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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #150 on: December 20, 2019, 07:40:58 PM »
Theoretically Jay had a good point in that some of the men who come to this forum or who engage in FSU should be looking at the Nano's, many even. They are not very likely to get stung that way by dating some young pretty girl that might see them as some sort of joke.

That said many of these guys have probably already passed over the Nano's in there own country over the years, I know I have, so they are unlikely to go for the Nano's abroad. If a girl doesn't do it for you and you find her unacceptable then whatever your own situation she is unacceptable.

Maybe if such a woman changed her attitude, kept herself trim, etc she might then be acceptable to some of these guys. Of course natural chemistry will only be with so many but then there is the competition.

Then there is the situation of what someone is looking for. Some guys want kids but if they can't have kids with a woman maybe they might just want an unmarried companion? A guy may not want to sacrifice potential freedoms for a marriage without children. Bearing in mind some marriages can end real bad, the couple constantly arguing and ending up loathing each other.

I know Nano has previously said a while back that she was looking to be a kept woman and has expectations in this regard. So quite a burden on the guy to deliver. I'm not sure though that many men would be up for this deal, a much older guy might but guys around her age or younger might want to have kids and without kids in the offing it might be too high a price for them to wish to pay.

What I'm suggesting is maybe Nano might do better in a more looser relationship of companionship with each having their own life but still seeing each other, ie dating but with marriage not on the table. The guy flies in here or there or whatever, a bit like SC & Mobe before they got married. The other option might be for Nano to drop her ideas of the guy paying to support her to live at home and not work but instead work at least part time or more to pay her way. I say this as I think few guys would want to take on a woman in her late forties and have the burden of supporting her, the dating equation is too lopsided for many men to want to do that, for a younger woman fine but there generally has to be good reason to do that in the western sense I feel.
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #151 on: December 20, 2019, 07:56:31 PM »
"It shouldn't matter, but it does, because most men are superficial."

really...
go to the supermarket and see how long the average Ukrainian woman will feel, examine, tap, etc, each melon to only get the best one..
if you do that for arbus
why not for a wife?
and get the best looking, firmest feeling one, if it works for getting the best arbus, surely it'll work for getting the best deavotchka...

"FSUW are expected to cook, to clean, to shop, to care for children"

AND...
I SAY AND...
provide eye candy and COMPLETE sexual gratification...
nude house cleaning, etc....
AND...
I SAY AND...
make me some god damned money as well...
THAT is what I expect from a Russian woman
AND...
I get 1000% more than I expect

the Russian women in my life will ALL do anything to please me....
because I freakin KNOW how to mange Russians better than even Russians know...
when I go out, I travel with a mini Russian harem
everyone just stops and gawks at the spectacle, scratching their head, trying to figure out which oil magnate I am...

« Last Edit: December 20, 2019, 08:05:19 PM by krimster2 »

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #152 on: December 20, 2019, 08:06:24 PM »
"It shouldn't matter, but it does, because most men are superficial."

really...
go to the supermarket and see how long the average Ukrainian woman will feel, examine, tap, etc, each melon to only get the best one..
if you do that for arbus
why not for a wife?
and get the best looking, firmest feeling one, if it works for getting the best arbus, surely it'll work for getting the best deavotchka...

"FSUW are expected to cook, to clean, to shop, to care for children"

AND...
I SAY AND...
provide eye candy and COMPLETE sexual gratification...
nude house cleaning, etc....
AND...
I SAY AND...
make me some god damned money as well...
THAT is what I expect from a Russian woman
AND...
I get 1000% more than I expect

the Russian women in my life will ALL do anything to please me....
because I freakin KNOW how to mange Russians better than even Russians know...
when I go out, I travel with a mini Russian harem
everyone just stops and gawks at the spectacle, scratching their head, trying to figure out which oil magnate I am...


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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #153 on: December 20, 2019, 08:07:35 PM »
Have you ever noticed how Krimster's posts change in tone and fluency from early in the morning 'till night time.  His late in the day posts typically have some part that states how loved he is by Russian women and that they would do anything for him....... just sayin. 

Hope you drink lots of water in the middle of the night.
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #154 on: December 20, 2019, 08:29:37 PM »
yeah, they do leave me a bit dehydrated...
but I keep a bottle of gatorade in my fridge for this purpose...
the electrolytes make it more effective than water...
but at my age, I've had to give up going a second round after chugging gatorade and Viagra
unless my wife and her girlfriend do something "special"

but you guys, it ain't bragging, if it's FACT...
horrosho...
it took a lot of work to get to where I am...
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #155 on: December 20, 2019, 09:04:37 PM »
Poor 'ol Jone,

Tries to suggest 'powers of observation' while proving elsewhere in the same 24 hour period that's defo not the case.

I mean whoever would suggest no one had ever used OK ( odnoklassniki) as a resource when seeking one's eventual wife.....?


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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #156 on: December 20, 2019, 09:40:59 PM »
I tend to say, as men generally covet youth/beauty and women money/power:

At 20, women have all the power; they are youthful and men have little money.
At 30, it is relatively balanced as women are still youthful (and fertile) while men have greater earning power.
At 40, men are near peak earning capacity (gained social status) and women are no longer youthful - at least not comparable with a 30yo.

Because of social/societal factors it's probably even more of a swing in the FSU.

By any measures of the above, I would've certainly almost never stood a chance when I first started out as a 24 year-old on my journey to try to find my life companion, my wife-to-be in the FSU. I was mesmerised by certain pieces of Russian literature (eg. Tolstoy etc) and and its portrayal of amazingly strong, tough and loyal FSU women so much so that it made me wonder whether such a traditional woman still existed.  :-\

I faced multiple social stigmas. I don't think I was very fashionable in any sense. I didn't know the Russian language. I knew next to no one living in Russia. In order to be more pragmatic in my search, I made it a point to make sure that all my potential prospects would at least be able to carry themselves well in our online chat conversations in English. Otherwise it was an almost instant no for me.

I was willing to forego some women. There are 7 billion souls on the planet. Close to 400million in the U.S half of which are men/women, and close to 300million souls in the FSU almost half of which are men/women. I still liked my chances. I only needed one amongst ~150million.

It took me almost a year before I found her. In the process of searching for her, I think I've probably sifted through 1000s upon 1000s of profiles from various dating sites, conversed with close to 300 women, gotten rejected by women who told me I was too young, gotten my time wasted by almost 100 skilled "empathetic" women who eventually asked me for financial assistance to which I simply told them I'm not that type of person.

And after all that sorting, filtering, chatting, video calling and even singing with multiple women, I eventually only ended up with four profiles. Four prospective partners that I really felt such a strong connection towards that I really felt compelled to visit before eventually committing to one girl. ML once mentioned that only those who are crazy enough, end up travelling to such a foreign culture in their search for a future partner. Sometimes, I still think I was.  :cluebat:

It is by no means easy, but so is finding a job. I am under no illusions that my first trip to Russia could've ended up with nothing, in which case it would've been back to sifting profiles again.

I was and still am literally a broke-ass student, struggling to make every dollar count, with my stipends barely enough to cover rent and etc in University even as I struggled to have enough saved every few months just to hop on a plane to go visit my girl. At times, there were moments when I looked back at how long we've remained separated, and just shook my head at the degree of trust and commitment that's kept our relationship alive. She's probably bought more things for me than I've ever bought for her. She's given me her locket, figurines, a church cross, bought me a shirt, surprise tickets, etc for me and all I've ever really done is pay for the food and occasionally bought her roses.

Nano, if there are certain qualities, moral or other personal values that you feel you'll never be able to compromise for your potential partner, then my opinion is don't. You shouldn't need to.

I do not proclaim to be a "love guru", especially with my relatively short dating journey throughout Russia. However, I think I do have ideas as to how strong relationships are built and this is my theory:

We all want to feel cared for, deeply valued, loved. We all want to be somewhere familiar, somewhere safe. Only then, can trust develop, And only with trust, can love blossom. And for that to develop, we surely, need to possess and share the same values, beliefs. I.e Belonging to the same herd. And the more values you share, the stronger the relationship will be able to be built and the stronger it will stand the test of time.

Not all shall find their one and only, especially the first time. However, I strongly believe that if one looks hard and deep enough, eventually he/she will find his/her special someone, someone who they share the whole world with.

Hence I completely agree with Gator's view, even if it sounds a tad optimistic.

Nano, if you are still reading:


« Last Edit: December 20, 2019, 10:07:24 PM by kynrazor »
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #157 on: December 21, 2019, 03:31:25 AM »
Kyn you're a good catch for your girl and out in the FSU you're a good catch for many a girl - you're on the path to achieving a PhD at a young age and most importantly in a science type subject where it sounds at least that you could bring in big money in the near future as opposed to some interest subject, History, Sociology, etc where that would look a lot less certain.

Some women found you too young as they wanted a guy who was well of enough there and then. They weren't willing to wait the couple of years or so for you to earn your PhD and get big bucks, potentially. That could have been short sighted of them, however a girl in Uni has more time to wait than a girl where ever year added is starting to count against her.

Nano could possibly still find a guy if she starts doing stuff differently and makes some changes. However, she is generally well passed child bearing age as she is apparently 48, she is even passed the age where most of her peer group have got married and threted about doing so - generally up to 30 ish. What I'm saying is her chances are not nearly as good as yours. Theoretically you could have gone out and met a lot of women in the FSU (finances aside), if you aimed at the student girls then you would be romping home with a lot of them. There is a much larger pool of available good women to choose from in the FSU at that age, it's a turkey shoot for a guy with good prospects around the same age or slightly older. Nano by contrast is in the opposite situation, many a guy could see her as more of a burden than anything. These days with microwaves, many restaurants in the west with tasty meals at cheap prices and modern kitchen appliances the old stuff about the woman cooking etc while still having its place is not what it once was. Added to that it appears that Nano may not be helping herself, I get the impression she is a nice person in general but she seems to have a tendency to want to tell a guy what to do. That is not going to be appealing to any but the very weakest of men, if that and of course a lot of guys around her age that are still single tend to value their Independence.

I personally think that Nano should have made changes long ago but probably wasn't aware of her shortcomings. For some reason a lot of women can have 'the world comes to me why should I change for it' mentality and that is not helpful. Clinging to the time honoured notions that she has done in her life haven't served her well. That's why I suggest a her pursuing a looser relationship as a lot of guys aren't going to want to sign up to a marriage deal with her, not any with much money at least, even less than I have I feel. 
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #158 on: December 21, 2019, 08:28:14 AM »
when I was a little boy...
I used to love to watch the squirrels and rabbits in my backyard...
I would endlessly draw pictures of them...
trying to copy their various poses...
I learned a lot about them through observation...

I started to give them peanuts...
and they would come each day to eat them and I would draw them...
then I got the idea of bringing the peanuts closer and closer...
so I could draw them from closer up...
eventually...
they would eat the peanuts from my hand and let me touch them...
this made me happy!  to be able to touch them this way, while others could not...

flash forward many years later...
it’s 1996 autumn in Kyiv...
I learned that if I go to bessarabsky on a saturday, there’s a part that has a lot of clothing kiosks
behind the kisoks they have a changing area that is nothing but a clothesline and some blankets hanging from it...
a woman is supposed to go and change behind the blankets....

BUT...
I found an angle that made the blanket hanging from the clothesline useless...
so while I was making a sport out of this, trying to beat my best top score of 7 tittie views
that I saw a pattern...

there were two types of young women shopping there!!!
well dressed ones, and women who looked like they were wearing their mothers “hand-me-downs”
the well dressed ones, usually bought something
but, the poorly dressed ones never did...

I knew with this observation, that I had found the peanut for a poor Ukrainian woman...
the next step was to figure out how to give to her!


BO
you should NEVER play poker!
you have an obvious “tell”  google if you don’t know what this means...

I’m not arguing over whether one life style has more validity over another...
I understand the nuclear family lifestyle...
but you’ve been living that since you were what 18 or so?
so ALL of my experiences are COMPLETELY outside of yours...
you would have no idea what it’s like for a guy to date a woman like nano...
OTOH, I’ve had the regretful experience of dating many like her...
men appreciate beauty and grace, like an orchid, and not a prickly cactus

I think nano's problem runs deeper than just the "chip on her shoulder"...
that chip, is just what I see on the surface through this VERY narrow filter...
but it hides something MUCH DEEPER...
and this deeper thing is what led to the creation of the chip based on her frustration, anger and resentment
right nano?

« Last Edit: December 21, 2019, 11:14:14 AM by krimster2 »

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #159 on: December 21, 2019, 11:39:58 AM »

Many ( most?)  men start out with very unrealistic ideas on a potential match -- and fail to look at themselves,their life,their lifestyle and what they actually have to offer as a potential mate.
All too often -- guys have a superiority complex because they think they have an economic advantage ( e.g. "better " housing)  and seem to think that makes them a desirable "catch".
The reality is that most online are not going to be suitable FULL STOP

Hey, it worked for me.

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #160 on: December 21, 2019, 02:10:24 PM »


By the way . . . tomorrow is our 5th wedding anniversary.

Congrats ..

We've been married 10 days, nearly ... ;)

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #161 on: December 21, 2019, 02:48:36 PM »

yo' newlyweds
20 yr and 2 month...

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #162 on: December 22, 2019, 05:45:18 AM »
Hey, it worked for me.

By the way . . . tomorrow is our 5th wedding anniversary.
Congrats ML
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #163 on: December 23, 2019, 11:39:50 AM »
Looking back at the first page of this thread it looks like Nano likes to ask guys for gifts and admitted to love being after them. She seems to view this as even handed behaviour to whatever the guy gets out of the deal in a relationship. This indeed seems to be an interesting insight into how some FSW think and could help further explain the transactional girls who aren't scammers but seem to want stuff off a guy without it being worth the time & trouble they spend trying to date guys.

Now a lot of guys on the other side of the screen probably see Nano along the lines of a scammer since us western men are not accustomed to the way of thinking that Nano does about it. What are guys thoughts here about this behaviour?
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #164 on: December 23, 2019, 12:27:21 PM »
Nano never posted that she is looking for gifts.  Her posts about gifts were tongue in cheek, a riposte to what was posted to her.


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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #165 on: December 23, 2019, 03:15:59 PM »
Looking back at the first page of this thread it looks like Nano likes
to ask guys for gifts and admitted to love being after them.

Billy, in this very thread admitted to wanting $5K. In many other threads
ML and Myself have proclaimed the same thing. I asked for a Christmas
gift for my free advice earlier today.

Nano was joking AND I told you that in this thread. Please try to keep up
with the rest of the class before you start dispensing advice.
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FSUW don't do vague
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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #166 on: December 23, 2019, 03:23:24 PM »
Nobody restrict poor guys to come or just show his real attitude instead of endless communication... but I do not want lead endless communications without any understanding he really interesting in me... Why I should spend my time, attention and emotions fearing to ask nice gift (that I love (gifts):D) or asking when he real planning to come...

Seems pretty clear to me, can't see where the joke is?
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« Reply #167 on: December 23, 2019, 03:30:11 PM »
« Last Edit: December 23, 2019, 03:31:52 PM by 2tallbill »
FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Just kiss the girl, don't ask her first. Tolerate NO excuses!

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #168 on: December 23, 2019, 04:34:08 PM »
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« Reply #169 on: December 23, 2019, 06:10:20 PM »
Nice card Bill, but are you sure you aren't seeing a joke that is not really there?


Yes, I am sure. I wouldn't have said it twice and then rubbed your nose in
it with two attachments if I wasn't sure. I've talked to hundreds of Russian
women with mediocre English. It's a combination of joking/sarcasm that's 
very common in Russia. Boe vouched for her intent as well.

When I had a gf from Dnepropetrovsk, I we joked with her bringing her to
the US for 89 days and then shipping her back to Ukraine so that I wouldn't
have to marry her. With somebody else I always joked about my mistress. 
Another girl we joked about me being a sex tourist and YES that was after
my anti-date fiasco.

Sarcasm and humor go together like peas and carrots, Forest Gump reference.


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There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Just kiss the girl, don't ask her first. Tolerate NO excuses!

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #170 on: December 23, 2019, 07:23:07 PM »
As a retired scammer with great experience I can tell I never needed to ask for gifts :D . Opposite, I asked to stop sending flowers (no space for them in my apartments), candies (dentists are too expensive)... Mt first webcam was a gift. One dutch from ICQ (anybody remember ICQ?) decided that we had to see each other. He disappeared in 2 weeks of conversation, I couldn’t even thank him. There was a thread about phone... All my phones (4 or 5) were gifts  :devil:, a lot of my comp upgrades were done from gift parts...
May be 2tallbill can remember one canuck who invited me to watch F1 race in Shanghai long ago. I didn't ask him to send money for ticket, but he did. Ok, I'll buy tickets for the race than. I asked another guy (dutch) for advice about better sits. He told that  he'll buy it for me. Sorry, but I need 2 tickets.  :D I got a confirmation for 2 tickets in a minute.
Personally I don't see anything wrong with gifts. I like to get gifts, I like to make gifts myself. t’s not customary to go empty-handed in Russia.
What I can recommend for others? Don't listen a bad advice from 2tallbill (sorry,Bill  :P), otherwise your search will be longer than Moses's.
I personally did not look for anyone, I just lived my life, worked at my favorite job, raised my daughter, looked after my parents. The princes and their horses appeared on the horizon and disappeared, but real life went on. Everyone has their own paths to happiness.

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #171 on: December 23, 2019, 10:20:30 PM »
there! fixed that for you!
« Last Edit: December 23, 2019, 11:19:35 PM by krimster2 »

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« Reply #172 on: December 24, 2019, 09:24:46 AM »
2tallbill (sorry,Bill  :P),

Millala,

I remember your hair grows faster when tickets to visit you have been
purchased.  :P

FSUW are not for entry level daters
FSUW don't do vague
FSUW like a man of action. Be a man of action 
If you find a promising girl, get your butt on a plane.
There are a hundred ways to be successful and a thousand ways to f#ck it up
Just kiss the girl, don't ask her first. Tolerate NO excuses!

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #173 on: December 24, 2019, 09:49:49 PM »
Kyn you're a good catch for your girl and out in the FSU you're a good catch for many a girl - you're on the path to achieving a PhD at a young age and most importantly in a science type subject where it sounds at least that you could bring in big money in the near future as opposed to some interest subject, History, Sociology, etc where that would look a lot less certain.

Some women found you too young as they wanted a guy who was well of enough there and then. They weren't willing to wait the couple of years or so for you to earn your PhD and get big bucks, potentially. That could have been short sighted of them, however a girl in Uni has more time to wait than a girl where ever year added is starting to count against her.

Strange, I've never made any woman hot and bother by telling them I'm a grad student. My girl also never knew I was doing a PhD when she first committed herself to me and asked other men to stop messaging her. And last I checked, PhD prospects aren't too different from undergrad with respect to salary, save some consultancy work.


if you aimed at the student girls then you would be romping home with a lot of them. There is a much larger pool of available good women to choose from in the FSU at that age, it's a turkey shoot for a guy with good prospects around the same age or slightly older.

Anecdotally for me, 1000s upon 1000s of profiles for one, university students included. % would've been lower if I used vk with a spamming approach. I don't think the % chance matters so much now when you only need one. Lest you want a harem I guess.
« Last Edit: December 24, 2019, 09:52:20 PM by kynrazor »
Sincerely,
Kyn

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Re: Nano's thread
« Reply #174 on: December 25, 2019, 07:53:45 AM »
As a retired scammer with great experience I can tell I never needed to ask for gifts :D . Opposite, I asked to stop sending flowers (no space for them in my apartments), candies (dentists are too expensive)... Mt first webcam was a gift. One dutch from ICQ (anybody remember ICQ?) decided that we had to see each other. He disappeared in 2 weeks of conversation, I couldn’t even thank him. There was a thread about phone... All my phones (4 or 5) were gifts  :devil:, a lot of my comp upgrades were done from gift parts...
Oh no, I am not so much honored scammer :P :D

kyn  congratulate, you bothe look very similar to each other :) good couples often looks similar, I think, and the other sometimes agree with it too :)

OTOH, I’ve had the regretful experience of dating many like her...
men appreciate beauty and grace, like an orchid, and not a prickly cactus
bla-bla-bla
But sometimes I thought the forum and my theme turn into balagan with so "great" men...
« Last Edit: December 25, 2019, 08:44:37 AM by nano »
Just want to see the other side :)

 

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