE4j2zJrU)

You seem to be confusing me for a Welshman, now ..    They are the one's big on Sheep ..

Always glad to help you understand, better

Now, which 'queen' is it that's being wished to be saved on this anthem?

http://www.independent.ie/videos/sport/video-god-save-the-queen-booed-before-northern-ireland-game-37535837.html

Don't get me wrong Moby. I like Irish folks. The real kind.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BillyB on November 16, 2018, 05:23:42 PM
Enough to know that your first link concerned not BANNING - rather than funding and the second link was about STOPPING the NPD receiving any funding as a political movement -


The NPD Nazis received German tax payer money just like I mentioned, yes? They haven't been stopped due to courts protecting their rights. You want equal rights except when it's given to people you don't like? Political parties get State money to function in Germany. I understand the liberal parties of free speech and tolerance want to ban the opposition or at least their funding. One day their opposition will be the majority and the same tolerance they've shown to minorities will be shown to them.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: tfcrew on November 16, 2018, 09:30:23 PM
I was surprised at this one.....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mW7FaYpVG2c
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: tfcrew on November 16, 2018, 09:40:16 PM
 Mrs Mitch McConnell ...Chinese lady ...Elaine is smart and pretty

                            (http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/0/04/Elaine_Chao_official_portrait.jpg/220px-Elaine_Chao_official_portrait.jpg)
 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BC on November 16, 2018, 09:43:24 PM
You have a point BC.  It's not politically correct to talk about race and IQ.

Obviously you do not have the IQ to read and comprehend what the author wrote.  Anyone else here willing to step up and agree that the article http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/stop-talking-about-race-and-iq-take-it-from-someone-who-did.html asserts what is stated above?

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Let's talk about McNamara's Morons Project 100,000 instead, where they sent all those Forrest Gumpers with IQ's as low as 62 to Vietnam, where they were more of a threat to their fellow soldiers than they were to the VC.

"The “typical” Project 100,000 recruit was Caucasian in his early 20s and a high school dropout with sixth grade reading and mathematics abilities.  Black and Latino men, however, were vastly overrepresented in Project 100,000. Of the New Standards Men, over 40% were African Americans and of that number, 65% were from the South.   Some recruits were unable to speak English, others were considered too short or too tall under standard requirements."
http://blackpast.org/gah/project-100-000-1966-1971

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Or maybe we can talk about how in the early 1990's, the Clinton administration asked Colin Powell what could be done to get more minorities (ie, blacks, as several other minorities were already represented) in the Special Forces.  In his report he said to do away with the swimming test since blacks can't swim, and to do away with the IQ test. (since the SF require 1 standard deviation above average IQ for SF)

Your source?  I'm sure you now want to somehow link swimming ability to IQ?  There are plenty of men and women of all color who never learned how to swim.

I join those who consider your views sad and pathetic.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: msmob on November 16, 2018, 10:16:32 PM
The NPD Nazis received German tax payer money just like I mentioned, yes? They haven't been stopped due to courts protecting their rights.

They haven't been stopped as  it ( NPD) " did not pose a significant enough threat to German democracy for it to be outlawed."

"Critics have also warned that any move to ban or starve the NPD of financing could drive its members underground and promote further radicalisation"

http://www.dw.com/en/german-government-moves-to-block-state-funding-for-neo-nazi-npd/a-38343628 (http://www.dw.com/en/german-government-moves-to-block-state-funding-for-neo-nazi-npd/a-38343628)

So, Silly BillyB - may be you were inferring the Germans were turning a blind eye and supporting such parties ?

It's clear that the tactic to keep NPD is their box is working ...    The govt will be FAR for worried about AfD

You want equal rights except when it's given to people you don't like? Political parties get State money to function in Germany. I understand the liberal parties of free speech and tolerance want to ban the opposition or at least their funding. One day their opposition will be the majority and the same tolerance they've shown to minorities will be shown to them.

What ARE you blathering about .?.

SURE, I personally, do not like the aims of NPD and those who seek to stir up suspicion re migrants

The German Courts have not banned the party - and they continue to exist - in near obscurity ... re representation

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BillyB on November 16, 2018, 10:25:48 PM
They haven't been stopped as  it ( NPD) " did not pose a significant enough threat to German democracy for it to be outlawed."


So if someday the German people embrace Fascism...again and  the parties of tolerance and free speech lose power, the parties of tolerance and free speech will only then try to eliminate the NPD. Makes you wonder who the Fascists are.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: msmob on November 16, 2018, 10:29:40 PM
So if someday the German people embrace Fascism...again and  the parties of tolerance and free speech lose power, the parties of tolerance and free speech will only then try to eliminate the NPD. Makes you wonder who the Fascists are.

You STILL won't get it

NPD are not a threat to democracy ... they are not getting serious voting might


 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: tfcrew on November 21, 2018, 05:41:51 PM
I was surprised at this one.....


 
Robert De Niro and his wife of over 20 years, Grace Hightower have just split.
Am now surprised that I was surprised. Will cost millions it is reported.
http://www.news.com.au/entertainment/celebrity-life/hook-ups-break-ups/robert-de-niros-shock-split-from-wife/news-story/53b374fc0f5da176fc0a48754430bb49

Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: Bee Farmer on November 23, 2018, 07:59:54 PM
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Obviously you do not have the IQ to read and comprehend what the author wrote.  Anyone else here willing to step up and agree that the article http://slate.com/news-and-politics/2018/04/stop-talking-about-race-and-iq-take-it-from-someone-who-did.html asserts what is stated above?

BC, the author is trying to argue some BS that IQ doesn't matter...which is complete BS.  IQ really does matter.

There is something known as competence.  Low IQ people have difficulties with competence.  If you are in a situation where you need to depend on someone else, you darn sure want them to be competent.

There are blacks who are high IQ and very competent, but the percentage of high IQ, competent blacks is much lower than other races.

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Your source? 

Try Uncle Google.  It's not hard to find, if you have enough intelligence to use Google.

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I'm sure you now want to somehow link swimming ability to IQ?

I make no such correlation.  I'll leave that up to you.

Swimming ability was one of two factors Powell cited as being reasons for so few blacks in the special forces.

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There are plenty of men and women of all color who never learned how to swim.

Unfortunately, lack of knowledge of how to swim was not the problem.  Physiology was.

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I join those who consider your views sad and pathetic.

Just as I join those who consider your views to be sad, pathetic, and ignorant.

There really are racial differences.

Anyone who runs a business or organization knows you want to hire people who bring the most value and competence.  That correlates with IQ.  If you bring on board a lot of low IQ idiots, your business or organization suffers.

I have nothing against blacks or other minorities.  I do have something against low IQ idiots and incompetence.  Only a fool would pretend that some races do not have higher distributions of idiots and incompetents than other races.

Ever consider the possibility the Bible is correct?
God gave Abraham a promise to bless his descendants.
What if that blessing amounted to higher IQ, plus Judeo-Christian work ethic and inventiveness? (Asians have high IQ, but East minus West equals zero, as Ayn Rand put it.)
When you look at the migration of the tribes of Israel, and where those tribes ended up, what do you find?  Predominantly white, Western cultures.
What if God's chosen people were the white, Western societies?
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: DaveNY on November 23, 2018, 09:24:21 PM

Ever consider the possibility the Bible is correct?
God gave Abraham a promise to bless his descendants.
What if that blessing amounted to higher IQ, plus Judeo-Christian work ethic and inventiveness? (Asians have high IQ, but East minus West equals zero, as Ayn Rand put it.)
When you look at the migration of the tribes of Israel, and where those tribes ended up, what do you find?  Predominantly white, Western cultures.
What if God's chosen people were the white, Western societies?

Bee Farmer what do you think would happen if space aliens landed on Earth next week and announced their presence and the presence of a vast network of other alien races throughout the known universe?

What do you think would happen if through the course of discussions with the space aliens the space aliens admitted that they were behind the rise of the various religions around the world? In addition, the space aliens had the video to prove they were the force behind the rise of religion.

The space aliens had video showing that they taught the ancient Britons how to build Stonehenge. The space aliens had video of them teaching and helping the Egyptians build the pyramids and teaching the Egyptians hieroglyphics. The space aliens had video of one of the space aliens as Jesus preaching to the masses and being crucified on the cross and then rising 3 days later. The space aliens had video of one of the space aliens as Muhammad teaching about Islam. In fact, the space aliens had video of them creating and nurturing all of the world's religions.

Bee Farmer what do you think the various religions and the world as a whole would do when they found out the world's religions were all fake? Created and encouraged by space aliens?   
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: BC on November 24, 2018, 01:16:41 AM
BC, the author is trying to argue some BS that IQ doesn't matter...which is complete BS.  IQ really does matter.

There is something known as competence. Low IQ people have difficulties with competence.  If you are in a situation where you need to depend on someone else, you darn sure want them to be competent.

There are blacks who are high IQ and very competent, but the percentage of high IQ, competent blacks is much lower than other races.

Try Uncle Google.  It's not hard to find, if you have enough intelligence to use Google.


Obviously you were not capable of comprehending what was written. Had your IQ tested lately?  How about your reading skills?  You are obviously deficient at the latter and terrible with basic logic and common sense.

Now all of a sudden you want to throw in another factor 'competence' because your original argument does not hold on it's own?

Entertain me with your google sites. Any with white robes and peaked caps?


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I make no such correlation.  I'll leave that up to you.

Swimming ability was one of two factors Powell cited as being reasons for so few blacks in the special forces.

Unfortunately, lack of knowledge of how to swim was not the problem.  Physiology was.


Funny you qualify your statements when you are shown contrary.  Take a man of color and another white of same stature.  Both have never seen deep water and throw them both in and see what happens.

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Just as I join those who consider your views to be sad, pathetic, and ignorant.

There really are racial differences.

Anyone who runs a business or organization knows you want to hire people who bring the most value and competence.  That correlates with IQ.  If you bring on board a lot of low IQ idiots, your business or organization suffers.

I have nothing against blacks or other minorities.  I do have something against low IQ idiots and incompetence.  Only a fool would pretend that some races do not have higher distributions of idiots and incompetents than other races.


I have been self-employed with my own businesses since I was 30.  I never even thought about a man or woman's color when hiring or firing.  I even hired a lily white wannabe nazi without knowing it at the time despite his boots, funny pants, tan shirt and little moustache.  He had some problems (drinking) and things didn't work out after a bit.  Most of the folks that stuck around were not 'indigenous'.  Total ethnic mix of just about every religion, or not,  out there

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Ever consider the possibility the Bible is correct?
God gave Abraham a promise to bless his descendants.
What if that blessing amounted to higher IQ, plus Judeo-Christian work ethic and inventiveness? (Asians have high IQ, but East minus West equals zero, as Ayn Rand put it.)
When you look at the migration of the tribes of Israel, and where those tribes ended up, what do you find?  Predominantly white, Western cultures.
What if God's chosen people were the white, Western societies?

Trying to acquire fans around here you think will think your way because they practice some  'Judeo-Christian religion?'  Plenty of non-white folks go to church and believe in Christ.

Did you know that a higher percentage of Christian men and women of color attend church, pray regularly, participate in religious education and believe in God than those of your or my skin color?

Did you know that the Muslim world brought about many of of the roots of fields such as science with scientific method, chemistry, mathematics like algebra, philosophy, culture and medicine?

You are as lost in yourself as it gets bee-farmer, even to the point of scraping the bottom of the barrel to try and attain some feeling of superiority that will balance your low self-esteem.  That is sad, weak and repulsive.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: SANDRO43 on November 24, 2018, 07:38:57 AM
When you look at the migration of the tribes of Israel, and where those tribes ended up, what do you find? Predominantly white, Western cultures. What if God's chosen people were the white, Western societies?
Considering where those tribes lived (Egypt) and ended (Palestine), probably NOT very white and in the Near East :D. 

(http://sites.google.com/site/hartswebquestcentral/_/rsrc/1316050533680/home/ancientisrael/ancient-israelites-egyptian-captivity-w300h2311.jpg)
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: fathertime on November 24, 2018, 09:58:33 AM

Ever consider the possibility the Bible is correct?
God gave Abraham a promise to bless his descendants.
What if that blessing amounted to higher IQ, plus Judeo-Christian work ethic and inventiveness? (Asians have high IQ, but East minus West equals zero, as Ayn Rand put it.)
When you look at the migration of the tribes of Israel, and where those tribes ended up, what do you find?  Predominantly white, Western cultures.
What if God's chosen people were the white, Western societies?
Using Ayn Rand and the bible as possible references isn't credible.   From your view IQ matters when discussing blacks or latinos, but IQ is discounted/discarded when referring to Asians.  Which of course conveniently leaves you at the very top of the food chain. 

Fathertime!   
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: jone on November 24, 2018, 10:09:34 AM
One thing that has always bothered me was the Anglification of Jesus by Western civilization.  It is more likely that Jesus was dark brown instead of all those pictures of him as someone, say, that you'd meet in Norway.   It is possible he even was considered Black.  Absent imagery, it is impossible to say, except that natives from his territory are a mix that favors Mediterranean colors. 
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: DaveNY on November 24, 2018, 10:27:38 AM
One thing that has always bothered me was the Anglification of Jesus by Western civilization.  It is more likely that Jesus was dark brown instead of all those pictures of him as someone, say, that you'd meet in Norway.   It is possible he even was considered Black.  Absent imagery, it is impossible to say, except that natives from his territory are a mix that favors Mediterranean colors.

Some of the Popes of the time of the first millennium after the supposed death of Jesus were from North Africa and the Middle East so there must have been black Popes.
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: GenMish on November 24, 2018, 11:25:57 AM

Ever consider the possibility the Bible is correct?
God gave Abraham a promise to bless his descendants.
What if that blessing amounted to higher IQ, plus Judeo-Christian work ethic and inventiveness? (Asians have high IQ, but East minus West equals zero, as Ayn Rand put it.)
When you look at the migration of the tribes of Israel, and where those tribes ended up, what do you find?  Predominantly white, Western cultures.
What if God's chosen people were the white, Western societies?


 When you first offered IQs, the higher IQ Jews were the Ashkenazi(European) Jews but Sephardic Jews have lower IQs. In some cases like the Mizrahim, Magravim and Tenonim much lower. The reason for this, is that Judaism was once a very evangelical religion, and many different peoples converted. Jews sent out missionairies after the Babylonian Captivity with great success. Jewish communities sprang up from India to Africa to Europe

In both the Christian and Jewish tradition, the blessing falls to Abrahams spiritual descendants. While its true many Jews today are actually from the physical line of Judah, many are not. Not to mention it gets really dicey if one wants to include all Hebrew descendants, because 10 of the tribes went into captivity by the Assyrians. They never returned as punishment for their idolatry. To further complicate matters there is probably just as much Hebrew blood in Jericho as there is in Tel Aviv today

Going back to IQs, the Islamic world was equal or ahead of Europe for centuries intellectually. Its not until the Renaissance do we see the West excel. I will suggest it was the work of St Thomas Aquinas that RESHAPED western patterns of thought. These new methods of thinking benefitted certain ethnic groups more than others

Lets all remember all the high IQ Northern Europeans forefathers were illiterate barbarians worshiping trees when Babylon ruled the civilized world
Title: Re: Prevalence of Interracial Relationships
Post by: Boethius on November 24, 2018, 11:47:56 AM
Some of the Popes of the time of the first millennium after the supposed death of Jesus were from North Africa and the Middle East so there must have been black Popes.


The first pope (Peter) was from Galilee.  The majority of the remaining popes in the first and second century were from Rome, or from what is now Italy.  There was another pope from Bethlehem, one from Syria, and one from Greece (before the schism).  There was a Berber descent pope, in the fourth century, I believe.


Research tends to indicate that Jews of Jesus' time were similar, look wise, to modern day Syrian and Iraqi Jews.  The majority have black or brown hair, and dark eyes, but some are red haired with either brown or green eyes.


This post was composed without the aid of google.