More Bad News for Russia

[AkMike]

It's looking more and more like Russia won't be going to Rio for the Olympics because of drugging. 

 WADA, World Anti-Doping Agency, was made aware of Russian doping since 2010! But until 2015 they didn't have the authority to investigate the charges.

http://www.themoscowtimes.com/article/571264.html

[JayH]

Russian President Vladimir Putin's regime has not yet collapsed is only because in politics there are no serious forces able to confront Putin.

"regime is dead": , who can "remove" Putin

"Representatives of the protest groups can go into the Duma. It is clear that some Liberals in the parliament will not change anything, but they will become subjects of public policy. It is important to crystallize the democratic opposition. In the future it can play a role in the split of the ruling elite. Power in Russia in the elections does not change, but elections can contribute to this process. Moreover, the situation in Russia - in the process of change ", - the journalist said.

http://obozrevatel.com/abroad/74926-ego-rezhim-mertv-rossijskij-zhurnalist-rasskazal-kto-mozhet-ubrat-putina.ht

[msmobyone]

JayH

When where you last IN Russia ?

It's just that your posts don't reflect the attitude / scenario I detected.

[AkMike]

Does it matter Moby?

It's news about Russia.   As in "More Bad News for Russia"   

[msmobyone]

Does it matter Moby?

It's news about Russia.   As in "More Bad News for Russia"   

It 'matters' as it is only 'bad news' if the population feel it

[Boethius]

Does it matter Moby?

It's news about Russia.   As in "More Bad News for Russia"   

Too funny, as you asked me the exact same question when I pointed out my skepticism about the Ukrainian economy, Ukrainian politicians, the honesty of Ukrainian police . . . 

[AkMike]

Correct Moby,  except this is for the interwebs population, not merely Russia. Is there a possibility that you're looking thru rose colored glasses and not seeing enough?


 Boe, Ironic huh?

[msmobyone]

Correct Moby,  except this is for the interwebs population, not merely Russia. Is there a possibility that you're looking thru rose colored glasses and not seeing enough?

XaXa,



AkMike , This thread is about Russia and what is 'bad news' .... I'm just pointing  out that a lot of the 'bad news' is more some folks wishful thinking, rather than apparent to 'man in the street', in Russia

'Irony' is being labelled a 'Russophobe' in one place  - if my posts / profile aren't edited / deleted, former Soviet style - and it being suggested - when I simply point out what I see, on here  - that I might be suffering from 'Stockholm Syndrome'   

[JayH]

JayH

When where you last IN Russia ?

It's just that your posts don't reflect the attitude / scenario I detected.

You can bet money that I was there a lot more recently than you were in Ukraine!
The fact is I avoid going there now if I possibly can.

Your detection? What down at the beach in Sochi?On a chartered yacht? Yeah--you will have your finger right on the pulse!

I prefer to listen to Mende for intelligent assessment of today;s Russia-- and the many reports we can read-- some of which I post!

It 'matters' as it is only 'bad news' if the population feel it

Nonsense-- it has been repeatedly documented that the truth is being kept from most Russians.By the time they wake up as a whole--chances are it will after the really bad news!!

[AkMike]

Your Stockholm Syndrome has already been talked about Moby..     

I find it interesting that the men who've married Russians,(for the most part) seem to support the invasion of Ukraine and the Kremlin's roughshod treatment of many including their own citizens. Others that have married Ukrainians seem to have a view that Russia is the invader and at fault. A more western view as it were. (Supported by the vast majority of the world as shown by UN votes against Russia.)

[JayH]

Your Stockholm Syndrome has already been talked about Moby..     

I find it interesting that the men who've married Russians,(for the most part) seem to support the invasion of Ukraine and the Kremlin's roughshod treatment of many including their own citizens. Others that have married Ukrainians seem to have a view that Russia is the invader and at fault. A more western view as it were. (Supported by the vast majority of the world as shown by UN votes against Russia.)

Supported by the bleeding blind obvious facts !! 
Only those with the heads up their a...s  would conclude differently.


ps Mike--"men who have married Russians"-- I do not agree with that.Certainly some fit that category-- but to their credit some (many) have kept their ability to think and see Russia.s behaviour for what it is.

[Boethius]

I find it interesting that the men who've married Russians,(for the most part) seem to support the invasion of Ukraine and the Kremlin's roughshod treatment of many including their own citizens. Others that have married Ukrainians seem to have a view that Russia is the invader and at fault. A more western view as it were. (Supported by the vast majority of the world as shown by UN votes against Russia.)

That is inaccurate.  The posters here married to Russians are Mendy, Изумруд (both of whom either live or lived in Russia), Faux Pas, Gator, BC, and Turboguy.  I'm mostly likely missing someone.  Not one of them has expressed support for the Russian regime.

The men married to Ukrainians often are not balanced in their perspectives of Ukraine, IMHO.  I say this as someone who is ethnically Ukrainian, speaks Ukrainian, and could find it on a map when most of you did not know the difference between a Russian and a Ukrainian.

I don't think moby's comments are particularly "pro Russian".  He is merely noting the attitudes on the ground.

[jone]

Seems to me you left out Natural (who married a gal from Krim) and Tiger Paws (whose wife, prior to their marriage, callled Moscow home, even though she was originally from Uzbekistan (or one of the Stan countries) but is a Russian national.

Of course neither of these guys have leanings towards the Russian regime.  They are solidly here on behalf of Ukraine.

[JayH]

That is inaccurate.  The posters here married to Russians are Mendy, Изумруд (both of whom either live or lived in Russia), Faux Pas, Gator, BC, and Turboguy.  I'm mostly likely missing someone.  Not one of them has expressed support for the Russian regime.

Wrong--it is an insult to the others to include BC in that list.

[JayH]

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I agree--being married to a Ukrainian is no guarantee of knowing anything!!

[Boethius]

Seems to me you left out Natural (who married a gal from Krim) and Tiger Paws (whose wife, prior to their marriage, callled Moscow home, even though she was originally from Uzbekistan (or one of the Stan countries) but is a Russian national.

Of course neither of these guys have leanings towards the Russian regime.  They are solidly here on behalf of Ukraine.

I excluded Natural because his wife was from Ukraine.


I forgot about TP, and I noted, I had probably forgotten about some posters.

[JayH]

I excluded Natural because his wife was from Ukraine.


I forgot about TP, and I noted, I had probably forgotten about some posters.

Jone was tongue in cheek--those guys are fascist believers in all of Putins stupidity

[Boethius]

I agree--being married to a Ukrainian is no guarantee of knowing anything!!

Are you suggesting I was wrong in my assessment of the current regime?  Sorry but nope, I was not, and the current situation in Ukraine proves it.  Same criminal activity.  Only the players have changed.


I know Ukrainians.  I can speak to them, in their own language.  I know what they say when they are unguarded.  And I've lived among the current leadership.  I know their mentality, something which is foreign to most Westerners.  That is why I am not as rosy about the future as are you.  It will take a seismic shift in who is running the country (by that I mean the Rada) for real change to occur.

[Boethius]

Jone was tongue in cheek--those guys are fascist believers in all of Putins stupidity

I know.  But I specifically excluded Natural, who yes, does seem to support a fascist regime, as his wife is ethnically Russian, but was not a Russian citizen, AFAIK.

I just forgot about TP - sorry about that.


PS - I do think BC is balanced, though he hasn't discussed Ukraine much.

[JayH]

Are you suggesting I was wrong in my assessment

I was agreeing with you !I expanded slightly on who was included!!

]The men married to Ukrainians often are not balanced in their perspectives of Ukraine, IMHO. ]

[Boethius]

OK.  I apologize.  I'm extra feisty tonight from clearing spruce needles, and some are still embedded in my hands.

[JayH]

OK.  I apologize.  I'm extra feisty tonight from clearing spruce needles, and some are still embedded in my hands.

Yeah- but who would notice !!
Sounds painfull-hope it is all ok !

[Boethius]

So you have problems with women who have opinions.  Got it. 

You are indeed a supporter of a fascist regime, and seem to be proud of that fact.

It is beyond my comprehension how anyone can not only support, but admire a regime comprised of former KGB agents, with the blood of millions on their hands.

[The Natural]

So you have problems with women who have opinions.  Got it. 

You are indeed a supporter of a fascist regime, and seem to be proud of that fact.

It is beyond my comprehension how anyone can not only support, but admire a regime comprised of former KGB agents, with the blood of millions on their hands.

I don't have problems with women who have opinions, but as always, when you disagree you spin what I say to suit your own views.

[BC]

Wrong--it is an insult to the others to include BC in that list.

awww so sweet of you to mention me.

Yes, I don't agree with your 'schadensfreude' posts.
Yes, I believe one should contribute and not just distribute.
Yes, I look at both sides of the coin and don't just blame the other.
Yes, I'll call you out when you post unbalanced nonsense.

The only thing I am 'pro' about is reality and learning the truth behind what happens in this world.  The only thing I am against is an attitude that only blames someone else when the root cause of all that ails lies within.

Instead of bitchin' n moanin' UA should write off Crimea and Donetsk and expend all it's efforts and resources instead towards turning UA around politically and economically. Until that is done UA will be preyed upon, overtly by both east and discretely by the west and China.  It's obvious that neither a civil or world war is going to quick fix the issues at hand; aside from the fact there is neither support nor resolve for doing what it takes to get RU to relinquish their influence in disputed areas.

so.. what's wrong with that?

<-- passes the cheese to go with your whine.