Russian Women Discussion

RWD Discussion Groups => Experienced => Topic started by: Trenchcoat on January 28, 2018, 01:49:34 PM

Title: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 28, 2018, 01:49:34 PM
Ok, so I've started this thread to avoid messing up others with talk about my dating plans seeing that Mobers was so curious ;D

Well just to build up the suspense I am not in a position to move on anything yet. February is a no go for me and March pretty similar. The weather is no good for me as I prefer dating when the weather is good, more people around, etc. I also have work commitments which although could be changed would not put me in a good place - since it is best for me to do all my work when the weather is cr*p.

April onwards is goer and I will see what I can arrange. I still feel I am best served by an open ended visitation out there, though I don't see myself on a position to do this before July. So I will see what develops over the next couple of months or so and will update here ;)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 28, 2018, 02:18:29 PM
Same ol same ol.... Get a plan of action and do something man. No more excuses.

Have you contacted anyone online or still gonna wait until you actually go.  by then it will be too late.

a few girls I've been talking to have invited me to meet them on vacation.  And not one mention of me paying for anything.  How does that happen?  You gotta put in the time to build a friendship and trust.  And be interesting enough that they wanna hang out with you and possibly more.

July is half a year away.  Get moving.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 28, 2018, 03:57:24 PM
Same ol same ol.... Get a plan of action and do something man. No more excuses.

Have you contacted anyone online or still gonna wait until you actually go.  by then it will be too late.

a few girls I've been talking to have invited me to meet them on vacation.  And not one mention of me paying for anything.  How does that happen?  You gotta put in the time to build a friendship and trust.  And be interesting enough that they wanna hang out with you and possibly more.

July is half a year away.  Get moving.

I doubt any girl will mention you paying for anything (except possibly minor travel expenses) until you arrive. Not all girls will try and get you to pay for stuff, the first one didn't other than cheap entertainment & food/drink but that's expected out there anyway. End of the day this search will throw up all sorts. I just don't have the time to Skype at the moment & messaging them now will just bring this up. I would rather meet a load of girls once there and then take my pick. Doing it the other eay just puts me in a disadvantageous position.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on January 28, 2018, 04:06:33 PM

Have you contacted anyone online or still gonna wait until you actually go.  by then it will be too late.


Tactics vary by strategy, it really depends on if he is going to meet one
or meet many.

If he is meeting many then I usually recommend only one or two letters
before getting on a plane.

If he is meeting one then 3 months is plenty of time to write a hundred
girls and get it narrowed down to one, besides getting on a plane soon
after writing letters shows him to be a man of action and ALL ladies like
a man of action. 

Imagine a girl who knows it will be six months before Trench gets on a
plane, and then she gets a letter from a guy who is getting on a plane
in 6-8 weeks!!??! Which guy makes her panties wetter?

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Nightwish on January 28, 2018, 04:11:40 PM
I doubt any girl will mention you paying for anything (except possibly minor travel expenses) until you arrive. Not all girls will try and get you to pay for stuff, the first one didn't other than cheap entertainment & food/drink but that's expected out there anyway. End of the day this search will throw up all sorts. I just don't have the time to Skype at the moment & messaging them now will just bring this up. I would rather meet a load of girls once there and then take my pick. Doing it the other eay just puts me in a disadvantageous position.



(http://media1.tenor.com/images/dcdb4bef5a422d4efb44577b6c33874a/tenor.gif?itemid=5875102)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 28, 2018, 07:06:36 PM
I had a good chuckle too..
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 28, 2018, 07:11:54 PM
Tactics vary by strategy, it really depends on if he is going to meet one
or meet many.

Imagine a girl who knows it will be six months before Trench gets on a
plane, and then she gets a letter from a guy who is getting on a plane
in 6-8 weeks!!??! Which guy makes her panties wetter?

Problem is I don't think he even has the ability to attract them online. We know how he writes here.  Who knows how he is when he writes to them.  In his case you're right the less he writes to them the better! 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on January 28, 2018, 07:27:43 PM
He’s taken three trips, so obviously he is able to attract women online.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 28, 2018, 07:41:26 PM
yeah but they just used him for his money.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on January 28, 2018, 07:49:43 PM
The first one didn’t. The second one may not have either.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: LAman on January 28, 2018, 08:09:00 PM
yeah but they just used him for his money.

2nd one was trade off, gifts for sex, they used each other!!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on January 28, 2018, 11:41:36 PM
Well, Trenchie

IF you are going to succeed in this venture - suggest you understand the fairer sex a little better...  I'm still learning - but boy have you some catching up to do

I'd save up and learn a new hobby - learn how to play the Guitar and be a 'rock star' ...   ?

You might pull a few one-nighters

If my vision for your future sounds wacky, it's meant to ... it's about as realistic as your advice / plan






Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on January 29, 2018, 01:15:48 AM
I think if you’re not a natural at picking up women at home, your preferred approach will not work.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 29, 2018, 01:17:40 AM
Well, Trenchie

IF you are going to succeed in this venture - suggest you understand the fairer sex a little better...  I'm still learning - but boy have you some catching up to do

Amen to that - and I'm not the slightest bit religious!

I'd save up and learn a new hobby - learn how to play the Guitar and be a 'rock star' ...   ?

He doesn't need to - he's going to be a teacher! ... oh, no, that was the plan three or four months ago.  :cluebat:  He's going to be a photographer instead! ... maybe not ...

If my vision for your future sounds wacky, it's meant to ... it's about as realistic as your advice / plan.

He doesn't have a real "plan," and that's the problem.  He thinks that by going to live there, totally winging it in a place he knows basically nothing about (at least, from what he's written over the last couple of years - four weeks total time, in three visits?), and where he speaks no more than half a dozen words of the language, girls who are 10 or 15 years younger than him are suddenly going to fall at his feet as he walks down the road because he's this dude who's going to rescue them from a life of deprivation in Suburbski... and then he's going to have to decide which of them to throw back into the river for the less lucky sods following him to the promised land!  :ROFL:

I still really can't decide if he's for real (in which case, Protective Brother Syndrome becomes a possibility if he does actually find someone to go out with), or that he's simply trolling (as has been suggested more than once).  I'll happily admit that I'm no expert on the fairer sex (heck, I got divorced, just like the majority of male posters here), but I really do struggle to get my head around ANYONE being so totally clueless - especially when he's been given basically the same information by every single person who has commented on his posts.  Truly bizarre!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 29, 2018, 01:27:15 AM
Tactics vary by strategy, it really depends on if he is going to meet one
or meet many.

If he is meeting many then I usually recommend only one or two letters
before getting on a plane.

If he is meeting one then 3 months is plenty of time to write a hundred
girls and get it narrowed down to one, besides getting on a plane soon
after writing letters shows him to be a man of action and ALL ladies like
a man of action. 

Imagine a girl who knows it will be six months before Trench gets on a
plane, and then she gets a letter from a guy who is getting on a plane
in 6-8 weeks!!??! Which guy makes her panties wetter?

Your totally right here 2tallbill I'm using the visit many strategy this time so like you say will write to some girls a couple of letters a week before I get on the plane. So that way can hit the ground running straight after getting there. The trip I am planning to be open ended so I can call them up one or two at a time without feeling too rushed. This will hopefully give me the time to find the right one and get into a bit of a normal dating relationship with her. So me arriving straight of the bat of her second email should make her panties nice & moist :D
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 29, 2018, 01:38:44 AM
The first one didn’t. The second one may not have either.

Boethius is right neither the first nor second girl used me for money. The first girl I met for a week and we got in well but no affection. The second girl was just a brief date I think she realised there was nothing there so that was that. The third girl there was the money issue, I think she did have some genuine affection for me. I'm still on the fence on her as there was a lot of issues I think. So for the moment I think I am best served meeting a lot of other women to help me put that relationship in perspective.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 29, 2018, 05:37:27 AM
So that way can hit the ground running straight after getting there. The trip I am planning to be open ended so I can call them up one or two at a time without feeling too rushed. This will hopefully give me the time to find the right one and get into a bit of a normal dating relationship with her. So me arriving straight of the bat of her second email should make her panties nice & moist :D

You sound like a pubescent teen when you write like that and you probably think like one too.  lol at writing girls a week before.
My bet is most if not all will flake out on you once you arrive there.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 29, 2018, 01:07:01 PM
You sound like a pubescent teen when you write like that and you probably think like one too.  lol at writing girls a week before.
My bet is most if not all will flake out on you once you arrive there.

Pubescent teen is life at its best ;D Doesn't matter if they do flake on me, they will be plenty more to call up, plenty more time to write to them if they are not keen on meeting up straight away. Best of all no more Skype :D Its not that I mind doing it so much as the time it takes out of my schedule and the fact that it tends to mean you have to often focus on one woman. So when I get to the point of being able to do this then it should be a pleasing place for me to be :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 29, 2018, 04:45:37 PM
...Best of all no more Skype :D Its not that I mind doing it so much as the time it takes out of my schedule and the fact that it tends to mean you have to often focus on one woman. So when I get to the point of being able to do this then it should be a pleasing place for me to be :)

How many times do you have to be told that, if you spent less time pontificating here, you would have that much more time to actually search for someone - and maybe, just maybe, actually find one (or more) to talk to!

I told you, months ago, that you have a huge advantage over the American guys looking at FSUW because you're only a couple of time zones different from them, rather than 10 or more.  And what have you done with that information?  I'm guessing just about as much as you have with all the good information from those who've been there and got the T-shirt (to put on their beautiful wife).

Skype doesn't mean that you have to focus on one person - it DOES allow you to talk to many, and quickly eliminate those who don't fit the imaginary profile you've created:

wears only miniskirts;
looks are 11/10;
will be happy to spend all her time in the kitchen or bedroom, where you will teach her all you know;
knows nothing about money;
speaks perfect English;
completely blind so that she won't see all the other dudes in England lusting after her;
and all the other qualities you've listed in the last few months...
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Hammer2722 on January 29, 2018, 04:58:03 PM
How many times do you have to be told that, if you spent less time pontificating here, you would have that much more time to actually search for someone - and maybe, just maybe, actually find one (or more) to talk to!

I told you, months ago, that you have a huge advantage over the American guys looking at FSUW because you're only a couple of time zones different from them, rather than 10 or more.  And what have you done with that information?  I'm guessing just about as much as you have with all the good information from those who've been there and got the T-shirt (to put on their beautiful wife).

Skype doesn't mean that you have to focus on one person - it DOES allow you to talk to many, and quickly eliminate those who don't fit the imaginary profile you've created:

wears only miniskirts;
looks are 11/10;
will be happy to spend all her time in the kitchen or bedroom, where you will teach her all you know;
knows nothing about money;
speaks perfect English;
completely blind so that she won't see all the other dudes in England lusting after her;
and all the other qualities you've listed in the last few months...

 :applause:
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: JayH on January 29, 2018, 05:58:33 PM
, and quickly eliminate those who don't fit the imaginary profile you've created:

wears only miniskirts;
looks are 11/10;
will be happy to spend all her time in the kitchen or bedroom, where you will teach her all you know;
knows nothing about money;
speaks perfect English;
completely blind so that she won't see all the other dudes in England lusting after her;
and all the other qualities you've listed in the last few months...

You need to add  dumb as a post,ignorant,a fool,stupid beyond belief,naive,uneducated,  and a big plus if she already owns all the clothes and shoes she will need for the next decade!!    Plus -- she needs to be able to get immediate work on arrival ( to pay for her own food and the rent she will need to pay at Trenchcoats "mansion")-- at a workplace where there are no men under 120yo !!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 29, 2018, 06:06:25 PM
Well this thread went up in flames in a hurry..lol.

Basically Trench you need to do the complete opposite of what you have been trying for the past few years.  Then you might actually get some results.

And no, an almost 40 year old guy lusting after girls like a pubescent teen is rather sad.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 30, 2018, 09:39:30 AM
How many times do you have to be told that, if you spent less time pontificating here, you would have that much more time to actually search for someone - and maybe, just maybe, actually find one (or more) to talk to!

I told you, months ago, that you have a huge advantage over the American guys looking at FSUW because you're only a couple of time zones different from them, rather than 10 or more.  And what have you done with that information?  I'm guessing just about as much as you have with all the good information from those who've been there and got the T-shirt (to put on their beautiful wife).

Skype doesn't mean that you have to focus on one person - it DOES allow you to talk to many, and quickly eliminate those who don't fit the imaginary profile you've created:

wears only miniskirts;
looks are 11/10;
will be happy to spend all her time in the kitchen or bedroom, where you will teach her all you know;
knows nothing about money;
speaks perfect English;
completely blind so that she won't see all the other dudes in England lusting after her;
and all the other qualities you've listed in the last few months...

Just how much time do you think I have? I am not retired, I get some free time of course, but all the time I spend waffling onto women online is time I am not making money. Messaging I can keep the messages short survey can have a few on the go and maintain it. Skype though I can only do one within a few hours at most. Why? Because if I overrun I can't mess things up with the following girl if I stand her up. I can also mess things up with the girl I'm talking to if we start hitting it off then I have to suddenly pull the plug. I may also become quite knackered after talking to one girl particularly if her English is not good or after work. So you see it is not that easy to talk to more than one girl unless you are retired or similar.

Now think, how many girl would I have to go through until I find one naturally attracted to me. I personally think 10 percent of girls would be way too much for me and most guys. I think nearer 5 percent would be nearer the mark judged on the number of women I come across where this seemed present in the UK (note they may of course had bf already so not necessarily available). So about 1 out of every 20 girls roughly would be the case and seems about right. To my mind I am better off going out there to do this. Why? Because otherwise I am potentially passing over girl I have chemistry with so unless I get lucky I am making the odds even longer. Being in the UK is a big bonus yes in terms of travel time & cost but if you are meeting one woman at a time it can still mount up with not necessarily any success to show either. The guys that do seem to nearly always have success seem to be the ones that are willing to go out there and spend a good many weeks or months out there - that strategy can work well whether from the US, UK, Canada, Aus, etc as you don't often have to make the journey, you're there and it's done.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 30, 2018, 11:28:19 AM
Just how much time do you think I have?

You sure got alot of time to write here!  Just more excuses man. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 30, 2018, 12:11:06 PM
You sure got alot of time to write here!  Just more excuses man.

Writing here doesn't take long, flying to a misadventure does. As I've said before the winter months are not generally for me, I would prefer to do the income stuff more on these months. I just find it dating during warmer weather. I mean frog marching a girl around a city in bad weather is not going to go down well with her.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on January 30, 2018, 12:18:12 PM
For those WITH a clue...  I invited my then future wife to Cyprus ( first)  - as it was warmer than Siberia - in December - and I went to visit her in Siberia in early Feb ( -25C to -30C )

I had never seen steaming rivers and so much snow, and the thrill of removing layers of clothes ...

Trench - why don't you consider hibernation ?  You don't seem to mind missing out on stuff

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 30, 2018, 05:34:01 PM
Just how much time do you think I have? I am not retired, I get some free time of course, but all the time I spend waffling onto women online is time I am not making money.

What sort of job do you have that you need to spend ALL of your time trying to make money?  And which is more important to you - the almighty pound, or potentially finding the future Mrs Trenchcoat?  I know you've told us that you want to build up your bank balance before heading to Russia, but most of us in paid employment (as distinct from those like BillyB who are self-employed) try to keep our working hours down to something reasonable, and then we have time for all the fun stuff - such as going on dates!

Messaging I can keep the messages short survey can have a few on the go and maintain it.

What the hell does this mean?  :cluebat: I don't care if you're not able to find a computer to write on, as distinct from your phone but, for the love of Mike, please try previewing what you've written BEFORE you hit POST.

Skype though I can only do one within a few hours at most. Why? Because if I overrun I can't mess things up with the following girl if I stand her up. I can also mess things up with the girl I'm talking to if we start hitting it off then I have to suddenly pull the plug. I may also become quite knackered after talking to one girl particularly if her English is not good or after work. So you see it is not that easy to talk to more than one girl unless you are retired or similar.

That's just another excuse to add to the list.  The whole of point of INITIAL Skype calls is to keep them short because you're looking for any excuse to kick the girl to the kerb (same as when buying a car) - as she is with you.  If there's ANYTHING which doesn't fit your search criteria you politely thank her for her time and end the conversation.  Even if you like her, and think that there's potential for a relationship, you still need to end the conversation if you have another one lined up.  There's nothing to stop you ringing back again the same day/night (depending on how late it already is where she lives) or the next day.

Now think, how many girl would I have to go through until I find one naturally attracted to me. I personally think 10 percent of girls would be way too much for me and most guys. I think nearer 5 percent would be nearer the mark judged on the number of women I come across where this seemed present in the UK (note they may of course had bf already so not necessarily available). So about 1 out of every 20 girls roughly would be the case and seems about right.

For crying out loud!  You only Skype the ones who have already passed your initial screening (whether by email or some other method)!  Of those, if you have any clue at all about what you want and/or are prepared to compromise on, you should have a strike rate way better than 5%.

To my mind I am better off going out there to do this. Why? Because otherwise I am potentially passing over girl I have chemistry with so unless I get lucky I am making the odds even longer.

There are thousands of potential Mrs Trenchcoats out there, and I would hazard a guess that a very big proportion of them live within an hour's travel of you - NOT in the FSU.  "Chemistry" is something which should be obvious to some degree even on Skype and, if you can't pick up any, you do as I wrote above - end the call and move on.

Being in the UK is a big bonus yes in terms of travel time & cost but if you are meeting one woman at a time it can still mount up with not necessarily any success to show either.

And how do you think the vast majority of people start dating?  Gee, they meet ONE woman at a time!  And a lot of them eventually end up married!

The guys that do seem to nearly always have success seem to be the ones that are willing to go out there and spend a good many weeks or months out there - that strategy can work well whether from the US, UK, Canada, Aus, etc as you don't often have to make the journey, you're there and it's done.

That's more bollocks.  Of course there are members here who have done that - but they are a tiny minority, and they speak Russian!  You don't.  Most have started the same way - take a trip for a week or two, or a month, meet a girl (or several) and, as 2tallbill says, rinse and repeat.  Although some get lucky and meet the girl of their dreams on the first trip, there are still all sorts of hurdles to overcome (time and money being of the essence) before they wind up happily married in suburbia.  Again, most men need to make several trips to get to that stage.

Most people only have a limited amount of vacation time, so they're constrained by that.  You don't seem to have that problem if you're talking about spending several months there, so why not do some groundwork and get ready to line up some dates before you go?  I'm not talking about contacting women now - start making a list of potential contacts now, save them as favourites on your dating site(s), and contact them when you're nearly ready to go.  Surely any preparation is better than none (and that includes learning a bit more than basic Russian if you're going to spend months there - assuming that you can get a visa to do so).
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 30, 2018, 08:02:06 PM
You can't help those who don't want to be helped...
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 31, 2018, 02:07:21 AM
You can't help those who don't want to be helped...

I know, but I'm just a helluva nice guy! (Where's that angel emoticon when you need it?).  :devil:

Even if Trenchcoat doesn't take a blind bit of notice, which is on the cards, I'll pretend that I'm 2tallbill, and preface my remarks with "for the newbies and lurkers out there...," hoping like hell that my words of wisdom (along with everyone else's) will actually make a difference for SOMEONE.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 31, 2018, 05:48:11 AM
Quote
Most people only have a limited amount of vacation time, so they're constrained by that.  You don't seem to have that problem if you're talking about spending several months there, so why not do some groundwork and get ready to line up some dates before you go?  I'm not talking about contacting women now - start making a list of potential contacts now, save them as favourites on your dating site(s), and contact them when you're nearly ready to go.  Surely any preparation is better than none (and that includes learning a bit more than basic Russian if you're going to spend months there - assuming that you can get a visa to do so).

:D You have stubbled upon my strategy Kiwi. This is what I have been doing. I took three cities, Minsk, St. Petersburg & Sochi and made a favourite folder for each one. I then looked up a whole load of women and everytime I got to one that looked like I could see her with me I added her to the list. If she had kids already she got kicked to the curb as apart from preferring without I don't want any more complications than the usual on all this which is usually enough in itself. The women were all between 29-34 years old as I felt any younger would unlikely serve me well while much older and her having kids might start becoming an issue. Well, of the three cities Sochi was hardest going - there seemed to be lots of attractive women but they nearly all had kids, leaving the less attractive who did not. Minsk was next best, lots of women without kids but not that many attractive women. So St. Petersburg came top, lots of attractive women without kids, they just seem to keep coming up and up here, lol. Sochi by contrast was a tough game searched loads and the same deal, if she was hot she normally also had a kid, why this is so I guess is propably down to girls wanting to hook up with wealthy guys then them dumping them.

Anyway, so St. Pete's was the way to go it seemed, Minsk I could always stop off for five days on the way and bring up the best girls but to get a visa and be confined to there seemed stupid. If I ever got fed up with St. Petersburg or it got too cold a business visa could let me travel anywhere. I did not do Moscow as already been there but from what I hear from other posters the hit rate is probably similar to St.Pete's so another possibility. To be hobest it doesn't take long once you know the sort of thing you are looking for. A day of just searching will bring up a load of women, I surprised myself on that. Anyway so here I am, like I say I am holding off on contacting these women as I want to meet with them in person once there NOT get dragged into lots of messaging and Skype beforehand. It's a pretty disciplined approach but one that I think will pay off.

Money wise the Great British Pound is king ;) Every GBP that I earn enables me more clout out there. Ukraine the most of course but even in the more expensive parts if Russia it's good to have a fair old wacky of savings behind me. If & when I secure an independant source of income later this year then I should be able to stay out there a lengthy period without having to rely upon work - so a good place to be :) At the moment spending a lot of time Skyping will detract from all of that so would be counterproductive. Like it or not a good financial position usually serves a guy well out there.

I want to quickly establish if there is chemistry in person, that is something I find difficult over Skype. I think you'll find if you play around on Skype with quick calls then want another later after the girl has waited around for ages it will not go down well. Anyway, this is the strategy I have chosen for this year and one that I believe will best suit me.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on January 31, 2018, 06:26:00 AM

Money wise the Great British Pound is king ;) Every GBP that I earn enables me more clout out there.

Trench can't be aware that @ 80 R/ GBP the 'strong' Pound has lost  approx 30 R and Russia has had inflation ..

Let him find out how 'king' his post Brexit vote 'our' currency is .. :wallbash:

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Anotherkiwi on January 31, 2018, 05:30:29 PM
:D You have stubbled upon my strategy Kiwi.

What has forgetting to shave got to do with finding a wife?  :-X  I do hope you meant "stumbled."

This is what I have been doing. I took three cities, Minsk, St. Petersburg & Sochi and made a favourite folder for each one.

Finally!  Something sensible at last.

I then looked up a whole load of women and everytime I got to one that looked like I could see her with me I added her to the list. If she had kids already she got kicked to the curb as apart from preferring without I don't want any more complications than the usual on all this which is usually enough in itself. The women were all between 29-34 years old as I felt any younger would unlikely serve me well while much older and her having kids might start becoming an issue.

Even better.  Continue like this and people might actually start to think you DO have a better than one-in-a-million chance of succeeding.

...Sochi by contrast was a tough game searched loads and the same deal, if she was hot she normally also had a kid, why this is so I guess is propably down to girls wanting to hook up with wealthy guys then them dumping them.

And then you spoil it, as usual, by posting more misogynistic twaddle!

Anyway, so St. Pete's was the way to go it seemed, Minsk I could always stop off for five days on the way and bring up the best girls but to get a visa and be confined to there seemed stupid. If I ever got fed up with St. Petersburg or it got too cold a business visa could let me travel anywhere.

It depends what sort of visa you get.  You can't LIVE in Russia using a business visa.  Ask posters such as mhr7 and deccie how they live there, and what sort of visa they have.  Mendeleyev is a different sort of case, as he has been living in Moscow for many years.

As for the number of women, did you not bother to check the respective populations?  Saint Petersburg has near enough to 5 million people, and Sochi only 360,000 - of COURSE there will be fewer in Sochi who fit your criteria.

I want to quickly establish if there is chemistry in person, that is something I find difficult over Skype.

Why?  As I posted earlier, your strategy (W0VM) should be to make short calls to your edited list, simply to find out the respective levels of interest.  If either of you has reservations, you end it immediately.

I think you'll find if you play around on Skype with quick calls then want another later after the girl has waited around for ages it will not go down well. Anyway, this is the strategy I have chosen for this year and one that I believe will best suit me.

Why should she be waiting around for ages?  :cluebat: All you need to do is set a time that you will call back, AND STICK TO IT!  She has no exclusive claim to your time, as you don't to hers, and it's highly unlikely that you will be the only WM talking to her.  Find out early if you think that she's worth pursuing - if not, move on.

But, in your case, I would set aside some time before you go simply to narrow down your field.  You don't have to be "retired" - just use some of your holiday wisely by contacting women on your shortlist before you go.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on January 31, 2018, 06:43:48 PM
Trench can't be aware that @ 80 R/ GBP the 'strong' Pound has lost  approx 30 R and Russia has had inflation ..

Let him find out how 'king' his post Brexit vote 'our' currency is .. :wallbash:

Still a better pound to rouble rate than 2013-14 which was before Brexit ;)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 31, 2018, 06:47:04 PM
Anotherkiwi, sometimes failure is the only way people learn.  Trench will learn soon enough.  I have a strong feeling many of the women he contacts won't even bother meeting up with him when he goes to Russia.

Remember, they are on a dating site.  They probably have 100's of guys contacting them.  I have Russian lady friends who tell me the type of messages they get.  They get offers to meet up in a foreign city for vacation and much more.

They aren't waiting around for some dude like "Trench" to show up that's for sure.

What could he possibly offer to them.  He doesn't live in London but some small little town.  No big city girl is gonna be interested.

Let him learn.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on January 31, 2018, 06:51:52 PM
Still a better pound to rouble rate than 2013-14 which was before Brexit ;)

Yeah but you totally missed the boat already.  The pound was worth over 100 rubles in 2015-early 2016... you should have booked your flight then when you effectively had double the purchasing power.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on January 31, 2018, 10:30:33 PM
Still a better pound to rouble rate than 2013-14 which was before Brexit ;)

Yup - you chose to forget double digit inflation, again ...  remind us, WHEN were you last in Russia ?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 01, 2018, 01:03:05 PM
Yeah but you totally missed the boat already.  The pound was worth over 100 rubles in 2015-early 2016... you should have booked your flight then when you effectively had double the purchasing power.

Double of the current 80 is 160 so what you say is not true, at best it's only been around the 120 mark so approximately a third more.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on February 01, 2018, 02:40:23 PM
at best it's only been around the 120 mark so approximately a third more.


You and BillyB went to the same school? Your arithmetic is atrocious.

As you referred to MORE....a 40 Rouble increase from 80R to 120R is 50 percent ....
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on February 01, 2018, 03:21:56 PM

You and BillyB went to the same school? Your arithmetic is atrocious.

As you referred to MORE....a 40 Rouble increase from 80R to 120R is 50 percent ....

I never said I was talking percentages ;)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on February 02, 2018, 01:18:53 AM
I note you've been to the BillyB school of obfuscation, too  :D

Since when has approximately a third not been A LOT nearer thirty percent  ..?



Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: LAman on February 19, 2018, 01:50:51 PM


Anyway, so St. Pete's was the way to go it seemed, Minsk I could always stop off for five days on the way and bring up the best girls but to get a visa and be confined to there seemed stupid. If I ever got fed up with St. Petersburg or it got too cold a business visa could let me travel anywhere. I did not do Moscow as already been there but from what I hear from other posters the hit rate is probably similar to St.Pete's so another possibility. To be hobest it doesn't take long once you know the sort of thing you are looking for. A day of just searching will bring up a load of women, I surprised myself on that. Anyway so here I am, like I say I am holding off on contacting these women as I want to meet with them in person once there NOT get dragged into lots of messaging and Skype beforehand. It's a pretty disciplined approach but one that I think will pay off.

 

Just saw a thread in tripadvisor, this was OP.....maybe started by our trench????

                   how to meet girls in moskow
                     Sep 12, 2017, 3:15 AM



         traveling to moskow dont how to talk to russians


what'd ya'll think???

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Nightwish on February 19, 2018, 02:13:21 PM
Just saw a thread in tripadvisor, this was OP.....maybe started by our trench????

                   how to meet girls in moskow
                     Sep 12, 2017, 3:15 AM



         traveling to moskow dont how to talk to russians


what'd ya'll think???

No, not Trench, to short, to much to the point, no rambling and that almost made sense as a question, so not Trench... (but the spelling and the structure of the sentence was almost like it could have been him)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on February 20, 2018, 12:55:04 AM
Although Trenchie has his mobile phone set to US English (?), 'we' - this side of the pond call the RU capital Mos 'Ko '...   no cattle involved ;)

But then may be Trenchie was trying to be 'hip' ?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 16, 2018, 10:42:06 PM
Well for those of you already fed up with talk on Russian spies, Stephen Hawking, etc back to me :D

I've come to the decision that the way things are working out that I would be best off going out to the FSU for a couple of weeks end of may/beginning of June and then layer in the year going out on a more extensive stay whether I've found a woman or not, to either find a woman then once found get into a domestic situation with her. Odds are it may be looking at Belarus/Ukraine combination because of the situation currently developing but we shall see.

Main thing though is I an still in a bit of a quandary as to the type of girl I should go for. Should I look for a girl that is not too bothered about fashion/material stuff or one like the last girl who was? BillyB has helped me to see that there can be advantages to such a girl such as her being more clued into people and hence getting on better with people. However I tend to find the spend level a bit worrying. I kind of see how a bit of spending on fashion can look nice for both the guy & girl. With more materialistic girls though the expectation usually goes beyond the odd dress, top, coat, bag or shoes, it seems that it is an as often as possible affair with a regular summer/winter wardrobe turnaround. Now while I quite like a bit of clothes shopping with a pretty girl :) I kind of also take reassurance and comfort in a relatively stable bank account. I can bring on a bit more money but I am not fabulously wealthy. Some of this fashion stuff does not cost a lot to be honest but a lot of it will add up. To some extent it's all about where life's priorities are, I could easily spend similar money to a fashion label, dress, shirt, etc on some updated components for my computer, a new computer, DIY  power tools, car assessories, etc - so should I really object to spending a similar amount on clothing reasonably regularly? Beyond that do I go for a girl with similar interests or one that is intelligent or one who is socially skilled or one that is fun loving but a bit of a bimbo? Aside from natural chemistry of course.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 16, 2018, 11:08:43 PM
The fact you don’t even know what you’re looking for suggests you will fail.

Figure out what is important to you in life. Choose someone who shares your values.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 17, 2018, 02:14:00 AM


Figure out what is important to you in life. Choose someone who shares your values.

Isn't that the problem - he seeks a concubine
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 17, 2018, 02:28:37 AM
Isn't that the problem - he seeks a concubine

Funny you say that Mobers, I've been thinking of just that recently, my dream of having a concubine of lots of hotties :D Realistically though apart from becoming a Mormon I don't see how this would be achieved in present day society :(
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 17, 2018, 02:48:16 AM
The fact you don’t even know what you’re looking for suggests you will fail.

Figure out what is important to you in life. Choose someone who shares your values.

I think you're right Boethius, what you have put has made me think about what is important/suit me best. I'm thinking actually that someone that is quite well balanced in the areas I've outlined would actually suit be best. Out off the two of the girls I met for any significant time the first was too much into the performing arts/opera, orchestra and the like - I don't mind occasionally but this would get tiresome after not too long. She was into fashion but far more reasonable than the last girl, we went into a high street clothes shop (a chain store) and she bought an item or two without asking me to buy her anything, though I made sure I was not near the till at the time ;) it was at the end of the week and there had been no affection so seemed a pointless waste to spend out on a non-runner.

The last girl was too much into clothes shopping, while its great to see her in some hot gear it again gets tiresome if you do too much off it, and apart form the beach it was most of the time. I'm quite into exploring cities and stuff to do, sightseeing, the odd museum, ornate building, etc again a lot of this can get too much even for me if its done too much, day after day etc. So I'm thinking a girl that doesn't mind doing a bit of sightseeing together with the concessional fashion clothes shopping sort of direction. Intelligence wise I am not too bothered with her being uber intelligent, a bit of intelligence with a bit of fun loving would be ideal - I've often noticed that highly intelligent people can have difficulty relating to others and/or be too heavy in conversation, some more light hearted stuff can be good sometimes, but equally someone who is not devoid of intelligent thought good also. So the main question is do you think it is possible to find a woman that is only occasionally interested in fashion? i.e only a little materialistic because I sometimes wonder if its a all or nothing sort of thing when it comes to how materialistic a woman is :-\
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: alex330 on March 17, 2018, 11:26:39 AM
Yes.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Jumper on March 17, 2018, 02:15:39 PM
You can find any personality.

Materialism isn't completely tied to fashion  though.Those can be separate issues lol

  Anyway, my wife is more conservative with money than even trench scrouge coat possibly lol.
 She has good fashion sense but isnt all that label conscious, nor is shopping some real hobby.

Women have more interests than shopping TC.
If you havnt found one yet , then you are dating women I'd find infinanetly boring.

 I dint expect a g/f to enjoy the exact same hobbies i do, but i did look to share my life with someone who enjoyed an active lifestyle. Who when wee went on vacation woukd enjoy the same places I might,  or same excursions etc.
I'm not going to just bake on a beach for more than a day, nor am I going to do hours if shopping if I'm in some city or country I've never explored. i'd rather watch paint dry, and thats coming from a guy who loves the beach. So id want someone who would like to go snorkling,diving,  or go off sight seeing or fishing or hiking or whatever. I also like to do stuff on a whim.
If I have to take days to plan it out , then it's far less interesting.
So that's a small part of what I looked for in a partner.

You need to decide what would fit you and your personality and life.

Without that you are just chasing the shortest skirts , and possibly the worst long term compatibility  possible.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 17, 2018, 02:33:33 PM



Trench, If I had to do this over and over, I'd be 100% successful each time. Some guys worry if they'll have any success finding an FSU woman. There's enough advice in this forum to be 100% successful. If you can't identify the best advice and use it, you won't be successful. If you don't make some changes to yourself, how you view women, and in your beliefs, you won't be successful. In the time you've been here, I'd be dating tons of women if I were single in that span and would be able to choose the best out of the lot. You're sometimes picky. You're sometimes paranoid. You have a hard time identifying the good from the bad. You're sometimes overthinking things. You're all the time doing something wrong. Life will pass you by and it will be too late. You won't be able to go back and fix the time you lost.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 17, 2018, 03:43:02 PM
You can find any personality.

Materialism isn't completely tied to fashion  though.Those can be separate issues lol

  Anyway, my wife is more conservative with money than even trench scrouge coat possibly lol.
 She has good fashion sense but isnt all that label conscious, nor is shopping some real hobby.

Women have more interests than shopping TC.
If you havnt found one yet , then you are dating women I'd find infinanetly boring.

 I dint expect a g/f to enjoy the exact same hobbies i do, but i did look to share my life with someone who enjoyed an active lifestyle. Who when wee went on vacation woukd enjoy the same places I might,  or same excursions etc.
I'm not going to just bake on a beach for more than a day, nor am I going to do hours if shopping if I'm in some city or country I've never explored. i'd rather watch paint dry, and thats coming from a guy who loves the beach. So id want someone who would like to go snorkling,diving,  or go off sight seeing or fishing or hiking or whatever. I also like to do stuff on a whim.
If I have to take days to plan it out , then it's far less interesting.
So that's a small part of what I looked for in a partner.

You need to decide what would fit you and your personality and life.

Without that you are just chasing the shortest skirts , and possibly the worst long term compatibility  possible.

Thanks Jumper, that's handy to know, the woman you have seems more along the type of personality I need. Though I wonder if she might be a little too cost saving even foe me, lol. The last girl I was with said she had the odd hobby but didn't seem interested in doing it. Neither much else either like she might crack a nail or something. We did bowing once which she seemed ok doing but it's something you can only do here or there. She was dismissive of the idea of going on one of those boats with an underwater viewing area when abroad. I mean she can't have even done that stuff before where she lives & money she is on. So anyway, it's handy to know that you think there are a range of personalities in women. I'm just going to have to tune in a bit more to what I'm after now that I have a better idea of what I'm after, many thanks :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 17, 2018, 04:11:02 PM


Trench, If I had to do this over and over, I'd be 100% successful each time. Some guys worry if they'll have any success finding an FSU woman. There's enough advice in this forum to be 100% successful. If you can't identify the best advice and use it, you won't be successful. If you don't make some changes to yourself, how you view women, and in your beliefs, you won't be successful. In the time you've been here, I'd be dating tons of women if I were single in that span and would be able to choose the best out of the lot. [/size]You're sometimes picky. You're sometimes paranoid. You have a hard time identifying the good from the bad. You're sometimes overthinking things. You're all the time doing something wrong. Life will pass you by and it will be too late. You won't be able to go back and fix the time you lost.

Thanks Billy, I know I have not got things right along the way. I think I'm getting better and advice from you and a few others have really been helping. I kind of wish I made more of an effort on all of this ten years ago when I would have had more time for learning. I feel I've learnt a fair amount in the last couple of years but still time is getting on. The last part you state about looking back and it being too late is something I think about, I think I will have no other choice than to do what I do and accept that this may end up bein ghe case - I would rather try than not try at all even if I may never get to where I want to be.

On the good/bad girl thing, I accept that I have been having a little trouble on that. I can identify an obvious scammer girl. However, anything else is not always easy for me. I now think the girls I was with are essentially good girls but cultural differences made it harder to determine/got in the way. The last girl was the hardest to determine, it kept seesawing in my mind from 'she seems honest and up front' to 'but how she acts/what she asks for makes me wonder'. I think like Boethius has said that she is manipulative (but not necessarily a 'bad' girl) and that was not helping matters. With her it's a difficult one, I could still contact her to give it another go but I'm between the thoughts of 'I can't be too picky' and 'there are problems there' and I don't know if they can be resolved if she isn't willing to work on them with me. Till now she has just wanted to do things the way she likes so I made little headway. I know 2tallbill said he was not willing to settle but he was at this search ten years due to that with do doubt more ability at all of this than me. I just need to get a little closer to what I need I think, I don't need perfect just close enough I'm thinking :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on March 17, 2018, 04:38:23 PM
I think you're right Boethius, what you have put has made me think about
what is important/suit me best.

Earlier I asked you to make a list of everything you want in the future
Mrs Trench and to keep it to yourself. You don't need people in the peanut
gallery picking your list apart. It's your list of goals of what you want, not
theirs. Once you have a list of goals then you can make a plan on how to
find a girl that fits.

Take two items from my list. Trust and Honesty. If you don't trust a girl
then you aren't with the right girl. If the girl isn't honest then you can't
trust her. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER compromise on character.

You can ask all sorts of questions to find the type of girl that fits your
goals. But what you MUST do is dump the girl if she isn't a good fit.
You can't keep hanging on to her just because she's hot or is willing
to drop her knickers. I really think that was your problem on the
previous girls. Once you see the girl isn't the one you can't keep
seeing them or else you will spend all your spinning your wheels.

Lastly, girls can't be fixed! If a girl has a character problem then
move on.

Unrelated Side Note:
My wife loves, loves, loves, loves, loves shopping, but she doesn't like
spending money. I can't tell you how many times she went shopping
for hours and came back with nothing because she didn't find a good
enough value for her to part with our money.

When my wife shops for something, she checks it like they check the
steam pipes on Nuclear power plants. She checks every stitch of thread
in everything she buys. She inventories everything she's seen and
compares every single feature and option and if she isn't completely
impressed nothing is purchased.

I didn't even have frugality on my list. I got it as a bonus part of the
Angel Eyes package.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on March 17, 2018, 04:55:48 PM
I know 2tallbill said he was not willing to settle but he was at this search ten years
due to that with do doubt more ability at all of this than me. I just need to get a
little closer to what I need I think, I don't need perfect just close enough I'm
thinking :)

I spent 9 years, but I spent a lot of time doing things the wrong way.
I did make different mistakes each time and kept refining what I did.

I also had some big, huge things in my life happen that affected my
search in the middle of it. A family sickness and death, a very tough
economy prompting a move to North Dakota (I would never move there
if things weren't especially dire where I was) and many other things.

I wasn't looking for a perfect woman (what would she want with me?)
I was looking for an excellent, high quality woman, with looks and
brains, who I could trust and had the same values as I did.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 17, 2018, 06:28:32 PM
Trench you're going about it the wrong way..who cares about these girls' shopping habits. that's the last thing you need to think about. can you even have a conversation with them? or hang out with them and have fun.  that's what you gotta ask yourself. or are you boring in real life too.

You spent an awful long time doing this without much luck.  Reality is you gotta try something different.  Go hit the gym and get in shape.  Other than money what do you offer them?  Cause if that's all there is they'll be gone as soon as the money runs out.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 17, 2018, 06:40:47 PM
Earlier I asked you to make a list of everything you want in the future
Mrs Trench and to keep it to yourself. You don't need people in the peanut
gallery picking your list apart. It's your list of goals of what you want, not
theirs. Once you have a list of goals then you can make a plan on how to
find a girl that fits.

Take two items from my list. Trust and Honesty. If you don't trust a girl
then you aren't with the right girl. If the girl isn't honest then you can't
trust her. NEVER, NEVER, NEVER compromise on character.

You can ask all sorts of questions to find the type of girl that fits your
goals. But what you MUST do is dump the girl if she isn't a good fit.
You can't keep hanging on to her just because she's hot or is willing
to drop her knickers. I really think that was your problem on the
previous girls. Once you see the girl isn't the one you can't keep
seeing them or else you will spend all your spinning your wheels.

Lastly, girls can't be fixed! If a girl has a character problem then
move on.

Unrelated Side Note:
My wife loves, loves, loves, loves, loves shopping, but she doesn't like
spending money. I can't tell you how many times she went shopping
for hours and came back with nothing because she didn't find a good
enough value for her to part with our money.

When my wife shops for something, she checks it like they check the
steam pipes on Nuclear power plants. She checks every stitch of thread
in everything she buys. She inventories everything she's seen and
compares every single feature and option and if she isn't completely
impressed nothing is purchased.

I didn't even have frugality on my list. I got it as a bonus part of the
Angel Eyes package.

The girl I was last with was fussy in the clothes shops but she wasn't at all frugal, lol. For sure a bit of time needs to be spent to get the right/best, right colour, style, etc fit otherwise its like wasting money anyway but yeah some women do go overboard which can be a pain if with them.

Well the girl being manipulative is a character flaw (for her though I guess she see it as a useful way of getting what she wants and as from a poor background is no doubt useful to her - she may even see it as am attribute). I think you're right this can't be fixed but I could deal with it better by being aware of it and not being taken in with it, sane with the materialism not being taken in with it and saying no.

I think I've got some time to see if there is a more right choice out there for me. I think most people would have trust & honesty on their list (yep I remember you saying about writing a private list ;) ) but I thin I didn't realize at the beginning of this search how important 'trust & honesty' was. I think part of the problem up till now has been that I haven't really that clued up on what I wanted/would best suit me to put down on that list, this thread has helped to sort that out for me :) The first girl I didn't even know she was into ballet, opera, etc (at least not that much) until after we had decided to meet up and had made arrangements. I should have of course gone into that more heavily before hand, but I guess at least the experience was useful we had a nice time together and it was interesting to see the performing art scene in an area well known for it at least just once. Now though I am more focused and feel I can do better at this, many thanks Bill :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 17, 2018, 06:52:00 PM
Trench you're going about it the wrong way..who cares about these girls' shopping habits. that's the last thing you need to think about. can you even have a conversation with them? or hang out with them and have fun.  that's what you gotta ask yourself. or are you boring in real life too.

You spent an awful long time doing this without much luck.  Reality is you gotta try something different.  Go hit the gym and get in shape.  Other than money what do you offer them?  Cause if that's all there is they'll be gone as soon as the money runs out.

It's all about how we suit each other Sting. Yes of course I can have a conversation with them, both the first girl and the last girl I did and we had good times together. The first girl was better on conversation (in part as her English was near perfect). Am I boring? I think most people can be boring if they don't align well to the other person. I'm not the greatest entertainer but I try to enjoy the moment if there is a moment to enjoy.

I haven't really spent a lot of time doing this at all, I mean actually doing it. I've spent a fair while on here and doing research on the internet on You Tube, reading websites & books, etc. This I find very useful so I (hopefully) have more of a clue and not just going out there wasting time, effort & money making mistakes I could have learnt how to avoid on here and aimlessly looking in all the wrong places. I'm looking to improve in all areas so am always doing work on these but I think the case is really finding the right girl that best suits my criteria.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 17, 2018, 09:02:54 PM


I haven't really spent a lot of time doing this at all, I mean actually doing it. I've spent a fair while on here and doing research on the internet on You Tube, reading websites & books, etc. This I find very useful so I (hopefully) have more of a clue and not just going out there wasting time, effort & money making mistakes I could have learnt how to avoid on here and aimlessly looking in all the wrong places. I'm looking to improve in all areas so am always doing work on these but I think the case is really finding the right girl that best suits my criteria.

Forget all the reading and stuff man. just go out there and meet girls and talk to them.  Some won't give 2 bits about you. Others will be lukewarm. some will like you.
"best suits my criteria"..only problem is if she doesn't like you then it's game over.  We've all been there. you like a girl but she doesn't like you.  Or vice versa.

So both people have to make it work.  At this point you're better off to take a month vacation.  Go to Moscow or St Petersburg and hang out, hit the bars or events and chat up the girls. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: ML on March 17, 2018, 09:12:27 PM
  Go to Moscow or St Petersburg and hang out, hit the bars or events and chat up the girls.

Good way to waste a lot of time and money.

Instead, draw up a battle plan. 
Contact a thousand gals in a large city or area using 3-4 monthly pay dating websites.
Screen them down to a dozen or so. 
Set up dates with them before you even arrive.
Arrive and start working through them.
Might not find the one . . . but you will have had dates with 12 gals rather than aimlessly walking the streets.
You will have gained a lot of experience which will help you the next time around; if you need a next time.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 17, 2018, 10:05:59 PM
Good way to waste a lot of time and money.

Instead, draw up a battle plan. 
Contact a thousand gals in a large city or area using 3-4 monthly pay dating websites.
Screen them down to a dozen or so. 
Set up dates with them before you even arrive.
Arrive and start working through them.
Might not find the one . . . but you will have had dates with 12 gals rather than aimlessly walking the streets.
You will have gained a lot of experience which will help you the next time around; if you need a next time.

Everyone here has told him to do that a hundred times or more.  He doesn't want to or won't do it.  Won't message or Skype them.  I have little faith he can set up a date at home.  So he needs a new approach.  Just wing it and see what happens!  at least he'll improve his social skills.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: JayH on March 18, 2018, 12:26:28 AM
!  at least he'll improve his social skills.


Nah -- he will probably get arrested for loitering !
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 18, 2018, 01:46:23 AM
Forget all the reading and stuff man. just go out there and meet girls and talk to them.  Some won't give 2 bits about you. Others will be lukewarm. some will like you.
"best suits my criteria"..only problem is if she doesn't like you then it's game over.  We've all been there. you like a girl but she doesn't like you.  Or vice versa.

So both people have to make it work.  At this point you're better off to take a month vacation.  Go to Moscow or St Petersburg and hang out, hit the bars or events and chat up the girls.

You are generally right with what you day here Sting and it is the stage I am at present. My plan was to do a long stay of at least a month in St. Pete's or Moscow. However, the whole Russia scandal makes Russia a more risky option. If it leads to visas being revoked at some point in the future then it's going to up the difficulty & cost substantially of getting something together with a said bird in the future.

I also won be ready to do a long stay until late summer because the finances aren't there. Essentially I am likely to be able to return to my job on return but it is not entirely assured so I don't want to risk it without a fallback in place of independent income of a decent amount. I am though at the stage where I wish to get out there much sooner. So two weeks will have to suffice around late May as the best I can do, any shorter would be pointless as I agree that a 7 day to sort out a relationship is a grasp especially for me I think as I don't think it would do me no favours.

So the location has changed as I briefly mentioned in another thread. Even applying for visas is something I have little time on my hands to do at the moment what with work and all. Poland is looking like an option I would like to explore. It's in the EU so does away with visas & immigration mule issues. It's even nearer to the UK and it's a reasonably cheap destination since I don't believe they use the Euro either. Crucially the women are brought up there with a similar mindset to the Russians/Ukrainians etc with regards to the status of men, wanting family and being feminine towards men :) I'm thinking like you say if I hit on a load of women there that show attraction towards me I could potentially source our a good one that is not way of my criteria.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 18, 2018, 01:58:19 AM
Good way to waste a lot of time and money.

Instead, draw up a battle plan. 
Contact a thousand gals in a large city or area using 3-4 monthly pay dating websites.
Screen them down to a dozen or so. 
Set up dates with them before you even arrive.
Arrive and start working through them.
Might not find the one . . . but you will have had dates with 12 gals rather than aimlessly walking the streets.
You will have gained a lot of experience which will help you the next time around; if you need a next time.

That's a great strategy for those if us retired ML ;D

Seriously, I would literally have to give up work to have the time to do that. It's like what agency scammers do but in reverse i.e writing as their job, lol. I would probably be best of outsourcing such a task at least until the Skype stage and work even cuts me short in time for that at the moment. I'm not adverse to a little internet preparation as a fall back but I think hitting the bars & streets is probably my best option. I don't mind hitting on women if I know there is a decent likelihoid that they will be receptive & not awkward to chat up. UK women are veryyyy awkward & difficult to chat to, they are not adverse to rudely humiliating the guy even if they like him! Feminism has caused a lot of difficulty between men and women here. In the FSU of course it is different and they are usually fare more welcoming of an approach so I should be fine :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Jumper on March 18, 2018, 08:55:24 AM
More recently with all the stuff been going on between UK & Russia I've been thinking Poland might be worth checking out, its in the EU so easy to get to, some of the women there look hot and it removes any immigration mule issue for the UK at least. While women may not be as numerous as Russia/Ukraine, etc its still more than the UK and the upbringing crucially is still better - more like Russian/Ukrainian values. So if I find one that is into me I'm thinking its worth a shot.

Poland has plenty of beautiful women.
The culture is a bit different and religion is primarily Roman Catholic.
Like most cultures they will marry within their own.
No need  or want for most to relocate,
  Chicago region (where I'm from)  has millions of polish. Likely more open to mixing up dating outside of another pole, than those in Poland,  so just go to Chicago TC. :offtopic:
Added advantage is all the other Lithuanian, Latvian, Serbian, croation, Russian, Ukrainian ,Uzbek, Estonian, etc etc etc.( there are more Lithuanians in my subdivision,and the two adjacent ones,than anywhere else in the USA.)

I always thought London was pretty diverse as well? I wouldn't exclude places in your search.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Jumper on March 18, 2018, 09:25:46 AM
You do realize you are making some stereotype of feminism at home,while somehow ignoring the very strong Soviet culture and influence was women completely immeresed  in the work force, and running the household as well ;)

Anyway, I did not date women that would fret chipping their nail polish.Thats entirely incompatible for me. I need a bit of a tomboy.
That eliminated the bulk of the FSU female population under 50yo.
 :ROFL:
And I knew this very well. I knew the odds were already long,and my own stipulations  would make them longer.
I did not care if I found *her* there or not, or in what time frame .

Now other men would not like a tomboy at all, and in fact search in the  fsu for that perfectly manicured fashionista barbie doll that is impecabbly dressed to go to the corner market.This look may take 3 hours to accomplish though, so there can be downsides. I know many of them and they are interesting , smart women.But  that doesn't mean compatible.


So it's vitally important you know what is compatable  in your life.
I agree with bill that there is no need to share it,  but you do need to know what it is you are looking  for.
There is no need to hit it off with a girl that ultimately wouldn't suit you,even if you suit her.

There is zero,I mean zero reason, to look outside your own city, if you are not going to be very selective and at least attempt to look for true compatibility.

Wandering about with no real idea other than a vague - She should be nice, honest etc- is not a good reason to look beyond your twenty block area.

So-

Do, or do not,there is no try.
Yoda.

 :ROFL:

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: ML on March 18, 2018, 10:12:33 AM
Chicago region (where I'm from)  has millions of polish. Likely more open to mixing up dating outside of another pole, than those in Poland,  so just go to Chicago.
Added advantage is all the other Lithuanian, Latvian, Serbian, Croation, Russian, Ukrainian, Uzbek, Estonian, etc etc etc.( there are more Lithuanians in my subdivision,and the two adjacent ones,than anywhere else in the USA.)

Given the prevailing thought on beauty of EE women . . . then some areas of Chicago should be known nation wide for their women.

But I actually haven't heard any talk in that regard.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 18, 2018, 10:48:30 AM
Poland has plenty of beautiful women.
The culture is a bit different and religion is primarily Roman Catholic.
Like most cultures they will marry within their own.
No need  or want for most to relocate
,
  Chicago region (where I'm from)  has millions of polish. Likely more open to mixing up dating outside of another pole, than those in Poland,  so just go to Chicago TC. :offtopic:
Added advantage is all the other Lithuanian, Latvian, Serbian, croation, Russian, Ukrainian ,Uzbek, Estonian, etc etc etc.( there are more Lithuanians in my subdivision,and the two adjacent ones,than anywhere else in the USA.)

I always thought London was pretty diverse as well? I wouldn't exclude places in your search.

Granted that may be a bit of an issue, the Polish that are already here came after Poland joined the EU and they gained access across our borders - they essentially often came with their guys or mainly exist within the Polish community and just date within that community (hence the would be immigration mules). There are loads of Poles here, some might be on western online dating sites but they are then open to all comers which for men is very many men to compete with, so pointless back to keyboard spamming.

Going over there to date for sure there is the local dating thing. I essentially would be looking for a girl that is unattached and appears to have chemistry with me to carry the day. Being a foreigner might come with some allure and I hear many Polish girls do not find their men folk that attractive. On the living abroad front I can do it for a long while in the future but I would want to come back home for decent amount of stays every so often to be around family (I have no children of my own though) and to sort out business here. So perhaps essentially doing two or three months at a time then coming back here for a week or two.

I would need to secure an independent source of income first which I can achieve later this year. On the plus side flights from the UK are cheap, just around £100 there & back and its only just over a two hour flight :D So long as the girl doesn't  get any entrenched views as to me being there every day of the year it could well work out I'm thinking. If she becomes open to living in the UK then all jolly good.

The culture being more in tune to ours I think may also make the relationship easier as less chance of cultural misunderstandings. The women their though are apparently family orientated so that is what I am after. I'm not Catholic but there is some of that in our family way back from a few of my ancestors. Probably easier to understand than Orthodox religion so as long as the girl is not a real heavy bible basher I would do what's needed so long as she didn't expect me to attend Church regularly. I thinking it may be the best option for me.   
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 18, 2018, 10:55:47 AM
Given the prevailing thought on beauty of EE women . . . then some areas of Chicago should be known nation wide for their women.

But I actually haven't heard any talk in that regard.

I'm not totally up on Chicago but my limited understanding is that this grouping goes back quite some way now to the late 1800's. So not like the more recent immigration we have seen in the UK in the last couple of decades. My guess is that its either all filtered out over time through regional genetic change or maybe even a different group of people all together given the history of the 20th century and the wars & population loss and movements in Eastern Europe since then.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: alex330 on March 18, 2018, 10:59:03 AM
Given the prevailing thought on beauty of EE women . . . then some areas of Chicago should be known nation wide for their women.


You must have not ever visited the beautiful South-side of Chi-town on a warm summer night. Women strolling down the sidewalks in their short shorts. You are really missing out...
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: mendeleyev on March 18, 2018, 11:19:14 AM
There you go again ;) . Solidarity with the expelled Brits?

In my own defence, they are some of the best neighbours! Very colourful at parties.  8)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 18, 2018, 11:33:49 AM



Trench, some people believe you need to make a list of the type of woman you want and go get her. The list won't help you. You should mold yourself into a man that is appealing to women. Once you're appealing to women, you can attract women anywhere in the world. You will have a variety of women to choose from and can select from the lot. If you can attract just 10% of the women out there, you will be a very busy man. Write 100 women and 10 of those women would want to date you. Write a 1000 women and 100 women would want to date you. Surely out of a hundred, you're going to find a few gems. Then the question becomes can you keep a gem for yourself. If you're not attracting women or only insincere women, you're doing something wrong and need to make changes.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Jumper on March 18, 2018, 12:04:20 PM
Given the prevailing thought on beauty of EE women . . . then some areas of Chicago should be known nation wide for their women.

But I actually haven't heard any talk in that regard.

I agree i havnt heard such.

But most anyone who has spent time on the magnificent mile, the lake shore,or the north side would tell you there is no shortage at all of attractive women.
(Nor is at all uncommon to hear Russian ,and polish is quite prevalent, and yes they are known locally as typically beautiful and for dressing hot.)
The west side had Ukrainian village for a long time,with a ton of signs in Cyrillic. About 300  thousand Ukrainians.
They tended to distrust outsiders even though the girls where known for their beauty. You can find a lot if models originally from chi towns burbs, and often eastern European decent.
Ukrainian village changed in recent years and many relocated,but there are still a lot and specific Russian goods stores are common place on the west and north sides.
 You go into any known label name store downtown, and the girl working is very likely to be fsu, or fsu decent,and a big percentage of the shoppers
.you won't go to such and not hear russian or not notice attractive women speaking it..
Well known here much like NYCs  club scene.

I certainly dated them.locally.Bringing a Slavic woman here is like bringing sand to the beach.while I've done so, it's a tad silly.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Jumper on March 18, 2018, 12:34:06 PM


Trench, some people believe you need to make a list of the type of woman you want and go get her. The list won't help you. You should mold yourself into a man that is appealing to women. Once you're appealing to women, you can attract women anywhere in the world. You will have a variety of women to choose from and can select from the lot. If you can attract just 10% of the women out there, you will be a very busy man. Write 100 women and 10 of those women would want to date you. Write a 1000 women and 100 women would want to date you. Surely out of a hundred, you're going to find a few gems. Then the question becomes can you keep a gem for yourself. If you're not attracting women or only insincere women, you're doing something wrong and need to make changes.

Agree. That is step one.

But there is something to be said for also knowing what he wants or is compatible  with.
When he has choices,if he doesn't know what  he wants , it will do him little  real good.
He can be a kid in the candy store,and never choose.
He can have 100 beautiful smart women interested him and pick 99 that arnt truly compatible.

You cannot find something specific, if you don't have clarity on what it is you are looking for.

This would  also tie into being a man, THAT type of woman would be interested in, I think that's already assumed and implied.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on March 18, 2018, 01:02:47 PM
So both people have to make it work.  At this point you're better off to take a month
vacation.  Go to Moscow or St Petersburg and hang out, hit the bars or events and
chat up the girls.

That might work somewhat for the younger guys, but the only thing I
found in bars the last 10+ years were bar flies. I've had better luck
asking the girl in line at the super market.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 18, 2018, 01:11:22 PM
But there is something to be said for also knowing what he wants or is compatible  with.



Trench has said what he's looking for in a girl many times here and he has an idea on what kind of girl he's compatible with. Loneliness will be his primary companion for the bulk of his life if he doesn't make some changes. He can write a list and the more he writes what he wants out of a woman, the more he increases the chances of finding nobody. If he's not desirable to women, his list better be very short. Beggars can't be choosers.


Some guys know what they want but don't know what they need until they meet her. Trench needs to go out and socialize with tons of women. After communicating and dating with many, he will realize which of the many women available to him is best to spend his life with. If he finds that woman and is able to keep her, he will understand how wrong he's been for so long in the past.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on March 18, 2018, 01:38:52 PM
That's a great strategy for those if us retired ML ;D

Seriously, I would literally have to give up work to have the time to do that. It's like what agency scammers do but in reverse i.e writing as their job, lol. I would probably be best of outsourcing such a task at least until the Skype stage and work even cuts me short in time for that at the moment. I'm not adverse to a little internet preparation as a fall back but I think hitting the bars & streets is probably my best option. I don't mind hitting on women if I know there is a decent likelihoid that they will be receptive & not awkward to chat up.

You don't seem to have the desire to outsource (Eduard does this) but I think
if you picked a city and then wrote to every girl that you found attractive that
didn't have something that disqualified her (like 8 kids or smokes three packs
a day in her profile) and asked her to meet you for tea or coffee and see how
many responded a week before your trip. You can easily send out a few hundred
form letters in a couple of days.

You should get enough responses that you can start setting up dates. Then
you can determine if you have chemistry and interest or not. Don't make a
second date with any girl who you don't think has a very high chance of
being "the one"

I don't know your level of Russian, but I suspect that you will find it difficult on
the street. However, I would recommend talking up any sales gal, waitress, etc 
that you got a good vibe from.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: JayH on March 18, 2018, 02:35:12 PM
That might work somewhat for the younger guys, but the only thing I
found in bars the last 10+ years were bar flies. I've had better luck
asking the girl in line at the super market.

I agree with this.
2T raises a good point --- the supermarket can be an amazing resource.
I have made the point repeatedly in the past --and this is sort of what Sting was saying --get out and about -- do normal things that the locals do. Interaction can lead somewhere.

I have made the point about staying and eating where other people are -- and not stuck in an apartment cooking and washing clothes etc.
The person or people you meet may not be prospective partners -- but their relatives,friends etc could be !!


Note :   my comments here are for general consumption -- NOT the op in this thread .
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 18, 2018, 07:13:04 PM

Trench has said what he's looking for in a girl many times here and he has an idea on what kind of girl he's compatible with. Loneliness will be his primary companion for the bulk of his life if he doesn't make some changes. He can write a list and the more he writes what he wants out of a woman, the more he increases the chances of finding nobody. If he's not desirable to women, his list better be very short. Beggars can't be choosers.


Some guys know what they want but don't know what they need until they meet her. Trench needs to go out and socialize with tons of women. After communicating and dating with many, he will realize which of the many women available to him is best to spend his life with. If he finds that woman and is able to keep her, he will understand how wrong he's been for so long in the past.

Well after looking on the internet etc I have found like most FSW that Polish women are looking for a provider, I could be that provider :D They are also looking for a LTR that could lead to marriage/family - children, etc. That is also what I am after. Aside from that women have taken interest in me before in the past in the UK but the women here are not the easiest to get with, problems caused by feminism etc. I don't know if I could succeed for sure with a Polish girl, but it is something I would like to look into.

Apparently Polish guys are more wealthier than say Ukrainian men on the whole but they too have problems with drinking, providing, desirability, etc. I think by eventually being able to live of an independent income I could fulfil the provider role quite well. Like you say Billy essentially I think I am going to have to go over to Poland and see what I can learn. I will also try to message a few girls on on the internet from Poland to see what I can learn in the meanwhile. There is also the Baltic States and they could be worth looking into a little also. I think I can only but try at this venture.

Are these former Eastern Bloc countries the way to go for me and perhaps others on here? Who knows. I know I am swapping a few issues of dating Ukrainian/Russian women etc with issues of dating an East European, EU girl. I think though on balance though that these different issues I can work with. I don't know for sure but I think I can get a girl where here moving to western society is not part of the package - so long as she has been brought up traditionally in a non feminist society. I think its worth a shot!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: alex330 on March 18, 2018, 08:26:12 PM
My first flight the Ukraine I flew LOT Airlines through Warsaw. I sat next to an older heavyset man who had a girlfriend in Poland. He was Polish himself, lived in the US and liked to pound vodka. Said it was better to fly out for the girls.

I do know that many Poles are less and less inviting to foreigners these days. Especially if they are not Caucasian. The biggest and meanest hooligans are Polish.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 18, 2018, 09:33:37 PM
My first flight the Ukraine I flew LOT Airlines through Warsaw. I sat next to an older heavyset man who had a girlfriend in Poland. He was Polish himself, lived in the US and liked to pound vodka. Said it was better to fly out for the girls.

I do know that many Poles are less and less inviting to foreigners these days. Especially if they are not Caucasian. The biggest and meanest hooligans are Polish.


Yeah, I've heard similar that the Polish girls are best picked of the tree as it were rather than getting them from the barrel. The country being Catholic and their family upbringing mean that they have family values instilled in them and are often restricted from running too astray. However, the ones that move abroad this breaks down pretty quickly. The Polish guy I knew specifically blamed English society for his girl picking up bad habits & values and that was before he's relationship went seriously south with her (according to him she was quite pretty) and I don't doubt him. So my making myself to living over there is not necessarily a bad thing really, no point bringing a girl back here and having her screwed up in a short time by English society. I know some Polish may be less inviting to foreigners these days but I', just going to have to keep hitting on girls and just find the ones that are open to foreign guys, with many Polish having gone to the UK I'm guessing they won't feel to badly towards us, I hope :-\ Also, I'm Caucasian so no worries there ;D
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 18, 2018, 10:01:42 PM
There's lots of Polish people in London... Poland is part of the EU so they can go to other EU countries to work easily.  Don't know about the UK now with Brexit.

Trench you are better off going to London to find an EE girl.  Last hotel I stayed in London there were a few Romanian girls working there. Had a nice chat with one.  But same thing, they are now part of the EU so they don't need you.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 18, 2018, 10:03:48 PM

Nah -- he will probably get arrested for loitering !

Haha!  i just hope he doesn't do like his namesake and wear an actual trenchcoat. that would be super creepy..
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 18, 2018, 10:08:02 PM

I have made the point repeatedly in the past --and this is sort of what Sting was saying --get out and about -- do normal things that the locals do. Interaction can lead somewhere.

I have made the point about staying and eating where other people are --


this should be the mindset whenever you travel.  Just talk to people and see what happens.  I make it a point to talk to guys and girls.  If you act normal and friendly usually people will reciprocate.  I've been invited to dinner or drinks on the street by strangers simply by talking to them.  they know you are a tourist, speak English. If you are a nice guy they'll want to know more.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 19, 2018, 12:20:57 AM
That might work somewhat for the younger guys, but the only thing I
found in bars the last 10+ years were bar flies. I've had better luck
asking the girl in line at the super market.

Quite..

Sting23's 'advice' is as scary as Trench's ....
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 19, 2018, 12:31:44 AM
Trench BS warning

they essentially often came with their guys or mainly exist within the Polish community and just date within that community (hence the would be immigration mules).

There has been two waves of PL immigration in the. UK

At the end of WW2..when 'winning' the war meant they couldn't go home..as their land was still occupied

When PL joined the EU.

There were and are  loads of single, attractive Polish lasses who were quite happy to date outside their community.

More clueless,  paranoid, rascist bollox from Trench
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: mhr7 on March 19, 2018, 12:41:04 AM
That's a great strategy for those if us retired ML ;D

Seriously, I would literally have to give up work to have the time to do that. It's like what agency scammers do but in reverse i.e writing as their job, lol. I would probably be best of outsourcing such a task at least until the Skype stage and work even cuts me short in time for that at the moment. I'm not adverse to a little internet preparation as a fall back but I think hitting the bars & streets is probably my best option. I don't mind hitting on women if I know there is a decent likelihoid that they will be receptive & not awkward to chat up. UK women are veryyyy awkward & difficult to chat to, they are not adverse to rudely humiliating the guy even if they like him! Feminism has caused a lot of difficulty between men and women here. In the FSU of course it is different and they are usually fare more welcoming of an approach so I should be fine :)

The majority of women in the UK don't consider themselves a feminist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nearly-1-in-5-people-in-the-uk-think-being-called-a-feminist-is-an-insult-a6728446.html

You need to start looking within instead of giving excuses.

Like a Russian ex of mine used to say, "either do or don't do". Stop talkng, start doing.

Are you sure this is for you? I've never been with one but I suspect that Russian women are more challanging than British women.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 02:23:50 AM
There were and are  loads of single, attractive Polish lasses who were quite happy to date outside their community.

Yes and the ones that were did the same as all the UK girls if they were pretty they knew what they were worth and went after the best deal going. That or they went on websites like Match and got inundated with guys messaging them and hence became very choosy. Or they became career girls and got career obsessed. Believe me once they are here they are no good like all the UK girls, they become spoilt goods very quickly.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 02:51:33 AM
Trench you are better off going to London to find an EE girl.  Last hotel I stayed in London there were a few Romanian girls working there. Had a nice chat with one.  But same thing, they are now part of the EU so they don't need you.

Well you're right in the not needing me to go where they like in the EU. I'm guessing for the meanwhile most that wanted to get into the UK have already done so and those that do after we leave Brexit possibly might still do through close family members. They could still go elsewhere in the EU at any rate. So as said I am not relying on importation rights at all but on getting a girl from a good background that has been brought up proper and not spoiled. Yes they can be pleasant enough but once here they have many options - being a Canadian (or US guys) you still have the importation aspect of course and perhaps some allure as a foreign guy. What I am banking on is getting a quality woman in Poland who might have not considered getting with a foreign guy - at least not until the opportunity presents itself, i.e Me :D

It could well be that a Polish girl will often accept the status quo of the 'your living here, life is fine here and this is what is available'. However,  faced with the proster of a foreign guy placed in front of her if he peeks her interest she might start to re-evaluate. She may or may not want to move (or at least not straight away) but if the guy is willing to live there, has independent income, etc then this may well suit her. I may be wrong on this but I think it's worth a venture out there to check out the scene :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 03:18:24 AM
The majority of women in the UK don't consider themselves a feminist.

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/home-news/nearly-1-in-5-people-in-the-uk-think-being-called-a-feminist-is-an-insult-a6728446.html

You need to start looking within instead of giving excuses.

Like a Russian ex of mine used to say, "either do or don't do". Stop talkng, start doing.

Are you sure this is for you? I've never been with one but I suspect that Russian women are more challanging than British women.

I've no doubt they don't consider themselves feminists but belive me they are undoubtedly influenced/socialised by feminism. You can be influenced during upbringing and during life by the way society is around you without even noticing it - to you it is normal and normal societal values.

For example some people say that society in the UK was better before Thatcher, that under & after Thatcher people looked out for themselves and it wasn't like that before, people considered each other. Now I wouldn't know since Thatcher was the first PM I every recall being aware off.

Girl's in school nowadays get told all about careers open to them. They get told it is important that they put consideraton into careers since it is what they will have to rely on. Have done since at least the early 90s. No longer are they told to concentrate on domestic duties and learning to get themselves a good husband like in the 50s. Just look at the old b&w news reals on you tube from back then of what women did at school - cooking, baking, ironing, etc.

Women may well be feminist in outlook but find it an insult to be called a feminist since they want to have their cake and eat it. They probably don't even realise their outlook is feminist. Then want access to the same careers as men but don't see the downside to society in this. They see feminist values as normal values not the femimist values that they are. To them these days a feminist is seen as an almost lesbian extremist but nearly all women in the UK subscribe to these values. They just feel they are entitled to what feminists demand but are not feminists in expecting such.

Russian women can be challenging but at heart they have the right traditional values that English women do not. They are also more available than English women. Possibly my venture into Poland may bear fruit since they seem not to be as rigid in thought process as Russian women and are perhaps a bit softer. They also tend to have a good work ethic which of course is no bad thing either.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 19, 2018, 03:23:46 AM
Second Trench BS warning of the day

Yes and the ones that were did the same as all the UK girls if they were pretty they knew what they were worth and went after the best deal going. That or they went on websites like Match and got inundated with guys messaging them and hence became very choosy. Or they became career girls and got career obsessed. Believe me once they are here they are no good like all the UK girls, they become spoilt goods very quickly.

Trench, not all lasses felt the need to market themselves in such a a way .. They found work, made friends and guys approached them

Above, was simply more of your 'excuses' ..There are those who make excuses and those that do ..

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 19, 2018, 03:27:47 AM
So what, exactly, do you have to offer a traditional, pretty girl?  A traditional woman wants a real man, not someone who is wishy washy.  She wants a man who is going to support her financially. 

Poland has had 3 female prime ministers.  Is that "traditional"?  Sixty per cent of the students in Polish universities are female.  Is that "traditional"?

Here is a protest against the Polish government's decision to introduce a law banning abortion, organized by "traditional" Polish women -


(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f5d17d98cda1de00c74a6a78655daa66893aec74/0_269_4096_2458/master/4096.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=38093d1fa925164ee3832fa85764b975)



I agree with mhr7.  I also think what you are looking for, and the fact that you post that you want this all solely on your terms, suggests you need to do some work on yourself before you seek a partner.


Girl's in school nowadays get told all about careers open to them. They get told it is important that they put consideraton into careers since it is what they will have to rely on. Have done since at least the early 90s. No longer are they told to concentrate on domestic duties and learning to get themselves a good husband like in the 50s. Just look at the old b&w news reals on you tube from back then of what women did at school - cooking, baking, ironing, etc.

Growing up, my mother told me to get educated and have a job, to never rely on anyone else to support me financially.  I provided that same advice to our daughter. 

In the 1950's, women worked, but they didn't have the options men did, in terms of choice.  That is what feminism is about. 

You actually do want a feminist wife, because you want her to work outside the home to support the family.  You just want to control the type of work she does, and that she take care of you, first and foremost.  That's not my idea of marriage.  As I asked you before, what are you offering her in this arrangement?

Quote
Women may well be feminist in outlook but find it an insult to be called a feminist since they want to have their cake and eat it. They probably don't even realise their outlook is feminist. Then want access to the same careers as men but don't see the downside to society in this. They see feminist values as normal values not the femimist values that they are. To them these days a feminist is seen as an almost lesbian extremist but nearly all women in the UK subscribe to these values. They just feel they are entitled to what feminists demand but are not feminists in expecting such.

Society is structured in such a way that relatively few women have the option but to work.  A man has to be very successful financially for a woman not to have to work.  Furthermore, intelligent women eventually will be bored without a career. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 05:20:49 AM
So what, exactly, do you have to offer a traditional, pretty girl?  A traditional woman wants a real man, not someone who is wishy washy.  She wants a man who is going to support her financially. 

Poland has had 3 female prime ministers.  Is that "traditional"?  Sixty per cent of the students in Polish universities are female.  Is that "traditional"?

Here is a protest against the Polish government's decision to introduce a law banning abortion, organized by "traditional" Polish women -


(http://i.guim.co.uk/img/media/f5d17d98cda1de00c74a6a78655daa66893aec74/0_269_4096_2458/master/4096.jpg?w=300&q=55&auto=format&usm=12&fit=max&s=38093d1fa925164ee3832fa85764b975)



I agree with mhr7.  I also think what you are looking for, and the fact that you post that you want this all solely on your terms, suggests you need to do some work on yourself before you seek a partner.


Growing up, my mother told me to get educated and have a job, to never rely on anyone else to support me financially.  I provided that same advice to our daughter. 

In the 1950's, women worked, but they didn't have the options men did, in terms of choice.  That is what feminism is about. 

You actually do want a feminist wife, because you want her to work outside the home to support the family.  You just want to control the type of work she does, and that she take care of you, first and foremost.  That's not my idea of marriage.  As I asked you before, what are you offering her in this arrangement?

Society is structured in such a way that relatively few women have the option but to work.  A man has to be very successful financially for a woman not to have to work.  Furthermore, intelligent women eventually will be bored without a career.

Back to the 'real man' hey ;D Well as BillyB says when you go for a FSW essentially you are going to be doing the work of two - to support yourself on the endeavour and then to support the women also. I thin though if the woman likes to spend out a bit the guy could be doing the work of three and that's without any children on the scene, lol.

You ask a very good question Boethius in terms of, 'what are you offering her in this arrangement?'

I know I have tried to answer this before and I can see now how each side may not be offering much in the arrangement. Mainly because as you have stated each side wants it on there terms and most likely doesn't realise they are not offering much if anything in the arrangement. I think this can be the case for both the man and the woman and its also a case of having what each other is prepared to offer aligning. For example we have seen from some posters that a girl may not be willing to move from her home in St. Pete's, Moscow or wherever - some guys see this as if the girl was into them enough they would but is it just being a case of one side not offering what's needed or wanted. Other girls don't want the guy to visit them in there home city or as we have seen from wall refuse to live with a dog, etc.

Part of the reason for me working on securing an independent income is so I can be a bit more flexible in what I can offer a girl in the arrangement, but it is still of course down to what she wants. The last girl wanted to come to the UK but this I could not offer her without at first Marriage, she mistakenly thought I could just because she didn't understand the visa system wasn't as straight forward as written try as I might. So what ca I offer a girl from Poland that is into me:

- Ability to live there with her so she need not leave family behind. Most of my family do there own thing so it would be little different anyway so easier for me.

- Ability to provide for her. I would have independent income, not a lot but enough to live on especially if the pound rises in value in the future which it may do with interest rates on the way up and Brexit nearing conclusion. In addition I may be able to pick up work over time in Poland either in tourism or elsewhere where English is in demand.

- A home for her in the UK with me should she wish it.

- Love/A family all being well

- The woman would not have to work, but it would be more comfortable if she did at least in the short term if living in Poland while I found work, if in UK then no she would not have to work.

From what I have seen most Polish women's main concern is a provider. If I go in with independent income apparent then this can be reassuring for her. The only thing I want from her is that she puts out :D is into me, etc. I am again looking at girls in there early to mid thirties ideally who may be more focused on family, I hope. If she wishes to come to the UK then this is no problem for me as she could do anyway, I may be offering little in that regard but at least I know she is into me not using me solely as an immigration mule. Marriage I think I can do also but need to be sure her intentions are true and so I would not be rushing into anything. I think I can deal with the whole Marriage issue now :)

So I think for me Poland may suit me better as I think it will be easier to align with what each other want & have similar values and cultural understandings.

Now people keep saying to me to work on myself on here, I'm not really sure what they are expecting me to work on? I am who I am, if I see I can improve on something about me I try to do so. I'm not a real state or anything, I think somewhere like Poland I could be at least a reasonable prospect for a woman. So I think I am being more flexible than before since I didn't realise women would take up a particular stance on all this but I guess as the man does so does the woman. Do you now think this should be enough for many a woman?


By tradition I didn't mean real traditional just more family values and less of an influence of feminism. I've no problem with women doing what they like but real full on feminism seems to really screw up a society. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 19, 2018, 05:59:33 AM
I know I have tried to answer this before and I can see now how each side may not be offering much in the arrangement. Mainly because as you have stated each side wants it on there terms and most likely doesn't realise they are not offering much if anything in the arrangement.


I have never stated that.  What I have stated is that you have a list of the things you want, but you are failing to look at what you are offering a woman besides a British passport.

Quote


I think this can be the case for both the man and the woman and its also a case of having what each other is prepared to offer aligning. For example we have seen from some posters that a girl may not be willing to move from her home in St. Pete's, Moscow or wherever - some guys see this as if the girl was into them enough they would but is it just being a case of one side not offering what's needed or wanted. Other girls don't want the guy to visit them in there home city or as we have seen from wall refuse to live with a dog, etc.


None of which is relevant in having a successful long term marriage.  BTW, dollars to donuts the dog issue was a way of the woman telling him she was no longer interested in him.

Quote
Part of the reason for me working on securing an independent income is so I can be a bit more flexible in what I can offer a girl in the arrangement, but it is still of course down to what she wants. The last girl wanted to come to the UK but this I could not offer her without at first Marriage, she mistakenly thought I could just because she didn't understand the visa system wasn't as straight forward as written try as I might. So what ca I offer a girl from Poland that is into me:

- Ability to live there with her so she need not leave family behind. Most of my family do there own thing so it would be little different anyway so easier for me.

- Ability to provide for her. I would have independent income, not a lot but enough to live on especially if the pound rises in value in the future which it may do with interest rates on the way up and Brexit nearing conclusion. In addition I may be able to pick up work over time in Poland either in tourism or elsewhere where English is in demand.

- A home for her in the UK with me should she wish it.

- Love/A family all being well

- The woman would not have to work, but it would be more comfortable if she did at least in the short term if living in Poland while I found work, if in UK then no she would not have to work.


So basically, all the "airy fairy" stuff all men state.  All relatively useless. 


What do you want in life?  How is the woman going to fit in your life?

Quote
From what I have seen most Polish women's main concern is a provider. If I go in with independent income apparent then this can be reassuring for her. The only thing I want from her is that she puts out :D is into me, etc. I am again looking at girls in there early to mid thirties ideally who may be more focused on family, I hope. If she wishes to come to the UK then this is no problem for me as she could do anyway, I may be offering little in that regard but at least I know she is into me not using me solely as an immigration mule. Marriage I think I can do also but need to be sure her intentions are true and so I would not be rushing into anything. I think I can deal with the whole Marriage issue now :)


How are you going to have an independent income sufficient to support yourself, let alone a wife, in a country which is culturally alien to you and in which you do not speak the language?

Quote
So I think for me Poland may suit me better as I think it will be easier to align with what each other want & have similar values and cultural understandings.


What cultural understandings of Poland do you have? 

Quote
Now people keep saying to me to work on myself on here, I'm not really sure what they are expecting me to work on? I am who I am, if I see I can improve on something about me I try to do so. I'm not a real state or anything, I think somewhere like Poland I could be at least a reasonable prospect for a woman. So I think I am being more flexible than before since I didn't realise women would take up a particular stance on all this but I guess as the man does so does the woman. Do you now think this should be enough for many a woman?


I get the sense from your posts that you haven't focused on the core of who you are.  That is why your ideas of chasing a woman jump all over.  If you cannot be successful with women in your own country, you will not, long term, be successful abroad. 

Quote
By tradition I didn't mean real traditional just more family values and less of an influence of feminism. I've no problem with women doing what they like but real full on feminism seems to really screw up a society.


No it doesn't.  When FSUW ask me about WM, I always tell them to RUN if a WM says WW are all "feminists".  Because typically, this means a man is an a$$hole with misogynistic tendencies.


I actually don't think feminism is causing the decline of family values.  I think in the West, the issues are materialism, the "me" culture, and high levels of taxation, which make it difficult for the average family to live on one income.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 06:39:44 AM
So basically, all the "airy fairy" stuff all men state.  All relatively useless. 


What do you want in life?  How is the woman going to fit in your life?


How are you going to have an independent income sufficient to support yourself, let alone a wife, in a country which is culturally alien to you and in which you do not speak the language?


What cultural understandings of Poland do you have? 


I get the sense from your posts that you haven't focused on the core of who you are.  That is why your ideas of chasing a woman jump all over.  If you cannot be successful with women in your own country, you will not, long term, be successful abroad. 

I did'nt know the FSU real well when I started off on all of this, thus I had to find out what it was all about - that is why I have been jumping around a bit. Until I really knew what I was dealing with I didn't really know the best way about it all.

My cultural understanding of Poland comes from the Polish guy I used to work with and reading stuff online/in books and on the news & what people say. I've never been there so I need to go there to get a better idea (well I've transfered at Warsaw airport but that was it, lol). So perhaps a bit more learning to be done, but from what I have heard/found out I may be on better ground here.

So far my cultural understanding is that Poland is a Catholic country and as such has family values. The women are like most FSW after a guy that can provide for family. I have also heard they are feminine and not difficult like girls on the west. I have also heard that they are attractive and have big tits ;)

I want a woman I find attractive that I have chemistry with to make love to and have a family, children with. Preferably it would also be good if she had some sort of interests similar to my own or interests of hers I could partake in. So fairly moderate in her interests. That's it.

I didn't know what else a woman wants other than what I have suggested, what does she need? I don't see how providing for her etc is airy fairy or useless.

Quite simply I am going to rent out a couple of rooms in my house that I own, it needs some conversion/extention work first. From the rent money I get from this I can then spend that to live in a place in Poland and thus live of independent means :) I have no mortgage and some money in savings should I spend over, but I reckon I should have enough to cover rent, food & bills in Poland without needing work there. If I get a woman then presumably she would get some income there even if unemployed. I could pay for basic courtship stuff for her but much more than that then she would need to stump up or I would need a job over there. So I think that would be the case if kids came along. Odds are I could get work over time but not necessarily at the beginning. I'm judging that Poland will be slightly easier to get work in than Russia/Ukraine as it's a member of the EU for work rights/visas etc and it has close ties to the UK.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 19, 2018, 07:53:27 AM
better start learning Polish then!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 09:04:43 AM
better start learning Polish then!

Just bought a Polish phrase book :D
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 19, 2018, 09:25:47 AM
Just bought a Polish phrase book :D


If a guy wants to be successful with Polish women or any woman, he needs to only learn two words, "Yes Dear!" in their language and his woman will have a happy marriage and put up with him a little longer.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 19, 2018, 10:14:24 AM
I did'nt know the FSU real well when I started off on all of this, thus I had to find out what it was all about - that is why I have been jumping around a bit. Until I really knew what I was dealing with I didn't really know the best way about it all.


You still don't.

Quote
My cultural understanding of Poland comes from the Polish guy I used to work with and reading stuff online/in books and on the news & what people say. I've never been there so I need to go there to get a better idea (well I've transfered at Warsaw airport but that was it, lol). So perhaps a bit more learning to be done, but from what I have heard/found out I may be on better ground here.


There is virtually no difference between Polish culture and Ukrainian culture.  I'd say one difference is that Poles' opinion of themselves is, historically, higher than Ukrainians' opinions of themselves, probably because Poland was, for centuries, an empire.

Quote
I want a woman I find attractive that I have chemistry with to make love to and have a family, children with. Preferably it would also be good if she had some sort of interests similar to my own or interests of hers I could partake in. So fairly moderate in her interests. That's it.


Not exactly the stuff long term successful marriages are made of. 
Quote
I didn't know what else a woman wants other than what I have suggested, what does she need? I don't see how providing for her etc is airy fairy or useless.


It is airy fairy because it is basic.  It's not about how you relate to a woman on a day to day basis.

Quote
Quite simply I am going to rent out a couple of rooms in my house that I own, it needs some conversion/extention work first. From the rent money I get from this I can then spend that to live in a place in Poland and thus live of independent means.  I have no mortgage and some money in savings should I spend over, but I reckon I should have enough to cover rent, food & bills in Poland without needing work there. If I get a woman then presumably she would get some income there even if unemployed. I could pay for basic courtship stuff for her but much more than that then she would need to stump up or I would need a job over there. So I think that would be the case if kids came along. Odds are I could get work over time but not necessarily at the beginning. I'm judging that Poland will be slightly easier to get work in than Russia/Ukraine as it's a member of the EU for work rights/visas etc and it has close ties to the UK.


So are you hiring a manager to collect rents, deal with failure to pay rent when you're abroad, deal with anything that breaks down in the home when you're gone, etc.?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 10:15:12 AM
If a guy wants to be successful with Polish women or any woman, he needs to only learn two words, "Yes Dear!" in their language and his woman will have a happy marriage and put up with him a little longer.

True, I get the impression Russian/Ukrainian women tend to get quite dictatorial with their men. I think this becomes a lot of the problem WM come up against and torpedoes many an international relationship. Polish women like many women on the quiet no doubt have their own similar take on this. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 19, 2018, 10:19:25 AM
True, I get the impression Russian/Ukrainian women tend to get quite dictatorial with their men.
From my observation of hundreds of relationships, I don't think this is true.  FSUW largely control family finances, but FSUM are not shrinking violets.  Women there are more likely to be dictatorial if their husbands drink.


PS - You may wish to read about Lord Marlborough.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: lyndontom on March 19, 2018, 11:16:18 AM
Yes and the ones that were did the same as all the UK girls if they were pretty they knew what they were worth and went after the best deal going. That or they went on websites like Match and got inundated with guys messaging them and hence became very choosy. Or they became career girls and got career obsessed. Believe me once they are here they are no good like all the UK girls, they become spoilt goods very quickly.


Again with the same negative mentality. I agree with the other posters here; you're going to have to work out what it is you're looking for and work on improving yourself and what you bring to the table. If you're paranoid and don't value what you can offer to any woman, will your future wife also understand her 'worth' shortly after arriving in the UK? Where will you look if that happens, to the next country down on the list?


Seriously, and it's not a jibe - I think with your outlook on life you'd be better suited to trying to find a partner in SE Asia - and even then there are no certainties in life.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 11:17:45 AM

You still don't.


There is virtually no difference between Polish culture and Ukrainian culture.  I'd say one difference is that Poles' opinion of themselves is, historically, higher than Ukrainians' opinions of themselves, probably because Poland was, for centuries, an empire.


Not exactly the stuff long term successful marriages are made of. 

It is airy fairy because it is basic.  It's not about how you relate to a woman on a day to day basis.


So are you hiring a manager to collect rents, deal with failure to pay rent when you're abroad, deal with anything that breaks down in the home when you're gone, etc.?

No need for me to hire a manager, I'm setting it up so it can run itself. I've put a key safe outside the door if they get locked out. Maintenance I can email a local tradesman for any job that can't wait for me to fix it. Rents will be collected by direct debit and I'll have a deposit so any shortfall I will have time to deal with. I'm looking to just rent out to students who are normally reliable with rents since an eviction would be disruptive for them. Like I say I would return to UK several times a year so I can sort out any problems then. With all the modern technology around these days it's very doable :)

Well it's not how I relate to the woman but a woman will look at different guys and realise 'ok I'm into these few guys here but of them only this or that guy can provide for me' She could still go off with a guy that can't provide but all the guys are 'true love' options so she'll likely go for a provider as that is apparently what they want. If the provider guy she is attracted too can't relate to her well she might reconsider her options.

I think how I relate to a woman will depend on that woman, if we don't relate well to each other then maybe it is best to find one I do, but that is the same for everyone. You for example may not like guys who you feel are mysoginistic, chauvanist, etc but some girls may not mind at all or may even like it. It all depends on finding the right one.

If you feel you know what else there is please feel free to enlighten?

Anyway, well a lot of Ukrainians go to Poland so who knows I may end up with a Ukrainian girl again. There probably are similarities there but there are no go doubt differences as well. The western part of Poland used to be Germanic as did the north. Poland has long since been Catholic not Orthodox and it is much farther in Europe & part of the EU. It's economy and society is wealthier due in large part to the several hundred billion of Euros the EU has pumped into it for infrastructure, etc. And many of its citizens work in the UK & send money home as even with the drop in the value of the pound the pound still buys more than the Polish currency. Poland us essentially a cheap production area for Europe,  has been since the late 80s but even more so today.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 19, 2018, 11:21:15 AM
Culturally, there is virtually no difference between Poles and Ukrainians.  They eat the same food.  They have the same attitudes.  I have seen this up close.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 11:23:58 AM

Again with the same negative mentality. I agree with the other posters here; you're going to have to work out what it is you're looking for and work on improving yourself and what you bring to the table. If you're paranoid and don't value what you can offer to any woman, will your future wife also understand her 'worth' shortly after arriving in the UK? Where will you look if that happens, to the next country down on the list?


Seriously, and it's not a jibe - I think with your outlook on life you'd be better suited to trying to find a partner in SE Asia - and even then there are no certainties in life.

You may end up being right in the SE Asia thing who knows. Well if I end up living in Poland then the UK thing is no worry. I think with the right woman, setting in the UK & at least a couple of kids in tow I would be alright. I'm not a complete non starter but I know my own country at least and the problems that exist in it. I know what happens relationship wise in the UK and how a woman abroad will often be better because of their different values towards family, etc.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 11:29:38 AM
Culturally, there is virtually no difference between Poles and Ukrainians.  They eat the same food.  They have the same attitudes.  I have seen this up close.

You may be pretty much right and this is no bad thing. I want a woman that wants a provider as it's territory I can fulfill. I want a woman that wants family/children as that is what I want too. The big difference is the UK immigration mule is not present with Polish women and that removes a big problem for me. True I don't have the UK passport to offer but ad I have explained I have othe things and if we relate well enough to each other then might do better by trying my luck in Poland.

I do think Poland's closer relationship to the UK means they understand us better or at least more about us though.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: lyndontom on March 19, 2018, 11:47:06 AM
You may end up being right in the SE Asia thing who knows. Well if I end up living in Poland then the UK thing is no worry. I think with the right woman, setting in the UK & at least a couple of kids in tow I would be alright. I'm not a complete non starter but I know my own country at least and the problems that exist in it. I know what happens relationship wise in the UK and how a woman abroad will often be better because of their different values towards family, etc.


I know my own country too and I know that there are good British and Polish women living here. My happily married friends and relatives with families around me confirm that. If you have dismissed them all as non-starters, the problem doesn't lie with them, but elsewhere and the solution is not found (easily, at least) by moving to another country.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 19, 2018, 12:27:09 PM
I get the impression Russian/Ukrainian women tend to get quite dictatorial with their men.


If you have your act together, women will be sweet with you. If you don't have your act together, they'll run you over.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 05:32:56 PM

I know my own country too and I know that there are good British and Polish women living here. My happily married friends and relatives with families around me confirm that. If you have dismissed them all as non-starters, the problem doesn't lie with them, but elsewhere and the solution is not found (easily, at least) by moving to another country.

In the UK those with good social skills do well & those women that are pretty do well, it doesn't matter where they are from, but not everyone has good social skills. Its a fact of life that some people genetically aren't born with the gift of the gab or anywhere near it. Others may get other skills but in the UK for some reason only those that can open and close their trap in quick succession are seen as worthy. The rest of us are a form of underclass especially viewed as such by the women. In the FSU this seems less so, the ability to provide is something I see a lot of women express in their profiles, in the FSU this seems to come top and that is good news for me :) 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 19, 2018, 05:47:55 PM
Providing is not the number 1 attribute FSUW look for in FSUM. Most of both marry very young.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 06:20:49 PM
Providing is not the number 1 attribute FSUW look for in FSUM. Most of both marry very young.

Maybe not for those that marry young, but for older girls it seems to be a factor, of course the number one is always that the girl has to be into the guy but after that it seems to rate highly.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Steamer on March 19, 2018, 06:23:43 PM
Providing is not the number 1 attribute FSUW look for in FSUM. Most of both marry very young.


How about the "potential" for providing?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 19, 2018, 06:35:19 PM
Seems like another far fetched plan.  Now Trench wants to become a landlord and move to Poland?  what the heck...Dude you know nothing about either.  What if your renter decides not to pay and knows you are in another country.  Better hope you know the tenant rights in the UK.

All this provider talk is BS.  Unless the girl is in an absolutely poor condition with no way out she won't care about that.  Remember she's gotta spend alot of time together with you.  If you are boring and dull even all the money in the world won't make up for it.  well, ok if you were Hugh Hefner or some billionaire then you might have a chance.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Steamer on March 19, 2018, 07:06:00 PM

All this provider talk is BS.  Unless the girl is in an absolutely poor condition with no way out she won't care about that.  Remember she's gotta spend alot of time together with you.  If you are boring and dull even all the money in the world won't make up for it.  well, ok if you were Hugh Hefner or some billionaire then you might have a chance.


I have never met a woman looking for a husband that didn't care about financial security. Why would a woman migrate just to end up in worse shape than when she started? They want a normal life.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 09:02:04 PM

I have never met a woman looking for a husband that didn't care about financial security. Why would a woman migrate just to end up in worse shape than when she started? They want a normal life.

Thankyou :clapping: I think you are right on both counts Steamer. 'Potential' is important to for young people, I have a cousin who has a daughter who was going out with this guy during her late teens. He too was in his late teens roughly same age as her, anyway he looked like he could have been on he's way into a good profession but in the end this failed to materialize and it became clear it would be extremely unlikely to. In fact she had to get him a part time job where she worked in retail, so he went from fame to lame, lol. It was not long before they split up and she is now after the best deal possible and playing the field as many young pretty girls do.

From what I heard I don't thin she was all that into him either, but he was seen as having 'potential' in the beginning, it failed to materialize so he's stock took a pounding. He was shown up for not being able to deliver.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 19, 2018, 09:19:31 PM
Seems like another far fetched plan.  Now Trench wants to become a landlord and move to Poland?  what the heck...Dude you know nothing about either.  What if your renter decides not to pay and knows you are in another country.  Better hope you know the tenant rights in the UK.

All this provider talk is BS.  Unless the girl is in an absolutely poor condition with no way out she won't care about that.  Remember she's gotta spend alot of time together with you.  If you are boring and dull even all the money in the world won't make up for it.  well, ok if you were Hugh Hefner or some billionaire then you might have a chance.

She wants to be reasonably sure they guy can pull he's weight not sponge of her. She also has to be sure that he can contribute the resources necessary to starting a family. A bit on in and out of work in low paid jobs and no real financial savings or assets such as a house behind him will not be very reassuring to her. If he rents a doss hole of a pokey dive of a flat and goes out boozing, smoking and perhaps even using drugs that takes up any money he does have then he will be a non-starter in her eyes.

Girls will consider guys they are not that into merely because they are at least able to be in a financial position to have a family as a prerequisite that few girls can ignore common sense wise. If you don't have the financial resources chances are you aren't in the running to begin with.

Consider also that it is not only guys that are boring and dull but girls also. However, many of them get a guy because they have the ability to have children which most guys want. Its not the guys dream match but that's life, he busies himself with work, etc and enjoys having a family. Like I said before a lot depends on having interests each other enjoys. A car rally will be fun to some guys and girls but some girls may find it boring. Some girls will find some guys simpletons that are easily amused by the unfunny while others will find them hilarious.

Don't worry about all the renting thing Sting I know all what I need to know about evictions etc, so know how to avoid problems, plenty of info out there these days on all that stuff. Consider also you're availability to spend time with a girl, if you're pushed for money its not going to be an easy one. Many relationships break up because the guy is always at work all the time. A girl wont be interested in a guy if she finds him repulsive or is just non-interested in him but if there is the slightest bit of interest a decent financial position could swing it for the guy.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 19, 2018, 10:05:07 PM

I have never met a woman looking for a husband that didn't care about financial security. Why would a woman migrate just to end up in worse shape than when she started? They want a normal life.

yeah but if that's all that Trench offers it not enough...  of course a woman won't go to a new country for a poorer guy.  But I mean Trench should have his finances in order, have some money saved up, an investment portfolio in stocks, bonds, dividend paying stuff.  If you say you have no mortgage and paid off your house then that's a first step.  But you could be better off selling the house for the capital gains.

No girl I dated in Russia talked about money first.  They want to see how you are as a person.   Of course if you are bad with money and don't know how to save or invest then there will be problems later.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 19, 2018, 10:11:26 PM

The women are like most FSW after a guy that can provide for family. I have also heard they are feminine and not difficult like girls on the west. I have also heard that they are attractive and have big tits ;)


stop talking like a teen who's just hit puberty dude..  well, wait that's your maturity level!  it would be pure to see how you talk to women in real life.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 19, 2018, 10:17:10 PM

Don't worry about all the renting thing Sting I know all what I need to know about evictions etc, so know how to avoid problems, plenty of info out there these days on all that stuff.

Doesn't sound like you've ever been a landlord before..good luck man.  Plenty of info on alot of things but if you don't act on it it's useless.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 19, 2018, 11:09:14 PM

Girls will consider guys they are not that into merely because they are at least able to be in a financial position to have a family as a prerequisite that few girls can ignore common sense wise. If you don't have the financial resources chances are you aren't in the running to begin with.


Only if she's really ugly or just not attractive and has few options.  Logic doesn't play into girls' minds.  You gotta remember, any half decent looking girl can find many suitors no problem.
I got Russian friends who had marriage proposals and stuff from strangers.  They turned em down cause they didn't want to be with the guy.  Other Russian friends who went to another country on a whim for guys. 

Unless you are super rich and can offer a lifestyle so much higher than what they are used to, I'd say stop using your wallet to attract girls.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 02:19:19 AM
yeah but if that's all that Trench offers it not enough...  of course a woman won't go to a new country for a poorer guy.  But I mean Trench should have his finances in order, have some money saved up, an investment portfolio in stocks, bonds, dividend paying stuff.  If you say you have no mortgage and paid off your house then that's a first step.  But you could be better off selling the house for the capital gains.

No girl I dated in Russia talked about money first.  They want to see how you are as a person.   Of course if you are bad with money and don't know how to save or invest then there will be problems later.

See your financial astuteness isn't great Sting. I could sell off the house for capital gain, bit what would I do with the money? I would have a large pile of cash with no income if I gave up my job. Who knows the girl might even surprise me and says she wants to live in the UK of only for a little while. Now think, I could both have a pile of cash and an income without a job. I could mortgage the house, still rent out rooms to cover the mortgage cost and have some left over. The left over income would not be enough to cover rent but I would have a lump sum to do that for a while or buy something in Poland, either a small place or a decent size house if she had a job and we went in together on it. Meanwhile I still have my mortgage being paid off with the rent money :)

I have a few thousand in stocks & bonds, some if it divIdend paying stuff some of it not. You have to be careful as a lot of money can be lost on the stock markets. I would say it's far more volatile than it used to be before the banking crises a decade ago. A reasonably safe stock won't give you a good dividend payout. You would have to invest a lot of money into about at least half a dozen reasonably safe stocks that payout dividend at different times of the year for it to be able to offer much income support at all. If one or more of those reasonably safe stocks ran into trouble here then you could end up with a financial headache on your hands.

For example Tesco supermarket in the UK used to be seen as a safe stock an relatively speaking if still is, however a few years ago they found out the directors were cooking the books to make if look like the store was doing better year on year than it was - result - share price took a dive and the dividend was axed for a good while (they were also under pressure from rival discount supermarkets). They've only now just restored the dividend and the share price has recovered a little. Which goes to show relting on dividends would not be a wise move for me they are a top up not something I invest a lot on shares to live off.

Conversely you could buy shares in a company that pays out no dividend at all but if good news is starting to come through from that company you may make a ton of money far more than any poxy dividend. They are normally far more riskier companies and often to a large extent unknown quantities. So you could lose a large part or all of your money. So they are much more a gamble and less of an investment. Upside is at least your not investing in a company you think is rock solid then finding out otherwise like we did with the banks. Bitcoin is not a bad example of the money you can make.

So financially speaking I'm nowhere near the big boys in terms of financial strength. If things go my way I could be a lot better of if not then I remain another guy off the streets that is not all that wealthy. To a FSW even from Poland I would probably be pretty wealthy by their standards. Most Poles that come to the UK rent they do so not only because they don't know how long they will be here and may want to move around but also because house prices are high in a lot of areas and they don't have the money. Most I hear prove to be very reliable tenants as they are not brought up on the live off welfare as a livilihood as some people are here.

So that us about the size of it. If you go out to meet FSW do you want to go out there with an uncomfortable feeling of not being in a decent financial situation to be able to make a go of it with her? I couldn't I would feel like I'm going in light. The girl would of course not give you a financial run down on first meeting but she would subtly ask questions over time and more candidly judge you by your actions and what you tell her as to how wealthy/successful you are.If she's pretty she will judge you against any other alternative options of guys she may have.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 20, 2018, 03:09:58 AM
See your financial astuteness isn't great Sting. I could sell off the house for capital gain, bit what would I do with the money?


haha pretty funny considering I completed my higher education in business and worked in finance.  Manage my own portfolio.  When you talk about stocks I can tell you know nothing.

You probably don't invest in global stocks at all, only British.  I am heavily weighted in American stocks.  Check the performance of Google, Facebook, Amazon etc..  Basically they have gained 5-10x in the past decade even with the big crash of 08-09.

I don't know the housing price trends in your city but if you bought a place in London a decade ago you would be laughing now.





Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 20, 2018, 03:36:29 AM
So, what we have here is two posters 'willy waving' - the plans for finding a partner seems to have been forgotten
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 20, 2018, 04:36:11 AM

How about the "potential" for providing?


Yes, that is a factor for many women.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 04:50:19 AM
haha pretty funny considering I completed my higher education in business and worked in finance.  Manage my own portfolio.  When you talk about stocks I can tell you know nothing.

You probably don't invest in global stocks at all, only British.  I am heavily weighted in American stocks.  Check the performance of Google, Facebook, Amazon etc..  Basically they have gained 5-10x in the past decade even with the big crash of 08-09.

I don't know the housing price trends in your city but if you bought a place in London a decade ago you would be laughing now.

If I was able to buy in central London I would be laughing, but the prices were steep 10 years or more ago now, they are even steeper there now. In outer London the prices are high but still a lot cheaper than central London. If I were in London now I would sell up as the house prices are vastly inflated and due for a correction. I predict that if they do not go south towards the end of this year then they will do in 2019.

I do not live in London nor have any property there, that's one boat I missed/could not get on because I didn't earn enough, still don't. I live in a much cheaper part of the country but one which shouldn't suffer too much in a house price slump. Mainly because prices have only gone up steadily. My mother lives in on the south coast on quite a wealthy part of the country but still not nearly as pricy as London. I own some American stocks, American companies can get big in a short space of time. Though you no doubt have a lot more than me. I'm not a high earning guy just a regular guy on the street I don't mind admitting that, thus I don't have loads to pour into stocks and if if dosent work out just pour a load more into other stocks and hope they do better. I just have to work the best with what I've got but even this to many Polish women will bea fair amount.

Main thing is Sting is that most women will be reading a guy like a book from the moment they meet him. Every time a guy opens his trap it adds to the story and what they make of a guy. Of course they are not so socially inept to ask you for a financial run down after you've first met or even further down the line, they know dojng so would torpedo their chances with you if you turned out to be what they wanted. For sure there us such a thing as knowing someone and gaining joy from friendship they will want that as a basic. If there us no chemistry a girl will likely run, if there is bur you're an *sshole the girl may think twice or for munwrous other reasons. Young girls often just want to date as they have time on their side, but ax they get older they get more serious about whether a guy has much go in him.

Let's face it some girls are materialistic & some aren't. If we say it's 50/50 then it's still 50 percent of girls that will want to hear good things on the wealth front. The less she hears good things over time the more the guy doesn't fit the mold of what she wants in a guy. Turning your back on the 50 percent that have some level of materialism is basically cutting out too many women.

What I am learning ax I get older is that reading people is an important skill. Some people just gab without realising what they are actually telling someone. Some people read people very little if at all (probably mostly us guys). My sister at a speed dating event years ago was reading the guys and they didn't even realise she was able to pick out all the little porkies they were letting slip without realising it. A guy may go on saying he has this or that in a bold financial statement but then in a reply to a casual question later let's slip he went for the cheaper option on something for example like he parked up where the free parking was and walked a distance in bad weather where if he was as wealthy as said he would have used to pay for car park or whatever. Main thing is over time a girl will pay little credibility to the big bold statements as she will have a litany of little titbits of information that tell her this guy is a bag of wind and really has no real wealth at all. A girl will also be polite about ditching a guy in such a situation, she'll make her excuses and take her leave. No off course you can't buy a girl/use your wad it's a mistake but a girl will be reading you and judging weather your the one given the options available to her to go for. Hence why some people say it's the woman that choses the guy (the gig just does the approach/initiation part in most cases).
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 04:53:29 AM
So, what we have here is two posters 'willy waving' - the plans for finding a partner seems to have been forgotten

I never thought of you as one to stand on the sidelines while willy waving is in progress Mobe :D
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Steamer on March 20, 2018, 05:18:14 AM
yeah but if that's all that Trench offers it not enough...


For who?
A person can be as boring as mashed potatoes but a lot of women LIKE mashed potatoes. As women gain experience with men they seem to tire of getting burned by players with a fast line of bs.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 20, 2018, 08:09:42 AM

For who?
A person can be as boring as mashed potatoes but a lot of women LIKE mashed potatoes. As women gain experience with men they seem to tire of getting burned by players with a fast line of bs.

Well in that case Trench should have the women lined up!!  yet he can't even get a date in his own city.... sure women get tired of the "playas" and bad boys but they get bored of dull "nice" people too.. 
Title: 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on March 20, 2018, 08:31:28 AM

For who?
A person can be as boring as mashed potatoes but a lot of women LIKE mashed potatoes. As women gain experience with men they seem to tire of getting burned by players with a fast line of bs.

+1

Hey Steamer, nice to see you here. 

To: The newbies and those that aren't married yet.

There is a woman for every man. That man might never find her especially
if they are looking in the wrong place or for the wrong things, but they are
out there.

There are women who ONLY go after men who treat them like crap.
There are women who ONLY go after nerds.
There are cRaZy women who write fawning letters to death row inmates.
There are women who ONLY go after __________ enter your name and
various attributes here.

Men often chase after the wrong women hoping that they will desire
them instead. Example, there are 2987 Hollywood movies where the
girl went after bad boys and a good boy persevered and eventually
the girl realized that the good boy was what she wanted all along.

That is Hollywood but in real life the girl who likes bad boys never
learns and friend zones the good boy while he pines away for her
forever and NEVER, EVER, EVER gets her.

What is my point?

That's why I always recommend meeting them soon to see if there
is mutual chemistry. She must give off that vibe that she is romantically
interested in you. If she doesn't give off that vibe then my recommendation
is that you move on. If you don't you will be like that good boy who pines
forever after a girl who will never be romantically interested in him.

There are many, many trip reports where a guy has a great internet
relationship with a girl and then they meet and she is underwhelmed
and not radiating this vibe.

This guy came all the way to visit her at great expense and this is a
good girl but not romantically interested. The girl wanted to be romantically
interested but she's not. She feels somewhat obligated to show him
around her country and show him the food, the culture etc.

The guy keeps hoping against hope that she will come around and
misreads every nice thing she does as a signal that she is coming
around just like it does in each of the 2987 Hollywood movies. She
won't come around, she is a good girl that's why she's spending time
with him. The best and smartest thing he can do is to end it and
pursue other girls.

This has happened to me unfortunately (more than once) and what
I learned is no matter how much emotional investment I made in this
girl, I needed to move on and find a different girl. I went to Russia to
meet a tall leggy beautiful girl and it didn't work out so I moved on
and asked out girl with the prettiest green eyes and that girl is now
my wife.

If I had kept pining away for the tall leggy girl I wouldn't have found
my Angel Eyes.

Anybody interested can read my entire journey here.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

Title: Re: 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 09:34:12 AM
+1

Hey Steamer, nice to see you here. 

To: The newbies and those that aren't married yet.

There is a woman for every man. That man might never find her especially
if they are looking in the wrong place or for the wrong things, but they are
out there.

There are women who ONLY go after men who treat them like crap.
There are women who ONLY go after nerds.
There are cRaZy women who write fawning letters to death row inmates.
There are women who ONLY go after __________ enter your name and
various attributes here.

Men often chase after the wrong women hoping that they will desire
them instead. Example, there are 2987 Hollywood movies where the
girl went after bad boys and a good boy persevered and eventually
the girl realized that the good boy was what she wanted all along.

That is Hollywood but in real life the girl who likes bad boys never
learns and friend zones the good boy while he pines away for her
forever and NEVER, EVER, EVER gets her.

What is my point?

That's why I always recommend meeting them soon to see if there
is mutual chemistry. She must give off that vibe that she is romantically
interested in you. If she doesn't give off that vibe then my recommendation
is that you move on. If you don't you will be like that good boy who pines
forever after a girl who will never be romantically interested in him.

There are many, many trip reports where a guy has a great internet
relationship with a girl and then they meet and she is underwhelmed
and not radiating this vibe.

This guy came all the way to visit her at great expense and this is a
good girl but not romantically interested. The girl wanted to be romantically
interested but she's not. She feels somewhat obligated to show him
around her country and show him the food, the culture etc.

The guy keeps hoping against hope that she will come around and
misreads every nice thing she does as a signal that she is coming
around just like it does in each of the 2987 Hollywood movies. She
won't come around, she is a good girl that's why she's spending time
with him. The best and smartest thing he can do is to end it and
pursue other girls.

This has happened to me unfortunately (more than once) and what
I learned is no matter how much emotional investment I made in this
girl, I needed to move on and find a different girl. I went to Russia to
meet a tall leggy beautiful girl and it didn't work out so I moved on
and asked out girl with the prettiest green eyes and that girl is now
my wife.

If I had kept pining away for the tall leggy girl I wouldn't have found
my Angel Eyes.

Anybody interested can read my entire journey here.
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=3432.0

Well I hope she doesn't make you do squats Bill  ;D

I think once again you have given advice that is pure gold dust and I for one much appreciate it :) The story of the girl with no chemistry that feels obligated to show you around much feels like my first outing on this. It's just such a pain when it happens as I wouldn't want any girl to feel obligated. It why I think I would prefer the visit many approach. Your description of how the dating scene works is also very accurate I think. Funny thing is I actually watched a hollywood film not long ago where it actually acknowledged that in relality the hot girl always goes off with the *sshole in crowdy guy. Forget the name of the film now but it's definitely the exeception most like you say always give the false reality of the girl getting with the nice guy in the end.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 09:51:00 AM
Well in that case Trench should have the women lined up!!  yet he can't even get a date in his own city.... sure women get tired of the "playas" and bad boys but they get bored of dull "nice" people too..

Steamer is right Sting as is 2tallbill, both have a ton of experience and have pretty much seen it all. In the west a girl may still keep going for the racy guys in club in the hope that they may end up with one who won't be a 'player'. Many, most perhaps will never look to the guys that are 'boring' bit will value them rather than see them as another pair of t*ts & ar*e to screw like the gift of the gab 'player' guys on the club's do. I would suggest that in the FSU this is not so the case. Women there seem to value guys that will be loyal to them and not so much like the 'player' type. Sure many a girl will still fall for the player type but some will learn and many long term will go for the boring guy and not tire of him. Why? Because getting pregnant to a guy who won't stand by you in the FSU has serious consequences. It is not the UK, welfare payouts to single mothers with children are meagre and a struggle to live off. The thought then of a boring guy they may tire of becomes a godsend if such a boring guy is also loyal and able to provide rather than skip of never to be seen again or drunk & unemployed all the time. It's unfortunately the situation of too much welfare state in society to favour the idiots who just lark around.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 10:05:29 AM
Interestingly welfare is 34 percent of government spending in the UK but only 20 percent in Poland. Even this is no doubt a higher spend when compared to Russia & Ukraine.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: lyndontom on March 20, 2018, 10:39:02 AM
In the UK those with good social skills do well & those women that are pretty do well, it doesn't matter where they are from, but not everyone has good social skills. Its a fact of life that some people genetically aren't born with the gift of the gab or anywhere near it. Others may get other skills but in the UK for some reason only those that can open and close their trap in quick succession are seen as worthy. The rest of us are a form of underclass especially viewed as such by the women. In the FSU this seems less so, the ability to provide is something I see a lot of women express in their profiles, in the FSU this seems to come top and that is good news for me :)


So what are you bringing to the party? Nobody says you have to be a playboy, yes there are women who will want a settled life and stability - but to find and keep a woman you're going to have to be able to interact with her and keep her interested. If you want a subservient mute, better go somewhere other than FSU...


If you're not good socially, I still say improve yourself rather than thinking going to a poor country and finding a woman who will settle for 'more' is the way to go.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 05:56:35 PM

So what are you bringing to the party? Nobody says you have to be a playboy, yes there are women who will want a settled life and stability - but to find and keep a woman you're going to have to be able to interact with her and keep her interested. If you want a subservient mute, better go somewhere other than FSU...


If you're not good socially, I still say improve yourself rather than thinking going to a poor country and finding a woman who will settle for 'more' is the way to go.

Well as 2tallbill is trying to tell us its really a case of finding a girl where there is natural chemistry first & foremost. Discovering if she is suitable in terms of interests & personality comes after that, or you could check on this beforehand like some do with messaging/skype but the natural chemistry still needs to be determined on meeting. So whether a girl is also interest in a visa or whatever a girl where there is definite undeniable chemistry is needed to avoid immigration mule problems or other problems.

I've stated what I could offer the right girl with chemistry but if you mean more socially I can partake in her interests with her and hopefully develop a mutual interest along with her. Sometimes it can be fun to do something a bit different that also interest me. I think it could well be a case of really thinking of the girl and her interests & how to accommodate them I am coming to realise, so really thinking of the other person. So if they are into gardening sort out some garden area for them or whatever rather than what you get with some people who say they think of the other person but just get them a box of chocolates.

End of the day I'm no entertainer, UK girls that seem to be obsessed with this really irritate me. They are not owe entertainment and I want to date them as their bf not be their entertainer. Fortunately girls in the west are not like that. Like said before shared interests will help and there needs to be that feeling from the girl that she is interested in you. I think normally two people that are fresh to each other can exchange a lot of lifestyle variation that the other will find new and exciting and I'm pretty sure that will be enough.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 20, 2018, 08:07:23 PM
Steamer is right Sting as is 2tallbill, both have a ton of experience and have pretty much seen it all. In the west a girl may still keep going for the racy guys in club in the hope that they may end up with one who won't be a 'player'.

well I don't know when Steamer and 2tallbill were in Russia last and also don't know their age.  I was in Moscow last year and the women I met were 30's and under.  You may have luck with a woman who's been burned before and has a young kid now.  are you prepared for having a step child?

There's actually a huge number of them. I was shocked.

Being loyal, a provider...sure it's all good but if the girl doesn't like you she won't give you the time of day.  I've had girls say no to coffee simply because.  Nary a mention of money or anything. They just didn't like me, no biggie.

Also, why the interest in Poland now?  You are jumping around.  Migh as well add Hungary and Romania to the list.

One thing I see is that you have no interest in their culture at all. Don't want to learn the language, read up on their history.  You ought to do that.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 20, 2018, 08:14:31 PM
so Trench what the heck is your plan now?  Going to Poland or Ukraine?  Honestly I'd just find a French girl man.  Paris is a short train ride away now that you got the Chunnel.  You won't have to wait until summer time..  Problem is I hear the French don't like Brits too much, nor any other people come to think of it.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 20, 2018, 10:26:31 PM
so Trench what the heck is your plan now?  Going to Poland or Ukraine?  Honestly I'd just find a French girl man.  Paris is a short train ride away now that you got the Chunnel.  You won't have to wait until summer time..  Problem is I hear the French don't like Brits too much, nor any other people come to think of it.

You don't really understand Europe Sting, unless you go towards the mid to south of France the weather will be little different to the UK or Poland. French girls can be quite nice and a bit more feminine than UK girls but its not as trigger happy territory as FSU. I spent about three weeks travelling around France nearly about two-three years ago now. Interesting to do, essentially somewhere like Paris there would be a lot more chance of English Speakers than most of the rest of the country but its a big city. I think just outside Paris was the best hunting ground, somewhere like Versailles or Chartres, find a nice restaurant with a nice french girl serving :) but even then you are hoping she speaks English, some will speak a few words but not really enough, many bars/restaurants are run solely by old folk also. Some English speakers may also be found on the Normandy coastline. Some English speakers may also be found in South of France but costs can go up there. French girls can be quite soft and gentle but not always easy to comprehend.

Hungary & Romania have very different populations to each other and to Poland. Nearly all nations of Europe have very different populations to each other, different languages, ethnic stock, history, cultural traditions. Romanians have been the most recent entrants to the UK and are generally viewed even less favourably than the Poles. Poles are at least seen as hard working and don't scrounge, Romanians are seen as a potential drain on resources and a bit underclass. Romanians often have a slight tan look about them so stand out a bit. Hungarians seem content to stick to their own land and I think going their or Romania would likely bear little fruit.

Main difference with Poland is that there are much stronger connections to the UK as Mobe outlined. They have much more dealings with English and as such are more open to the concept of English liaisons. There culture is much more open than some of the others of Europe I think due to them being part of this or that country at various times so not having as much of a pure Polish culture develop. Despite being able to come to the UK I think Poland still exhibit features that make it a viable proposition possibly.

So, its funny that you mention Ukraine as I've just come to thinking that I may keep it in mind also as a backup for my trip. Basically, the flight I am looking to book flies straight into Krakow, which is not far from the Ukrainian border and Lviv. So if Poland starts to fall flat I can switch and journey over to Lviv and hit up the usual dating sites to turf up a load of Ukrainian birds :D I hear many Ukrainian girl can be found in Poland these days as well. So I think this is at least an option worth exploring and see if things calm down in Russia for later in the year if no joy.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 20, 2018, 10:38:07 PM

 hit up the usual dating sites to turf up a load of Ukrainian birds :D


 "turf up a load of birds"...haven't heard this expression before.  You sure you aren't talking about turkeys now? 

Well dude there's another expression. Beggars can't be choosers. 

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 20, 2018, 11:17:58 PM
You seem to make sweeping generalizations about people based on where they are from.  Have you even talked to a Polish, Hungarian or Romania person before?  Let alone a Russian person?! 

If you know French people, they have an aversion to English and their speakers.  I worked in the south of France close to Monaco for some  clients.   The French have a snobby attitude towards anyone not French.  Even the Quebecois, the French Canadians are a different breed.
They almost voted to leave Canada and have Quebec as a separate entity.  Hence why many Canadians don't like them.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 21, 2018, 12:11:29 AM
Listening to sting23  'advising' on what the French think suggests he may be basing his vast experience in context with French Canadians.

Fact....loads of Brits settle in France....love the life.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 21, 2018, 12:30:00 AM
Listening to sting23  'advising' on what the French think suggests he may be basing his vast experience in context with French Canadians.

Fact....loads of Brits settle in France....love the life.

Yep they do, mostly old farts like you Mobe, lol.

Generally you need an independant income for France and for many this is a pension. Some try holiday let's which can often struggle. If the English person has the rare ability to be fluent in French they may get a job. If not they stand little chance of work with Paris being their only faint likihood.

I found no problem with the French while over there some could be quite friendly. I think though they can have a slant towards fussyness, particularly the more intellectual or posh sorts.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 21, 2018, 12:40:15 AM
You seem to make sweeping generalizations about people based on where they are from.  Have you even talked to a Polish, Hungarian or Romania person before?  Let alone a Russian person?! 

You say that but then go on and make generalisations yourself. Not everyone fits a generalisation but 'generally' people from a certain part of the world often have similar outlooks based on their shared experiences, environment, close genetics, politics, news, propaganda, culture, etc.

I have spoken to both a Russian and a Polish person before I started any of this. Not about dating but through work. So I got a broad idea of what others might be like but still it takes being in their society a while to pick up on more of it, individuals of couse will  always vary, most just a little some a lot.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 21, 2018, 01:17:59 AM
Honestly, if anyone has any worthy info on the dating scene in Poland and/or how things are like there or similarly in Lviv then it would be good to hear :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 21, 2018, 01:44:02 AM
Yep they do, mostly old farts like you Mobe, lol.

Generally you need an independant income for France and for many this is a pension. Some try holiday let's which can often struggle. If the English person has the rare ability to be fluent in French they may get a job. If not they stand little chance of work with Paris being their only faint likihood.

I found no problem with the French while over there some could be quite friendly. I think though they can have a slant towards fussyness, particularly the more intellectual or posh sorts.

Moby can't read as usual.  I worked in France.  Lots Brits relocate to France or Spain.  Doesn't mean the locals like them.  Some of the French people I met were the weirdest I ever encountered.  Not even Russians act like that. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 21, 2018, 01:48:42 AM
You say that but then go on and make generalisations yourself. Not everyone fits a generalisation but 'generally' people from a certain part of the world often have similar outlooks based on their shared experiences, environment, close genetics, politics, news, propaganda, culture, etc.

I have spoken to both a Russian and a Polish person before I started any of this. Not about dating but through work. So I got a broad idea of what others might be like but still it takes being in their society a while to pick up on more of it, individuals of couse will  always vary, most just a little some a lot.

All my comments are from personal experience having lived and worked in those countries.  Now it could be biased but they are my experiences. 

If you want to meet Polish girls just go to London.  There's alot of them as I said.  Going to Poland sounds like another far fetched plan you hatched outta thin air.   Or just enlist Moby's help and find some Irish girls.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 21, 2018, 05:09:21 AM
Yep they do, mostly old farts like you Mobe, lol.

Oh dear, you just don't think, Trenchie..

Back in the early nineties, - I was in my thirties ( 'old fart' ) I searched and found a Chateau to buy and do up.. My first missus was not keen - and it never happened - but when we eventually split - I moved to Cyprus and ( early forties ) friends of mine came out to stay - but decided on France over Cyprus..They had kids aged, 10,8, and 2

Can you be right about ANYTHING ?

Generally you need an independant income for France and for many this is a pension. Some try holiday let's which can often struggle. If the English person has the rare ability to be fluent in French they may get a job. If not they stand little chance of work with Paris being their only faint likihood.

Most British / Irish folks learn French at school at it floods back when immersed - are you saying you're not good at languages, either ? I know LOTS of folk who teach / taught and they bought a Pied-à-terre ( foot on the ground) - a small second home - whilst still working - it was possible then

I found no problem with the French while over there some could be quite friendly. I think though they can have a slant towards fussyness, particularly the more intellectual or posh sorts.

Are you sure you moved in those circles ?  The more cultured and wealthy - the more likely they were to speak English ...
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 21, 2018, 05:10:30 AM
Honestly, if anyone has any worthy info on the dating scene in Poland and/or how things are like there or similarly in Lviv then it would be good to hear :)

Too many of us have read your ambitions and have an interest in the well-being of the female, single population ...
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 21, 2018, 08:26:36 AM
All my comments are from personal experience having lived and worked in those countries.  Now it could be biased but they are my experiences. 

If you want to meet Polish girls just go to London.  There's alot of them as I said.  Going to Poland sounds like another far fetched plan you hatched outta thin air.   Or just enlist Moby's help and find some Irish girls.

There are indeed Polish based websites where I can find a fair number of Polish girls that live in the UK. I may try to contact a few and see if I have any different thoughts on them. My thoughts are still that they are plucked best from the tree. That the UK ones will more likely have picked up bad ways and/or be the wrong type. Also I still think there will be a lot of competition for the UK based ones or they are looking more for Polish guys. Basically a lot of UK guys are lazy, if a woman advertises for a guy here loads apply. The dynamics can change when abroad though. I don't necessarily see it as Polish is Polish as you do. A polish girl that comes to UK is more likely money/career driven a girl that is content with her  lot in Poland more family oriented. Like I say I can't be certain but from what I have read in the net other Brits that are interested in this scene often seem to see it as best to look directly in Poland too. My fallback like I said is Lviv in Ukraine just over the border. It may well be that I fall flat on my face in Poland, if so I will learn from it and try over the border. As 2tallbill said he refined his strarely and what he did until he got more on target. This is all part of the learning process.

Irish girls from the Rep. of Ireland are another deal entirely. I have never been there, this may change in the future. They are into family but some may be hostile towards English guys because of past history. I've heard they can also be friendly but dating may be another situation entirely. Again were on the western side if the iron curtain so feminism, etc. Not I am guessing as bad as UK but no doubt there. Thing is as I've said before Sting aLL the nation's if Europe are different. If there was an obvious easy answer to the UK dating situation like going to Ireland trust me ALL UK guys would be making a stompede there and you would soon here about it then it would probably be too late, lol. The fact that I have heard nothing about Ireland suggests to me that it is not significantly different there as to attract a load of English blokes.
Title: Re: 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on March 21, 2018, 11:43:35 AM
Well I hope she doesn't make you do squats Bill  ;D

I think once again you have given advice that is pure gold dust and I for one
much appreciate it :) The story of the girl with no chemistry that feels obligated
to show you around much feels like my first outing on this. It's just such a pain
when it happens as I wouldn't want any girl to feel obligated.

The last leggy girl we had some chemistry (and sex) but it wasn't all there
and we both knew it wasn't working. If you read the story she suggested
that we get back together, and although I was tempted I stuck to my guns
and pursued Angel Eyes.

The girl who traveled to meet me in Portland Oregon didn't have chemistry
with me and neither did the girl in Tblisi. The St Petersburg girl wasn't
serious, the Odessa girl had serious character issues. The Lugansk girl,
the Dnepropetrovsk girl, the Russian girl from Northern California and I
had chemistry sending enough electrical current bouncing around in the
air that somebody could have been electricuted.

There were too many girls to write about here, and there were many
reasons why one of us called it to an end, but you've got to get Chemistry
nailed and you've got to never compromise on character even when your
bloodstream is so full of endorphins that you require two IV's to replace
the fluids you lost during your marathon sex escapades. 

A girl with good character and values will be an old woman with good
character and values thirty years later.

Win their hearts and they will follow you to the ends of the Earth. Silly
worries about young men at the club won't even enter your mind.

It why I think I would prefer the visit many approach. Your description of how
the dating scene works is also very accurate I think.

You might be right on the visit many strategy, it's really a personal
personality type decision. The key to VM is to be decisive and never
pursue a hot girl if there is no mutual chemistry.


Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 21, 2018, 01:00:56 PM
There are indeed Polish based websites where I can find a fair number of Polish girls that live in the UK. I may try to contact a few and see if I have any different thoughts on them. My thoughts are still that they are plucked best from the tree. That the UK ones will more likely have picked up bad ways and/or be the wrong type.

'Bad ways' ?  Like knowing which UK isn't a social misfit  / mycologist ?

Also I still think there will be a lot of competition for the UK based ones or they are looking more for Polish guys.


You've been picked up on this nonsense notion, before..  If they are slim, attractive and smart - there really will be a lot of competition - and they do not confine themselves to their community

Basically a lot of UK guys are lazy, if a woman advertises for a guy here loads apply. The dynamics can change when abroad though. I don't necessarily see it as Polish is Polish as you do. A polish girl that comes to UK is more likely money/career driven a girl that is content with her  lot in Poland more family oriented.

??  Many came with their parents ( family oriented ) 14 years ago ..

I really think you are trolling with the bollox, below

 
Irish girls from the Rep. of Ireland are another deal entirely. I have never been there,

That you haven't been is clear ..The Rep of Ireland is progressive - more European than the UK in outlook and Divorce is legal and lasses know their rights ... stay away, Trench - they are emancipated ;)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 21, 2018, 06:24:51 PM

You've been picked up on this nonsense notion, before..  If they are slim, attractive and smart - there really will be a lot of competition - and they do not confine themselves to their community

On this I agree with you whole heatedly Mobe, that is what I am trying to tell Sting on here that once an attractive Polish girl is in the UK (or any attractive girl) they will be highly sort after and a lot of competition for me to compete with. Some will confine themselves to there community at least initially but when they see what else they can get they will go for the best as they can see it what they can get.


??  Many came with their parents ( family oriented ) 14 years ago ..

I really think you are trolling with the bollox, below

Those that came with there family 14 years or whatever time ago will have quickly become corrupted by UK society. They will have been corrupted by the feminist career driven have it all culture and discovered their 'worth' of have a vag.


That you haven't been is clear ..The Rep of Ireland is progressive - more European than the UK in outlook and Divorce is legal and lasses know their rights ... stay away, Trench - they are emancipated ;)

As feared then ;D
Title: Re: 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 21, 2018, 06:43:22 PM
The last leggy girl we had some chemistry (and sex) but it wasn't all there
and we both knew it wasn't working. If you read the story she suggested
that we get back together, and although I was tempted I stuck to my guns
and pursued Angel Eyes.

The girl who traveled to meet me in Portland Oregon didn't have chemistry
with me and neither did the girl in Tblisi. The St Petersburg girl wasn't
serious, the Odessa girl had serious character issues. The Lugansk girl,
the Dnepropetrovsk girl, the Russian girl from Northern California and I
had chemistry sending enough electrical current bouncing around in the
air that somebody could have been electricuted.

There were too many girls to write about here, and there were many
reasons why one of us called it to an end, but you've got to get Chemistry
nailed and you've got to never compromise on character
even when your
bloodstream is so full of endorphins that you require two IV's to replace
the fluids you lost during your marathon sex escapades. 

A girl with good character and values will be an old woman with good
character and values thirty years later.


Win their hearts and they will follow you to the ends of the Earth. Silly
worries about young men at the club won't even enter your mind.


You might be right on the visit many strategy, it's really a personal
personality type decision. The key to VM is to be decisive and never
pursue a hot girl if there is no mutual chemistry.

Great points Bill :) I will make sure I include them as I resume my search.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 21, 2018, 08:07:04 PM
Oh dear, you just don't think, Trenchie..

Back in the early nineties, - I was in my thirties ( 'old fart' ) I searched and found a Chateau to buy and do up.. My first missus was not keen - and it never happened - but when we eventually split - I moved to Cyprus and ( early forties ) friends of mine came out to stay - but decided on France over Cyprus..They had kids aged, 10,8, and 2

Can you be right about ANYTHING ?

Most British / Irish folks learn French at school at it floods back when immersed - are you saying you're not good at languages, either ? I know LOTS of folk who teach / taught and they bought a Pied-à-terre ( foot on the ground) - a small second home - whilst still working - it was possible then

Are you sure you moved in those circles ?  The more cultured and wealthy - the more likely they were to speak English ...

That's true, surprisingly it can come back over time when in the country, the longer there the more the language can get picked up. Can still take a while to be fluent though. I have never been fluent in another language or anywhere close. I learnt French from 11-16 at School & German from 13-16, German was somewhat easier but I did not get fluent or even that good in either. For some stupid reason we were all told it would be important in the future and that German would be the language of Business in Europe - Hah, I can't LOL loud enough on that one :ROFL: Anyway, the real shocker came a few years later when us Brits discovered that our very own language had naturally been adopted as both the language of business and the main language most widely spoken in Europe :wallbash: Shame on us for always thinking another country always has the upper hand. Still remains the case though that one of the EU's problems is that each country you really need fluency in the language for work, even English is still only a fallback in Europe or aside from business for tourists.

I don't blame your friend for passing over on Cyprus, it can burn your skin off that place and that's even when you're in the shade.

Sure there are the usual options like teaching English in France, holiday lets, etc but they can all get swamped with people with the same limited imagination due mainly in part for there being little else obvious for the linguistically challenged Brit to do. Doing up an old french house or Chateaux is fine but if your cut off from any income and not got masses in saving life can no doubt get uncomfortable pretty quickly. Apparently of those married couples that move to the France from the UK it can be a factor that puts a lot of strain on a marriage that many end in divorce.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Jumper on March 21, 2018, 08:12:01 PM
On this I agree with you whole heatedly Mobe, that is what I am trying to tell Sting on here that once an attractive Polish girl is in the UK (or any attractive girl) they will be highly sort after and a lot of competition for me to compete with. Some will confine themselves to there community at least initially but when they see what else they can get they will go for the best as they can see it what they can get.

Those that came with there family 14 years or whatever time ago will have quickly become corrupted by UK society. They will have been corrupted by the feminist career driven have it all culture and discovered their 'worth' of have a vag.

As feared then ;D


My first wife was Irish, smart, amazing personality, beautiful , and a smile to light up any room. Theres a park in my region named after her, so quite an influence on people.Think a prettier julia roberts.She passed away in 95, or it's incredibly likely we would still be married as we never had as much as a cross word in years together, and have a wonderful son.
She was certainly not submissive type ! Ha!
 but honestly
Nothing to fear there!

Moby is just trying to protect his *own*


Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 21, 2018, 09:22:34 PM
that is what I am trying to tell Sting on here that once an attractive Polish girl is in the UK (or any attractive girl) they will be highly sort after and a lot of competition for me to compete with. Some will confine themselves to there community at least initially but when they see what else they can get they will go for the best as they can see it what they can get.


If this is the way you think, then any woman you bring back to the UK has the potential to leave you for greener pastures.  So what are you gonna do to counteract that?  You got a big dilemma on your hands.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 21, 2018, 11:36:16 PM


Moby is just trying to protect his *own*

Hi Jumper - that made me smile

I really don't feel I belong to anyone - such is the 'drip drip' indoctrination kids were exposed to in 'the Irelands' ...  I born born into a family of N.Ireland Protestants - taught that I was British at school - learnt British history and that those seeking a United Ireland were 'wrong' .. My Catholic fiends went to a different school at 5 years old and were taught the opposite and I married a lass whose Dad was Irish Catholic

I'm simply not a 'patriot' and believe national fervour ( and even which language should be the national tongue ) can be misused ..like in Ukraine / Russia to create division

No, I was just showing Trench was ( once more ) posting his usual uneducated bollox about a place / people (women)  he hasn't BEEN to ..;)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 21, 2018, 11:45:13 PM
For some stupid reason we were all told it would be important in the future and that German would be the language of Business in Europe

I take learning at least one other language seriously and I wanted my kids to know Mandarin..;)   Can't say I've heard the German claim

Apparently

Which so often in your case means - you're posting what you believe - though you have no proof


of those married couples that move to the France from the UK it can be a factor that puts a lot of strain on a marriage that many end in divorce.

I'm sure it does..
but of the 3 couples I know that did it .... and BOY did one of them have problems - not of their own making - they are still together ... but that is no proof - I agree

My opinion is based of having BEEN an ex-pat ..and I don't believe I saw a greater level of divorce - quite the contrary, even


Right now, Svetlana is trying to sell the property of a couple who planned to spend their dying days in Cyprus - but one of them has had recurring Cancer outbreaks - forcing them to move home....  Witnessing the closeness between them is inspiring


Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 22, 2018, 04:22:51 AM
I take learning at least one other language seriously and I wanted my kids to know Mandarin..;)   Can't say I've heard the German claim

Well it came about around the time of German re-unification - this was seen as a sign of Germany's growing importance as a result of this re-unification that it would be dominant on business in Europe and hence everyone doing business would need German. Well Germany may be Europe's number one economy but it didn't follow through that the German language became Europe's language of business, instead it was English.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Davo2 on March 22, 2018, 04:37:21 AM
Trench, if this trip turns out to be a dud, try Thailand. My mate just returned from there and said there are plenty of hot Russian girls working in the clubs. If that doesn't suit your fancy, the Thai lady boys are even more stunning than the Russians  ;)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 22, 2018, 04:55:47 AM
Anyway, I'm finding my dating thoughts evolving a little. Krakow is pretty near Lviv unlike a lot of FSU cities that are more far flung from one another as cities tend to get closer together the more we get towards Europe. So my thoughts are now to contact some girls in Lviv but as a part of my search rather than as a fallback as planned. I'm seeing a few nice ones popping up from there. So if I find a group of them I could arrange a mini bus for them to shuttle them in all at once to see me :D Or more likely take a few days out there to see them. I should be able to get over the border easy enough with Ukraine being visa free and so I could meet the best of what each has to offer :)

Ah, just seen your message Davo ;) oh funny guy, lol. Nah, I'll pass on the ladyboys thanks more than enough of them in this country. I know some UK guys go for Thai and they no doubt have their plus points but also negatives also. Thailand has always looked an interesting place to me but it's a journey and costs a lot more to visit. The women are darker skin and have a different outlook. On the more dubious side some are no to be trusted as they can be very after the money given the level of poverty out there worse than even the Ukraine or Russia. I prefer Kyn'S suggestion of the Phillopines as though even greater distance and more expense the girls are so soft and submissive there :) I think though that East European girls are really still the best all round fit though.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 22, 2018, 05:05:43 AM
Well it came about around the time of German re-unification - this was seen as a sign of Germany's growing importance as a result of this re-unification that it would be dominant on business in Europe and hence everyone doing business would need German. Well Germany may be Europe's number one economy but it didn't follow through that the German language became Europe's language of business, instead it was English.

'sorry' - but I've still never heard such a claim ... from a Bit

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 25, 2018, 11:52:26 AM
'sorry' - but I've still never heard such a claim ... from a Bit

Teachers & parents were saying it at the time.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 25, 2018, 12:09:42 PM
Well, my thoughts on my upcoming visit have evolved. I've now decided to split my time between Krakow & Lviv with the bulk of the time in Lviv. The Polish scene I am not too familiar with so I would like to check it out but I also want to be sure of being able to call up women. That I know I should be able to do in Ukraine. So for me a flight into Krakow to do a bit of tourism for a few days and check out the market the train over to Lviv makes perfect sense. Lviv seems like one of the nicer parts of Ukraine and seems to have lots of women to choose from but without as much of the dating 'industry' being present.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: ML on March 25, 2018, 07:38:22 PM
My wife said before that there aren't many women in Western Ukraine looking for a man from USA or from far western Europe . . . this is in comparison to Ukrainian women in other parts of Ukraine.

One reason is that a lot of them have already left Ukraine to work in the nearby countries to the west and can find a man there.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 26, 2018, 01:02:18 AM
My wife said before that there aren't many women in Western Ukraine looking for a man from USA or from far western Europe . . . this is in comparison to Ukrainian women in other parts of Ukraine.

One reason is that a lot of them have already left Ukraine to work in the nearby countries to the west and can find a man there.

Thanks ML, I think she is probably right. In truth I have only checked out one site, Mamba which of course is devoted more to locals dating. There are loads on there and some pretty hot :) I only gotten around to checking out one foreign dating site on Lviv and there is only one women on there (though a few more from the surrounding areas perhaps). I'm unable to check out many other sites at the moment as away from my home computer but will follow up in this.

I've heard many cross the border into Poland which used to be illegal and theoretically still is without a work visa. Since the EU came to an agreement to let tourists through with just a bio passport last year though I'm guessing it's gotten a lot easier for them to enter western Europe. I've heard there are many Ukrainian women in cities like Krakow but whether it's easy to access them I've no idea since its an area I've not ventured to before. Thanks for the heads up though ML it was an area I was wondering about so will look into it more fully.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 26, 2018, 04:39:03 AM


I've heard..


Trench, if the single women of Ukraine were flooding into the EU and failing to return / working ..I am CERTAIN the UK press would have been all over it and you'd have been posting about it ..

When were you in W.Ukraine, last?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 26, 2018, 08:31:34 AM



Women from West Ukraine tend to be more patriotic than other areas of Ukraine and are less likely to marry somebody on the outside.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 26, 2018, 11:17:39 AM
Western Ukraine is the last place you should be looking, and it has zero to do with women moving abroad on their own, or their patriotism.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Hammer2722 on March 26, 2018, 12:13:12 PM
Western Ukraine is the last place you should be looking, and it has zero to do with women moving abroad on their own, or their patriotism.


Just goes to show you how truely clueless this guy is..... :rolleyes:
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 26, 2018, 02:07:47 PM

Trench, if the single women of Ukraine were flooding into the EU and failing to return / working ..I am CERTAIN the UK press would have been all over it and you'd have been posting about it ..

When were you in W.Ukraine, last?

You may have a point Mobe, I'm guessing W Ukraine in nice enough place for them to stay if they have family/like the area. Some women I have heard on the Internet do go into Poland but this is probably not in great numbers.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 26, 2018, 02:12:06 PM
Western Ukraine is the last place you should be looking, and it has zero to do with women moving abroad on their own, or their patriotism.

Oh, so what is it then? Are you saying that the area is nice enough/prosperous enough for the women not to be interested in finding a foreign guy? If that were true it might be not a bad place to look if it cut out those looking for an immigration mule if I could find one that was into me.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 26, 2018, 02:29:48 PM
Exactly the opposite.  There is a reason Central Ukrainians are wary of Western Ukrainians.


Haven't you done any research?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 26, 2018, 02:42:31 PM
Exactly the opposite.  There is a reason Central Ukrainians are wary of Western Ukrainians.


Haven't you done any research?

Because they are Nazi's lol, well I know W Ukrainians are apparently more pro west/EU. I know that generally they ate more Ukrainian speaking and less Russian speaking. So they are fanatical for the Ukraine? That they would not wish to leave.

That is as far as my research on the area takes me.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 26, 2018, 02:49:19 PM
Yeah, Nazis taken as slave labourers to Germany.  :rolleyes:  :cluebat:

They are no more nor less patriotic than other Ukrainians so yet again, your research, as it is, has failed you.

Give your head a shake. I can see you’re ripe for picking without having met you. No matter what you believe, you have zero chance with the experts in that region.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 26, 2018, 02:50:52 PM

Just goes to show you how truely clueless this guy is..... :rolleyes:

That's kind of harsh Hammer :sad:
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 26, 2018, 02:57:06 PM
Yeah, Nazis taken as slave labourers to Germany.  :rolleyes:  :cluebat:

They are no more nor less patriotic than other Ukrainians so yet again, your research, as it is, has failed you.

Give your head a shake. I can see you’re ripe for picking without having met you. No matter what you believe, you have zero chance with the experts in that region.

Well I know that in Ukraine that euthemism has been used in the civil conflict. However I am also aware that some say W. Ukraine you get more good girls there. I know the Nazi's thing is kind if weird since Nazi Germany used them as slave labour in the war effort. Yer they seem to have less problem with Poland which us right next to them some say many in Lviv are of Polish origin.

So what is the issue with W. Ukraine then?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 26, 2018, 04:31:30 PM
So what is the issue with W. Ukraine then?



Based off the way people vote, they want to be free from Russia compared to other parts of the country where many actually want to be associated with Russia. There are claims by some those living in Western Ukraine are Fascists. I don't believe that because I was there but they are less likely to get involved with outsiders and racism is higher there than in other parts of Ukraine. Even my wife says so.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Anotherkiwi on March 26, 2018, 05:15:35 PM
...Thailand has always looked an interesting place to me but it's a journey and costs a lot more to visit. The women are darker skin and have a different outlook.

Where do you get Thais having "darker skin?"  Sure, some do - but so do certain Brits who spend time in the open air!  Most Thais that I met there (and here) are as pale-skinned as me.

On the more dubious side some are no to be trusted as they can be very after the money given the level of poverty out there worse than even the Ukraine or Russia.

"Some are not to be trusted" applies to EVERY country, regardless of wealth.  In fact, the wealthier the country, the more corruption is likely to be found amongst those with the most wealth.

I prefer Kyn'S suggestion of the Phillopines as though even greater distance and more expense the girls are so soft and submissive there :)

Have you been having one-sided conversations with your sex doll again?  "Soft and submissive" indeed!  Filipinas come in all styles, just like women from every other country.

I think though that East European girls are really still the best all round fit though.

Maybe, but not for you.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Anotherkiwi on March 26, 2018, 05:17:57 PM
Well I know that in Ukraine that euthemism has been used in the civil conflict.

What is this?  And what "civil conflict?"
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: alex330 on March 26, 2018, 05:23:27 PM
Where do you get Thais having "darker skin?"  Sure, some do - but so do certain Brits who spend time in the open air!  Most Thais that I met there (and here) are as pale-skinned as me.


Depends on their ethnicity. Most of the Thai women that date or marry foreigners are from the North, and have darker complexions. Exotic to us farang, while most Thai men prefer the more pale Chinese look.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: ML on March 26, 2018, 07:41:36 PM
euthemism   What is this? 

It is when a person shows great enthusiasm toward euthanasia, at least euphemistically speaking.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2018, 01:04:49 AM

Based off the way people vote, they want to be free from Russia compared to other parts of the country where many actually want to be associated with Russia. There are claims by some those living in Western Ukraine are Fascists. I don't believe that because I was there but they are less likely to get involved with outsiders and racism is higher there than in other parts of Ukraine. Even my wife says so.

Thanks Billy :) Boe & Hammer sure made a song & dance out of that one. I wasn't that far off in some of the stuff I knew about the area. I'll check out what responses I get online first before making any solid plans.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2018, 02:53:49 AM
No, we didn’t. Racism is pretty much the same across Ukraine. In any event, you are a pasty white Brit, so it won’t affect you. You just missed the point again.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2018, 03:21:09 AM
No, we didn’t. Racism is pretty much the same across Ukraine. In any event, you are a pasty white Brit, so it won’t affect you. You just missed the point again.

Which is?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2018, 09:16:03 AM
No, you tell me how this “research” is not “far off”.

Because they are Nazi's lol, well I know W Ukrainians are apparently more pro west/EU. I know that generally they ate more Ukrainian speaking and less Russian speaking. So they are fanatical for the Ukraine? That they would not wish to leave.

That is as far as my research on the area takes me.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2018, 11:44:13 AM
No, you tell me how this “research” is not “far off”.

Well I thought it was not far off what you had in mind, but if you had something else in mind othe than W. Ukrainians seeing foreigners as outsiders & W. Ukrainians being patriotic, racist, happy where they live then please enlighten us?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2018, 11:58:55 AM
I never posted Western Ukrainians are more patriotic or racist than Ukrainians elsewhere. I don’t believe that.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: drsecu on March 27, 2018, 12:48:50 PM
Krakow, Lviv

I've heard nothing but good things about Krakow (as a place to visit/party) but wasn't able to make it (Kyiv, Lviv and Krakow) was my plan.  There is good train service and new luxury bus that makes this run also.

Lviv has more Polish influence of course, they recruit Ukrainians to work in Poland and Germany from the area.  If your a Ukrainian that can prove Polish ancestry you can go to colleges in Poland for free.  Girls I met in the area were more likely to have traveled internationally.  The further west go in Ukraine the less likely the girls are wanting to excape the place can be found, but  I would think one would have good results in Lviv still because everyone is more approachable to talk to talk to.  The cost of living was as high Kyiv and the salary is lower.  The city is very English language friendly as well.  The best coffee and food I've had in Urkaine/Russia was here, Lviv Coffee Mine, Kryyivka, and "Meat and Justice".
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2018, 01:14:29 PM
I have relatives living in both Kyiv and L'viv.  Costs are comparable.  Apartments are more expensive in Kyiv, as is transportation.  Clothing in stores costs less in Kyiv.  Food is comparable, with produce and dairy, for the most part, being negligibly less in L'viv, but meat costs more.


L'viv's Polish influence ended in 1945.  There were two Polish schools in L'viv during Soviet times, but they were considered foreign language schools. 


Ukrainians in Poland are, for the most part, treated very badly.  I hear that from Ukrainians who have worked there, and from Poles who have observed it.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2018, 01:34:14 PM
I never posted Western Ukrainians are more patriotic or racist than Ukrainians elsewhere. I don’t believe that.

No you didn't, some other posters on here did. You apparently believe something else but seem reluctant to tell us what you believe.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2018, 01:38:48 PM
I have told you.  I don't believe you will find a sincere woman in Western Ukraine.  The hows and whys, I don't really want to discuss.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2018, 01:58:43 PM
I have told you.  I don't believe you will find a sincere woman in Western Ukraine.  The hows and whys, I don't really want to discuss.

Why is it some big secret that can't be discussed in open society, lol
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2018, 02:10:17 PM
No, I just don’t want to.  You won’t understand it anyway.  Take or leave what I’ve told you. It’s your risk, not mine.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2018, 02:35:14 PM
No, I just don’t want to.  You won’t understand it anyway.  Take or leave what I’ve told you. It’s your risk, not mine.

Well, tell me this then, if I went there would I find out why?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 27, 2018, 02:41:30 PM
No. You don’t know the history, the language, or the culture.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 27, 2018, 11:32:39 PM
No. You don’t know the history, the language, or the culture.

Well I know some of the history, culture & language less so :D According to Hammer though it should have been so obvious to me as to otherwise be deemed as clueless for not knowing.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 28, 2018, 12:35:18 AM
i thought you were going to Poland not Ukraine... make up your mind dude geez
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Blighty on March 28, 2018, 02:40:59 AM
@Trenchcoat You seem to lack an appreciation of the Polish/Ukrainian border region. You will gain further knowledge of this area by researching subjects such as Bandera and Right Sector.

The nationalistic Polish government has raised the subject of the Volhynia massacre with the Ukrainians, which is explained in the following article ... http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-13/world-war-ii-isn-t-quite-over-for-poland-and-ukraine

You seem to lack direction in your search, and often wonder why you are seeking a Polish / Ukrainian partner?






Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Nightwish on March 28, 2018, 03:40:00 AM
Trench suffers from the "white knight" syndrome, where he see himself as the savior that will rescue this girl from the "dirt poor conditions" and the country filled with fascism and racism and evil government, where she has no prospect of a "good" life and a future.. and what he wants in return is her ever lasting thanks and gratitude so she will never leave him.

but at the same time, he don't want to become her sole supporter and provider, that is something he expects her to do for herself, all shopping for herself with her own earned money, preferably she starts working day one she arrives in UK, so she can help with the everyday expenses also.

and all this should be done with the least amount of expenses possible, I would not be surprised if he ask's to split the bill at restaurants, as she maybe ordered something else then a simple hamburger or sallad.

why he is even considering going to Poland is beyond my understanding since he lose the only thing of value that will attract a woman in his case, his EU passport benefits.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 28, 2018, 06:25:20 AM
Delusions of grandeur come to my mind.... most of the other guys can see it plain as day.  Odds are he's gonna be at this for a real long time the way he thinks.

Every other post is about the girl leaving him after she gets to the UK.  Shows a lack of confidence and ability.

Trench you need to take a year off and figure yourself out first. Forget any trips abroad to find a women.  It's not gonna end well.
You haven't done any groundwork to build a connection with girls before you go.  You eschew Skype and messages.

You think you're just gonna hop on a plane and it's gonna be magic.  You mentioned St Petersburg at one point.  In all honesty you'd be eaten alive there or Moscow.  People will walk over you. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 28, 2018, 11:16:08 AM
@Trenchcoat You seem to lack an appreciation of the Polish/Ukrainian border region. You will gain further knowledge of this area by researching subjects such as Bandera and Right Sector.

The nationalistic Polish government has raised the subject of the Volhynia massacre with the Ukrainians, which is explained in the following article ... http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-13/world-war-ii-isn-t-quite-over-for-poland-and-ukraine (http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-13/world-war-ii-isn-t-quite-over-for-poland-and-ukraine)

You seem to lack direction in your search, and often wonder why you are seeking a Polish / Ukrainian partner?


Keep in mind that UPA battled the Soviets until the mid 1950's.  There were also horrific ethnic conflicts between Poles and Ukrainians during that period.  I've spoken to Ukrainians from Poland who suffered during that period.


As a result of the anti communist sentiment, Western Ukrainians were sent to gulags, and Siberia, en masse, only returning once UPA had been defeated.  Every family I know had someone in prison.  After UPA's defeat, the Soviets clamped down hard in Western Ukraine.  Anyone in a position of real authority was from Russia, policies of Russification were strong, and unlike the rest of Ukraine, Western Ukraine was always ruled directly by Moscow.


As for Trench, he was going to Poland to avoid the possibility of a mule, so where else is he considering?  The poorest region of a poor country. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 28, 2018, 01:57:43 PM

Keep in mind that UPA battled the Soviets until the mid 1950's.  There were also horrific ethnic conflicts between Poles and Ukrainians during that period.  I've spoken to Ukrainians from Poland who suffered during that period.


As a result of the anti communist sentiment, Western Ukrainians were sent to gulags, and Siberia, en masse, only returning once UPA had been defeated.  Every family I know had someone in prison.  After UPA's defeat, the Soviets clamped down hard in Western Ukraine.  Anyone in a position of real authority was from Russia, policies of Russification were strong, and unlike the rest of Ukraine, Western Ukraine was always ruled directly by Moscow.

Yes that's all very well if I was after an 80 year old babushka but I'm actually among for someone in their early to mid thirties. Girl's in their early to mid thirties won't even have any recollection of the end of the Soviet Union let alone WWII and it's aftermath. It's all now long in the past, I doubt if the girls even have close relatives from the actual  era when it all happened anyway.

More to the point being English I have no connection to these events what so ever not to any present day Ukrainian/Polish bad feeling. So why on earth would it affect my dating prospects? Some girls might even want to get away from all the unpleasantness.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 28, 2018, 02:04:11 PM
@Trenchcoat You seem to lack an appreciation of the Polish/Ukrainian border region. You will gain further knowledge of this area by researching subjects such as Bandera and Right Sector.

The nationalistic Polish government has raised the subject of the Volhynia massacre with the Ukrainians, which is explained in the following article ... http://www.bloomberg.com/view/articles/2016-07-13/world-war-ii-isn-t-quite-over-for-poland-and-ukraine

You seem to lack direction in your search, and often wonder why you are seeking a Polish / Ukrainian partner?

Thanks Blighty,  I recall now reading a little about the outline of this situation in WWII long ago but didn't really think much of it. Perhaps it was more of a thing over there since we mainly focus on other aspects of WWII. Still it all seems long since passed and only dregged up by the much older generation.

I'm looking at this area of Poland/Ukraine as I think it might have potential. As you know Russia may be getting difficult soon if they retract visa's so thought be prudent and look at other options.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 28, 2018, 02:11:48 PM
Yes that's all very well if I was after an 80 year old babushka but I'm actually among for someone in their early to mid thirties. Girl's in their early to mid thirties won't even have any recollection of the end of the Soviet Union let alone WWII and it's aftermath. It's all now long in the past, I doubt if the girls even have close relatives from the actual  era when it all happened anyway.

More to the point being English I have no connection to these events what so ever not to any present day Ukrainian/Polish bad feeling. So why on earth would it affect my dating prospects? Some girls might even want to get away from all the unpleasantness.

You really are clueless at times.

Who do you think named  L'viv streets after UPA fighters?  80 year old babusias?  ("babushka" is a Russian word).

Do you think the university students and young people, who march fairly regularly in L'viv in support of the goals of UPA are 80 year olds?  This is a huge issue and one that was a factor leading up to the current war. Most of the women aged 30 will have had a parent who was jailed by the Soviets, or a grandparent.

I didn't say it would affect your dating prospects, however, you will be plucked like a chicken. 

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 28, 2018, 02:32:13 PM
plucked like a chicken.

Plucked like a chicken??? How do you mean?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 28, 2018, 02:34:23 PM
Taken advantage of.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 28, 2018, 02:48:01 PM
Taken advantage of.

How does all this UPA Ukrainian/Polish unpleasantness mean I will be taken advantage off?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 28, 2018, 02:52:40 PM
I didn’t say it would. I was just expanding on Blighty’s post.

You clearly don’t understand the mentality in that region, which is formed by its history. That is why you will be plucked.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 28, 2018, 03:10:34 PM
I didn’t say it would. I was just expanding on Blighty’s post.

You clearly don’t understand the mentality in that region, which is formed by its history. That is why you will be plucked.

Ah so you believe them to be more shysters there than the rest of Ukraine.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 28, 2018, 03:16:04 PM
No, just more desperate because it’s been more oppressed and generally is poorer.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 28, 2018, 03:29:05 PM
No, just more desperate because it’s been more oppressed and generally is poorer.

Ah, I see, thank you, now that wasn't so painful now was it ;D
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 28, 2018, 03:56:41 PM
No, just more desperate because it’s been more oppressed and generally is poorer.



When the Communists ran the show many years ago, they did oppress the people there. Now, Lviv and the region is looking beautiful compared to the rest of the country. It takes money to keep up the place. The people there on average make better salaries than in most in Ukraine.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Ukrainian_oblasts_and_territories_by_salary)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Jumper on March 28, 2018, 10:00:16 PM
You really are clueless at times.




You had me, right up until , "at times"


:)

Sorry TC, had to.


As far as western Ukraine , Lviv is indeed the bright spot of it according to most.
I havnt been there.


I have been in other parts and it is certainly a poorer region and folks more desparate.Ive been to villages there that seemed 1920s had stopped the clock.,and very little opportunity for change .
   That said, prior you seemed to in part be banking on greater disparity ,
So I'm not sure how you'd walk a fine line of who's desparate enough to really want to leave, and not so desperate as to *use* someone for that purpose.

I tended to look for someone who was well established in thier life there,comfortable ,yet   wanting a family and willing to adapt to a life elsewhere.
The more western already, the better.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on March 29, 2018, 01:16:17 AM
trench face it, you ain't cut out for this. it's almost april and you haven't done a thing.  I thought you were gonna head out by early summer.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 29, 2018, 04:07:09 AM
Lviv's buildings have not changed much since Soviet times.  I first visited L'viv in the mid 1970's, and have been there every decade since.  New apartments have been built, but the city centre remains as it always was.  The interiors of the buildings have been upgraded, there are more restaurants and nightclubs, but physically, it has not changed much.


The average monthly wage in February for the L'viv region was 7,037 hryvnia.  The average monthly wage in February for the city of Kyiv was 12,124.  The L'viv region is in the middle of the pack in Ukraine, however, my reference was to the entire Western region of Ukraine, historically referred to as Galicia. 
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on March 29, 2018, 04:07:17 AM
trench face it, you ain't cut out for this. it's almost april and you haven't done a thing.  I thought you were gonna head out by early summer.

Trench's 'plans' - so far
1/ I'm sticking to not so local UK lasses
2/ St Petersburg
3/ I'm not skyping - just turning up
4/ I'm going to W.Ukraine / Poland
5/ WOVO in S.Ukraine - followed by meeting in Kyiv and holiday in CY ..
Title: Women in Western Ukraine
Post by: ML on March 29, 2018, 12:56:45 PM
My understanding of Western Ukraine from discussions with Ukrainians living in my area here in USA:

Eastern Ukraine industrialized due to natural resources there, whereas Western Ukraine remained mostly agricultural.

So during the boom times in later FSU period, the east was relatively more prosperous.

However, the folks in Western Ukraine have always been someone more hard working, and they display a substantially higher pride of ownership of land and housing. 
There is also a belief (which I share) that, on average, agricultural folks are more honest, trustworthy and helpful than those in more industrialized areas.

Many have gone to Western Europe for periods of time, earning higher wages than they could in Ukraine.  Upon return to Ukraine, they have built near mansions with elaborate carving, yard statuary, etc.  Many of them have developed and inherited fine craftsmanship skills in most all the building trades.

With the fall of the industrial economy in Eastern Ukraine following collapse of FSU, it is not clear that Western Ukraine is less economically successful than Eastern Ukraine.

For whatever reasons . . . there are fewer Western Ukrainian women, as a proportion, seeking western men than exists in other parts of Ukraine.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 29, 2018, 01:23:28 PM
L'viv had a factory that produced all the buses for the USSR.  It also had a television production factory, that produced all the televisions sold in the USSR.  It also had a a large candy factory, stolen  "liberated" by Poroshenko.  The rest, yes, was largely agriculture. 


The bus and television factories closed on the collapse, as their technologies were outdated.


Central Ukraine had, and still has, a huge agricultural centre.  Once you drove any direction from Kyiv, you would see fields.  That is the best soil in Ukraine.  The problem was the communal farming system, which tied peasants to the land.  They were basically slaves, so even if farming was a drive, they left to work in cities.  My husband said you could see that agricultural drive was still in them, based on leaving the city for a week in March to plant potatoes, May for tomatoes, and then in late in autumn, they'd go back to kill livestock and harvest crops. 


The East and the Southeast were the heavily industrialized regions.


I don't think Western Ukrainians look to WM less because of this.  I think there are many factors - first, Central/Eastern Ukrainians didn't leave Russia before the Revolution.  Jews did, but others did not.  They were not as downtrodden as in Western Ukraine, and the land was much better, so they could live quite well.   Western Ukrainians started leaving in the 1890's, at a time when Polish landlords still owned almost all the arable land in Western Ukraine.


After the Bolshevik Revolution, Central/Eastern Ukrainians were trapped in the USSR, where borders were closed.  Western Ukrainians continued emigrating until 1939, and millions emigrated after WWII for, as Polish citizens, they were not forcibly repatriated.  So, there has always been strong emigration from the region.  That is also why, on the collapse, so many went to work abroad.  Many had relatives, or there were diaspora Ukrainians willing to help them to find jobs.  Many had opportunities to work as Europe's "Mexicans".  It is not unusual, if you go to a village and see no adults, only the elderly and the children abandoned by their parents, who have gone abroad to work. 


Almost every Western Ukrainian has relatives who live in the diaspora, even if those relatives are distant and they've lost contact.  So, crossing borders for better economic opportunity was not a foreign concept to them.  BTW, the largest recipient of Western Ukrainian workers currently is Russia.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Hammer2722 on March 29, 2018, 01:31:08 PM
L'viv had a factory that produced all the buses for the USSR.  It also had a television production factory, that produced all the televisions sold in the USSR.  It also had a a large candy factory, stolen  "liberated" by Poroshenko.   



Would that be the Lviv Chocolate Factory? I've been there. Very good chocolates!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on March 29, 2018, 01:34:43 PM
Yes, that’s the one. It wasn’t one of the largest in Ukraine though.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: 2tallbill on March 29, 2018, 03:06:33 PM
Yes that's all very well if

If you want to learn about Poland and it's history I highly
recommend reading Poland by James Michener

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/0449205878/ref=tmm_mmp_used_olp_sr?ie=UTF8&condition=used&qid=&sr=
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on March 30, 2018, 01:39:53 AM
The East and the Southeast were the heavily industrialized regions.


I don't think Western Ukrainians look to WM less because of this.  I think there are many factors - first, Central/Eastern Ukrainians didn't leave Russia before the Revolution.  Jews did, but others did not.  They were not as downtrodden as in Western Ukraine, and the land was much better, so they could live quite well.   Western Ukrainians started leaving in the 1890's, at a time when Polish landlords still owned almost all the arable land in Western Ukraine.


After the Bolshevik Revolution, Central/Eastern Ukrainians were trapped in the USSR, where borders were closed.  Western Ukrainians continued emigrating until 1939, and millions emigrated after WWII for, as Polish citizens, they were not forcibly repatriated.  So, there has always been strong emigration from the region.  That is also why, on the collapse, so many went to work abroad.  Many had relatives, or there were diaspora Ukrainians willing to help them to find jobs.  Many had opportunities to work as Europe's "Mexicans".  It is not unusual, if you go to a village and see no adults, only the elderly and the children abandoned by their parents, who have gone abroad to work. 


Almost every Western Ukrainian has relatives who live in the diaspora, even if those relatives are distant and they've lost contact.  So, crossing borders for better economic opportunity was not a foreign concept to them.  BTW, the largest recipient of Western Ukrainian workers currently is Russia.

So if this is true then what we are saying is W. Ukrainians deal with their economic hardships differently, they have established other avenues over time or traditions. Whereas central & east Ukrainians see marrying abroad as a much more apparent option.

These are of course generalisations - the last girl I was with in Kherson her father was in Poland working, the mother was not and she she was looking for a foreign guy so perhaps less women from central & east Ukraine see it as an option for themselves to travel to Poland or Russia to look for work.

For me even if W.Ukrainians have not considered a foreign guy it does not necessarily mean that face with the choice they would not countenance such an option. I think I will have to contact a few and see if I can make any headway and see what I can make of the situation.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Blighty on March 30, 2018, 06:15:47 AM
Trenchcoat, you are over-thinking the reasons for Ukrainians to work in Poland. There are economic reasons as explained by the following articles ...

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725707-now-poles-worry-visa-free-travel-may-lure-them-rest-eu-ukrainian-immigrants-are
http://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3afa-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec
http://www.e-ir.info/2017/04/25/economic-migration-of-ukrainians-to-the-eu-a-view-from-poland/

Women look overseas for a partner due to a number of reasons. My wife, as an older woman, explored this option as she was seeking only a long-term and stable relationship. She is very thrifty and avoids designer labels as they are "too expensive". My wife would rather spend the money on an extra foreign holiday each year.

The girl from Kherson was a bad experience, and you should now be over it. Try a site with ordinary Ukrainian women. Genuine women often use http://dmnotify.com/ . My wife was disappointed by the men on that site, and so she decided to join an agency in the hope of meeting a reasonable person.

Good luck.
   
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 30, 2018, 08:55:50 AM



Most women who consider marrying overseas want a better life. Nothing wrong with that. Who doesn't want a better life. Of course most of those women hope to find love too. Trench, find someone who will love you and you won't get used. People in life who used you don't like you. Stay away from those people. If a woman thinks you're going to use her, she she will discard you quickly.



Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: ML on March 30, 2018, 11:22:06 AM

Trench, find someone who will love you and you won't get used. People in life who used you don't like you. Stay away from those people.

But NO ONE has found a fool proof way to do this.

And even if initially successful . . . people change.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: BillyB on March 30, 2018, 03:26:07 PM
But NO ONE has found a fool proof way to do this.

And even if initially successful . . . people change.


Some guys want guarantees for life and are so worried about failure, they never get married and life passes them by. Even if a person finds someone to love them two years, it's better than finding nobody.


I'm not too concerned if my wife loves me for only a few more years. I can find somebody or a lot of people to love me. Some guys do a lot of thinking to figure things out so they get it right which can take years while other guys get all the action.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 01, 2018, 07:33:28 AM
Trenchcoat, you are over-thinking the reasons for Ukrainians to work in Poland. There are economic reasons as explained by the following articles ...

http://www.economist.com/news/europe/21725707-now-poles-worry-visa-free-travel-may-lure-them-rest-eu-ukrainian-immigrants-are
http://www.ft.com/content/aeda9ebe-3afa-11e7-ac89-b01cc67cfeec
http://www.e-ir.info/2017/04/25/economic-migration-of-ukrainians-to-the-eu-a-view-from-poland/

Women look overseas for a partner due to a number of reasons. My wife, as an older woman, explored this option as she was seeking only a long-term and stable relationship. She is very thrifty and avoids designer labels as they are "too expensive". My wife would rather spend the money on an extra foreign holiday each year.

The girl from Kherson was a bad experience, and you should now be over it. Try a site with ordinary Ukrainian women. Genuine women often use http://dmnotify.com/ . My wife was disappointed by the men on that site, and so she decided to join an agency in the hope of meeting a reasonable person.

Good luck.
 

Thanks for the links Blightly :) Yep had the dmn notify one down already and have now gotten around to looking on there. It looks to me that there are a fair number of women on there (not as many as other parts of Ukraine looking for a WM but enough) so I can contact a few and get the low down on it all. My thoughts are that I can contact a few a week before hand and get a few dates lined up so I'm not going out there with nothing at all in the pipeline.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on April 01, 2018, 08:00:58 AM
So you booked your flight yet Trench?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 01, 2018, 08:28:35 AM
So you booked your flight yet Trench?

Not yet, I've got the rough date of late may to early June penciled in and I think that should work out well enough with work commitments and weather being decent :) It means that even if it does fall a bit flat with the women I can still enjoy the area which I've not been to before. At the very least I can scout out what the area may be like for dating. If no luck in Lvov itself then the surrounding countryside may be a possibility so I could start hitting those areas up online also and see what I can rummage up. I'm pretty confident though that I'll be able to bring up a few girls to meet up with and see if there's any chemistry with any of them.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 01, 2018, 08:56:46 AM


And even if initially successful . . . people change.

Or they just reverted to type and stopped trying to compromise?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 19, 2018, 02:52:41 AM
I just don't have the time to Skype at the moment

Trench, I was thinking of you and your 'aversion' to SKYPE this morning..  You had mentioned it isn't helpful

This morning, SC and I were happily chatting - on SKYPE... ( Google Duo is great for image quality - but has delay issues re audio ) and I remembered your 'advice' to others re SKYPE..



Wake up, man ...  there's lots of nice women out there and you can learn lots about each other - and know if you want to meet them for real

Think of the endless hours of fun you can have when she shows you a new item of clothing she's designed and made or bought for less than a quid !


(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/809/39747725740_deef0ac8d3_n.jpg)

(http://farm1.staticflickr.com/899/39747812060_4f735ba4ed_n.jpg)

STOP making excuses - Skype can be fun

http://youtu.be/vzc8B8LV0v0 (http://youtu.be/vzc8B8LV0v0)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 19, 2018, 03:12:45 PM
I'm sure you can have plenty of fun on Skype Mobe, for what it's worth I have often enjoyed mist of my Skype time even if it was at sometimes burdensome on me making conversation.

Thing is as said before you can get on like a house on fire on Skype then when you meet up nothing! I only have so much time and wish to spend that on finding a girl who is onto me not just having fun with random women. I know I could be getting to know lots of fun enjoyable women on Skype but I want a girl that is into me. If I had all day to Skype like I was retired then no problem but I also need to spend time on wealth creation to in turn make this venture work. Without that it would start to get awkward meeting girls and explaining what I do for a living/how I can support a family.

I mean what did you say when you were last searching for a woman in the FSU Mobers?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 19, 2018, 10:14:16 PM

Thing is as said before you can get on like a house on fire on Skype then when you meet up nothing



I hadn"t used video chat before ....it was in its infancy  in the FSU 12 years ago.


I used it to filter who I wanted to meet

Does it look like ..four years on..that we made a mistake?


You carry on making excuses
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 19, 2018, 11:48:58 PM
I hadn"t used video chat before ....it was in its infancy  in the FSU 12 years ago.


I used it to filter who I wanted to meet

Does it look like ..four years on..that we made a mistake?


You carry on making excuses

Out of so many that use Skype some that meet up will find there is chemistry, most I believe won't. So I'm assuming you got lucky or you were both after more of a companion.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: mhr7 on April 20, 2018, 12:16:53 AM
Out of so many that use Skype some that meet up will find there is chemistry, most I believe won't. So I'm assuming you got lucky or you were both after more of a companion.

Trench, it's one of the best tools you have to avoid women you definitely don't connect with and find the ones you do.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Davo2 on April 20, 2018, 12:36:31 AM
I'm not sure how you're skyping trench, but it's exactly like dating face to face at a restaurant etc... You can build attraction, flirt, read body language and facial expressions etc.... I've used Skype several times when online dating  locally and the chemistry is just as strong as real life.

Chemistry is more than physical  interaction,  it's far deeper than that. Chemistry is her laughing constantly in your presence,  the sparkle in her eyes and anticipation on her face when she sees you. It's the shy, but not uncomfortable  look when you stop talking and just admire her beauty etc... All things you can experience on Skype that will carry into real life.

You're throwing away your biggest asset in your dating arsenal. Cold approaches and first dates with minimal contact before hand,  are far more difficult than you think. It took me many dates to lose the anxiety and start relaxing, being confident and then successful. 

Look at this as playing at an international sporting event. You would use every tool possible to be successful and I think more importantly, you wouldn't compete if you had no practice in the lowers leagues at home. Your best "training" before you travel is just approaching women and seeing if you can keep a conversation and their interest going for at least several minutes. You'll soon work out, it's not particularly what you say that's important, but your body language and energy you  present.

Go out this weekend and just chat to as many women as you can... 20 - 30 etc.... I went through a stage were I did this to beat approach anxiety. Most were flattered to have a guy stop them for a friendly chat and I even got a few dates from it .....  Confidence is the key!!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 20, 2018, 01:34:10 AM
Trench

You just had incredibly useful advice.

Other than how a person smells or if they have bad breath video chat is a brilliant tool







Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 20, 2018, 08:19:27 AM
I'm not sure how you're skyping trench, but it's exactly like dating face to face at a restaurant etc... You can build attraction, flirt, read body language and facial expressions etc.... I've used Skype several times when online dating  locally and the chemistry is just as strong as real life.

Chemistry is more than physical  interaction,  it's far deeper than that. Chemistry is her laughing constantly in your presence,  the sparkle in her eyes and anticipation on her face when she sees you. It's the shy, but not uncomfortable  look when you stop talking and just admire her beauty etc... All things you can experience on Skype that will carry into real life.

You're throwing away your biggest asset in your dating arsenal. Cold approaches and first dates with minimal contact before hand,  are far more difficult than you think. It took me many dates to lose the anxiety and start relaxing, being confident and then successful. 

Look at this as playing at an international sporting event. You would use every tool possible to be successful and I think more importantly, you wouldn't compete if you had no practice in the lowers leagues at home. Your best "training" before you travel is just approaching women and seeing if you can keep a conversation and their interest going for at least several minutes. You'll soon work out, it's not particularly what you say that's important, but your body language and energy you  present.

Go out this weekend and just chat to as many women as you can... 20 - 30 etc.... I went through a stage were I did this to beat approach anxiety. Most were flattered to have a guy stop them for a friendly chat and I even got a few dates from it .....  Confidence is the key!!

I kind of go with the natural chemistry thing rather than see if I can build it up by flirting as I think its more consistent long term. If you really pee a girl off over something/or she is attracted to others and there is natural chemistry it will always be there.

Sure there are all those signs of flirting but I think the thing that sets it off in the first place is the pheromones - the scent/smell. An attractive looking girl is an attractive looking girl but there is not necessarily attraction to every attractive looking girl. I think flirting etc can be done over Skype to build up attraction but on meeting this can either fall flat if the scent is not right or later on. I don't really want an artificially built attraction but a natural one from the get go. I don't want to coerce a girl into being attracted to me I want her to be attracted to me naturally & automatically by instinct. This I think is best meeting in person pretty much straight of the bat.   
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 20, 2018, 08:36:46 AM
I don't want to coerce a girl into being attracted to me I want her to be attracted to me naturally & automatically by instinct. This I think is best meeting in person pretty much straight of the bat.


..and how has that plan worked for you ? ...

Newsflash:  videochat is not all about 'flirting'
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 20, 2018, 08:43:31 AM

..and how has that plan worked for you ? ...

Newsflash:  videochat is not all about 'flirting'

To Dave it sounds that way.

So prey tell Mobers what do you see video chat about?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 20, 2018, 10:22:49 AM
See above...not repeating myself because  you were too lazy...

Is this another of your qualities?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 20, 2018, 12:43:13 PM
See above...not repeating myself because  you were too lazy...

Is this another of your qualities?

Oh you mean your pre-vetting the girls & having fun, etc

A lot of this can be done without video chat and of course upon meeting. Sure I will no doubt meet a few that won't be suitable personality wise etc. The same can be said that some won't be suitable chemistry wise but I think I would prefer to get both sorted there and then.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 20, 2018, 02:45:58 PM
Oh you mean your pre-vetting the girls & having fun, etc

A lot of this can be done without video chat and of course upon meeting. Sure I will no doubt meet a few that won't be suitable personality wise etc. The same can be said that some won't be suitable chemistry wise but I think I would prefer to get both sorted there and then.


Must you keep proving you just don't read?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boomstick77 on April 20, 2018, 04:37:36 PM
Maybe certain men get away with things or I got lucky but unlikely then others but you want to vaporize a girls panties...after watching first meets on YouTube..I thought..cowards...hasn’t anyone figured out the strong man thing.. I told my woman when I get past security I’m not coming in for a handshake, a warm embrace, or hello and walk to the cab. I’m coming in for a full blown makeout. Anyone do that? Or just me. I seen that gorgeous face look around the security line and I thought..woah,.shes more gorgeous in person...time to show her why I’m worth waiting 6 months for...were married now. Ukrainians are reserved but screw that. Three boyfriends in her life and two were British...well...no competition. Biggest FSU girls annoyance..Europeans are cheap. I had a few girls back in the day say they should just stay in their country If they are to cheap. Even a gopnik knows how to treat a girl on a date..I said that’s what I seen what I was against... nothing. Gotta love the pic...arrogance..prick... if only I discovered your guys side of the world sooner...
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boomstick77 on April 20, 2018, 04:56:06 PM
Pity..pics error.. to handsome to post...I broke the website...good stuff
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on April 20, 2018, 05:36:44 PM
Europeans are cheap. I had a few girls back in the day say they should just stay in their country If they are to cheap. Even a gopnik knows how to treat a girl on a date..

From what I have learnt whilst dating Ukrainian women I would just ignore such talk from a girl. If she complains as such she is just being manipulative and if she doesn't like how I am she can walk. Playing to such criticisms as I have found will not earn her respect instead it will damage the relationship if there is even one to be had. I pay for food & drink & basic entertainment and that's it if she's not happy with that then I figure she us not happy with me either way and time to move on.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Davo2 on April 20, 2018, 05:52:17 PM
Hhaaa, if trench had half your confidence Broomstick, he wouldn't need to look any further than his street.

You make some good points, without being too cocky you need to walk in and own it, with the attitude that you're the greatest man that walked the earth. What makes a successful man is reading the type of woman you're on a date with, the wrong approach will shoot you in the foot instantly.... Skyping is the best way of working this out before you meet.

The woman I'm talking to is pretty traditional and if I come on too strong, without getting to know each other like we have, she would run the other direction. On the other end of the scale I've been on dates with women who have let me kiss them before we've finished our first drink. Some I've slept with an hour after I've met them and others I've waited a month. Different personalities require different approaches, the skill in being successful is reading this. Some men are naturally gifted, others have to work on it.

Since your not skyping Trench and as a guy who had to work on it, I'll give you the best advice I was given and it has never failed me. Always have your first date at a restaurant with a bar, or any place where you can stand up and chat first. Take a glance at her feet. If she's got her legs crossed you are doing great, it's a subconscious sign she finds you interesting, she's settled in and is not planning to go anywhere. Standing square on is good too, but if within the first minute or so she has one foot pointing away towards the door or a walkway, you need to step it up big time. She either wants to subconsciously leave or is about to excuse herself an go to the toilet. We actually all do this, it's a great sign of our interest in a person and the conversation. If you take my advice and go and chat with women this weekend, you'll notice this occurring without fail.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boomstick77 on April 20, 2018, 11:39:32 PM
Good points davo2.we all have our own methods what works. Traditional or not you have to be the strong man. I have human moments from time to time. When I separated from my wife it was awesome but crazy at the same time. I thought..let’s see what I can get at the age of 37. So I went to a pub anf the New York rangers were playing. Not caring what was going on this little university vixen about maybe 22 or 23 walks up and says...how come your here all alone..I said who says I’m alone..everyone here is my friend..they just don’t know it yet...we got into some small talk and this is how I knew I was a little rusty...we got more personal on what I do and what not and I asked her what she’s into and she said “rope”... I was like..what do they sing thinking it’s a band...she was like no I’m into rope..I finally clued in and said..ohhh..right on. So she got her drink and took off but every time she walked by she poked me in the side to remind me she was there.. dude beside me said,,I think she likes you...I said...what do I have to lose...so I chugged my beer and got up and said watch this...I wouldn’t pull a move like this these days because of the metoo movement but I parted the sea of hipsters and grabbed her and made out with her. I felt guilty..spending 11 years with the ex...it was weird... so I left the bar confused but I got over it. Then later on I discovered Ukraine. If I killed it in Canada then Ukraine would be even easier...it was.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on April 21, 2018, 12:25:45 AM
 Second request to Broomstick

Please could you break your posts into paragraphs?



Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 03, 2018, 05:49:55 PM
Well I've booked time off work for early June for a good couple of weeks :) I'm going to Krakow first for a few days before, crossing the border to Lviv. To me at the moment it seemingly makes more sense to try an area less of an industrial shitehole where the people are downtrodden and wish to escape perhaps a little too anxiously. I'm pretty confident I will be able to get enough response in Lviv, if not I will reassess but I think this area, apparently quite nice but perhaps not too nice in that women will still be quite willing to leave, I hope, should perhaps suit my needs better. I'll trip report for it as and when I can and let you all know how it goes ;)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 03, 2018, 06:38:09 PM
Didn’t do your homework. Western Ukraine is far poorer than Central and Eastern Ukraine.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: krimster2 on May 03, 2018, 07:02:06 PM
I think Trench would do well in the shelled out regions of Eastern Ukraine
plus he has NHS health care so he he could look at potential partners who have health issues
and offer them free NHS insurance, many American women would jump at the chance...
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 03, 2018, 09:44:39 PM
Didn’t do your homework. Western Ukraine is far poorer than Central and Eastern Ukraine.

More poorer perhaps but the less industrial more pleasant surroundings may I'm hoping garner a better quality of lady :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: treadmilldude on May 04, 2018, 01:57:40 AM
Somewhere in life you lost your way Trenchcoat. You lost the "Goodness", the "Decency", the "Love" that is naturally inherent in everyone's moral compass.

There is something that is just evil about you. You are not mentally right. You are not fit to ever be a Husband or Father.

I hope and pray that no Woman in the UK ever marries you. I hope and pray that no Woman in the FSU ever marries you.

With every bone in my body I hope you stay single the rest of your life and never Father a Child.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 04, 2018, 09:47:10 AM
More poorer perhaps but the less industrial more pleasant surroundings may I'm hoping garner a better quality of lady :)


People change places.  Places don't change people. 

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: krimster2 on May 04, 2018, 10:52:35 AM
or...

change places people in chains
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 04, 2018, 11:05:24 AM
Even people in chains don't really change, though.  The same archetypes exist in all societies.  Just the rules and norms of behaviour change.  Your successful hedge fund manager who uses loopholes in legislation to buy up mortgages, then foreclose on families putting them on the street so that his company's profit, and his bonus, increases, is really no different in morality than the communist bureaucrat putting people in gulags for their thoughts.  The only difference is the degree of effect on people.

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: krimster2 on May 04, 2018, 11:15:06 AM
"Even people in chains don't really change"
and you don't find that terribly strange...
that we could be bound to anything or nothing...


Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 04, 2018, 11:26:52 AM

People change places.  Places don't change people.

Not according to Roosh, when he went to Kharkiv his view was that the industrial shitehole surroundings made people unpleasant, unhappy, angry even. Even after a few months out there he too started to feel this way.

I know what your saying that its the person personality that makes or breaks a place. If the surroundings are gloomy & run down though I think it takes its toll on people after a while.

Not nice people can be found in all sorts of places but I tend to find pleasant surroundings pick a person up. Even in the UK it is generally thought that most countryside areas contain people that are more pleasant. There are always a**holes of course but if a person has more room, pleasanter surroundings I think it can make a difference from a cramped industrial wasteland with muck & filth everywhere where the feeling is you have to fight to get anything.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 04, 2018, 11:30:48 AM
"Even people in chains don't really change"
and you don't find that terribly strange...
that we could be bound to anything or nothing...
It's been discussed since the beginning of time. 

Read Peter Van Inwagen.

Not according to Roosh, when he went to Kharkiv his view was that the industrial shitehole surroundings made people unpleasant, unhappy, angry even. Even after a few months out there he too started to feel this way.
I'm not in the habit of accepting the observations of degenerate cowards.

Quote
I know what your saying that its the person personality that makes or breaks a place. If the surroundings are gloomy & run down though I think it takes its toll on people after a while.
No.  I am saying exactly the opposite.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: krimster2 on May 04, 2018, 12:30:27 PM
Peter Van Inwagen's paper on Quine's "1946 Lecture on Nominalism" totally changed my views on "Free Will"
as I'm sure it must've changed yours as well...
how refreshing to read philosophy paper in English, n'est-ce pas"
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 05, 2018, 05:27:21 AM

I'm not in the habit of accepting the observations of degenerate cowards.

Well I have to admit I find it strange that he just seems interested in boning girls without seemingly any desire for a long term relationship never mind marriage and kids. It's generally not my aim as I'm after a more long term thing. Taking into account his age I'm surprised he is not after the same. Still I don't doubt his observation of the state of Kharkiv, Northkape in his story shows a pretty shocking picture of what an industrial city out there really entails.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: mhr7 on May 05, 2018, 07:13:03 AM
Still I don't doubt his observation of the state of Kharkiv, Northkape in his story shows a pretty shocking picture of what an industrial city out there really entails.
Kharkov, industrial shithole.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nc259UlvRlk
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 05, 2018, 07:19:08 AM
Well I have to admit I find it strange that he just seems interested in boning girls without seemingly any desire for a long term relationship never mind marriage and kids. It's generally not my aim as I'm after a more long term thing. Taking into account his age I'm surprised he is not after the same. Still I don't doubt his observation of the state of Kharkiv, Northkape in his story shows a pretty shocking picture of what an industrial city out there really entails.

I repeat. I am not interested in the opinions of a degenerate coward.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432531/Pictured-pick-artist-center-international-pro-rape-storm-t-shirt-shorts-door-mother-s-home-lives-basement.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 05, 2018, 01:23:41 PM
Did you ever consider that:

1.  Roosh is very foreign looking, and therefore, in Ukraine, already suspect.

2.  The controversy surrounding his view that raping a woman if you can get away with it reached Ukraine.

3.  He appeared on television in Ukraine, advocating his superficial pick up for a night philosophy.

4.  He claimed Ukraine was becoming too "Western", and UW longed "Western lifestyles" so much, they were moving en masse to Poland (stupid statement and not the reason they're moving there, as anyone with half a brain would realize).

So, a foreign misogynist comes to the country, admits he's there basically as a sex tourist, advocates rape if you get a woman alone, and is shocked, I tell you, shocked, that women and the locals give him the cold shoulder.  And then, you're reading the cr@p he posts as if he has any form of authority.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: krimster2 on May 05, 2018, 01:58:39 PM
Bo'

never heard of "ROOSH" before, k'to eta?
someone on this board?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 05, 2018, 02:07:58 PM
He is the pick up artist king.  Books/blog/forum.  I only heard of him when he advocated raping women.  He apparently has quite the following of men with no social skills or ability to relate to women as human beings.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: krimster2 on May 05, 2018, 02:23:10 PM
The Bill Cosby Method is worse...
my daughters aren't allowed to accept drinks in public if not in our presence...

with competition like that, it's NOT hard to shine!!!!
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: alex330 on May 05, 2018, 02:48:35 PM
1.  Roosh is very foreign looking

So, a foreign misogynist comes to the country, admits he's there basically as a sex tourist, advocates rape if you get a woman alone, and is shocked, I tell you, shocked, that women and the locals give him the cold shoulder.  And then, you're reading the cr@p he posts as if he has any form of authority.


Greasy looking guy. They should set him up with a "date" with Defacto.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Boethius on May 05, 2018, 02:50:42 PM
Who is "DeFacto"?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: alex330 on May 05, 2018, 03:27:51 PM
Who is "DeFacto"?


The male anti-prostitution/sex tourist group in Kyiv. The big Ukes that made the Turkish guy stand naked on the street.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 05, 2018, 03:49:17 PM
I repeat. I am not interested in the opinions of a degenerate coward.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3432531/Pictured-pick-artist-center-international-pro-rape-storm-t-shirt-shorts-door-mother-s-home-lives-basement.html?ito=social-twitter_dailymailus

Thanks Boe, that's an hilarious article! LOL :ROFL:

Didn't know the guy literally lived in his in his Mother's basement. Kind of makes a bit of a joke of the guy. Guess being a misogynist doesn't pay well, lol.

Well I guess he doesn't have a LTR as telling FSW  he lives in his Mother's basement he probably knows would scupper most international relationships. I never really fancied his sex tourist outlook as I'm looking for an LTR, family, children if possible. I still think despite the type of guy he is not all his observations are necessarily off target. Even non sex tourists as myself may fund some of the info useful or at least intriguing.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: JayH on May 05, 2018, 06:07:27 PM
Bo'

never heard of "ROOSH" before, k'to eta?
someone on this board?

He actually did appear on this board over a period of time.
He mostly got mauled -- with the exception of a few idiots.

The fact that fools like Trenchcoat ( & previously DK) follow and read -- and REPEAT his nonsense  is an issue. :wallbash:


FWIW -- he has written a blog of sex tourism and made numerous videos  -- he paints himself as a genuis sexer(sic)!  & sick  & disgusting

FWIW2 --  on forum -he never knew when to shut up -- a characteristic TC shares with him
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: JayH on May 05, 2018, 06:21:36 PM

Didn't know the guy literally lived in his in his Mother's basement. Kind of makes a bit of a joke of the guy. Guess being a misogynist doesn't pay well, lol.


Makes a joke of him? It makes an even bigger joke of  the fools who follow him -- that being the likes of you and DK.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2018, 05:30:51 AM
Well, last night I was up looking through more profiles of women for my upcoming trip to Lviv. What came as a pleasant surprise to me was as a result of the last girl in particular my analysis of their photos and the sort of girl I may meet has seemed to improve I believe.

This was not a case of avoiding any similar in style to what had been on her profile. A little perhaps but most were decent enough, but a closer idea of the type of person I would likely meet. Many of my last girls photos that I took while with her were very posed and she had previous to that sent along some photos that in hindsight & with a bit of thought were a little telling.

So I now found myself shifting & sorting with increased efficiency I believe. Girls that were too confident looking in multiple staged positions/scenes were out. Girl's wearing obvious fashion brand stuff visibly had a big mark against them for it which would likely condemn them to not passing this first round. These were not the sort of girls I am after. I'm after a more everyday girl, not too confident in front of the camera and hence an almost problematic girl to deal with in real life.

Admittedly a few very attractive girls did make the cut that did not fall foul of the above. There were also some girls that were more everyday looking though and this is what I preferred, decent looking but everyday looking, the ideal being a sweet authentic looking, normal looking girl really.

Basically again going for girls without kids. This time I'm just strictly going for the older girls more nearer my age. I want to find a girl that is intent on having children no messing about. Girls more nearer my age are going to be in the same boat as me if they are all serious about having children.

The way I see it I can either be meeting an older woman who will be serious about getting together with someone my age or I could meet younger women that are fun but miss out on the more serious older women. Now I know some will say young women mid twenties or whatever can be serious too and they probably can but on a numbers front I think more women will be serious in their thirties or close to it than the younger girls.

So that is where I am at the moment, Lviv trip all booked and starting to get some contenders lined up. I think if I can just get these women to meet me for a drink then I could come across quite well with some of them and if my luck is in meet one with Chemistry :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on May 23, 2018, 05:42:26 AM
Trench, as I've said before - with your misogynist attitude - you WILL fail and you're wasting your money and their time .

Edit: let me be more 'constructive'

You must look for a lass that understands enough English to be allowed into the UK - as she has to pass a test

You are going out on a VM like a blind date

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Blighty on May 23, 2018, 07:50:23 AM
You must look for a lass that understands enough English to be allowed into the UK - as she has to pass a test

Look at English A1 Life Skills Test on Youtube (there are examples from Pakistan, etc.). I watched them all in order to prepare my wife for that test. She found it quite easy as we had practised the A1 test many times via Skype. It is just like taking the old 11+ exam. The 'pass' result is valid for 2 years.

The next test is A2 Life Skills due after 30 months, and again expires after 2 years. Finally, there is the B1 Life Skills for ILR after another 30 months. It is all just a way of making it costly to have a foreign spouse. They have recently started a 10 years to ILR for people struggling to meet certain criteria. Hope this all helps.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2018, 08:30:55 AM
Trench, as I've said before - with your misogynist attitude - you WILL fail and you're wasting your money and their time .

Edit: let me be more 'constructive'

You must look for a lass that understands enough English to be allowed into the UK - as she has to pass a test

You are going out on a VM like a blind date

Well I generally keep my misogynist attitudes quiet most of the time, particularly if I feel girl won't take to it too well. It varies though, some girls I met want jobs, others don't, some seem to want to study more, just a case of weighing up the girl and seeing if she could possibly fit in & vice versa.

Many of the girls I am looking at have put down that they know English and of course that can vary. To be honest a girl knowing English can help the process a lot. Though even one that needs to learn up on it is not necessarily a no go. Last girls English wasn't great but got a bit better along the way enough that she could have been a viable option.

Yes I am going out on VM like a blind date - Ideal world being to run through a lot of girls till I find one with chemistry.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 23, 2018, 08:31:47 AM
Look at English A1 Life Skills Test on Youtube (there are examples from Pakistan, etc.). I watched them all in order to prepare my wife for that test. She found it quite easy as we had practised the A1 test many times via Skype. It is just like taking the old 11+ exam. The 'pass' result is valid for 2 years.

The next test is A2 Life Skills due after 30 months, and again expires after 2 years. Finally, there is the B1 Life Skills for ILR after another 30 months. It is all just a way of making it costly to have a foreign spouse. They have recently started a 10 years to ILR for people struggling to meet certain criteria. Hope this all helps.

Thanks Blighty, appreciate it :)
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 25, 2018, 09:19:04 AM
Well got a number of girls shortlisted now to call up. At least a couple of favourites at the moment but now they can be very different in meeting, sometimes even if you Skype.

One of the girls actually isn't showing off all her cleavage etc. Quite Modestly dressed, and while this might be no bad thing in a way, I'm a little concerned she might be a bit on the too modest personality side. Still its really the chemistry which will make it or break it at the end of the day.

At the moment in an ideal world I am thinking of meeting up with 1 girl a day, so for 10 days that would make 10 girls. I am aiming to contact them one or two at a time so book girl 1 on the first day then a girl on the following day if possible. I'll continue until either I run out of girls or days, or much preferably I find the right one. At that point I will shelve contacting the rest of the girls on the  list and concentrate on the girl I have chemistry with. Worst case scenario and it all flops I will just enjoy a pleasant area and make a tour off it, drink & dine in few restaurants in what should be pleasant surroundings :) Then of course reassess strategy for next time and try anew. I'm fairly optimistic at the moment though so shall see how it goes.
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: krimster2 on May 25, 2018, 09:29:30 AM
"One of the girls actually isn't showing off all her cleavage etc. Quite Modestly dressed"

don't pre-judge
otherwise it's prejudicial  :)

russian women don't want to be seen as "cheap"
that influences their behavior especially with a stranger
when a woman is comfortable around you
behavior is completely different

Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Sting23 on May 25, 2018, 09:49:38 AM
You going to Ukraine or Russia?
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: Trenchcoat on May 25, 2018, 09:52:17 AM
You going to Ukraine or Russia?

Ukraine
Title: Re: My plans for 2018 FSU Dating
Post by: msmob on May 25, 2018, 02:42:35 PM
Well got a number of girls shortlisted now to call up. At least a couple of favourites at the moment but now they can be very different in meeting, sometimes even if you Skype.


No.... NEVER  had that happen ..  'strange', that ...