Greetings from Doug - 'Photo Guy'

[cameraguy]

Hi there. I surfed the web, ran across Dan, and he referred me here.
Excellent!  Here's my short story:
In late November I began looking at websites, like AFA's loveme.com,
Elena's Models, and AnastasiaWeb. The fantasies commenced and
I gathered a list of at least 20 beautiful/intriguing women. I was all
excited about a young woman in Almaty Kazakhstan. I sent her emails, letters, and phoned her.   ...No response. Oh well. Then I had
better luck with Larisa in Ukraine. She's 29 and I'm 52. Okay there's
that DANGEROUS age difference thing. But, I look younger than
52 and have always dated younger women. I even dated a 21 y.o.
two years ago, ..but I digress.

We've exchanged about 9 emails each. I've sent her two postal
letters with photos and a map of my state. It's going great. We both got 'good vibes' from each other's web profile. Our personalities
and needs match up well ...-so far, so good. I will phone her for the
first time early next week, with an interpreter on the line.

About the age thing. I think the danger exists with any large age
difference, even with local women. I can see that there might
be a problem in the future when I'm 70 and she's 47. Our lifestyles
may be quite different at that time. I would hope otherwise.
We have both stated that loyalty and devotion are important
and that's because my biggest fear would be that she would
leave me because of my age. On the other hand, I am definitely
not the jealous type. If we have 10 or 15 good years together,
it may be worth it anyway. I know guys who have divorced after 8 years and then are worse off than I am right now. I'm a single guy
without alimony or child support payments to make.   -doug

[anono]

hi doug, welcome to RWD (i dunno who the heck i think i am but i'll welcome you anyway...lol)

i'm a single guy without alimony or child suppot payment's to make either.

maybe that's one reason we haven't aged as much!

[Jack]

Welcome Cameraguy.

Seems your moving ahead in this pursuit pretty well for a relatively short period of time. I think you'll do well.

The key to success (not counting dumb luck), is education. The more you can learn the better you will do.

 

[cameraguy]

Hey thanks. After all of these years, I think I now finally know
what I want. I need openness, emotional support, affection,
loyalty, and a bunch of other stuff. I don't want emotional abuse
or a competitive relationship. I can't hold Larisa or look in her
eyes yet, so with emails I do what I can do - find out how her
mind works and see how we get along on an intellectual level.
We can also talk about our feelings and goals, etc. Something
I have learned is that love can more easily happen, when two
people are open to it, and allow themselves to be vulnerable
in a way that results in a powerful flow of energy, communication.
It can be quite metaphysical.  -doug

[Mamma D]

It can happen....but it doesn't very often and last for years.... It is a matter of working to make it work!  Often saying, "I am sorry" or finding love notes tucked in odd places, after half a century...A grandchild saying "Grandma I know who puts the candy in my pocket... you or grandpa." Habits are hard to break.

Let me tell you about two marriages that did last....
This couple met by accident....she was to met a sister. The sister never arrived .. but a young kid in uniform from Missouri did....She was the last one in the station, he asked for directions to the base .. and they were married one week later! She has been gone now for a couple of years, and he had a by-pass and heart valve re-placed today...all seven kids from, Florida, Alaska, Washington, and Oregon were at his side today. They were married 50 years.

The other couple were introduced at a party....I stood up for her one week later. They have been married 52 years, and he doesn't know her....much of the time. But he does like her, and says she has a nice smile! He had a massive stroke.
She is the best volunteer that extended care center has...
She is my sister.

Here you have two couples of the forties...and fifties totally committed.... never faltered.  

I dare say, that there will also be others, that will stand out as shining examples, in the years to come... sometimes there are things that you can only get through togather...
the loss of a child brings pain, that only two can manage togather... when two, becomes one strong unit.

http://www.klub-odgik.org.pl/bajerne/be_happy.swf

Mamma D

[Mamma D]

Naaaa it' that good old mississippi river breeze wafting along the Missouri shores!

Slightly purfumed by the air that comes west from Illinois!

Nice place to visit. but wouldn't care to live there!

Mamma D

[cameraguy]

Mamma,
Glad to meet you.
..but what is your point? Longevity isn't everything?
It's hard to follow what you're saying.  -doug

[LookingForRW]

Ah yes ,age diff. and men posting photos (for other men), I quess to agree they

"dont look their age"or  are YTTL (Younger Than They Look), abbrs. RW --Russian Women, AW- American Women,R- Ruusia

Warning you probably wont like my post.Its not PC.

How many people are "younger than they look"YTTL?.Awe c'mon just play along and
quess w/out getting too anal.Is it?,10-20-30-40-50%,surely it cant be 50% ,then
it would be common and not worth noting.I will quess and say its around 20%.
But apparently most to all on this list are YTTL.Now the hopeless optimists (HO),will say," maybe the
RW pursuit attracts the YTTL crowd".Not in my many years "in -country" and exp.
Ive been on a tour ,been 8 times ,speak some russian and have met many AM in country ,used to go to the expat hang outs and I have never met 1 that was YTTL(didn't say they don't exist).No I didn't ask all their ages.
I could just look at 95% of them
with their guts hanging out,balding,bad hygiene habits and GENERALLY IMHO, most are
socially challenged.If they are so desirable and YTTL, why arnt they hitting it off with AW?
Others posted that their RW or people in R. commented they are  YTTL (when told the mans age).
Did feeding your ego ,ever enter your mind?Did that newfound R. friend have anything to loose
and everything to gain by "stretching the truth"?Yeah I know its all a perception thing
and I/you cant prove how young or old you/I look or dont look.
Why am I posting this?
Could it be that the HO,others w/healthy egos,and the YTTL crowd are not quite
honest w/themselves?OOPs ,Im being "negative".Just trying to help.
 
The general feeling is 15 years age. diff. and 1 starts to "test fate".Please spare me of larger age gap examples.On a planet of 6 bil. people ,there are always examples.
 
Common sense still rules here.The larger the age gap the more problems.In R. its not a problem.But get her back to the good 'ol USA ,jealousy and immigrant "hate" will have all sorts of negative comments floating your way.
SOME agencys know this and post profiles of an 18yo RW "willing to accept" (she forgot to add money and gifts) from a man up to 50,60,years I seen 70 years old.
Does this make sense to you?Thinking with the big or upper head?

[anono]

looks like we've found our first troll

 

[Muzh]

looks like we've found our first troll

 

 

Sorry, he is just Frank.  You'll get to know him, right Frank?

[LookingForRW]

AHH ,so you didnt care for my little "reality check" .

What do you mean by "troll'?

Are you lookng for the all good ,no bad agency hype?

 

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[tim 360]

Well,  Frank or "Looking For RW" your post seems right on point to me...no troll here. Methinks.

Met plenty of women here who will proclaim they look younger than they are and....they're wrong and it's just a figment of their imagination and is not reality based.  It is just their vanity.

 

[cameraguy]

for Looking for RW,

Sure, a lot of what you say is true, but don't pretend it is all necessarily true. Anyone can present the truth in a way that is
rude and cynical. Those two qualities will not get you to where
you want to be, will it? Not very romantic. It's easy to be rude
while being anonymous. As for guys or gals looking younger
than their years, who cares? It only matters what the two
people, the couple think. If you 're saying all younger RW are
looking for is gifts is cynical -way too cynical. You're attitude is
so negative that you're probably existing in a dark cesspool
without close friends or a lover, and let me know if I'm being too
honest. Are you telling me that there are no happy couples
who have a large age difference? Even if the odds are slimmer
for the relationship to work, it can happen, and it's coldly
pragmatic to sit back and say, 'I will only play the best odds',
like a shy accountant who only goes for the sure bet. Life's
an adventure and a cynical attitude like yours won't get you
very far. Love can't be measured or predicted. I post my
photo because I'm new here. I don't give a shit if people
think I look young. Who cares? My guess is that in your
life, conditions have to be perfect for you to be happy and
your negative cynicism reflects your own unhappiness.
I don't like being so directly honest because it is a bit
rude, but wait a minute...I guess I'm just matching your own
crude communication style. Oops.
         The bottom line is that we all take our chances and we
all form our own attitudes. For your own good you should
adjust yours and let a guy like me roll the dice as I see fit.
You're view of marriage/dating is so cautious and cynical that you
are probably completely frozen. Why do anything at all?
...the outcome could be bad. Food for thought: the ego is
necessary. I'll boost hers as she boosts mine. When you
tell her you are are brutally honest, rude, and cynical,
what is her reaction?  Be truthful.   -doug  

[Maxx]

While your posting photos I'll post mine



"And I ain't going to take no guff off no RW! Oh Oh yes dear. Right away dear"  age 51

Like I said on another post to CG the best thing a guy can do is do the healthy life style thing. Be a fanatic about it. Getting a HRB (Hot Russian Babe) is easy. Keeping one happy and content for years to come is the trick.

To me success is to have your RW loyally by your side as your dying of old age and sexual exhaustion....

Maxx

 

[jb]

Maxx,

Good to see you here.  As I read some of these posts I'm reminded of the thread you had going for months on "the other" board.  I think it might be a wonderful idea to go over and cut and paste significant portions from that thread for some of the newbies here to read.  It would be an education. I'm still sorry Blackman got that thread shut down.

I don't harbor ill feelings towards any of the new guys, in fact I wish everyone the same success I enjoy. I do feel duty bound to try to make sure the Newbie's experience doesn't wind up like yours, that which can be discribed as something that becomes the number 1 item on your personal list of "100 Really Stupid Things I've Done Since Turning Twelve".

To my mind we can list outrageous age differences, lack of face time, not meeting a girl/woman in her home town, falling in love with a photograph, not having a good look in the mirror and see the real you, dating entirely out of your league, and perhaps a whole host of other mistakes a Newbie can make.  There's a million traps out there, MOB hype will suck the unsuspecting guy in and spit him out much sadder, and usually poorer, for the effort.

Maybe this new forum will give us the opportunity to explore some options for the Newbie, certainly we seem to already have the tools to turn this board into a positive force for good.


PS.  I did recieve an e-mail from "the other" board asking me if I'd like to return, (with conditions), however I don't feel comfortable being muzzled and not being able to address Newbie issues.  Might as well not bother if people can't be helped.

[Maxx]

The subject you refer to JB is so misunderstood and usually me with it. My epic story with 16,200 hits and counting is a rambling mess IMHO. But so is life.

Yes this new board and it is a nice one has some real potential for balanced education. But I am surprised my post below Cameraguy's other thread on his post got deleted. It wasn't meant to flame and I didn't and I thought it was pretty soft actually. If that goes how could a real eye-opener thread like you suggest stand a chance?

I do wish these guys never go through what I did (and maybe still am when I try and get through the INS with another K-visa ). So it would be good that they learn from my mistake.   

Maxx

  

[Son of Clyde]

Oh no! JB and Maxx, I hope I'm not in trouble now.

I changed my user name here in tribute to all the low budget horror movies I used to watch.

I'm still doing great with my lady after almost a year of correspondence, 11 days together and many hours on the phone. Plan to see her for 5 days in February and I will meet her son.

I believe there is a guy on that other board who started the K2 process after being with a lady for 2 or 3 days.

Hopefully I have a little more sense but time will tell.

Good to see you back jb and feel free to be as direct with me as always. I like you for it. As I said in another thread you remind me of my step father who seemed to care about my welfare but never agreed with me on anything.

Maxx, thanks for letting me know about RWD, it seems very nice here.

The image is from a gig my Cajun band played last summer. It was extremely hot and sunny that day which is why I'm wearing the cap.

[Jack]

Maxx, I read your comment,......But I am surprised my post below Cameraguy's other thread on his post got deleted. It wasn't meant to flame and I didn't and I thought it was pretty soft actually. If that goes how could a real eye-opener thread like you suggest stand a chance?......
 
 
Did you post something that got deleted?

[Son of Clyde]

Jack I can't read the green font from your post and it seemed to be important. Some colors do not show up well in messages.

[jb]

Good to see you back jb and feel free to be as direct with me as always. I like you for it. As I said in another thread you remind me of my step father who seemed to care about my welfare but never agreed with me on anything.

Thanks,,, I think...   But I'm not old enough to be your step-father, I'm not THAT much older than you are.  As far as I'm concerned Barney and Clyde are past history.  Although I did have some moments on the other board deciding if either of them have an IQ higher than a box of rocks.

I've seen your pics, and it looks as though you've got your act together now.  I wish you great success for the future.

[jb]

I'm glad to see the name change to "photoguy", actually, I'm kind of a photoguy myself.  I have a collection of antique film cameras, mostly 6X6 medium format, some 6X4.5, and some old fashioned 35mm stuff most folks wouldn't recognize.  I also have two B&W enlargers in the darkroom,(I have some other strange stuff in the closet), if anyone would like to know anything about Minolta AutoCord, Rolliflex, Mamiya, and a few others, let me know.  I've got some great help sites bookmarked.

All this has nothing to do with RWs, except when you marry one, they will without doubt, become your very own photo model.

[Son of Clyde]

jb I did not mean to insinuate that you are THAT OLD. It is just your demeanor that sometimes reminds me of him. He was a good guy. You are actually about the age of my good friend Norman and people always say he looks younger than me.

[Photo Guy]

I'm glad to see the name change to "photoguy", actually, I'm kind of a photoguy myself.  I have a collection of antique film cameras, mostly 6X6 medium format, some 6X4.5, and some old fashioned 35mm stuff most folks wouldn't recognize.  I also have two B&W enlargers in the darkroom,(I have some other strange stuff in the closet), if anyone would like to know anything about Minolta AutoCord, Rolliflex, Mamiya, and a few others, let me know.  I've got some great help sites bookmarked.

All this has nothing to do with RWs, except when you marry one, they will without doubt, become your very own photo model.

jb,
Yeah, i'm very much into the photo thing. After attending Brooks
Institute in Santa Barbara, I got away from it. Now I'm getting back
into it because digital has finally arrived. I've used 4x5 view
cameras, and 35mm SLRs for years. Now I've got a digital darkroom called 'Photoshop' !!!  It really kicks ***!
I want to do the gallery thing if I can, ..or at least flea markets.
I have to admit, I'd love to spend lots of time working with
a RW as a model. It could definitely happen...in the near future.
-doug

[jb]

photoguy,

I'd be happy to debate with you the virtues of digital vs. film, I also own two digital cameras, high dollar Sony, and  Nikon, and the digital darkrooms, PaintShopPro, Photoshop, and a few others.  IMHO, digital will not approach the quality of film until digital cameras get up to around 25-30  megapixel.  They just don't have the dynamic range of fine grain film yet.  My step-son is in love with the Sony Mavica, yet my Nikon N-80 blows him away with picture quality.

Still, digitals are fun to take on vacation, easy to use, and the cost of processing the pic's can't be beat.  But when you want something to hang on the wall you still need to get out a good quality medium format film camera.

Just my opinion.

[Admin]

photoguy,

I'd be happy to debate with you the virtues of digital vs. film, I also own two digital cameras, high dollar Sony, and  Nikon, and the digital darkrooms, PaintShopPro, Photoshop, and a few others.  IMHO, digital will not approach the quality of film until digital cameras get up to around 25-30  megapixel.  They just don't have the dynamic range of fine grain film yet.  My step-son is in love with the Sony Mavica, yet my Nikon N-80 blows him away with picture quality.

Still, digitals are fun to take on vacation, easy to use, and the cost of processing the pic's can't be beat.  But when you want something to hang on the wall you still need to get out a good quality medium format film camera.

Just my opinion.

My 20D is reportedly able to produce some extraordinary images - though I've quickly discovered the art of photography is in the 'eye' of the photographer - not the equipment he/she uses. Sure wish I could buy one of those somewhere.

- Dan

[jb]

    
Dan,

This is probably as good as it get's in digital.... Unless you want to spend the really big bucks for professional gear.

Nikon D-100, 6.1 Megapixel, SLR, Digital Camera Kit with Nikon 18-70mm f/3.5-4.5 G-AFS ED-IF DX Autofocus Lens.
Price After Rebate:  $1,299.95

However, 6.1 Megapixel only has the resolving power of about ASA/1000 35MM film, without the speed.

The "eye" you refer to is purchased with sweat and years of practice.

[wsbill]

Dan,

Looks like your message board is finally coming alive.  Great format, way easier to navigate through and it appears there aren't any flaming going on.  (LOL).

What I'd like to see is some detail trip reports from guys. 

[Photo Guy]

My 20D is reportedly able to produce some extraordinary images - though I've quickly discovered the art of photography is in the 'eye' of the photographer - not the equipment he/she uses. Sure wish I could buy one of those somewhere.

- Dan

The 20D is a great camera. Works for me!  -doug L.