FSU women already in US?

[Shadow]

The women I meet, and most of us meet, are the standard variety, young, attractive, limited English capapability and stark realization by them that there is no job makret for them in USA. They don't even think of getting another education in USA. May be there is a generational difference.

The women you meet show a difference in attitude from thesuccessful ones.
They rule out getting a job on forehand, feeling it would disqualify them as 'dependent wife' material.
However once they have picked up the language and find out that there is a job market for sexy and smart women, their views might change. At that time when they will know they have a choice, it depends on their home situation if and how they will use it

[GoodOlBoy]

If a woman is not successful in the FSU, she won't be successful here.

Todd, I can't agree with you more.

I think it is VERY unwise to marry a woman from the FSU who is uneducated, never worked or just plain stupid, BUT........she's HOT and YOUNG!!

Knowledgeable people on this forum have said it over and over again....date the same type of women in the FSU that you would date here in the GoodOl' USA (except 50 pounds lighter :evil:).


GOB

[ambach123]

I never met a woman Doctor of Philosphy, but then I never looked for one either. I have no interest in a career woman, if I did, there are plenty right here, and that goes for majority who follow this pursuit.

The kind I meet, have beautiful bodies, and long legs, and want to be homemakers and raise children. I am OK with that. There would be no point for me to look for a career woman in FSU.

Who is to say that a career woman is happier in life than a homemaker is.

Kievstar in several posts here warned about women who spoke excellent English, and who had careers and wanted to get into USA, for majority of them AM is means to an end. I thought he made sense, and I adjusted my search accordingly.

I refer the readers to several instances. One a current thread in married section, a RW who kidnapped her child with divorce pending. She was highly skilled in USA.
The second are some eminent posters here , I shall not name, whose wives ditched them AFTER they got their education here.
The sad part is that these eminent posters were always presenting themselves as authority for their " happy " marriages.

Like they say, look before you leap.

[GoodOlBoy]

Who is to say that a career woman is happier in life than a homemaker is.

A career woman can ALWAYS become a homemaker....ANYTIME she wants to!

But a "professional homemaker" (a.k.a. broodmare)........well I think everyone knows the point I am trying to make here........"unskilled labor".

Eventually a "homemaker" looks around and sees whats going on in the GoodOl' USA and realizes that her resources/opportunities are limited because of her lack of job skills/education.

Not a pretty picture.

Newbies do yourselves a favor and marry an educated FSUW, not a stupid one with a pretty body.


GOB

[Shadow]

The kind I meet, have beautiful bodies, and long legs, and want to be homemakers and raise children. I am OK with that. There would be no point for me to look for a career woman in FSU.

Who is to say that a career woman is happier in life than a homemaker is.

Being a homemaker can be a career as well. And some try to reach the top in this like in any other career. What that top is differs from woman to woman.

Kievstar in several posts here warned about women who spoke excellent English, and who had careers and wanted to get into USA, for majority of them AM is means to an end. I thought he made sense, and I adjusted my search accordingly.

Nobod ever warned for women who speak excellent English, have a career and do NOT want to get in to the USA.

Like they say, look before you leap.

You are however supposed to look at where you are going, not at the beatuful creatures surrounding you.

[ambach123]

An attractive woman can be very well educated, and very intelligent besides having long legs, and actually many in FSU are. She does not need to have a desire of clicking her heels all days in USA in an office someplace, away from her family; I can't see that as a plus.

Specially if the couple has children, she must raise the children as an attentive mother. That is far more important than pushing pencils somewhere.

Incidently in my experience, this is what most of them want.

Of course this is if you have the resources and don't need a second income. But then I have always maintained that marrying a RW is an expensive pursuit, if you don't have the money, and you can't afford one, a train wreck is waiting to happen sooner or later.  If more would listen to this, the train wrecks would be cut down substantially. You have to be able to afford a RW, if you can't you will cut a sorry figure.
I used to think that this was just an easy and simple pursuit, I no longer think so.

[GoodOlBoy]

......... she must raise the children as an attentive mother. That is far more important than pushing pencils somewhere.

I can't argue with what you are saying Ambach, because it is what YOU WANT.

What's more important here is finding out what SHE WANTS.....Before you bring her to the GoodOl' USA.

Hey, if you can find an FSUW who wants to lay around your mansion all day popping out babies (for the rest of her life with NO job/career aspirations), then more power to you.

The point I am trying to make is if she gets to the land of milk and honey and pops a couple of kids out, looks around and says: "Hey, I think I would like to do something else."

Well, at that point her options are probably McDonald's or WalMart (if shes uneducated and stupid....but hot looking) .

Simply put.....you can't control or buy people Ambach (especially RW).


GOB

[GoodOlBoy]

Of course this is if you have the resources and don't need a second income.

I'll try again Ambach. 

It may shock you, BUT....Some women (Russian or whoever) get a certain satisfaction from working.

It is what THEY want to do!

For example my wife WANTS to work.

We DON'T need a second income in this household.

Accounting is in her blood and she ENJOYS it, (believe it or not).

Maybe when she gets back from Omsk, she will decide to quit her job, I don't know.

But it is HER decision to make, NOT MINE.

If I told Marina that she has to quit her job and stay home, she would undoubtedly divorce me.

You can't control people Ambach.


GOB

[Velena]

Guys! Reading this forum the obvious question springs to my mind: "Why are you looking for Russian wife"? If you are worried so much about being used as a 'mule' or concerned about women ripping off your bank accounts, then wouldn't it be the safer option to look for a wife somewhere else.
 I'm sure there are plenty of honest and hard working american women are avaliable. Or maybe there are some other fairylands full of beautiful, honest, faithful, altruistic, willing young women?

[ambach123]

Valena; I will answer you.
I don't make value judgments, if you look through this board and the archives, you will see plenty of examples, what I have stated is stated by many many people of their experiences much more eloquently than me.

A wise man/ woman learns from others' experience.

I don't see anything wrong for a woman for the desire to be a homemaker or being "taken care" of; it is perfectly normal for Russian or any other woman.
In my experience Russian women are beautiful, intelligent and well educated, as OP and Gator has mentioned, the sanctity of marriage is not their forte. That is also a fact. ( As shadow has mentioned, there may be some solace in avoiding divorced women)
The point is that one should get into this realizing that this is an expensive proposition, and RW have a high maintainence requirements, if you can't afford it, she would not be around for long. She may build a career,  of course on your dime. Look through the archives what they did after that.

I referenced a thread right now in the married section. Briefly the man paid for RW education and training, she became very successful, what she did after that you have to read for yourself, including her mug shots from the prison. She may be put away for ten years. You have to be completely stupid, not to learn that had he never helped her build a career, he would have never seen this day. Not rocket science.

Some people here think " Nah, this will never happen to me"; so many said that before them. This line is real naivette, but your will be surprised how many think that.
Again, I don't make the rules, I merely observe them, whether this is right or wrong is not for me to judge.

[BC]

Guys! Reading this forum the obvious question springs to my mind: "Why are you looking for Russian wife"? If you are worried so much about being used as a 'mule' or concerned about women ripping off your bank accounts, then wouldn't it be the safer option to look for a wife somewhere else.
 I'm sure there are plenty of honest and hard working american women are avaliable. Or maybe there are some other fairylands full of beautiful, honest, faithful, altruistic, willing young women?

Velena,

First, welcome!  Feel free to tell us more about yourself in the welcome section.

Why do guys look for a RW?

Some because they feel they 'missed the bus' somewhere along the way and have a hard time dating the women they drool over at home.
Some because they think they can somehow exercise more control over a FSU woman (i.e. dependance).
Some because they feel a sense of entitlement and do it because they 'can'.
Some watch too much porn.
Some really think FedEx will deliver.
Some are after a younger, more beautiful wife for the same reasons that a shiny car sits in their driveway.
A very few have a quite normal 'boy meets girl' experience.

[Misha]

Specially if the couple has children, she must raise the children as an attentive mother.

I agree with GOB, you can't order someone to be an attentive mother.

Incidently in my experience, this is what most of them want.

Sure, they want it as they are now overburdened with work, exhausted with long hours spent commuting and fantasize about how wonderful life would be sitting at home not working, but they may change their minds quite quickly once they have spent months in a suburb staying at home. What do you do then if that happens? Do you pull out your pre-nuptial agreement?

[Shadow]

An attractive woman can be very well educated, and very intelligent besides having long legs, and actually many in FSU are. She does not need to have a desire of clicking her heels all days in USA in an office someplace, away from her family; I can't see that as a plus.

Specially if the couple has children, she must raise the children as an attentive mother. That is far more important than pushing pencils somewhere.

Incidently in my experience, this is what most of them want.

Of course this is if you have the resources and don't need a second income. But then I have always maintained that marrying a RW is an expensive pursuit, if you don't have the money, and you can't afford one, a train wreck is waiting to happen sooner or later.  If more would listen to this, the train wrecks would be cut down substantially. You have to be able to afford a RW, if you can't you will cut a sorry figure.
I used to think that this was just an easy and simple pursuit, I no longer think so.

Women wish to be comfortable in life, and a husband who provides rather than that they have to work. However some would prefer to have other people to everything, except for spending money.
By looking especially for women who do not wish a career, you might get in to the pool of women who look for a sponsor, and do not care if he will marry them or not as long as they can get the lifestyle they want.

It is good to be in a position where your wife dos not need to have a career or to work. However that does not mean that she should also have no desire to anything else as be pretty and throw out babies.

[Shadow]

Guys! Reading this forum the obvious question springs to my mind: "Why are you looking for Russian wife"? If you are worried so much about being used as a 'mule' or concerned about women ripping off your bank accounts, then wouldn't it be the safer option to look for a wife somewhere else.
 I'm sure there are plenty of honest and hard working american women are avaliable. Or maybe there are some other fairylands full of beautiful, honest, faithful, altruistic, willing young women?

I was never worried about such things, as I believed to have the talent to recognize it.
As for a Russian wife, I was just lookinf for a wife. Did not make any difference to me where she would come from.

[BC]

I referenced a thread right now in the married section. Briefly the man paid for RW education and training, she became very successful, what she did after that you have to read for yourself, including her mug shots from the prison. She may be put away for ten years. You have to be completely stupid, not to learn that had he never helped her build a career, he would have never seen this day. Not rocket science.

Ya know.. I just looked through your posts back to July and couldn't find anything you 'referenced'..  Mind pointing us to it?

or are you talking about this?:

http://www.fox12idaho.com/Global/story.asp?S=11038008&nav=menu439_8_3_2

[ScottinCrimea]

Ambach's goal is to find a woman over whom he will have total control.  As such he seeks out women who don't have transferable job skills and will resist any effort on her part to get an education or find work that might make her potentially independent of him once she gets here.  He thinks having her pop out a quick baby or two will increase her dependence on him.  If all of that fails, he has a totally unfair and controlling prenup lined up to use as blackmail should she have any thoughts of leaving.

Ultimately, the very things he is doing to try to ensure she will never leave him are precisely the things that will drive her to want to get away, at whatever cost.

Anyone with any shred of experience and common sense knows that you CANNOT control a RW.  To even try is the quickest route to losing them.

[Daveman]

Valena; I will answer you.
I don't make value judgments, if you look through this board and the archives, you will see plenty of examples, what I have stated is stated by many many people of their experiences much more eloquently than me.



A wise man/ woman learns from others' experience.

That's true, but it seems the lessons usually don't "take' unless paid for with his/her own sweat and blood.  

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I referenced a thread right now in the married section. Briefly the man paid for RW education and training, she became very successful, what she did after that you have to read for yourself, including her mug shots from the prison. She may be put away for ten years. You have to be completely stupid, not to learn that had he never helped her build a career, he would have never seen this day. Not rocket science.

Some people here think " Nah, this will never happen to me"; so many said that before them. This line is real naivette, but your will be surprised how many think that.
Again, I don't make the rules, I merely observe them, whether this is right or wrong is not for me to judge.

Well, that's one way to look at it... another way is little more pragmatic - take the time to know your woman, and build solid honest to God love and devotion relations with a "free" woman (not a prisoner).

I agree that there is absolutely nothing wring with a woman being a homemaker... nothing at all, if that's what she WANTS.  The point is her FREEDOM to chose the path for her life, and if her free choices blend with your own.  A free woman will LOVE you, a prisoner will tolerate you until she can escape.  You can't make a housewife out of a career girl... back to that whole fitting together concept.  There are as many different kinds of men and women as there are colors in the spectrum... just have to find your matching colors and take the time to build something SOLID....

Of course, those are the opinions of a still single man trying to do that.. so maybe I'm full of crap, but I don;t think so.  Afterall, what man here is ever wrong? lol  :evil:

[BC]

Ambach's goal is to find a woman over whom he will have total control.

.....

Ultimately, the very things he is doing to try to ensure she will never leave him are precisely the things that will drive her to want to get away, at whatever cost.

Scott, I think he said it best himself:

With regard to my prospects, my record speaks for itself, those are not very good. Nonetheless I would give it a try. Finding a woman is never difficult, I have not been very lucky to keep them. We all have to bear our crosses.

[GoodOlBoy]

A free woman will LOVE you, a prisoner will tolerate you until she can escape.

 

GOB

[BC]

You may also use sites like this.

Back to the original topic....

Is interesting that these FSUW living in the US list themselves on a RU site with their profiles in Russian...

FSUW marries AM, they split up and she looks for FSUM in USA?..  or even sponsor a K1/3 to build the next generation?

Now that's a twist....

I think it's a long term plot by Putin to gradually take over the world.. he certainly knows well from his KGB days how vulnerable WM are when they think with their little head. He surely has the assets to do so..   

[Daveman]

Back to the original topic....

Is interesting that these FSUW living in the US list themselves on a RU site with their profiles in Russian...

FSUW marries AM, they split up and she looks for FSUM in USA?..  or even sponsor a K1/3 to build the next generation?

Now that's a twist....

I think it's a long term plot by Putin to gradually take over the world.. he certainly knows well from his KGB days how vulnerable WM are when they think with their little head. He surely has the assets to do so..   

 

That could be the simplest, most logical, Occam's Razor approved theory yet... Man, I think you nailed it!

[ECOCKS]

That could be the simplest, most logical, Occam's Razor approved theory yet... Man, I think you nailed it!

Assimilation as a means to conquest...

Maybe they are going for the Chinese strategy?

[Daveman]

Sorry for the interruption... a little thread sanitizer spread in the thread... the missing posts concerning slavery, or other specific member related interjections can be found here:

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=10209.0

we now return you to the original topic, already in progress.  :evil:

[LEGAL]

Daveman Nice job as usual. 

[JR]

       In browsing some of the web sites.....and EM comes to mind most readily...I see several women already living & working in the US, but I've not talked with any of them to find out their status.   Any imputs/warnings would be appreciated........Thanks.....Ulysses

I am talking/planning on meeting several here in the US. One came here on her own with no children, a good career and plenty of potential. Another was married to a WM for five years, has a child from the marriage and seems sincere.

I say go for it! All you have to lose is jet-lag