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Title: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2020, 01:54:09 AM
Ok, so following on from discussion in the other thread my mind has turned to buying a jacket, I guess a more expensive one than the ones I have at present. My thought is that a full black suit might look too much like I'm wearing office work clothing. So I'm thinking of a jacket that can be used in casual walk around as well as formal dining occasions and make me look good in both :)

So far my thoughts have been either to go with blazers such as on the Hugo Boss website:

http://www.hugoboss.com/uk/men-tailored-jackets/

They have a sale on at the moment because of the crises so my luck is in there :D If anyone thinks there is a particularly nice one there let me know.

Or Sports Jackets. I know Sports Jackets have come up here before with members suggesting they are a good choice. I like the style of both and am thinking either black or navy blue. I'm also thinking of maybe woven so as to give it a casual look to it too assuming this would not detract from the look at all. I would be interested to hear members thoughts on this.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: BC on July 29, 2020, 02:36:16 AM
Really?

It sounds like a jacket is only the tip of the iceberg.  I doubt anyone here has a clue what you have in your closet that would go with one, you know... shoes, shirt, pants...

Why not just go to a store and let the folks there give you suggestions?

Or just hire a stylist look at your current wardrobe and go shopping with you.

OTOH why not just be yourself, at least it's honest.  What did you wear on your last date?
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2020, 04:04:54 AM
Really?

It sounds like a jacket is only the tip of the iceberg.  I doubt anyone here has a clue what you have in your closet that would go with one, you know... shoes, shirt, pants...

Why not just go to a store and let the folks there give you suggestions?

Or just hire a stylist look at your current wardrobe and go shopping with you.

OTOH why not just be yourself, at least it's honest.  What did you wear on your last date?

I probably wore the shirt and jacket that I bought with Kherson girl for my date in Lviv. The date after that in Minsk I think I just wore a shirt as it was quite hot and not late at night.

I get where people are coming from when they say 'be yourself'. But I also now see that wearing a well styled jacket can be a lot more impressive looking. I would need to find one I feel comfortable in though of course and fits with me.

I think Kherson girl had a good eye for colour and clothes fashion though was limited in choosing the stuff for me as I wasn't keen to spend a lot of money.

When I first came across this subject I was afraid that I would just get materialistic women, but I now see that if I look impressive rather than just ok I could appeal to quite a wide range of women.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: BC on July 29, 2020, 04:42:52 AM
Usually, YGWYPF.

Me: WYSIWYG

I understand the whole 'first impressions' thing, but it goes much deeper than clothes as they'll hopefully come off in short order.

My tip, good shoes and a fresh manicure..
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on July 29, 2020, 04:44:23 AM
My tip, the jacket is irrelevant...

A new attitude is required...
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Gator on July 29, 2020, 07:07:50 AM
Ok, so following on from discussion in the other thread my mind has turned to buying a jacket....

I recall us discussing this topic a couple of years ago when I mentioned Canada Goose. 

Then I read more and see you are talking about a sports coat or blazer.  UK and the US, separated only by a common language.   :)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: BillyB on July 29, 2020, 08:41:19 AM



Trench, good clothes will help make a good first impression to a lady when trying to get a date or when on a date but good clothes can help a man for only a few minutes. How you conduct yourself and what comes out of your mouth will determine if you get a second date.


I once dated an FSU woman in the States and one day she told me about my many fine qualities that she loves. I asked her if she brags about me to her friends. She said "No, I don't want them to steal you from me." Trench, you need to work on the part of you that is capable of keeping a girl long term. Go out on a bunch of dates and improve your social skills. Sure, improve your wardrobe but don't neglect more important things.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: GQBlues on July 29, 2020, 08:53:01 AM
Reading all these BS is painful! I can walk off the BBall gym in my shorts and tees dripping in sweat and woo a gal in a heartbeat. Walk off the beach just in my board shorts and hook up with a Barbie. Tag any talent in a sushi house in my worn out jeans, t-shirt and flops...

Too much wasted effort, energy and BS in all these silly 'preparation'. "What women wants" What women wants is a man who is comfortable and confident in his skin. Not an idiot trying to be someone he isn't because it is what the internet losers tell him he should be.

I went to Moscow in mostly jeans and any clothes I hurriedly packed with athletic shoes and got the ladies mostly from Moscow under my control.

Pay attention to Pat's posts. Stop wasting your time on anything else.

Lipstick...pig.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on July 29, 2020, 11:03:03 AM
starting out with some “fresh lookin’” clothes is always a good idea
but lemme tell ya’ll something...
ya wanna see a lotta “Pooty Tang” and bare boobs with nipples hardening in the wind in Russia?
buy a freakin boat!!!!

word, O’ my brothers...

for the budget conscious, I’m not sure what the smallest boat would be that can be a boob magnet...

the only boat I owned in Crimea, was a cheap little 25 foot sail boat I bought for my kids (pic taken in Sevastopol harbor)
but whenever we pulled into the Sevastopol or Balaklava harbor and moored our tiny little boat
a small crowd would gather ‘round us....
mostly female, mostly youngish to gaze at the Americans!!!

my daughters get REALLY jealous if other women pay attention to me
so they’d chase them all away
but you guys wouldn’t have that problem

last year I was on a yacht on the southern Moscva River with a Russian bank CEO
I was totally distracted by the blond super model tanning herself in the stern of the 35 foot yacht (it's a river after all and not the black sea)
she had a jhoppa so freakin “tight” you could bounce a 100 ruble coin right off her butt
and it’d probably fly all the way to the stratosphere
I mean DAMN, the way she just laid there, all stretched out...OMG....she was so gorgeous....


PS, beach at Galveston is totally empty today after hurricane, maybe tomorrow we'll take the catamaran out and zip across the gulf, a good way to stay cool!!!
today, I'm kinda paranoid about an aluminum mast and lightening
so zaftra

I'll take my girls horse back riding along the beach instead
but not let their horses kick sand in my face this time


Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on July 29, 2020, 11:12:50 AM


Pay attention to Pat's posts. Stop wasting your time on anything else.


Those paying attention to Pat's 'advice' will end up with a virtual harem and nought else
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Patagonie on July 29, 2020, 12:50:58 PM
starting out with some “fresh lookin’” clothes is always a good idea
but lemme tell ya’ll something...
ya wanna see a lotta “Pooty Tang” and bare boobs with nipples hardening in the wind in Russia?
buy a freakin boat!!!!

word, O’ my brothers...

for the budget conscious, I’m not sure what the smallest boat would be that can be a boob magnet...

the only boat I owned in Crimea, was a cheap little 25 foot sail boat I bought for my kids (pic taken in Sevastopol harbor)
but whenever we pulled into the Sevastopol or Balaklava harbor and moored our tiny little boat
a small crowd would gather ‘round us....
mostly female, mostly youngish to gaze at the Americans!!!

my daughters get REALLY jealous if other women pay attention to me
so they’d chase them all away
but you guys wouldn’t have that problem

last year I was on a yacht on the southern Moscva River with a Russian bank CEO
I was totally distracted by the blond super model tanning herself in the stern of the 35 foot yacht (it's a river after all and not the black sea)
she had a jhoppa so freakin “tight” you could bounce a 100 ruble coin right off her butt
and it’d probably fly all the way to the stratosphere
I mean DAMN, the way she just laid there, all stretched out...OMG....she was so gorgeous....


PS, beach at Galveston is totally empty today after hurricane, maybe tomorrow we'll take the catamaran out and zip across the gulf, a good way to stay cool!!!
today, I'm kinda paranoid about an aluminum mast and lightening
so zaftra

I'll take my girls horse back riding along the beach instead
but not let their horses kick sand in my face this time

I know how precious are you daughters.
Just give them the right helmet and protection with horses.
I rode horses when I was very young and that's quite dangerous
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2020, 12:52:35 PM
starting out with some “fresh lookin’” clothes is always a good idea
but lemme tell ya’ll something...
ya wanna see a lotta “Pooty Tang” and bare boobs with nipples hardening in the wind in Russia?
buy a freakin boat!!!!

word, O’ my brothers...

for the budget conscious, I’m not sure what the smallest boat would be that can be a boob magnet...

Been looking into it Krim, I said in another thread a few weeks back that it one of the things I would like to get into. I did a canal day out with a Narrowboat which was good but I think I need something a bit more up tempo. So I've been looking into small Powerboats, about 17ft, think I can get a good one second hand for a few grand mostly up to scratch, a few decades old but so long as it's tarted up, polished up Gel coat, nice black windows fitted it should look a treat :)

I've learnt from the guys on here that providing a lifestyle for a girl is necessary to help a relationship along. I've got some other ideas on on some other stuff too. I can't get the boat just yet as got to finish off the house but once that is done in a few weeks I should have my hands and finances relatively free again.

In the mean time a new jacket is probably more achievable in creating a new image :D
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on July 29, 2020, 02:01:15 PM
"Just give them the right helmet and protection with horses. "

thanks Pat, but we're riding on the beach, if we fall, we hit wet sand and mainly hurt our ego....
I even jumped off the horse into the surf to get my daughter's to laugh!!

there's a narrow "sweet spot" to ride in just at the tip of where the wave ends, horses like this spot the best
but my daughters "hog" this space
so I gotta either ride out in front or in back...
if I choose back, I gotta be at least 7-8 meters behind
sometime when we're talking, I'll forget and get too close
then, if they start to gallop, and I'm too close, I'll get completely covered in wet sand
not that they would EVER do it deliberately...
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2020, 06:37:18 PM
I recall us discussing this topic a couple of years ago when I mentioned Canada Goose. 

Then I read more and see you are talking about a sports coat or blazer.  UK and the US, separated only by a common language.   :)

I remember that too, thing is I don't really need a heavy winter coat. Winters in recent years have been more milder and possibly shorter. I don't tend to travel to the FSU in winter. Also I'm really looking for a jacket that could fit into many situations. I don't really need it for work purposes, but dining in restaurants is a must as is walking around in cities, & fairly casual events without looking out of place/odd.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 29, 2020, 06:52:49 PM
Reading all these BS is painful! I can walk off the BBall gym in my shorts and tees dripping in sweat and woo a gal in a heartbeat. Walk off the beach just in my board shorts and hook up with a Barbie. Tag any talent in a sushi house in my worn out jeans, t-shirt and flops...

Too much wasted effort, energy and BS in all these silly 'preparation'. "What women wants" What women wants is a man who is comfortable and confident in his skin. Not an idiot trying to be someone he isn't because it is what the internet losers tell him he should be.

I went to Moscow in mostly jeans and any clothes I hurriedly packed with athletic shoes and got the ladies mostly from Moscow under my control.

Pay attention to Pat's posts. Stop wasting your time on anything else.

Lipstick...pig.

Lipstick always makes pigs look hot ;D

Seriously, I think you probably have great social skills GQ. Whatever it is you are clearly bringing something to the party so don't need anything else. Others though probably need as much as is reasonably possible flowing in their direction. I hear what BillyB writes above, I personally don't see myself as coming across as too awful when interacting with these women, but I don't excel either like some guys do. Some guys can go in giving the girl an instant bad impression then use their personality to turn it around. I'm. Not one of those people, if I can create a good rather than not so good first impression by looking reasonably impressive then doing just ok in interactive may see me through. Otherwise I'm starting off not so good and then only doing okish and that may not do it many a time. I think doing ok in interaction is attainable for me, excelling at it not so if I'm being realistic with myself.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on July 29, 2020, 07:29:51 PM
do you want to “earn” the affection of the average Russian woman?
just buy her a leather coat with fur collar and leather fur lined gloves...
AND a simple diamond necklace...

after presenting “her presents" to her
you then get your driver to take you to the most outrageously expensive restaurant in Kyiv that there is...
and then after dinner to your place on the top floor of the Dnipro Hotel....
the “secret suite” not open to just "any body"
you freshen up, change clothes if necessary
and then your driver hands you an envelope with your tickets to the Kyiv Opera
and off he takes you
and then picks you up at the end and takes you to one of the best bars in Kyiv for a nightcap
and then back to your place...
where you have a couple of martinis while watching videos on cable

she starts falling asleep during the second movie
so you pick her up and carry her into the Master Bedroom and lay her gently on the bed
which, soon as you do and start to pull away
she unexpectedly reaches up and grabs your face and pulls it close to hers, then ....

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2020, 12:42:23 AM
do you want to “earn” the affection of the average Russian woman?
just buy her a leather coat with fur collar and leather fur lined gloves...
AND a simple diamond necklace...

after presenting “her presents" to her
you then get your driver to take you to the most outrageously expensive restaurant in Kyiv that there is...
and then after dinner to your place on the top floor of the Dnipro Hotel....
the “secret suite” not open to just "any body"
you freshen up, change clothes if necessary
and then your driver hands you an envelope with your tickets to the Kyiv Opera
and off he takes you
and then picks you up at the end and takes you to one of the best bars in Kyiv for a nightcap
and then back to your place...
where you have a couple of martinis while watching videos on cable

she starts falling asleep during the second movie
so you pick her up and carry her into the Master Bedroom and lay her gently on the bed
which, soon as you do and start to pull away
she unexpectedly reaches up and grabs your face and pulls it close to hers, then ....

Driver takes you? You could walk to the Opera building it just down the road in Maidan, or better still stay at Hotel Ukraine, great views from there and cheap prices :D

To be honest I wouldn't really want to bother with Opera again, or ballet, or Orchestra. It was interesting to do once but it's not really my thing. Possibly if I was in Odessa again I might go with a girl once as the building there is supposed to be nice in the inside but that would be about it.

My impression is that Minsk probably suits me more as a city az its focus is more on Architecture and less on the performing arts & cathedrals like Kiev is. However I find Ukrainian girls fun and more lively. It's also cheaper for me to get to Ukraine and stay there.

I don't think I would want to bother shelling out on a girl much. If it's about getting laid I reckon that it can probably be done without spending a lot of money. Probably better to spend the money on my own gear to impress her rather than get her stuff. That way I can use it again and again with a girl without constant spend out :)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Nightwish on July 30, 2020, 02:13:36 AM
Ok, so following on from discussion in the other thread my mind has turned to buying a jacket, I guess a more expensive one than the ones I have at present. My thought is that a full black suit might look too much like I'm wearing office work clothing. So I'm thinking of a jacket that can be used in casual walk around as well as formal dining occasions and make me look good in both :)

So far my thoughts have been either to go with blazers such as on the Hugo Boss website:

http://www.hugoboss.com/uk/men-tailored-jackets/

They have a sale on at the moment because of the crises so my luck is in there :D If anyone thinks there is a particularly nice one there let me know.

Or Sports Jackets. I know Sports Jackets have come up here before with members suggesting they are a good choice. I like the style of both and am thinking either black or navy blue. I'm also thinking of maybe woven so as to give it a casual look to it too assuming this would not detract from the look at all. I would be interested to hear members thoughts on this.

Can you buy yourself a better attitude towards women, and a personality that matches to get rid of your misogynist tendencies, if so - start with that and don't worry about what you are wearing - that ain't gonna change who you are anyway.
Better spend those money on a self-help course.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2020, 08:44:59 AM
Can you buy yourself a better attitude towards women, and a personality that matches to get rid of your misogynist tendencies, if so - start with that and don't worry about what you are wearing - that ain't gonna change who you are anyway.
Better spend those money on a self-help course.

I don't have misogynist tendancies, chauvinistic yes but I am quite happy with that and so are FSW, in fact they seem to expect it :D

I assure you my attitude is fine when meeting FSW. I might have made the odd small mistake in the past through lack of experience with them but now I am fine.

I just really feel that I need to come across well visually. I get the impression from what Krim and others have said that FSW are expecting an impressive looking person to show up not just someone who looks 'ok'. If a fairly expensive jacket does it for them to see me in then I'll do that.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2020, 08:57:58 AM
So back to the topic of this thread, I have recently seen this jacket which I quite like the look off:

http://www.armani.com/gb/armanicom/emporio-armani/single-breasted-jacket-in-light-wool-seersucker_cod41959331or.html#dept=saleseason

I would have to go in store to find one in the right size and see if it fit decently enough but reckon it could be a good one for me. I'm a similar build to the guy in the photo in terms of height to width ratio and also have a full head of brown hair. Also it's on at a reduced price at the moment :)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: GQBlues on July 30, 2020, 09:06:02 AM
Lipstick always makes pigs look hot ;D

Seriously, I think you probably have great social skills GQ. Whatever it is you are clearly bringing something to the party so don't need anything else. Others though probably need as much as is reasonably possible flowing in their direction. I hear what BillyB writes above, I personally don't see myself as coming across as too awful when interacting with these women, but I don't excel either like some guys do. Some guys can go in giving the girl an instant bad impression then use their personality to turn it around. I'm. Not one of those people, if I can create a good rather than not so good first impression by looking reasonably impressive then doing just ok in interactive may see me through. Otherwise I'm starting off not so good and then only doing okish and that may not do it many a time. I think doing ok in interaction is attainable for me, excelling at it not so if I'm being realistic with myself.

Trench-

I get it man. I am aware the whole ‘interaction’ dynamics is not universal for men. I’ve seen this with my own group, and I’ve helped improve a lot of my friends’ attitudes and behaviors when it comes to meeting women, and becoming better equip to carry on with that initial ‘meet’. Most importantly, keeping it. Some are born with this skill. Others acquire it through living. I tend to believe the latter.

It’s been 5 years since you’ve registered here Trench. Right now you’re still at a point in your quest at asking ‘what to be’ in the internet from people you don’t know. Worse, from guys who failed in their relationships / marriages multiple times, which still harbor obscurity in their 'wisdom'. That should’ve been your first clue. The result, you’re still asking what color lipstick you should be using on a pig.

Few of the guys here did give you very sound advice over that 5 years. Unfortunately, all of them is overshadowed by the crappy ones, so very likely it went unheeded.

The only reason why I’m far more skilled in this is because I’ve done it thousands of times more than you ever had. Pat is DOING exactly that right now, and that’s the point I’m trying to get to you.

I’ve tried to share with you things in the past and I don’t want to rehash them again as it seems not to hit its mark. So, I’ll just depart with this little tidbit with you, and I’m done.

Any person, whether male or female and -  everything in between, gravitates towards a person who is both happy and positive. Positivity and contentment breeds confidence. Confidence shapes your attitude and behavior. You become much more balance. A balanced person can see things with utmost clarity. Obscurity in people spells insecurity, resentment and toxicity. These are the core components of socially skilled people. In converse, are nestled in the socially inept. What you practice in life becomes your experience, which in turn determines that depth of a person’s substance.

Inexperience and shallow substance brings you to places like figuring out what lipstick to put on a pig.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2020, 11:25:07 AM

It’s been 5 years since you’ve registered here Trench. Right now you’re still at a point in your quest at asking ‘what to be’ in the internet from people you don’t know.

Any person, whether male or female and -  everything in between, gravitates towards a person who is both happy and positive. Positivity and contentment breeds confidence. Confidence shapes your attitude and behavior. You become much more balance. A balanced person can see things with utmost clarity. Obscurity in people spells insecurity, resentment and toxicity. These are the core components of socially skilled people. In converse, are nestled in the socially inept. What you practice in life becomes your experience, which in turn determines that depth of a person’s substance.

Inexperience and shallow substance brings you to places like figuring out what lipstick to put on a pig.

I know, I think I would have been able to make a go off it this year if it were not for the virus. Maybe in September it might be better but at the moment I would rather not risk it going to the FSU.

Admittedly Ice learnt a lot along the way and I believe I'm in a much better place now, more experienced and learnt a lot. Guys like Pat no doubt have a lot more experience than me. Pat has his own way about it and probably knows how to deal with FSW like an old hand at this game. However I feel I know enough to hold my own with most FSW now.

I think people that are positive and hence confident tend to be in well off place in life. A few may naturally have that outlook but generally it's something that is underpinned by their environment around them and experiences. A guy that knows he's on pretty solid ground of being able to bring decent money coming in whatever won't worry about negatives as much. He knows he will be able to sort any problem pretty much and still be well off enough. So he can afford to be positive & confident as problems aren't going to have much on an impact on him as they might someone else.

I think the 'lipstick on a pig' is a cliche that is not relevant here, it might seem so but I don't think so. I'm just wanting to come across as a serious prospect on meeting these women from the get go. To me it means less ground to make up over making a not so good impression.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on July 30, 2020, 12:45:30 PM
rosebud
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2020, 12:58:42 PM
rosebud

Er?

What do you reckon on the Armani Jacket I posted above?
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on July 30, 2020, 01:27:26 PM
good choice, but forget about Ukraine right now...
stay local, look at the BIGGEST local city closest to you
this is your trolling ground
learn how you advertise yourself there...

make an offer of refuge to a "house cleaner" give her room and board, for doing what she'd be doing anyway...
filter the results, talk on instagram,etc to check them out
take the hottest looking one
if you started today, you should be driving to her old apartment by the end of next month to pick her up



Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 30, 2020, 03:01:05 PM
good choice, but forget about Ukraine right now...
stay local, look at the BIGGEST local city closest to you
this is your trolling ground
learn how you advertise yourself there...

make an offer of refuge to a "house cleaner" give her room and board, for doing what she'd be doing anyway...
filter the results, talk on instagram,etc to check them out
take the hottest looking one
if you started today, you should be driving to her old apartment by the end of next month to pick her up

Thanks Krim :) Yeah I thought it seemed a good choice, would have to check it out to see it looks alright in store though. I know Ukraine is a problem at the moment as it's unsure if it might get closed off again or a big problem with the virus arise/be exposed.

I think things are going to get bad here in the near future with all the job loss announcements mounting up. I will have to think about what to do given the whole situation.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: BillyB on July 30, 2020, 04:04:47 PM

Here's a guy dressed sharp and still lost the girl to another guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3NjX8vpKwM
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 31, 2020, 06:37:03 AM
Here's a guy dressed sharp and still lost the girl to another guy.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j3NjX8vpKwM

I know, I could get the jacket but still not get the girl, I get what people are trying to say with that, that it's more than just about a jacket. I was just interested as sometimes getting a look in, in the first place can mean making a good first impression.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 31, 2020, 08:14:37 AM
I know, I could get the jacket but still not get the girl, I get what people are trying to say with that, that it's more than just about a jacket. I was just interested as sometimes getting a look in, in the first place can mean making a good first impression.

Go to a thrift store and buy your jacket. If you shop hard you can
find one that doesn't look too bad. Here's the trick wear it several
days and don't clean it. Then go back to the shop and donate it
back to them. They will clean it and put it back on the rack.

You can buy it back cheaper than you can get it cleaned!

You intend to buy a girl a cubic zirconia ring (and not tell her).
You need to find a girl who will like the real Trench. Even the
dullest girl will figure you out, so why not just show the real
you?

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Boethius on July 31, 2020, 05:36:32 PM
Italian suits only look good on very slim men. 


Having one good jacket isn't going to exactly knock down doors.



This post was composed without the aid of google.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on July 31, 2020, 10:20:42 PM
Trench, I want to point out that you unite folk on here like nothing else)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 01, 2020, 02:52:54 AM
Trench, I want to point out that you unite folk on here like nothing else)

Ah, I'm a force for unity unlike our irrepressible Oirishman ;D
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 01, 2020, 03:01:48 AM
Go to a thrift store and buy your jacket. If you shop hard you can
find one that doesn't look too bad. Here's the trick wear it several
days and don't clean it. Then go back to the shop and donate it
back to them. They will clean it and put it back on the rack.

You can buy it back cheaper than you can get it cleaned!

You intend to buy a girl a cubic zirconia ring (and not tell her).
You need to find a girl who will like the real Trench. Even the
dullest girl will figure you out, so why not just show the real
you?

Lol, that is funny Bill. Apparently some truth to it though, I've heard that if you go to one of these thrift stores and know what to look for you can pick yourself up a £1k suit secondhand for £/$60-80. Whether it looks nice/would suit me and fit right may be another matter though. I think I would generally prefer to pick what I like from new.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 01, 2020, 03:23:46 AM
Italian suits only look good on very slim men. 


Having one good jacket isn't going to exactly knock down doors.



This post was composed without the aid of google.

According to Krim women in Ukraine will really take note at that will be a good thing. I've heard that women in Ukraine take all this clothes fashion stuff real seriously from other sources too. Elena Petrova has said similar and so did the landlady of the apartment where I stayed with Kherson girl. No doubt there are a few western women that are that way also but probably not as numerous as in Ukraine.

You may have a point with the Armani though, I am a 6ft average sized guy, not real wide or anything but I'm no Ethiopian or Chinese guy either. All the way up to my late teens/early twenties I was quite skinny.

I would have to look at how it would look on me in store I may get away with it, would have to see. If not I may have to go for a Hugo Boss, go out looking like a German Panzer tank :D That or get an original SS storm trooper jacket! Now I'm sure that would certainly make an impression in Ukraine.

All this talk of being slim reminds me of when Hollister refused to do plus sizes for fat girls, lol.. that was pretty funny at the time :D
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on August 02, 2020, 12:01:51 AM
Trench,

What you glean from 'reading what UA women think, seems to suggest you may be reading dubious sources....

IF you are serious about meeting a women, you'd wear what you'd wear on a date, anywhere.

Buying a special jacket....?

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 02, 2020, 02:46:58 AM
Trench,

What you glean from 'reading what UA women think, seems to suggest you may be reading dubious sources....

IF you are serious about meeting a women, you'd wear what you'd wear on a date, anywhere.

Buying a special jacket....?

I get the point that the chemistry is either there or it isn't. That is what I originally thought but on considering the view of the above I have come to realise there may be reason to consider what I wear more closely.

I've seen it in the UK that even if there is chemistry with a girl that is just one step, an important one but just one step. Here there is A LOT more competition for a girl. A girl could feel chemistry for numerous guys along the way so she has a choice, the less a guy impresses the less likely she will go/stick with him.

In the FSU we are asking for a girl to leave behind anything she has there (assuming there is anything) and go with the guy. Most of the girls on dating sites are generally after guys that look the real deal, especially the prettier girls. To look a serious prospect the guy needs to impress and look the part.

All I'm saying is that the more a guy can impress from the outset the easier time a guy may have at it. After all the girl might otherwise just go for a local guy. It has often been said on here before the importance of a guy as a western guy standing apart from the local competition. When I was in Kiev that competition I saw was not that badly dressed, the guys there were in fact quite well dressed though they probably were wearing Turkish or Chinese stuff.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on August 02, 2020, 02:50:59 AM
Trench, dressing smart, is fine, but you need to impress her with your character....and your online persona / posts about what YOU think will pull has hardly 'worked'....

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 02, 2020, 03:29:53 AM
good choice, but forget about Ukraine right now...

Indeed, but if I was in Ukraine dressed exactly how that guy is dressed how do you think it would go down?

http://www.armani.com/gb/armanicom/emporio-armani/single-breasted-jacket-in-light-wool-seersucker_cod41959331or.html#dept=saleseason

Bearing in mind I'm kind of everyday looking so not exactly like the model type they have in the photo. Though I do have a full head of brown hair and am 6ft tall and not particularly wide/fat or anything, so build not too dissimilar to that guy I guess.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 02, 2020, 11:43:10 AM
Trench....

look at all the things women do JUST with their boobs to get attention
cleavage, side boobs, nipple outline....

to get a woman’s attention, is just the flip side of how they get yours
you want to look like a successful, strong man...
when I was your age, I wore these custom tailored inexpensive Ban-Lon sports shirts
they were made to be tight fitting to show off my v-shaped build
and the length of the sleeve was shortened because
I had a very powerful upper body build with large biceps
and with just the right amount displayed, plus wide open collar,
100% of women walking by me would “check me out”
then I could do this stretching move that raised my shirt up a bit to show my abs and then I watch their jaws drop...

but, that’s just the “hook”
after you hook a fish, ya gotta “reel em in”
that’s where CHARM comes to play...
I know how to sweet talk them, until they are quite literally eating out of my hand...
THEN, I plant the idea of sex in their head
and THEY know what to do next....

it’s that easy Trench

BTW, if you have dark hair, go with black or dark gray
some day I am going to wear my father's White Panama suit from the 1940s in Russia and see what kind of reaction I'll get
probably just a buncha samichkee sellin baboshka's will be chasin after me then
but some of 'em ain't too ba.... nahhhhh, nevermind

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 02, 2020, 02:02:58 PM
when I was your age, I wore these custom tailored inexpensive Ban-Lon sports shirts
they were made to be tight fitting to show off my v-shaped build
and the length of the sleeve was shortened because
I had a very powerful upper body build with large biceps
and with just the right amount displayed, plus wide open collar,
100% of women walking by me would “check me out”
then I could do this stretching move that raised my shirt up a bit to show my abs and then I watch their jaws drop...

What did you do to work out to be in such good shape?
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 02, 2020, 02:22:39 PM
Trench, back in the late 80s and 90s I had a REAL interesting job...
I was FAA and FCC certified to do the FAA legally required yearly Airport Radar Calibration and Certification Procedure nation wide...
this job was mainly seasonal, but because almost everyone else was 20 years or more older than me
none of THEM wanted to climb the radar towers
so not only did I make $150 hour performing repair and calibration of Radar LNA amplifiers that are part of the antenna
I had also developed incredible upper and lower body strength from climbing and hauling equipment thousands of tower feet per month
I became massively strong


Trench,
you want to awaken a woman’s sexual instinct towards you?

you FIRST do it it visually...
by showing her a handsome, powerful, strong, successful, prosperous MAN...
then when her curiosity causes her to come closer to you...
then, you CHARM her.....

you are funny, intelligent, well traveled, and obviously to her, wealthy AND a foreigner!
and that makes you someone REALLY unique, unlike anyone else she has EVER met...
highly exotic...
what’s it feel like to you when you meet a good lookin exotic woman?
seriously guys, you totally underestimate your value IF you “play your cards right” in Russia
imagine you are some poor dumb phuque redneck somewhere
and then one day you’re out walking to the market, and you see a tall Swedish Bikini Model
that’s the kinda power you CAN have, IF you have the look in Russia
I know this for a 100% fact, OK...

then...
all ya gotta do is go have fun with her!!!

the second time I met my wife, it was in the winter...
and I took her to this big outdoor market and I bought a sled
I put it in the back of the trunk of the car and drove to the biggest hill in Kyiv
on a street called Hrushevskoho Street
and we went sledding all the way down that hill we must’ve been doing 40 mph
it was almost suicidal, we went airborn a couple of times

by the end of the day, we both accidentally ended up getting drenched in water
completely soaked in the dead of winter in Kyiv...
we quickly drove back to the house I was staying at
which fortunately had an old fireplace
my then girlfriend had the fire going in no time and then the next thing she did
she stripped me completely naked from my wet clothes
and made me stand next to the fire
then she did the same

then she started “looking at my you-know-what” out of the corner of her eye
and then I realized she deliberately made us crash in the lake
just so we’d be doing this!!

my wife was the only woman who ever played ME like that
and so she got to see my junk at the same time that I saw hers
first woman who ever did that to me in Ukraine
and weird that I ended up marrying her
but I'm sure it's not coincidental



 
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 03, 2020, 04:14:47 AM
Trench, back in the late 80s and 90s I had a REAL interesting job...
I was FAA and FCC certified to do the FAA legally required yearly Airport Radar Calibration and Certification Procedure nation wide...
this job was mainly seasonal, but because almost everyone else was 20 years or more older than me
none of THEM wanted to climb the radar towers
so not only did I make $150 hour performing repair and calibration of Radar LNA amplifiers that are part of the antenna
I had also developed incredible upper and lower body strength from climbing and hauling equipment thousands of tower feet per month
I became massively strong


Trench,
you want to awaken a woman’s sexual instinct towards you?

you FIRST do it it visually...
by showing her a handsome, powerful, strong, successful, prosperous MAN...
then when her curiosity causes her to come closer to you...
then, you CHARM her.....

you are funny, intelligent, well traveled, and obviously to her, wealthy AND a foreigner!
and that makes you someone REALLY unique, unlike anyone else she has EVER met...
highly exotic...
what’s it feel like to you when you meet a good lookin exotic woman?
seriously guys, you totally underestimate your value IF you “play your cards right” in Russia
imagine you are some poor dumb phuque redneck somewhere
and then one day you’re out walking to the market, and you see a tall Swedish Bikini Model
that’s the kinda power you CAN have, IF you have the look in Russia
I know this for a 100% fact, OK...

then...
all ya gotta do is go have fun with her!!!

Thanks Krim :) Yep I see what I am doing wrong now. Though I generally like the stuff Kherson girl picked out for me I see that wearing it in Ukraine on subsequent trips was probably a mistake. I didn't wear it all the time of course but instead I should have worn some more higher end smart western clothing to stand out from the locals but in a good way.

I think having a job where you were able to exercise heavily is a good thing. It sounds like that job you had with the radar stations was perfect as it allowed you to exercise the upper body a lot which of course is what gets noticed the most. Unfortunately most jobs these days are ones sat down doing office stuff which is the worst for exercise really. I get to move around a bit in my job but it's still mostly at the desk and the exercise is never the upper body stuff that I need. I getting around to using my home gym stuff but I think I would probably be best trying to find a way of bringing upper body exercise into my everyday routine somehow.

I most appreciate your help Krim, that was a really good post. It helps to show how combining dress, physic, success and fun can turn into a winning combination with a girl :D
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 03, 2020, 07:36:00 AM
Trench, me bruv...
you’ve been living your life in a hole man...figure out how climb outta that hole
and go and live your life

keep trying, and don't worry,
there's no such thing as failure
only LEARNING how to succeed from mistakes
each effort, takes you a little closer to where you want to be...
until you can finally reach out and seize your destiny
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 05, 2020, 01:06:00 AM
Trench, me bruv...
you’ve been living your life in a hole man...figure out how climb outta that hole
and go and live your life

keep trying, and don't worry,
there's no such thing as failure
only LEARNING how to succeed from mistakes
each effort, takes you a little closer to where you want to be...
until you can finally reach out and seize your destiny

Thanks Krim, yeah I have realised from what you have been saying that I really need to broaden out stuff I do. In the past I have tended to focus a lot just on one interest at a time but now I see that I would be better off finding many interests or life can end up a bit dull. I have some ideas on what I would like to do in the near future. Converting my house is nearing the end thank goodness, it's taken a lot longer than I had hoped for but once done should free me up a lot more. I should be done on it before Christmas and then have a lot more time free to develop my life in a more interesting way and develop myself by improving in different aspects of myself :)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: BC on August 05, 2020, 05:22:02 AM
A lot of what others have described as being self-confident, able to assert oneself is not about changing anything or trying to be something else.  It is more about learning to accept what we are and learn to use even few good qualities we already have to their full potential.

Silicone and Botox or sexy outfit rarely make a woman more than momentarily attractive IMO.   Often, I have found unusual physical features, or even defects much more attractive than perfection.  All depends on how she carries herself and comes across when she starts talking.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 05, 2020, 08:17:48 AM
A lot of what others have described as being self-confident, able to assert oneself is not about changing anything or trying to be something else.  It is more about learning to accept what we are and learn to use even few good qualities we already have to their full potential.

Silicone and Botox or sexy outfit rarely make a woman more than momentarily attractive IMO.   Often, I have found unusual physical features, or even defects much more attractive than perfection.  All depends on how she carries herself and comes across when she starts talking.

I find such curious but not attractive, curious enough to look long enough to observe the strangeness of such that it might be mistaken as the similar length of time someone might look as if they were attractive.

I find it a cliche when people bang on about its how someone being confident with yourself, bla, bla, bla. The way someone comes across is generally defined by their genes. Beyond that it is defined by the choices they make in life contributing to how they come across. After that there is behaviour that can be learned or decided upon. A person being confident when they don't come across well won't make any difference.

We must also remember we are talking about women here and not just people in general. Women are drawn by certain aspects of men just as men are drawn by certain aspects of women. Women crave guys with bulging biceps and toned and, guys crave women who are pretty looking facially. Now you can't say that pretty women don't get far more men interested in them than ugly or fat girls? Or do you really see guys craving after fat or ugly girls that are confident, lol.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: GQBlues on August 05, 2020, 09:47:04 AM
I find such curious but not attractive, curious enough to look long enough to observe the strangeness of such that it might be mistaken as the similar length of time someone might look as if they were attractive.

I find it a cliche when people bang on about its how someone being confident with yourself, bla, bla, bla. The way someone comes across is generally defined by their genes. Beyond that it is defined by the choices they make in life contributing to how they come across. After that there is behaviour that can be learned or decided upon. A person being confident when they don't come across well won't make any difference.

We must also remember we are talking about women here and not just people in general. Women are drawn by certain aspects of men just as men are drawn by certain aspects of women. Women crave guys with bulging biceps and toned and, guys crave women who are pretty looking facially. Now you can't say that pretty women don't get far more men interested in them than ugly or fat girls? Or do you really see guys craving after fat or ugly girls that are confident, lol.

If you feel so right about what you speak - why are things so wrong for you at present?
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 05, 2020, 11:23:04 AM
If you feel so right about what you speak - why are things so wrong for you at present?

I need to work on some stuff so I can get to where I need to be. Some stuff I have done, some stuff I am doing and other stuff I am going to do. Once there I should be in a better position.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on August 05, 2020, 11:37:21 AM
Trench,

You were advised to socialise more over a year ago...

Still with the 'excuses' and crap 'fating advice'
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 05, 2020, 11:40:16 AM
Trench,

You were advised to socialise more over a year ago...

Still with the 'excuses' and crap 'fating advice'

I'm not talking about socialising, I'm talking about other aspects. I'm talking about the stuff has been talking about above, getting in shape, looking good, doing more activities, and other stuff. As soon as I finish my house conversion I'll be making a move on that stuff.
Title: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 05, 2020, 02:36:30 PM
I'm not talking about socialising, I'm talking about other aspects. I'm talking about the stuff has been talking about above, getting in shape, looking good, doing more activities, and other stuff. As soon as I finish my house conversion I'll be making a move on that stuff.

Have you put off getting in shape or studying Russian because of
your house remuddling/conversion? You are just making excuses
if you are. Getting in shape starts now. You can go for a walk, do
sit ups etc. The same for studying Russian.

Another look to consider  :D
(http://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-50296419239695/pmp01-men-s-pimp-suit-red-green-or-purple-14.gif)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 05, 2020, 03:23:08 PM
Have you put off getting in shape or studying Russian because of
your house remuddling/conversion? You are just making excuses
if you are. Getting in shape starts now. You can go for a walk, do
sit ups etc. The same for studying Russian.

Another look to consider  :D
(http://sep.yimg.com/ay/yhst-50296419239695/pmp01-men-s-pimp-suit-red-green-or-purple-14.gif)

Lol, I think that is Elton John, I don't want to dress like a gay guy!

Well the gyms closed, I was making some progress building up arm muscles. I've got some home gym stuff in but have had all sorts of problems that meant that O keep having to forgo using it. Hopefully this Friday I will get back on track using it. Russian I have been learning off and on, the present situation has put me off a bit since I don't know if I will be able to get out there again for sure. Cities in the UK are going into Lockdown, I'm ok as I'm out in the countryside. Spain tried to rejuvenate it's tourism industry only for virus numbers to rise. So I'm not sure if travel will be a long term option. I need to try and get back into a routine of doing this stuff to get it back on track.

The house conversion has been pretty full on demand on me. I'm kind of anxious to get it finished now to get it off my hands if only to get some time back for myself and reverse the spend out to money in. Then that's when I should have a lot more scope rather than a few minutes here and there with stuff.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 06, 2020, 12:44:50 PM
I have been learning off and on, 
I need to try and get back into a routine
of doing this stuff to get it back on track.

You are making excuses.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 06, 2020, 02:43:16 PM
You are making excuses.

Not at all, there are practicalities I have to work with through or it just won't work.

At the moment I can get passed having to quarantine in Ukraine but when I return to the UK I must self isolate for 14 days. I don't have enough leave left to cover that at work and going to work would be risky as it could then be proved that I wasn't self-isolating and potentially thrown in the slammer and most probably lose my job.

Once my house conversion is complete I can rent out some rooms, before too long I could probably knock work on the head for a bit and go out to Ukraine. Given the employment situation though I would have to be very sure before doing that. I would be better of doing the travel as holiday until I'm certain.

If testing becomes better in the UK that I can use that to avoid a 14 self isolation or Ukraine gets added to the list of countries I don't have to self quarantine then I would seriously consider going. Ukraine should be on that list as in theory if the figures are to be believed it is in a better situation with the virus than many EU countries who are on the non quarantine on return list.

Hopefully matters will change, believe me I would love to get it on with a girl in Ukraine if only to zip up the mouth on that Oirish blagger ;)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on August 07, 2020, 12:40:11 AM
Trench has been making excuses for years, now.

Others theorise FAR less and found a wife already...
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 07, 2020, 07:18:04 PM
look, I have a couple of spare clues here...
so I can afford to be generous and give one to y’all

whatever or WHOEVER YOU ARE
is WHO YOU WILL ATTRACT IN RETURN

simple as that

if you are down somewhere “on the bottom”
well....
don’t expect to attract someone on the top
horrosho?

OTOH, if you are “top shelf”
then the sky is the limit in Russia
and if you’re a MAN
you can live any kinda erotic lifestyle you please, as long as you can afford it

this is what I’ve learned from the ole empirical observation method
as evidenced many times all over Moscva

but Before Corona, all these slavic cities in the East were paradises
and then there were places like Budapest, OMG!!! the women there
I even learned Hungarian to hit on them
literal sex goddesses

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 08, 2020, 03:53:27 AM
look, I have a couple of spare clues here...
so I can afford to be generous and give one to y’all

whatever or WHOEVER YOU ARE
is WHO YOU WILL ATTRACT IN RETURN

simple as that

if you are down somewhere “on the bottom”
well....
don’t expect to attract someone on the top
horrosho?

OTOH, if you are “top shelf”
then the sky is the limit in Russia
and if you’re a MAN
you can live any kinda erotic lifestyle you please, as long as you can afford it

this is what I’ve learned from the ole empirical observation method
as evidenced many times all over Moscva

but Before Corona, all these slavic cities in the East were paradises
and then there were places like Budapest, OMG!!! the women there
I even learned Hungarian to hit on them
literal sex goddesses

Generally I think that is pretty true for probably around 90 percent of people in terms of looks at least. Other factors can come into play such as wealth, social skills etc but even then a lot of people will end up with someone who is similar on the looks scale to them. So a guy who is an everyday 5 will commonly get a girl who is an everyday 5. Some guys who get into positions of high social status can get women that are more attractive than them. Guys like Donald Trump etc though I wouldn't know how attractive women find Donald Trump on looks alone.

I think there are ways to beat the system  if you know what to look out for, and what to do, potentially.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Grumpy on August 08, 2020, 06:56:46 PM
Forget the jacket, Trench. Arrange you meet-ups in a nudist area, no expensive wardrobe needed. I recommend leaving your laptop and other devices at your apartment. ;D

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/07/german-nudist-chases-wild-boar-that-stole-laptop-berlin-teufelssee
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 09, 2020, 09:59:32 AM

Well the gyms closed ...................
but have had all sorts of problems ...............
keep having to forgo using it.
Hopefully this Friday I will get back on track using it. Russian I have been learning the present situation has put me off .....................
I'm not sure ...............

Excuses, excuses and more excuses. 

You work at a part time job and you can't figure out how to
exercise or learn a bit of Russian? Make flash cards, take a
long fast walk, do push ups and sit ups and believe me you
will improve on every level.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 10, 2020, 02:28:17 AM
Excuses, excuses and more excuses. 

You work at a part time job and you can't figure out how to
exercise or learn a bit of Russian? Make flash cards, take a
long fast walk, do push ups and sit ups and believe me you
will improve on every level.

I lifted weights for an hour at least once a week for over a year. I had some slight improvement in the arms but that is all. I doubt going on some long fast walks and push ups and press ups will improve me at all. I'm going to try and get back to the weight lifting at home however I think I have one of those bodies that isn't easily shaped by such.

I'll try to find time to continue learning Russian soon. I just lost the motivation a bit as it's not clear whether going out to the FSU will be feasible in the long run because f the virus. I don't use flash cards, I tried them and found they didn't work well, I'm trying to build up a conversational knowledge of the language.

Stuff is coming about it's just taking a bit of time.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: msmob on August 10, 2020, 03:59:42 AM
Trench,

I walked miles nr your love pad and in the Gower over the weekend and lost a notch on my belt.  ;)

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 10, 2020, 08:36:10 AM
I lifted weights for an hour at least once a week for over a year.

Once a week? That's program? Why don't you learn ONE Russian word
per year, in only 500 years you might know enough to have a caveman
type conversation.

What did you think I was suggesting?

Here is a REAL program: Make ZERO excuses for a whole week.
Exercise 6 days per week, study Russian 6-7 days per week for
an hour each day. 6 hours of exercise per week and 7 hours of
Russian per week.

OR this
100 situps per day and 100 push ups per day. 45 minute fast
walk per day. ONE day off of exercise per week.
10 Russian words per day. ONE day of practicing with a Russian
girl.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 10, 2020, 01:09:54 PM
Trench, that's NOT trying....
what do you do with your time?
when I was your age, I was working 80 hour weeks in silicon valley
and making a ton of money back in those days

consider money to be the ultimate "social lubricant"
to minimize your living friction
be willing to go where "no man has gone before"
and you'll end up being first
do you know the guy's name who came to the new world right after Columbus?
no?
me neither...
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 10, 2020, 01:21:44 PM
Trench,

I walked miles nr your love pad and in the Gower over the weekend and lost a notch on my belt.  ;)

That's great Mobe but I'm not talking about some old boy losing a bit of his bear belly here. I'm talking about getting 'ripped' as the saying goes ;)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Patagonie on August 11, 2020, 12:50:59 AM
Trenchcoat : 

5440 psts x 15 minutes (average time to write a post and read some others) = 81600 minutes.
Time spent at work per year 1600 hours 
Time spend on rwd = 1360 hours
 
Don't see the problem?
 
1360 hours barely one year full time learning russian which in my opinion would give a serious B1, largely enough to have a conversationnal level.
1360 hours ? Largely enough to go to socials and go to several workshops to learn the game.
 
The things you should have start beginning of 2016 : social dynamics and russian. Because it needs a long time to go. House you can do this any week.

 


Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 11, 2020, 03:00:14 AM
Trenchcoat : 

5440 psts x 15 minutes (average time to write a post and read some others) = 81600 minutes.
Time spent at work per year 1600 hours 
Time spend on rwd = 1360 hours
 
Don't see the problem?
 
1360 hours barely one year full time learning russian which in my opinion would give a serious B1, largely enough to have a conversationnal level.
1360 hours ? Largely enough to go to socials and go to several workshops to learn the game.
 
The things you should have start beginning of 2016 : social dynamics and russian. Because it needs a long time to go. House you can do this any week.

Time spent on RWD most important of all ;D

I know, I wish I spent more time back in 2016 on learning Russian. I went for the cheap, i.e free option of learning from free online resources when I should have paid good money for some better learning resources. I have those resources now but often I am too tired out to spend decent time on them. Theoretically I only need to spend half an hour or so each day on it but it's finding half an hour when I'm not knackered. The idea that it might all be in vain if I can't get back to the FSU isn't a motivating one either.

I know ML previously said that learning the language is not as important as spending time getting better income. For me I think learning the language is important though I can see where he is coming from on that one. I think at least some language learning is a real help and setting aside half an hour or so whenever possible at reasonably frequent occasions is a good idea.

The house really needed to be converted, it was a one bedder and in need of doing up anyway. I needed a house with a bit more scope than a one bedder to give me more scope and to look decent to a FSW. It is now around a 3 bedroom house :) I don't intend to stop there but to use it as a springboard to move onto bigger and better. Currently the housing market is good around here as it's a place just a bit outside Cardiff so benefits now as being outside a big city that many are looking to move away from because of the virus. So it's already worth over double of what I paid for it. Now I'm sure you understand I can't go to a FSW with a one bedder that is not in a great state. I'm having to redo the garden in all of this so it looks decent enough too.

Now most of the time I'm on RWD I'm either at work or on break time or odd few minutes of the day I couldn't really spend on much else so the efficiency there is evident. I joke about RWD above but in all honesty you guys have helped me a lot and I've learnt a lot in here as well as me bringing important topics to light I think. So I wouldn't class it as unimportant. Understanding the terrain can be worth more than learning the language, fitness, etc. After all if someone does not know what to do when with a FSW and what the environment is like he is operating in then he can fail time and again without working out why.

Seriously if I could squeeze any language learning, fitness stuff in sooner I would but sometimes it's best to finish off one labour intensive task so that it gives time to allow for other stuff to happen.
Title: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 11, 2020, 12:06:14 PM
do you know the guy's name who came to the new world right after Columbus?
no?
me neither...

Gold, solid gold!

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 11, 2020, 12:17:10 PM
That's great Mobe but I'm not talking about some old boy losing a bit of his bear belly here. I'm talking about getting 'ripped' as the saying goes ;)


I know, I wish...............
I have those resources now but often I am too tired....................
but it's finding half an hour when I'm not knackered.............
if I can't get ..................
if I could ......................
but ...............................


One day of workout per week isn't going to make you much better
than you are now, certainly not ripped. I've played college basketball
and have been trained by experts.

You make more excuses than a Russian girl who doesn't want to give
out her phone number. Either you want this or you don't. You sorta
want this as long as you aren't arsed to do anything about it.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 11, 2020, 01:10:36 PM
Trench,
back about when I was your age, I went to some of the non-European parts of the FSU like Oozbeckastan, kazakstan, and the Russian Far East...

there’s a whole class of women in these places who are mixed eurasian
who would do pretty much ANYTHING to keep a simple white boy like you “HAPPY"
but, OMG, you will HAVE to be their teacher
because their behavior will be well outside the norms of polite British society

if you’re planning on bringing one home, pick one that doesn get VIOLENT when angry
and LISTENS to you and wants to fit in and get their own British friends
otherwise “shine them on” but be REAL careful how you “break-up” with these women
some of them could kill you!!!

all you really have to do, is just “be nice” to these women, and show them a good time
while at the same time “pretend" to have NO sexual interest in them at the beginning
and the first moment they are alone with you, 100% their undies magically fall off
because they have no other way to get your attention more or less

what a rush!
because these women are actually REALLY beautiful
they just have a REALLY strong “white boy complex”
and you just happen to be the most interesting White Boy they've "come across"
and the only one from your country
so of course THEY WANT YOU as much as the other way 'round
the easiest sex you will ever experience is in these places
just go and stand somewhere and wait for them to come to you
100% THEY will come to YOU!

pic of some random 'stan money I recently found

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 11, 2020, 03:19:36 PM

One day of workout per week isn't going to make you much better
than you are now, certainly not ripped. I've played college basketball
and have been trained by experts.

You make more excuses than a Russian girl who doesn't want to give
out her phone number. Either you want this or you don't. You sorta
want this as long as you aren't arsed to do anything about it.

So what is the tipping point where on average the average guy will get ripped? Do I have to do one hundred sit ups and press ups per day as you suggest? It's not that I couldn't but that it would take a lot of time out of my schedule and it would probably likely be tedious for me to do. A long fast walk I could do, probably less tedious but still a lot of time out of my schedule.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 11, 2020, 03:30:48 PM
So what is the tipping point where on average the average guy will get ripped? Do I have to do one hundred sit ups and press ups per day as you suggest? It's not that I couldn't but that it would take a lot of time out of my schedule and it would probably likely be tedious for me to do. A long fast walk I could do, probably less tedious but still a lot of time out of my schedule.

100 situps and pushups and the walk each day is just to improve yourself

What's your definition of ripped? 

My definition would cost 1.5 hours per day 5 days a week minimum.
You can improve yourself with less.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 11, 2020, 03:55:12 PM
100 situps and pushups and the walk each day is just to improve yourself

What's your definition of ripped? 

My definition would cost 1.5 hours per day 5 days a week minimum.
You can improve yourself with less.

Yeah but they say you need to give your muscles a rest between workouts so that the damage done has a chance to repair itself and form muscle. They say about an hour or so two or three times per week is optimal.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 11, 2020, 04:15:35 PM

What's your definition of ripped? 

Ok something along the lines of this guy:

http://tinyurl.com/y5rwty6c

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Davo on August 11, 2020, 05:16:53 PM
Ok something along the lines of this guy:

Trench, like Bill when I was younger 16-19, I was on the verge of being drafted to the AFL. Unfortunately I had a run of injuries that put an end to that. I trained and worked out with professional guidance and had a similar physique to the guy in the picture. To achieve that it took 6 weight sessions of 1-2 hours a week and 30 km of running for cardio because I was an on the ball player.

Sure you have to rest your muscles, but that’s why you do arms and chest one day, legs the next day then back the following day. Also if you’re not strictly sticking to your diet and putting the right food and supplements in your body, you will struggle for results. If you want to look like that guy in 3 years (that’s what’s required.... a daily comment for years) it takes dedication, sacrifice, time and for most a lifestyle change indefinitely. To maintain that physique you will need to keep up the daily gym routine for life. At 19 I’d stopped working out and by age 22 I’d lost all my gains.

My Apartment neighbour in Russia is a body builder and he spends  a minimum of 4 hours in the gym a day and 6 hours leading up to  a competition. He still managed to hold down a full time job and 2 girlfriends. 

On the sit ups / push ups..... If you can’t smash out 100 of each in 10-15 minutes after a two week build up you’re not trying. It’s like everything in life if you put in the effort you will see results. That goes for losing weight, building muscle, making more money and even dating.  If you do it half arsed you’ll achieve nothing.
 
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 11, 2020, 07:59:16 PM
why not get paid for working out?
seriously, do roofing
if you work everyday, 100% you will get a workout
you need to be able to lift 160 lb of shingles onto your shoulder and balance
while you RUN up the ladder with it
and then hammer these shingles with a heavy hammer
do this 5 days or 6 days a week for 6 months
and you will be ROCK SOLID...
and if you had worked continuously for 6 months , you'd almost have enough for a house down payment as well
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 11, 2020, 10:15:51 PM

One day of workout per week isn't going to make you much better
than you are now, certainly not ripped. I've played college basketball
and have been trained by experts.

You make more excuses than a Russian girl who doesn't want to give
out her phone number. Either you want this or you don't. You sorta
want this as long as you aren't arsed to do anything about it.

This is off topic, just curious who did you play college basketball for? And how many years? Don't think I would last one season. College sports can be very arduous I imagine.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 11, 2020, 10:21:01 PM
Trench, like Bill when I was younger 16-19, I was on the verge of being drafted to the AFL. Unfortunately I had a run of injuries that put an end to that. I trained and worked out with professional guidance and had a similar physique to the guy in the picture. To achieve that it took 6 weight sessions of 1-2 hours a week and 30 km of running for cardio because I was an on the ball player.

Sure you have to rest your muscles, but that’s why you do arms and chest one day, legs the next day then back the following day. Also if you’re not strictly sticking to your diet and putting the right food and supplements in your body, you will struggle for results. If you want to look like that guy in 3 years (that’s what’s required.... a daily comment for years) it takes dedication, sacrifice, time and for most a lifestyle change indefinitely. To maintain that physique you will need to keep up the daily gym routine for life. At 19 I’d stopped working out and by age 22 I’d lost all my gains.

My Apartment neighbour in Russia is a body builder and he spends  a minimum of 4 hours in the gym a day and 6 hours leading up to  a competition. He still managed to hold down a full time job and 2 girlfriends. 

On the sit ups / push ups..... If you can’t smash out 100 of each in 10-15 minutes after a two week build up you’re not trying. It’s like everything in life if you put in the effort you will see results. That goes for losing weight, building muscle, making more money and even dating.  If you do it half arsed you’ll achieve nothing.

I prefer women who like me exactly as I am, fortunately I find those because being somewhat cocky and charming works great.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 11, 2020, 10:32:22 PM
why not get paid for working out?
seriously, do roofing
if you work everyday, 100% you will get a workout
you need to be able to lift 160 lb of shingles onto your shoulder and balance
while you RUN up the ladder with it
and then hammer these shingles with a heavy hammer
do this 5 days or 6 days a week for 6 months
and you will be ROCK SOLID...
and if you had worked continuously for 6 months , you'd almost have enough for a house down payment as well

Previously weren't you climbing towers for air traffic controllers and now you're claiming you were a roofer? Which one was it?

                   
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 11, 2020, 10:38:01 PM
Forget the jacket, Trench. Arrange you meet-ups in a nudist area, no expensive wardrobe needed. I recommend leaving your laptop and other devices at your apartment. ;D

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/aug/07/german-nudist-chases-wild-boar-that-stole-laptop-berlin-teufelssee

Hilarious article but human interest
is the only thing of value at "the Guardian" a prog tabloid otherwise.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 11, 2020, 10:55:22 PM
Trench, like Bill when I was younger 16-19, I was on the verge of being drafted to the AFL. Unfortunately I had a run of injuries that put an end to that. I trained and worked out with professional guidance and had a similar physique to the guy in the picture. To achieve that it took 6 weight sessions of 1-2 hours a week and 30 km of running for cardio because I was an on the ball player.

Sure you have to rest your muscles, but that’s why you do arms and chest one day, legs the next day then back the following day. Also if you’re not strictly sticking to your diet and putting the right food and supplements in your body, you will struggle for results.

Thanks Davo it's good to finally have a better idea of what the tipping point may be :) I see now from what you put the sort of extra work I would have to do. I'm just kind of interested in upper body half, so chest and muscles mostly. Do you reckon if I did 3 sessions of upper body work (for an hour or so) with the free weights I could look like that guy, upper body wise in about 2-3 years?

My diet is not too bad, I improved it a bit though I regressed a bit recently but I think I know what to do now to make it a bit better. Kind of interesting to know that it takes so long and the commitment needed. Some guys I kind of had the impression that they work out a little then bingo it all pops up lol.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 11, 2020, 11:05:28 PM
why not get paid for working out?
seriously, do roofing
if you work everyday, 100% you will get a workout
you need to be able to lift 160 lb of shingles onto your shoulder and balance
while you RUN up the ladder with it
and then hammer these shingles with a heavy hammer
do this 5 days or 6 days a week for 6 months
and you will be ROCK SOLID...
and if you had worked continuously for 6 months , you'd almost have enough for a house down payment as well

Yeah, working out whilst getting paid for it isn't a bad idea. Being a roofer would not suit me as I don't like heights and it can be dangerous. I would want to avoid stuff where I could potentially end up in a worse state.

The other issue is that I dare'nt leave my job at the moment. It's a pretty easy going but also pretty secure job at a time when a lot of people are losing their jobs. I would be jumping from the fat into the fire if I left I think. Only becoming very wealthy would make me want to leave my job at the moment. I get the point though if I brought muscle building into my everyday life through work it would be a much more natural and easier fit :)
Title: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 12, 2020, 06:08:28 AM
Yeah but they say you need to give your muscles a rest between workouts so that the damage done has a chance to repair itself and form muscle. They say about an hour or so two or three times per week is optimal.

Nobody says that. You twist things around so that you can be extra
lazy. If somebody says 4-5 your mind says 2-3 because it's easier.
Go back and read what you've written in a previous post. You worked
out ONE DAY per week. Nobody told you 2 days, yet
your plan was one day.

They say the MINIMUM is three days per week. The absolute bare
minimum. The optimum is 6 days per week with ONE day of rest.
Cardio and your core should be every day.

It's totally idiotic to only workout your upper body. You selected
that idea so that you could be more lazy.

Nobody says two.

You are doing Europe on $2.50 per day again. You are as poor as
a church mouse, yet here is something that costs almost nothing.

You can't be poor (and you are) AND lazy AND have mediocre
social skills AND put in little effort AND try every shortcut AND
have no common sense AND make excuses AND believe that
you can have somebody young and attractive AND find a girl
who wants you to be in charge AND be a man with screwed up
beliefs about roles in a relationship AND who wants you to make
a baby inside of them.

Trench you need to do the maximum at everything to have a
chance not 30% of the absolute bare minimum.

How frequently do you take a shower or brush your teeth? Once
per month? Twice? Do you know in the middle ages they took one
bath per year? Why should you do more than them? Do you know
that pheromones part of what attract women? Yet you are washing
those valuable pheromones off during your frequent trimonthly
showering.

The guys on this forum have spent many hours giving you advice
that you ignore unless you can twist it into something that means
less effort on your part.

Right now, I could walk into the kitchen and kiss my beautiful
wife on the neck and she will really, really, really like it. Yet here
I am dispensing advice for you to ignore.

My wife's neck is going to get kissed right now.
I've wasted enough cyber time on you.

Zdravyy smysl, poprobuyte!

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2020, 08:00:46 AM
“I prefer women who like me exactly as I am, fortunately I find those because being somewhat cocky and charming works great. “



I’m guessing that’s just part of the reason why YOU are, have been, and always will remain an INCEL...
who will receive ALL his sexual gratification from watching porn coupled with obsessive over-masturbation
which leads to severe mental impairment!!
and that there’s a LOT more to go along with that,
I mean, besides your delusions and wishful thinking about "one day" finding an actual girlfriend....

fortunately, for human society, your chance of reproducing
is very, very, small, kinda like your “you know what”




“Previously weren't you climbing towers for air traffic controllers and now you're claiming you were a roofer? Which one was it?

BOTH, and several more besides that, including military service....
I’ve mastered THINGS you haven’t even heard of yet, so move along sonny there must be a QAnon blog somewhere for you to post your pro-Trump ass kissing nonsense

Cornfed, don't assume other people are always gonna be "just like you"
sometimes you meet somone who isn't

what were you doing when you were 18, Confed?
I was serving my country on the Thailand/Vietnam border as a radar operator
look how bad-ass I looked when I was 18
scary huh?
that’s why I was recruited into a special program
created by rogue West Point officers to take over the drug trade in the Golden Triangle under the guise of fighting communism, which ironically enough we were actually doing as well
because they happened to also be the competition

I was the perfect baby faced killer
no one looking at me, could ever in a million years guess I was there to kill them (especially when I dressed in expensive civilian clothes and fake thick framed glasses, hair dyed a different color)
ironic with my family's background in the top level of the Philadelphia Jewish Mafia in the bootlegging business
the first "gang" I worked for was the US military
and we made GOOD money in those days
and the contacts we forged and knowledge gained was worth even more later!

so no, I'm not really much like you Confed...
when the pic below was taken, I'd already killed people in two countries and I was just 18 yr old
that number is larger now, of course...


Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 12, 2020, 10:08:14 AM
Nobody says that. You twist things around so that you can be extra
lazy. If somebody says 4-5 your mind says 2-3 because it's easier.
Go back and read what you've written in a previous post. You worked
out ONE DAY per week. Nobody told you 2 days, yet
your plan was one day.

They say the MINIMUM is three days per week. The absolute bare
minimum. The optimum is 6 days per week with ONE day of rest.
Cardio and your core should be every day.

It's totally idiotic to only workout your upper body. You selected
that idea so that you could be more lazy.

Nobody says two.

You are doing Europe on $2.50 per day again. You are as poor as
a church mouse, yet here is something that costs almost nothing.

You can't be poor (and you are) AND lazy AND have mediocre
social skills AND put in little effort AND try every shortcut AND
have no common sense AND make excuses AND believe that
you can have somebody young and attractive AND find a girl
who wants you to be in charge AND be a man with screwed up
beliefs about roles in a relationship AND who wants you to make
a baby inside of them.

Trench you need to do the maximum at everything to have a
chance not 30% of the absolute bare minimum.

How frequently do you take a shower or brush your teeth? Once
per month? Twice? Do you know in the middle ages they took one
bath per year? Why should you do more than them? Do you know
that pheromones part of what attract women? Yet you are washing
those valuable pheromones off during your frequent trimonthly
showering.

The guys on this forum have spent many hours giving you advice
that you ignore unless you can twist it into something that means
less effort on your part.

Right now, I could walk into the kitchen and kiss my beautiful
wife on the neck and she will really, really, really like it. Yet here
I am dispensing advice for you to ignore.

My wife's neck is going to get kissed right now.
I've wasted enough cyber time on you.

Zdravyy smysl, poprobuyte!

Well I started off doing gym three times a week for one hour. My employer changed my hours so I could only then fit in gym two times a week. Then my Employer changed my hours again! So then I could only do gym once a week.

Then the Coronavirus came along and there is no way I'm going to the gym for a long while. So I'm going to have to do the gym stuff at home. Problems have gotten in the way but they (hopefully) should be resolved now by which I mean maintenance stuff needing doing and making the place a bit more secure as the economy goes south.

Now theoretically I could still get in three sessions of home gym a week but there is nearly always some other stuff that needs doing so one is more likely. If I get the chance I will try and get back to doing it two or three times a week. I do a fair bit of exercise doing my house up so any small gains I've got I have probably mostly still kept.

Thank you for the insight though Bill I much appreciate it, it gives me a better idea of where I need to get to and what sort of input is required :)

I know you think I'm being lazy but improving myself in all areas more or less at the same time means my time is split and I only have so much time to devote to each hence why the results in some areas have been a bit mediocre. The way I view it though is better to get going in all areas so then at least I improve at least a little there rather than it at all.

My ultimate goal is to come across more impressive in all areas to the ladies.
Title: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 12, 2020, 11:36:15 AM
Well I started off doing gym three times a week for one hour.

You started out doing the absolute bare minimum. The least amount
that ANYBODY would ever recommend.

(http://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/89/58/288958b9cd6842ecc9eaf5bae3df4c32.jpg)


My employer changed my hours so I could only then fit in gym two times a week. Then my Employer changed my hours again! So then I could only do gym once a week.

You work part time. How many hours a week is it? 20?
You are making silly excuses. You really, really, really
sound like a 13 year old boy explaining why he did a
mediocre job cutting the yard and skipped over a few
spots.

Do you want to list your work hours for the last week for the
peanut gallery here to tear you apart?

Stop with the excuses, snowflakes need not apply.

(http://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-evajlb/products/416/images/1755/TNT-5769_No_Excuses_Just_Results-1_copy__46876.1493088204.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

Then the Coronavirus came along and there is no way I'm going to the
gym for a long while.

More excuses? Seriously? Do you think that there is a single member
on this forum who doesn't work more hours than you do? Do you think
a single member of this forum doesn't have more family responsibilities
than you do?

Stop it. Excuses are like @ssholes and they all stink.


Now theoretically I could still

Theoretically you could still aim for the absolute bare minimum that
any athletic trainer would recommend. Then when you miss a day
you will do less than the absolute minimum.

Set it up so that you do it every single day with zero days off. Then
Take off one day per week at random, but only if you achieve learning
ten words every day for the entire week.

Don't make excuses lame or otherwise. Place your index finger on your
forehead, then you will know that you have your finger on the problem
(or the solution).

(http://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5vfl80rhv9/images/stencil/2000x2000/products/704/2044/no-excuses-print-5x7-blue-red2-1020x1020__42592.1492456403.jpg?c=2)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 12, 2020, 11:49:31 AM
This is off topic, just curious who did you play college basketball for? And how many years? Don't think I would last one season. College sports can be very arduous I imagine.

I played Junior College Ball in Oregon. Later I transferred to Oregon
State. I was good enough to make the team there but not good
enough to start so I became a student with a job instead. I played
Summer league with a bunch of division one players and players
who played in the NBA but my job was what put food on the table.

That's probably too much information for the peanut gallery.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2020, 12:05:21 PM
haha

I played in all white high school, in college, I played in try-outs against "brothers" a FOOT freaking taller than me!!!!
for one try-out then I quit basketball after that
and switched over to HW boxing
fortunately stopped before TOO much brain damage, j-j-j-just a little bit
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 12, 2020, 12:54:33 PM
I played Junior College Ball in Oregon. Later I transferred to Oregon
State. I was good enough to make the team there but not good
enough to start so I became a student with a job instead. I played
Summer league with a bunch of division one players and players
who played in the NBA but my job was what put food on the table.

That's probably too much information for the peanut gallery.


I refer you to your own advice above ;D
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 12, 2020, 01:00:38 PM
You started out doing the absolute bare minimum. The least amount
that ANYBODY would ever recommend.

(http://i.pinimg.com/originals/28/89/58/288958b9cd6842ecc9eaf5bae3df4c32.jpg)


You work part time. How many hours a week is it? 20?
You are making silly excuses. You really, really, really
sound like a 13 year old boy explaining why he did a
mediocre job cutting the yard and skipped over a few
spots.

Do you want to list your work hours for the last week for the
peanut gallery here to tear you apart?

Stop with the excuses, snowflakes need not apply.

(http://cdn10.bigcommerce.com/s-evajlb/products/416/images/1755/TNT-5769_No_Excuses_Just_Results-1_copy__46876.1493088204.1280.1280.jpg?c=2)

More excuses? Seriously? Do you think that there is a single member
on this forum who doesn't work more hours than you do? Do you think
a single member of this forum doesn't have more family responsibilities
than you do?

Stop it. Excuses are like @ssholes and they all stink.


Theoretically you could still aim for the absolute bare minimum that
any athletic trainer would recommend. Then when you miss a day
you will do less than the absolute minimum.

Set it up so that you do it every single day with zero days off. Then
Take off one day per week at random, but only if you achieve learning
ten words every day for the entire week.

Don't make excuses lame or otherwise. Place your index finger on your
forehead, then you will know that you have your finger on the problem
(or the solution).

(http://cdn11.bigcommerce.com/s-5vfl80rhv9/images/stencil/2000x2000/products/704/2044/no-excuses-print-5x7-blue-red2-1020x1020__42592.1492456403.jpg?c=2)

I do 29 hours per week (every week) in my job and most of my spare days are on spent on my house conversion. Other time sorting out problems that crop up or work on myself.

You're kind of right though Bill I need to be stepping it up a bit more now so will plan to put in more work into gym, language stuff, etc. I think my schedule is easing now to allow for me to do that and move forward from what I planned :)
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 12, 2020, 01:10:02 PM
I played Junior College Ball in Oregon. Later I transferred to Oregon
State. I was good enough to make the team there but not good
enough to start so I became a student with a job instead. I played
Summer league with a bunch of division one players and players
who played in the NBA but my job was what put food on the table.

That's probably too much information for the peanut gallery.

Did you ever get to meet Gary Payton or his son?
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 12, 2020, 02:03:16 PM
why not get paid for working out?
seriously, do roofing
if you work everyday, 100% you will get a workout
you need to be able to lift 160 lb of shingles onto your shoulder and balance
while you RUN up the ladder with it
and then hammer these shingles with a heavy hammer
do this 5 days or 6 days a week for 6 months
and you will be ROCK SOLID...
and if you had worked continuously for 6 months , you'd almost have enough for a house down payment as well

My initial response:
Previously weren't you climbing towers for air traffic controllers and now you're claiming you were a roofer? Which one was it?

                   

Most roofs are loaded by conveyer belt. A roof such as a Victorian house will likely be loaded by a man assigned to carry the shingles up scaffolding while more experienced roofers install the shingles but only after the tear off has been accomplished.

The hammer for asphalt shingles isn't heavy either.

You're an accomplished story teller but that's about all. If there's a grain of truth in any of your stories it's been embellished 10 fold or 100 fold.

Nice try geezer (your own honest description of yourself).
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2020, 02:48:22 PM
"Most roofs are loaded by conveyer belt. A roof such as a Victorian house will likely be loaded by a man assigned to carry the shingles up scaffolding while more experienced roofers install the shingles but only after the tear off has been accomplished.
"

you CAN do it that way, if you have the $$$, but if you don't, you can do it the old way, of balancing 2 sacks of shingles on your shoulders
and literally RUN up the ladder...

gee, how could I POSSIBLY know this...

you don't think the hammer is heavy?
spend 4-5 hours with it EVERY DAY and tell me what you think...

once more, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about, do ya?

back in the day, when it was big ass white boys doing this and NOT immigrants
white boys were expected to tote 160 lbs up the ladder
that's what I had to do when I was a roofing apprentice
and when I was in business for myself
otherwise I had to make an extra trip

if I wanted to, I could do this job today, proably even get an assistant to do most of the work, like I once was, and probably make $200,000 yr in my area and still do other stuff
but I got better things to do...




you wanna FIGHT with me boy?
I wouldn’t recommend it...

I am now WAY too old to be doing any fighting or brawling of ANY kind, voluntarily or involuntarily...

the last time I was in a real non-internet fight was in Moscow 2 years ago...
I was crewing in a race boat on the Moscva river, and we beat these other pridorki
and they got pissed about it when we got back to the marina, and started to pick-on the guy who captained our boat...

a shoving match started, another big guy “squares up” against my future son-in-law
if ANYTHING happened to young Pyotr, his father would be DEEPLY pissed at me!
OMG!  I HAD to ACT FAST!!!

so, I just ran up to the guy, from out of nowhere and sucker punched him in the jaw as hard as I could while still running....
he hit the ground like a giant sack of kartoshkie

BTW, go on ebay and shop for “Men’s Tungsten Rings”
I got them in multiple sizes so I can put them up and down my fingers
Tungsten is extremely dense, yet as hard as steel
I have a total of 8.7 oz of tungsten rings on my right hand...

brass nucs, brass knuckles are illegal in Russia just like in America
but Tungsten jewelry ain’t illegal

if I hit you jaw with this in one of two different places, 100%, I will break your jaw
and you will feel INTENSE PAIN and lose all further interest in fighting me

plus, I never have to worry about where they are...






Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 12, 2020, 03:23:34 PM
Yet another krimster FAIL.

Two asphalt composition shingle (that's the full name of it) bundles like in the photo don't weigh 160 lbs, they're about half that weight.

And krimster says he didn't have the money for a roofing supply company to load the roof?

It's included in the price.
 
And the hammer isn't that heavy after 4 or 5 hrs? True if your mouth is bigger than your biceps.

Krim could make 200K? First he would need a reputation as an honest and experienced Roofing Contractor, for many years.

After that just more drug-induced fantasy.

Some of us have done such work in the real World because we have relatives who are contractors.

Then there's fantasy geezer.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 12, 2020, 04:20:35 PM
you CAN do it that way, if you have the $$$, but if you don't, you can do it the old way, of balancing 2 sacks of shingles on your shoulders
and literally RUN up the ladder...

gee, how could I POSSIBLY know this...

you don't think the hammer is heavy?
spend 4-5 hours with it EVERY DAY and tell me what you think...

once more, you have NO IDEA what you're talking about, do ya?

back in the day, when it was big ass white boys doing this and NOT immigrants
white boys were expected to tote 160 lbs up the ladder
that's what I had to do when I was a roofing apprentice
and when I was in business for myself
otherwise I had to make an extra trip

if I wanted to, I could do this job today, proably even get an assistant to do most of the work, like I once was, and probably make $200,000 yr in my area and still do other stuff
but I got better things to do...

I've hauled everything known to man up a ladder because that's
how we did it in the olden days. Now days the roofing company
offers to load it on your roof with either a conveyor or a boom truck,
IF you are not in the sticks. If you are roofing in the boonies then it
goes on the roof the ole timey way, up a ladder.

I've also seen guys load pallets on a loader or a bobcat with forks. 

A hammer definitely gets heavy while you are getting used to it. 
Being the tall guy guess who got to nail sheet rock nails into the
ceiling all day long? I am pretty ambidextrous and can nail about
75% as good left handed to give my right arm a break but again
time is money in construction.   

A modern nail/staple gun and dragging an air hose around is even
heavier so there is plenty of hard work still to be had if somebody
wants to remove and replace a roof or put up sheer wall etc.
 
My favorite part of construction was pride in your work and a sense
of accomplishment since you can see a house go up around you. 

Yes, you run up the ladder if you're a new guy or the experienced
guys give you grief (then you will get fired). A newbie is only allowed
to be slightly slower than a journeymen lugging stuff around and you
certainly better not be the cause for them to slow down.

The experienced guys get paid by the job or the square and time is
literally money. I progressed into sales in my late twenties and rarely
do any actual work anymore.

Title: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: 2tallbill on August 12, 2020, 04:53:10 PM
Did you ever get to meet Gary Payton or his son?

He came after my time. I saw him around a few times but we never
really met.

I played against AC Green, Charley Sitton, Jose Ortiz and Tyrone Miller
in the summer and in pick up games. I tried to block a shot by Tyrone
Miller once and he dunked the ball AND my hand. I usually fared much
better than that.

Nike is out of Oregon Bill Bowerman the inventor of the first shoe made
by them lived about 20 miles from where I went to highschool and of
course all the OSU players had Nike stuff. Charley gave me a pair of
shoes with an Orange swoosh on it.

Tyrone was always trying to get me a pair but he had size 17 feet
and my foot is only a 13 (back then) so he would have to work a
trade for a sweatshirt or something and it never worked out.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2020, 04:55:40 PM
FAIL?
ME?
listen, I’m gonna hand ya a tube of pain killin ointment for the burn I’m about to give ya, ok?
your OWN WORDS prove you don’t know WTF you are talking about!!!

a shingle bundle is 80 lbs, always HAS been, always WILL be
and ya know what, someone who ACTUALLY put 2 bundles of shingles on their shoulder
AND, I say AND, ran up a MFin ladder
would 100% know HOW MUCH weight they were carryin
if only for the bragging rights

http://www.iko.com/na/pro/building-professional-tools/roofing-101/how-to-stack-shingles-on-a-roof/

read confed and be enlightened

75 – 80 pounds
A shingle bundle typically weighs 75 – 80 pounds, so stacking many of them could put a lot of pressure on the roof,

you seriously have NO IDEA about ANYTHING
no clue
none

and is why you ain't got NO WOMEN
sittin next to you

otoh, if my kids are gone for the day somewhere and I go skinny dipping in the pool
and if I have even the SLIGHTEST hint of an erection coming out of the pool, the women will be on me faster than flies on fresh excrement
on top of that, they will be making lewd, suggestive comments to me in Russian, hoping to trigger that reaction

I'm a geezer confed, and for the simple reason that my wife is bisexual, I now enjoy a polyamorous relationship
I guess, it kinda make sense though
if one guy gets more than one woman, then it means there is some other guy who WON'T be able to get EVEN one woman, and he will be sad and alone, awwwwwww....
violins and harps playing a sad little tune over Confederate's unfulfilled desire of having a girlfriend some day
so sad...



Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 12, 2020, 05:48:44 PM
I've hauled everything known to man up a ladder because that's
how we did it in the olden days. Now days the roofing company
offers to load it on your roof with either a conveyor or a boom truck,
IF you are not in the sticks. If you are roofing in the boonies then it
goes on the roof the ole timey way, up a ladder.

I've also seen guys load pallets on a loader or a bobcat with forks. 

A hammer definitely gets heavy while you are getting used to it. 
Being the tall guy guess who got to nail sheet rock nails into the
ceiling all day long? I am pretty ambidextrous and can nail about
75% as good left handed to give my right arm a break but again
time is money in construction.   

A modern nail/staple gun and dragging an air hose around is even
heavier so there is plenty of hard work still to be had if somebody
wants to remove and replace a roof or put up sheer wall etc.
 
My favorite part of construction was pride in your work and a sense
of accomplishment since you can see a house go up around you. 

Yes, you run up the ladder if you're a new guy or the experienced
guys give you grief (then you will get fired). A newbie is only allowed
to be slightly slower than a journeymen lugging stuff around and you
certainly better not be the cause for them to slow down.

The experienced guys get paid by the job or the square and time is
literally money. I progressed into sales in my late twenties and rarely
do any actual work anymore.

Well said Bill, you exaggerated only slightly however that has to do with who you worked with; it could very well be that the Journeymen you worked with at the time were that way.

Depending on the job and who bid the job there are multiple ways to get the material up on a roof including the old fashioned way. We never worked with unprofessional guys for certain reasons which won't be described in mixed company. It's mostly a young guys job but plenty of men do it for decades. Have any photos from those days? We have plenty but certainly wouldn't post here.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 12, 2020, 05:52:12 PM
He came after my time. I saw him around a few times but we never
really met.

I played against AC Green, Charley Sitton, Jose Ortiz and Tyrone Miller
in the summer and in pick up games. I tried to block a shot by Tyrone
Miller once and he dunked the ball AND my hand. I usually fared much
better than that.

Nike is out of Oregon Bill Bowerman the inventor of the first shoe made
by them lived about 20 miles from where I went to highschool and of
course all the OSU players had Nike stuff. Charley gave me a pair of
shoes with an Orange swoosh on it.

Tyrone was always trying to get me a pair but he had size 17 feet
and my foot is only a 13 (back then) so he would have to work a
trade for a sweatshirt or something and it never worked out.

Great story thx for sharing
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Davo on August 12, 2020, 06:00:46 PM
Thanks Davo it's good to finally have a better idea of what the tipping point may be :) I see now from what you put the sort of extra work I would have to do. I'm just kind of interested in upper body half, so chest and muscles mostly. Do you reckon if I did 3 sessions of upper body work (for an hour or so) with the free weights I could look like that guy, upper body wise in about 2-3 years?

My diet is not too bad, I improved it a bit though I regressed a bit recently but I think I know what to do now to make it a bit better. Kind of interesting to know that it takes so long and the commitment needed. Some guys I kind of had the impression that they work out a little then bingo it all pops up lol.

Not a chance. In 3 years of 6 days a week I didn’t quite get my biceps to the size of the guy in the picture.

Honestly and I know you’ve been told this before and you recently acknowledged ML’s comment about this...... Forget learning Russian, forget working out and I’d put a hold on finishing your house atm.... Your biggest issue is your lack of $$$. I returned home from Russia and realised my wage which is almost 2 and a half times more than yours wasn’t sufficient to search, get married to and support a FSU woman until she finds her feet in my country.

I’ve lived with a woman for 20 years who earned more than me and when she took 3/5th of our family income away with her, I actually started saving more money then when we were together.  Your future wife’s living expenses will probably be more than yours, trust me!!

It’s no good waiting to earn more money after you’ve have met a woman. You won’t have the time to support your new wife emotionally in a new country, if you have to work all the time.

What happens if you meet the perfect woman next trip and she wants to get married immediately and have a child soon after. How are you going to double or triple your income quickly?

Don’t take this as bragging....It’s taken me 12 months of 14-16 hour days to build up my side business to the point of making 80,000 £ on top of the 40,000 £ I earn working for another company. Last weekend in 14 hours of work made enough to pay for my airfare and accommodation for my next trip...... if you don’t have a good disposable income you’ll never achieve your goal of marrying a FSU woman. That’s the first and biggest issue you face.

To give you an idea of just how low your wage is, my 19 year old son is having a gap year before Uni and has started working at the same company as me. He’s an unskilled production worker and is earning almost twice as much as you do.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2020, 06:26:25 PM
having multiple of your own gig type jobs is totally the way for guys in their 30s and 40s to work...
there are a lot of jobs that involve hard work and skill that will make you money "on the side"
when in college, I was a roofer, and a journeyman plumber and worked summers like this
college students like me once upon a time OWNED that job market, but now immigrants do
like so many other blue collar jobs that YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE don't wanna do anymore
because it's TOO hard
so they left it, and immigrants stepped in
whoever is willing to work the HARDEST
will make the most $$$ here
and whoever works the smartest on top of that can make some SERIOUS amount of money
and I DO MEAN SOME SERIOUS OMG AMOUNT!!


later all these trade skills came in handy when I accidentally got into real estate development in Crimea
for example, here's the sale document of a business office I sold in 2007, I did all the contracting on this project myself
and made a ton of money buying, fixing up offices, and flipping them, and buying the next one

I was able to dodge taxes AND get my profits out of the country
this is what I mean by being smart
not only being able to do this business in the first place, and not only deal with all the SHARKS, that smell money, but to keep ALL THE MONEY in the end as well...
sweet!

and guess who did ALL the contracting on the dirt cheap apartments I bought RIGHT ON THE BEACH that came with just bare concrete walls and turned them into apartments that looked like this
and could flip one a month for 300 % markup each time!

seriously, in Russia or Ukraine, you look for "distressed property" in a good location. that looks good externally
like an apartment project that was incomplete and shut down due to lack of money or even fraud!!

once you get a lawyer to check the ownership status
you go to the owner of an incomplete apartment complex, near the black sea, for example...
and you offer to buy the entire building from him
with 2 apartments per floor....

you will pay about $45,000 per apartment, a small building might have 8 to 16 apartments, depending on number of floors
these apartments will be just one big giant concrete shell, which at first looks kinda kewl, because of how big it is...
but unfortunately, ya gotta add walls, even a new innovation, closets, and then do the plumbing, electrical, heating system, floors, etc

sadly the apartments I bought didn't have high enough ceilings for me to loose the 4 inches parquet would take off the floor
so I had to go with wooden panels for the floor

so I could buy an individual apartment for $45k and spend about 25k in material and labor, and then flip this apartment
while starting work on the next one

I could do 4 such apartments per year, and still have plenty of time to take my kids boating in the summer
while pulling down a couple of hundred K per month, in a place like Crimea

while also working on several software projects...

if you wanna find ways to make money, are TOTALLY willing to work hard, take risks, etc
you CAN make money, I have!!!

I used to, I say used to, because I recently got out of this business
fly to Colorado and pick up a large quantity of edible Cannabis products
then fly to the Domodedovo airport at some ungodly hour
and literally sell the whole order and have others unload and transfer the cargo while I sit in the plane
and get paid $200,000 that I had to share with more than a few people, but still got to keep the biggest piece..
and my buyers would be begging me to know when they could buy again....
that's how easy it is to make money some serious money in Russia!

I can buy white Russian sim cards in China, for sim hacking for $50
and sell these all day long in Russia for $500....
I bet a I could sell 100 per month on my own easily just starting out
while also selling anything else I want on the darkweb
and get a stoopid amount of bitcoin in return

a group of Russians are making a ton of money in Florida
growing a hybrid plant from a wild native plant in the Erythroxylaceae family
the plant which is the source of cocaine, mainly grows only in Latin America...
a Russian horticultural expert, has introduced genes from Erythroxylum novogranatense
into another variety of Erythroxylum, that grows naturally in Florida,
and normally has a low but detectable amount of cocaine in  the native species

the new hybrid has an alkaloid content even HIGHER than the coca plants in South America
and are completely identical in external appearance to the local native plants they were derived from, no body freakin knows you have a coke farm

this year, they will ship over ten million USD in raw coca to Russia
next year 10 times that


Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Davo on August 12, 2020, 06:46:03 PM
having multiple of your own gig type jobs is totally the way for guys in their 30s and 40s to work...
there are a lot of jobs that involve hard work and skill that will make you money "on the side"
when in college, I was a roofer, and a journeyman plumber and worked summers like this
college students like me once upon a time OWNED that job market, but now immigrants do
like so many other blue collar jobs that YOUNG WHITE PEOPLE don't wanna do anymore
because it's TOO hard
so they left it, and immigrants stepped in
whoever is willing to work the HARDEST
will make the most $$$ here
and whoever works the smartest on top of that can make some SERIOUS amount of money
and I DO MEAN SOME SERIOUS OMG AMOUNT...

You’re right Krim....plenty of opportunity’s to earn great money starting a blue
collar business out there. I’m CNC machining cast iron manifolds by the 100’s atm. It’s not the nicest job compared with my usual aluminium parts and I look like a coal miner after a shift, but there isn’t too many jobs out there for the average white collar worker that pays 75£ an hour ($150 Aud).

In the next year or so i’m moving to a bigger workshop and buying two new machines and even talking to my Russian mate about supplying the Russian performance industry, which is growing every year and has lots of enthusiasts with deep pockets.

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2020, 07:16:58 PM
that's REALLY cool, when I get back to the USA, I plan on buying high volume bullet reloading equipment and a swaging press to make bullets
and go into the custom ammo business
easy business to do in the USA, probably not so easy in Roolandia or the Billy Wog or Tasmania where JayH lives in a van down by the dried up river with his pet Dingo named "Ned"
also, especially because the toilette flushes in the opposite direction
this causes a directional rotation conflict
so the barrel will have to be rifled in the opposite direction otherwise they will be on the wrong side of the barrel there

however, no matter where in the world you live
if you are proficient in at least one building trade
having more than one is better
and if you HAVEN’T used that skill to make some “gig” money
and further if you haven’t used that gig money you made from that skill AND leveraged that skill into reducing your renovation costs
to invest in a fixer-upper to flip, and then done it MULTIPLE times
and do this while, WHILE ALSO working on all your construction gigs
then you are just lazy as hell

cuz if you weren’t lazy, I dunno about where you live
but here doing those two things, I could pull in $500,000 year easy
but I got better gigs than that!!!!

I already GOT all the pooty tang I can handle at the moment, and don’t really need any more
unless, she is really young, sweet innocent looking and has “Daddy Issues”
cuz, I find me a 20-something like that after my kids leave, I might think about hiring a young house keeper
this will also keep the middle aged bisexual women in my extended polyamourous family happy
you guys have no idea how hard is to keep so many women happy

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 12, 2020, 10:14:45 PM

however, no matter where in the world you live
if you are proficient in at least one building trade
having more than one is better
and if you HAVEN’T used that skill to make some “gig” money
and further if you haven’t used that gig money you made from that skill AND leveraged that skill into reducing your renovation costs
to invest in a fixer-upper to flip, and then done it MULTIPLE times
and do this while, WHILE ALSO working on all your construction gigs
then you are just lazy as hell

cuz if you weren’t lazy, I dunno about where you live
but here doing those two things, I could pull in $500,000 year easy
but I got better gigs than that!!!!

That's a huge amount of money to make Krim. In the UK the only way to make that sort of money would be to buy run down property in the more expensive parts, mostly London or possibly nearby south coast and do it up. That is very risky at the moment because the virus has begun to make people question whether it's a good idea to live in London plus the property market might crash in a few months time here due to the recession caused by the virus. Even before the virus London could be seen as vastly overinflated so if you bought a place to do up and property crashed you would be lucky to get out without making a loss after doing it up. That and you would need a lot of money to put down up front so say if you put down £300k on a run down property, spent £50k doing it up you could sell it for £500k thereby making roughly £150k. After Capital Gains tax, etc that may be reduced to around £100k profit, but that is on having the £300k to invest to start with. Even borrowing some of that money is difficult unless you can prove good income. A trade may being in some income but here you need to build up a good reputation to get jobs, most people refer to 'check a trade' - online website, if you don't rate well on there then you're not likely to get much work. It takes time of course to build up a good reputation, most people will pass a new start trade guy over for an experienced guy.

Outside of London the more cheaper area it is to buy property the less money you will make. So say if you bought a property in Wales or up north for £50k run down, you do a quick largely cosmetic make over spending perhaps £15k, new kitchen, bathroom, etc. You might then sell it on for £80k, making £15k, possibly £10k after taxes and legal fees, etc. You would likely be able to do at least two a year like that and make £20k after tax a year, approximately. That's ok and means that you wouldn't have to put up with the cr*p you can get with some jobs. But you would have to be careful of not buying a property that turns out to have a serious fault or you would have a serious problem on your hands. On the plus side you would likely suffer little in a property crash due to the house not having far to fall since those areas haven't risen a lot over the years in property value.

Everywhere else is in between all of that. It means that a guy could move up the property ladder over time and make a lot of money. I recall JamesUK said that is how he made his money when he was on here. Even then he was only worth about £1million or so which he got taken for half for by his ex-wife. That was after about 15 years or so in the game I believe it was. Most of the past 20 years or so in the UK have been good years in the property market as most houses have gone up in value and so James would have benefited a lot from this rise in the market rate of property as much as by doing them up.

That is likely to be largely over for the next few years. At the moment it may be particularly precarious to jump into the property market any more in the UK.

There may come a time to do the above route. It's not a bad one as I could happily get on with doing up a house, not have people telling what to do, not have much stress or people being a pain in the arse while doing it and make some decent money over time. I still don't think I would make as much as you state Krim as the market is a lot different here in the UK to other parts of the world. There are a lot of taxes here due to the state providing for this and that and there are a lot of people here to compete with. That all makes for a market where the return is likely to be a lot less than the figures you state. Even so it's not a bad idea.

Conversely, when I finish my house I could make up to/around £7,5k a year renting the rooms out, tax free. So say £7k a year after any expenses. I will then be able to invest in a similar property shortly thereafter and make another £7k though some of that will be paying a mortgage so I would make perhaps £3-4k. So soon I would be making £10k a year after any tax each year without having to do much at all for it :) I think that would probably be a good time to switch to doing like you state and finding property to do up Krim. Then I could chuck my job and be pretty independent without a lot of bother.

The main thing in the UK is that a lot of the work I would have to do myself, larger jobs or ones that need more of a setup I could get someone in but otherwise it costs a lot to get tradesmen in. That may sound good in terms of being a tradesman but the running costs, van, tools, supplies, marketing, etc then jobs being sporadic can mean you never really make the money you think you might.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 12, 2020, 10:47:09 PM
Not a chance. In 3 years of 6 days a week I didn’t quite get my biceps to the size of the guy in the picture.

Honestly and I know you’ve been told this before and you recently acknowledged ML’s comment about this...... Forget learning Russian, forget working out and I’d put a hold on finishing your house atm.... Your biggest issue is your lack of $$$. I returned home from Russia and realised my wage which is almost 2 and a half times more than yours wasn’t sufficient to search, get married to and support a FSU woman until she finds her feet in my country.

I’ve lived with a woman for 20 years who earned more than me and when she took 3/5th of our family income away with her, I actually started saving more money then when we were together.  Your future wife’s living expenses will probably be more than yours, trust me!!

It’s no good waiting to earn more money after you’ve have met a woman. You won’t have the time to support your new wife emotionally in a new country, if you have to work all the time.

What happens if you meet the perfect woman next trip and she wants to get married immediately and have a child soon after. How are you going to double or triple your income quickly?

Don’t take this as bragging....It’s taken me 12 months of 14-16 hour days to build up my side business to the point of making 80,000 £ on top of the 40,000 £ I earn working for another company. Last weekend in 14 hours of work made enough to pay for my airfare and accommodation for my next trip...... if you don’t have a good disposable income you’ll never achieve your goal of marrying a FSU woman. That’s the first and biggest issue you face.

To give you an idea of just how low your wage is, my 19 year old son is having a gap year before Uni and has started working at the same company as me. He’s an unskilled production worker and is earning almost twice as much as you do.

Indeed, the time input to get 'ripped' would be a concerning one. It's all time where I could conceivably earn money in. The time learning Russian I don't mind because it's only a few spare minutes I use here and there so it's not time I would really make money in otherwise.

As I allured to in my response to Krimster part of the thing with the UK is the tax setup. Just going out and hammering yourself to get money in isn't going to help much. In the UK you would be taxed on a lot of that and hence lose that money anyway. I could easily double my hours at work at earn £28k before tax for a 58 hour week. That would mean I would get about £23k after tax, but I would be committing myself to a mindnumbing number for that. Unless I springboarded off that into something else I would be stuck with that job after finding a girl. Such an amount of hours would mean that I wouldn't get to spend much time with her, she would see me a couple of days per week, the rest of the time would be like we were dead to each other. I would get five weeks of holiday per year but apart from that it's not much of a life.

A business is an interesting prospect. In the UK it can be very hard since there are many costs associated with starting a business, making money can be uncertain often due to heavy competition and then the situation with taxes again. Since the UK has quite a dense population it can mean everyone is into everything. So you think up an idea of a business to do and odds are there are loads of others that will be in competition with you. So it can be a struggle to get so something going and not be squeezed a lot and it going bust.

Despite the problems I have stated to Krim the property market is probably still potentially viable so long as choices are carefully chosen and timing is done right. He is certainly right that a lot of young guys don't want to get their hands dirty these days, many are just pampered and see it as beneath them, more like ladymen really lol.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 12, 2020, 11:55:09 PM
that's why you have your own business and learn how to do taxes creatively, so you pay almost nothing
for example, have fake expense invoices to deduct, etc
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 13, 2020, 12:37:00 AM
that's why you have your own business and learn how to do taxes creatively, so you pay almost nothing
for example, have fake expense invoices to deduct, etc

Possibly, the Inland Revenue here have been known to be difficult though, if they investigate your finances then they will likely take issue with such invoices. Not sure what they are like these days but probably much the same, if they think you are cleaning up big time and might be covering some of it up and you can't support what you are stating they can fine you big time.

I know of a guy that does painting on the side of his job. A guy can do a main job and earn £100 a day, a paint job on the side he could earn two or three times that. However, I think he only gets these jobs come up randomly so needs a main job for a couple of shifts like me to get in steady income.

If you can get a full week in then you can probably do well but like I said there is the competition. Another option is to branch out into other trades, painting I think is probably the easiest trade, others I can do but would be a pain, i.e a job to fix a bit of plumbing turns into an all day or more affair as it's in an awkward place and requires a lot of messing about to get to it then repair of surrounding area. Then there is trying to get the customer to understand that although it doesn't look like much it is actually a very awkward and arduous task so will cost more than the original quote, etc. The figure they will have in mind will likely be just a bit above cost rather than a minimum of £100 extra for a whole day's labour.

Then of course there are the non payers after you have done the job, they are willing to let you bear the expense of doing the job then don't want to pay requiring chase up etc, a real pain. So in general I don't see it as an easy way to make money. My father used to do it and he was not made a wealthy man from it. Generally I can remember a lot of talk of my Mother telling him to chase up do & so who still hadn't paid. Though I think there was more tradesmen around then as people were more practically trained back in that generation. However, I would still doubt that easy money can be made now from it.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 13, 2020, 08:05:50 AM
So ok, been thinking about this whole thing. I don't see any point in exchanging my job for doing a trade as in the UK I don't see it as a good earner. I would be open to the idea of doing cosmetic makeovers of houses, etc to sell on with either rental income or job supporting me while that is done that seems sound enough to me. I would do the work myself as I don't think there would be the profit in it to get the trades in to do it, not until the bigger jobs at least. For that I would have to build up money which at the moment I just don't have and that would take time to get to that position in life.

The gym for the moment I am going to commit to doing at least one session per week of an hour or so. I will build that up to three or more sessions as soon as my schedule allows which will probably be when finishing the house in a few months. So for that I'll just have to be content with the results whatever they may be. Until I get pretty self sufficient of independent income I think that it wouldn't make sense to poor loads of time into bodybuilding. I think I can look reasonable enough till then. I'm going to have another go at improving my diet more. I've got a couple of ideas on how to get rid of the remaining food that's not great for my diet without feeling like I'm missing something.

The jacket I'm going to look at in store soon along with a few other items and see how it looks. If it looks good or I see something else that does I'll buy it. My finances are ok enough to do that at present and while they've got a sale on it kind of makes sense to do that, it'll beat paying the usual full price so I'll be getting something that is usually much more expensive pretty cheap. One positive from the current situation I guess.
Title: 20 something hours per week slaving away
Post by: 2tallbill on August 13, 2020, 09:46:09 AM

The gym for the moment I am going to commit to doing at least one session per week of an hour or so.

Hahahaha

In one ear and out the other. You are just going to do what you are going
to do regardless of how much advice you get to the contrary.

I'm not going to go full Moby on you.

Udachi!

Bill
Title: Re: 20 something hours per week slaving away
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 13, 2020, 11:39:07 AM
Hahahaha

In one ear and out the other. You are just going to do what you are going
to do regardless of how much advice you get to the contrary.

I'm not going to go full Moby on you.

Udachi!

Bill

I know it probably sounds like that Bill but I can't just stop the house conversion about three months before I'm due to finish on it, it doesn't make economic sense. Once I'm done I will be free of the impositions on my time and money that cone with doing it. I've got other projects to get going on but I can do them at a far more leisurely pace and/or get stuff done on them for me.

Anyway something has just cropped up that I could do with your insight into. I've just weighed myself on my digital scales that interface with an internet app, you've probably seen them around if not got one already. Anyway, it gives me a read out of my BMI, body fat ratio, muscle mass, etc, etc on the app. Basically as expected my weight, BMI and body fat have all gone up as I've not been working out except when doing the house conversion work plus I've been eating some chocolate over the past few months. That is all to be expected what I didn't expect is that my muscle mass has also gone up roughly in proportion to my body fat. I'm not really sure why this would be my only thought so far is that possibly a certain type of diet might be restricting muscle growth a bit. Main issue is that I seem stuck with a certain amount of fat (which tends to stick around the belly). My fear is if I lose weight by making my diet more healthy I could end up losing muscle mass. My hope is that just the fat would reduce but the muscle mass would stay largely the same, any thoughts?
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2020, 09:46:50 AM
Trench....
you talkin’ about workin out “someday”

versus, a guy who works 8 hours per day roofing

after a year, arrange to rent an auditorium and fill it with women...

then YOU show up on stage, and take YOUR shirt off

see how big an applause you get....

then have the roofer come up,
and s-l-o-w-l-y lift HIS shirt up to show the abs, then remove HIS shirt and flex
also, the roofer has LOVELY brown tanned skin and you’re as white as a ghost
oh, and the roofer’s hair bleached in the sun somewhat
and when it hangs over his deep blue eyes the women get little hearts in their eyes
oh, and I almost forgot, he’s about 100,000 pounds per year richer than you
and he puts all that money to work, instead of working for just enough to live

so, Trench who is more likely to be married, you or the roofer?

based on this little bit of knowledge, then WHY are you doing what you’re doing
you already know it’s not working, so why repeat it?

climb out of your hole Trench
but first, you have to open your eyes

Trench,
if you are content to do nothing
then you should be happy when that's EXACTLY what you get in return
don't you see that connection yet?

Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 14, 2020, 10:18:49 AM
Most roofers I knew had pot bellies from drinking too much and eating too much junk food. Krimster posting more fiction as usual.

Trench, learn to be happy with your body as it is. Having a positive confident take charge attitude is far more important.

Taking some NLP classes might be time better spent.

Let's say you managed to work out 6 days a week and became close to the photo you posted. You get the gal but due to work commitments and life in general the body reverts back to how it is now.

The gal was probably superficial so now she leaves you.

Whereas if you became always confident and sure of your ability to solve problems, always charming with her etc; well she didn't marry you for your body she married you for your mentality.

You also need to accept that you have a smaller pool of prospects than guys making a lot more dough than you.

But still you see guys here saying they make a lot more than you but still they don't have a gal or if they do their wife prefers other women and they accuse others of watching pornography. It's easy to see what's really happening there.

Be yourself, build a positive mentality and also simultaneously have realistic expectations.

Good luck.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2020, 10:26:58 AM
oh, I'm sure the guy who doesn't know how much a standard sack of shingles weighs knows EVERYTHING else about roofing, yeah, uhh-huh
a roofer who DOES the work, ain't gonna resemble your description
maybe you might....

I OTOH, eat NO junk foods, cuz I have Russian Cooks, and they don't even know what junk food is!
you know, I wonder what brand of microwavable frozen foods you eat Confed


I'm sure THIS is a subject you know a thousand times more than roofing
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 14, 2020, 11:46:09 AM
Trench....
you talkin’ about workin out “someday”

versus, a guy who works 8 hours per day roofing

after a year, arrange to rent an auditorium and fill it with women...

then YOU show up on stage, and take YOUR shirt off

see how big an applause you get....

then have the roofer come up,
and s-l-o-w-l-y lift HIS shirt up to show the abs, then remove HIS shirt and flex
also, the roofer has LOVELY brown tanned skin and you’re as white as a ghost
oh, and the roofer’s hair bleached in the sun somewhat
and when it hangs over his deep blue eyes the women get little hearts in their eyes
oh, and I almost forgot, he’s about 100,000 pounds per year richer than you
and he puts all that money to work, instead of working for just enough to live

so, Trench who is more likely to be married, you or the roofer?

based on this little bit of knowledge, then WHY are you doing what you’re doing
you already know it’s not working, so why repeat it?

climb out of your hole Trench
but first, you have to open your eyes

Trench,
if you are content to do nothing
then you should be happy when that's EXACTLY what you get in return
don't you see that connection yet?

I get your point Krim, for sure doing an activity where you do it daily is definitely likely to be the best way as it's brought into the daily routine not trying to make it a part of it.

I think Confederate has a point also in that if the roofers diet is bad then he may have any muscle gain hidden under a thick layer of flab. I've known builder types like that and also a guy who works a lot stacking shelves. The guy that works stacking a lot of shelves looks a lots worse than me even though he does way more exercise. He drinks nothing but energy drinks and other junk food and has the muffin top look around the belly that I don't have.

I don't think I could do roofing, I don't like heights that much. I can get up on a roof if needs be but it's not a joy for me and of course working at height can be dangerous. I don't want to risk ending up wheel chair bound or anything like that as that would put me in a worse place than I am at present.

Other building type jobs I could do, maybe landscape gardening could be the way to go.

At present I'm trying to sort out my present situation. From online research it looks like I would be best of cutting back on fat in foods while also keeping the calories high. I bought some chocolate whey protein power today so I'm hoping shifting my diet in that manner may help to reduce the fat while keeping the muscle gain.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on August 14, 2020, 11:58:45 AM
Most roofers I knew had pot bellies from drinking too much and eating too much junk food. Krimster posting more fiction as usual.

Trench, learn to be happy with your body as it is. Having a positive confident take charge attitude is far more important.

Taking some NLP classes might be time better spent.

Let's say you managed to work out 6 days a week and became close to the photo you posted. You get the gal but due to work commitments and life in general the body reverts back to how it is now.

The gal was probably superficial so now she leaves you.

Whereas if you became always confident and sure of your ability to solve problems, always charming with her etc; well she didn't marry you for your body she married you for your mentality.

You also need to accept that you have a smaller pool of prospects than guys making a lot more dough than you.

But still you see guys here saying they make a lot more than you but still they don't have a gal or if they do their wife prefers other women and they accuse others of watching pornography. It's easy to see what's really happening there.

Be yourself, build a positive mentality and also simultaneously have realistic expectations.

Good luck.

I think you have a point there Confederate, it's something that has been on my mind. When I started weight training a year ago my aim was and still is not to get real heavy bodybuilder physic like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I knew that s a full time job in itself and takes crazy commitment whether or not there are steroids being used. I never wanted to go that path and I won't use steroids. I basically decided that I wanted a toned, muscular torso that is defined but not huge muscles or anything. I knew that it would be too hard for me to keep a heavy muscular frame, too much upkeep, lol. So I decided on a nice gentle musclar look but even that may look more involved than I had thought.

While the attention and admiration of women would be nice I kind of want it for me so I feel good about me, to make it a part of who I am, to look and feel good. To me it would be a part of me feeling like I am successful and more able. For me it's not really about trying to snare women with it but more about it being just one part of a better me. A place I wish to get to I guess.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 14, 2020, 12:24:51 PM
I think you have a point there Confederate, it's something that has been on my mind. When I started weight training a year ago my aim was and still is not to get real heavy bodybuilder physic like Arnold Schwarzenegger. I knew that s a full time job in itself and takes crazy commitment whether or not there are steroids being used. I never wanted to go that path and I won't use steroids. I basically decided that I wanted a toned, muscular torso that is defined but not huge muscles or anything. I knew that it would be too hard for me to keep a heavy muscular frame, too much upkeep, lol. So I decided on a nice gentle musclar look but even that may look more involved than I had thought.

While the attention and admiration of women would be nice I kind of want it for me so I feel good about me, to make it a part of who I am, to look and feel good. To me it would be a part of me feeling like I am successful and more able. For me it's not really about trying to snare women with it but more about it being just one part of a better me. A place I wish to get to I guess.

I think I sensed or read an admission there that you would like to be attractive to women and admired by women in general.

There's a better opportunity to achieve that through building your mental toughness and also being able to understand women better and trying to be somewhat charming to them to disarm them from their question or attitude about men in general. It is actually a very good idea to work on local Western women. Practice doing things such as opening doors if it's indicated, being polite and in general try to be somewhat charming. If your overall attitude about women is somewhat negative it can effect your success with a higher caliber woman such as a slender attractive FSU woman.

Being confident and magnanimous may come with practice. Of course there will be some failure but be like pro basketball player Michael Jordan who readily admitted he failed more than he succeeded yet he persevered and never lost faith.

Charity begins at home, love yourself as you are and grow your confidence from there.

Part of physical appearance, the largest part is genetic and then training from there. Sports I did made me strong and agile but slender with definition like you mentioned. I wasn't going to be large and bulky like a bodybuilder but I did bulk up some from where I was.

Good luck.
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: Confederate on August 14, 2020, 12:44:08 PM
When young and invincible things apparently weigh less and ones recollection is formed based on those memories of having greater strength back then.

As it is, according to this article, a standard 3 tab asphalt shingle, a very simple one, is 50 lbs. The weight goes up a bit depending on various architectural features of the shingle, etcetera.

http://www.h2ouse.org/how-much-does-a-bundle-of-shingles-weigh/

Quote

"A bundle of 3-tab shingles will weigh on the lower end of this figure because they are thinner than architectural shingles. Most of these bundles weigh in between 50 to 65 pounds per bundle. On the other hand, a bundle of architectural shingles will weigh on the upper end, with most packages ranging from 65 to 80 pounds."
Title: Re: What Jacket to buy?
Post by: krimster2 on August 14, 2020, 01:57:41 PM
my philosophy is, “a man chases after women, until one day, one catches him”

if you’re a guy in your 40s and some woman hasn’t caught you yet
that can ONLY be because you aren’t actually chasing after any...
maybe you’re wishing you were, hoping one day you will be...
but, in reality, women don’t have very much interest in you
so you NEVER REALLY GOT ATTENTION from women

and, based upon my years of social observation, it’s because of varying amount of three different “Personal Qualities”!

1. you’re poor - you are at average or below average financial level, that gets perceived as being lazy

2. you’re UG-LEE! - so ugly your mother tied a bone, round your skinny pencil neck, just so the dog would play with you when you were little, AND she NEVER loved YOU, you KNOW it’s TRUE!!!

3. you’re DUM - you are of below average to at best, near average intelligence level...
    smart women will get bored with your conversation in less than 3 min, cuz all you will talk
    about will be “me, me, me, me is greatest...me...great me...”

am I right, or what?

I’m almost a generation older than you 40 yr old dewds
and my daughters tell me I have a “dad’s body”
but I easily, easily get women’s attention in Russia or Ukraine or even Holland

two years ago, I rented a big apartment in Amsterdam and stayed there with my daughters while my wife was working on my “Dacha” in Moscow, my daughters met and became pals, drosochiki with these young Russian girls from Moscow...
they brought them into our apartment and they all got high together in one part of this giant apartment and I generally watched cable and surfed the web in another part of the apartment with French doors separating us...

when they all got munchies, I cooked them waffles and pancakes and was their super hero
my daughters and her friends would come and go throughout the day...
I had everything of value locked in my bedroom, so I didn’t have to worry or “trust them”

when ever my daughters took off to go somewhere with some of the girls, some always preferred to stay behind with me, because they WANTED to be with me instead...

OK?

two years ago, I coulda slept with these girls, but because they’re my daughter’s friends, I have a rule NOT TO!!!

and I’m a geezer!!!

so, what’s YOUR problem?

BTW, the “standard” weight for asphalt shingles is 80 pounds
I don’t need to google this