More Bad News for Russia

[AkMike]

China has a vested interest in UA for grains and other commodities that have been in place before this invasion. They're covering their investments. 

 I doubt that they've got much cash invested in Russia.

[Steamer]

Great news! Finally, a country willing to assist with real aid.

Putin will be displeased.

Well that will just give Putin the green light to do likewise (openly) in east Ukraine. He'll match whatever the west does and life will get even worse for Ukraine.

[Brasscasing]

China has a vested interest in UA for grains and other commodities that have been in place before this invasion. They're covering their investments. 

 I doubt that they've got much cash invested in Russia.

Never mind the grain. China has their eye on the real prize.  ...

Ukrainian Brides May Solve China’s Gender Gap, Chinese Media Claims

..."The 34 million extra men pose serious social risks, but some just see a matchmaking bonanza."...

http://foreignpolicy.com/2015/01/28/ukrainian-brides-may-solve-chinas-gender-gap-chinese-media-claims/

Brass

[Brasscasing]

Well that will just give Putin the green light to do likewise (openly) in east Ukraine. He'll match whatever the west does and life will get even worse for Ukraine.

Putin's pouring men and equipment into Ukraine anyways, green light or not.

Besides, I don't buy into appeasement at any cost and neither does Ukraine. Ask the Ukrainian population whether or not they'd prefer to defend themselves or be crushed under the marching jackboots of the Russian military machine.

Bet you won't like the answer.

Brass

[Steamer]

Putin's pouring men and equipment into Ukraine anyways, green light or not.

Besides, I don't buy into appeasement at any cost and neither does Ukraine. Ask the Ukrainian population whether or not they'd prefer to defend themselves or be crushed under the marching jackboots of the Russian military machine.

It's an escalation.

Bet you won't like the answer.

Brass

It's no skin off my nose.

[Brasscasing]

It's an escalation.

Russia escalated when it invaded. The west/NATO/US should have evened the field last year. Help for Ukraine has been far too long in coming.

It's no skin off my nose.

Good, then you won't mind if 45 million plus Ukrainians can finally start defending themselves.

[AkMike]

It's an escalation.

Much less of an escalation that the huilomeister sending more columns of fresh tanks, APC's and troops into Ukraine.

[fathertime]

It's an escalation.

I'd also say it is a slight escalation on the West's part...probably right on the border of enough of an escalation to prompt another Russian escalation....which then may 'require' another Western escalation....which may 'require' another Russian escalation.   Stakes gonna get high....I'm curious if/when Russia decides to go headlong into this thing and start taking what they want right away. 


Fathertime!   

[The Natural]

I'd also say it is a slight escalation on the West's part...probably right on the border of enough of an escalation to prompt another Russian escalation....which then may 'require' another Western escalation....which may 'require' another Russian escalation.   Stakes gonna get high....I'm curious if/when Russia decides to go headlong into this thing and start taking what they want right away. 


Fathertime!

Finally an american voice of reality and sanity!

Yes, Kremlin just keeps swallowing insult after insult. Putin should really get the Nobel peace price for being so persistent in search of Peace. Alas, Washington wants war and it's now up to Germany and France if they want to obey the orders from the neocons in Washington and damage their own economies as well as risk WW3, or if they want to come to a real agreement With Moscow and thus make a final break With US hegemony over the world. It's an easy Choice for a normal person, but a difficult one for a Group of psycopaths.......

[Boethius]

No, he is a conspiracy theorist with a lack of understanding of the history of the region.

[calmissile]

Finally an american voice of reality and sanity!

Yes, Kremlin just keeps swallowing insult after insult. Putin should really get the Nobel peace price for being so persistent in search of Peace. Alas, Washington wants war and it's now up to Germany and France if they want to obey the orders from the neocons in Washington and damage their own economies as well as risk WW3, or if they want to come to a real agreement With Moscow and thus make a final break With US hegemony over the world. It's an easy Choice for a normal person, but a difficult one for a Group of psycopaths.......

Your beginning to sound like a basket case!  Step back and see the big picture...
1.  Ukraine is a sovereign state with borders recognized by the international community for many years.   FACT #1
2.  Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.  There would have been no invasion and annexation if Russia had minded it's own business.  FACT #2
3.  Russia sent troops and military weaponry into Eastern Ukraine to fight the legal and legitimate government of Ukraine.  FACT #3

Do you have any sense of right and wrong?

[fathertime]

No, he is a conspiracy theorist with a lack of understanding of the history of the region.

You are mislabeling in an effort to discredit.  If anything you have shown yourself to be VERY biased, and perhaps even hate-filled. 


Many people (including Western leaders) are concerned about escalating for the very reason that it will prompt a further escalation from Russia.  If i'm a 'conspiracy theorist' for thinking along those lines, then so be it...but don't forget to also label many of the Western representatives as well. 


Fathertime!   

[The Natural]

No, he is a conspiracy theorist with a lack of understanding of the history of the region.

On the contrary. He's a brilliant mind With Perfect understanding of the history of Ukraine, as well as the rest of the universe and everything in between. Just like you Boethius.

Your beginning to sound like a basket case!  Step back and see the big picture...

Do you have any sense of right and wrong?

Basket case, me? That's coming from a + 70 year old  in leather pants chasing young Girls? How on Earth do you think Im gonna take Your  serious?
And on top of that question
 my sense of right and wrong? Wherever do they dig up like that? Well, as he's a rather old idiot, I Guess it's easier......

[fathertime]

Your beginning to sound like a basket case!  Step back and see the big picture...
1.  Ukraine is a sovereign state with borders recognized by the international community for many years.   FACT #1
2.  Russia invaded and annexed Crimea.  There would have been no invasion and annexation if Russia had minded it's own business.  FACT #2
3.  Russia sent troops and military weaponry into Eastern Ukraine to fight the legal and legitimate government of Ukraine.  FACT #3

Do you have any sense of right and wrong?

I don't think you are seeing the big picture yourself.  If you think Russia participation in Ukraine is the BIG picture you are mistaken...this is only a small part of the larger picture....at least that is how Russia likely views it. 


It is interesting how our sins (The USA) and other western nation's sins are forgiven/minimized and chuckled over...while a Russian sin is potentially blown up into a wider war.   If we are able to force regime change in various countries, then other powerful nations are bound to do the same. 
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Fathertime! 

[calmissile]

On the contrary. He's a brilliant mind With Perfect understanding of the history of Ukraine, as well as the rest of the universe and everything in between. Just like you Boethius.

Basket case, me? That's coming from a + 70 year old in leather pants chasing young Girls? How on Earth do you think Im gonna take You for serious?
And on top of that question
 my sense of right and wrong? Wherever do they dig up like that? Well, as he's a rather old idiot, I Guess it's easier......

Well, we see your drunk on your ass again.
Sorry, I don't wear leather pants and I don't chase young Girls!  My wife is over 40.
I'll pass off your insults as it shows your character more than mine.

BTW, are you still fighting against vaccinating your children and holding them at risk to disease?

BTW, you never explained your perception of right and wrong concerning the Russian invasion and occupation, instead you deflected the issue as usual.

[Larry1]

Putin should really get the Nobel peace price for being so persistent in search of Peace.

 Putin launched this invasion of a sovereign country and he is persistent in search of peace?

[fathertime]

I'll pass off your insults as it shows your character more than mine.

BTW, are you still fighting against vaccinating your children and holding them at risk to disease?
 

You say you will 'pass off' insults...and the very next sentence you try to bait him.   Notice how that is a little hypocritical? 


Fathertime!   

[Steamer]

Good, then you won't mind if 45 million plus Ukrainians can finally start defending themselves.

Why would I mind? I'm actually neutral on this. I get no joy from people getting killed and injured in a war. I've been saying that Russia considers Ukraine to be its backyard and will fight over it. When you start bringing in foreign troops to fight for Ukraine then you're begging for a war and you'll get one.


The thing is Russia wants UA a LOT more than the EU or the US does which is why the EU and US are paying it a lot of lip service and agitating but not really doing anything. It gives the appearance of concern without the commitment.

[Boethius]

On the contrary. He's a brilliant mind With Perfect understanding of the history of Ukraine, as well as the rest of the universe and everything in between. Just like you Boethius.

I have never stated I have a brilliant mind, nor a perfect understanding of Ukraine's history, nor the universe.  But, as you hold me in such contempt, don't bother answering my posts.  I won't respond.

[Boethius]

You are mislabeling in an effort to discredit.  If anything you have shown yourself to be VERY biased, and perhaps even hate-filled. 


Many people (including Western leaders) are concerned about escalating for the very reason that it will prompt a further escalation from Russia.  If i'm a 'conspiracy theorist' for thinking along those lines, then so be it...but don't forget to also label many of the Western representatives as well. 


Fathertime!

Hate filled?  My children all have Russian surnames.  Yours do not. 

[fathertime]

Hate filled?  My children all have Russian surnames.  Yours do not.

Irrelevant. 

Why would I mind? I'm actually neutral on this. I get no joy from people getting killed and injured in a war. I've been saying that Russia considers Ukraine to be its backyard and will fight over it. When you start bringing in foreign troops to fight for Ukraine then you're begging for a war and you'll get one.

 

I agree with that 4-square!   

 

The thing is Russia wants UA a LOT more than the EU or the US does which is why the EU and US are paying it a lot of lip service and agitating but not really doing anything. It gives the appearance of concern without the commitment.

Hopefully you are right on that one...thus far it has been the case....not that there shouldn't be costs, just not the types of costs people here are begging for...this should be a relatively minor regional issue, and shouldn't be blown into a war with global consequences. 


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

No, it is not irrelevant to your baseless accusation.

[fathertime]

No, it is not irrelevant to your baseless accusation.

actually you don't know what my earlier statement was in reference to...


Fathertime!   

[Boethius]

Well, I can only go by what you post. 

[sleepycat]

Irrelevant. 

Just like all your constant reminders to us of "I just so happened to be browsing the internet this morning blah...blah...blah..."?