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If it turns out that the Woohan Institute of Virology incubated and accidentally distributed the Corona Virus what would be your response?

I would be upset with China but would not do anything.
2 (16.7%)
I would boycott China and everything it produces because the government hid a deathly plague
7 (58.3%)
I would believe China - that the disease really started in the US
0 (0%)
I would send China the bill for the lost economies and seek replacement of its government.
3 (25%)

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Voting closed: April 19, 2020, 02:15:29 PM

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #300 on: April 20, 2020, 02:14:14 PM »
Johnson and Johnson already has a vaccine.   But it won't begin significant testing until September.
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #301 on: April 20, 2020, 02:30:21 PM »
Johnson and Johnson already has a vaccine.   But it won't begin significant testing until September.

So does Moderna, and it is in Phase One Test (a year away for public use at best). There are other pharma companies attempting the same. 

Let's hope one succeeds.  History has a high percentage of failed vaccine tests. 

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #302 on: April 20, 2020, 02:38:37 PM »
I suggest that we should not now take a hard approach against China.  At least not now.   

The sonofabitches may very well be the first to develop a vaccine to COVID-19. 


That's an excellent point. Getting a vaccine is the most important thing of all right now even if it came from China.

At a briefing Trump said “A mistake is a mistake,” the president said. “But if China was knowingly responsible, there will be consequences.”

http://news.yahoo.com/trump-suggests-china-wont-be-punished-if-coronavirus-was-a-mistake-224719121.html

My feeling it was a mistake/accident whether it came from a meat market or lab. But the Chinese silencing whistleblowers was real, the misleading WHO and other nations was real, and if it did come from a lab, experimenting on the virus may have violated treaties pertaining to biological weapons bans. China's negligence alone is worth punishing them for. But the form of punishment may not come from governments but in the loss of customers who'd refuse to buy Made in China. My mom said China will try to get around that. She says they get around tariffs by shipping to Vietnam first with Made in Vietnam on the products and then put the products on a boat to America.


History has a high percentage of failed vaccine tests. 


The good news is there has never been so much money thrown at labs all over the world to work on a vaccine. Every lab capable of creating vaccines is doing so with government funding or government guns pointing at them.
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #303 on: April 21, 2020, 05:59:07 AM »
Gator:  The sonofabitches may very well be the first to develop a vaccine to COVID-19.

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But developing a vaccine is not the breakthrough.

Proving it is the test.
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #304 on: April 21, 2020, 09:50:02 AM »
The sonofabitches may very well be the first to develop a vaccine to COVID-19.

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But developing a vaccine is not the breakthrough.

Proving it is the test.

It is par for the course that someone else might develop a vaccine and China appropriates it and files patents in China for it.
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #305 on: April 21, 2020, 12:46:05 PM »
Gator:  The sonofabitches may very well be the first to develop a vaccine to COVID-19.

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But developing a vaccine is not the breakthrough.

Proving it is the test.

And a few sentences later in the same post, I wrote:  "Think about the implications if China is first to develop a proven vaccine.  Holy batshit, Batman."


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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #306 on: April 21, 2020, 02:12:30 PM »
And a few sentences later in the same post, I wrote:  "Think about the implications if China is first to develop a proven vaccine.  Holy batshit, Batman."

OK, missed that in my haste to criticize !!  :-)
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #307 on: April 21, 2020, 05:54:38 PM »
Here's an interesting statistic:

1.  China's annual flu deaths (a number which they meticulously update) was 91,814 in 2018. 

2.  China's total deaths from COVID 19, a figure that the Chinese Communist Party swears by, is 4632. 

Accordingly, China only has 5% of deaths by COVID 19 that they do by flu.

Here's some other topics of conversation: 

The State of Missouri is suing the People's Republic of China and the Chinese Communist Party:   The reason?  Hiding the virus from the world (and the people of Missouri) until it was too late to respond.

Various conservative personalities are now suggesting that China be stripped of the Winter Olympics in 2022.

Finally, it seems that leader of North Korea is gravely ill.   Following heart surgery, Kim Jong Un was listed as critical.   One of the theories going around is that the Chinese doctor who treated him was infected with COVID 19.
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If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #308 on: April 22, 2020, 06:21:00 AM »
OK, missed that in my haste to criticize !!  :-)

In my opinion we should gently phase China out of our lives and
economy. We could pass a few simple laws that would help phase
them out.

1. Require a label on everything and anything produced in China.
2. Require a visa for anyone from China and restrict the number.
3. Make a list of products like drugs and a few other things
requiring that they are made elsewhere.
4. Make a mirror law each year that exactly copies one of China's
laws on something that they import into the USA.
5. Have a plan when they blatantly break an agreement or steal
something. 

Slowly phase them out.
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #309 on: April 22, 2020, 07:15:42 AM »
..and what device are you writing on and I'll tl you how much of it is Chinese....

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #310 on: April 22, 2020, 07:27:54 AM »
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1. Require a label on everything and anything produced in China.
 
As long as the US consumer winds up paying for all this pointless labeling...which of course would be the case one way or another.


2. Require a visa for anyone from China and restrict the number. 

Shoot ourselves in the foot.  Chinese tourists are free spenders.  Why would we want to make it difficult for them to spend their hard earned money here?  Make them feel unwelcome enough and their money will spent in Russia, or in China, or Iceland, or anywhere other than the US. 

In my opinion we should gently phase China out of our lives and
economy. 
Slowly phase them out.

Perhaps we should be making more of our own goods.  This has to do with US, not China.  We can blame ourselves.  The Chinese sweat and make our stuff.  If you want US citizens to sweat and make our stuff, then find the workforce willing to do all that work, while kicking out the illegal aliens, and making the US unwelcome to immigrants.    We got a problem and the problem is us. 

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #311 on: April 24, 2020, 09:23:37 AM »

After criticizing China for its handling of the crisis, Chinese journalist shows back up after being detained for 2 months. He said "God bless China". Reeducation camps do work! The other journalists and doctors will probably reappear after they graduate too.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/chinese-citizen-journalist-missing-for-2-months-after-reporting-on-coronavirus-in-wuhan-reappears/ar-BB135bvH?ocid=spartanntp
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #312 on: April 24, 2020, 03:15:35 PM »

Finally, it seems that leader of North Korea is gravely ill.   Following heart surgery, Kim Jong Un was listed as critical.   One of the theories going around is that the Chinese doctor who treated him was infected with COVID 19.


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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #313 on: April 24, 2020, 07:12:12 PM »

Report says China forced EU to change some of its language in it's CIVID-19 report so don't expect the EU to come down hard on China when they come out with a statement.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/pressured-by-china-eu-softens-report-on-covid-19-disinformation/ar-BB139KxP?ocid=spartanntp


WHO has a group of nations formed up to find a vaccine. They are asking USA and China to join in.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/dollar8-billion-effort-aims-to-speed-development-of-coronavirus-vaccines-and-treatments/ar-BB13a2CA?ocid=spartanntp
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #314 on: April 26, 2020, 10:50:29 AM »

China, trying to redeem itself, has been working really hard to find a vaccine and treatments for COVID-19.

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #315 on: April 27, 2020, 09:21:31 PM »

Sen Graham is asking the Democrats to help pass a bill to have China close the wet markets, free Hong Kong prisoners and fully cooperate with any Coronavirus investigations. Punishment for not complying is sanctions on certain Chinese officials, seizure of their assets, cut China off from American financial institutions, shut down visas and travel, and close America off to China. Will the Democrats punish or defend China? 57,000 Americans dead and 26 million out of work due to Chinese negligence and deception.
 

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #316 on: April 30, 2020, 12:24:05 AM »

Nigeria, a nation who has a reputation for being honest and not scamming anyone ever has reported a whopping 44 people dead and are pissed at China. They are suing for 200 billion in damages.

Egypt is preparing for a 10 trillion dollar lawsuit against China.

It is believe an Italian Consumers association Codacons is hiring an American firm to sue China.

53 quadrillion dollar class action lawsuit filed by RWD against China because a lot of people got their feelings hurt fighting over the coronavirus. Who wants in on it?

http://www.latintimes.com/nigeria-prepares-file-200bn-worth-lawsuit-against-china-over-covid-19-economic-damage-458056
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #317 on: May 18, 2020, 04:45:10 PM »
China is no longer opposing a WHO-led review of the covid-19 outbreak, yet it seems to be a setup.   


From the Washington Post: 

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China’s opposition has melted in recent days as international support for an inquiry grew to include Russia, Turkey and European and African countries, and as drafts of the proposed resolution showed a focus on international collaboration to manage the pandemic, with relatively limited emphasis on questioning its source.
 

The phrase in bold does not make me feel better, nor the US administration.

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  Secretary of Health and Human Services Alex Azar, who represented the United States at the virtual meeting, used his speech to accuse the WHO of allowing China to cover up the outbreak.  “We must be frank about one of the primary reasons that this outbreak spun out of control,” he said. “There was a failure by this organization [WHO] to obtain the information that the world needed, and that failure cost many lives.”

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« Reply #318 on: May 18, 2020, 04:49:23 PM »
Nigeria, a nation who has a reputation for being honest and not scamming anyone ever has reported a whopping 44 people dead and are pissed at China. They are suing for 200 billion in damages.

Egypt is preparing for a 10 trillion dollar lawsuit against China.

It is believe an Italian Consumers association Codacons is hiring an American firm to sue China.

53 quadrillion dollar class action lawsuit filed by RWD against China because a lot of people got their feelings hurt fighting over the coronavirus. Who wants in on it?

http://www.latintimes.com/nigeria-prepares-file-200bn-worth-lawsuit-against-china-over-covid-19-economic-damage-458056

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #319 on: May 18, 2020, 10:21:51 PM »
China is no longer opposing a WHO-led review of the covid-19 outbreak, yet it seems to be a setup.   


The language of what is to be investigated was severely weakened so China wouldn't veto. An investigation needs to happen without the UN/WHO's participation if we want to learn the truth.
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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #320 on: May 19, 2020, 04:38:31 AM »
The language of what is to be investigated was severely weakened so China wouldn't veto. An investigation needs to happen without the UN/WHO's participation if we want to learn the truth.

The truth will come out only if China and WHO 1) release all documents to an independent investigator  (and have not altered or deleted documents) and 2) allows the investigator access to interview any and all participants.     

In other words, it will never happen.

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #321 on: May 19, 2020, 07:25:45 AM »
China is no longer opposing a WHO-led review of the covid-19 outbreak, yet it seems to be a setup.   

The truth will come out only if China and WHO 1) release all documents to an independent investigator  (and have not altered or deleted documents) and 2) allows the investigator access to interview any and all participants.     

In other words, it will never happen.

I envy the oriental's ability to seem to agree with something (or agree to do something), gaining the goodwill of the other party, yet never intending at all to do what they say.

They must remark among themselves about the gullibility and stupidity of westerners who have put up with this and fallen for this for hundreds of years or more . . . and really belly laugh each time they pull it off again.
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« Reply #322 on: May 20, 2020, 01:07:47 AM »
I envy the oriental's ability to seem to agree with something (or agree to do something), gaining the goodwill of the other party, yet never intending at all to do what they say.


Is this really something that can be attributed only to folks living in the far east?  We only have to look at the current resident of the WH to see the same tactics used, without the cultural aspect of 'face', in fact just the opposite, 'in your face'.


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« Reply #323 on: May 20, 2020, 04:13:10 AM »
Is this really something that can be attributed only to folks living in the far east?  We only have to look at the current resident of the WH to see the same tactics used, without the cultural aspect of 'face', in fact just the opposite, 'in your face'.

Three examples please.

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Re: If China is Really Responsible......
« Reply #324 on: May 20, 2020, 04:25:02 AM »
Three examples please.

Challenge accepted #1

Remember this virus ( 'from Chia') 'it was nothing to worry about ... it would be gone.. like a miracle'..

The occupant of the WH seems to have changed his tune and  wilfully risks his citizens lives...  with his actions / inactions ..

 

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