Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Introductions and Ice-Breaker => Topic started by: Terryrnz on March 12, 2017, 11:36:12 PM
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Hey new to this page, I'm 32 originally from New Zealand but have lived on the Gold Coast Australia for some years now. I work for a large infrastructure construction company planning and construction of New motorway/highways. Am well travelled and have solo backpacked through some 20+ countries in my 20s, I love and respect Australian and New Zealand women a lot but travelling has made me realise that's not who I want to settle down with so have decided to go to Crimea then Ukraine this July to meet up with a few people I have been chatting to online and see where it goes from there :). Never been to Ukraine but have visited Moscow for only some 3 days when backpacking can also speak Russian basic everyday topics etc from classes I took years ago back in school. :)
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welcome terry
be carefull in crimea , im sure you have checked out DFATS travel warnings etc
visit yalta and lavidia palace while your there ,
there are other aussies/kiwis on here
so your visit is to meet up with lady /ladies ro just suss the place out ?/
basic russian is handy , polish it before you go if you can
SX
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Only going to Crimea as one of the ladies I'm talking to lives in Sevastopol, I thought Crimea was fine and safe for visiting, Donetsk etc are the regions with travel warnings from our travel guides here. I do have to enter through Russia though as the flight to Simferopol is from Moscow so the trip will require me 2 different tourist visas.
No trip is to meet up with 3 women I've been talking to for some months now,
One in Zaporozhye one in Kharkov and the other in Sevastopol but yes sight seeing on the way obviously will also go to Volgograd on the trip as I want to see the ww2 memorial there and will spend couple days in Moscow but don't know anyone there. The first week of my trip I will be in Belgrade Serbia visiting friends I met there while backpacking the other 3 weeks Russia then Ukraine.
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Terry -- having read earlier posts and not commented -- I am reserving any welcome.
Are you not aware of the situation with Crimea? From your post-- apparently not.
There is nothing nice about what has happened in eastern Ukraine or the Crimea and it is wholly at the Russians door.
Spending a cent there is a cent too much.Even visiting is disgusting to me.
Are your tattoos gang related? Bikie? Prison scars?
I note you said you had some removed--why was that?
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No my tattoos are not bikie or gang related, tattoos are a big part of New Zealand culture you should know that as I see you live in Australia. As for what happened in Crimea yes I am aware what happened there, you can call me visiting Crimea disgusting if you want that's fine you're entitled to your opinion but that's the thing about politics there's two sides and I don't agree with your side but I'm not going to get into an argument or debate about it on here. The women I'm meeting in Sevastopol has brought up and considers herself Russian and her city Russian, the lady in Kharkov also the other one in Zaporozhye it hadn't come up because politics aren't something I bring up talking to women in general let alone someone from Eastern Europe. Reserve your welcome for me because we disagree on this that's no problem doesn't effect me in the slightest on some Internet forum but like it or not and whatever your opinion is on Crimea the region is now a part of Russia as they control the border and the local government of the region but as I said this is not a place to start attacking people over this type of stuff when all I did was introduce myself. :)
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When i referred to Crimea being safe I was meaning there is or was no fighting in the region and our government has no travel warnings against the region leave your political bias out of the cities or women I choose to visit, thanks :) also I had neck and hand tattoos removed as bars restaurants tend to have neck and hand policies here on the Gold Coast and would not let you in, was young when I got them and yea,.
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You must live in a vacuum . Crimea is NOT part of Russia full stop.Your general comments show how little you do actually understand.
Russia is currently occupying Crimea with the disapproval of near enough the whole world --including NZ !
My opinion? There is nothing to debate --Russia has invaded Ukraine and good Ukrainians are being killed everyday-- millions of people are suffering as a result-- so what do you think you can debate?
No answer required.
Ok-- I will leave it to others to dissect you-- tell us more of your plans? How did you make contact ?Why FSUW -- that sort of stuff should be enough to feed the pidgeons.
btw Tattoos are Maori culture--not New Zealand btw But also gangs and bikies -- some who wear them are all 3.You failed to mention prison where they are also common ,nor why you had them removed.
I can only wish you get what you deserve on your travels.
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There were 6 people killed in Crimea and in the other regions where there was fighting most deaths were pro Russian civilians being killed by Ukrainian army artillery shelling the information is all there, not all of the New Zealand government has this opinion Just depends on the party you support and I've never been a labour and any left wing supporter. No just because someone has tattoos doesn't mean they have been to jail, I have not. Do you live in the outback or living under a rock for the last 15 years here. The moment you said I hope you get everything you deserve on your travels shows me you're close minded and I don't want to talk with you anymore, yes Crimea is technically under occupation so what do you consider the west bank Palestinian because it's technically under occupation I don't, I consider the West Bank Israeli anyway don't want to talk about politics here and don't want to talk to you anymore bye :) have fun with all your Slavya Ukraine stuff haha such a hero
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Terry
:welcome:
I hope your time with RWD is fruitful. As you have already seen, we are not shy about expressing our opinions.
Crimea is a beautiful place, yet if I were you I would avoid traveling there for political reasons. I am unsure, but the politics could interfere with immigration.
Ukraine has many lovely places to visit, e. g. Carpathian mountains. And Kiev is an interesting city. Russia has more to see yet the travel distances are troublesome.
I travelled much throughout my life (e. g., Afghanistan, Ethiopia). I always found culture and people to be the most interesting part of my visits, and there is no better way to immerse oneself in them than dating the local women.
I wish you well. The tats could be a problem. Yet, the individual attitudes of women can vary widely as you will discover.
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Okay thanks well I've been talking to 3 women already for a couple of months they know I'm tattooed have seen many photos and all have said it's not an issue for them. They're all in their early and mid 20s though so its probably mostly an age thing. Exactly like here my parents generation tattoos not as common as my generation it is. I doubt the politics would interfere with immigration to Australia, Crimeans have Russian passports now so it would be possible to immigrate here.
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I doubt the politics would interfere with immigration to Australia, Crimeans have Russian passports now so it would be possible to immigrate here.
The world considers Russian annexation of Crimea to be an illegal act. This political issue is far from over. You can perhaps compare Crimea to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. Msmob will have something to say about my analogy. The Natural married a woman from Crimea.
The entire process of marrying a FSUW is complicated enough, so why pursue something that could further compound the process? However, if the woman is indeed fine, I can understand the pursuit. In my own life, I went against all advice and pursued a RW who spoke limited English, and I am so glad that I married her even though the journey was difficult.
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Yes she seems great, I was only planning on going to Ukraine so I would only need to get one tourist visa but then the lady from Sevastopol contacted me and caught my attention after chatting for a bit so I changed my mind and decided to visit her also, yea I get that most of the world considers Crimea and occupation and not a repatriation but Russia are building a multi billion bridge to Crimea so I can't see then giving it up or it changing back hands not anytime soon at least. But either way I don't care much for the politics side of it so it's not an issue for me going there. Anyway I'm meeting a few people and things might work with anyone one of them or none who knows. I'm just going there with the mindset of having a holiday and meeting a few ladies at the same time. I can imagine the immigration process can be lengthy etc but regarding someone from Sevastopol if there's a will there's always a way.
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USA and many European countries do not recognize the validity of Russian passports given to people living in Crimea.
You better check if the same does not exist for Australia and New Zealand.
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USA and many European countries do not recognize the validity of Russian passports given to people living in Crimea.
You better check if the same does not exist for Australia and New Zealand.
ML, am curious to know how countries would track if a Russian citizen from Crimea would be known? Could not the person applying for a visa (or non-visa travel) just put that they are from mainland Russia?
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ML, am curious to know how countries would track if a Russian citizen from Crimea would be known? Could not the person applying for a visa (or non-visa travel) just put that they are from mainland Russia?
I am not up to date on this.
But I remember just after the invasion of Crimea that some from there with Russian passports went to Embassy in Moscow to apply for visa to USA.
It could be seen from their documents that the lived in Crimea.
USA Embassy told them they would have to apply for visa in Ukraine using Ukrainian passport.
I suppose some of them are now changing the address on their documents to somewhere outside of Crimea, but it has to be a hassle for them . . . and a good reason to avoid women in Crimea.
The concern should be not just with this initial 'get-together' but for all the future years down the road when the couple (or even just the woman) would want to travel to meet with family, etc.
There are enough standard hurdles in this mission without adding additional ones.
We have a Ukrainian friend here from Simferopol who is dreading the possible hassles and dangers she will face in trying to get back to see her family.
Perhaps others have more recent info.
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Terry-
Good luck in your search, man. It's good you came and asked questions...but when all is said and done, the only real 'answers' that should matter to you are those directly coming from the ladies you're speaking with. Opinions will be aplenty on this site as it pertains to your personal situation. Just be informed that the opinions will be as varied as the ages and personal experiences of those who depart with them. Some you'll relate to while others will definitely come across way off-field.
Here are mine:
1. I'm ethnically 'Filipino' but came to the States in my younger years so I fully identify more to the 'American' culture. I've travelled through Europe, west/central and even east, women-wise - slam dunk! I've been repeatedly asked if I was an 'actor' during my search. Although, don't be too careless with yourself when in-country. Eastern Europeans are more prone to 'nationalism' than central Europe. Don't take too many chances. Even in central Europe before, my female friends would never allow me to wander too far alone because of the local (mostly male) attitudes towards 'Romas'.
Beyond that, IME, it is an 'asset' to be 'brown', dating-wise. Anywhere. I am married to 6' tall blonde and blueyed woman from Novosibirk for 13 years now.
2. Tattoes: I'm not inked myself, never liked them. While we here in the west - generally consider them 'benign', if not altogether 'artful', just understand that the regions you are now looking into are not as accepting of such practice as 'social' norm yet. If anything, tattoes have a dark connotations there. I would be fully upfront about this with the ladies you're corresponding to, if I were you.
3. You would know what your country's immigration rules and requirements are regarding fiancees and family-based immigration. I would suggest doing some research if there will be any snag in you petitioning someone from Sevastopol.
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How is getting to Simferopol a hurdle? There's daily direct flights via Moscow.
You are ignoring the passport/visa issues and safety issues for a Ukrainian nationalist.
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Huh?
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Thanks GQblues for the advice, yes I have been upfront about tattoos with ladies
I'm talking to and they have said no issue, will look into immigration rules but can't see it being an issue. I don't have an Australian passport have a New Zealand one which allows us to work in Australia though so partner ship visa goes through the NZ side of things and I can't see NZ denying a visa because the person comes from a contested part of Russia etc. I can see country like USA or some European countries doing it but honestly things are a little more relaxed here. Will look into it anyway thanks
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You are ignoring the passport/visa issues and safety issues for a Ukrainian nationalist.
oh your friends a Ukrainian nationalist got ya,., yea passport/visa and safety issues there. For me as a tourist visiting though no /passport/visa or safety issues.
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Terry,
Please tell us a few general things about the three women with whom you are communicating.
How did you meet them?
Are you writing, texting, chatting or Skyping?
Why these three vs. others?
Have they invited you to visit them?
If yes, do they know you are traveling to different places in their country (some get offended by this)?
What prevented you from wanting to marry one of your countrywomen?
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Terry,
Please tell us a few general things about the three women with whom you are communicating.
How did you meet them?
Are you writing, texting, chatting or Skyping?
Why these three vs. others?
Have they invited you to visit them?
If yes, do they know you are traveling to different places in their country (some get offended by this)?
What prevented you from wanting to marry one of your countrywomen?
Okay met them on Ukrainewomen.net , paid and talked on there for a bit before I was able to request their emails and phone numbers. Yes mostly talk on email have sent and received a couple of video messages and phoned 2 of them once. One has viber so talk to her on that. Yes they asked if I would ever visit their home and I said I'll be on holiday in Europe in July visiting friends so could pop over and meet them then.
Ones 22 one 24 and the other 29 closer to my age, why they i don't know they were just the 3 that seemed really genuine, good conversation, could speak some English and caught my eye looks wise honestly. No haven't told any I'm visiting different cities but Europe is 30 hours of flying for us , might seem bad but I'm going to meet a few people traveling such a long distance that's just how it is.
Why I haven't married one of own country women I don't know combination of reasons, my city is like a mini Miami, unless you own a ferrari or have muscles like a Greek god half the women won't even talk to you, like I have had girlfriends here but so many are just superficial and high strung, not all of course I'm just at that point in my life where both of my younger siblings have been married for years and it hasn't happened for me yet so why not try something different. Just want to find someone to settle down and be happy with :)
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You are ignoring the passport/visa issues and safety issues for a Ukrainian nationalist.
Your friend will have no visa or passport issues travelling to Simferopol on a Ukrainian passport according to this article, the Ukrainian nationalism stuff dangerous though yes probably.
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/eastern-europe/travel-tips-and-articles/crimea-under-russian-rule-what-has-changed-for-travellers
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Okay met them on Ukrainewomen.net , paid and talked on there for a bit before I was able to request their emails and phone numbers. Yes mostly talk on email have sent and received a couple of video messages and phoned 2 of them once.
I don't know viber, yet if like Skype it is the best way to get to know a FSUW before deciding to meet her.
i don't know they were just the 3 that seemed really genuine, good conversation, could speak some English and caught my eye looks wise honestly.
Good reasons. Keep a couple of calls is not enough to confirm your feelings. Keep talking and see if the conversation becomes even better. And you should eventually be able to discuss personal issues such as values (important to have a reasonable understanding before deciding to visit)
No haven't told any I'm visiting different cities but Europe is 30 hours of flying for us , might seem bad but I'm going to meet a few people traveling such a long distance that's just how it is.
Understandable, and I did the same.
This subject may come up as you talk more and more. Don't voluntarily tell any of them you are visiting different areas. If they ask, be honest and then change the subject. Never, never, never discuss any of the other women.
Why I haven't married one of own country women I don't know combination of reasons, my city is like a mini Miami, unless you own a ferrari or have muscles like a Greek god half the women won't even talk to you,
You will find many FSUW can be just as materialist as your Ferrari loving locals. This can be especially true for the 9s and 10s, who have been spoiled by FSU men and have a sense of entitlement. Your phone conversations should reveal whether this is true for the particular women you like.
I found FSUW to be more forgiving of men's physical looks, with the criterion jokingly being "better looking than a monkey." My opinion is that you certainly will pass the physical appearance test other than many FSUW will reject the tats. However, FSUW will be more demanding about behavior. You should read some of the RWD archives that address "real men" and "strong men."
like I have had girlfriends here but so many are just superficial and high strung, not all of course I'm just at that point in my life where both of my younger siblings have been married for years and it hasn't happened for me yet so why not try something different.
FSUW are women, and some can be high strung and some can be superficial. Enough video calls should be able to identify the latter. The former......maybe.
Just want to find someone to settle down and be happy with :)
Wishing you the best. You will enjoy very much the journey of discovery. Figuratively, don't hang a sign around your neck saying "WIFE VACANCY." Show confidence, pride, and selectivity.
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I don't know viber, yet if like Skype it is the best way to get to know a FSUW before deciding to meet her.
Good reasons. Keep a couple of calls is not enough to confirm your feelings. Keep talking and see if the conversation becomes even better. And you should eventually be able to discuss personal issues such as values (important to have a reasonable understanding before deciding to visit)
Understandable, and I did the same.
This subject may come up as you talk more and more. Don't voluntarily tell any of them you are visiting different areas. If they ask, be honest and then change the subject. Never, never, never discuss any of the other women.
You will find many FSUW can be just as materialist as your Ferrari loving locals. This can be especially true for the 9s and 10s, who have been spoiled by FSU men and have a sense of entitlement. Your phone conversations should reveal whether this is true for the particular women you like.
I found FSUW to be more forgiving of men's physical looks, with the criterion jokingly being "better looking than a monkey." My opinion is that you certainly will pass the physical appearance test other than many FSUW will reject the tats. However, FSUW will be more demanding about behavior. You should read some of the RWD archives that address "real men" and "strong men."
FSUW are women, and some can be high strung and some can be superficial. Enough video calls should be able to identify the latter. The former......maybe.
Wishing you the best. You will enjoy very much the journey of discovery. Figuratively, don't hang a sign around your neck saying "WIFE VACANCY." Show confidence, pride, and selectivity.
Viber is an app and if they have it on their phone you input their phone number and it gives you free txting, calling and video calling but just users data or internet.
Thanks for the advice :)
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The more frequently used application in Eastern Europe is WhatsApp. It is not such a resource hog, but does not have video. I actually like it better.
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Welcome here Terry! I wish you all the best in your search. Good you have got an early introduction to JayH and understand that he is living in some alternate reality. He's even confused about what jurisdiction Crimea is under these days.... Ah, what can you do?
There's a girl that I met a couple of times who came to Moscow from Dnieproprevosk about 15 years ago. Her parents live in Crimea these days. She was last there in September. She said it's pretty much the same as always, except that prices have gone up (not hard for prices to go up from Ukrainian prices) and social services and infrastructure have improved. FWIW
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Your friend will have no visa or passport issues travelling to Simferopol on a Ukrainian passport according to this article, the Ukrainian nationalism stuff dangerous though yes probably.
http://www.lonelyplanet.com/eastern-europe/travel-tips-and-articles/crimea-under-russian-rule-what-has-changed-for-travellers
If I have followed correctly, I think the "friend" you are referring to is JayH. :o
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The more frequently used application in Eastern Europe is WhatsApp. It is not such a resource hog, but does not have video. I actually like it better.
The new versions of Whatsapp have video capability and it seems to work well. My experience throughout this region is that Whatsapp is quite widespread. In Moscow, I've quickly learned that it would be positively weird if a person 40 and below did not have whatsapp. It seems to be a primary form of communication since all you need is wifi or a data plan.
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Hi Terry & welcome to the forum,
I like yourself do not really care much for the politics of the region, I am first and foremost there to find love, not get involved in the in's and out's of it all. The girls I have met & corresponded to tend not to bring it up, only if they live real near those regions and even then some just don't want to know about it. That said I think Crimea is a place where you could be risking danger to yourself if you go there. The Russians will be all over the place and it will likely be heavily militarized. For a local this is not so much a problem but for a foreign guy Russian officials may look upon you with suspicion or worse. There are likely less risky places to search for a gal. Though I guess at least the competition from other foreign men will be thin on the ground ;D
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FSUW are women, and some can be high strung and some can be superficial. Enough video calls should be able to identify the latter. The former......maybe.
I would tend to agree Gator, I've found high strung I don't often mind, with the right girl, perhaps younger girl it can be quite humourous, funny even :D kind of like a harsh cold wind biting at you, but at least you know there odds on sound enough. Superficial is a problem, if they are not being harsh every so often then chances are they are superficial and likelihood is it won't work out. I've found high strung personality come out more in messaging than on video chat. But once the girl get comfortable with you... lol
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Just a simple question, Terry:
If you've had your hand and neck tattoos lasered off, why post old photos showing them?
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Just a simple question, Terry:
If you've had your hand and neck tattoos lasered off, why post old photos showing them?
I sure am glad I never got tattoos!
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will look into immigration rules but can't see it being an issue. I don't have an Australian passport have a New Zealand one which allows us to work in Australia though so partner ship visa goes through the NZ side of things and I can't see NZ denying a visa because the person comes from a contested part of Russia etc. I can see country like USA or some European countries doing it but honestly things are a little more relaxed here. Will look into it anyway thanks
terry
i would highly reccomend you check with imigration or an immigration agent in regards to who you can sponsor on your new zealand passport into australia if your living here in australia , i dont think you can ,
my memory from another kiwi i know who attempted the same was a fail .she had to get her own skilled migration visa here , then permanant residency 2 years later ....
im fairly sure if you dont hold an aussie passport , you cannot sponsor anyone here
if you use your NZ passport , you would need to reside in new zealand
id also check on the process of imiggration from crimea , even with the ''new russian ''passports issued there , it is worth checking first mate with IMMI or an agent .... the documents she would need to provide would certainly show her residence and her last 5-10 years of living status etc in sevastopol , as well as her bitrh certificates etc
even though you have 3 to meet, its worth having all info up front mate before you get too deep in ime
hard to walk away once you have met and become involved etc with any one of them
NZ may not deny a visa , but the legal hoops become much more complicated often , so you need to be eyes wide open imo mate
partner visa or defacto is very hard to meet , unless you have lived together over there for more than 1 year .... fiance visa is your best bet if she moves to NZ or australia on another visa , you will still need to prove you have lived together for more than ayear, and i think she must be offshore before she can apply . it is usually more difficult for partner visa
kharkiv is a great city , lots of good women there , most speak russian as well as ukrainian , if there over 25 they may identify as russian to some degree ,because they where born in USSR but under that age it will be ukrainian who speak russian ime
your behaviour /manners & attitude will be what determines your success , not your skin colour or the tatts
dress sharply , keep clean , no tshirts , or make them polo , good shoes , keep a reign on your wallet , be a gentlemen in your dealings with the women you meet
you are our ambassador , you represent all other kiwis/aussies while your there at present we have agood rep in both places , so look after it ;D
SX
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Welcome to the forum Terry. When visiting my wife for the first time, her mom asked me if I had any tattoos. I did not. Later I asked her what she would've thought if I did have tattoos. She told me she would've told her daughter not to marry me.
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I have already talked to immigrantion about it and said you can on on a New Zealand passport living in Australia called defacto relationship or family visa for New Zealanders, my good mate here done the same he has a NZ passport only lives here but his girlfriend from Serbia while he was travelling now lives he's on defacto relationship visa, he told me he had to show them all of their messages, photos etc to prove they were in a relationship. She's lived here now 2 years they have a 2 year daughter and are engaged.
terry
i would highly reccomend you check with imigration or an immigration agent in regards to who you can sponsor on your new zealand passport into australia if your living here in australia , i dont think you can ,
my memory from another kiwi i know who attempted the same was a fail .she had to get her own skilled migration visa here , then permanant residency 2 years later ....
im fairly sure if you dont hold an aussie passport , you cannot sponsor anyone here
if you use your NZ passport , you would need to reside in new zealand
id also check on the process of imiggration from crimea , even with the ''new russian ''passports issued there , it is worth checking first mate with IMMI or an agent .... the documents she would need to provide would certainly show her residence and her last 5-10 years of living status etc in sevastopol , as well as her bitrh certificates etc
even though you have 3 to meet, its worth having all info up front mate before you get too deep in ime
hard to walk away once you have met and become involved etc with any one of them
NZ may not deny a visa , but the legal hoops become much more complicated often , so you need to be eyes wide open imo mate
partner visa or defacto is very hard to meet , unless you have lived together over there for more than 1 year .... fiance visa is your best bet if she moves to NZ or australia on another visa , you will still need to prove you have lived together for more than ayear, and i think she must be offshore before she can apply . it is usually more difficult for partner visa
kharkiv is a great city , lots of good women there , most speak russian as well as ukrainian , if there over 25 they may identify as russian to some degree ,because they where born in USSR but under that age it will be ukrainian who speak russian ime
your behaviour /manners & attitude will be what determines your success , not your skin colour or the tatts
dress sharply , keep clean , no tshirts , or make them polo , good shoes , keep a reign on your wallet , be a gentlemen in your dealings with the women you meet
you are our ambassador , you represent all other kiwis/aussies while your there at present we have agood rep in both places , so look after it ;D
SX
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The more frequently used application in Eastern Europe is WhatsApp.
Is it ? - Not my experience. According to this article, of last year, Whatsapp is more Popular in Russia, with Viber more so in Belarus, Moldova and Ukraine.
http://www.similarweb.com/blog/worldwide-messaging-apps (http://www.similarweb.com/blog/worldwide-messaging-apps)
It is not such a resource hog, but does not have video. I actually like it better.
Whatsapp uses less bandwidth to send messages to other users than Viber - important if one of you has a poor connection or has a data limited service cap, but Viber can also be used to - with credit - to make calls to non users and can run - more easily on multiple devices, simultaneously.
For video calling, Skype works better than Viber - in my experience - holding on to the Video - where Viber will 'let it go' during a slow down, wile Skype - lets you know you have 'crap ' connection - between parties, but doesn't automatically turn off the video - a pain if one of you is on the move.
I have all three on my smartphones. But one has to be careful with Viber/Whatsapp - as you can end up with many IDs - if you use it with pay as you go sim cards and get different numbers for each trip. Best to pay a for a good data plan when in a third nation and connect your 'home' phone to a Wifi network created by the local sim in a second smartphone - then you can send receive msgs or make calls on the home device using to your 'home' Viber / Whatsapp account.
This isn't an issue with Skype has one id working across many platforms- irrespective of your cell / mobile number.
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I have already talked to immigrantion about it and said you can on on a New Zealand passport living in Australia called defacto relationship or family visa for New Zealanders, my good mate here done the same he has a NZ passport only lives here but his girlfriend from Serbia while he was travelling now lives he's on defacto relationship visa, he told me he had to show them all of their messages, photos etc to prove they were in a relationship. She's lived here now 2 years they have a 2 year daughter and are engaged.
did you do this verbally or do you have something in writing terry ?/
pretty sure the fine print will advise you must have lived together for at least 12 months with defacto or partner visa
anyway , im sure you will manage
SX
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She told me she would've told her daughter not to marry me.
And I would not have married you either.
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And I would not have married you either.
You're anti tattoo like my MIL? I've got no tattoos but you're out of luck, I'm spoken for now.
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Excellent point ;D
Welcome to the forum!
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terry
i would highly reccomend you check with imigration or an immigration agent in regards to who you can sponsor on your new zealand passport into australia if your living here in australia , i dont think you can ,
my memory from another kiwi i know who attempted the same was a fail .she had to get her own skilled migration visa here , then permanant residency 2 years later ....
im fairly sure if you dont hold an aussie passport , you cannot sponsor anyone here
if you use your NZ passport , you would need to reside in new zealand
id also check on the process of imiggration from crimea , even with the ''new russian ''passports issued there , it is worth checking first mate with IMMI or an agent .... the documents she would need to provide would certainly show her residence and her last 5-10 years of living status etc in sevastopol , as well as her bitrh certificates etc
even though you have 3 to meet, its worth having all info up front mate before you get too deep in ime
hard to walk away once you have met and become involved etc with any one of them
NZ may not deny a visa , but the legal hoops become much more complicated often , so you need to be eyes wide open imo mate
partner visa or defacto is very hard to meet , unless you have lived together over there for more than 1 year .... fiance visa is your best bet if she moves to NZ or australia on another visa , you will still need to prove you have lived together for more than ayear, and i think she must be offshore before she can apply . it is usually more difficult for partner visa
kharkiv is a great city , lots of good women there , most speak russian as well as ukrainian , if there over 25 they may identify as russian to some degree ,because they where born in USSR but under that age it will be ukrainian who speak russian ime
your behaviour /manners & attitude will be what determines your success , not your skin colour or the tatts
dress sharply , keep clean , no tshirts , or make them polo , good shoes , keep a reign on your wallet , be a gentlemen in your dealings with the women you meet
you are our ambassador , you represent all other kiwis/aussies while your there at present we have agood rep in both places , so look after it ;D
Okay yea you were right about the defacto relationship visa you have to be living together for a year, my friend got around it as they both lived in Bali for a year before here as he worked out of Perth mining etc. Talked to border control Australia and they basically said for New Zealand passport holders we need to have had our SCV special category visas in 2001 which I had and that gives us the same as Australians regarding this, she said you'd need to look at prospective marriage visa which takes 12 months processing time and a $6500 fee and that allows the person to come to Australia then you have 9 months to get married and then there's another $6500 fee. Also regarding Russian passport holders from Crimea boarder control told me it does not matter, as long as they have a Russian passport the region they come from will not affect their immigration to Australia.
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she said you'd need to look at prospective marriage visa which takes 12 months processing time and a $6500 fee and that allows the person to come to Australia then you have 9 months to get married and then there's another $6500 fee.
Why not marry a Syrian refugee? Instead of you paying $13,000 in fees you probably will receive some support from the government.
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so if you stay the course the best option will be the fiance/prospective marriage visa
this requires that you have met in person in any country , spent some time together and developed a relationship ,
this is easier to prove with documents, photos, and other substantive evidence , such as plane tickets, hotel bookings, copies of phone records, skype records etc , as well as all the legal docs IMMI here will make you both provide
id suggest terry that right from now you start a seperate file /folder either in your pc or a paper copy of all your serious contacts and communications and save as much as you can of this type of evidence
while that may seem full on at this stage , if you start now it will be very handy later when you need that information and it is all ready to go , with which ever lady you may find in your search
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Why not marry a Syrian refugee? Instead of you paying $13,000 in fees you probably will receive some support from the government.
haha nope😑
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so if you stay the course the best option will be the fiance/prospective marriage visa
this requires that you have met in person in any country , spent some time together and developed a relationship ,
this is easier to prove with documents, photos, and other substantive evidence , such as plane tickets, hotel bookings, copies of phone records, skype records etc , as well as all the legal docs IMMI here will make you both provide
id suggest terry that right from now you start a seperate file /folder either in your pc or a paper copy of all your serious contacts and communications and save as much as you can of this type of evidence
while that may seem full on at this stage , if you start now it will be very handy later when you need that information and it is all ready to go , with which ever lady you may find in your search
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Yea man already started screen shotting all past messages, flight intinery and hotel bookings for my trip in July and saved them to my HD.
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Always good to know i can come back here and get relevant information about the FSU; for 2005 ;).
Some thoughts; Terry is 32, not 55, so the women he'll be chasing will be in the 22-28 range give or take, not 45-50. Tattoos are much more accepted nowadays by the younger crowd than ever before.
Just from what I can see in the summer and at the gym, I'd say about 30-40% of girls under 30 have some sort of tattoo. The reason you won't be able to see then in a photo, for instance, is because the girls don't come any where close to tatting themselves up like girls in the West, and most tats are hidden under their clothes, i.e. the tatts are usually smaller and less noticable.
I also know many girls whom don't have tats, yet have no problem with a guy who has them. One girl in particular comes quickly to mind, and if you met her, you would think she is the sweetest, most conservative girl in the world. Her b/f is 15 years older than her, is seriously tatted, has piercings, and about as close to a mohawk as you can get without actually going full on.
I, myself, have lower the bar on FSUW with tatts because I have met (and dated) some with tatts and they are super people. One, super athletic gymnast I have recently met, has a small neck tattoo and an ass you can bounce quarters off of. Exceptions abound :P.
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Always good to know i can come back here and get relevant information about the FSU; for 2005 ;).
Some thoughts; Terry is 32, not 55, so the women he'll be chasing will be in the 22-28 range give or take, not 45-50. Tattoos are much more accepted nowadays by the younger crowd than ever before.
Just from what I can see in the summer and at the gym, I'd say about 30-40% of girls under 30 have some sort of tattoo. The reason you won't be able to see then in a photo, for instance, is because the girls don't come any where close to tatting themselves up like girls in the West, and most tats are hidden under their clothes, i.e. the tatts are usually smaller and less noticable.
I also know many girls whom don't have tats, yet have no problem with a guy who has them. One girl in particular comes quickly to mind, and if you met her, you would think she is the sweetest, most conservative girl in the world. Her b/f is 15 years older than her, is seriously tatted, has piercings, and about as close to a mohawk as you can get without actually going full on.
I, myself, have lower the bar on FSUW with tatts because I have met (and dated) some with tatts and they are super people. One, super athletic gymnast I have recently met, has a small neck tattoo and an ass you can bounce quarters off of. Exceptions abound :P.
Yea the oldest lady I'm talking to is 29 she is the one I seem to have most in common with so far without having met yet, it's only my arms and leg tattooed, I'm about 1-2 more laser session off to neck and hands being gone which I regret something I done when I was 20 but oh well live and learn. None of the ladies I talk to have tattoos but I have made it clear from the beginning and all of said yes it's not as common where they live but not and issue for them at all. They obviously looked at my pictures first before contacting me as everyone I'm talking to has initiated conversation.
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it's only my arms and leg tattooed,
Send photos of yourself with your tattoos exposed. If the ladies can accept it, they'll keep writing to you without even you having to bring the subject up. Some women over there don't like to see men in shorts so might want to hold back on those pics. Lots of good info and tips here to read before your trip in July. The more you know, the better trip you'll have.
most tats are hidden under their clothes,
I can imagine a guy pulling off a woman's panties and inscribed down there is "Tattoo man was here first. LOL"
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You are getting advise from people who have not been to Crimea in the last 3 years, or never!
I went to Crimea in fall of 2014. I needed a special Russian visa for Crimea. I had to get a special form for Crimea from the Russian Embassy, and send it to my wife. She filled it out and sent it back by express mail. It took about 2 months altogether to get the visa for Crimea. It was valid for 90 days. Then I planned my trip and bought airplane tickets.
I few to Moscow on 3 flights from my home in USA. Then I had a separate round trip ticket on Transaero Airlines to Simferopol. This airlines is now out of business.
The problem is, if you enter Crimea through Russia, you are already in big trouble with Ukraine and have broken their laws. If you then try to cross from Crimea by road into Ukraine you will be caught.
All train service and stations in Crimea were shut down when Russia took Crimea.
If you go to Crimea, then want to go to Ukraine, you could fly at least 3 flights to get to Kyiv. Try: Simferopol to Moscow, Moscow to Frankfurt, then Frankfurt to Kyiv.
Most all tourist attractions in Crimea have been closed. Some examples:
Swallow's Nest
Famous lion park
Swim with dolphins
Zoo in Sevastopol
Nude beaches
Famous music festival in summer
Greek city in Sevastopol
Even fishing has be curtailed.
You will wait in a very long line to register your Crimean visa or pay a bribe.
I would suggest that you ask the woman in Crimea if she is willing to travel to Ukraine to see you.
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Why not marry a Syrian refugee? Instead of you paying $13,000 in fees you probably will receive some support from the government.
Put up 13,000 in Canada and you can bring in a Syrian. There won't be any special government support, other than the regular services available to immigrants and refugees. But a Canadian could certainly do this if they can show 13,000 Canadian funds (more if she has children).
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You are getting advise from people who have not been to Crimea in the last 3 years, or never!
I went to Crimea in fall of 2014. I needed a special Russian visa for Crimea. I had to get a special form for Crimea from the Russian Embassy, and send it to my wife. She filled it out and sent it back by express mail. It took about 2 months altogether to get the visa for Crimea. It was valid for 90 days. Then I planned my trip and bought airplane tickets.
I few to Moscow on 3 flights from my home in USA. Then I had a separate round trip ticket on Transaero Airlines to Simferopol. This airlines is now out of business.
The problem is, if you enter Crimea through Russia, you are already in big trouble with Ukraine and have broken their laws. If you then try to cross from Crimea by road into Ukraine you will be caught.
All train service and stations in Crimea were shut down when Russia took Crimea.
If you go to Crimea, then want to go to Ukraine, you could fly at least 3 flights to get to Kyiv. Try: Simferopol to Moscow, Moscow to Frankfurt, then Frankfurt to Kyiv.
Most all tourist attractions in Crimea have been closed. Some examples:
Swallow's Nest
Famous lion park
Swim with dolphins
Zoo in Sevastopol
Nude beaches
Famous music festival in summer
Greek city in Sevastopol
Even fishing has be curtailed.
You will wait in a very long line to register your Crimean visa or pay a bribe.
I would suggest that you ask the woman in Crimea if she is willing to travel to Ukraine to see you.
I had no issue for getting a visa for Crimea and didn't have to apply for special visa. Not here in Australia anyway ,took less than 2 weeks just booked my flight from Moscow and booked hotel in Sevastopol, took printouts to the travel agent, paid the fee to them they got invitation letter and that was it, maybe its different for you Americans or maybe because it was 2014 when things there were a little more tense who knows but my visa is for 3 days in Moscow, 2 in St Petersburg, then Simferopol, Sevastopol and yalta for one week.
I'm going to Ukraine before I go to Russia and my flight to Moscow is via another country, so they can say that it's illegal to visit there but would be impossible for them to know or even do anything about it.
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Someone else here tried to tell me not to bother with someone from Crimea because they "heard" from someone that in the U.S they were denying visa applications from Russians that came from the Crimea area, I don't know if there's any truth in that or whatever but when I asked immigrantion Australia about it on the phone they laughed about it and said no that's not the case here.
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Are you meeting a girl(s) in each city? Moscow, St Petersburg, then Simferopol, Sevastopol
and Yalta? or just seeing the sites?
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Someone else here tried to tell me not to bother with someone from Crimea because they "heard" from someone that in the U.S they were denying visa applications from Russians that came from the Crimea area, I don't know if there's any truth in that or whatever but when I asked immigrantion Australia about it on the phone they laughed about it and said no that's not the case here.
No, he said you should check it out. I believe he meant before you waste time and money.
And, he meant that Crimeans could not obtain spousal visas in Russia. That is current US policy, although the pro Russia new US administration could change that.
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Are you meeting a girl(s) in each city? Moscow, St Petersburg, then Simferopol, Sevastopol
and Yalta? or just seeing the sites?
Just going to Moscow and st Petersburg for the sites, not meeting anyone there then going to Simferopol in transit taxi from there to Sevastopol where I'm meeting a lady and she suggested we go to Yalta for a visit while I'm there.
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Okay can't remember exactly what he said but yea that's not a case in Australia and hopefully it does change for you guys in the future now that you have Donald Trump :)
Crimea is definitely out of the way from where I'm going in Ukraine etc having to go via Moscow but the lady I've been talking to there seems great, we have a lot in common and what I know so far she seems like a really genuine down to earth person so spending some extra money in flights is not a bother for me and I can visit a few other sites along the way. I'm not going to Ukraine and Russia with just the intention of finding a lady, I'm going as a tourist on holiday to sight see and meet up with a few ladies I've been getting to know along the way. I am actually really fascinated by that part of the world, studied Russian language in school and last few weeks been seeing a private tutor to brush up on my Russian,
No, he said you should check it out. I believe he meant before you waste time and money.
And, he meant that Crimeans could not obtain spousal visas in Russia. That is current US policy, although the pro Russia new US administration could change that.
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I'm not a fan of Trump, but his presidency is neither here nor there to me, as I'm not American. But, I do not support the lifting of sanctions on Crimea.
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To the OP. It's business as usual in Crimea these days. You can find whatever you want, and things are as they were before Russia rightfully took back ownership of Crimea. Go and enjoy yourself, it's a great place.
Of course, it went through a transition after the government changed in 2014.
New building is going on and Ukrainians are still going there for vacation (by driving and entering through Russia from the east) as they still have relatives and other reasons to visit and spend their money. Yes, they can't come in through the Ukraine/Crimea border. This is as of September 2016 (is that relevant enough).
The sanctions will be lifted eventually IMO, and Crimea will stay Russian. Nevertheless, they will not affect you one way or the other. I have no problems travelling there as an American and a New Zealander will have no problems as well.
As far as the real estate market in Crimea goes, my understanding from people whom own property there, is that only the high-end market is stagnating. Middle-to-low-end real estate is turning over as normal.
Whether anyone here, or in the world likes it or not, Crimea will not be part of Ukraine again. Sanctions will not have much of an effect on this fact moving forward.
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I'm not a fan of Trump, but his presidency is neither here nor there to me, as I'm not American. But, I do not support the lifting of sanctions on Crimea.
They will be lifted eventually under a Trump presidency,.what's the point, and a country like Russia aren't going the fold to economic sanctions, sanctions only end up hurting the general population. That fact is Crimea probably isn't going back to Ukraine, Russia have invested billions in building a bridge to the region and most of the people I've talked to from that region have always seemed to make it a point to me that they're Russians and supported the movement that happened there without even bringing the subject up, the others are definitely in the minority no surprise. Borders and countries have always changed throughout history that's part of life.
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To the OP. It's business as usual in Crimea these days. You can find whatever you want, and things are as they were before Russia rightfully took back ownership of Crimea. Go and enjoy yourself, it's a great place.
Of course, it went through a transition after the government changed in 2014.
New building is going on and Ukrainians are still going there for vacation (by driving and entering through Russia from the east) as they still have relatives and other reasons to visit and spend their money. Yes, they can't come in through the Ukraine/Crimea border. This is as of September 2016 (is that relevant enough).
The sanctions will be lifted eventually IMO, and Crimea will stay Russian. Nevertheless, they will not affect you one way or the other. I have no problems travelling there as an American and a New Zealander will have no problems as well.
As far as the real estate market in Crimea goes, my understanding from people whom own property there, is that only the high-end market is stagnating. Middle-to-low-end real estate is turning over as normal.
Whether anyone here, or in the world likes it or not, Crimea will not be part of Ukraine again. Sanctions will not have much of an effect on this fact moving forward.
👍 Agree
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The EU just extended sanctions another six months.
I don't really care if Crimea is returned to Ukraine. It was seized contrary to international law, and in a world which is ruled by treaties and law, there must be consequences to rogue nations.
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The EU just extended sanctions another six months.
I don't really care if Crimea is returned to Ukraine. It was seized contrary to international law, and in a world which is ruled by treaties and law, there must be consequences to rogue nations.
The EU is a corrupt institution, Merkel has ruined Germany. The last time I was in Berlin I barely recognised the place and was forced into a fight with 3 Muslims who ended up cheap shotting be from behind and stealing my iPhone, Paris is in the process of building a bullet proof glass wall around the Eiffel Tower :| UK are leaving. International law also considers Jerusalem being an occupied city, but there's never going to be a Palestinian state, should the west sanction Israel, of course not.
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None of which negates the illegal annexation of Crimea.
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The EU is a corrupt institution, Merkel has ruined Germany. The last time I was in Berlin I barely recognised the place and was forced into a fight with 3 Muslims who ended up cheap shotting be from behind and stealing my iPhone, Paris is in the process of building a bullet proof glass wall around the Eiffel Tower :| UK are leaving. International law also considers Jerusalem being an occupied city, but there's never going to be a Palestinian state, should the west sanction Israel, of course not.
Glad there's someone here who agrees and not even from Europe which shows that if an outsider is also finding the same problems then there is something wrong with the EU. The EU just isn't dealing effectively with the matters it faces including some of its own doing such as the Euro. It's focus of late has been on demonstrating how they are in control in Europe by choosing to do very little about its problems if it so chooses. I face some stuff being nicked when in Rome a couple or so years ago - again the result of EU farce. These reasons are why Britain has had enough - we doon't want to pur up with the sort of bs you had to go through when in Berlin, Terry.
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There were thieves in European cities long before East Europeans joined the EU (thanks to the UK, which really pushed their admission), and long before there were migrants/asylum seekers in their cities. I had a friend who had a wallet stolen from a zipped purse on the Paris metro. This was in 1977, so those evil migrants can't be blamed, nor can Roma pickpockets.
When I lived in Kyiv, I knew the restaurant where the city's pickpockets congregated. For the most part, it wasn't tourists they targeted. The restaurant is still there, so I would hazard a guess the pickpockets are as well.
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The EU is a corrupt institution, Merkel has ruined Germany. The last time I was in Berlin I barely recognised the place and was forced into a fight with 3 Muslims who ended up cheap shotting be from behind and stealing my iPhone, Paris is in the process of building a bullet proof glass wall around the Eiffel Tower :| UK are leaving. International law also considers Jerusalem being an occupied city, but there's never going to be a Palestinian state, should the west sanction Israel, of course not.
OMG .. here we go ..
Please tell us HOW Merkel has 'ruined' Germany ? Allowed too many non-Ayrian, 'non-Christians' for you ?
Sure, the EU needs to audit it's accounts and publish them, but aren't you are being a might OTT?
That the UK is leaving and that is daft enough in itself - should be good news for Antipodeans as the EU meant Visas - so I expect one bonus MIGHT be the UK suspending Visa controls ... I wonder if 'Oz / NZ will want to reciprocate ;)
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There were thieves in European cities long before East Europeans joined the EU (thanks to the UK, which really pushed their admission), and long before there were migrants/asylum seekers in their cities. I had a friend who had a wallet stolen from a zipped purse on the Paris metro. This was in 1977, so those evil migrants can't be blamed, nor can Roma pickpockets.
When I lived in Kyiv, I knew the restaurant where the city's pickpockets congregated. For the most part, it wasn't tourists they targeted. The restaurant is still there, so I would hazard a guess the pickpockets are as well.
The thieves and pickpockets are really what I was getting at, it's all the ones who shoot up night clubs in France, shoot up a cartoon offices because they made fun of their prophet, attack people with axes in Germany in the name of their religion and drive buses through crowds of people.