Polish Women and Virginity

[msmob]

Sadly this site does seem to have 2 extremes.   Rose tinted glasses wearing old men or the other end of the scale roost v pick up artists.  With little information for the second wife seeking man who is trying to read a few posts as some guidance.

The extremes are you and Trench

One of you finds it hard to get a date - at all and the other one - chooses g/friends / partners / wives that 2-time ...

BOTH of you need to think...WHERE am I going wrong ?

[SteveInBoston]

I missed the UK ( Britain)  [ 'England' is but a part of the United Kingdom of Great Britain and N. Ireland ] declaring war on the USSR in 1939

You are correct.   GB never declared war on the Soviet Union, and vice-versa.  Russia was content with just warring wih Poland and the Ballkan countries, and Finland.

[msmob]

You are correct.  GB [ Britain / United Kingdom ( GB excludes N.,Ireland - a constituent part of the UK) ]  never declared war on the Soviet Union, and vice-versa.  Russia was content with just warring wih Poland and the Ballkan countries, and Finland.

Interestingly, the USSR declared war on Finland in '41 and grabbed Karelia - at great proportional loss...The Finns allowed the Nazis to traverse their territory to get to Norway and then ( ultimately ) sided with the allies - having to 'give up' more of Karelia as 'war reparations' to the USSR .....

[Trenchcoat]

Like YOU would know - given your 'successful trips'.....

There's plenty of guys who have married - and are STILL married to UA wives 

The rest of your post is pure nonsense - based on your dubious 'criteria'

Well saying what I just said got me thinking Mobers. It occurred to me that the Ukrainian Police Girl I met on the train in Lviv last summer might/probably inadvertently have categories me as a sex tourist. She had paid for my bottle of water even though I had offered. Now someone said afterwards that this was because she saw me as a friend and this is probably the case where a girl buys the guy a drink in Ukraine. However, she was definitely eyeing me up for most of the trip. She was a few years older than me, 42 I think it was and of course at that age and me being a foreigner and all the offer to buy a drink (I had even suggested some place outside the station) can only mean one thing - sex & sex tourist. Me asking to connect on social media, etc probably didn't help either. At her age she would have thought herself as only any good to a man for sex and probably didn't take to the idea of just being another sex tourist's quick shag as she probably saw it.

I think a thread on how to date in the FSU while avoiding looking like a sex tourist could be needed here.

[msmob]

She was a few years older than me, 42 I think it was and of course at that age

WTF does 'that age' mean ?  'Desperate' ?  )))

At her age she would have thought herself as only any good to a man for sex

 

You really are a clueless IDIOT ...  I know plenty of 40+ FSU ladies who are extremely fussy ...not at all desperate

I think a thread on how to date in the FSU while avoiding looking like a sex tourist could be needed here.

I'm sure it will be more hilarious Trench 'theories' ....

[Boethius]

Boethius you seem to trust publications more than people. 

No, but people's perceptions are shaped by their environments and confirmation bias.  There is no need for government to lie about the state of marriage.

Radical feminism and multi culturalism has happened in the UK.  In UK schoolgirls are taught to compete with boys.  In  f s u girls are encouraged to be loving  and family orientated.

ROFL.  In Soviet times, the concept of national identity was obliterated.  So, when the USSR collapsed, of course expressions of nationalism, which were unnaturally oppressed during Soviet times, reemerged, often, in very ugly ways.  This is not a "plus" of the FSU.

In the FSU, girls are not encouraged in schools to be "loving and family oriented".  As in the West, they tend to be better students, at an early age, than are boys.  However, unlike in the West, the society devalues women to a degree, and the harshness of life is what keeps families closer together.

You have relatively little experience with Ukrainians, and therefore, view them through rose coloured glasses.  I come from Ukrainian diaspora, and lived cheek to jowl with Ukrainians, in Ukraine, for over half a decade.  For every story you can tell me about the "horrors" of UK women, I can respond with three about Ukrainians.

Note - I am not suggesting Ukrainians are "bad", just that the same archetypes exist in every society.  You just don't see it, either because you can't, or won't.

UK no sexy women in adverts and Bill boards in Ukraine plenty.   On tv  no sexy rolls for women Russian tv plenty. 

That is relatively new in Ukraine.  But I think those "sexy roles" feed into unrealistic stereotypes for simple minded people.

My own wife cheated with almost any man she  came into contact with.  Another friend his wife was meeting truck drivers in lay bys.  Another friend had  daughter and 2 nd daughter was by an affair wife would not do DNA test.  So many other stories I could tell.  But then I dated Ukraine who had been married 15 years divorced 4 years with a 5 year old son who was still in an affair with an English man for 10 years  and left her husband because he was lazy her version.  My version he found out is my guess.  So maybe ukranain women  are just more crafty when playing away.

As I posted in the past, I could recount almost identical stories in Ukraine.  My grandmother, God rest her soul, used to tell similar stories from her village (usually with the obligatory warning of what we'd call "karma" hitting those women on their deathbeds). 

In my work life here, I have seen a lot of cheating men - not affairs, typically one night, or one week stands - far, far more than women cheating.  These things can't really be hidden, someone observant always knows.  Typically, I learned by accident - I never looked for these things because it's none of my business. 

What I see with UW, overall, is they will stay with a foreign man provided he can support them.  If he runs into financial difficulty, they are gone.

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[Boethius]

In fairness there are quite a few guys on here that are now with theit second wife from the FSU. I think Ukraine is probably not the best place to go if you're serious about finding a second wife. It's basically the playground of the Roosh type of sex tourist, has been for a long time now. I think it's that way as Ukrainian girls and methods of dating are an easy fit for sex tourists. As Krimster describes it can often fall into the category of 'here's a present', 'ok I'll get my knickers off'. Many girls are used to that situation over there from what I read, it's alien to western society but quite usual for them. It's a fun place to go but what with the long established sex tourist and scammer industry makes it harder to find a serious woman and convince her you are serious. Guys have managed to find a wife in Ukraine but it's probably an easier game going to either Belarus or Russia where there tends to be less of both sex tourists and scammers. Best bet in Russia appears to be outside of Moscow & St. Petersburg  since sex tourists will rarely travel to the more far flung parts of Russia. With Belarus opening it's door more sex tourists are likely to show up there but to be honest most will probably still head for Ukraine. Ukrainian girls are well socialised into the sex game dating scene so it's easiest territory for them. Ukrainian girls are a lot of fun but unfortunately it's often a struggle to find a serious one.

One of the reasons my better half finds WM who go to Ukraine disgusting creatures is because he says they prey on economic disparity.  In his words, "They think they are better because they have $1 more in their pocket."  He views it as exploitation by lowlifes.

I believe sometimes, he is too extreme in his perspectives, but he is on to something.  The fact, Trench, that you can't see why UW are "taking off their knickers" tells me a lot. 

There are a lot of serious UW.  They typically are not interested in dating foreign men.

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[krimster2]

 "My grandmother, God rest her soul, (GENEFLECTING)"
there...fixed that for you!!!

warning of what we'd call "karma" hitting those women on their deathbeds"


gawd, Russians are EVIL people!
whatz the Russian word for the German word Schadenfreude
it's the ONLY joy Russians ever feel...

[Boethius]

Well saying what I just said got me thinking Mobers. It occurred to me that the Ukrainian Police Girl I met on the train in Lviv last summer might/probably inadvertently have categories me as a sex tourist. She had paid for my bottle of water even though I had offered. Now someone said afterwards that this was because she saw me as a friend and this is probably the case where a girl buys the guy a drink in Ukraine. However, she was definitely eyeing me up for most of the trip. She was a few years older than me, 42 I think it was and of course at that age and me being a foreigner and all the offer to buy a drink (I had even suggested some place outside the station) can only mean one thing - sex & sex tourist. Me asking to connect on social media, etc probably didn't help either. At her age she would have thought herself as only any good to a man for sex and probably didn't take to the idea of just being another sex tourist's quick shag as she probably saw it.

I think a thread on how to date in the FSU while avoiding looking like a sex tourist could be needed here.

No, she just interacted with you in a normal way, the same way she would have interacted with a UM old enough to be her father.  Ukrainians are exceptionally hospitable.  For all you know, she could have been married.

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[Boethius]

My grandmother was not Russian.  But, thank you for missing the point.

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[krimster2]

"One of the reasons my better half finds WM who go to Ukraine disgusting creatures is because he says they prey on economic disparity.  In his words, "They think they are better because they have $1 more in their pocket."  He views it as exploitation by lowlifes."

what a great "Soviet" thinker your husband is!
to view a social transaction freely entered into by two consenting adults as exploitation
all the animals MUST be equal!
too bad that's not reality, didn't he once live in a place that tried that, how'd it WORK OUT???

[krimster2]

"My grandmother was not Russian.  But, thank you for missing the point."

I never MISS the point!!!
where ever I shoot, I just draw the bulls-eye around that
it's called WINNING!!!

[Boethius]

You show me women who are economically independent bedding, let alone marrying, men who are poverty stricken and ten to thirty years older than are they, and you will have an equivalency.  Until then, you are in denial because you don't want to face some unpleasant truths.

It has nothing to do with equality, and really, how "free" are individuals if they are struggling daily to survive?

Why is there no MOB industry in the Baltic republics?  Why not in the Czech Republic?  Hungary?  All of the foregoing countries have roughly the same societal attitudes toward women as does Ukraine.

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[krimster2]

“you show me women who are economically independent bedding, let alone marrying, men who are poverty stricken and ten to thirty years older than are they, and you will have an equivalency.  Until then, you are in denial because you don't want to face some unpleasant truths.”



which truth is that BO?
that Ukrainian women are MUCH more interested in men with money then in men without!!!
who is that truth unpleasant for?
certainly not for me or the men involved!!!!
if women didn't have this preference then men wouldn't use it as leverage, slovo...


there's no equivalency in your meaning , just in the quid pro quo meaning
all social interaction is transactional
western men have more to trade with Ukrainian women than they do with Western women
nothing wrong with them doing what is essentially a sales promotion
haven't you gotten used to living in a capitalist society yet BO???

[The Natural]

My grandmother was not Russian.

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First, I'm, so happy Google had nothing to do with this filth.....

Thanks, but what was she (the grandmother)? Ukro, Polish, Belarussian, USA'ian, Vietnamesian, south-ossetian, noth korean, Vietnam...no I mentioned that already....what... hehe , just kiddin'


Yeeeessss, out dear poster from Down uiiiinder, I've had a FEW...happy now???? haha, know I am at least...not a nazifan, but otherwise IM all fun and game......so...so long and have a nice day..have a real nice day!

Fort the normal guys (if there's anyone left): Have a jolly good week-end With Your wonderful wife and children and I will see you at golf on Monday.

PS. I can leave a meaningless post just as well as the NeXT guy.

[Boethius]

“you show me women who are economically independent bedding, let alone marrying, men who are poverty stricken and ten to thirty years older than are they, and you will have an equivalency.  Until then, you are in denial because you don't want to face some unpleasant truths.”



which truth is that BO?
that Ukrainian women are MUCH more interested in men with money then in men without!!!
who is that truth unpleasant for?
certainly not for me or the men involved!!!!
if women didn't have this preference then men wouldn't use it as leverage, slovo...


there's no equivalency in your meaning , just in the quid pro quo meaning

A majority of women world over are more interested in men with money than men without.  But men with money typically recognize this.  It is only on boards like this that men delude themselves into believing it is not the potential of a life abroad, in a country where life is easier, that makes them attractive.


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[krimster2]

"PS. I can leave a meaningless post just as well as the NeXT guy."

no, I think yours are better!!

[krimster2]

The World According to Bo


"A majority of women world over are more interested in men with money than men without."
"But men with money typically recognize this."
"It is only on boards like this that men delude themselves into believing it is not the potential of a life abroad, in a country where life is easier, that makes them attractive."

No, I think we get this
but there's so much more to it than that
we WM have the "western mystique" and that's a pretty popular 'meme' in Ukraine
being different from Russian men is better than being the same as Russian men
different is perceived as "better" by Ukrainian women
we're just SO MUCH more marketable over there than over here, that's why we're over there!!
especially since the 'product' you get in Ukraine, is "to die for", totally primo!!!!

[Boethius]

It's not the world according to me.  It's the way the world works.

I mean, Summer Redstone's girlfriends over the years were all with him because of his "inherently superior innate qualities", right?

If it makes you feel better to lie to yourself, go ahead. 

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[krimster2]

"I mean, Summer Redstone's girlfriends over the years were all with him because of his "inherently superior innate qualities", right?"

evidentially, the answer is yes
the name Anna Niocole Smith comes to mind as well
a generation or two from now middle-aged Chinese Billionaires will be trolling dilapidated mid western redneck trailer parks
looking for blondes with big boobs, god they're gonna have a lot of fun

[krimster2]

“If it makes you feel better to lie to yourself, go ahead.  “

what if it did, would it be so wrong?
actually, what made me ‘feel better’ after the sexual frustration I felt in silicon valley
was seeing a 19 yr old Ukrainian girl with an absolutely perfect body
before I die, I wanna be able to say I lived
for you that may be a stimulating conversation about art or literature
for me, the raw intensity of the experience of encountering the highest level of female erotic beauty in all its glory laying invitingly on my bed with a soft warm look in her eyes
is worth whatever judgment you or anyone else makes about it
the ends justify the means baby!
how deep is my love of feminine beauty?
infinite...
how deep is your love Bo, I really want to know... 

I mean if you want to label me hypersexual or something, sure
but exploiter., oppressor, that's soviet thinking maya droozochik
sounds like you drank some of cool-aid while you were living in the robotniki paradise!!!
just remember BO, every ying also has a yang
all opposites form a single whole
when you can snatch the pebble from my hand
then you may leave this place

[rwd123]

This is an early contender for dumbest thread of the year.

If J.K. Rowling writes a book Fantastic Slavic Wives and Where to Find Them the likes of James and TC will still think it is a how-to guide even though it is a fantasy novel. There is no saving them from their ignorance.

To Boe's point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Czech Republic - 20,300 USD
Estonia - 19,700 USD
Latvia- 15,500 USD
Lithuania - 16,500 USD
Hungary - 14,200 USD
Ukraine - 2,600 USD

Russia - 10,800 USD
Belarus - 5,700 USD

The commonality of the WM-UW dyad exists because men want honey and women want money. Well, duh! It takes two to tango. Both fantasize for a better life.

BUT - one does not simply walk into Mordor Eastern Europe and find a good woman for marriage. Guys, for your own benefit, drop the delusion that FSUW are better for marriage. It cuts both ways. Some are better, some are much worse. The odds of finding one with your demented views and baggage are low.

[BdHvA]

RWD are you implying that TC, James lost in the UK and BeeFarmer are real and serious on there pursuit?

I assumed there presence was to amuse us and annoy Moby.

[Trenchcoat]

This is an early contender for dumbest thread of the year.

If J.K. Rowling writes a book Fantastic Slavic Wives and Where to Find Them the likes of James and TC will still think it is a how-to guide even though it is a fantasy novel. There is no saving them from their ignorance.

To Boe's point:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_GDP_(nominal)_per_capita

Czech Republic - 20,300 USD
Estonia - 19,700 USD
Latvia- 15,500 USD
Lithuania - 16,500 USD
Hungary - 14,200 USD
Ukraine - 2,600 USD

Russia - 10,800 USD
Belarus - 5,700 USD

The commonality of the WM-UW dyad exists because men want honey and women want money. Well, duh! It takes two to tango. Both fantasize for a better life.

BUT - one does not simply walk into Mordor Eastern Europe and find a good woman for marriage. Guys, for your own benefit, drop the delusion that FSUW are better for marriage. It cuts both ways. Some are better, some are much worse. The odds of finding one with your demented views and baggage are low.

RWD you have correctly identified the economic differences but are ignoring the cultural ones. You don't fly several thousand miles and find society exactly the same. When I studied American politics & society my lecturer went to great pains to stress that you can't/shouldn't make direct correlation between what happens in UK society and what happens in US society since the two are generally completely different. Even between state to state in the US there is often little comparison never mind between the US and the UK.

Sure the economic strength of foreigners adds to the allure for FSW but there are cultural differences to. I gave the link to the speed dating article above, now do you really think FSW would behave like those women did even local guys out in the FSU? I don't think FSW merely get in feminine mode for when a WM rocks up, they probably amplify it, but I don't think you can turn that on over night. In general they are brought up more feminine than western women, they are competing with other FSW and know it's in their best interests to try to win that competition. In the FSU it's a male dominated society in thd UK we are assailed by articles on the BBC of 'making sure women get equal pay as men', 'zero tolerance to sexual harassment' and 'recognising what sexual consent is' etc, etc. Do you think they have that BS in the FSU? Hell no, they would think it the peculiar uptight rubbish it is.

Men also die of alcoholism in general at a younger age than in the west so by their late twenties & early thirties there are more females than males. Not only that but what girl is going to want to get with a guy in he's late teens/early twenties who is already on the slide, she would be left holding his baby a few years down the track when he has it. I could go on about how differently girls are brought up out there etc, etc. I personally don't know all the ins and outs precisely as I'm not a local but it's obvious that the UK/US are a hell of a lot different society than FSU society.

[msmob]

Trench

There are MORE men than ladies in Russia until c.50 - according to 2014 data ...

PL-Ease ... stop posting bollox 'conclusions' based on made up data ...