Hello guys!

[GM_Rod]

"Never tell me the odds" Han Solo.

Depends if you are talking for long term relationship/marriage vs finding a girl to date.

Speaking from personal experience,  the women in Russian are more genuine and friendly than in North America.  Most won't give you attitute if you try to talk to them, ask them out...

I've lived in Russia, Asia, North America, England.  Russia was the easiest place for me to meet and date girls.

STAR WARS FAN!!

Dude you're so getting invited to my wedding.

[GM_Rod]

..and how are your 'plans'  working out, oh 'expert' ?

Actually, I can't complain!

I've been proposed to a couple times, and there were a couple other instances where I could have proposed if I wanted to and they'd have said yes.

But... I'm picky so... still looking.

Let's see what happens with this one eh? Cross your fingers :-)

[msmob]

Actually, I can't complain!

I've been proposed to a couple times, and there were a couple other instances where I could have proposed if I wanted to and they'd have said yes.

But... I'm picky so... still looking.

Let's see what happens with this one eh? Cross your fingers :-)

I appreciate this is 'your' thread...but you are not called Trenchcoat...to whom the Q was aimed! )

My fingers are always crossed for those who dare to dream ...

[Boethius]

"Never tell me the odds" Han Solo.

Depends if you are talking for long term relationship/marriage vs finding a girl to date.

Speaking from personal experience,  the women in Russian are more genuine and friendly than in North America.  Most won't give you attitute if you try to talk to them, ask them out...

I've lived in Russia, Asia, North America, England.  Russia was the easiest place for me to meet and date girls.

The OP said he was playing the odds. Statistically, the odds are against him, your anecdotal experience notwithstanding. 

[Boethius]

Exactly!! The odds are ALWAYS against us.

This is why we need to try to manipulate as much as we can.

For example:

Country A: 8 out of 10 women are gorgeous
Country B: 3 out of 10 women are gorgeous

Now, people are people, right? So typically a man is looking for a number of things in a woman, but almost all of the time it will also include beauty.
Where does he have better odds of finding it? Country A or B?

;-)

So admit it is the mundane-physical appearance, rather than going off into some tangent on inner superior qualities, which I know for a fact is cr@p.

[Sting23]

STAR WARS FAN!!

Dude you're so getting invited to my wedding.

HAHA thanks man!  The original trilogy is still the best.  the plot for the Last Jedi was so wacked out it wasn't even like a real Star Wars movie.

[Sting23]

The OP said he was playing the odds. Statistically, the odds are against him, your anecdotal experience notwithstanding.

Nah, Rod's gonna do just fine.  When dealing with relationships it's never about odds or stats, it's how 2 people will work or not work together.

[Sting23]

So admit it is the mundane-physical appearance, rather than going off into some tangent on inner superior qualities, which I know for a fact is cr@p.

he's from Brazil. i'm sure there's equally stunning looking women down there.

[Boethius]

I am responding to what he posted.

[Sting23]

He didn't say they were only better looking but that they had better attributes. at least that's my take. otherwise why waste all this time going over there.

[Boethius]

And I posted they don’t have better attributes. Because they don’t.

[Sting23]

Certainly not all but there are good and bad people everywhere.  You just gotta find the good ones.

[msmob]

I see our sting is having his reading comprehensions issues - again ...

[GM_Rod]

I appreciate this is 'your' thread...but you are not called Trenchcoat...to whom the Q was aimed! )

My fingers are always crossed for those who dare to dream ...

Lol sorry, good ol' trench is definitely our comic relief here eh?

[GM_Rod]

And I posted they don’t have better attributes. Because they don’t.

Yes, they do.

[GM_Rod]

So admit it is the mundane-physical appearance, rather than going off into some tangent on inner superior qualities, which I know for a fact is cr@p.

At first? Yes it is.

You don't walk over and talk to someone you don't find attractive.

But, if that was the ONLY criteria, I'd be married by now.
No, they must also have the "other" requirements.

[Boethius]

Yes, they do.

No, they don’t. Unlike you, I speak the languages fluently. I lived in Ukraine. I have seen a lot, the good and the bad. When I tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about here, I am not mistaken.

[Sting23]

No, they don’t. Unlike you, I speak the languages fluently. I lived in Ukraine. I have seen a lot, the good and the bad. When I tell you that you don’t know what you’re talking about here, I am not mistaken.

Small point but I believe his current girl is from Russia not Ukraine.  I've never been to Ukraine but if they are as bad as you say why would anyone bother going there. 

There do seem to be more scammers from Ukraine than Russia on the stories I've read on this forum.

[Boethius]

I’m not saying they are bad. Just that as a whole, they are no better than women anywhere else on earth, in terms of attitudes and character. That goes for RW as well.

People should look for what they want in life, but do so with eyes wide open, rather than  resorting to inaccurate stereotypes or speculation.

[wallm]

I agree with Boethius 100%. Gulp....I will go take a shower now.

Stop putting these FSUW women on a pedestal. They are no better than locals.

[Sting23]

The vindictive FSU women from what I've read here seem to have no boundaries. Luckily I've personally never met one nor experienced their behaviour.  Plenty of fish in the sea as the saying goes. 

I will say the Russian ladies I've dated have outshined the women from other countries especially from Britain!  but that's another story for another day.

[Boethius]

 
There do seem to be more scammers from Ukraine than Russia on the stories I've read on this forum.

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The reason for more stories about Ukrainian scammers is because more men go to Ukraine, due to the visa free regime. Also, there is a MOB industry there that doesn’t really exist in Russia anymore.

[BillyB]

if you looked at my Tinder results when I'm in Brazil, and when I set it to Kiev. Night and day difference. Then again this last bit would be only about looks, but...

Tinder isn't the best place to find marriage material but even on dating sites, there's a night and day difference between those in the FSU and in America. Lots of good women in America but a higher percent are married and stay married. Quality women in the FSU tend to hold out till they find what their worth allows them to find or get divorced and are more selective the second round.

Country A: 8 out of 10 women are gorgeous
Country B: 3 out of 10 women are gorgeous

Now, people are people, right? So typically a man is looking for a number of things in a woman, but almost all of the time it will also include beauty.
Where does he have better odds of finding it? Country A or B?

Beauty is one place a guy can upgrade in the FSU. Beauty can give a small indication how healthy a person is on the inside. If a person lets themselves go physically and has poor hygiene, chances are they aren't mentally healthy. Mentally unhealthy people have a tendency to let their bodies, house, and lives go.

[Sting23]

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The reason for more stories about Ukrainian scammers is because more men go to Ukraine, due to the visa free regime. Also, there is a MOB industry there that doesn’t really exist in Russia anymore.

Good point. Forgot that you don't need a visa to go there.  There was a comment from an earlier thread that deals with this.

  Somehow your story keeps screaming "Ukraine!!!" at me. Surely there are women to stay away from in Russia as well but in this particular case I'd bet she is from Ukraine. With so many WM choosing Ukraine over Russia to look for a wife I think it's important to point out that this kind of "User Culture" is very prominent in Ukraine, much more so than in Russia IMO, and that men should exercise even more caution when looking for a life partner in Ukraine.

[msmob]

I will say the Russian ladies I've dated have outshined the women from other countries especially from Britain!  but that's another story for another day.

Posters should be aware that our stinger has experience of London and Dover in the UK

Once again, the guys who are successful in this venture would be successful anywhere ..   

Personally speaking, I chose to go the FSU route as I like the exotic mix of East, West, Scandinavian and other ingredients.