DOUBLE DEALERS

[WmGO]

As I failed to persuade Eduard to elaborate on spotting pros and skanks, let
me just say for the benefit of any WM who ever reads this thread that I agree
with the following comments by Gator:

... I avoided women with Internet photos showing them in bikinis, dolled up with heavy makeup, or posing provocatively.  In addition, their profile must speak a message of wholesome values.  Then when talking with them, they had to seem genuine, able to discuss a serious subject in an intellectual manner.

I would add that focusing on women with a university education, a full time job, who
lives at home with her parents - and an  intact family, helps to reduce this problem. Also
a woman who does not hang out in discos every single weekend.

A woman with no job but who always has money, nice clothes and something
going on would be a red flag to me.

Also agree with Jet's comments.

[Kuna]

Eduard,

You're mastery of human behaviour becomes more mythical per post...

I have no vested interest in RWD, but the following is obvious:

I feel (and I'm not alone) that many RWD members don't actively participate in this forum because they don't want to get into pointless arguments with very few and very prolific and agressive members.

Care to name the others that share your thoughts on this???  Or do you simply imply that you're simply a voice of many? 

Out of aproximately 3,000 members how many actually do post?
I've got no stats, but it seems to me like a VERY law percentege...something to think about..

I know there are MANY members AND non-members that visit, read, consume and consider the information posted in RWD yet feel no need or compulsion to post.  How do I know??? I see their names in the active members panel on the right of the screen.

Others come here to contribute to discussions...  and a very few offer grotesque marketing of questionable services.

The great shame are those that travel to FSU without visiting here first. If more found this place I believe more would be successful...  and less would make obvious mistakes!

and WmGO you seem to accuse me of things with absolutely no way to back it up <<<Admittedly, due to my hatred of fraud, lies and deception, I occassionally use the bull*** and horse**** phrases>>>>, so I'm not going to respond to you any more.

I just love your stereotypical retreat when you can't justify the BS you spread...  you do it frequently but you still don't realise why members here (who are not fools) see right through you and your pitch.

As I failed to persuade Eduard to elaborate on spotting pros and skanks, let
me just say for the benefit of any WM who ever reads this thread that I agree
with the following comments by Gator:

I would add that focusing on women with a university education, a full time job, who
lives at home with her parents - and an  intact family, helps to reduce this problem. Also
a woman who does not hang out in discos every single weekend.

A woman with no job but who always has money, nice clothes and something
going on would be a red flag to me.

Also agree with Jet's comments.

WmGO,

You make an excellent point on preparation for a trip and who we (men) should be seeking.

I know some on this journey find it almost impossible not to get caught up in photos but something I TRIED to do when I was searching profile was to ignore photos until the comments caught my attention.  I need someone who can keep me emotionally engaged - not just physically tempted.

If a man seeks out those most appealing photos or the most alluring poses he will meet with far more risks than if he tries to assess profiles based on what the ladies say.  Of course it's no guarantee that someone is just "pretending" but I think men are the ones that put themselves at greater risk most of the time.



Dan, I don't think anyone would object to you deleting the posts that detract value from Sandro's thread...  the original thread is very entertaining AND informative regarding just one of the dangers in this caper!  It seems any thread polluted by Eduard just ends up being a clone of all others.

Sorry for my interjection!   

[BillyB]

One nice thing about dating sites is that the women can write whatever they want without input from an agency and you can find all sorts unique profiles from women who'd normally be advertised on marriage agencies as wholesome marriage minded women.

To get back on topic, this woman considers herself a little vampire and is into marketing. What is she marketing, Sandro?

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/667/667381P2.html

This woman is into "public relations". I would guess she's more into "relations with the public" since she's open to dating men up to 99 years old. Unfortunately for her, the site does not accommodate men's ages over 99 so her dating pool is limited.

http://freepersonals.ru/showProfile.da?id=275266&photo=4

[SANDRO43]

To get back on topic, this woman considers herself a little vampire and is into marketing. What is she marketing, Sandro?

Buddhism ?

[Misha]

To get back on topic, this woman considers herself a little vampire and is into marketing. What is she marketing, Sandro?

http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/667/667381P2.html

She also writes: " I am searh for that man man who will fall in love with me. Take care about me. And will protect me." Translation: I am a spoiled princess looking for a sugar daddy (in other words marketing herself). Trust me, she will suck some man dry (financially speaking) 

[Eduard]

It's interesting to see that on bride.ru a 19 yo would widen her range of acceptable men up to 42 y.o. where as in the real world (local Russian dating sites) a 19 y.o. would usually limit the acceptable age to 25-26, maximum 30 in some rare cases...
By the way would anyone actually consider a girl who posts these kind of pics for a wife???

[viking]

Now is she being honest or just another ploy to capture your attention?


http://www.merrydating.com/profile.php?pid=74391

[BillyB]

Now is she being honest or just another ploy to capture your attention?


http://www.merrydating.com/profile.php?pid=74391

Funny, She tells men in her profile not to ask for her naked pictures while she submits a photo of herself minus the panties.

[SANDRO43]

Ideal partner:
Also I wish to tell that for anybody not the secret, that is now created on sites of acquaintances, and is very a pity to me, that women deceive men because of money,Just remember, if somebody asks you for money it is 100 % SCAM and this profile must be black listed. I do not agree that it is 100 % Scam, it is silly so to approve, though I know, that 90 % of women being here scammers! But it is necessary to live and be more vigilant! I shall tell to you frankly because I opened the woman

Both of you missed the most interesting point, a novel method to detect scammers: live, non-post-mortem dissection .

[viking]

Hey Sandro

I am missing your point. Matbe I am having a bad brain day. Can you expand?

[myrddin]

He's just kidding, vike.  (We hope!)  The text he bolded implies taking a look inside a physical body (by cutting it open!)

Maybe it's a science thing - when I read the text "I opened the woman", I had a similar vision.  But I wouldn't admit that in public.    And of course the theory rests on the premise that a scammer's insides are detectably different from an honest person's....

[SANDRO43]

Hey Sandro I am missing your point. Matbe I am having a bad brain day. Can you expand?

Viking, Myrddin got it (black humour ) .

[viking]

Hmmm. Sandro, mortician personified?  Scammer Forensics? Got it. Thanks Myrddin.

[SANDRO43]

Back on topic .

Here's new entry no. 56 in my list (http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm), lovely 27 y.o. Irina/20 y.o. Zhenya from Kiev.

[SANDRO43]

Here's another one .

Angelika from SPB/Minsk is unusual in giving a 'professional' age (32) higher than her dating age (24 in 2005), unlike what all her other 'sisters' do.

She's entry no. 57 at http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm.

[SANDRO43]

... and again !

Marina/Alina, entry no. 58 at http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm.

[SANDRO43]

Natalia/Olya from St. Petersburg, entry no. 59 at http://www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm.

[SANDRO43]

I have a couple of 'professionals', 18 yo Lana and 36 yo Svetlana, whom I am sure also had dating profiles (at Anastasya & Co. ?), but cannot find them.

I wonder if anybody has seen them somewhere and can trace them, so that I can include them in my list of Double Dealers (www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm).

DEVELOPMENTS IN THE PROFESSIONAL AREA
1. Since the beginning of the year, I have witnessed an upsurge in Ukrainian sites (some 12+), mostly Kiev-based but also from other cities (for danger-lovers, 2 girls are operating in Chernobyl ).

2. Whereas previously UKR girls, like their SPB sisters, took pains to hide their identity by concealing their faces (averted, photo-blurred, wearing masks/sunglasses, etc.), now both have apparently become as carefree as their Moscow colleagues.

3. Photo 'borrowing' continues unabated, with some sources being VERY popular:
- Czech porn star Jana Cova: 48 'borrowers'
- Lithuanian model Jurgita Valts: 25 'borrowers'
- Canadian escort Rikki: 6 'borrowers'
- Russian model Irina Voronina: 6 'borrowers'

[valence]

Staggering.   

Keep up the good work, Sandro!

[SANDRO43]

Staggering.    Keep up the good work, Sandro!

Val, this specific type of scam is little-known (it seems I am the only person who discovered and reported it ), but fortunately of limited proportions: over some 4 years I found out those ~60 cases only.

The total should not really include those 4 'photo-borrowers'. Theirs is an identity fraud alright, but since photos are my only possible link between daters and hookers (different names, ages, email addresses, locations, etc.), and since those photos belong to a 3rd party, probably there is no connection between the two categories, as in the other cases showing their own photos (apparently and for now, until otherwise found  ).

[SANDRO43]

(apparently and for now, until otherwise found  ).

I just discovered yet another of my DDs 'borrowing' photos of others, in this case those of 25 y.o. Playboy Playmate Kimberly Holland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Holland) .

[2tallbill]

I just discovered yet another of my DDs 'borrowing' photos of others, in this case those of 25 y.o. Playboy Playmate Kimberly Holland (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kimberly_Holland) .

Is it possible that a girls MOB agency photo could be borrowed by an online
prostitution businessman as well?

[Shadow]

Is it possible that a girls MOB agency photo could be borrowed by an online
prostitution businessman as well?

Yes it is possible. However in the case of using a US playboy model, chances that she is enlisted in a MOB site as Russian are pretty slim.
There have been some cases where the pictures of Dutch 'Soccer wife' Sylvie van der Vaart has been used for a night club in Florida and a brothel in Spain.

[SANDRO43]

Is it possible that a girls MOB agency photo could be borrowed by an online prostitution businessman as well?

Possible, but I'd say unlikely in the case of the typically more modest photos on dating sites. For what purpose ?

Kimberley's photos for instance are used by 15 different hookers on 15 different sites, the purpose being self-promotion/marketing, as in the case of scammers.

[SANDRO43]

A long time since I posted an update, but here she is, Alina/Oksana, my DD no. 59 .

www.floriani.it/sitirussi/doublegallery-eng.htm