More Bad News for Russia

[AkMike]

Thank You TMD, that was kind of you.

 RWD was around much before I began my quest. I learned a bunch from others mistakes and managed to find a wonderful woman on my first trip. I don't recall if I posted much about the early days on here. Do a search looking for my oldest posts. I know I've got a  few pics shown in the photo area here. Perhaps ML does also?
 I've been lucky and persistent with this lady and now I'm reaping the rewards. She's of course done the same and more. 

[AkMike]

Interfax reports the conviction of 2 Russian special forces soldiers in Kyiv to 14 years in prison. When they were first captured the admitted to being Russian soldiers, later recanted that finally they wanted to be declared POW's and therefore not to be tried.
 Note that this is the same case that their lawyer was murdered and the judge had his office fire bombed. Possibly to delay or frighten everyone involved in the trial away?

 Of course they should have claimed to be lost Russian tourists like others have.

There's a good timeline about this currently being shown at medusa.io if anyone would like to see more.

[AkMike]

A fresh study by Russian Institute of Social Analysis and Prognostics, says make up more than 50% of an average citizens' monthly spending goes for food along with liquor and tobacco products.

[AkMike]

At the Warsaw meeting in July, NATO plans to offer Tbilisi and Kyiv a newly devised status of "associate partnership," as well as a closer cooperation in the Black Sea area. Any attempts of agreement between NATO and the former USSR republics will make Moscow nervous and even more unpredictable, says New Europe, an English language paper

[msmobyone]

A fresh study by Russian Institute of Social Analysis and Prognostics, says make up more than 50% of an average citizens' monthly spending goes for food along with liquor and tobacco products.

..and your point ?

How is this 'bad' news... ? it COULD mean housing costs are low ..

Have you checked the prices of ciggies/ booze  in Russia.. they'd have to be buying a lot to make up a sizeable proportion of income

[AkMike]

It COULD mean that housing prices are down, but it still says that they are spending half their income for food, cigarettes and booze.

 I'm sure that you will attest that everything in Russia is peaches and cream. The streets are smooth and paved with gold. Everyone is flush with readily spendable cash and so forth.

 If you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig.

[msmobyone]

It COULD mean that housing prices are down, but it still says that they are spending half their income for food, cigarettes and booze.

 I'm sure that you will attest that everything in Russia is peaches and cream. The streets are smooth and paved with gold. Everyone is flush with readily spendable cash and so forth.

 If you put lipstick on a pig it's still a pig.

Not at all - this time is called the 'crisis'

But - that's mostly down to the oil price and the govt. spending on things they cannot afford... but MOST people think this is due to western sanctions - which is having the effect on people letting the govt. off the hook.


 

[AkMike]

There was nothing mentioned about sanctions nor a crisis. It simply stated that there's about 50% of take home wages getting spent on normal comsumables.

 An amount that is VERY high compared other countries.

[msmobyone]

There was nothing mentioned about sanctions nor a crisis.

http://uatoday.tv/business/russians-spend-half-of-their-income-on-food-633932.html

Where I found your data - both are mentioned....

 

An amount that is VERY high compared other countries.

Upon which countries do you base you assertion ?

Might I suggest you check neighbouring nations...

[msmobyone]

AKMike

I prefer to check stats - when there are other nations data to compare..

http://data.oecd.org/hha/household-disposable-income.htm

Unfortunately, this data is 2 years old - but it certainly shows a slowdown - WAY before the physical 'away games' started .. but Russia was on a par with Ireland and Estonia, then .... hardly third world poor

[AkMike]

http://uatoday.tv/business/russians-spend-half-of-their-income-on-food-633932.html

Where I found your data - both are mentioned....

That link mentions that I didn't.

 
Upon which countries do you base you assertion ?

Might I suggest you check neighbouring nations...

I don't recall saying which countries either. Stop trying to twist my words around to suit your needs.

[AkMike]

I doubt that this will makes sense to you but some of their findings I don't necessarily agree with. I did find it interesting about the amount spent of food and such so I shared that.

 That's all I said too. 

[fathertime]

A fresh study by Russian Institute of Social Analysis and Prognostics, says make up more than 50% of an average citizens' monthly spending goes for food along with liquor and tobacco products.

Here in many areas of the states it would take around 100% of middle earners income to buy a house...but food can be cheap...especially at the 99cent store.


Fathertime! 

[msmobyone]

stop trying to twist...to suit your needs ..

My agenda is simply to counter folk who post misleading stuff to promote THEIR agenda ... that applies to anyone.

I doubt that this will makes sense to you but some of their findings I don't necessarily agree with.

Based on what premise?

I did find it interesting about the amount spent of food and such so I shared that.

 That's all I said too. 

I think you can quit with the 'innocence' ... If you were reg. posting stuff that reflected something negative about Ukraine - that would be believable.

Again, I blame the current Russian leadership for much of the mess ... but I try to remain objective and certainly don't celebrate the loss of life...

If it needs explaining - I've lived in both sides of Ireland - been with ppl who were sad the IRA missed bombing John Major's cabinet meeting, Cyprus - were the ethnicities live apart and know Russia / Ukraine well ...ALL are lovely people - for whom the historical decisions of past / present leaders create problems.

I really believe we should let women be leader more often ... 

[AkMike]

And yet with all your blustering, the statement I said about the 50% of the household budget for food ect.  still stands intact..   

[JayH]

Again, I blame the current Russian leadership for much of the mess ... but I try to remain objective and certainly don't celebrate the loss of life...

Duh!

I would happily send the entire Russian military to their graves if that was going to save one decent Ukrainian-- and most particularly--if those deaths is what it would take for the Russian people to understand THEIR culpability in the deaths of THOUSANDS of innocent Ukrainians
by their CHOOSING not face up to a war against innocent people being conducted by the Russian leaders.
I said before your pious comments are so far out of touch with reality and now you have the temerity to think you are on the high moral ground!

[JayH]

Meanwhile--

The cretin could have been helping his mother out-in Rostov  where she was murdered in her own home.
Where was he?

Donovorosilsya cock! Motorola's mother found shot to death ...

http://elise.com.ua/?p=188516#

[JayH]

Meanwhile-
Astronaut showed Kerch bridge from space


http://www.amn.com.ua/podiyi/astronavt-pokazal-kerchenskyj-most-yz-kosmosa/

[Muzh]

I said before your pious comments are so far out of touch with reality and now you have the temerity to think you are on the high moral ground!

LMFAO


You would be the last person to make a statement like that.

[AkMike]

The Moscow Times reports that Russia’s C.E.C. (Central Electoral Commission)  has ordered authorities to toss out results from Barvikha  voting.
Four candidates that belong to Alex Navalny’s Anti-Corruption Fund claimed voting violations and withdrew after the vote.
 They claim about 30% of the so called voters were bussed in from outside the town of Barvikha.

 That's surprising after the 128% voter turnout that happened in Crimea for the "annexation"  after the invasion was totally accepted without question.. 

 

[fathertime]

Duh!

I would happily send the entire Russian military to their graves if that was going to save one decent Ukrainian--

Thankfully you have no power and never will.


Fathertime! 

[msmobyone]

And yet with all your blustering, the statement I said about the 50% of the household budget for food ect.  still stands intact..   

 

and it  is still  as  meaningless - I see far more homeless folk on the streets in UK cities- than in Russia

[AkMike]

Ex. Secretary of State Madeleine Albright probably got to be on the top of the list for a polonium cocktail for remarks made about he Huilomeister.

Statements included, “smart but truly evil man.”, “a KGB officer, who wants to keep everything under control and believes that everyone conspires against Russia.”.

 And then she may have struck a raw nerve by stating," “Russia is a country that provokes and then feels insulted.”

[southernX]

moby ..and it  is still  as  meaningless

we have family in russia and for them it is not meaningless
they are now restricted on their buying power and travel etc
they are finding inflation on food difficult , of course there not complaining too much , as that is not there way

they just buckle down and ''endure '' but it certainly has gotten harder for the average family to balance there budget across most areas , , regardless of the reasons why

SX

[AkMike]

and it  is still  as  meaningless - I see far more homeless folk on the streets in UK cities- than in Russia

  Are you bragging or complaining? 

It has a lot of meaning because this is what was happening in the 2008 meltdown. The same 50%..   If you were around then you'd know just how serious it is. Yet Putler insists on increasing the military with the people suffer.

 I have no idea how Russia will survive now that they have totally BANNED Turkish Eggplants. Oh Horrors