What's the latest?

[Trenchcoat]

Just thought this thread topic could be good for forum members to post brief updates as to what they are up to or what's going on in their life that doesn't really need a whole thread for itself. Stuff that may be FSU related or not quite so. Anything that you feel you want to air really, nothing directly politics related though of course unless a FSU element to it.


I'll start Ok so yesterday I started using some of my spare time while I was at a loose end going through my bookmarks in my Dating folder that I created a few years a go to save all possible dating sources that could be useful for FSU Dating. As could be expected the odd one or two linked to no longer active internet sites. One though did link through but the website had changed a lot! It was the link to the vRoosh Forum. It's now totally different there, all content on 'game' and picking up women had gone. In all honesty I didn't visit it a lot as it was more for the sex tourist than western men interested in a long term relationship, marriage, family, etc. It did however have the occasional useful bit if info or interesting story pop up that could be of interest to either group.

Well that's all gone now, all deleted I assume. I don't know where the members would have gone off too if anywhere else for them as it's now gone completely religious! I mean virtually everything is religious in content so a totally different outlook completely really. Of course we knew that Roosh had converted to being deep into the God path but last time I looked the site still had a bit of the original stuff along with his move to God. Anyway, the site as it has become is now of next to no real use to anyone pursuing any type of relationship abroad. I personally don't know where the guy is heading with it all maybe the priesthood or something. I read little off the site most of it just from he titles I could just see wouldn't be vaguely up my street too much religious context for my liking.

So as a kind off perculiar twist a guy & source that had made a great contribution too the understanding of dating FSW was now in a different field completely and not one of interest to me. I definitely felt though that Roosh is genuinely into the God stuff, I don't think he would do all of that writing and effort on his website if he was just trying to rehabilitate his reputation. From the little I did read he now seems to think that women pose a danger to him straying back into his old ways. I think the guy had taken his loss hard as might be expected but he now seems kind of trapped between his original disliking of feminists and on the other hand a discomfort with getting intimate or even close with women. I personally don't think he will make any progress with this new route he is on as I think he needs counselling more than anything.

Anyway, that bookmark resource no longer being off any use to me hit the trash right after. All the good sections of the forum on 'game' and anything related to dating, completely gone, a real shame really but there you are.

Today I've been sorting out my news apps/feeds, just trying to get rid off all the feminist news stuff on there. That's not an easy task as many news apps etc don't let you customise a lot and finding the best option takes a bit of time sorting it out. I think I've done it as best as possible though so hopefully will avoid a lot of the feminist talk that now seems to dominate the news here in the UK especially since that Police Officer was arrested over the disappearance to that woman. Also all the royal Harry & Megan talk is becoming unbearable, I have no interest in the royal family so I have no interest in constantly hearing them banging on about it, I kind of prefer to hear about news that may be relevant to what I'm doing.

That kind of brings me onto my feelings over feminism over the last few days. Well feminism has been getting on my nerves more & more of late. Honestly, I feel it may be getting the worst it has been EVER. Not only news reports are getting increasingly ridiculous over what feminists want - curfews for all men in the UK before 6pm lol, more laws to protect women from men who just don't consider the law when they commit their acts/crimes, etc - but I get the feeling that feminism is getting more ingrained in both men & women in western society to the detriment of themselves. I get the feeling that it's a lost cause as too many people have been indoctrinated into feminist dribble and values, many from an early age. Anyway it's all making me crave East European Patriarchal society even more. Part of me wants to live there away from all the feminist bs in a male paradise the other part of me knows that a lot of my life is UK based so kind of in between two posts on that one so a real quandary.

[Patagonie]

This is what Aljazeera wrote about this case:
"The case coincidentally coincided with the publication of a report by UN Women UK that showed virtually all young women in the UK have been subjected to sexual harassment.

The group’s report was based on a survey of more than 1,000 women nationwide, which saw 97 percent of women aged 18-24 say they had been sexually harassed."
Of course, this is ridiculous. It all depends on what is the definition of "sexually harassed". 

In media, universities, and justice, feminists are overrepresented, and you shouldn't fall into the trap, of course, that there is real truth in the media. 

   

I have found that many guys have gone MGTOW, and the community is getting bigger and bigger, and maybe a lot come from the young generation while the oldest went the same, at least through the red pill. 

The manosphere had only a few FSU specialists among the forum. Unfortunately, roosh was banning a lot of writers anytime for any reason. So among those guys, half stopped to write because they had been evicted.   

That was the only thing interesting because Trench, the site's owner, was a fucking idiot. He has never been a pua, has never mastered the game. He had been caught in a Ukrainian TV show lying about his conquests, and they were in the studio but declared in front of the camera to have never met this man. He also never understood how to date FSU women considering the time he spent there. His grasp of Russian was not related to the culture. 

The forum was concentrating on a lot of hate, frustrated men, and his value was low.  (but yes, this is something that western societies want to ignore, only women have the right to express their concern).

And this hate towards men, this global ideology of this "healthy" misandry, is participating in the fall of western society.

To understand more with the historian Arnoyld Toynbee:   
   

[Trenchcoat]

This is what Aljazeera wrote about this case:
"The case coincidentally coincided with the publication of a report by UN Women UK that showed virtually all young women in the UK have been subjected to sexual harassment.

The group’s report was based on a survey of more than 1,000 women nationwide, which saw 97 percent of women aged 18-24 say they had been sexually harassed."
Of course, this is ridiculous. It all depends on what is the definition of "sexually harassed". 

In media, universities, and justice, feminists are overrepresented, and you shouldn't fall into the trap, of course, that there is real truth in the media. 

   

I have found that many guys have gone MGTOW, and the community is getting bigger and bigger, and maybe a lot come from the young generation while the oldest went the same, at least through the red pill. 

The manosphere had only a few FSU specialists among the forum. Unfortunately, roosh was banning a lot of writers anytime for any reason. So among those guys, half stopped to write because they had been evicted.   

That was the only thing interesting because Trench, the site's owner, was a fucking idiot. He has never been a pua, has never mastered the game. He had been caught in a Ukrainian TV show lying about his conquests, and they were in the studio but declared in front of the camera to have never met this man. He also never understood how to date FSU women considering the time he spent there. His grasp of Russian was not related to the culture. 

The forum was concentrating on a lot of hate, frustrated men, and his value was low.  (but yes, this is something that western societies want to ignore, only women have the right to express their concern).

And this hate towards men, this global ideology of this "healthy" misandry, is participating in the fall of western society.

To understand more with the historian Arnoyld Toynbee:   
   

Yeah that report on make harassment was funny lol. I'm guessing they had no fat and/or ugly girls in their survey sample, if they did then those fat/ugly girls would clearly be lieing

I think too that feminism will end up destroying western society as we've known it. To my mind it's all about women wanting to grab more out of the man's domain. The more they grab the more they screw up society, themselves, the men, everyone, we all lose if it goes far enough. I myself no longer bother to compete for career jobs with women it's a dead end as both lose out with low pay, more workload hence stress etc. There's no common sense in it if you stand back and look at what you're getting in pay to what you have to do for nearly all career jobs. Better to get a job that is just a job and not a career job and set up your own venture even if just renting out property. I wouldn't go looking for a girl here, if the right one came up fine but I would rather look abroad and avoid feminist women that wish to take it all off me in a sham marriage out of resentment of what I have.

Anyway, I kind of noticed a bit what you say about the old Roosh forum. I kind of got the impression that if he didn't take to you then you're stay could be pretty short lol. I didn't know about the Ukraine interview thing so thank you for that it's handy info to know. Kind of funny that none of the girl's even knew who he was. There probably is some bull on that front as it never really quite added up that he was apparently getting it on with all these women yet remained unmarried in his Mother's basement. I think some of the stuff like the restaurant stuff was true but he probably heard that off other guys out there and of course even with that there are no guarantees or even anything compelling the woman to get with you after.

I myself much prefer the way relations are between man and women in Ukraine it's far more practical. If a guy can hold down a job, provide an income, is all together enough and his looks don't offend a girl then the girl is often willing to give him a go, not talking of model looking girls here but everyday ones. There's a mutual interest in getting together and seeing how each other are and then taking things from there or choosing to go off and date someone else not in a playboy sense but with a view to possibly/potentially forming a relationship to become a family. It's a far more down to earth dating world which I think works better I think.

[Chelseaboy]

I was on a football fans forum earlier today ..and some leftie bloke from Leeds was saying all us men on the forum should be treating women with more respect,because of the Sarah Everard case, and should also be telling all our male friends to do the same...as if we're all abusing women .


I asked him that seeing domestic abuse from women toward men in the UK was growing,would he be asking all his women friends to show the same respect toward their men.


Silence was the reply..surprise surprise.

[Shadow]

My oldest son is hospitalized with an asthma attack. This hospital badly needs more diversity. 80% of the employees are female, and apart from one Belgian doctor all are Dutch and white.

[BillyB]

This is what Aljazeera wrote about this case:
"The case coincidentally coincided with the publication of a report by UN Women UK that showed virtually all young women in the UK have been subjected to sexual harassment.

It's part of their plan to pit women against men, young against old, black against white, etc....  Soon they'll tell men if you look at a women because you're physically attracted to her, it's sexual harassment and it could cost them their jobs and result in jail time. Yesterday my male dog went behind a female dog and sniffed her. Then he licked her pussy. Is that sexual harassment or assault? In the world of dogs, that is considered normal behavior. In the world of humans, they are trying to change what is normal into criminal activity.

[ML]

Soon they'll tell men if you look at a women because you're physically attracted to her, it's sexual harassment and it could cost them their jobs and result in jail time.

Even 30 or more years ago, I was doing consulting work for a very large firm.
There was a mandated meeting, which I wasn't subject to, but I went anyway just to see what was going on.

A female attorney lectured the men present (no women were there) about sexual harassment.

I remember she told something about a 'three second rule.'

i.e.  We could ogle a woman for up to 3 seconds; beyond that, we could be in trouble.

[Boethius]

Have any of you changed your behaviour because you are afraid that you will be attacked physically?  Have any of you been catcalled on the street?   Followed on the subway?  Been concerned that a man will overpower you and rape you?  Have you ever had a man in a car attempt to follow you while you were driving?  Sometimes, more than one man?  Have you had to change jobs because your married boss keeps hitting on you, and won't take no for an answer?

I've had all but the last one happen to me when I was young (a friend of mine left two position she loved because of bosses who would not take no for an answer - she was exceptionally beautiful).  Now, thank goodness, I'm old and don't have to worry about that crap.  But, my daughter now experiences the joys of unwanted male attention.  She's been followed home while living across the country, and rarely takes a subway ride without some guy, usually 20 years older than her, hitting on her. 

Until you have experienced these things, from women you do not deem desirable, you can blame feminism or whatever you wish.  But it's a false narrative, often borne of a fear of strong women who don't need you (as opposed to want you).

[2tallbill]

and some leftie bloke from Leeds was saying all us men on the forum should be treating
women with more respect,because of the Sarah Everard case, and should also be telling
all our male friends to do the same...as if we're all abusing women .

There have always been lefty Beta Boys, but back when I was in school/uni they
were far fewer and as an Student/Athlete we rarely crossed paths since 0% of
them were athletes.

The Beta boys have a larger presence now only because of the internet. It's far
easier to talk tough when you have a zero chance of getting punched in the nose.

Even I, the epitome of bonhomie and camaraderie was less of an ass back when
I knew that my nose might have to pay for the words that came out of my mouth.

[2tallbill]

Have any of you changed your behaviour because you are afraid that you will be attacked physically? 
Have any of you been catcalled on the street?   Followed on the subway?  Been concerned that a man
will overpower you and rape you?  Have you ever had a man in a car attempt to follow you while you
were driving?  Sometimes, more than one man?  Have you had to change jobs because your married
boss keeps hitting on you, and won't take no for an answer?

Until you have experienced these things, from women you do not deem desirable, you can blame
feminism or whatever you wish.  But it's a false narrative, often borne of a fear of strong women
who don't need you (as opposed to want you).

I've never done any of the things to a woman that you've mentioned.

The problem with feminists is that they want me to pay because somebody
else is a F#ck Head. It's the preacher complaining to the choir about those
who don't go to church.

[Boethius]

I disagree with you, Bill.  I think feminists want to bring attention to these issues.  I think it's even worse now than when we were young, because of social media and pervasive porn.


On a separate note, I think Trench's obsession with feminism is because it is easier to blame an outside force for one's own personal failings, rather than look inside and change your own negative traits.

[BillyB]

Have any of you changed your behaviour because you are afraid that you will be attacked physically?  Have any of you been catcalled on the street?   Followed on the subway?  Been concerned that a man will overpower you and rape you?  Have you ever had a man in a car attempt to follow you while you were driving?  Sometimes, more than one man?  Have you had to change jobs because your married boss keeps hitting on you, and won't take no for an answer?

That is not normal human behavior. Normal mentally stable males wouldn't do that stuff. Stalking and sexual harassment in the workplace is illegal and we have laws against that. What is going on now is Feminists are trying to change what is considered normal human behavior among normal males making it illegal.

[Patagonie]

It's part of their plan to pit women against men, young against old, black against white, etc....  Soon they'll tell men if you look at a women because you're physically attracted to her, it's sexual harassment and it could cost them their jobs and result in jail time. Yesterday my male dog went behind a female dog and sniffed her. Then he licked her pussy. Is that sexual harassment or assault? In the world of dogs, that is considered normal behavior. In the world of humans, they are trying to change what is normal into criminal activity.

 
+5

[GQBlues]

I have had more than a few women hoot and howler at me, stalked me, seduced me, harassed me, sexually abused me, even wined and dined me just to get me in bed....I think I may have been raped at least half a dozen times.


It was of kind fun actually and loved every minute of it (oh to be young again). Never once did I ever think of suing anyone. Maybe I should now, I think. These are why I'm nuts about independent, assertive, strong women who knows and understand their conviction/right, then just goes out there and get what they 'want'.


To quote: "...The purpose of life is to live it, to taste it, to experience to the utmost, to reach out eagerly and without fear for newer and richer experience…”

Maybe because of these experiences I never really had the time, or especially the reason or need, to do to them that which they do to me. After all, this world was never really meant to be fair.

[Chelseaboy]

Here's something for the feminists to ponder....and it's totally true.


My ex-wife is from South-east Asia...another country that automatically assumes women are in the right and men are in the wrong in cases of sexual misconduct.


My wife had a younger brother..17 years old.I met him on a couple of occasions and although we couldn't talk because he didn't speak any English his face lit up with real warmth when we did meet-up.You know when you can sense when someone has a good heart ?


So my then wife and i are back in England,when we receive terrible news that he'd been accused of rape,and rather than have the shame of going to court and then prison,as he knew he had no chance of being found not guilty, because in his country the courts always believe the women in these cases...he drank a bottle of weed-killer : (


It took him a week to die...and we were unable to get flights back in time before then.


We were there for the funeral and the accusing girl turned-up and admitted she'd lied and that she did it because he had rejected her demands to be in a relationship with her.


You never get told these kind of things are happening by our feminist media though.

[GQBlues]

That's a real sad story about your BIL, Chelseaboy. There are also more than a few stories like that where women abused their gender status and have taken more than abusive stance against men whether physically ,mentally, or worse, emotionally.


But I also cannot deny there are sickos amongst men when it comes to abuse and harassment against women on many fronts. I don't think anyone of us can. I've seen these transgressions even amongst my friends before, especially when it is mixed with alcohol.


What I will say however, like racism, the pendulum had swung way beyond where you now are at a realm where society is starting to practice what it tried to right/abolish, clear on the other end of the spectrum. Women have always been as notorious, maybe not in the sense of masculinity, in advancing their purpose sexually. Dare I say even more extreme than men I know at times. Trust me when I say this, women are far more prone to infidelities than men. That, IME, is fact.

[Gator]

Chelsea, that is indeed sad.  All of us have been though a long stretch of stress and uncertainty because of the pandemic, and your former family had to endure even more. 
 
My "latest" is not about sexual harassment.  It is not sad either.  In fact, believe it or not, it is better than sex (IMO, maybe not yours)!   

Because of the pandemic, I have been playing much golf.  This past weekend my partner and I won the Club's Three-Day Annual Member-Member Tournament , defeating 47 other two-man teams.   

We swept our flight, thereby qualifying for the four-hole elimination playoff to determine the tourney champion.   Playoff started  with 10 teams, alternate shot format in front of many spectators.  My partner and I went birdie-par-par-par to be the last team standing. 

The third hole was a miracle, requiring me to can a 15' sidehill putt.  The closest I came to harassment was unintentionally and luckily hitting a female spectator's cart on that third hole with my ball violently  hooked around a rock.   

There is a slight FSU angle to this story.  I brought home the large silver trophy, and placed it next to an identical "major" trophy from winning the Member-Guest two years earlier.  My Russian wife was impressed, so much that she now wants golf lessons.    This pandemic and other issues have hit her harder than me for the past two years.  Maybe golfing will help her.

[BillyB]

A guy who works for me dated a 911 operator. She said 2/3rds of all domestic violence is caused by the woman. I asked how she knew this. While a caller hears the phone ringing, a 911 operator is actually listening on the other end. Sometimes she'll hear the woman say "I'm throwing your ass in jail tonight". After the 911 operator speaks, the woman starts crying saying she got beat up.


Because of every new law(written by feminists) being tilted in favor of women, some guys I know will never get married again after one or a few bad experiences. They will have fun with women but they will never commit and live with a woman again. In the quest to achieve 100% justice for women, the institution of family is getting destroyed. Starting in 2014 in America, the number of adults who are single outnumber the number of adults that are married. This tilt towards more people not wanting to make a commitment continues. There are plenty of guys out there that will love and protect their woman. Some women aren't lucky enough to find one or they aren't smart enough to make a good pick in a man. All men shouldn't be punished for the faults of a few men.

[Patagonie]

A survey initiated by the feminists for all the EU was asking among many questions:
Who was violent in your family? A/ your father B/ your mother.
 
The results: half was ticking A/ and half was ticking B/

[ML]

I've had all but the last one happen to me when I was young (a friend of mine left two position she loved because of bosses who would not take no for an answer - she was exceptionally beautiful). 

As told to me by a gal I went on 3 dates with in Kyiv.  She was one of best looking in face and best body I had spent time with; except her breasts were too large for my desires:

She took a new job with a large commercial construction firm in Kyiv that had a lot of insider connections in the then government; hence it was very profitable and growing.

She had a well paying job as senior secretary/administrative assistant and was deemed especially important because of her very good English ability.  She was able to translate the most modern and up to date construction materials lists, etc., from English into Ukrainian or Russian.

She noted that the CEO looked at her a lot, particularly when she walked up and down halls where her body was on full display.  And he asked her more frequently than was necessary to come into his office to deliver documents, etc. where he flirted seriously with her.  She wanted to keep her job, but did not want to risk an employee/lover relationship.

Her solution ?

She proposed that the company hire one of her very attractive girlfriends.  She knew this girlfriend would be receptive to overtures from  the CEO.  It worked.

Our story:  I decided that another woman was the one I would concentrate on during this trip.  I told this woman of my decision.  She replied (nicely) that it was for the best, because she was already filling out fiancée papers with another American man !!  I had just happened to come along and fill a Plan B slot.

[Trenchcoat]

A survey initiated by the feminists for all the EU was asking among many questions:
Who was violent in your family? A/ your father B/ your mother.
 
The results: half was ticking A/ and half was ticking B/

That's probably about right, it's likely down to genetics so the violent gene will out of probability turn up roughly equally in both men and women. Some men of course have greater capacity to wield it if well built but some women can be well built also or use weapons and get extremely aggressive also.

I think a lot of men don't report females that are violent/aggressive for all sorts of reasons, unmanly, kids, etc. Some females that are just slightly/ occasionally aggressive to be honest I find can be quite hot, kind of like their hormones oozing out.

[ML]

Now, thank goodness, I'm old and don't have to worry about that crap.  But, my daughter now experiences the joys of unwanted male attention.  She's been followed home while living across the country, and rarely takes a subway ride without some guy, usually 20 years older than her, hitting on her. 

I mentioned before here that my spouse said she didn't really have bad experiences with men hitting on her.  In response to that; Boe mentioned how my wife was over age of 50, so would not experience such.

However, my wife was referring to her entire life, not just above age 50.  We talked about this again over breakfast this morning.

It turned out there is a distinction between being 'hit on' and 'bad experiences.'

Instances:

1) She told that several men in her workplace over the years had flirted seriously with her and suggested romantic liaisons.  She had told them all firmly and kindly that she would not participate, and managed to remain friends with all of them.

2) She often rode train between Kyiv and her parent's home to west of Kyiv.  On many occasions she talked in friendly manner with stranger men who were riding on same train.  On two occasions, two different men proposed marriage to her during the train ride.  This despite her wedding ring.  She told that she was married; and both men replied they would wait for her to have divorce, etc.  She merely smiled and told them not to wait forever.  The train ride continued without event, and she never felt threatened.

3) She and two female friends in early 30s (all married) once took a trip to a foreign city for shopping and site seeing.  One day, upon returning to their hotel, a nice looking well dressed man approached and asked if he could talk to her. 
She agreed and sat down in the lobby.  He told that he had seen her a couple of times, was very attracted to her, and had waited all day in the lobby to be sure to see her when she returned.  She immediately told him that she was happily married.  But he continued by telling her how he could make her very happy as his wife.  He told of his ownership of a medium sized, growing and profitable firm, could buy her any house she wanted, a new car, provide generous spending money, etc.  She thanked him nicely for his offer, declined and went to her room without further incident.

4) Another case was not initiated by men, but rather by the mother of a man !!!
And older woman was hired into her firm.  She and this woman quickly became very good friends, spent time together in break room, etc.  At some point, this woman said she would be the perfect wife for her son and hoped she would divorce and marry her son.  The woman repeated this several times over some months.

Anyway, wife said she never felt harassed or threatened, or that these were 'bad experiences.'

[2tallbill]

I disagree with you, Bill.  I think feminists want to bring attention to these issues.  I
think it's even worse now than when we were young, because of social media and
pervasive porn.

The problem that most feminists have is that the leaders are way more radical
than they are and then they get painted with the same brush.

You and most feminists aren't the man hating wackos that get put into positions
of power or to speak in public about feminism.

On a separate note, I think Trench's obsession with feminism is because it is easier to
blame an outside force for one's own personal failings, rather than look inside and
change your own negative traits.

Trench is Trench. He has more excuses than a Russian woman who doesn't want
to date you. He can list 45 reasons (all of them wrong) why he doesn't want to
make more money.

He can list 30 reasons why he didn't study any Russian this week even though
he claims that he wants to learn it. He can enumerate 20 reasons why he didn't
go to the gym 5 days this week even though he desires to be fit.

He can also twist anything to fit his narrative.

[Boethius]

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=25106.msg553389#msg553389

The reason I mentioned your wife's age is because the boorish type of behaviour doesn't happen in Ukraine or Russia, so I was referring to her life in the U.S.  Part of it is due to the attitude toward women.  Men will flirt, but it isn't aggressive, or scary, the way it can be here.  I can't speak for now, but before the collapse of the USSR, women could walk anywhere in Kyiv at any time, and it was safe.  I couldn't say that about my city in the same period.

The problem that most feminists have is that the leaders are way more radical than they are and then they get painted with the same brush.

I think most feminist leaders right now are concerned, primarily, with pay inequity.  I don't follow feminist thought particularly closely, but that's what I see mentioned most. In the U.K., the most pressing issue for feminists, according to social media, seems to be transwomen overtaking female spaces.

[Trenchcoat]

On a separate note, I think Trench's obsession with feminism is because it is easier to blame an outside force for one's own personal failings, rather than look inside and change your own negative traits.

The outside force 'feminism' is to blame but also are my own 'personal failings'.

People have 'personal failings' some more than others. None of us are genetically engineered to avoid these. If we have avoided all personal failings then it is out of good luck more than anything. A personal failing could be a choice or it could be something we were born with.

The problem is, is that feminism screws guys over who have personal failings. Before in the past most guys main attraction to females was their ability to provide for her. Assuming he could hold down a full time job it didn't matter what his other personal failings were, most of the time she didn't see him much for it to bother her as he was at work a lot of the time. Only if a guy was real bad would he risk getting past over. So say if a guy was ugly, not good socially, a bit slow and in a low paid job then maybe he wouldn't get a girl.

Today though as women can earn as much as men and are in competition with them in the workplace that massively alters the equation. Today you can be an average guy with just one personal failing and be seen as not good enough for the girl. Even an average guy with no personal failings other than just scoring average on every level so it not being enough.

So the problem is that feminism screws it up for both genders. Women can't find what the want and men can't be what they need and everyone goes home unhappy. In the FSU though they still use the traditional way and it makes it a lot easier for everyone.