Wedding Canceled

[SANDRO43]

OTOH - I won't spend more than a few hundred dollars.

So you'll give her a zircon engagement ring, at best .

[ECOCKS]

I think the moral lesson to be garnered from this discussion is:

NEVER EVER GIVE A DIAMOND ENGAGEMENT RING TO A FSUW 

Because:
1. FSUW do not appreciate its sentimental value but, on the other hand,
2. They, like any other W, do appreciate its $/€ value .

I hate all absolutes.   

If you want to give an engagement ring, do so. Yes, it isn't their custom but if it is yours, honor it if you feel the need. Have a conversation explaining why you are giving it to her and be sure you consider her POV. After al, if she is the type being talked about you're getting a clue as to the viability of the marriage.

Whether you get engaged to a UW, RW, AW, goat, latina or whatever, you may not get it back. Plan accordingly and acept the consequences.

Good Luck!

[dobradavid]

So you'll give her a zircon engagement ring, at best .

I did not write that - you may be confusing me with yourself. 

[viking]

When I became engaged, I gave her a very nice but inexpensive necklace as a gift with the understanding we would buy a ring together a few days later. I few days later, after she had picked out a ring for which she refused to upgrade regardless of my insistence, I had to put out a total of $78. Thats USD. A zircon would have more expensive.

[Boethius]

If you're going to spend a "few hundred dollars", you will not be buying a quality diamond, be it in the US, Ukraine, or Russia. 

My suggestion in each case is to let the woman choose the ring herself.

[ECOCKS]

Boethius' suggestion has merit for some. As for me, I was raised in the tradition that the guy picks the ring and offers it sight unseen. Any woman who accepts or rejects based upon the ring isn't someone worth the effort - IMO.

[Ade]

If you're going to spend a "few hundred dollars", you will not be buying a quality diamond, be it in the US, Ukraine, or Russia. 

My suggestion in each case is to let the woman choose the ring herself.

From what I've read of this guy his interests lay more with ensuring his wife doesn't have access to his assets rather than giving her a quality ring.

[Boethius]

From what I've read of this guy his interests lay more with ensuring his wife doesn't have access to his assets rather than giving her a quality ring.

LOL.

As for me, I was raised in the tradition that the guy picks the ring and offers it sight unseen. Any woman who accepts or rejects based upon the ring isn't someone worth the effort - IMO.

Ed, while I understand and respect your point, it is a romantic position, rather than one borne of practicality.  Taste is very subjective.  Do you want a woman to lie to you and tell you she loves a ring she doesn't?  A woman who loves you loves the idea of you buying the ring, but she should be free to tell you it isn't her taste.

For the record, I didn't get an engagement ring from my Kyiyanin.  He did choose my wedding band, though.  But, I'm not much of a jewelery person.

[SANDRO43]

I did not write that - you may be confusing me with yourself. 

You didn't  ? The Forum SW must be playing some tricks, then :

See I disagree - FSU women are well aware of the western custom. OTOH - I won't spend more than a few hundred dollars. I agree that "2-3 months salary" is marketing BS. 

Still does, apparently .

[dobradavid]

You didn't  ? The Forum SW must be playing some tricks, then :
Still does, apparently .

Yes - and "Zircon" was nowhere in what I wrote. You wrote that and you have selectively cited my posts - which speaks volumes about your personality.

You are aware that wearing a jacket and tie in your picture is not a substitute for competant communication/writing, yes? Nor education. 

[BC]

Yes - and "Zircon" was nowhere in what I wrote. You wrote that and you have selectively cited my posts - which speaks volumes about your personality.

You are aware that wearing a jacket and tie in your picture is not a substitute for competant communication/writing, yes? Nor education. 

What??? an attack on Sandro???

Boooooo....

[SANDRO43]

Yes - and "Zircon" was nowhere in what I wrote.You wrote that

No, it wasn't and yes, I wrote it, so what? That's what "a few hundred dollars" would get you. Or can you enlighten us all where we could get a diamond ring for that paltry sum ? THAT'd be some useful information.

and you have selectively cited my posts - which speaks volumes about your personality.

Selectively cited your post ? Let me do it again in its entirety, as I did before (Volume I, Chapter 2 of my personality: preferably quote in full to avoid subsequent quibbles):

See I disagree - FSU women are well aware of the western custom. OTOH - I won't spend more than a few hundred dollars. I agree that "2-3 months salary" is marketing BS. 

Must add a footnote to Chapter 2: Caution: some will quibble regardless, anyway .

You are aware that wearing a jacket and tie in your picture is not a substitute for competant communication/writing, yes? Nor education. 

Neither is NOT wearing them apparently, since it allows someone to write competAnt rather than competEnt. So much for education . As for the rest:

Foul, foul!  Dan, I'm being subjected to crass garment discrimination, please do something to "redress" this unjustifiable harassment

[SANDRO43]

What??? an attack on Sandro???

BC, he's not attacking me REALLY, but my jacket and tie . I had thought of changing my avatar to a more recent photo but alas, I'm still wearing a tie .

P.S.: I hope YOU won't be offended if I left the Boooooo.... out of your quote .

[Jumper]

BC, he's not attacking me REALLY, but my jacket and tie . I had thought of changing my avatar to a more recent photo but alas, I'm still wearing a tie .

P.S.: I hope YOU won't be offended if I left the Boooooo.... out of your quote .

just don't attack my dolphin..


and
on topic..
the person in question has been writing me for a month..
(nice completely normal letters,no hook,it's not like this is my first rodeo)
it's pretty funny to see the photos here.
 

[Aloe]

i agree, better propose with no ring and pick the ring together later. My husband bought me a ring and its kinda ugly Every time i walk by a jewelry shop and see all the pretty engagement rings, im so sad he couldnt pick a pretty one, now im stuck with this one. I mean almost every single one of them, cheap or expensive is pretty, except mine!! And i dont have the heart to tell him that i think its ugly lol. I dont know how he managed to pick this one out of so many pretty rings

[GQBlues]

My husband bought me a ring and its kinda ugly Every time i walk by a jewelry shop and see all the pretty engagement rings, im so sad he couldnt pick a pretty one, now im stuck with this one. I mean almost every single one of them, cheap or expensive is pretty, except mine!! And i dont have the heart to tell him that i think its ugly lol. I dont know how he managed to pick this one out of so many pretty rings

LOL.

I know (hope) you don't really mean that, but that's pretty funny. Look at it this way Aloe...the fact it's not like everything else  - makes it unique. The fact it's one of a kind, makes it a gem.

 

[kievstar]

In about 5 years when your husband has his career going and making more money just lose it and have it upgraded.

[dobradavid]

No, it wasn't and yes, I wrote it, so what? That's what "a few hundred dollars" would get you. Or can you enlighten us all where we could get a diamond ring for that paltry sum ? THAT'd be some useful information.
Foul, foul!  Dan, I'm being subjected to crass garment discrimination, please do something to "redress" this unjustifiable harassment

Yes you wrote it - so stop attributing it to me. For a few hundred dollars, you could also get a starimaster, since your attempts at wit are indicative of low self-esteem. Unless negative attention is better than no attention? 

[SANDRO43]

Yes you wrote it - so stop attributing it to me.

Where have I ever done that ? Please quote my offending post.

For a few hundred dollars, you could also get a starimaster

No idea what that is, unless it's another misspelt word. Stairmaster, maybe?

since your attempts at wit are indicative of low self-esteem.

You are an amazing source of new behavioural theories, I'll store that nugget of wisdom alongside "Jackets and ties: no substitutes for competAnt communication/writing".

[KenC]

Yes - and "Zircon" was nowhere in what I wrote. You wrote that and you have selectively cited my posts - which speaks volumes about your personality.

Sandro suggested that the best ring you could buy for a few hundred dollars was a zircon ring.  He never said you specifically indicated a purchase of a zircon ring but that it would be the highest quality engagement ring available for only a few hundred dollars. The inference is that "a few hundred dollars" does not buy much of a ring at all.  Your over sensitivity speak volumes of YOUR personality kind sir.

You are aware that wearing a jacket and tie in your picture is not a substitute for competant communication/writing, yes? Nor education. 

David,
I wish you were smart enough to understand how stupid your statement is regarding Sandro who is RWD's version of Google.
KenC

[tim 360]

Sandro, I think your jacket and tie look just fine and competent.  Merry Christmas!

[SANDRO43]

Sandro, I think your jacket and tie look just fine and competent.  Merry Christmas!

Thank you Tim, the same to you & family. Ken, you're stating in other words what I thought was pretty obvious...meaning the zircon part .

[cartable]

Good morning,
My name is André, I am Frenchman.
I was in touch with Anna Savych from April, 2014 till November, 2015.
I stopped this relation, because it destroyed me psychologically.
I quickly had a feeling that this woman was not honest, but when they are in love, they are blind...
A lot of lies, and many unsaid...
As GB, I could not have photos of its parents - strange - but arranged to extract me of some money, in a very destructive way.
We met twice, in Kharkov and at home. I smelt him very distant at home.
I decide to post 7 years after GB, but this woman must be put out of state to harm. I am sure that she was in touch with several men at the same time as I: she has 3 telephones at least, and several Skype addresses.
She is on several sites: RUPERSONAL, Natasha Club, Elena' s Model, UKREINE.COM, PartnerVermittlung and many others but on no social networks such as Facebook or VK!!
I post several photos, only in France or with me, or they are photos made by a professional.
She has a training of lawyer, she says that she works in a company which sells some water (Jivaya), but I am sure that she is lawyer indeed, she knows laws, she stays on "the thread of the razor", she is clever, she is DANGEROUS!!!
She makes believe that she has problems of health to receive some money and to refuse to have intimate reports!!
She has a rather good lifestyle: she gets dressed in Chanel, made do again her bathroom, bought an air-conditioning.... With his only wage of secretary to Jivaya? LOL!!!
She has no intention of getting married abroad, she arranges to meet men, and to extract from them some money, to continue her life in Kharkov...
She lies a lot, but when they lie, it is necessary to be very strong on length: she is not her!!

[tfcrew]

She has no intention of getting married abroad, she arranges to meet men, and to extract from them some money, to continue her life in Kharkov...
 

You found this from a seven year old thread Fascinating.

[BillyB]

Good morning,
My name is André, I am Frenchman.
I was in touch with Anna Savych from April, 2014 till November, 2015.
I stopped this relation, because it destroyed me psychologically.
I quickly had a feeling that this woman was not honest, but when they are in love, they are blind...
A lot of lies, and many unsaid...
As GB, I could not have photos of its parents - strange - but arranged to extract me of some

Welcome to the forum Andre. What is your next step? Are you still looking for a soulmate or given up? If you're still looking, we can get you on the right direction. Do lots of reading here and ask questions.

You found this from a seven year old thread Fascinating.

Google makes finding things easy. What I'm amazed at is this woman is still scamming men after 7 years and wasting their time getting into serious relationships with them. Andre should list her name on anti scam sites.