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Is This Guy For Real?
« on: December 18, 2013, 06:52:22 PM »
Is this guy here? Is he for real? His stories have a particular relevance to forum mob searchers . :popcorn:

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I actually met this lady on HRB last summer after the Okean Elzy concert in CHerkassy. the circumstance was that I met this nice red headed accountant on the bus going into Kiev, and we sort of hit it off, but she never totally made herself available for me, but we each had tickets to the same concert when we had met, so we met up. I had this guy friend I met at the after hours club who is a translator, and we met up with the red head at the concert with her friends, bu they sort of ditched us in the crowd after the concert. We had a huge, but eventually succesful hunt for a free taxi, and went to a late hours club in the RIver with a GIant statue of Lenin in Camouflage at the entrance

there was a coterie of pretty blonds at this club, a whole table of three over there without a guy, and then there was this table over here. THis olga/ HOTOLYA was with some guy, he was pretty drunk, Russian, they joined to our table briefly. the Guy HOTOLYA was with became obstreperous, bordering on rude, boasting he worked for GAZPROM. And my CHerkassy friend he said, excuse me, this is my country and you don’t need to be rude here, so we had some drinks and I ended up paying ten or twelve dollars on some drinks they shared with us. SHe keeps writing me, yet it is all a facade, and I wouldn’t think about her as the lady to take home to the family in California, though she is really hot) I think if you went to meet her, that she would sleep with you, but they’d rip you off for the privelege. In essence you have to submit to being ripped off to get past square one with a lot of these ladies

I  think she really does have a nice sex drive )) she wrote me today:
I just cant tell you that… it would be just foolish to keep it inside of my head.
I want you have me everyday of a week, 5 times a day… mmmmmmm…
When i imagine you, i start getting wet very quickly, every thought about you turn me on, get me high!!!
I start getting crazy… the one thing, i imediatelly going to the bathroom to change my underwear, coz its all wet. wish you could see that.
You see hot you influence me even on the distance???
Can you imagine what can happen when you will be close to me???
Yes and dont forget to buy a big pack of trousers or thongs. I will need that)
Dont think that im crazy or out of my mind… i just like you a lot and i want to please you.
Wish to see you in chat today at 11 pm on my time. Can you come??? with trousers for me :)
Olga
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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Is This Guy For Real?
« Reply #1 on: December 18, 2013, 07:30:32 PM »

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Subject:   Jay, SEING YOU AS MY SOUL-MATE!!!!!
 
Hello,Jay
I want to tell you, cant keep such things in myself because its hard.
Im seeing you as my soul-mate!
When i saw your profile i felt like i knew you already for a long time.
Incredible is it????
I cant hide it in my heart so i decided to tell you, to share with you.
I hope that im not wrong.
Have you ever felt smth like that before???
What do you feel about me???
Wish to talk to you on chat. can we do that???
I would be online at 11 pm on my time today.
Would be the happiest woman in this world if you would come.
Want to hear from you.
Impetiently waiting for that moment. Hope you wouldnt ignore me.
I need this. Hope we both. hope you too.
Thinking of you.
Olga
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SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Is This Guy For Real?
« Reply #2 on: December 18, 2013, 07:32:51 PM »
   
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Subject:   Jay, SEX ON YOUR OPINION?????????
 
Hi,Jay
Sex on your opinion??????
What is sex to you, can you explain, if you dont mind??
Do you you like to experiment??
Role-games???
One man wrote me a message that he is looking for a sex-partner...
Not a woman to build serious relationships with...
This thing had offended me a lot... ((
On my opinion sex is very important in building relationships.
Both parts should be satisfied enough. should have everything they desire.
Should make their hidden fantasies come true.
Sex make us happy.and i think sex is one of the main factors of strong and healthy relatinship.
Am i right on your opinion????
I forgot the last time i had it ((( Miss it so badly.
What about you????
Impetiently waiting to hear from you.
Olga
« Last Edit: December 18, 2013, 07:37:46 PM by JayH »
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Is This Guy For Real?
« Reply #3 on: December 18, 2013, 07:50:57 PM »
The previous 2 posts were sent to Jay and are reproduced mostly as sent--  the first post and details relate to the guy in the link--Julian. The Olya/Olga is the same in each case.( before anyone asks!!)
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Re: Is This Guy For Real?
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2013, 04:09:59 AM »
I think it's safe to assume local agency letter writers are doing the communicating for this woman.

A common scenario on PPL sites like HRB/RLM.

That's the biggest problem with those kind of sites..you never really know who you're communicating with ,by letters or on chat..there is so much smoke and mirrors involved.

Jay,i bet you're mortified to find out she's been dating a Russian guy..and Russian guys don't do platonic.Who would have thought that eh..the poor thing being so lonely and all ? :rolleyes:
« Last Edit: December 19, 2013, 04:18:41 AM by Chelseaboy »
Just saying it like it is.

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Re: Is This Guy For Real?
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2013, 03:23:08 PM »

Jay,i bet you're mortified to find out she's been dating a Russian guy..and Russian guys don't do platonic.Who would have thought that eh..the poor thing being so lonely and all ? :rolleyes:

Yeah  CB--I was shocked to read that she was writing to and dating others!!!Following his blog is quite interesting---many familiar faces amongst the cast.
We see so many newbie posters come to the forum and ask--"what about this site/agency"etc------- as I keep saying--basically the intent of ALL the sites/agencies  is much the same -- problem is we have people on forums who seek to rationalise and blame the punters.
In the blog he seems to get it at times -but has succeeded in meeting many .I can cross-confirm some of the details and girls he writes about-- so quite interesting !!!
He has used some of the notorious sites to make his contacts. :)
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Is This Guy For Real?
« Reply #6 on: December 20, 2013, 06:49:29 AM »
Yes Jay,

           We both know who the particular poster, primarily on the other forum, is who attempts to justify the dubious business practises of  PPL sites and their local affiliates, and blames the paying punters instead.

Having only been to Kiev myself,it's interesting to read about the blogger just bumping into these agency girls in the other cities in Ukraine..i couldn't imagine that happening in the larger UK cities.

Although I never communicated with any of the girls,apart from reading letters from "them" I never replied to, on his blog,there's certainly some familiar faces among them.

Regarding the agency girl who's the "property" of the local  big-shot,who may be the guy who does business using a baseball bat,i wonder how many of the other agency girls are in the same scenario as her...guys who go to meet these agency girls need to beware.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2013, 06:55:19 AM by Chelseaboy »
Just saying it like it is.

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« Reply #7 on: December 20, 2013, 06:45:47 PM »
CB  it does raise and illustrate a lot of issues. In the past you have been critical of me( and others)  that have sought to rationalise the girls part in the industry-- I am strongly of the opinion that they are equally exploited and that the "blame" should not be with the girls.Girls are as much victims as the guys who are exploited.EG-- if a girl is genuine ( and yes--there are genuine girls -even amongst those who are getting paid- amongst pro-daters etc)
The examples you mentioned is only part of it -- there are many horror stories from girls perspective.
On location issues-- it is very common to mistate location-it may be as simple as that is where agency affiliation is  eg-- in bigger city --or it may be quite deliberate to prevent guys tracking girls down. Last year-- a girl was murdered by a Mexican guy in Zaporozhye-- story well known amongst girls and it is a reason to respect some aspects when contact is made.
Kiev is a tough gig for a guy.Like Moscow-- these are now quite sophisticated cities and girls will have local choices and aspirations-- so harder to make the right contacts. That is not to say that smaller cities have backwards farm girls begging to be "saved"--that is simply a myth- at least now it is.
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #8 on: December 20, 2013, 09:53:51 PM »
I borrowed this post from "Starting Out" thread-relevant to my comments in post above to CB



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New seekers will often chafe when more experienced guys caution using advice like "don't fall in love with a photo," for example.

Photos are easy to fake when the new guy is using a pay-per-letter service. He has no idea if the girl is real and worse, he has no idea if the girl in the photos is really the girl to whom he is writing. All he knows is that a new photo, often more sexy that the one before, seems to magically appear with each letter.

One of the most common tricks of the pay-per-letter sites is to purchase photos from studios. Imagine this scenario: a hot young girl is walking near the Metro and sees a poster advertising free photo sessions. The deal seems fairly simple--she poses and receives a free portfolio, or sometime she pays a small fee for it. The photo agency gives her a copy of the photos and she signs an innocent looking "representation" agreement in which the agency promises to distribute her photos in the hopes of landing modeling opportunities for her. She likes that idea, who wouldn't? So she signs.

There are many reputable agencies that will indeed shop her portfolio to various advertising agencies but some of the smaller agencies are fronts for porn operations and are looking for new stars, not to mention looking to make a quick buck on photos taken from various girls.

So, the photos are sold and sometimes to marriage agencies, many being the pay-per-letter type.

A profile is created, the girl is given a fake name and before long guys across the pond are falling in love and writing their hearts out, paying letter by letter.

In many cases the girl in the photo has no idea that she has a profile. She often has no idea that she has a fake name and that her photos are used to write letters. Were she to meet the guys who write to her, in many cases she'd have no idea who they are.

The marriage agency has purchased anywhere from 20-50  of these photos, including outtakes, so it is very easy to include a new photo with every letter. Affiliates of the marriage agency pay the parent agency to use the profiles so everyone is making money--except for the girl in many cases.

So how does something that could possibly be similar to what I've described work in real life? Watch carefully the poses of the very attractive girl. She is asked to pose from innocent to very sexy, from formal to informal, and even holding a teddy bear as if it was a treasured gift from someone special.

 





In no way am I accusing this photo studio, Real Russia, the photographers or model Yana as contributing to dating scams. But I think that upon watching you'll see how easy similar photos can be made, obtained and misused.

Remember, don't fall in love with a photo.

The antidote is a modern invention known as Skype. Skype is your friend.

End of Mende post
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #9 on: December 20, 2013, 09:54:58 PM »
  Also Borrowed from "Starting" Out thread .[/b]

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The photographers are very active in recruiting girls. This point needs to be understood by people who condemn the  girls themselves prematurely as being complicit in "the" scam and must be complicit ;Photographers sign girls up-- some actually do go to websites and participate in "chat" and actual contact including real life. Now-- some photos either get onsold-or placed by 3rd party( maybe photographer) -- 3rd party gets paid--that passes thru system to the girl . So yes-- she is getting paid -but may have no idea whatsoever the type of site that generated that payment to her.Chances are she believes she is on the way to a modelling career and has someone paving the way for her.
Mende mentions so of the very serious potential hazards girls can face-- that is very, very real and dangerous aspect.
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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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Re: Is This Guy For Real?
« Reply #10 on: December 31, 2013, 09:39:22 AM »
Why wouldn't he be for real?
I skimmed through his blog for maybe 20 minutes.
In my opinion it would be difficult to come up with these stories if they weren't close to the truth.
About the sexy writing in the first part, I have had some similar conversations in chatting with single mothers in their late thirties.
So nothing far out of the ordinary there.

Since I haven't really read much in this forum at all, I don't know other's opinions about this subject.
But, from all my writing, Skype, chat and meetings this year, (and from what I remember from 14 years ago)
FSU women in general, are far more open and direct when talking about sex, than any woman I ever met here at home.
I find it rather refreshing, compared to what I was used to, earlier in my life.

About agencies,,
A woman I have been communicating with for a long time, is translating letters as a part time job in the evenings.
For several agencies that are somehow connected with each other.
In her words:
Almost half of the women have a husband or boyfriend, that are mostly aware that they are with an agency for earning a little extra.
Funny thing is, most of these women would gladly leave their man, for the right man, (if he can offer an affluent lifestyle).
Most, or close to all photos, are with heavy makeup before shooting and then refined in Photoshop.
As a translator she is supposed to "help the conversation" but not to write letters herself. (Whatever that means)
Most of the women are looking at it as an additional source of income,
but leave the door open in case the man of their dreams come knocking.


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« Reply #11 on: December 31, 2013, 09:47:56 AM »
I would like to know what is the use of discussing people who are not present here, other than trying to promote their blog.
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« Reply #12 on: December 31, 2013, 10:05:56 AM »
It is one of many windows into a world unknown for many of those who come here,,, maybe?
And might be relevant for someone having the time to read, maybe?
Not that I found it very interesting, but still relevant for this forum in my opinion.

Looking at the amount of readers of this thread divided on postings,,,,
Maybe that guy got an additional 30 readers of his blog,, not a big deal in my opinion.... smile

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« Reply #13 on: December 31, 2013, 11:58:30 AM »
Jay,

         We'll have to agree to disagree on the agency girls part in the local agency scams..because I'd say the majority of them are complicit in the scam..and happily so.

When I travel to meet a girl from Mariupol in Kiev,who two months after my return home asks me for USD 300 while at the same time she's having sex with another guy from Canada in Kiev,and has been scamming USD 20,000 out of him over a two year period....well yeah the girls are complicit in these scams.

When I find another girl from Simferopol I've been chatting on webcam with is in fact married,with the link to his Facebook profile found via her VK profile,and then she sits there and denies it even when I give her his name, occupation and how many kids they have....well yeah the girls are complicit in these scams.


When another girl from Kremenchuk I've been chatting on webcam with is telling me how wonderful I am and can't wait to meet me,but before I book the flight I find her well-hidden profile on Vk..that gives her marital status as Engaged,and photos of her "at work" with her and another girl sitting in front of a pc each,when she's been telling me she's a hairdresser..well yeah the girls are complicit in the scams.

I could spend all night on here telling you plenty more horror stories about my personal experiences with Ukrainian agency girls..but hey if you wish to put these women on a pedestal..that's your prerogative.

Happy  New Year to you and all the other posters on this forum..and all your families. :)
« Last Edit: December 31, 2013, 12:05:12 PM by Chelseaboy »
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« Reply #14 on: December 31, 2013, 02:13:35 PM »
It is one of many windows into a world unknown for many of those who come here,,, maybe?
And might be relevant for someone having the time to read, maybe?
Not that I found it very interesting, but still relevant for this forum in my opinion.

Looking at the amount of readers of this thread divided on postings,,,,
Maybe that guy got an additional 30 readers of his blog,, not a big deal in my opinion.... smile
The thing is that neither the guy who writes the blog nor the girls mentioned are able to defend themselves. Of course for babushka's that is like heaven.... ;)
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« Reply #15 on: December 31, 2013, 03:35:27 PM »
The thing is that neither the guy who writes the blog nor the girls mentioned are able to defend themselves. Of course for babushka's that is like heaven.... ;)

You miss a bit don't you?
The thread title is clearly not understood by you-.
As I said earlier-- many guys who read the forum know- or know of-some of the same girls this guy has met. Reality is that they are all over the internet -- so why this prissy attitude--it is not needed.No one is attacking them--simply telling a story .
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 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #16 on: December 31, 2013, 03:39:54 PM »
Why wouldn't he be for real?


NK--  it is like saying-- "can he keep being so dumb" " or" nieve" is probably a better word. It is not saying he is not a real person or he is not telling the truth as he sees it .
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« Reply #17 on: December 31, 2013, 04:53:28 PM »
You miss a bit don't you?
The thread title is clearly not understood by you-.
As I said earlier-- many guys who read the forum know- or know of-some of the same girls this guy has met. Reality is that they are all over the internet -- so why this prissy attitude--it is not needed.No one is attacking them--simply telling a story .
So what if they know them. If any guy shows up here telling he know them it is time to discuss. Sitting as grannies gossiping over someone who has done something somewhere doe not appeal to me, but to each his own.
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« Reply #18 on: December 31, 2013, 05:47:01 PM »
Humourless as well. As casting aspertions based on nationality is now an out on the forum I will not even try and connect that aspect of your posts to well known traits attributed to some nationalities--but it is funny how it comes out!!
To connect the dots -- the point of putting the mob in the spotlight is to keep puting the realities of it frontline of internet searchers-- and of course to assist those that come to the forum
The simple fact is that even those on forums have been by and large ignorant of the actual practices of the mob and many of them are in or have been in denial. So if it has no interest to you-- don't read it.
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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #19 on: December 31, 2013, 06:05:46 PM »
Jay,

         We'll have to agree to disagree on the agency girls part in the local agency scams..because I'd say the majority of them are complicit in the scam..and happily so.

I could spend all night on here telling you plenty more horror stories about my personal experiences with Ukrainian agency girls..but hey if you wish to put these women on a pedestal..that's your prerogative.

Happy  New Year to you and all the other posters on this forum..and all your families. :)
CB --in the past I defined  a scam as simply being when a girl ( or the profile!) is used and makes non genuine words for the purpose of encouraging a guy to spend money/time etc on her( or "her" profile. You can see that is fairly narrow definition. From that point on there are degrees of culpability-- which you illustrate in your examples-- and I do know of some of the girls you refer to.
But--it is not as simple as that. eg  a girl may be recruited at the innocent end of the scale and incur debt to an agency -she may have in fact used website innocently enough ( as she sees it) to earn a small income( or complement income from full time work). In due course a guy she  has no interest in (in real life terms) actually visits-- she is literally forced to spend time( with all the taxi/terp/dinner trimmings) with a guy that revolts her. If she had a choice-- she would have declined a meeting--but agency plays the "you owe us money " card.
From Ukraine perspective-- the girls( & agencies etc) rationalise what we call a deception-- by believing that no one is forcing the guy to spend money--ie the guy is a volunteer.
The morality of the situation is an attitude  at variance with what we believe are  our western ideals ( and of course in some countries now-laws).
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Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #20 on: January 01, 2014, 03:09:05 AM »
Humourless as well. As casting aspertions based on nationality is now an out on the forum I will not even try and connect that aspect of your posts to well known traits attributed to some nationalities--but it is funny how it comes out!!
To connect the dots -- the point of putting the mob in the spotlight is to keep puting the realities of it frontline of internet searchers-- and of course to assist those that come to the forum
The simple fact is that even those on forums have been by and large ignorant of the actual practices of the mob and many of them are in or have been in denial. So if it has no interest to you-- don't read it.
Sorry I do not understand humour that is based on denigrating and insulting others. I have heard that most Americans find it funny though, just like anything to do with human excrements.

As for putting the practices in the spotlight, it has been done time and again here, based on *REAL* happenings.

Before blaming the girls and agencies you might want to think about the 95% of men who are happy to throw money at a fantasy but will never leave their home town. Companies cater to that fantasy, and make money from it.
If someone wishes to cross over from the 95% to the 5% that is serious, this is the place to be.

As for scammers, I have long time ago found that this is actual in many cases not a woman in the picture. Instead there are 'brothers' who organize profiles, mails and handle taking the money without being caught. This is why there seem to be cities that are 'scammer hotspots' not because the women there are any less reliable as in other places, but because the group is located there.

Lugansk and Kazan are examples of this, however as IP tracing used to be a good tool to find the Kazan University campus, they will probably have invested in VPN connections to diversify.
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« Reply #21 on: January 01, 2014, 02:39:56 PM »
Shadow -the part you need to take notice of is--do not read the thread-put me on ignore.  Describing someone as humourless is a comment on your comments--you post zero new here--you attribute my attitude incorrectly and what is worse-clearly have not read what was said in the thread.
I am against provocative insults--but you make them based on wrong conclusions--like I said--you dont "get" it.

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SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
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« Reply #22 on: January 01, 2014, 03:46:30 PM »
Shadow -the part you need to take notice of is--do not read the thread-put me on ignore.  Describing someone as humourless is a comment on your comments--you post zero new here--you attribute my attitude incorrectly and what is worse-clearly have not read what was said in the thread.
I am against provocative insults--but you make them based on wrong conclusions--like I said--you dont "get" it.
If you wish to gossip about me without reading it, go to that other place.. oh wait you are banned there.
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« Reply #23 on: January 01, 2014, 04:17:05 PM »
If you wish to gossip about me without reading it, go to that other place.. oh wait you are banned there.

So exactly where is that gossip about you?
What has the other place  got to do with anything?
SLAVA UKRAYINI  ! HEROYAM SLAVA!!!!
Слава Украине! Слава героям слава!Слава Україні! Слава героям!
 translated as: Glory to Ukraine! Glory to the heroes!!!  is a Ukrainian greeting slogan being used now all over Ukraine to signify support for a free independent Ukraine

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« Reply #24 on: January 01, 2014, 04:28:09 PM »
Sorry I do not understand humour that is based on denigrating and insulting others. I have heard that most Americans find it funny though, just like anything to do with human excrements.


Shadow, I'm starting to think an American pissed in your cornflakes recently.   Would this be one of those American criticisms that Americans can't accept? 

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« Reply #25 on: January 01, 2014, 04:30:58 PM »

Shadow, I'm starting to think an American pissed in your cornflakes recently.   Would this be one of those American criticisms that Americans can't accept?
Probably... as I have nothing against Americans at all, just point out some facts.  ;D
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« Reply #26 on: January 01, 2014, 04:32:23 PM »
Probably... as I have nothing against Americans at all, just point out some facts.  ;D


hah  Well, no wonder we never get invited to dinner parties. 

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« Reply #27 on: January 01, 2014, 04:32:43 PM »
So exactly where is that gossip about you?
What has the other place  got to do with anything?
I guess you wish to make some, why would you expect me to ignore you otherwise?
I have never set anyone to ignore on any place I participate in. Met some ignoramuses though...
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« Reply #28 on: January 01, 2014, 04:33:40 PM »

hah  Well, no wonder we never get invited to dinner parties.
Not at all... actually the type of humour is no longer limited to Americans, it is more a sign of the times that people believe insulting is funny.
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« Reply #29 on: January 01, 2014, 04:38:03 PM »
Not at all... actually the type of humour is no longer limited to Americans, it is more a sign of the times that people believe insulting is funny.


Finally, others are catching on.  The human excrement jokes are to further discussions between insults while enjoying dinner with friends.  One cannot build a dinner party around insults alone.

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« Reply #30 on: January 01, 2014, 04:41:08 PM »

Finally, others are catching on.  The human excrement jokes are to further discussions between insults while enjoying dinner with friends.  One cannot build a dinner party around insults alone.
Indeed. Though I prefer to listen to insults of those not present at the dinner party. Of course I can not participate there, as it would make me a hypocrite considering the first point in this thread I made.
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« Reply #31 on: January 01, 2014, 04:57:41 PM »
Indeed. Though I prefer to listen to insults of those not present at the dinner party. Of course I can not participate there, as it would make me a hypocrite considering the first point in this thread I made.


Well, insulting people that can defend themselves isn't much fun.  Of course, some of those same people then complain about others insulting them.   :D 

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« Reply #32 on: January 02, 2014, 05:45:00 AM »

Well, insulting people that can defend themselves isn't much fun. 
Depends how strong you are.  ;D
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« Reply #33 on: January 05, 2014, 01:11:34 AM »

Shadow, I'm starting to think an American pissed in your cornflakes recently.   Would this be one of those American criticisms that Americans can't accept? 

Probably... as I have nothing against Americans at all, just point out some facts.  ;D

But what has all of this got to do with JayH?  He's Australian!  :cluebat:

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« Reply #34 on: January 05, 2014, 02:06:55 AM »
But what has all of this got to do with JayH?  He's Australian!  :cluebat:

Great observation.

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« Reply #35 on: January 05, 2014, 02:09:19 AM »
But what has all of this got to do with JayH?  He's Australian!  :cluebat:


We all look the same to Shadow.   ;D

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« Reply #36 on: January 05, 2014, 04:15:46 AM »
Anyone who speaks English and lives off the continent is fair game.  8)
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« Reply #37 on: January 05, 2014, 04:31:42 AM »
Anyone who speaks English and lives off the continent is fair game.  8)

Australia IS a continent, or hadn't you heard?  But to lump Australians and New Zealanders in the same class as Americans...that's just so far below the belt!  I used to have a favourable opinion of Holland and its people, based on those I met when I was there...you just ruined the dream  :'(.

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« Reply #38 on: January 05, 2014, 07:58:51 AM »
Australia IS a continent, or hadn't you heard?  But to lump Australians and New Zealanders in the same class as Americans...that's just so far below the belt!  I used to have a favourable opinion of Holland and its people, based on those I met when I was there...you just ruined the dream  :'( .
New Zealand is an exception.  ;D
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« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2014, 01:35:58 PM »
New Zealand is an exception.  ;D

Of course!  8)  Thank you, Shadow!  :clapping:

 

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