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Title: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 05:36:08 PM
Hello everyone,

Thanks for reading my post. I wanted to get some advice on here. About two months ago I was swiping on tinder while in Miami for women in Moscow. I was mainly doing this out of curiosity with the idea of possibly planning a trip in the future. While swiping, I found this one girl. We did not match but I sent her a message through instagram. She did not respond immediately but when she did she advised me that she only speaks Russian. I thought to myself, no issue, google translate. At first she was not very communicative and understandably so, a random dudes message on instagram from across the world is not the most attractive of scenarios to meet someone. However, over time, we began to get to know each other and speak more and more. First off, this girl is absolutely gorgeous. Model type as I am sure everyone on here is familiar with.

That being said, I am not a sucker. I know the risk associated with a beautiful women across the world.  I am not inexperienced with meeting foreign women. Frankly, the vast majority have been very angled or intentioned, which at times I have shamefully used to my advantage. Never did I allow myself to actually get caught in a hustle, usually, you can tell if you are completely honest with yourself. Obviously, this is just my opinion.

I write on this forum not because I have any suspicions that this woman is hustling me but more because of the stigma associated with falling for a woman online who lives in Russia. There is a lot of negative rhetoric regarding same.

After getting to know this woman, I realized that she is very normal, sweet and kind. For instance, a typical Friday night for her consists of dinner with her mother. She is in University to be a Doctor. We share many of the same views on life and what is important in the world. We have similar backgrounds, her father was absent in her life. My mother was absent in mine. We both are born from young parents so our relationship's with our single parent is more of a friendship. In some ways this has made us both seek loyalty in a relationship more than anything else. Needless to say, we really hit it off. She is 20 and I am 27. I am a lawyer who works as a legislative analyst in Miami.

After only 3 months of talking, I am going to visit Moscow in a month to met her and her mother. We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea. The biggest issue for us right now is the transferring of credits from her current university to a university in Florida. She does not want to stop school. Which I completely understand and want to support.

I guess, I am writing to those with experience on whether anyone has ever done something similar to this. Really any comments or thoughts are welcomed.

I do not consider myself to know everything so I always seek help and input.



Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 17, 2018, 06:17:57 PM
First off, this girl is absolutely gorgeous. Model type as I am sure everyone on here is familiar with.


Who here doesn't run around with a model?

Welcome to the forum gb1015. How often do you video chat or speak on the phone with your lady? As far as education here, most or all of her credits won't transfer. She's 20 so starting over is not a big deal at that age.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 06:23:58 PM
Who here doesn't run around with a model?

Welcome to the forum gb1015. How often do you video chat or speak on the phone with your lady? As far as education here, most or all of her credits won't transfer. She's 20 so starting over is not a big deal at that age.

Thanks for the response Billy. We video chat daily. Telephone conversations not so much because of the language barrier. We actually spoke to a counselor here at FIU who said at least half the courses would transfer.

Is that unusual?
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 17, 2018, 06:25:46 PM
Am not so sure general credits will not transfer.  The key here is 'general' credits. 

You are at an age in your life where you can take a chance on a relationship like this.

Know that you are looking for someone kind and wise.  Appearances will fade over the years.  But a loving wife is beyond value.

In any event, welcome to the forum.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 06:30:34 PM
Am not so sure general credits will not transfer.  The key here is 'general' credits. 

You are at an age in your life where you can take a chance on a relationship like this.

Know that you are looking for someone kind and wise.  Appearances will fade over the years.  But a loving wife is beyond value.

In any event, welcome to the forum.

Thanks so much for the response. And yes, I definitely understand what you are saying. To be honest, although she is stunning in my eyes, I didn't fall for that. I live in Miami, there are gorgeous women all over. I fell for all the other stuff.

It's unusual to say the least. But it's happening. haha
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: SANDRO43 on July 17, 2018, 06:33:11 PM
I write on this forum not because I have any suspicions that this women...After getting to know this women

I do not consider myself to know everything so I always seek help and input.
Alright, here's one: women is the plural form of woman ;D.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 17, 2018, 06:34:53 PM
The one thing you will find out, if you haven't already experienced it, is that FSU women love without artifice.  My friend, Larry, used to call this Love Heroin.  Once you've experienced it, you will never settle for anything less.  However, I will say from personal experience, that overall FSU women are harsh in their criticisms and make judgement on almost everything.  It will take a learning curve to get by this aspect of their personalities.   

Spend some time with her mother.  If they are as close as you say they are, you will learn alot about the woman she will become as she ages. 

Sounds like you are a lucky man.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 06:39:01 PM
Alright, here's one: women is the plural form of woman ;D.

HAHAHA. Thanks!
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 06:42:31 PM
The one thing you will find out, if you haven't already experienced it, is that FSU women love without artifice.  My friend, Larry, used to call this Love Heroin.  Once you've experienced it, you will never settle for anything less.  However, I will say from personal experience, that overall FSU women are harsh in their criticisms and make judgement on almost everything.  It will take a learning curve to get by this aspect of their personalities.   

Spend some time with her mother.  If they are as close as you say they are, you will learn alot about the woman she will become as she ages. 

Sounds like you are a lucky man.

It's funny you say that. I actually dated a Russian woman about two years ago who was also gorgeous. She had recently arrived to Miami on a modeling contract. She wanted to move things along too quickly and I called it off with her after about 3 months. But she was definitely had the warmth you mention.  At that time I was still in law school and could not support a wife. Also, dating an actual model is not as fun as it would seem. lol. She is now married and we still keep in touch.

But you're right. The bug bit me.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 17, 2018, 06:48:56 PM
We actually spoke to a counselor here at FIU who said at least half the courses would transfer.

Is that unusual?

That's a good deal if she gets credit for half the higher education she's done. I guess math is math whether it's done in English or Russian. If she were doing advanced courses in the medical field since she wants to be a doctor, they may not transfer since how medical procedures are performed may not be the same.

We video chat daily. Telephone conversations not so much because of the language barrier.


It's a very good sign when a woman makes time for you everyday.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 06:53:53 PM
That's a good deal if she gets credit for half the higher education she's done. I guess math is math whether it's done in English or Russian. If she were doing advanced courses in the medical field since she wants to be a doctor, they may not transfer since how medical procedures are performed may not be the same.

It's a very good sign when a woman makes time for you everyday.

Yeah, we will explore the school issue a little more. The big issue there is her mom. Obviously, she does not want her daughter starting over again.

And yeah, we communicate very frequently. I mean I would say the most time we go without at least a message during the non-sleep hours is about 3 hours tops.

At first, this was not the case. I pushed for a skype call and I think that made her more comfortable just to see me. Then we slowly began to speak about what each of us wanted in our partners and I think things just meshed well.

Also, she has had serious discussions with her mother about our relationship and I've noticed she asks more serious questions about our plans and my intentions. Her mother expressed to her that she thought I would not take on the responsibility and this kinda pissed her off. Point is, she has probably referenced 4 or 5 conversations with her mother about us. And shes been honest, when its good feedback she says it and when its not she says that as well. I took this as a good sign.  And to be honest, I care what her mother thinks so I don't mind working through those issues.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Steamer on July 17, 2018, 07:08:47 PM
After only 3 months of talking, I am going to visit Moscow in a month to met her and her mother. We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea.


Try to control your enthusiasm if you 2 haven't met yet. Slow down on the "marry" talk. This can still blow up in your face. Always give yourself an escape route if needed.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 07:21:33 PM

Try to control your enthusiasm if you 2 haven't met yet. Slow down on the "marry" talk. This can still blow up in your face. Always give yourself an escape route if needed.

Thanks for the input. Yeah, I typically would never marry a women so quickly at all. The only reason I would in this scenario is because we cannot live together without one. And yeah, absolutely, nothing can or is going to happen in terms of a visa until we meet. And if I get any weird vibes i'm backing off.

Also, in the event I do get married to her. We will both have lawyers and we will both negotiate a prenup. Otherwise, everything is out of the question.

Im curious though. In terms of escape route, what do you mean?
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 17, 2018, 08:21:05 PM
What he is saying is that the marriage talk is premature.  While it is fun to talk about, until you are physically present, and hold each other and live together for awhile.  Or at least in the same house, all this can possibly be is infatuation.  It is not love until you are together.  Sorry.  But that's the way it is.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: ML on July 17, 2018, 08:21:24 PM
You will be paying for this gal's complete university program from beginning to MD status.
That's a ton of money . . . then she will leave you when her residency and internship is finished, and trade up to a brain surgeon pulling down a million per year.

Better to find a gal who would be happy with nursing degree or accounting degree.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 08:39:37 PM
You will be paying for this gal's complete university program from beginning to MD status.
That's a ton of money . . . then she will leave you when her residency and internship is finished, and trade up to a brain surgeon pulling down a million per year.

Better to find a gal who would be happy with nursing degree or accounting degree.

Thanks for your feedback
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 08:40:16 PM
What he is saying is that the marriage talk is premature.  While it is fun to talk about, until you are physically present, and hold each other and live together for awhile.  Or at least in the same house, all this can possibly be is infatuation.  It is not love until you are together.  Sorry.  But that's the way it is.

agreed. 1000%

except. I probably miss-spoke. I am not in love. I like what I see is all. Just am cognizant of the fact that if I meet her and want it to be serious I will have to marry. That's just how it is.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 17, 2018, 08:41:23 PM
Also, she has had serious discussions with her mother about our relationship and I've noticed she asks more serious questions about our plans and my intentions. Her mother expressed to her that she thought I would not take on the responsibility and this kinda pissed her off. Point is, she has probably referenced 4 or 5 conversations with her mother about us. And shes been honest, when its good feedback she says it and when its not she says that as well. I took this as a good sign.  And to be honest, I care what her mother thinks so I don't mind working through those issues.


She's falling in love and her mother doesn't want her to get hurt and assumes things between you two are going to crash and burn. Normal parental feelings.

The big issue there is her mom. Obviously, she does not want her daughter starting over again.


Daughter is 20. Starting over at that age is no big deal. Me thinks the mother doesn't want her daughter to leave. If you marry the daughter, you might be marrying the mother too. Daughter is going to want to sponsor mother someday.

Also, in the event I do get married to her. We will both have lawyers and we will both negotiate a prenup. Otherwise, everything is out of the question.


You're an attorney right? Get yourself a good family law attorney that understand prenups well. You might as well use your prenup as toilet paper since that is what it'll be worth. English is not your girls primary language. You will have to hire a translator and two attorneys, one for you and one for her. Also having her sign a prenup while she has 90 days to get married can be considered by a judge as if she's signing under duress. Also if your prenup strays too far off the guidelines of your state in the event of a divorce, it can be thrown out. For example, in a 20 year marriage both parties usually split things roughly 50/50. If you give her 5% in a 20 year marriage, a judge may not approve.

Most people think a prenup is to protect them from a spouse who's vindictive and a gold digger in the event of a divorce. I feel a prenup should be used to protect people from a judge who can be bias and give one party 70% in a 20 year marriage for example. Follow the state guidelines when writing your prenup. It's fair for you and fair for her. Judges have a lot of discretion when ruling in family court but it's hard for them to throw out an agreement that is following state guidelines.

If you divorce early, you may be paying a higher amount of alimony since your girl will not be very employable. It's rarely enforced but when you get married to this girl, you are supposed to support her for 10 years when you sign that affidavit of support so she doesn't go on social programs where WE have to take care of her. If she goes crazy on you, come back here for some good advice on how to protect yourself from a DV charge.

Stay positive and don't let what I said affect how you feel for the girl. If she's a wonderful girl, go into this believing it'll last a lifetime. Unless you're making tons of money and have a lot of assets, I don't see why you need a prenup being as young as you are.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 08:47:23 PM
Her mother she's her falling in love and her mother doesn't want her to get hurt and assumes things between you two are going to crash and burn. Normal parental feelings.

Daughter is 20. Starting over at that age is no big deal. Me thinks the mother doesn't want her daughter to leave. If you marry the daughter, you might be marrying the mother too. Daughter is going to want to sponsor mother someday.

You're an attorney right? Get yourself a good family law attorney that understand prenups well. You might as well use your prenup as toilet paper since that is what it'll be worth. English is not your girls primary language. You will have to hire a translator and two attorneys, one for you and one for her. Also having her sign a prenup while she has 90 days to get married can be considered by a judge as if she's signing under duress. Also if your prenup strays too far off the guidelines of your state in the event of a divorce, it can be thrown out. For example, in a 20 year marriage both parties usually split things roughly 50/50. If you give her 5% in a 20 year marriage, a judge may not approve.

Most people think a prenup is to protect them from a spouse who's vindictive and a gold digger in the event of a divorce. I feel a prenup should be used to protect people from a judge who can be bias and give one party 70% in a 20 year marriage for example. Follow the state guidelines when writing your prenup. It's fair for you and fair for her. Judges have a lot of discretion when ruling in family court but it's hard for them to throw out an agreement that is following state guidelines.

If you divorce early, you may be paying a higher amount of alimony since your girl will not be very employable. It's rarely enforced but when you get married to this girl, you are supposed to support her for 10 years when you sign that affidavit of support so she doesn't go on social programs where WE have to take care of her. If she goes crazy on you, come back here for some good advice on how to protect yourself from a DV charge.

Stay positive and don't let what I said affect how you feel for the girl. If she's a wonderful girl, go into this believing it'll last a lifetime. Unless you're making tons of money and have a lot of assets, I don't see why you need a prenup being as young as you are.

I need one because, I have business on the side where I make money. As far as prenup fully aware worked in family law for years prior to becoming a lawyer and practiced in it for sometime. I actually have personal experience in Russian-american prenups that have been upheld by a court. Key is being thorough and as fair as possible.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 17, 2018, 08:48:04 PM
I need one because, I have business on the side where I make money. As far as prenup fully aware worked in family law for years prior to becoming a lawyer and practiced in it for sometime. I actually have personal experience in Russian-american prenups that have been upheld by a court. Key is being thorough and as fair as possible.

As for mom, I had the exact same thoughts. totally on point.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 17, 2018, 09:11:43 PM
You found a girl on Tinder.  (Where all the high quality women for marriage are, right?)

You had to pester and bug her to get her to talk with you.

You have never met each other.

You can't communicate in a common language.

How will she cope in a culture where she doesn't speak English?

How will she do taking college courses when she doesn't know English?

How will you two communicate?  Google Translate everything?

Have you looked into ESL classes for the girl?

You, and possibly both of you, are falling in love with how you imagine the other to be.

You're already discussing marriage with your fantasy partner, whom you have never met.

How does she feel about a pre-nup?  Many FSU women will not be comfortable with a pre-nup.

You did meet through Tinder, and old habits die hard.

Odds are, she's young and has the attitude that if a rich American lawyer wants to throw his money at her, she will see where things go, even though she may have no real interest in him.

If mama ain't happy, ain't no one happy.  FSU mother-in-laws have a bit of a reputation.  Who do you think has more influence on the girl, you or her mama?

How do you plan on helping her acclimate?

Do you want kids immediately?

Are you prepared and responsible enough to handle kids?  Do you have the time and energy to deal with a kid 24/7?

Because the moment she arrives, she will be like a helpless kid, and you will have to help her do everything.  Everything.

What do you offer her?  (other than the Tinder hookup you wanted.)

What does she offer you?  (other than the Tinder hookup you wanted.)

What could possibly go wrong?  Seriously...

(You're in fantasyland.  Go meet the girl before you even think about marriage or a K1 visa.  Some FSU women have the attitude that if a guy wants to be an idiot, it's ok to take advantage of him for his money.
You sound really immature, and not ready for being married, much less being married to a FSUW who is young, immature, and can't speak English.)
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 17, 2018, 09:28:08 PM
You found a girl on Tinder.  (Where all the high quality women for marriage are, right?)

You had to pester and bug her to get her to talk with you.

You have never met each other.

You can't communicate in a common language.

How will she cope in a culture where she doesn't speak English?

How will she do taking college courses when she doesn't know English?

How will you two communicate?  Google Translate everything?

Have you looked into ESL classes for the girl?

You, and possibly both of you, are falling in love with how you imagine the other to be.

You're already discussing marriage with your fantasy partner, whom you have never met.

How does she feel about a pre-nup?  Many FSU women will not be comfortable with a pre-nup.

You did meet through Tinder, and old habits die hard.

Odds are, she's young and has the attitude that if a rich American lawyer wants to throw his money at her, she will see where things go, even though she may have no real interest in him.

If mama ain't happy, ain't no one happy.  FSU mother-in-laws have a bit of a reputation.  Who do you think has more influence on the girl, you or her mama?

How do you plan on helping her acclimate?

Do you want kids immediately?

Are you prepared and responsible enough to handle kids?  Do you have the time and energy to deal with a kid 24/7?

Because the moment she arrives, she will be like a helpless kid, and you will have to help her do everything.  Everything.

What do you offer her?  (other than the Tinder hookup you wanted.)

What does she offer you?  (other than the Tinder hookup you wanted.)

What could possibly go wrong?  Seriously...

(You're in fantasyland.  Go meet the girl before you even think about marriage or a K1 visa.  Some FSU women have the attitude that if a guy wants to be an idiot, it's ok to take advantage of him for his money.
You sound really immature, and not ready for being married, much less being married to a FSUW who is young, immature, and can't speak English.)

Beef Harmer is the resident romantic in our bunch.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: southernX on July 17, 2018, 11:27:18 PM
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Beef Harmer is the resident romantic in our bunch.
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SX
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 18, 2018, 03:42:56 AM
You found a girl on Tinder.  (Where all the high quality women for marriage are, right?)

You had to pester and bug her to get her to talk with you.

You have never met each other.

You can't communicate in a common language.

How will she cope in a culture where she doesn't speak English?

How will she do taking college courses when she doesn't know English?

How will you two communicate?  Google Translate everything?

Have you looked into ESL classes for the girl?

You, and possibly both of you, are falling in love with how you imagine the other to be.

You're already discussing marriage with your fantasy partner, whom you have never met.

How does she feel about a pre-nup?  Many FSU women will not be comfortable with a pre-nup.

You did meet through Tinder, and old habits die hard.

Odds are, she's young and has the attitude that if a rich American lawyer wants to throw his money at her, she will see where things go, even though she may have no real interest in him.

If mama ain't happy, ain't no one happy.  FSU mother-in-laws have a bit of a reputation.  Who do you think has more influence on the girl, you or her mama?

How do you plan on helping her acclimate?

Do you want kids immediately?

Are you prepared and responsible enough to handle kids?  Do you have the time and energy to deal with a kid 24/7?

Because the moment she arrives, she will be like a helpless kid, and you will have to help her do everything.  Everything.

What do you offer her?  (other than the Tinder hookup you wanted.)

What does she offer you?  (other than the Tinder hookup you wanted.)

What could possibly go wrong?  Seriously...

(You're in fantasyland.  Go meet the girl before you even think about marriage or a K1 visa.  Some FSU women have the attitude that if a guy wants to be an idiot, it's ok to take advantage of him for his money.
You sound really immature, and not ready for being married, much less being married to a FSUW who is young, immature, and can't speak English.)

Thank's for your input. All of what you said, I have considered. Except, as easily as you attribute negative undertones to each question. They could all be answered in a positive way. And although you sarcastically ask "what could possibly go wrong?" you also did not address what could possibly go right?

Thats the problem with people these days and why many people live mediocre lives. Nothing is guaranteed. In fact, if I decided to meet someone, get to know them for years and then marry them here in the USA. Maybe even a couple blocks from where I live. I have a 40-50% chance of being wrong. The illusion that because you know someone for a longer period of time reduces your risk of divorce is just plain false. As a matter of fact, historically, this is a new practice.

It's important not to jump to conclusions on everything for the purpose of avoiding failure. The good thing about your input is it raises the obvious questions that any logical person would ask. But NONE of us have the answer to those questions. With exception of a select few. Could the girl be playing me? Absolutely. Beautiful part about that is, I am not married! And at a minimum, I will get my tinder lay in a month.

Fact is, the same way you jumped to a ton of conclusions about a situation you really have no significant knowledge about is parallel to what you are saying I am doing by having interest in a women in another country without meeting her.

You have to be careful about being the same person you criticize. And I may be young but in my opinion, one of the biggest forms of immaturity is negativity and a lack of introspection. And unfortunately, we found a lot of that in your post. This comes from a good place. I don't think everyone should live a life through such a negative lens. It's unhealthy and actually breads the failure you are trying to avoid.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: rwd123 on July 18, 2018, 04:30:08 AM
"...I will get my tinder lay in a month" - man you are not ready for marriage if you think and talk like that. You sound like a pimply, horny frat boy.

If posters here think your shit stinks and say so, don't call it being negative. It's called experience which you obviously lack in spades. After all, it was you who was asking for advice. Your ego is shielding you from what you don't want to hear, classic case of confirmation bias.

You are either thinking with your dick or in some fantasy land. Wanting to marry someone you haven't even met? Is that right? To a 20 year-old who doesn't even speak the same language? Off the back of some instagram photos? And a Muscovite model? Do you know what those girls are usually like? (I do) Have you ever dated a model? (I have) Have you ever dated Russian women? (I have) Have you even been to Moscow? (I have; will return in a few weeks)

Listen and learn grasshopper.

You are both bedazzled; you by a Russian beauty, she by Miami and a "Miami Vice lifestyle".

All the best, but this has the hallmarks of crash and burn. Not because she's a gold digger (and the odds are she could be), but because you're both really immature and at risk of being out of your depth in such a relationship.

And if you've got prenups on your mind, you're thinking like a lawyer and not a husband. Don't mistake an idiot for a fool. Your ego may not spot the difference.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 18, 2018, 05:06:46 AM
"...I will get my tinder lay in a month" - man you are not ready for marriage if you think and talk like that. You sound like a pimply, horny frat boy.

If posters here think your shit stinks and say so, don't call it being negative. It's called experience which you obviously lack in spades. After all, it was you who was asking for advice. Your ego is shielding you from what you don't want to hear, classic case of confirmation bias.

You are either thinking with your dick or in some fantasy land. Wanting to marry someone you haven't even met? Is that right? To a 20 year-old who doesn't even speak the same language? Off the back of some instagram photos? And a Muscovite model? Do you know what those girls are usually like? (I do) Have you ever dated a model? (I have) Have you ever dated Russian women? (I have) Have you even been to Moscow? (I have; will return in a few weeks)

Listen and learn grasshopper.

You are both bedazzled; you by a Russian beauty, she by Miami and a "Miami Vice lifestyle".



All the best, but this has the hallmarks of crash and burn. Not because she's a gold digger (and the odds are she could be), but because you're both really immature and at risk of being out of your depth in such a relationship.

And if you've got prenups on your mind, you're thinking like a lawyer and not a husband. Don't mistake an idiot for a fool. Your ego may not spot the






This ones all over the place. Im a frat boy acting like a lawyer. My ego is shielding me. My brother. I never once said I have the answers. Fact is. No one situation is the same. That’s what you guys fail to consider. I like people like you.

And dude. Calling someone a frat boy while boating about your Russian model catalogue and calling out ego is comical. But expected from An internet expert. Boast non-verifiable experience that no one inquired about to substantiate a point they have no evidence to support.

I hope youre sitting in your penthouse with a top 10 model and a lambo sitting in the parking garage to be offering the perspective you are giving. Because fact is, if you’re not, or if not at least faithfully married to a loyal women. Because if you are not, you really don’t have the patent on a special formula. You just have a very negative opinion. And it shows by the fact that youre old apparently unmarried.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 18, 2018, 07:33:06 AM
And at a minimum, I will get my tinder lay in a month.


Since you're considering the woman for a wife, make sure the big head does some thinking too. While you are there, you need to observe if she's wife material. No matter how beautiful she is, if she's not wife material, don't marry her. There's no guarantee a prenup will save you.  If she's smart, she will be evaluating you to see if you're husband material.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: LAman on July 18, 2018, 07:39:21 AM
Hello everyone,

Thanks for reading my post. I wanted to get some advice on here. About two months ago I was swiping on tinder while in Miami for women in Moscow. I was mainly doing this out of curiosity with the idea of possibly planning a trip in the future. While swiping, I found this one girl. We did not match but I sent her a message through instagram. She did not respond immediately but when she did she advised me that she only speaks Russian. I thought to myself, no issue, google translate. At first she was not very communicative and understandably so, a random dudes message on instagram from across the world is not the most attractive of scenarios to meet someone. However, over time, we began to get to know each other and speak more and more. First off, this girl is absolutely gorgeous. Model type as I am sure everyone on here is familiar with.

That being said, I am not a sucker. I know the risk associated with a beautiful women across the world.  I am not inexperienced with meeting foreign women. Frankly, the vast majority have been very angled or intentioned, which at times I have shamefully used to my advantage. Never did I allow myself to actually get caught in a hustle, usually, you can tell if you are completely honest with yourself. Obviously, this is just my opinion.

I write on this forum not because I have any suspicions that this woman is hustling me but more because of the stigma associated with falling for a woman online who lives in Russia. There is a lot of negative rhetoric regarding same.

After getting to know this woman, I realized that she is very normal, sweet and kind. For instance, a typical Friday night for her consists of dinner with her mother. She is in University to be a Doctor. We share many of the same views on life and what is important in the world. We have similar backgrounds, her father was absent in her life. My mother was absent in mine. We both are born from young parents so our relationship's with our single parent is more of a friendship. In some ways this has made us both seek loyalty in a relationship more than anything else. Needless to say, we really hit it off. She is 20 and I am 27. I am a lawyer who works as a legislative analyst in Miami.

After only 3 months of talking, I am going to visit Moscow in a month to met her and her mother. We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea. The biggest issue for us right now is the transferring of credits from her current university to a university in Florida. She does not want to stop school. Which I completely understand and want to support.

I guess, I am writing to those with experience on whether anyone has ever done something similar to this. Really any comments or thoughts are welcomed.

I do not consider myself to know everything so I always seek help and input.

Of course you are crazy. You mind is not fully functioning properly, that what (this) girl can do to you. Why would someone speak about marriage without ever meeting in person? Not to mention you both don't speak same language, i am sure your deep conversations about life, experiences, expectations are clear on translation apps.

Out of curiosity, what did you mean ' we were not a match'?

Your situation sounds much like an exciting new adventure, thats what makes it exciting. Just remember, this girl is 20, she will change much in next few years. Good idea to meet and spend some time together. If you need some ideas on what to do in Moscow just ask. It's an exciting city.


I wish you good luck but don't rush into anything........ and don't take a ring with you!!!
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: rwd123 on July 18, 2018, 08:08:50 AM
Like I said, you don't know the difference between an idiot and a fool.

You may read but you won't learn, because you are blinkered to what you want to hear. This is not about me. If you don't think I have credibility then ignore my posts. But why would I care to bullshit on this forum (or its predecessor RWG)? I've got plenty of experience from my times in the FSU over the last 15 years - have you been even once? I have lived there. I'll be back there in a fortnight too.

Ever dealt with registration issues, crooked cops, street scammers, jealous ex-boyfriends, pickpockets, riding in crowded marshrutkas, negotiating taxi fares in Russian (and getting ripped off), being hounded by taxi drivers at airports, having chai or pelmeni with the parents, navigating icy sidewalks, dealing with drunks and gopniks? Guess what - I have.

And that's not even getting to the mine field of dating. Ever dated a girl who doesn't speak English, and have her friend tag along as interpreter? Do you know how frustrating that can be? It can be utterly excruciating. And how much Russian do you speak? Know how to spot a gold digger looking for a sponsor or padarki? They will lead you by the pecker and bleed you of dengi. And models don't necessarily make the best dates or best wives, they can have massive psychological insecurities and be awfully spoilt (particularly in Moscow). There's a reason Russian rockets are called Katyushas. Small tip - don't date an alcoholic. Yes, there are female ones too.

Ever been in a communal banya? Or to a dacha, or know what an ogorod is? Been to a village in the middle of nowhere? (Krimster will show you a few, haha) Travelled plaatskart before? Know the difference between olivier and vinegrette salads? (or mors and compot, haha) Did you send flowers to your girl AND her mother on the eighth of March? Know the difference between Ded Moroz and Baba Yaga? Been invited to hunt wolves? Know the difference between Yuri Nikulin and Yuri Gagarin? (she may not but her mother will) Know who Max Otto von Stirlitz is? (the guy who inspired Putin to join the KGB) How much have you learned about Russian culture? If you're lucky you might get introduced to popugai kesha or bremenskiye muzikanti... but that's unlikely for a few years (if at all). Nailed the alphabet yet? She won't be into Shah or Korrozia Metalla, but at a stretch may like some Aria.

I have no reason to bullshit. I'm the real McCoy.

There is no special formula to relationships, but if you've been around long enough, you can recognise the warning signs. You have shown plenty. Feel free to ignore them if you wish, it's your life.

Go for it. Have your tinder fling. Bring to her Miami. But don't come crying if you end up with an Elvira.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 18, 2018, 09:26:05 AM
Gb, on my recent trip to Lviv I learnt that Tinder is not the sort of app I wish to use for dating. Not only is it expensive to search in other locations on it - you have to use their premium service. It is a bad app in general in that you are generally of on the hoof knowing little about the girl. Sure you can look them up but I think it better now to have a fair bit of messaging, video chat time, etc - get the girl to devout some real time to you; the more time she devouts the more likely she is straight up.

I've kind of learnt that while a fling with a model looking girl is all very well and good, it's no relationship. Model girls come with the negative that if they are too hot looking they tend to want a high price in return, that they tend to come with problems. A girl who is a 9 or 10 in the looks department is likely to be a problem more often than not. Fun to try out but don't look for a relationship. I would much rather have a girl in the 6-8 looks category of which there are many in the FSU and have a cracking full on genuine relationship. Going to bed with a girl you know is heavily into you can be more of a turn on that with a straight 10 model who gives you the impression she is not totally into you.

I'm not saying don't go down the path your on Gb but be cautious and not get carried away. I say this because I think people can tell you stuff on here over & over as they have done with me, bit until you get a bit of experience then you have little bearing to work from. Just take precautions, consider your own safety & security first. Don't send money or have her decide where you will be staying, keep all your money & travel documents safe at all times and have many back ups & research what to do if things go wrong abroad. Good luck!
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 18, 2018, 09:42:52 AM
Ever dealt with registration issues, crooked cops, street scammers, jealous ex-boyfriends, pickpockets, riding in crowded marshrutkas, negotiating taxi fares in Russian (and getting ripped off), being hounded by taxi drivers at airports, having chai or pelmeni with the parents, navigating icy sidewalks, dealing with drunks and gopniks? Guess what - I have.

Damn!  This is a great commentary on possible incidents while in Russia.  It is truly original prose and I think that I've experienced almost all of them.  Well, maybe not the ex boyfriends.

While the post is solid information on what is ahead of the OP as he ventures to Russia for the first time, the magic of a wonderful relationship eludes the poster.   I think that the OP has been sufficiently warned that he is not in a relationship yet. 

But there is the dream of what such a relationship can become.  And I wholeheartedly support him in his quest.

For many of the older posters, here, I submit we may have lost some of the adventurism that we had when we were younger.  To the honorable rwd123, you might need to defer from your current quest and spend a little time with the Man of La Mancha.  For I remind all on this particular forum that we don't find love.  It finds us.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 18, 2018, 10:50:24 AM
Damn!  This is a great commentary on possible incidents while in Russia.  It is truly original prose and I think that I've experienced almost all of them.  Well, maybe not the ex boyfriends.


I've experienced all of them too except for ex boyfriends. Shit happens in the FSU a lot but if a guy finds a wonderful woman, it's all worth putting up with it.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 18, 2018, 12:30:21 PM
I too think that is an excellent post by Rwd on all the pitfalls & stuff of FSU dating and I no doubt haven't been through half of all of that. The taxi issues will thankfully start to become a thing of the past now that Uber, Uklon, etc are operating through a lot of the FSU. I greet with great joy the ability to say "F you' to all those irritating taxi touts on arrival at the arrivals lounge and bypass all the taxi BS of the past as I catch my cab on the same fare as any local person :D I remember a couple of years back Boethius saying that I would never get the cheap fares locals get and that was so true then, but not now! ;D No longer will I be plagued by all the taxi idiocy.

The rest of what Rwd says is all good reading too, I'm learning as I go that learning a bit about the culture pays dividends as does getting to grips with other aspects of FSU and dating. Knowing your way about it and a big of experience behind you can make the difference, you get better at sporting the bad ones and what to avoid and what to do.

I think the main thing is Gb is that a newbie can be pretty vulnerable to start with on this venture. There are not all bad people in the FSU, most are pretty decent enough, but there are quite a few that will look to take advantage of a guy who comes across as unaware. A lot of the time this will be trying to dupe the guy, low level scams, overcharging, trying to get the few extra ghrvina or rouble. If your unlucky though some FSU people will no doubt try to do you over big time. I've not been in any of those situations so far, I've had a few mishaps but nothing real bad. It's the real bad stuff I hope to avoid by learning from mishaps and working on it all when I'm abroad. This is something I think you need to look at Gb, read all the threads about travelling abroad here, the problems that can occur and safety precautions to take before travelling. Learn also here what type of warning signs to look out for with girls. Its a constant learning process I find but one that's worth doing.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 18, 2018, 12:34:48 PM
As a side note those annoying taxi touts must be spewing over all the tourists they can no longer rip off who are using Uber or Uklon, or they soon will be :clapping:
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: rwd123 on July 18, 2018, 02:10:48 PM
I've experienced all of them too except for ex boyfriends. Shit happens in the FSU a lot but if a guy finds a wonderful woman, it's all worth putting up with it.
Agreed.

I'm just waiting for an Uber equivalent to get rid of corrupt cops!
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 18, 2018, 04:11:38 PM
Thanks for all the feedback.

For all those who have sent warning signs they have not fallen on deaf ears. No I have not and will not send her any money. Nor will I speak with her if she asks me to support her in any way financially until things are more serious and I know her better. Some of you guys are thinking that if your opinion is not what I want to hear that I am ignoring it. That is just plain false. What I am saying is, at this point the girl has done nothing to show that she is any of what you guys are saying she is besides being attractive and young. Yes we met on Tinder, yes there is a language barrier, yes there are complications. I get it. It's risky. I appreciate the concern. If I end up getting played, whats the worse that can happen. I'm 27 no kids, a lawyer, I make pretty good money for my age, in shape not a bad looking guy. I'm not quitting my career. I'm not getting a tattooed sleeve. I'm going to meet an attractive girl who for whatever reason sticks out to me amongst the other for many reasons I don't feel obligated to list. Also, it is a "Fiancé Visa" not a "Wife Visa" which allows me 3 months to live with this girl after approximately a 9 month long-distance relationship. Yeah if it works i'll visit during the 9 months but you guys are acting like marriage wouldn't mandatorily be a year away.  I mean seriously, I believe you guys are catastrophizing the situation a little bit.  Yes we video chat and speak for hours daily. Yes beautiful women tend to come at a price. I get it. I think you guys have to remember I live in Miami. I'm not a stranger to beautiful women.

Thanks again
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 18, 2018, 04:34:00 PM
Like I said, you don't know the difference between an idiot and a fool.

You may read but you won't learn, because you are blinkered to what you want to hear. This is not about me. If you don't think I have credibility then ignore my posts. But why would I care to bullshit on this forum (or its predecessor RWG)? I've got plenty of experience from my times in the FSU over the last 15 years - have you been even once? I have lived there. I'll be back there in a fortnight too.

Ever dealt with registration issues, crooked cops, street scammers, jealous ex-boyfriends, pickpockets, riding in crowded marshrutkas, negotiating taxi fares in Russian (and getting ripped off), being hounded by taxi drivers at airports, having chai or pelmeni with the parents, navigating icy sidewalks, dealing with drunks and gopniks? Guess what - I have.

And that's not even getting to the mine field of dating. Ever dated a girl who doesn't speak English, and have her friend tag along as interpreter? Do you know how frustrating that can be? It can be utterly excruciating. And how much Russian do you speak? Know how to spot a gold digger looking for a sponsor or padarki? They will lead you by the pecker and bleed you of dengi. And models don't necessarily make the best dates or best wives, they can have massive psychological insecurities and be awfully spoilt (particularly in Moscow). There's a reason Russian rockets are called Katyushas. Small tip - don't date an alcoholic. Yes, there are female ones too.

Ever been in a communal banya? Or to a dacha, or know what an ogorod is? Been to a village in the middle of nowhere? (Krimster will show you a few, haha) Travelled plaatskart before? Know the difference between olivier and vinegrette salads? (or mors and compot, haha) Did you send flowers to your girl AND her mother on the eighth of March? Know the difference between Ded Moroz and Baba Yaga? Been invited to hunt wolves? Know the difference between Yuri Nikulin and Yuri Gagarin? (she may not but her mother will) Know who Max Otto von Stirlitz is? (the guy who inspired Putin to join the KGB) How much have you learned about Russian culture? If you're lucky you might get introduced to popugai kesha or bremenskiye muzikanti... but that's unlikely for a few years (if at all). Nailed the alphabet yet? She won't be into Shah or Korrozia Metalla, but at a stretch may like some Aria.

I have no reason to bullshit. I'm the real McCoy.

There is no special formula to relationships, but if you've been around long enough, you can recognise the warning signs. You have shown plenty. Feel free to ignore them if you wish, it's your life.

Go for it. Have your tinder fling. Bring to her Miami. But don't come crying if you end up with an Elvira.

Jeez you got me with "navigating the icy sidewalks and dealing with drunks". I'm not going anymore.

 :shock:

Dude, seriously. Get over yourself. You've been to Russia a bunch of times and have had an account on a forum for a while. Just because someone doesn't run through a list of their experience like you do does not mean they do not have experience. And by the way for all the shit you talk about it, it's really surprising that you continue to go visit this anarchic society filled with gold diggers and scam artists. I'm surprised any foreigner has made it out alive.

You make no sense. Read my other posts. No one is jumping to the alter here. But your posts are absolutely ridiculous and filled with hypocrisy.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BdHvA on July 18, 2018, 07:37:54 PM
First welcome to RWD. You can read some some joyous as well as amazing stories and some quite sad tales full of caution and woe. You can ask questions and there will be multiple answers, you need to figure out what is best for your situation. There is no one way to do this correctly but multiple ways to screw it up.

Hello everyone,

I write on this forum not because I have any suspicions that this woman is hustling me but more because of the stigma associated with falling for a woman online who lives in Russia. There is a lot of negative rhetoric regarding same.

After getting to know this woman, I realized that she is very normal, sweet and kind. For instance, a typical Friday night for her consists of dinner with her mother. She is in University to be a Doctor. We share many of the same views on life and what is important in the world. We have similar backgrounds, her father was absent in her life. My mother was absent in mine. We both are born from young parents so our relationship's with our single parent is more of a friendship. In some ways this has made us both seek loyalty in a relationship more than anything else. Needless to say, we really hit it off. She is 20 and I am 27. I am a lawyer who works as a legislative analyst in Miami.

After only 3 months of talking, I am going to visit Moscow in a month to met her and her mother. We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea. The biggest issue for us right now is the transferring of credits from her current university to a university in Florida. She does not want to stop school. Which I completely understand and want to support.

I guess, I am writing to those with experience on whether anyone has ever done something similar to this. Really any comments or thoughts are welcomed.

I do not consider myself to know everything so I always seek help and input.

Meeting via Tinder seems both efficient and entirely possible. I commend you!

Speaking of marriage before you have met this woman seems premature at best.


Spend some time with her mother.  If they are as close as you say they are, you will learn alot about the woman she will become as she ages. 

Sounds like you are a lucky man.

Perhaps you are lucky, but it is very important to spend time with the mother and gather a sense of her and the nature of the relation between her daughter and mother. It will mirror her relationship to you in some degree.

You're an attorney right? Get yourself a good family law attorney that understand prenups well. You might as well use your prenup as toilet paper since that is what it'll be worth. English is not your girls primary language. You will have to hire a translator and two attorneys, one for you and one for her. Also having her sign a prenup while she has 90 days to get married can be considered by a judge as if she's signing under duress. Also if your prenup strays too far off the guidelines of your state in the event of a divorce, it can be thrown out. For example, in a 20 year marriage both parties usually split things roughly 50/50. If you give her 5% in a 20 year marriage, a judge may not approve.

Most people think a prenup is to protect them from a spouse who's vindictive and a gold digger in the event of a divorce. I feel a prenup should be used to protect people from a judge who can be bias and give one party 70% in a 20 year marriage for example. Follow the state guidelines when writing your prenup. It's fair for you and fair for her. Judges have a lot of discretion when ruling in family court but it's hard for them to throw out an agreement that is following state guidelines.

If you divorce early, you may be paying a higher amount of alimony since your girl will not be very employable. It's rarely enforced but when you get married to this girl, you are supposed to support her for 10 years when you sign that affidavit of support so she doesn't go on social programs where WE have to take care of her. If she goes crazy on you, come back here for some good advice on how to protect yourself from a DV charge.

Stay positive and don't let what I said affect how you feel for the girl. If she's a wonderful girl, go into this believing it'll last a lifetime. Unless you're making tons of money and have a lot of assets, I don't see why you need a prenup being as young as you are.

Prenups in both CT and CA are generally valueless today, I suspect the same is true in Florida. In your case a student who does not speak fluent English and understand American legal concepts she will be in a strong position to have the prenup tossed in the event of a messy divorce.

BillyB makes a very good point in his last paragraph. The English expression is in for a penny, in for a pound. The most important thing is spend time with this woman and get to know her before committing to having a partner.

NB: There are a few other comments that are worth noting but I am tired so will come back latter.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: msmob on July 18, 2018, 08:31:27 PM
Interesting thread

My experience of Tinder is second hand and based on Moscow and it's usage by a Western guy

The site seems to be used by wackos who have no idea what a relationship is and have decided they'll have sex and work out other stuff after

I'm an 'ol git - so excuse me



Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 18, 2018, 09:02:46 PM
Gb I think what people are getting at here is sometimes you can see the road way ahead for those who have had a lot of experience at this game out there. So if you outline a girl to them as you have done then they will have a pretty good idea from the get go of the scope of it all and which way things are likely to swing. Like said though without having an experience for yourself there's little place to work from, it really a case of remain on guard at all times and evaluate the girl and try to avoid being blinded by her beauty which of course can be difficult.

I think what Rwd is trying to get at is not having to deal with one particular thing or know this or that aspect of FSU culture but rather the whole scope of the FSU deal. It's not all that bad news for most unless you get real unlucky/do some stupid action. In Ukraine most cops seem decent & straight up since they reformed the whole lot a few years ago. Taxi's as said are now becoming less of a problem if you use the apps and to be honest even before the were not necessarily the be all and end all if you got screwed over, just a case of pick yourself up and move on a few quid out of pocket, lost luggage or mobile or wring location whatever it may be. I think the main point though is not any particular one issue but that it's not always a straight forward affair as it may seem. While FSU society may look fine on the surface there can be a whole load of sh*t happening beneath it's murky waters. A rich Lawyer like yourself unaccustomed to all the deal of what the FSU scene is and little experience of will be seen as easy bait and a prime target for the unscrupulous out there if which there are a fair few, not all but a fair few.

For example read the stories of the guy from the UK who was given a drink by a taxi driver stupidly took it, thinking he was being friendly, was drugged by it, stripped of his belongings then dumped out in  the wilderness in snowy winter and froze to death.

Then there is the rich millionaire guy also from the UK who upon marrying his woman had it arranged for him to be ran over on the sidewalk to claim his estate. He was ran over, he died and she made an attempt to claim his estate but because of his family involvement she and no doubt the short time they were married she was stopped from claiming his vast fortune - A lot of FSW just don't care about the guy but can come across as sweet and affectionate as pie all in the cause of trying to get what they want.

Other stories are also abound of guys being knocked off hike taken a shower by their FSW or being ripped off their belongings while in the shower - imagine finding yourself suddenly without passport or money while abroad, not a good place to be in, especially if there is no embassy in town, just a trip down the Police station is all that can be done in that scenario I guess to hopefully be repatriated down the line.

Even those with good news stories the value a woman puts on you can do with what she sees ad your worth to her. She might decide as a rich young Lawyer you are worth being with as a permanent fixture or she may decide something else is more expedient, if there is a lot of money floating around beware they can be pretty ruthless.

It can all of course come good but it's really a case of reading any signs and being on the lookout and trying to safeguard yourself as much as possible I think.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: msmob on July 19, 2018, 12:48:42 AM
Trench

Such stories may be true, but let's get reality into perspective... How many stories have you read of football fans being ripped off in Russia, at the world cup ... VERY few - I'll wager ...

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: John Gaunt on July 19, 2018, 04:35:50 AM
Gb I think what people are getting at here is sometimes you can see the road way ahead for those who have had a lot of experience at this game out there. So if you outline a girl to them as you have done then they will have a pretty good idea from the get go of the scope of it all and which way things are likely to swing. Like said though without having an experience for yourself there's little place to work from, it really a case of remain on guard at all times and evaluate the girl and try to avoid being blinded by her beauty which of course can be difficult.

I think what Rwd is trying to get at is not having to deal with one particular thing or know this or that aspect of FSU culture but rather the whole scope of the FSU deal. It's not all that bad news for most unless you get real unlucky/do some stupid action. In Ukraine most cops seem decent & straight up since they reformed the whole lot a few years ago. Taxi's as said are now becoming less of a problem if you use the apps and to be honest even before the were not necessarily the be all and end all if you got screwed over, just a case of pick yourself up and move on a few quid out of pocket, lost luggage or mobile or wring location whatever it may be. I think the main point though is not any particular one issue but that it's not always a straight forward affair as it may seem. While FSU society may look fine on the surface there can be a whole load of sh*t happening beneath it's murky waters. A rich Lawyer like yourself unaccustomed to all the deal of what the FSU scene is and little experience of will be seen as easy bait and a prime target for the unscrupulous out there if which there are a fair few, not all but a fair few.

For example read the stories of the guy from the UK who was given a drink by a taxi driver stupidly took it, thinking he was being friendly, was drugged by it, stripped of his belongings then dumped out in  the wilderness in snowy winter and froze to death.

Then there is the rich millionaire guy also from the UK who upon marrying his woman had it arranged for him to be ran over on the sidewalk to claim his estate. He was ran over, he died and she made an attempt to claim his estate but because of his family involvement she and no doubt the short time they were married she was stopped from claiming his vast fortune - A lot of FSW just don't care about the guy but can come across as sweet and affectionate as pie all in the cause of trying to get what they want.

Other stories are also abound of guys being knocked off hike taken a shower by their FSW or being ripped off their belongings while in the shower - imagine finding yourself suddenly without passport or money while abroad, not a good place to be in, especially if there is no embassy in town, just a trip down the Police station is all that can be done in that scenario I guess to hopefully be repatriated down the line.

Even those with good news stories the value a woman puts on you can do with what she sees ad your worth to her. She might decide as a rich young Lawyer you are worth being with as a permanent fixture or she may decide something else is more expedient, if there is a lot of money floating around beware they can be pretty ruthless.

It can all of course come good but it's really a case of reading any signs and being on the lookout and trying to safeguard yourself as much as possible I think.
A couple of bad luck stories and you condemn an entire society? The incidents you have described are hardly unique to the FSU. Why, they could be happening in deepest Berkshire.
No, Trench, your paranoia is getting the better of you again. Better get back on the meds, matey.
To all those newbies who read Trench’s advice....be warned. The guy is a fool and not someone you should emulate or take seriously.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: rwd123 on July 19, 2018, 05:47:05 AM
Dude, get over yourself. Your ego is nauseating. You're not some bastion of righteousness, you're a n00b. I was around during RWG days. Not that you know what that is. Do you know who Elvira is? Hard to forget THAT story. Or BillyB's endless pursuits, and the girl in Tashkent that didn't work out. The only other guy I remember is Stirlitz, because I rented an apartment through him.

But this thread is not about me. It's about you.

You seem to have zero knowledge or interest in Russian culture. You even disparage the society.

Given you're a lawyer I'll deal with the facts.

- You are 27 years old.
- You have never been to Russia or FSU countries.
- You do not speak or understand Russian.
- You contacted a girl via Tinder in Moscow.
- She is 20 years old.
- She does not speak English.
- Communication started three months ago.
- You have never met her.

On marriage you stated:
- "We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea"
But also:
- "I typically would never marry a women so quickly at all"
- "if I get any weird vibes i'm backing off"
- "I am not in love"
- "I like what I see is all"
- "And at a minimum, I will get my tinder lay in a month"

So here a persuasive argument I'll put forward.

- You're a Miami-based lawyer with a Miami lawyer ego.
- You want a trophy wife, a Russian one.
- You can't get a girl locally so got curious on Tinder.
- Tinder is not a hotbed of future wives, particularly 20 year olds.
- You saw a hot chick from Moscow.
- You're desperate so you chased her on instagram.
- You've painted an exotic picture of life in Miami, and she likes the promised lifestyle.
- Neither of you have experience in a long-term/serious relationship.
- Neither of you are ready for marriage.
- You're happy to screw her and ditch her.
- You have no understanding or experience of Russian culture/psyche, or of Russian women.
- She could easily play you a fiddle and you wouldn't even know it.
- You have scant interest in Russian culture or society, and will only gain interest through necessity.
- You haven't been laid in ages and it is impairing your judgment.
- Any negativity in response to your fantastic visions is met by your bias, "in my opinion, one of the biggest forms of immaturity is negativity and a lack of introspection"

You stated, "any comments or thoughts are welcomed". Really?

I've been the horny 20-something guy chasing skirt in the FSU (when you were still in elementary school), and I caught enough skirt to learn a thing or two, though nothing like Krimster! Admittedly I didn't use dating apps or marriage agencies. I didn't have to. But there are serious warning signs in what you have written.

You are blinded from criticism by your desires. Check your ego at the door and try to objectively read what I and others have written. You're not ready for marriage and this virtual relationship you have going could easily go pear shaped.

Triggered? Calm down, count to ten slowly, and read objectively.
Title: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 19, 2018, 07:51:42 AM
Im curious though. In terms of escape route, what do you mean?

I can't speak for Steamer however I would recommend a backup plan.
Don't schedule your first meeting on a cruise ship where you are stuck
together whether things work out or not.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Steamer on July 19, 2018, 08:15:05 AM
I can't speak for Steamer however I would recommend a backup plan.
Don't schedule your first meeting on a cruise ship where you are stuck
together whether things work out or not.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0)


This is what I was getting at. Sometimes, even after letters and skype, it just doesn't work and you must cut bait but I've seen many guys who will not let go of the fantasy and insist on "making" it work. That's why I suggested to dampen the enthusiasm so he can keep a clear head. Getting stuck can be a mental constraint.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 19, 2018, 10:11:46 AM
Dude, get over yourself. Your ego is nauseating. You're not some bastion of righteousness, you're a n00b. I was around during RWG days. Not that you know what that is. Do you know who Elvira is? Hard to forget THAT story. Or BillyB's endless pursuits, and the girl in Tashkent that didn't work out. The only other guy I remember is Stirlitz, because I rented an apartment through him.

But this thread is not about me. It's about you.

You seem to have zero knowledge or interest in Russian culture. You even disparage the society.

Given you're a lawyer I'll deal with the facts.

- You are 27 years old.
- You have never been to Russia or FSU countries.
- You do not speak or understand Russian.
- You contacted a girl via Tinder in Moscow.
- She is 20 years old.
- She does not speak English.
- Communication started three months ago.
- You have never met her.

On marriage you stated:
- "We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea"
But also:
- "I typically would never marry a women so quickly at all"
- "if I get any weird vibes i'm backing off"
- "I am not in love"
- "I like what I see is all"
- "And at a minimum, I will get my tinder lay in a month"

So here a persuasive argument I'll put forward.

- You're a Miami-based lawyer with a Miami lawyer ego.
- You want a trophy wife, a Russian one.
- You can't get a girl locally so got curious on Tinder.
- Tinder is not a hotbed of future wives, particularly 20 year olds.
- You saw a hot chick from Moscow.
- You're desperate so you chased her on instagram.
- You've painted an exotic picture of life in Miami, and she likes the promised lifestyle.
- Neither of you have experience in a long-term/serious relationship.
- Neither of you are ready for marriage.
- You're happy to screw her and ditch her.
- You have no understanding or experience of Russian culture/psyche, or of Russian women.
- She could easily play you a fiddle and you wouldn't even know it.
- You have scant interest in Russian culture or society, and will only gain interest through necessity.
- You haven't been laid in ages and it is impairing your judgment.
- Any negativity in response to your fantastic visions is met by your bias, "in my opinion, one of the biggest forms of immaturity is negativity and a lack of introspection"

You stated, "any comments or thoughts are welcomed". Really?

I've been the horny 20-something guy chasing skirt in the FSU (when you were still in elementary school), and I caught enough skirt to learn a thing or two, though nothing like Krimster! Admittedly I didn't use dating apps or marriage agencies. I didn't have to. But there are serious warning signs in what you have written.

You are blinded from criticism by your desires. Check your ego at the door and try to objectively read what I and others have written. You're not ready for marriage and this virtual relationship you have going could easily go pear shaped.

Triggered? Calm down, count to ten slowly, and read objectively.

Kinda hard to read objectively when you're calling him out on everything he's written.  Yes, we all know that you've been through the ringer.  But the reality is that with some good coaching, and some appropriate words, this guy will fall ill to the same affliction that has taunted us all.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 10:18:54 AM
Dude, get over yourself. Your ego is nauseating. You're not some bastion of righteousness, you're a n00b. I was around during RWG days. Not that you know what that is. Do you know who Elvira is? Hard to forget THAT story. Or BillyB's endless pursuits, and the girl in Tashkent that didn't work out. The only other guy I remember is Stirlitz, because I rented an apartment through him.

But this thread is not about me. It's about you.

You seem to have zero knowledge or interest in Russian culture. You even disparage the society.

Given you're a lawyer I'll deal with the facts.

- You are 27 years old.
- You have never been to Russia or FSU countries.
- You do not speak or understand Russian.
- You contacted a girl via Tinder in Moscow.
- She is 20 years old.
- She does not speak English.
- Communication started three months ago.
- You have never met her.

On marriage you stated:
- "We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea"
But also:
- "I typically would never marry a women so quickly at all"
- "if I get any weird vibes i'm backing off"
- "I am not in love"
- "I like what I see is all"
- "And at a minimum, I will get my tinder lay in a month"

So here a persuasive argument I'll put forward.

- You're a Miami-based lawyer with a Miami lawyer ego.
- You want a trophy wife, a Russian one.
- You can't get a girl locally so got curious on Tinder.
- Tinder is not a hotbed of future wives, particularly 20 year olds.
- You saw a hot chick from Moscow.
- You're desperate so you chased her on instagram.
- You've painted an exotic picture of life in Miami, and she likes the promised lifestyle.
- Neither of you have experience in a long-term/serious relationship.
- Neither of you are ready for marriage.
- You're happy to screw her and ditch her.
- You have no understanding or experience of Russian culture/psyche, or of Russian women.
- She could easily play you a fiddle and you wouldn't even know it.
- You have scant interest in Russian culture or society, and will only gain interest through necessity.
- You haven't been laid in ages and it is impairing your judgment.
- Any negativity in response to your fantastic visions is met by your bias, "in my opinion, one of the biggest forms of immaturity is negativity and a lack of introspection"

You stated, "any comments or thoughts are welcomed". Really?

I've been the horny 20-something guy chasing skirt in the FSU (when you were still in elementary school), and I caught enough skirt to learn a thing or two, though nothing like Krimster! Admittedly I didn't use dating apps or marriage agencies. I didn't have to. But there are serious warning signs in what you have written.

You are blinded from criticism by your desires. Check your ego at the door and try to objectively read what I and others have written. You're not ready for marriage and this virtual relationship you have going could easily go pear shaped.

Triggered? Calm down, count to ten slowly, and read objectively.


You win man. I think everyone has noticed the wealth of knowledge you have. Take a look at the responses. Everyone agrees with you.  :popcorn:

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 10:24:34 AM
To everyone else. I appreciate all the time. Your comments have been very insightful and I am definitely considering all scenarios mentioned.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 19, 2018, 10:30:17 AM
 At your age if it doesn't work out it's not the end of the world.  I've dated more FSU  Women than anybody since the 90s and I had a blast  as a single man. Just make sure if you marry one that she's a high-quality woman. Although people on tinder have a reputation for not looking for a serious relationship it is possible people can change.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 11:09:43 AM
At your age if it doesn't work out it's not the end of the world.  I've dated more FSU  Women than anybody since the 90s and I had a blast  as a single man. Just make sure if you marry one that she's a high-quality woman. Although people on tinder have a reputation for not looking for a serious relationship it is possible people can change.

Thanks.

My biggest issue with that guys feedback is. He acts like an expert on everything. He wants to “son” me with all his experience with Russian women and the culture and the years he has over me.

Reality is, Tinder is used for a lot of things. I know people who are successfully married after meeting on tinder. It’s a social dating app. Now I’m not gonna sit here and say I am an expert on anything. Especially a foreign country I did not grow up in. No matter how many times I have visited.

This guys an expert in everything.

He’s an expert on tinder

He’s an expert on russia

He’s an expert on Russian models

He’s an expert on lawyers.

He’s an expert on lawyers who are 27 who live in miami

He’s an expert on all 20 year olds who are on tinder.

He’s a relationship guru.

He’s an expert on icy side walks.

He’s an expert on marriage.


A girl being on tinder Fromm Russia who is attractive.
Who does not speak much English.

Is hardly enough information for someone to completely condemn them. I think this guy has been played a lot. And because he’s been played. He is an expert. And the reality is, I already had another member inbox me and tell me how he met his wife of 25 years when he was 29 and she was 22. She went to medical school and became a doctor and they have kids together. He was very supportive.

I’m not saying this is going to be my situation. What I’m saying is this guy thinks because all these things have happened to him. They are going to happen to everyone. He may think that. But it’s simply not reality. He is the typical guy that tells everyone what they can and cannot do  without having accomplished Anything other than travel and be on a forum and get repeatedly scammed.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Nightwish on July 19, 2018, 11:41:43 AM
At your age if it doesn't work out it's not the end of the world.  I've dated more FSU  Women than anybody since the 90s and I had a blast  as a single man. Just make sure if you marry one that she's a high-quality woman. Although people on tinder have a reputation for not looking for a serious relationship it is possible people can change.

Mighty big words.. How do you know this.. And how many hundreds are we talking about?
I have to admit I haven't read your trip report.. But more then any other man??

And another curious thought.. Were any of these women of legal age when you started dating them?
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 19, 2018, 11:46:24 AM
I don't think that's the case here Gb, it may look like the case to a newbie to this site but it really takes just a little bit of experience starting of to come around and see that Rwd's advice it pretty relevant to most people dating in the FSU. Many of us myself included will have come across at least some of what Rwd states from just the odd few visits out there.

The people out there will be up to any silly trick to get even just a few Grhivna or Rouble. I think they have it ingrained in their way of life particularly certain segments of society such as taxi drivers for example, but many girls will also. Some of course are decent and will help out a stranger on a money for nothing basis, some have a very decent and genuine streak to them, but be on your guard for those that aren't.

Rwd tells you the stuff he does because he's been hauled through it all. No of course an icy sidewalk with some drunks is not a reason to fear per se or avoid travel. I think he is more trying to allure you to the state of FSU society, that in parts of is wreaked and beneath the pretty image of a young lady this is what you could be dealing with. People that don't care who you are or how they will do you over. That they will be hospitalble to your face but have hidden intentions. It's not all bad of course some can turn up trumps, but behind every statement uttered of where a girl was met,  how pretty she is,  how old she is supposed to be, what she is supposed to be studying or working as and whether she speaks English to someone that had been through it all like Rwd they can often get a pretty good idea of what becones on the horizon.

FSU dating is NOT the same as dating in the US or UK or wherever in the western world,  there are specific pitfalls to avoid and to look out for. I suggest read a lot on here and learn the sort of things they are first so you are better prepared for them should they turn up.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 19, 2018, 11:53:51 AM
This link will probably explain better the sort of stuff you can get in a bad situation Gb and it's also about Tinder so quite applicable to you:

http://youtu.be/SQ6DFGPLY_c
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 12:22:14 PM
I don't think that's the case here Gb, it may look like the case to a newbie to this site but it really takes just a little bit of experience starting of to come around and see that Rwd's advice it pretty relevant to most people dating in the FSU. Many of us myself included will have come across at least some of what Rwd states from just the odd few visits out there.

The people out there will be up to any silly trick to get even just a few Grhivna or Rouble. I think they have it ingrained in their way of life particularly certain segments of society such as taxi drivers for example, but many girls will also. Some of course are decent and will help out a stranger on a money for nothing basis, some have a very decent and genuine streak to them, but be on your guard for those that aren't.

Rwd tells you the stuff he does because he's been hauled through it all. No of course an icy sidewalk with some drunks is not a reason to fear per se or avoid travel. I think he is more trying to allure you to the state of FSU society, that in parts of is wreaked and beneath the pretty image of a young lady this is what you could be dealing with. People that don't care who you are or how they will do you over. That they will be hospitalble to your face but have hidden intentions. It's not all bad of course some can turn up trumps, but behind every statement uttered of where a girl was met,  how pretty she is,  how old she is supposed to be, what she is supposed to be studying or working as and whether she speaks English to someone that had been through it all like Rwd they can often get a pretty good idea of what becones on the horizon.

FSU dating is NOT the same as dating in the US or UK or wherever in the western world,  there are specific pitfalls to avoid and to look out for. I suggest read a lot on here and learn the sort of things they are first so you are better prepared for them should they turn up.

I gotcha. I’m not denying any of that exists. I’ve travelled all through Venezuela multiple times. Murder capital of the world where you literally cannot find cash because of inflation. The women and men there literally are killing for food. And used tinder there. Where a cop will kill you if you don’t pay him.

My point is. Safety is key. Sorry guys, I know Russia is a sketchy place at times. But if you fall for the traps. That’s your fault. Not the society. You chose to  travel there. BE

You guys act like these things don’t happen state side either.

I mean. What does this guy know about tinder. How old is he? Do you understand that an old white guy on tinder looking to pick up a young 20 year old is very likely to be scammed. They are a target that sticks out. They are not supposed to be on tinder and are known to be looking to pay for a young girl.

They are exactly what the scammers look for.

What does this guy look like? Do you expect to have a beer belly on tinder and land a 10. No, you’re goong to get hustled. That’s not the place for old people.

Bottom line is. Any normal girl would not even consider him. His chances of meeting someone that is not trying to scam him are very slim. Because he’s got nothing to offer other than money.
.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: msmob on July 19, 2018, 12:40:11 PM
Mighty big words..
And another curious thought.. Were any of these women of legal age when you started dating them?

:))))))))))))

BillyB... you post about 'fake news' and then post bollox boasts

I know a guy from the next county who was taking long weekends in Kyiv, 2/3 weekends out of 4 ....I am CERTAIN he has dated FAR more FSUW than you
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: ML on July 19, 2018, 12:41:35 PM
Billy meant he had dated far more FSUW than other categories of women.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: msmob on July 19, 2018, 12:48:08 PM
Billy meant he had dated far more FSUW than other categories of women.

I think not ... 
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: mhr7 on July 19, 2018, 12:52:55 PM
I gotcha. I’m not denying any of that exists. I’ve travelled all through Venezuela multiple times. Murder capital of the world where you literally cannot find cash because of inflation. The women and men there literally are killing for food. And used tinder there. Where a cop will kill you if you don’t pay him.

My point is. Safety is key. Sorry guys, I know Russia is a sketchy place at times. But if you fall for the traps. That’s your fault. Not the society. You chose to  travel there. BE

You guys act like these things don’t happen state side either.

I mean. What does this guy know about tinder. How old is he? Do you understand that an old white guy on tinder looking to pick up a young 20 year old is very likely to be scammed. They are a target that sticks out. They are not supposed to be on tinder and are known to be looking to pay for a young girl.

They are exactly what the scammers look for.

What does this guy look like? Do you expect to have a beer belly on tinder and land a 10. No, you’re goong to get hustled. That’s not the place for old people.

Bottom line is. Any normal girl would not even consider him. His chances of meeting someone that is not trying to scam him are very slim. Because he’s got nothing to offer other than money.
.

You're coming across as someone who's very arrogant and naive. You'd better listen to what rwd123 and Bee Farmer have to say because there's a lot of wisdom there. I've been living in the FSU for almost 8 years and been on these forums for 6 and you really have no idea all of the things you don't know. You have ZERO experience with this. I wish you the best of luck but I think you're in for a rude awakening. No English and 20 years old, that's a steep mountain to climb.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 19, 2018, 01:06:42 PM
So how did you survive Venezuela Gb? I take it you didn't rely on luck or hope for the best!

Personally if it was me I would not go to Venezuela  and countries that are that bad. It's like people who get into trouble in Saudi about trivial things and then complain. I follow the thought process that if a country is a known sh*thole then I don't go there and that is what I should expect if I travel to a sh*thole country. I wouldn't go to Venezuela as being a white guy and a foriegner I would be a prime target and so find it better to avoid all that BS.

The FSU is not usually as bad as real sh*thole countries it is normally civilised enough, but of course as discussed there is boll*cks going on. By all means press on though. Some guys seem to be able to negotiate what are often seen as dubious routes and come out shining. Others think they can and don't, I don't think I can so I don't.

I think the point you make about guys being realistic has some merit. If a girl sees a guy as fit, successfull and desirable, if she can see him as comparable to her socially either through age and/or how socially adept he is then she will see him as worthy of her. If he comes across as socially weak, not near her level, old and past it, not someone she would normally be seen with then the scams and bad behaviour will no doubt come into play. So I think your right in that being an area guys looking for a FSW fall down on.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: LAman on July 19, 2018, 03:14:13 PM
This link will probably explain better the sort of stuff you can get in a bad situation Gb and it's also about Tinder so quite applicable to you:

http://youtu.be/SQ6DFGPLY_c


Read this story about Tinder last year:  http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g298507-i707-k11013587-Tinder_Scams_St_Petersburg-St_Petersburg_Northwestern_District.html



I am always amazed at what guys will do to try to get laid!!! Tinder IS mainly a place to get hooked up.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 03:25:44 PM

Read this story about Tinder last year:  http://www.tripadvisor.com/ShowTopic-g298507-i707-k11013587-Tinder_Scams_St_Petersburg-St_Petersburg_Northwestern_District.html



I am always amazed at what guys will do to try to get laid!!! Tinder IS mainly a place to get hooked up.

😂😂😂😂 this is the typical Latvian stag party scam. You have to be a moron. Instincts.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 03:47:10 PM
So how did you survive Venezuela Gb? I take it you didn't rely on luck or hope for the best!

Personally if it was me I would not go to Venezuela  and countries that are that bad. It's like people who get into trouble in Saudi about trivial things and then complain. I follow the thought process that if a country is a known sh*thole then I don't go there and that is what I should expect if I travel to a sh*thole country. I wouldn't go to Venezuela as being a white guy and a foriegner I would be a prime target and so find it better to avoid all that BS.

The FSU is not usually as bad as real sh*thole countries it is normally civilised enough, but of course as discussed there is boll*cks going on. By all means press on though. Some guys seem to be able to negotiate what are often seen as dubious routes and come out shining. Others think they can and don't, I don't think I can so I don't.

I think the point you make about guys being realistic has some merit. If a girl sees a guy as fit, successfull and desirable, if she can see him as comparable to her socially either through age and/or how socially adept he is then she will see him as worthy of her. If he comes across as socially weak, not near her level, old and past it, not someone she would normally be seen with then the scams and bad behaviour will no doubt come into play. So I think your right in that being an area guys looking for a FSW fall down on.

In Venzla you don’t go out at night.

I don’t know about you guys but when a women starts to suggest where to meet. I consider it a red flag. Pretty much anywhere. But definitely in a foreign country. I just won’t meet if they start to get to pushy on a location. I set it up. Let them know the day of. Also, you can tell a sketchy girl who wants to scam you from a normal one in person. You have to trust instincts. If something smells bad it probably is. The difference between that and what this guy is doing is. He is generalizing. And using context clues that simply do not gaurentee what he is trying to gaurentee.

Now if the girl started to ask me for money for her phone bill. Or started to disappear for a day without messaging me. Or started pressuring me to book at a certain place. Those are legitimate signs of a scammer.

I would have nothing against him. But to say. A 20 year old and tinder and speaks Russian is an automatic scam. Is ridiculous.

So let’s flip it. If I met a 20 year old on tinder in miami who speaks Spanish. Or even if I met one in another state. Who wants to mee who is attractive. Does that make her an automatic scammer?? 

Scammers scam. And try to make an easy buck. This girl spends hours talking to me on Skype. When we don’t Skype she is constantly texting me.

Has never asked me for one dollar. This has gone on for months.

I mean it sounds like a lot a lot of time invested just for a scam.

But again. It may well be the best scammer ever. Therefore, I am not gonna let my guard down. But I’m not gonna automatically assume the worse when I disageee that tinder and 20 means automatic scam. And the fact that she speaks Russian.  News flash. She lives in Russia. What did you expect her to speak? Mandarin?
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Davo2 on July 19, 2018, 03:50:31 PM
In defence of tinder and coming from someone who spent 6 months using it, It's all things..... Yes it's a hook up site, but more so for people in their 20's. In the late 20's - 50 age group, a vast majority of people are using it as a regular dating site, to find a serious relationship.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 04:11:49 PM
I haven have 209 scammers across the world trying to scam me as we speak. See attached.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: LAman on July 19, 2018, 04:14:58 PM
Gb,

I for one never said the girl you will meet soon is a scammer, I mention only what mainly the site you met this girl is known for. If you think she is someone you have chance to develop a relationship, more power to you.

Your talk of possible marriage to a girl you met (talked, skyped) for 3 months, doesn't speak your language and is a  20 yr old reeks of unmature, unrealistic thought process on your part. What is your reason for bringing up such talk?

Dating to a process to learn and develop a possible LTR, not to dream of what the possibilites can be. I young very naive girl can be impressed with such discussions but in a few months time think completely different.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 04:16:23 PM
Oh wait Hinge too! Over 300 scammers and one night standers.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: LAman on July 19, 2018, 04:18:27 PM
I haven have 209 scammers across the world trying to scam me as we speak. See attached.


So anyone who says Hi to you is a scammer?

Why are you even on such sites?
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 04:23:30 PM
Gb,

I for one never said the girl you will meet soon is a scammer, I mention only what mainly the site you met this girl is known for. If you think she is someone you have chance to develop a relationship, more power to you.

Your talk of possible marriage to a girl you met (talked, skyped) for 3 months, doesn't speak your language and is a  20 yr old reeks of unmature, unrealistic thought process on your part. What is your reason for bringing up such talk?

Dating to a process to learn and develop a possible LTR, not to dream of what the possibilites can be. I young very naive girl can be impressed with such discussions but in a few months time think completely different.

I gotcha man. The girls 20. According to everyone on here. She’s either a scammer, naieve, immature. Reality is There is no point in talking to a girl Fromm Russia if you don’t plan on bringing her over. It’s not around the block you can’t take a weekend trip to visit. So yeah. If I want a real relationship with her marriage would be the only option. Unfortunately. HOWEVER. Even that is about a year process.

It’s gonna take a few months just to get her to be able to come here to get married. IF the girl is willing to stick that out and continues to communicate and doesn’t start to act shady. After I go in August. Then why not marry her?

Jeez if it’s to get out of Russia that badly to the point where you’re constantly texting a guy and having to sleep with him and lie that you like him so much. She deserves to play me.

But your point is taken. Yes, under normal circumstances, this is very immature and unrealistic. And the fact that she speaks Russian is really not a big deal to me. The first Russian girl I dated, (as mentioned in an earlier post) who happened to have just come from Moscow on a modeling contract did not speak a lick of english. I had to teach her.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 04:25:26 PM

So anyone who says Hi to you is a scammer?

Why are you even on such sites?


It’s sarcasm man. There are hundreds of thousands of people on dating apps like tinder. To say every chick is looking for a one night stand or to scam someone is coming from a guy with no experience or a really bad experience.

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: LAman on July 19, 2018, 04:37:55 PM
I gotcha man. The girls 20. According to everyone on here. She’s either a scammer, naieve, immature. Reality is There is no point in talking to a girl Fromm Russia if you don’t plan on bringing her over. It’s not around the block you can’t take a weekend trip to visit. So yeah. If I want a real relationship with her marriage would be the only option. Unfortunately. HOWEVER. Even that is about a year process.

It’s gonna take a few months just to get her to be able to come here to get married. IF the girl is willing to stick that out and continues to communicate and doesn’t start to act shady. After I go in August. Then why not marry her?

Jeez if it’s to get out of Russia that badly to the point where you’re conatantly texting a guy and having to sleep with him and lie that you like him so much. She deserves to play me.

What your not really comprehending is your talk of marriage to someone who you have never met, spent time together...….let alone speak and fully comprehend what each other is talking about. It is fantasy talk, someone dreaming.


You can talk about marriage after you meet, find you have chemistry together, similar interests, values and future goals.

Are you going to use an interpreter or just translate apps that leave you sometimes unsure of what is being said/meant?
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 04:40:55 PM
What your not really comprehending is your talk of marriage to someone who you have never met, spent time together...….let alone speak and fully comprehend what each other is talking about. It is fantasy talk, someone dreaming.


You can talk about marriage after you meet, find you have chemistry together, similar interests, values and future goals.

Are you going to use an interpreter or just translate apps that leave you sometimes unsure of what is being said/meant?


But your point is taken. Yes, under normal circumstances, this is very immature and unrealistic. And the fact that she speaks Russian is really not a big deal to me. The first Russian girl I dated, (as mentioned in an earlier post) who happened to have just come from Moscow on a modeling contract did not speak a lick of english. I had to teach her.


And I know this comment will have a benign effect on your opinion. But much of what we have spoken about is values and future goals.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 19, 2018, 04:44:47 PM
Am just curious:  If you passed the Bar in Florida, why is your ability to construct proper English sentences so poor and why are there so many misspelled words?   I have two children, one your age and one about three years younger.  Both are college grads and both have jobs that require them to know Strunk and White. 

Both of them could run circles around your ability to correctly use the English language. 

Something here does not ring true.  An attorney?  Doubtful.  Although I did have an attorney who was in my employ who did not possess good English skills.  He lasted a week before I fired him.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 04:49:04 PM
Am just curious:  If you passed the Bar in Florida, why is your ability to construct proper English sentences so poor and why are there so many misspelled words?   I have two children, one your age and one about three years younger.  Both are college grads and both have jobs that require them to know Strunk and White. 

Both of them could run circles around your ability to correctly use the English language. 

Something here does not ring true.  An attorney?  Doubtful.  Although I did have an attorney who was in my employ who did not possess good English skills.  He lasted a week before I fired him.

Because I am typing on a forum and not filing an appellate brief. Would you like to pay me the 500 dollars an hour so that I can make sure my assistant makes sure my grammar is nice and tight for you?

More than happy to do that for you.

And as for your kids. Wonderful, you bred some english teachers. Keep up the good work! Can't wait to hear what the next batch does.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Boethius on July 19, 2018, 04:55:14 PM
A number of years ago, I was tasked with reviewing the memos of junior lawyers, before the memos went out to clients.  They were about 50/50 on grammar/sentence structure, even clarity.  I remember one that I had to rework completely.  The research was there, but the ability to express thoughts was absolutely lacking, and the grammar was appalling.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Boethius on July 19, 2018, 05:08:05 PM
Like I said, you don't know the difference between an idiot and a fool.

You may read but you won't learn, because you are blinkered to what you want to hear. This is not about me. If you don't think I have credibility then ignore my posts. But why would I care to bullshit on this forum (or its predecessor RWG)? I've got plenty of experience from my times in the FSU over the last 15 years - have you been even once? I have lived there. I'll be back there in a fortnight too.

Ever dealt with registration issues, crooked cops, street scammers, jealous ex-boyfriends, pickpockets, riding in crowded marshrutkas, negotiating taxi fares in Russian (and getting ripped off), being hounded by taxi drivers at airports, having chai or pelmeni with the parents, navigating icy sidewalks, dealing with drunks and gopniks? Guess what - I have.

And that's not even getting to the mine field of dating. Ever dated a girl who doesn't speak English, and have her friend tag along as interpreter? Do you know how frustrating that can be? It can be utterly excruciating. And how much Russian do you speak? Know how to spot a gold digger looking for a sponsor or padarki? They will lead you by the pecker and bleed you of dengi. And models don't necessarily make the best dates or best wives, they can have massive psychological insecurities and be awfully spoilt (particularly in Moscow). There's a reason Russian rockets are called Katyushas. Small tip - don't date an alcoholic. Yes, there are female ones too.

Ever been in a communal banya? Or to a dacha, or know what an ogorod is? Been to a village in the middle of nowhere? (Krimster will show you a few, haha) Travelled plaatskart before? Know the difference between olivier and vinegrette salads? (or mors and compot, haha) Did you send flowers to your girl AND her mother on the eighth of March? Know the difference between Ded Moroz and Baba Yaga? Been invited to hunt wolves? Know the difference between Yuri Nikulin and Yuri Gagarin? (she may not but her mother will) Know who Max Otto von Stirlitz is? (the guy who inspired Putin to join the KGB) How much have you learned about Russian culture? If you're lucky you might get introduced to popugai kesha or bremenskiye muzikanti... but that's unlikely for a few years (if at all). Nailed the alphabet yet? She won't be into Shah or Korrozia Metalla, but at a stretch may like some Aria.


TBH, I don't think any of those things matter in a relationship.  You marry a person, not a culture.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 19, 2018, 05:13:03 PM
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Am just curious:  If you passed the Bar in Florida, why is your ability to construct proper English sentences so poor and why are there so many misspelled words?

Something here does not ring true.  An attorney?  Doubtful.

In any profession, you have people who have the bare minimum competence, and then you have aces who just kill it.

There is a correlation between IQ and grammar.  IQ is not always a guarantee of competence, but it is safe to assume that someone with good grammar will have a higher IQ and is more competent.  (Which is what you were insinuating, in not so many words.)

He already said he was a legislative analyst.  The average salary for a legislative analyst in Florida is $45K.  The average starting salary for a normal attorney is supposed to be $160K.  Don't be fooled into thinking of him as a stereotypical attorney.

The average law student who attends public university (the lowest cost) ends up having an average of $70K.  After graduating 2 years ago, he likely hasn't paid down the debt very far.

The average one bedroom apartment in Miami is $2K a month.

You do the math and see what you come up with.  Tons of debt, minimal assets, low salary and little money left after expenses = another wallet like Trenchcoat's.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 05:23:28 PM
In any profession, you have people who have the bare minimum competence, and then you have aces who just kill it.

There is a correlation between IQ and grammar.  IQ is not always a guarantee of competence, but it is safe to assume that someone with good grammar will have a higher IQ and is more competent.  (Which is what you were insinuating, in not so many words.)

He already said he was a legislative analyst.  The average salary for a legislative analyst in Florida is $45K.  The average starting salary for a normal attorney is supposed to be $160K.  Don't be fooled into thinking of him as a stereotypical attorney.

The average law student who attends public university (the lowest cost) ends up having an average of $70K.  After graduating 2 years ago, he likely hasn't paid down the debt very far.

The average one bedroom apartment in Miami is $2K a month.

You do the math and see what you come up with.  Tons of debt, minimal assets, low salary and little money left after expenses = another wallet like Trenchcoat's.

Hater. Show yours. Probably more in my account than you make a year. Here goes the Bee Farmer making findings on income.  You guys are the kings of being experts on s**t you know nothing about.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Boethius on July 19, 2018, 05:24:52 PM
Hello everyone,

Thanks for reading my post. I wanted to get some advice on here. About two months ago I was swiping on tinder while in Miami for women in Moscow. I was mainly doing this out of curiosity with the idea of possibly planning a trip in the future. While swiping, I found this one girl. We did not match but I sent her a message through instagram. She did not respond immediately but when she did she advised me that she only speaks Russian. I thought to myself, no issue, google translate. At first she was not very communicative and understandably so, a random dudes message on instagram from across the world is not the most attractive of scenarios to meet someone. However, over time, we began to get to know each other and speak more and more. First off, this girl is absolutely gorgeous. Model type as I am sure everyone on here is familiar with.

That being said, I am not a sucker. I know the risk associated with a beautiful women across the world.  I am not inexperienced with meeting foreign women. Frankly, the vast majority have been very angled or intentioned, which at times I have shamefully used to my advantage. Never did I allow myself to actually get caught in a hustle, usually, you can tell if you are completely honest with yourself. Obviously, this is just my opinion.

I write on this forum not because I have any suspicions that this woman is hustling me but more because of the stigma associated with falling for a woman online who lives in Russia. There is a lot of negative rhetoric regarding same.

After getting to know this woman, I realized that she is very normal, sweet and kind. For instance, a typical Friday night for her consists of dinner with her mother. She is in University to be a Doctor. We share many of the same views on life and what is important in the world. We have similar backgrounds, her father was absent in her life. My mother was absent in mine. We both are born from young parents so our relationship's with our single parent is more of a friendship. In some ways this has made us both seek loyalty in a relationship more than anything else. Needless to say, we really hit it off. She is 20 and I am 27. I am a lawyer who works as a legislative analyst in Miami.

After only 3 months of talking, I am going to visit Moscow in a month to met her and her mother. We have already spoken about getting married which was really my idea. The biggest issue for us right now is the transferring of credits from her current university to a university in Florida. She does not want to stop school. Which I completely understand and want to support.

I guess, I am writing to those with experience on whether anyone has ever done something similar to this. Really any comments or thoughts are welcomed.

I do not consider myself to know everything so I always seek help and input.

I think you should go, meet her, and determine if you both wish to continue to a relationship. 

I don't think being young is an issue, but some of the background you disclose (absent parents jumps out at me) are negative indicators for a successful marriage, with anyone.  I'm not posting that to discourage you, just so that you are aware of some of the hurdles you will face. 

You are going to do what you're going to do.  No one here is going to dissuade you, and could they, it would mean you are not committed in any event. 
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 05:26:00 PM
I think you should go, meet her, and determine if you both wish to continue to a relationship. 

I don't think being young is an issue, but some of the background you disclose (absent parents jumps out at me) are negative indicators for a successful marriage, with anyone.  I'm not posting that to discourage you, just so that you are aware of some of the hurdles you will face. 

You are going to do what you're going to do.  No one here is going to dissuade you, and could they, it would mean you are not committed in any event.

Thanks my friend. This is some good honest feedback. Others should learn from you.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 19, 2018, 05:49:48 PM
I think you should go, meet her, and determine if you both wish to continue to a relationship. 

I agree
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 19, 2018, 06:25:12 PM
I agree

Appreciate the feedback
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: jone on July 19, 2018, 06:46:06 PM
Because I am typing on a forum and not filing an appellate brief. Would you like to pay me the 500 dollars an hour so that I can make sure my assistant makes sure my grammar is nice and tight for you?

More than happy to do that for you.

And as for your kids. Wonderful, you bred some english teachers. Keep up the good work! Can't wait to hear what the next batch does.

Hell, I live in LA and don't pay $500 an hour for a junior (or associate) attorney, fresh out of law school.  My observation was rhetorical and didn't require a response. It was not a challenge, or not meant to be.   My take is that anyone on this forum is here for entertainment purposes. 

I have always been an advocate of people hopping on a plane. Even if the date turns out to be a bust, the personal interaction and cultural education is worth the trip.

One observation that I have about meeting:  If you are going without a backup plan, then make the trip for a long weekend.  And the sooner, the better.  Get a cheap fare and hop on a plane and meet and be done with it.  If there is something there, then you should take things to the next level.  If not, then you only wasted a long weekend. 

As brother Bill, above, would say:  Udachi!

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 19, 2018, 07:03:52 PM
I have to admit I haven't read your trip report.. But more then any other man??


Here's one report. Some people couldn't handle it. All FSU women handled it fine.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.0
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: msmob on July 19, 2018, 09:16:14 PM
You guys are the kings of being experts on shit you know nothing about.

Funnily enough, we see guys like you asking for help then telling us "we don't know shit" once every couple of months ..

They either wise up or crash and burn

I refer not to your bank balance but your naivety re the status of your virtual relationship

You need to get out there 

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: rwd123 on July 19, 2018, 11:46:43 PM
Hater. Show yours. Probably more in my account than you make a year. Here goes the Bee Farmer making findings on income.  You guys are the kings of being experts on s**t you know nothing about.
You're so emotionally insecure that you post your bank statement on an internet forum to complete strangers, thank everyone who affirms your fantasy and attack anyone who doesn't. You definitely haven't been laid in ages, it may be that you're also a virgin? Got residual mommy issues too?

Being a smug Miami Vice lawyer isn't going to serve you well in Russia. You may need to learn humility the hard way.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Boethius on July 20, 2018, 12:15:23 AM
You don't know it's a fantasy.  That is your assumption.

Young people do discuss marriage, more so, probably, than do old farts.  It's more of a dream of their future (whether married or marriage free), having not been beaten up by life.  The OP never stated he is going to marry this girl.  It's just one thing they have discussed, as there is little use in meeting if she had stated "I have no interest in living in the US."  Women know their shelf life is limited, and most want security.  She probably wants to know she is not wasting her time. I suspect if they'd met in a traditional way, there would have been no discussion of marriage, but the way they met is a bit liberating in this regard.

I'd say the bank statement is not emotional insecurity, it's more of an "FU" to others.  But, OP, posting your bank statement wasn't wise.  You must learn to KNOW WHO YOU ARE.  I also don't think posters hate you.  People have different perspectives, and most here are much older than you, most with divorces behind them, so they come from things from a different angle, with more experiences in life, including highly negative ones.  Personally, I think people should make the mistakes they want to make.  If you marry, even if things don't work out, you will have learned something about yourself in the process.  Finally, you did come asking for advice, so you will receive what you agree with, and what you don't. So that's what you're receiving, albeit more personal than you asked for.  My own is advice is, listen to your instincts.  Every decision I made where my inner voice said "Don't do this." has been negative.  Where I listened to my inner voice, things have been good.

I'm pretty certain we don't know whether or not OP is a virgin, but given he's dated other women, probably not, and I am also positive we don't know if he has mommy issues.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BdHvA on July 20, 2018, 04:17:11 AM
You need to meet the girl and than get back to us.

As an observation reading a couple times the thread there is something out of kilter with our hero. Perhaps the alter ego of Trenchcoat or the foil of BillyB.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 20, 2018, 04:56:53 AM
You're so emotionally insecure that you post your bank statement on an internet forum to complete strangers, thank everyone who affirms your fantasy and attack anyone who doesn't. You definitely haven't been laid in ages, it may be that you're also a virgin? Got residual mommy issues too?

Being a smug Miami Vice lawyer isn't going to serve you well in Russia. You may need to learn humility the hard way.

Miami Vice was before I was born. Sit down old timer. You’re no longer relevant. Probably never were. You got nothing to substantiate your arguments.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 20, 2018, 05:05:49 AM
You don't know it's a fantasy.  That is your assumption.

Young people do discuss marriage more so, probably, than do old farts.  It's more of a dream of their future (whether married or marriage free), having not been beaten up by life.  The OP never stated he is going to marry this girl.  It's just one thing they have discussed, as there is little use in meeting if she had stated "I have no interest in living in the US."  Women know their shelf life is limited, and most want security.  She probably wants to know she is not wasting her time. I suspect if they'd met in a traditional way, there would have been no discussion of marriage, but the way they met is a bit liberating in this regard.

I'd say the bank statement is not emotional insecurity, it's more of an "FU" to others.  But, OP, posting your bank statement wasn't wise.  You must learn to KNOW WHO YOU ARE.  I also don't think posters hate you.  People have different perspectives, and most here are much older than you, most with divorces behind them, so they come from things from a different angle, with more experiences in life, including highly negative ones.  Personally, I think people should make the mistakes they want to make.  If you marry, even if things don't work out, you will have learned something about yourself in the process.  Finally, you did come asking for advice, so you will receive what you agree with, and what you don't. So that's what you're receiving, albeit more personal than you asked for.  My own is advice is, listen to your instincts.  Every decision I made where my inner voice said "Don't do this." has been negative.  Where I listened to my inner voice, things have been good.

I'm pretty certain we don't know whether or not OP is a virgin, but given he's dated other women, probably not, and I am also positive we don't know if he has mommy issues.

Thanks for the feedback. I agree with everything you said. Including the not so favorable things.

The bank account was not to show off. It was more to show these old guys that everything that they think is not a FACT. I could care less what they think about me. I’m gonna do whatever I want. As I’ve been doing all my life. With my poor grammar. Delusions of grandeur. Mommy issues. Inexperience. Virginity. Insecurities.


But you’re right, I did post and open myself up to it. So in that regard, I gotta take the valuable with the valueless.  To be honest, it’s been kinda fun getting them riled up. And it’s the internet. If this guy really knew my life the things I’ve experienced. He would probably not be taking these positions.  Do I  the need to get into it. No. It’s not verifiable and I can care less whether or not anyone believes it. But the bank account is an easy screen shot.  ;DI might add, I did not bring economic status into this.  But don’t state something as a fact that you cannot substantiate.

Next I’ll post a video of me banging a chick for him. Although that will probably get me banned. That’s probably what he secretly wants to see. Old weirdo.

Haha. All jokes.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Bee Farmer on July 20, 2018, 05:15:19 AM
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Hater. Show yours. Probably more in my account than you make a year. Here goes the Bee Farmer making findings on income.  You guys are the kings of being experts on s**t you know nothing about.

I can tell you that I have never had a checking account statement covering 2.5 weeks, from May 23 to June 10.  My bank statements cover a full month.

I can tell you that I have never had a bank statement that began on June 10, 2018 and ended on April 10, 2018.

I can also tell you that if my deposits were only $129.06 higher than my expenses over a 2.5 week period, I would NOT be looking for a FSU woman.  $50 a week is not enough to support a FSU wife, no matter what Trenchcoat says.

I can also tell you that if I had a checking account where I only spent 3% of the balance every month, I would be moving the bulk of the excess cash to somewhere else where I would earn a higher interest rate.  Interest on checking accounts is under 1% and doesn't even keep up with inflation.  Personally, I keep enough in checking to cover my expenses with a little extra cushion.  I have no doubt others here have checking accounts with higher balances than I, and I have no doubt their expenses are higher than mine.

If you are this eager and insecure to show a purported bank statement to strangers on the internet, it does beg the question if leading with your wallet is the approach you used to get this girl to talk to you.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 20, 2018, 05:23:36 AM
I can tell you that I have never had a checking account statement covering 2.5 weeks, from May 23 to June 10.  My bank statements cover a full month.

I can tell you that I have never had a bank statement that began on June 10, 2018 and ended on April 10, 2018.

I can also tell you that if my deposits were only $129.06 higher than my expenses over a 2.5 week period, I would NOT be looking for a FSU woman.  $50 a week is not enough to support a FSU wife, no matter what Trenchcoat says.

I can also tell you that if I had a checking account where I only spent 3% of the balance every month, I would be moving the bulk of the excess cash to somewhere else where I would earn a higher interest rate.  Interest on checking accounts is under 1% and doesn't even keep up with inflation.  Personally, I keep enough in checking to cover my expenses with a little extra cushion.  I have no doubt others here have checking accounts with higher balances than I, and I have no doubt their expenses are higher than mine.

If you are this eager and insecure to show a purported bank statement to strangers on the internet, it does beg the question if leading with your wallet is the approach you used to get this girl to talk to you.

One account Bee Farmer. 🐝   

And it’s brand new.

Justify it how you want. Now we have forensic accountants on the forum also.

Please accept that you’re a loser.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Gb1015 on July 20, 2018, 05:34:49 AM
I’m out guys. It’s been fun.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: 2tallbill on July 20, 2018, 08:36:44 AM
You need to meet the girl and than get back to us.

But HAVE A BACKUP PLAN!
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Boethius on July 20, 2018, 08:42:57 AM
Does he?


Unlike the majority of the posters here, he is not actively seeking a wife (granted, an assumption on my part).  He is going to meet a particular woman that he contacted on a dating app.  So, if it doesn't work, I get the impression he is not particularly invested in Russia. 


If things don't work, he can just spend the time as a tourist, perhaps change his visa so that he can visit St. Petersburg.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: GenMish on July 20, 2018, 10:16:14 AM
Im sorry the thread took the turn it did.

I just wanted to add some advice for men in a similar financial situation as the OP. The OP is an attorney, so he probably already knows. For others that have lots of assets before marriage, DO NOT comingle them with any joint accounts you will have after you marry.

If you have lots of real estate, establish a trust for ownership
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Trenchcoat on July 20, 2018, 12:01:32 PM
In Venzla you don’t go out at night.

I don’t know about you guys but when a women starts to suggest where to meet. I consider it a red flag. Pretty much anywhere. But definitely in a foreign country. I just won’t meet if they start to get to pushy on a location. I set it up. Let them know the day of. Also, you can tell a sketchy girl who wants to scam you from a normal one in person. You have to trust instincts. If something smells bad it probably is. The difference between that and what this guy is doing is. He is generalizing. And using context clues that simply do not gaurentee what he is trying to gaurentee.

Now if the girl started to ask me for money for her phone bill. Or started to disappear for a day without messaging me. Or started pressuring me to book at a certain place. Those are legitimate signs of a scammer.

I would have nothing against him. But to say. A 20 year old and tinder and speaks Russian is an automatic scam. Is ridiculous.

So let’s flip it. If I met a 20 year old on tinder in miami who speaks Spanish. Or even if I met one in another state. Who wants to mee who is attractive. Does that make her an automatic scammer?? 

Scammers scam. And try to make an easy buck. This girl spends hours talking to me on Skype. When we don’t Skype she is constantly texting me.

Has never asked me for one dollar. This has gone on for months.

I mean it sounds like a lot a lot of time invested just for a scam.

But again. It may well be the best scammer ever. Therefore, I am not gonna let my guard down. But I’m not gonna automatically assume the worse when I disageee that tinder and 20 means automatic scam. And the fact that she speaks Russian.  News flash. She lives in Russia. What did you expect her to speak? Mandarin?

Yeah I'm kind of not sure you can make a statement of having gone to Venezuela as a sort of 'I can handle myself' if you stayed in relative safety during day & night as evidence of being able to handle the FSU. Granted there is the Darwinist notion of not doing something dim and acting with common sense, awareness of the environment around you to not falling foul in life.

I would suggest though that the FSU acts in a different way, they have a different thought process to Venezuelans no doubt. A lot of scams are not direct confrontations or acts of aggression. It's more a lot of acting and passive carry on for the most part. There are of course those that go further as has been illustrated. A lot of Ukrainians for example are a load of pussies they are not hard core South American gang types, they know that a bad fight can see them in a sh*tty state rum hospital in Ukraine - it could be the beginning of the end for them, they have other concerns. So they will often just try to blag or trick for the bit of extra money.

I think the main thing Rwd is trying to get at here is not that you can't handle problems but you don't know the FSU scene, yet. It doesn't work like western society works exactly so it's not as easy to detect until you've had a bit of a taste of it.

I think so long as you stick to what you  say here you will be ok. Book you own accommodation, you decide where to go and take precautions, don't allow yourself to be led astray. Problem is that some of these women look at foreigners the same so you want to be careful your another one a lady sees as 'the next foreign guy up to be duped'.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Boethius on July 20, 2018, 01:47:06 PM
And once again, Trench reveals his know-nothing status. 
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: JayH on July 20, 2018, 02:08:40 PM
And once again, Trench reveals his know-nothing status.

 :ROFL: :cluebat:

One wonders how many times he can keep doing that ! :wallbash:
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Nightwish on July 20, 2018, 02:55:31 PM
Yeah I'm kind of not sure you can make a statement of having gone to Venezuela as a sort of 'I can handle myself' if you stayed in relative safety during day & night as evidence of being able to handle the FSU. Granted there is the Darwinist notion of not doing something dim and acting with common sense, awareness of the environment around you to not falling foul in life.

I would suggest though that the FSU acts in a different way, they have a different thought process to Venezuelans no doubt. A lot of scams are not direct confrontations or acts of aggression. It's more a lot of acting and passive carry on for the most part. There are of course those that go further as has been illustrated. A lot of Ukrainians for example are a load of pussies they are not hard core South American gang types, they know that a bad fight can see them in a sh*tty state rum hospital in Ukraine - it could be the beginning of the end for them, they have other concerns. So they will often just try to blag or trick for the bit of extra money.

I think the main thing Rwd is trying to get at here is not that you can't handle problems but you don't know the FSU scene, yet. It doesn't work like western society works exactly so it's not as easy to detect until you've had a bit of a taste of it.

I think so long as you stick to what you  say here you will be ok. Book you own accommodation, you decide where to go and take precautions, don't allow yourself to be led astray. Problem is that some of these women look at foreigners the same so you want to be careful your another one a lady sees as 'the next foreign guy up to be duped'.

(http://www.themarysue.com/wp-content/uploads/2016/05/What-Excuse-me-Say-what-GIF.gif)

There is so little here that is true in this mass of bla.bla.bla from mister IknowNothing - please start over and this time only write about something you know (so a simple -> ... <- from you will suffice)

If I hadn't already read so much utter bs from you already I would call this a new low.. but it is impossible for you to know and understand less than you already do...
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: rwd123 on July 20, 2018, 04:17:22 PM
Miami Vice was before I was born. Sit down old timer. You’re no longer relevant. Probably never were. You got nothing to substantiate your arguments.
LOL. I've got good news and bad news for you.

The bad news is you failed my shit test. Under a simulated low stress event you exposed some warning signs.
- You have been dishonest to the girl and to yourself.
- You lacked emotional self-control.
- You said negativity is a sign of immaturity, yet you were very negative and personally attacked those with opposing views.
- You fell back to relying on economic status to prove your worth.
- You displayed some weird Trenchcoat-like thinking, maybe because you're over analytical; not asperger's-like but socially awkward.
- That's on top of having no language skills or comprehension of Russian culture.

You are no doubt a smart, self-driven guy with above average IQ and analytical skills. But inter-cultural relationships require a completely different set of competencies. Be honest with yourself, you suck with women. I've worked with MBAs who think they're shit hot, but in fact awful managers. There's an art and craft to management, same with relationships. You only get that through experience. You suffer from the Dunning-Kruger effect. Be humble to your ignorance and incompetence, and be honest to yourself and to the girl. If you woo her by promising a particular lifestyle, then she'll fall in love with the lifestyle and not necessarily you. Very risky.

The good news is this the internet and not real life.

Get on a plane. Regardless of how this pantomime plays out your won't learn a thing sitting in Miami. I wish you the best with your pursuits.

Footnote: WTF is Trenchcoat talking about?

Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: msmob on July 20, 2018, 10:04:01 PM

Footnote: WTF is Trenchcoat talking about?

 :D :wallbash:

Quite
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: BillyB on July 20, 2018, 10:17:35 PM
I just wanted to add some advice for men in a similar financial situation as the OP. The OP is an attorney, so he probably already knows. For others that have lots of assets before marriage, DO NOT comingle them with any joint accounts you will have after you marry.

If you have lots of real estate, establish a trust for ownership

Bad idea. It's hard for a woman to develop love for a husband if he continues to live as he's single. But what if love develops and husband and wife want to be together forever yet keep assets and accounts separate? When the government contacts them to apply for the permanent green card and interview, they may be in for a big surprise. Because there is little evidence that they are living as a married couple, the interviewer may not believe they are in a legitimate marriage. American men who brings a woman over here, get her name on utility bills, your automobiles, bank and credit card accounts if you want to keep her.
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: Boethius on July 21, 2018, 09:21:03 AM
I would suggest though that the FSU acts in a different way, they have a different thought process to Venezuelans no doubt. A lot of scams are not direct confrontations or acts of aggression. It's more a lot of acting and passive carry on for the most part. There are of course those that go further as has been illustrated. A lot of Ukrainians for example are a load of pussies they are not hard core South American gang types, they know that a bad fight can see them in a sh*tty state rum hospital in Ukraine - it could be the beginning of the end for them, they have other concerns. So they will often just try to blag or trick for the bit of extra money.


No Ukrainian is going to go to jail, where he will be at the bottom of the prison hierarchy, for robbing a foreigner of $100 or $1000.  Plus, robbing a foreigner carries a higher sentence than robbing a local.


A number of years ago, an oligarch in Donetsk was attending a football match.  He was a target.  Someone wanted to get rid of him. So they blew him up in his stadium seat at the match.  The 12 or so innocents he killed were just collateral damage.  So yeah, Ukrainian criminals are real pussies. :rolleyes:
Title: Re: Tinder - Am I crazy?
Post by: GenMish on July 21, 2018, 10:54:28 AM
Bad idea. It's hard for a woman to develop love for a husband if he continues to live as he's single. But what if love develops and husband and wife want to be together forever yet keep assets and accounts separate? When the government contacts them to apply for the permanent green card and interview, they may be in for a big surprise. Because there is little evidence that they are living as a married couple, the interviewer may not believe they are in a legitimate marriage. American men who brings a woman over here, get her name on utility bills, your automobiles, bank and credit card accounts if you want to keep her.


Billy,
You might be OK getting zero in a divorce settlement, but most people arent. US divorce laws are generally pretty fair. And the law in most states allow a man or woman to keep assets they obtained BEFORE the marriage, as long as it is not comingled. You see, I am 20+ years ahead of you, and had a great marriage with a FSU lady until the last few years when it went south(mainly my fault). Anybodys marriage can go south. However, we both will have comfortable retirements, because we obtained a lot of assets during those years.

imo- A quality FSU lady wants a smart man to take care of her and future children, not an idiot that would sign away everything he owned to someone he knew for a short period of time