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RWD Discussion Groups => Odds and Ends => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on January 19, 2020, 05:34:45 PM

Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 19, 2020, 05:34:45 PM
Good News guys, looks like at last there may be a ray of hope to turning around the freefall of decay and misery that has come about over the last few decades:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/av/stories-51113371/submitting-to-my-husband-like-it-s-1959-why-i-became-a-tradwife

I was much heartened after seeing this article and it looks like there might be at last a glimmer of hope to reversing the feminist hell hole of western society. Hopefully this will lead to more women seeking this more pleasant lifestyle and turning their back on the cold corporate world and slugging it out against men until both lose out. Hopefully this will lead to more men and women getting together in fruitful relationships instead of lonely single lives.

It will be too late for me of course, my only hope is the FSU who have stuck with the above traditional model of family. If it gains traction and can turn our failing western societies around then most of the next generation can have a happier life than we have. We will be able to avoid young mums who can't cope and single guys living out of small rooms on Xbox and/or weed. We can avoid pandemics of people high on over the counter prescription drugs and we can get back to a society that actually works :)

We've had at least two generations, Generation X & Millennials suffer at the hands of feminists and the breakdown of society. Let's do something good and support these green shoots of hope and give our support to 'tradwife' :D
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 20, 2020, 01:40:29 AM
I hope you find the slave you are looking for...
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Davo on January 20, 2020, 02:29:43 PM
I don’t think you’ve thought this through trench.... women won’t have a pleasant life style. They won’t bother studying because their future husband will be the provider financially. Most women will have to find a husband straight after school so she’s not living in poverty. Until that happens, with no job prospects she will be on state support or supported by her parents. Because most have married young (under 25) 85% will eventually be divorced and back on government support and miserable because she has no education and no future. While this is happening the whole economy has collapsed because all men have to chase high paying jobs to survive on a single income family and with out women in the work force there is not enough workers to allow modern society function.

If you haven’t noticed most FSU women work and want to work in their new country. Your future wife will definitely have to because she will be living in poverty in just your wage. Most family’s who live a comfortable life at least need 50k combined income. Your idea of keeping your wife home and get her pregnant, so she won’t leave you for a better man, will actually drive her to do this.... especially if she’s trying to survive on your wage.

First and second wave feminism is a great thing and all men should support women’s rights for equal pay and rights. Russian women want what their western sisters have, they want feminism, but they don’t want radical third wave feminism. Most women world wide distance themselves from this brand of feminism.

On the whole feminism hasn’t ruined western women, they still want the things FSU women want regarding a man being a gentleman and to show chivalry and if you try to say otherwise, start dating at home and find out for yourself. The only men who knock feminism are men who get rejected by women and can’t see their flaws, so they have to blame something. The only guys who can knock it is if they are trying to date radical feminists and being rejected because they are part of the matriarchy. I’ve never dated or even met a radial feminist and I’m sure most other guys are in the same boat.




Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Patagonie on January 20, 2020, 02:45:42 PM
To support a family with only one wage the household needs to earn at least 5 grands a month to have a life. 
Depending the country it is less than 5 or 10% of men capable to give such support. 
Therefore this dream of a whole society full of tradwife is limited, and there will be less and less guys in the future capable to support a tradwife as the society is shifting the money to the rich, super rich and ultra rich. 
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 20, 2020, 03:04:41 PM
One can't have much of a life on a family salary of $60,000 in most of Canada, once taxes are factored into the equation.


Trench, you would have to be earning a lot more than you are to have a stay at home wife.  Arguments about money are one of the top reasons for divorce.


This post was composed without the aid of google.




Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 20, 2020, 03:42:42 PM
I don’t think you’ve thought this through trench.... women won’t have a pleasant life style. They won’t bother studying because their future husband will be the provider financially. Most women will have to find a husband straight after school so she’s not living in poverty. Until that happens, with no job prospects she will be on state support or supported by her parents. Because most have married young (under 25) 85% will eventually be divorced and back on government support and miserable because she has no education and no future. While this is happening the whole economy has collapsed because all men have to chase high paying jobs to survive on a single income family and with out women in the work force there is not enough workers to allow modern society function.

If you haven’t noticed most FSU women work and want to work in their new country. Your future wife will definitely have to because she will be living in poverty in just your wage. Most family’s who live a comfortable life at least need 50k combined income. Your idea of keeping your wife home and get her pregnant, so she won’t leave you for a better man, will actually drive her to do this.... especially if she’s trying to survive on your wage.

First and second wave feminism is a great thing and all men should support women’s rights for equal pay and rights. Russian women want what their western sisters have, they want feminism, but they don’t want radical third wave feminism. Most women world wide distance themselves from this brand of feminism.

On the whole feminism hasn’t ruined western women, they still want the things FSU women want regarding a man being a gentleman and to show chivalry and if you try to say otherwise, start dating at home and find out for yourself. The only men who knock feminism are men who get rejected by women and can’t see their flaws, so they have to blame something. The only guys who can knock it is if they are trying to date radical feminists and being rejected because they are part of the matriarchy. I’ve never dated or even met a radial feminist and I’m sure most other guys are in the same boat.

Davo, it's not really an all out ban on women working at all. Generally a woman would leave school at either 16, 17 or 18. They would get a job but not generally be seeking 'a career' but instead be at work and either find someone their or through their social life. When they find someone they wish to be with to start a family they move in together and have kids at the appropriate point.

The woman then stays at home and raises the kids till they are of to kindergarten/preschool or primary school. She can then get a part time job to help with paying for stuff. If the family is wealthy enough she wouldn't have to do this, or she could work from home.

In general that is a far more pleasant scenario, being at home in nice surrounding with kids or just working part time than being stuck in some bland office all day hearing about a load of rubbish & doing a load of rubbish that doesn't really matter working for an employer that would drop you like hot coals the moment it becomes mildly convenient for them to. Even as a guy I know where I would much rather be.

In the UK much money is wasted in higher education training people up for too few highly paid careers. Better for all concerned to not mislead people and have either gender pitched against one another in a career style boxing match that in many cases both will probably lose. We've already seen how this can create passive men. Genders in society work by having one side needing the other to make the whole equation work. If both genders are left holding the same card to trade then there is little inclination to get together. People do of course but many more would if there was overriding forces to do so.
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: JayH on January 21, 2020, 01:14:20 AM
Nothing can save Trenchcoat from himself ! :deadhorse: :cluebat:

Some "gems" of the manifest of TC today!




In general that is a far more pleasant scenario, being at home in nice surrounding with kids or just working part time than being stuck in some bland office all day hearing about a load of rubbish & doing a load of rubbish that doesn't really matter working for an employer that would drop you like hot coals the moment it becomes mildly convenient for them to.

In the UK much money is wasted in higher education training

We've already seen how this can create passive me
n.
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 21, 2020, 01:38:49 AM

In the UK much money is wasted in higher education

You are the prime example of that... Your 'essays' on dating / women of Britain are proof ..

Your 'observations/ theories' are nonsense.

 
Misogyny is strong in Trench
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on January 21, 2020, 08:16:27 AM
It will be too late for me of course

You've put yourself into the situation of being a pauper where you
need your future wife to get a job and help support you and your
future family.

In order to find a woman who wants to be a homemaker you actually
have to make enough money to support a family which you don't.
Having a homemaker at home helps make you more productive
because you have a partner in crime that takes all that stuff off
your plate so that you can work harder and more efficiently at
making money.

What probably appeals to you is the theory that a homemaker is submissive
and most FSUW aren't submissive. Get into an argument with an FSUW and
you will find out that they are as submissive as hive of angry bees. Try to
micromanage them and you'll find out that doesn't work either.

I don't know where to find a submissive. Maybe Africa?

A hot, submissive woman who wants to happily live in poverty and make babies
with a man of mediocre means, goals and motivations is a unicorn. An FSUW
will find 100 jobs per week that make more money than you are making now
and suggest that you apply to them.

She will make your life a living hell until you are able to provide sufficiently for
her and future children.

Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Chelseaboy on January 21, 2020, 08:38:01 AM
8.1 million people were living alone in the UK in 2017...this doesn't include all the single parents who have no partner.

Doesn't seem like the current way of life in the UK is working very well.
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on January 21, 2020, 08:48:25 AM
8.1 million people were living alone in the UK in 2017...this doesn't include all the single parents who have no partner.

Doesn't seem like the current way of life in the UK is working very well.

My wife Angel Eyes manages our house and I make the money. She makes
me far more effective than if I were on my own.

I don't manage her domain and she rarely tries to manage mine.

Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: John Gaunt on January 21, 2020, 09:41:57 AM
In today’s society, if earning a median income, it makes sense for the woman to stay at home and be the main provider of childcare during the key child rearing years instead of working and paying for very expensive childcare.
It’s also good for the child to have a parent at home in those important developmental years.

That is, of course, dependent on the man earning enough to provide a decent standard of living while wifey stays at home with the babies.

Trench doesn’t earn enough to provide for two, let alone the added expense of having a child.

Children cost money and the older they get the more they cost.
 
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: ML on January 21, 2020, 09:56:15 AM

Children cost money and the older they get the more they cost.

And many of us have seen cases where adult children cost the parents more than they did as babies and young children . . .

and certainly can cause the parents much more trouble, aside from just money.

I remember when my first child was less than one year old.
An older friend who had teenage and adult children was visiting.
I mentioned how I was anxious for child to be older to play sports with etc.

He said:  No . . . it would be best for you if your child remained exactly at this current age !!!
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on January 21, 2020, 10:17:08 AM
It’s also good for the child to have a parent at home in those important developmental years.

Having a parent with the child ensures that the child is with
somebody who actually loves them during those developmental
years. When you subcontract that out you lose that.

Bill Barr about hugging daughters:

"You've got to hug your daughters, you've got to hug the stripper
totally out of them."

Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: John Gaunt on January 21, 2020, 10:52:56 AM
And many of us have seen cases where adult children cost the parents more than they did as babies and young children . . .

and certainly can cause the parents much more trouble, aside from just money.

I remember when my first child was less than one year old.
An older friend who had teenage and adult children was visiting.
I mentioned how I was anxious for child to be older to play sports with etc.

He said:  No . . . it would be best for you if your child remained exactly at this current age !!!
How true.

My late teen child causes me more angst then my 10 yr old.
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 21, 2020, 01:30:56 PM
Bill Barr about hugging daughters:

"You've got to hug your daughters, you've got to hug the stripper
totally out of them."



Wow.  If he actually said that, it's incredibly misogynsitic.


This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Davo on January 21, 2020, 01:51:02 PM

Wow.  If he actually said that, it's incredibly misogynsitic.


This post was composed without the aid of google.

You’ll love this video from Bill then Boe 😂

http://youtu.be/N0vZhz3sN_E
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 22, 2020, 12:19:16 AM
I hope you find the slave you are looking for...

Lol, in fact the man could and has complained that he is a slave under this arrangement. A bit like in the you tube video shown above here. The guy can be a wage slave bound to going out and bringing home the money day after day, relentlessly.

I'm not saying it is perfect but it's a hell of a lot better set up than we have at the moment. At the moment we have both genders fighting each other for careers and housing resulting in both losing out and a lot of bitterness and social problems.

I've even come across situations where a single mother says she doesn't need a man, only to later be complaining that she doesn't know how bro deal with a problem, write a letter in an effective way, etc. The answer is of course is to get a man who can deal with those problems, who has the skills the other is lacking in and vice versa.

It's really just a case of two parts of a jigsaw slotting together to make a better coherent whole. It's practical common sense thing to do and yet we have an adversarial system of upbringing in this country to set one another off against each other when each other is the solution and not the problem.

In many ways we are still stuck with the 'yuck boys' or 'yuck girls' mentality that was prevelent when I was growing up in Primary School. Only problem is it never ended there but continued on into adulthood for most of the population. It's a feminist mentality that is the root cause of it and it's wreaking our society and lives very fast unfortunately.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 22, 2020, 01:21:29 AM
Lol, in fact the man could and has complained that he is a slave under this arrangement. A bit like in the you tube video shown above here. The guy can be a wage slave bound to going out and bringing home the money day after day, relentlessly.

How is he a wage slave?  He'd have to work, regardless of whether or not his wife were there tending to his other needs.

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At the moment we have both genders fighting each other for careers and housing resulting in both losing out and a lot of bitterness and social problems.

I agree that many social problems are caused by the break up of families.  I suspect most other posters here will disagree with that, as the majority of them were complicit in creating broken families.

However, people don't "fight each other" for careers.  Most everyone will, at one point or another, find a job.  You're not really competing against other people for most of your life.  You are competing against yourself.

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we have an adversarial system of upbringing in this country to set one another off against each other when each other is the solution and not the problem.

In many ways we are still stuck with the 'yuck boys' or 'yuck girls' mentality that was prevelent when I was growing up in Primary School. Only problem is it never ended there but continued on into adulthood for most of the population. It's a feminist mentality that is the root cause of it and it's wreaking our society and lives very fast unfortunately.

LOL.  Yeah, it was so much better when b****es knew their place, right?

Look, you are lamenting a past that never truly existed.  In agrarian societies, women do the bulk of the work to survive.  In industrial societies, most women, and even children, worked for a pittance to survive.  Even in the "golden age" of a "family life" of women at home taking care of their husbands, it was only middle class women and those above who could be housewives.  Working class women never had that option.

IMHO, what is wrecking society is not feminism, but two things:

1.  The need for two salaries in order to survive.  This is caused by government policy, I believe.  More taxpayers means more money for government.  Most industrialized countries have rates of taxation (all levels, not just federal) that means that in the majority of families, both spouses have to work to make ends meet.

2.  Putting oneself ahead of others, the drive to self actualization before anything else, including a responsibility to a spouse or children.  That is not the sole domain of women, and never has been.

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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 22, 2020, 01:24:50 AM
You’ll love this video from Bill then Boe 😂


 :)


(This post was composed without the aid of google.)

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 22, 2020, 04:59:06 AM
Lol, in fact the man could and has complained that he is a slave under this arrangement. A bit like in the you tube video shown above here. The guy can be a wage slave bound to going out and bringing home the money day after day, relentlessly.

I'm not saying it is perfect but it's a hell of a lot better set up than we have at the moment. At the moment we have both genders fighting each other for careers and housing resulting in both losing out and a lot of bitterness and social problems.

I've even come across situations where a single mother says she doesn't need a man, only to later be complaining that she doesn't know how bro deal with a problem, write a letter in an effective way, etc. The answer is of course is to get a man who can deal with those problems, who has the skills the other is lacking in and vice versa.

It's really just a case of two parts of a jigsaw slotting together to make a better coherent whole. It's practical common sense thing to do and yet we have an adversarial system of upbringing in this country to set one another off against each other when each other is the solution and not the problem.

In many ways we are still stuck with the 'yuck boys' or 'yuck girls' mentality that was prevelent when I was growing up in Primary School. Only problem is it never ended there but continued on into adulthood for most of the population. It's a feminist mentality that is the root cause of it and it's wreaking our society and lives very fast unfortunately.

Lots more e-ink wasted ..

Answer this ( honestly)

Do you have a problem connecting with lasses - despite you claimed 'not bad looks' ..?


IF you answer was honest - ask yourself why


YOU 'blame' UK ladies 'attitudes' ... but a guy that can 'pull' a lady in the UK will 'pull' anywhere
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on January 22, 2020, 07:12:17 AM

Wow.  If he actually said that, it's incredibly misogynsitic.


He's a comedian and he was talking about the true story
about how his father wouldn't let his mother hug him because
it would make him gay.

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: fathertime on January 22, 2020, 07:48:18 AM

2.  Putting oneself ahead of others, the drive to self actualization before anything else, including a responsibility to a spouse or children.  That is not the sole domain of women, and never has been.
That is a really good point that I have never considered or seen before. 

Fathertime! 
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: GQBlues on January 22, 2020, 09:08:08 AM
...It's really just a case of two parts of a jigsaw slotting together to make a better coherent whole. It's practical common sense thing to do and yet we have an adversarial system of upbringing in this country to set one another off against each other when each other is the solution and not the problem.

Very good! Synergy - The Yin and the Yang! I agree with you.

Back in time not so long ago, the synergy between gender was understood. In time however, just as most other things that surround us, things *evolve*. Gender roles and expectation began to be challenged and started colliding. Mucking this up even more, gender and sexual identification, and the roles along with it, started taking roots. IMO, the difficulty (or difference) lies in how some of us coped and adjusted to these changes.

Solution? Find the one that share common belief as you. Compatibility. The Yang to your Yin.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Chelseaboy on January 22, 2020, 01:46:56 PM
Boethius,

               My parents were working-class ..my father worked as firstly a small grocers shop manager then as an odd-job man in a factory.

My mother stayed at home until I was 14,then did a couple of hours one night a week as a cleaner,then later worked for free in a charity shop to relieve her boredom once my brother reached 14 eleven years later.

They bought their own home and when they'd both died they left an additional £158,000 in cash.

They were married for 61 years before my mother died aged 78.

So It wasn't just middle-class women and above who could be housewives...many women were.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 22, 2020, 02:20:20 PM
Lots more e-ink wasted ..

Answer this ( honestly)

Do you have a problem connecting with lasses - despite you claimed 'not bad looks' ..?


IF you answer was honest - ask yourself why


YOU 'blame' UK ladies 'attitudes' ... but a guy that can 'pull' a lady in the UK will 'pull' anywhere

There might well be something in what you say Mobers I'll give you that. Yeah I reckon I probably do fall just a little short on the stuff you mention. I know guys that probably fall even shorter than me. End of the day we are born as we are.

The thing is the way society used to function women couldn't be too fussy, now they are, feminism has given them both cards in the pack. They see it as no longer needing men, rightly or wrongly. Before they pretty much 'had' to have a guy to provide a income to have a family. The guy 'had' to have a woman to both be able to have kids and usually to cook the food and do the domestic stuff - few other options existed back then after a tiring day at work.

This makes the task of finding a girl harder for the average or below average looks guy. It's possible to look out in the FSU which has less problems of the above but other problems can arise like understanding the culture, language, etc.

Every society can add or take away social apparatus that can make it easier or harder to find a relationship. Start removing, restricting or reducing the welfare state for example and all of a sudden girls who would happily go for a hot looking exciting chav guy will then consider guys that are average looking or less and not so exciting but can provide for them. Similarly a girl who hasn't got easy access to compete for careers with guys will consider guys who if they were in a career job they might not see as good enough.

It's all social engineering, the slightest change or tweak can be life changing and often beyond control of the person being affected. A lot of the time people fail to recognise that they are not shaping their destiny it is being shaped for them. They are just existing and knocking around in the social apparatus and what it allows them to be capable of and how it affects them.

The social apparatus in the UK at present just results in a lot of social degredation and poor outcomes for many people.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 22, 2020, 02:25:03 PM
Boethius,

               My parents were working-class ..my father worked as firstly a small grocers shop manager then as an odd-job man in a factory.

My mother stayed at home until I was 14,then did a couple of hours one night a week as a cleaner,then later worked for free in a charity shop to relieve her boredom once my brother reached 14 eleven years later.

They bought their own home and when they'd both died they left an additional £158,000 in cash.

They were married for 61 years before my mother died aged 78.

So It wasn't just middle-class women and above who could be housewives...many women were.

This is true, both my parents were working class. My father went out to work in various working class jobs over the years. After having children my mother largely stayed at home too. I reckon it can still be done today, in fact I'm pretty sure it can in the UK. If single mothers can do it, though most largely on benefit, then most could do it I believe.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Chelseaboy on January 22, 2020, 02:54:36 PM
Trench,

        I know a few young guys in their twenties where I live and they tell me it doesn't matter how chavvy a guy looks, if he has some "gear" he'll pull tons of girls.

I also know a guy in his sixties,often skint and who is nothing to look at, who regularly has good-looking women in their twenties and thirties staying round his small home.

The attraction ? He can get hold of some "gear".
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 22, 2020, 04:24:39 PM
Trench,

        I know a few young guys in their twenties where I live and they tell me it doesn't matter how chavvy a guy looks, if he has some "gear" he'll pull tons of girls.

I also know a guy in his sixties,often skint and who is nothing to look at, who regularly has good-looking women in their twenties and thirties staying round his small home.

The attraction ? He can get hold of some "gear".

I don't do drugs nor want anything to do with them. I don't see how it comes into having the sort of relationship I would like.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Chelseaboy on January 22, 2020, 04:47:52 PM
Nor do I..but it seems we're in the minority nowadays among the under 70's in the UK.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 22, 2020, 05:14:19 PM
Nor do I..but it seems we're in the minority nowadays among the under 70's in the UK.

Ah, indeed. From most of what I see or rather get wind off is weed. Often an infernal smell enough to put me of just from that. I can understand though people who take it whose lives are real bad to escape it all. Taken for purely recreation I have no sympathy for those lot.

It's a part of what I'm getting at that people are increasingly going onto drugs which themselves may cause long term mental health issues. Mostly I get the impression that life is getting more f*cked up for the majority. I see the lack of family ties and the family unit as it used to be for being responsible for this.

It used to be the small minority of the population in a bad state, now unfortunately it seems to be a rather large chunk of society. I just think we're making life incredibly hard on most of ourselves by carrying on down the route we seem to be presently stuck on.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 23, 2020, 05:42:14 AM
This is true, both my parents were working class. My father went out to work in various working class jobs over the years. After having children my mother largely stayed at home too. I reckon it can still be done today, in fact I'm pretty sure it can in the UK. If single mothers can do it, though most largely on benefit, then most could do it I believe.

So, Trench, you STILL think you can bring in a non EU bride and claim benefits ?

Good luck with her Residence / ILR application
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 23, 2020, 10:45:18 AM
So, Trench, you STILL think you can bring in a non EU bride and claim benefits ?

Good luck with her Residence / ILR application

I can claim benefits for myself and any of my children she can't. That though would not be a big deal/amount of money. Mainly though I would not be looking to rely on benefits I merely stated it as one way that some people on low pay can manage in this country. Not all are entirely dependent on benefit, some work but just need extra to top up if they have children for a while. I'm just saying the various ways the traditional family can work here.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 23, 2020, 01:01:27 PM
Many thanks for proving you haven't a 'Scoobie Doo' about No's no's ( Resorting to Public Funds ) re you or your mythical good lady from an Non-EU country..except in exceptional circumstances.

Boy, do you ever walk onto punches...
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 23, 2020, 02:08:16 PM
Many thanks for proving you haven't a 'Scoobie Doo' about No's no's ( Resorting to Public Funds ) re you or your mythical good lady from an Non-EU country..except in exceptional circumstances.

Boy, do you ever walk onto punches...

Ah, we're back to our 'Scoobie Doo's' are we Mobe, you know what that means :devilish:
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 23, 2020, 02:49:02 PM
Boethius,

               My parents were working-class ..my father worked as firstly a small grocers shop manager then as an odd-job man in a factory.

My mother stayed at home until I was 14,then did a couple of hours one night a week as a cleaner,then later worked for free in a charity shop to relieve her boredom once my brother reached 14 eleven years later.

They bought their own home and when they'd both died they left an additional £158,000 in cash.

They were married for 61 years before my mother died aged 78.

So It wasn't just middle-class women and above who could be housewives...many women were.


I was referring to women of the 1950's and earlier.  I doubt you were a child in the 1950's.


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 23, 2020, 02:52:04 PM
The thing is the way society used to function women couldn't be too fussy, now they are, feminism has given them both cards in the pack. They see it as no longer needing men, rightly or wrongly. Before they pretty much 'had' to have a guy to provide a income to have a family. The guy 'had' to have a woman to both be able to have kids and usually to cook the food and do the domestic stuff - few other options existed back then after a tiring day at work.

So women should just settle for any strange guy who possibly will beat her, come home drunk, spend money on booze, just because he's available? 

Your suppositions are ridiculous and demonstrate your misogyny over and over again.   

You've been to a country where women lack the "choices" they do in the UK, and you haven't been successful so far.  What does that tell you about your theories of the world?

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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: civi68 on January 24, 2020, 07:30:45 AM
I don't buy the idea that feminism made women not need men. It just enabled them not to have to be with a guy just to get out of their parent's home. But if men are hoping for a return to the days where a woman might have to consider a guy she is not attracted to just to have money, it doesn't happen often. Or if they do, they may not be faithful and go for the guy they really want on the side.
    If a woman is attracted to a guy, they will not act like they don't need him. They will act like they have been lonely for so long and how hard it was to find an attractive guy. I am sure everyone here has seen women that are standoffish to most men only to suddenly perk up when certain guys come around. They just act independent to keep men they don't want away.


Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 24, 2020, 08:33:14 AM
I disagree that older kids cost more ..

Please let me expand ! ..

If you and your wife worked - one income stream ceases or reduces in most cases


When kids are older - BOTH parents are free to work - while the kids are teenagers and are at school - and when they are University / 'College' age - they also free up both parents ...


When they are 16 they should be working part-time and understanding that they must contribute and earn 'pocket money' ..


So, I think older kids cost less


Oh, and GQB is spouting his usual bollox ...


Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Nightwish on January 24, 2020, 08:37:03 AM
I disagree that older kids cost more ..

Please let me expand ! ..

If you and your wife worked - one income stream ceases or reduces in most cases


When kids are older - BOTH parents are free to work - while the kids are teenagers and are at school - and when they are University / 'College' age - they also free up both parents ...


When they are 16 they should be working part-time and understanding that they must contribute and earn 'pocket money' ..


So, I think older kids cost less


Oh, and GQB is spouting his usual bollox ...

Well, you are - as usual - wrong..
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: GQBlues on January 24, 2020, 08:50:43 AM
Well, you are - as usual - wrong..


LMAO! Wait till you get wind of his *success in dating/relationship* advice....it's hysterical!
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 24, 2020, 12:07:34 PM
Well, you are - as usual - wrong..

'As usual'  :deadhorse:


THAT WAS funny ..  More truthful is that I thought it trough .. and had experience with three lots of teenagers

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 24, 2020, 12:09:31 PM
You'll note neither father of ( how many was it , GQB? ) and Nightwish had no 'counter' - just the usual drive-by troll !

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Nightwish on January 24, 2020, 01:24:19 PM
You'll note neither father of ( how many was it , GQB? ) and Nightwish had no 'counter' - just the usual drive-by troll !

All I noted was that you are wrong, again, this is starting to become a habit of yours, to always be wrong..

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 24, 2020, 01:43:50 PM
In my experience, kids cost the most from about 7 to 14.  Even if they don't have jobs thereafter, costs drop off after that.

Don't underestimate the costs for toddlers.  They need cribs, strollers, car seats, books, and clothing that they grow out of very quickly.

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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Gator on January 24, 2020, 02:41:45 PM
In my experience, kids cost the most from about 7 to 14.  Even if they don't have jobs thereafter, costs drop off after that.

I vote for university years.  Tuition, flat, auto, auto insurance.


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Don't underestimate the costs for toddlers.  They need cribs, strollers, car seats, books, and clothing that they grow out of very quickly.

That is why it is best to have lots of children, enabling "stuff" to be passed down and reused.   :D :D ;D

IMO the largest cost of toddlers was my time.  They came when I was also building a business.  Thank God their mother wanted to be a stay-at-home mom. 

Looking back, kids are expensive throughout their years, yet worth every penny (and every minute).  Infinite number of precious memories. 
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: John Gaunt on January 24, 2020, 02:42:35 PM
In my experience, kids cost the most from about 7 to 14.  Even if they don't have jobs thereafter, costs drop off after that.

Don't underestimate the costs for toddlers.  They need cribs, strollers, car seats, books, and clothing that they grow out of very quickly.

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I don’t think so.
The costs of young children can be mitigated by passing clothes around, same with car seats, strollers etc. It doesn’t take as much to satisfy their needs and wants.

With older children, they require adult sized clothing, shoes, appetites. They are fashion and brand conscious. Entertainment costs, travel costs, educational requirements, everything costs more, so, on balance, older children cost more.

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: pitbull on January 24, 2020, 03:39:46 PM
In my experience, kids cost the most from about 7 to 14.  Even if they don't have jobs thereafter, costs drop off after that.

Don't underestimate the costs for toddlers.  They need cribs, strollers, car seats, books, and clothing that they grow out of very quickly.

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So far the largest cost has been the childcare starting at 3 months and before school. A good nanny is very expensive but a life saver.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on January 24, 2020, 03:43:16 PM
In my experience, kids cost the most from about 7 to 14.  Even if they don't have jobs thereafter, costs drop off after that.

Don't underestimate the costs for toddlers.  They need cribs, strollers, car seats, books, and clothing that they grow out of very quickly.

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Toddlers require almost constant care and observation either
one of the parents or grandparents must do it or you have
to hire somebody to do it. During the care of toddlers are
the lost years of employment where you don't move up
the ladder, get raises or gain experience and responsibilities.

The 7 year olds and up require dentists, orthodontics, dancing
lessons, sports, swimming lessons, shuttle service all over the
place, photos, programs, costumes, science projects, uniforms, 
musical instruments and lessons, and a thousand other things.

People without a foreign wife or kids can debate the costs of
having them, but they don't have ANY credibility among those
of us who do.

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 24, 2020, 05:05:35 PM
I vote for university years.  Tuition, flat, auto, auto insurance.

Yes, tuition/cars/housing is expensive.  But, not all parents pay for this. 

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That is why it is best to have lots of children, enabling "stuff" to be passed down and reused.   :D :D ;D

There is only a year between our first and second, and 2 between the second and third.  No clothes sharing between the first two (girl/boy), and we needed two car seats, two cribs, different sets of toys.  The older one walked once her brother was born, so only one stroller.

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Looking back, kids are expensive throughout their years, yet worth every penny (and every minute).  Infinite number of precious memories.

I agree.

I don’t think so.
The costs of young children can be mitigated by passing clothes around, same with car seats, strollers etc. It doesn’t take as much to satisfy their needs and wants.

With older children, they require adult sized clothing, shoes, appetites. They are fashion and brand conscious. Entertainment costs, travel costs, educational requirements, everything costs more, so, on balance, older children cost more.

See above on my experience with toddler expenses.  Winter coats didn't always last for hand down to the third, just because of different birthdays/size differences, and I never handed down shoes or boots.  I didn't find a huge difference in food expenses over the years.

Our kids did wear very expensive jeans, but they only had a couple of pair per year, and could wear them for years. 

Toddlers require almost constant care and observation either one of the parents or grandparents must do it or you have to hire somebody to do it. During the care of toddlers are the lost years of employment where you don't move up the ladder, get raises or gain experience and responsibilities.

The 7 year olds and up require dentists, orthodontics, dancing lessons, sports, swimming lessons, shuttle service all over the place, photos, programs, costumes, science projects, uniforms, musical instruments and lessons, and a thousand other things.

People without a foreign wife or kids can debate the costs of having them, but they don't have ANY credibility among those of us who do.

Not all FSUW are stay at home mothers. 

I didn't factor in the economic cost of lost employment, although I believe that was one of moby's points.  If you factor that into the equation, then pre school aged children may be the most expensive.  pitbull's point is also considered here re childcare, although our family never used nannies/au pairs/daycare.

Even working mothers lose employment advancement when they have children.  I wasn't a stay at home mother, but our children were always in our care - either with my husband or me, and in my parents' care during the two hour overlap in our work schedules.  Had that care not been available, my husband would have found alternate employment.  But, I know that my advancement opportunities were affected by the fact I didn't want to go out and schmooze clients daily after work.  I still made a good living, but not the $700,000 and up some of my contemporaries made. The money was never worth the trade off to me.

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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: BillyB on January 24, 2020, 05:16:12 PM
I remember when reviewing how child support was calculated when I got divorced, it seems kids have more needs as they get older. More expensive clothes and toys like the latest iPhone. They eat more. They want a car and insurance. They want to go out and do activities that cost money. Playing sports and needing expensive gear could be one of those activities. Lord help the parents if their child has an expensive drug habit and steals from them and later needs expensive counseling and pay criminal fines. Young kids don't have many of those needs and problems. Chart in the article below shows costs continually go up as kids get older with the exception of ages 5-7 where it drops slightly. Source comes from USDA

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/business/wp/2017/01/10/its-more-expensive-than-ever-to-raise-a-child-in-the-u-s/
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on January 24, 2020, 06:07:21 PM
I vote for university years.  Tuition, flat, auto, auto insurance.

I've been fairly lucky there, I had a son who went ROTC Navy
and a son who paid his way. Smiley Girl is going to school in
University in Russia so it's pretty cheap. Maybe Minime is the
one who breaks the bank?


That is why it is best to have lots of children, enabling "stuff" to be passed down and reused.   :D :D ;D

Yeah, that must have been what my Dad figured. I was the oldest
of 6 kids, I didn't have any hand me downs except for the very brief
time I could wear his clothes. I went from 5-9 to 6-2 (175cm to 188cm)
in three months one year and my shoe size went from 9-13 that year.

I bought 90% of my own clothes by the time I was in high school.
My brother and sister did the same. 4-H animals, yardwork, neighbors
hired us, we always had jobs and paid for all our own stuff.

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: ML on January 24, 2020, 08:12:11 PM
Sorry (or happy) to say I don't remember much about cost of raising two children.

Probably as expenses went up, my earnings also went up, so didn't feel there were any problem years.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 25, 2020, 02:26:28 AM
All I noted was that you are wrong, again, this is starting to become a habit of yours, to always be wrong..

All I note is that you offer nothing in the form of a reasoned riposte !
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: GenMish on January 25, 2020, 08:00:26 AM
Time to throw in my 2 cents

Kids-They get most expensive at college time, I paid tuition. Hard to get ahead if you are 120k to 200k in the hole at graduation time. Least expensive and most fun, 7-12, costs go up after (like a car at 16)but they earn their keep with good grades and chorus. With a car, they can run errands too

Traditional Conservative Women- Sorry Trench, even sworn Tradcons will eventually become feminists when in its in their best interest. The woman you marry will change over the years

Feminism and Western culture- For many of us in my age group, Feminism was Shangri La, live in GFs with jobs helping with household costs, with no cost to get rid of them. Then when you want marriage and know what you want in a woman, fly to Russia and cherry pick a 10. I understand the latest wave of Feminism doesn't make it as easy right now. But overall, Feminism destroyed the African American Community by making single mother households the norm, and crushing birthrates for Whites. Not just in Western Countries, look at Russia with a 1.4 birthrate. I don't know what civilization collapse level is, but 1.4 seems like its getting closer
  I think also Feminism sold a phony bill of goods to many women. Women focused on their careers, and when their biological clocks were nearing midnight there were no takers. Next 40 years of life alone, 25 years in a cubicle pushing paper , with the best time of life is when the boss buys a Costco cake for afternoon snacktime
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 25, 2020, 12:10:51 PM
NOT if you're in Europe - the tertiary education is either free or the STUDENT borrows the tuition fees
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 25, 2020, 02:25:56 PM
Women focused on their careers, and when their biological clocks were nearing midnight there were no takers.


The median age for getting married in the US has increased from about 21 years before the feminist movement to 27.8 in 2018.  But, many of the latter brides will have lived with their fiances before marriage, something almost unheard of before the feminist movement.


The median age for the birth of a first child is 23.8 years for women without a college degree, 30.3 years for women with a degree or degrees.  It's a little higher (33 years) in some West and East coast cities, which I assume has to do with the cost of rasing children.  The overall average age of a first time mother in the US is 28, up 3.4 years from 1970. 


The number of childless women has increased 5% since 1970.  However, it is likely most of this is by choice, as, in 1970, such a choice was not really available to women.


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 25, 2020, 09:54:17 PM
The main point is that the more women that go out to compete with men in the workplace the less men that there are that satisfy their needs, i.e a guy that can support them and look strong (a successful man) by bringing in the money. Not only that but they are raising the bar in that the man must also earn similar or preferably more than they do yet at the same time not overdo it so much as to look like competition, especially if in a similar field to her.

The tradwife staying at home does away with all of these problems. She can of course work but does not so to be in competition with the very an she seeks.

Traditionally the female phycologically has always been about submission, generally speaking. The feminist movement runs contrary to this and it's caused nothing but problems in society with present society in a mess because of it, drugs & mental health problems now rampant in society. The trad wife movement could very well change society back for the better.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Patagonie on January 26, 2020, 05:47:28 AM
The main point is that the more women that go out to compete with men in the workplace the less men that there are that satisfy their needs, i.e a guy that can support them and look strong (a successful man) by bringing in the money. Not only that but they are raising the bar in that the man must also earn similar or preferably more than they do yet at the same time not overdo it so much as to look like competition, especially if in a similar field to her.

The tradwife staying at home does away with all of these problems. She can of course work but does not so to be in competition with the very an she seeks.

Traditionally the female phycologically has always been about submission, generally speaking. The feminist movement runs contrary to this and it's caused nothing but problems in society with present society in a mess because of it, drugs & mental health problems now rampant in society. The trad wife movement could very well change society back for the better.
 
   
"Traditionally the female phycologically has always been about submission, generally speaking"
Absolutely not 
Women and men want to achieve the same goal, but they do it in a different way accordingly to their nature, reread men come from Mars and women come from Venus of John Gray to understand the difference.
The only moment when we could speak technically about submission (and I don't like this word) is in the bed but this largely due to the different physcical features that God has given to the men and women. 
   
 
it's caused nothing but problems in society with present society in a mess because of it, drugs & mental health problems now rampant in society
Feminism had had many benefits, ALL drugs and mental problems couldn't be related to the feminism 
The raising of the feminism since the second world two has enlarged the workforce and improved the global gpd, and the most important it has corrected unacceptable inequalities, not compatibles with modern democraties. Since then feminism has turned into an other fight with very dubious reasons related to ensure them the power and nothing more to do with equality.   
 
 
"The main point is that the more women that go out to compete with men in the workplace the less men that there are that satisfy their needs"      
There are no such world where women have to satisfy needs of men Trench   
Trench I don't know what you are reading usually, but it's very mysogine and don't worth a penny, you need to raise your intellect to an other level because you will sooner rather than later be ejected by a lot of women, including FSU women, with such thinking. To tell you this in an other way, this type of thinking is going an other major obstacle in your mate searching journey.   
 
The only few words that make some sense are : true, when women raise their position in the workforce they generally tend to get men from a upper position in term of long term mating strategy. 
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: GenMish on January 26, 2020, 08:08:27 AM
Boe, your figure would include all women. My comment was about the last cohort of women that were indoctrinated with the latest version of feminism since they were 5 yrs old

I used Google as well...lets see
women born in 1946 9% Childless
women born in 1970 17% childless

 30 yr olds now with their clock ticking and about to freeze eggs

30-34 year old women 31% childless.

31% !  That figure includes Hispanics, Asians and Blacks. So the White number is higher. How many kids can a woman have after 35 if they find someone?

IMO- the number will go higher because Docs now regularly put teen girls on birth control as soon they start their periods. After 20 years of Birth Control, a woman's system doesn't recover in a huge number.

Women threw away their best years to have children, for what? A dead end job in a cubicle pushing papers and eating Costco cakes?


http://census.gov/newsroom/blogs/random-samplings/2017/05/childlessness_rises.html
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 27, 2020, 02:37:40 AM
Could it be I'm reading the ramblings of folks who think 'western' society will change because 'migrants' have higher birthrates because of feminism ?

 
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: GenMish on January 27, 2020, 06:06:12 AM
Could it be I'm reading the ramblings of folks who think 'western' society will change because 'migrants' have higher birthrates because of feminism ?

Society is in a constant state of change, and its worthwhile to study demographics and understand which way we are going. Trench saw an article, and thought society was going to reverse. My opinion is far different, despite the backlash a few women are giving feminism in that article.
  I would say the epidemic of single mothers is probably the biggest negative of feminism in the past 30 years. And it devastated the African American community.  The State offering money to single mothers doesn't cure the problem, because kids need fathers in their lives.

Its not that African American men don't want to be dads, rather 100% of the women want to sleep with the top  5% best looking guys and feminism gave them that opportunity. The jail population in the USA has an overwhelming disproportionate number of men raised in single mother households
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 27, 2020, 06:42:52 AM
Society is in a constant state of change, and its worthwhile to study demographics and understand which way we are going. Trench saw an article, and thought society was going to reverse. My opinion is far different, despite the backlash a few women are giving feminism in that article.
  I would say the epidemic of single mothers is probably the biggest negative of feminism in the past 30 years. And it devastated the African American community.  The State offering money to single mothers doesn't cure the problem, because kids need fathers in their lives.

Its not that African American men don't want to be dads, rather 100% of the women want to sleep with the top  5% best looking guys and feminism gave them that opportunity. The jail population in the USA has an overwhelming disproportionate number of men raised in single mother households

I'm not sure 'feminism; is solely or even the biggest cause of  older births ... / single Ma's ... Most guys in their sixties  - 0r older - grew up in family units that ended with the death of a parent ending the marriage.   Guys are getting married later, too ... THAT surely cannot be attributed to feminism ?

I MY case it was choice ...

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 29, 2020, 04:17:00 PM
Boe, your figure would include all women. My comment was about the last cohort of women that were indoctrinated with the latest version of feminism since they were 5 yrs old

I used Google as well...lets see
women born in 1946 9% Childless
women born in 1970 17% childless

 30 yr olds now with their clock ticking and about to freeze eggs

30-34 year old women 31% childless.

31% !  That figure includes Hispanics, Asians and Blacks. So the White number is higher. How many kids can a woman have after 35 if they find someone?

IMO- the number will go higher because Docs now regularly put teen girls on birth control as soon they start their periods. After 20 years of Birth Control, a woman's system doesn't recover in a huge number.

Women threw away their best years to have children, for what? A dead end job in a cubicle pushing papers and eating Costco cakes?

I didn't use google.  My figures were from prior reading in the NYT.

Women in dead end cubicle jobs pushing papers are not the ones delaying childbirth.  Typically, it is college educated women pursuing six figure salary careers that are the "feminists" delaying childbirth.

Birth control does not stop fertility later in life, although it may delay it for up to a year. 

You have not factored into your equation the number of women who choose to be childless, which is around 7% if memory serves me correctly.  Even now, being childless is frowned upon, but for women of my mother's generation (the one quoted in your statistics), remaining childless was not even an option.

Being 30-34 and childless is not a big deal.  Lots of women have their first child in that age range, or around 35 years of age.  I have an American cousin who had her first child after age 40.  She wasn't a "raging feminist" or trying to establish a career, although she did.  She just didn't find the man she was destined to marry until she turned 40.  She had long term relationships before then, and even accepted a proposal from one man, but she always felt something was missing until she met her now husband. 

Women now are having children in their forties.  Further, I don't think it is feminism that is delaying childbirth.  It is finding the right man.  Just as I can always tell which children are cared for by nannies, I can always tell which children come from broken homes.  Having a child is easily achieved.  Raising that child as the centre of a family, with the right partner, is much more difficult.  At least, if you love someone with all your heart and soul before making a baby, you know that you have a better chance of bringing a child into a family that is built on love.

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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 29, 2020, 06:45:14 PM
I didn't use google.  My figures were from prior reading in the NYT.

Women in dead end cubicle jobs pushing papers are not the ones delaying childbirth.  Typically, it is college educated women pursuing six figure salary careers that are the "feminists" delaying childbirth.

Birth control does not stop fertility later in life, although it may delay it for up to a year. 

You have not factored into your equation the number of women who choose to be childless, which is around 7% if memory serves me correctly.  Even now, being childless is frowned upon, but for women of my mother's generation (the one quoted in your statistics), remaining childless was not even an option.

Being 30-34 and childless is not a big deal.  Lots of women have their first child in that age range, or around 35 years of age.  I have an American cousin who had her first child after age 40.  She wasn't a "raging feminist" or trying to establish a career, although she did.  She just didn't find the man she was destined to marry until she turned 40.  She had long term relationships before then, and even accepted a proposal from one man, but she always felt something was missing until she met her now husband. 

Women now are having children in their forties.  Further, I don't think it is feminism that is delaying childbirth.  It is finding the right man.  Just as I can always tell which children are cared for by nannies, I can always tell which children come from broken homes.  Having a child is easily achieved.  Raising that child as the centre of a family, with the right partner, is much more difficult.  At least, if you love someone with all your heart and soul before making a baby, you know that you have a better chance of bringing a child into a family that is built on love.

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Possible to have a child around 40 or so but the odds of getting pregnant fall off alot around that age. Abnormalities may also increase as does the chance of miscarriage. It's a far from ideal situation and if the woman always wanted kids it's not regarded as advisable to leave it so late. Can be part of the wanting it all culture a lot of women are told they can have these days but without realising the potential consequences.

So how do you recognize the kids who have been raised by nannies or from broken homes?
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on January 29, 2020, 07:06:16 PM
.  Raising that child as the centre of a family, with the right partner, is much more difficult.  At least, if you love someone with all your heart and soul before making a baby, you know that you have a better chance of bringing a child into a family that is built on love.




I'd have agreed with you, but my first wife was emotionally all over the place during and after the birth of our first child and subsequent miscarriages to the extent that I simply stopped loving her...

I was racked with guilt for feeling that way and should have left her sooner, but then we would never have had our second child...




Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 29, 2020, 09:17:25 PM
Possible to have a child around 40 or so but the odds of getting pregnant fall off alot around that age. Abnormalities may also increase as does the chance of miscarriage. It's a far from ideal situation and if the woman always wanted kids it's not regarded as advisable to leave it so late. Can be part of the wanting it all culture a lot of women are told they can have these days but without realising the potential consequences.
Abnormalities also increase with fathers over 40.  That doesn't stop them from having children, does it?



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So how do you recognize the kids who have been raised by nannies or from broken homes?


Lots of things - too many to explain, and you wouldn't understand anyway.


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 29, 2020, 10:20:20 PM
Abnormalities also increase with fathers over 40.  That doesn't stop them from having children, does it?




Lots of things - too many to explain, and you wouldn't understand anyway.


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Men can't miscarry, etc do the risks can be less, still there but less. However again it is due to men & women slogging it out against each other for careers that push up the ages of both before or if they have kids. A younger age is of course better for both assuming it's not too young such as teenage years.

I know kids from broken homes can be a bit rowdy, problem type of personalities, I've not noticed this from those that have had nannies though I'm not sure using nannies is all that common over here. I don't know of any that have used nannies, short term child minders perhaps etc but not nannies.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on January 30, 2020, 12:09:02 AM
In the 1920's, it was the norm for women between 40 and 45 to bear children, usually the youngest in the family.

A woman over 40 has a higher chance of miscarriage, but that doesn't mean that all pregnant women over 40 miscarry.  Furthermore, we don't know if such miscarriages are the result of the woman's reproductive life, or her partner's (who typically is older - Any studies on over 40 women impregnanted by 20 something studs?), or, more likely, a combination of both.

Read this article, which discusses some misconceptions -

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/how-long-can-you-wait-to-have-a-baby/309374/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/how-long-can-you-wait-to-have-a-baby/309374/)


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 30, 2020, 12:22:12 PM
In the 1920's, it was the norm for women between 40 and 45 to bear children, usually the youngest in the family.

A woman over 40 has a higher chance of miscarriage, but that doesn't mean that all pregnant women over 40 miscarry.  Furthermore, we don't know if such miscarriages are the result of the woman's reproductive life, or her partner's (who typically is older - Any studies on over 40 women impregnanted by 20 something studs?), or, more likely, a combination of both.

Read this article, which discusses some misconceptions -

http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/how-long-can-you-wait-to-have-a-baby/309374/ (http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2013/07/how-long-can-you-wait-to-have-a-baby/309374/)


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That's quite surprising stuff Boe, it would certainly be an interesting concept to think about. Previously to date I had only scene and heard that women are pretty much done on the pregnancy thing by 40 ish, that although there was IVF type of stuff where you had much older women becoming pregnant that they were the exception rather than the rule.

That lady I met on the train going to Lviv that I seemed to get on well with but wasn't after a relationship was in her early forties. I had thought that was it for her (odds are she probably doesn't want one/thought so too) but if what this article says is true then older women may be worth more of a consideration. I tend to find they are more available in the FSU than the younger ones who I tend to get the impression have quite a number of guys after them.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on May 15, 2020, 12:29:17 PM
I don't buy the idea that feminism made women not need men.

1. Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access
to the mainstream of society.

2. Attractive and smart women have always been able to control the
events that surround them IF they know what they want otherwise they
control what they thought they wanted.

3. Women are women are women.

4. Certain women will only be attracted to bad boys. Steer clear of them.

5. Avoid romantic involvement with desperate women
(they tend to act desperately).

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on May 16, 2020, 01:38:25 AM
1. Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access
to the mainstream of society.

Did you make this up or read it 'somewhere' and foolishly think it had some validity ?

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 16, 2020, 01:53:31 AM
1. Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access
to the mainstream of society.

2. Attractive and smart women have always been able to control the
events that surround them IF they know what they want otherwise they
control what they thought they wanted.

3. Women are women are women.

4. Certain women will only be attracted to bad boys. Steer clear of them.

5. Avoid romantic involvement with desperate women
(they tend to act desperately).

1 & 2 are good points Bill and I think also relates to men to a degree also. Most men and women that are physically unattractive tend to be shunned for relationships and also socially as well. Some unattractive people may have great social skills that overcome this or have lifelong friends from a young age, hang out with other unattractive people, etc so it can be a bit of a generalisation. However, I think while there are only so many very attractive people, a minority of society there are also only so many unattractive people, another minority of society. Most of these unattractive people will not have great social lives & relationships and so will have time on their hands, a lot of that time will be spent on learning and Inn the workplace, careers.

To my mind the very unattractive have not necessarily been a problem so long as they don't go on a crusade to think all women should aim for careers and live the life they do, I think a lot of lesbians tend to think this way unfortunately. There have always been unattractive women that excelled as scientists locked away from society's view in a laboratory out the way somewhere, or as good lawyers spending long hours researching case files, etc, etc.

The main problem is that a lot of average looking women and even some prettier ones have been whipped up into going for a career when they needn't do and many thinking they can 'have it all'. They often are easily led to believe men are the opposition they need to beat to get these careers and hostility and conflict are easily stirred up in them. They are the ones though that are most likely to end up dissatisfied with the choice of male partners they end up with or that are available. They have elevated their social status beyond the level that their looks will allow them to have access to the men they want. They now want a guy of equal or higher social status to themselves and their average looks just won't cut it for those high status males who will instead go for the pretty women. The high status males don't need the money, they already get that! So a career girl is often not needed unless the guy struggles to get a pretty girl or the career girl is just a better fit, but this doesn't happen that much. Most high status males will go for the pretty girls as that is what most men are attracted to the most.

That then leaves the delicate equilibrium of society with a great imbalance all due to idiotic feminist thinking. Many people lose out and end up dissatisfied and yet western society still at large hasn't realised that the 'equality' so exposed by feminism is the wrong type of equality that is doing western society so much damage. It should really be equality adding up/being treated genderwise to the same roughly for each gender but not meaning each gender is the same. So average women would recognise that they have already got what they need in being able to get pregnant and allow men to go after the jobs relatively unopposed that they would look for those men to have.

Pretty women by contrast normally have rampant social lives and relationships to virtually any man so they tend to have little time for study or careers to input to excel unlike their unattractive counterparts.

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Shadow on May 16, 2020, 02:05:54 AM
Some of the most powerful women in history were not overly attractive, just ruthless enough to silence anyone who tried to mention that.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on May 16, 2020, 02:56:34 PM
1. Feminism was established so as to allow unattractive women access to the mainstream of society.


So unattractive women were not in the mainstream of society before the 1960's?  How do you explain Bette Davis? Eleanor Roosevelt?  Rosalind Franklin?  Mother Teresa? Grace Hopper? Coco Chanel?  Anna Akhmatova?

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2. Attractive and smart women have always been able to control the events that surround them IF they know what they want otherwise they control what they thought they wanted.


ROFL.  Sure.

I'm surprised that you agree with Trenchcoat.  Steering toward the "creepy" part of the equation vis a vis women?


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: mhr7 on May 16, 2020, 04:03:02 PM
2. Attractive and smart women have always been able to control the
events that surround them IF they know what they want.....

5. Avoid romantic involvement with desperate women
(they tend to act desperately).
2. Attractive and smart women have always been able to control the
events that surround them IF they know what they want.....

There's A LOT of truth to this.

http://www.amazon.com/Smart-Sexy-SA876-Womens/dp/B0723CQ4BQ

5. And, for God's sake, don't be a desperate man (they tend to act like idiots).
Title: Light at the end of the tunnel, Trench theories or Anna Karenina
Post by: 2tallbill on October 26, 2020, 01:09:52 PM
Here is a good place to write about your various theories.

When you think of something totally off topic in a thread, simply copy
and paste it here and comment on it here. Your ideas and theories are
sure to generate debate, here is a good place for that.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on October 26, 2020, 02:14:08 PM
5. And, for God's sake, don't be a desperate man (they tend to act like idiots).

Or doormats 

Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on October 26, 2020, 02:37:38 PM
I'm surprised that you agree with Trenchcoat.  Steering toward the "creepy" part of the equation vis a vis women?

I've dated almost exclusively very intelligent and educated women. I've actively avoided
desperate women and damaged women, (I'm not the Kenmore repairman). I don't think
that Trench would have success with the ladies that I tended to pursue, but I have been
totally wrong before about which lids ended up fitting on which pots.

What does a REAL MAN do to satisfy a woman during sex?
Nothing, real men don't care.

Please don't assume that my beliefs are reflected in the jokes I tell.

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on October 26, 2020, 03:08:20 PM
Bill was joking.  However, not meeting emotional, rather than physical needs, is the first way men get cheated on, at least, in long term relationships.


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: japtats on October 26, 2020, 03:12:55 PM
Lack of taking care of a woman's needs physically, is a sign of emotional neglect. I also think there is some truth in Bill's joke, some men do adopt this mentality.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 26, 2020, 03:15:28 PM
I've dated almost exclusively very intelligent and educated women. I've actively avoided
desperate women and damaged women, (I'm not the Kenmore repairman). I don't think
that Trench would have success with the ladies that I tended to pursue, but I have been
totally wrong before about which lids ended up fitting on which pots.

What does a REAL MAN do to satisfy a woman during sex?
Nothing, real men don't care.

Please don't assume that my beliefs are reflected in the jokes I tell.

I'm not that into very intelligent women, they tend to prattle on about stuff I already know about or is so detailed about something else that I do not care hearing about. A woman that is very intelligent and very beautiful could be a problem both to hold onto and for finding a guy that matches up. It's why if I had daughters the best I would hope for them would be beautiful/very beautiful and somewhere around reasonable intelligence or so. If they were very intelligent as well it could cause them trouble finding guys that they would be happy to date.

I think people that are probably happiest in life in terms of having easy dating are those not under par or over par but instead just better than average in general.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Trenchcoat on October 26, 2020, 03:17:32 PM
Anyway some thought to my idea here would be appreciated :)

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=24753.0
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on October 26, 2020, 03:20:54 PM
Lack of taking care of a woman's needs physically, is a sign of emotional neglect. I also think there is some truth in Bill's joke, some men do adopt this mentality.

You just proved you don't understand how the vast majority of women think. 

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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: BdHvA on October 26, 2020, 05:30:35 PM
I'm not that into very intelligent women, they tend to prattle on about stuff I already know about or is so detailed about something else that I do not care hearing about. A woman that is very intelligent and very beautiful could be a problem both to hold onto and for finding a guy that matches up.

I think people that are probably happiest in life in terms of having easy dating are those not under par or over par but instead just better than average in general.

Reading the above you admit you are lazy and unwilling to accommodate and learn from your spouse.

Truly sad.
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: japtats on October 27, 2020, 10:28:41 AM
You just proved you don't understand how the vast majority of women think. 

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What a person says and does is two different things , I had women breakdown because not only were their partners terrible in bed but also not active enough .

Biggest reasons for a divorce is money and sex . I know in FSU people love to talk about the soul . But it is all talk .I prefer less talk more action , something women now understand about me .


I remember my ex fiance had a bf after me , he talked about her never needing to cook , he will buy food , never need to worry , he will care for her financially , buy her a car etc , but after she moved in , he ordered her to cook for her , and was eating pot noodle , he was also terrible in bed (why she nearly had a breakdown in the start). He tried to dodge a 300 dollar medical bill. She cheated on him  , and so did his previous wife .

Moral of the story? He was great at talking. Would say he would go to the moon and back. Less talk about emotions , more valuing a woman's orgasm , protecting her , cooking for her , doing chores so she can sleep a bit extra .
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on October 27, 2020, 11:54:15 AM
Moral of the story is she sounds as big a "winner" as him.

Number 1 cause of divorce is money.  Number 2, as I noted previously, is lack of intimacy.  That goes way beyond sex.  But you don't get it, and perhaps never will.


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Title: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: 2tallbill on October 27, 2020, 01:07:28 PM
I'm not that into very intelligent women, they tend to prattle on about stuff

Find a girl that you like inside and out. Then they almost never prattle, they are having
actual conversations with you and you will enjoy them. If you don't talk to them in the
beginning middle and end then they will go to someone else who does.

The road to a girls heart starts with your ears.

Start having conversations with women, this is the key to your success. Few people are
good at this naturally in the beginning, but you have to do this. Not doing this will lead
to failure. You think you aren't good at it so you want to skip over this, but it doesn't
work that way.

Read Boe's comments about when she talks about intimacy. Read all my comments when
I talk about finding a good girl.

The cool thing is that the FSU has a zillion unmarried women. Find one and have a conversation
with her. If it isn't going swimmingly move on to another and another until you find one that you
enjoy talking with. Also you will get better at this as you go.

Stop trying to skip this step. You have to find a good girl that you enjoy talking
with or you will fail.

Lastly,

So many people have given you so much good advice that you've ignored or twisted somehow
to tell yourself that your way is doing it right. Let's make a list of stuff you don't want to do.

1. Talk or have conversations with girls
2. Work at making money more than the absolute minimum required
3. Restrict yourself to girls within 5 years of your age
4. Work out at the gym more than one day per week
5. Learn Russian
6. Accept any advice unless it conforms with numbers 1 through 5

Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: japtats on October 27, 2020, 01:21:07 PM
Moral of the story is she sounds as big a "winner" as him.

Number 1 cause of divorce is money.  Number 2, as I noted previously, is lack of intimacy.  That goes way beyond sex.  But you don't get it, and perhaps never will.


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Moral of the story , don't say you will do things that you won't do. Do more than what you say , lying to people brings bad karma , that is what you fail to understand . Bit of philosophy for you

I approach dating the same way , people say they will do what I want but don't , and I cut them out . Focusing on actions not words
Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on October 27, 2020, 01:34:14 PM
He did what he wanted to manipulate her, she probably manipulated him as well.  So there is no "lying" moral in your story.


As the better half says (paraphrasing the Bible), when two clay creatures come together, the inevitable result is dust.


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: Boethius on October 27, 2020, 01:51:32 PM
"clay creatures" are not necessarily bad.  They just put emphasis on the wrong things.  The girl in this case put emphasis on the wrong things as well. 


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Title: Re: Light at the end of the tunnel for saving Western Society
Post by: msmob on November 08, 2020, 05:16:48 AM
First way to get cheated on, and a woman to walk away with a  tidy divorce settlement,.

What? You honestly think you are a sex god?

If that were the only criteria you would be happily married with several kids by now...based on your advice on what women want...

In my time, I have seen off richer, younger suitors and do not try to suggest I am an 'alfa male' (spelling deliberate)..