Hello from Australia.

[Terryrnz]

Hey new to this page, I'm 32 originally from New Zealand but have lived on the Gold Coast Australia for some years now. I work for a large infrastructure construction company planning and construction of New motorway/highways. Am well travelled and have solo backpacked through some 20+ countries in my 20s, I love and respect Australian and New Zealand women a lot  but travelling has made me realise that's not who I want to settle down with  so have decided to go to Crimea then Ukraine this July to meet up with a few people I have been chatting to online and see where it goes from there . Never been to Ukraine but have visited Moscow for only some 3 days when backpacking can also speak Russian basic everyday topics etc from classes I took years ago back in school.

[southernX]

welcome terry

be carefull in crimea , im sure you have checked out DFATS travel warnings etc
visit yalta and lavidia palace while your there ,

there  are other aussies/kiwis on here

so your visit is to meet up with lady /ladies ro just suss the place out ?/

basic russian is handy , polish it before you go if you can

SX

[Terryrnz]

Only going to Crimea as one of the ladies I'm talking to lives in Sevastopol, I thought Crimea was fine and safe for visiting, Donetsk etc are the regions with travel warnings from our travel guides here. I do have to enter through Russia though as the flight to Simferopol is from Moscow so the trip will require me 2 different tourist visas.
No trip is to meet up with 3 women I've been talking to for some months now,
One in Zaporozhye one in Kharkov and the other in Sevastopol but yes sight seeing on the way obviously will also go to Volgograd on the trip as I want to see the ww2 memorial there and will spend couple days in Moscow but don't know anyone there. The first week of my trip I will be in Belgrade Serbia visiting friends I met there while backpacking the other 3 weeks Russia then Ukraine.

[JayH]

Terry  -- having read earlier posts and not commented -- I am reserving any welcome.
Are you not aware of the situation with Crimea? From your post-- apparently not.
There is nothing nice about what has happened in eastern Ukraine or the Crimea and it is wholly at the Russians door.
Spending a cent there is a cent too much.Even visiting is disgusting to me.

Are your tattoos gang related? Bikie? Prison scars?
I note you said you had some removed--why was that?

[Terryrnz]

No my tattoos are not bikie or gang related, tattoos are a big part of New Zealand culture you should know that as I see you live in Australia. As for what happened in Crimea yes I am aware what happened there, you can call me visiting Crimea disgusting if you want that's fine you're entitled to your opinion but that's the thing about politics there's two sides and I don't agree with your side but I'm not going to get into an argument or debate about it on here. The women I'm meeting in Sevastopol has brought up and considers herself Russian and her city Russian, the lady in Kharkov also the other one in  Zaporozhye it hadn't come up because politics aren't something I bring up talking to women in general let alone someone from Eastern Europe. Reserve your welcome for me because we disagree on this that's no problem doesn't effect me in the slightest on some Internet forum but like it or not and whatever your opinion is on Crimea the region is now a part of Russia as they control the border and the local government of the region but as I said this is not a place to start attacking people over this type of stuff when all I did was introduce myself.

[Terryrnz]

When i referred to Crimea being safe I was meaning there is or was no fighting in the region and our government has no travel warnings against the region leave your political bias out of the cities or women I choose to visit, thanks also I had neck and hand tattoos removed as bars restaurants tend to have neck and hand policies here on the Gold Coast and would not let you in, was young when I got them and yea,.

[JayH]

You must live in a vacuum . Crimea is NOT part of Russia full stop.Your general comments show how little you do actually understand.
Russia is currently occupying Crimea  with the disapproval of near enough the whole world --including NZ !
My opinion? There is nothing to debate --Russia has invaded Ukraine and good Ukrainians are being killed everyday-- millions of people are suffering as a result-- so what do you think you can debate?
No answer required.

Ok-- I will leave it to others to dissect you-- tell us more of your plans? How did you make contact ?Why FSUW -- that sort of stuff should be enough to feed the pidgeons.

btw Tattoos are Maori culture--not New Zealand  btw  But also gangs and bikies -- some who wear them are all 3.You failed to mention prison where they are also common  ,nor why you had them removed.

I can only wish you get what you deserve on your travels.

[Terryrnz]

There were 6 people killed in Crimea and in the other regions where there was fighting most deaths were pro Russian civilians being killed by Ukrainian army artillery shelling the information is all there, not all of the New Zealand government has this opinion Just depends on the party you support  and I've never been a labour and any left wing supporter. No just because someone has tattoos doesn't mean they have been to jail, I have not. Do you live in the outback or living under a rock for the last 15 years here. The moment you said I hope you get everything you deserve on your travels shows me you're close minded and I don't want to talk with you anymore, yes Crimea is technically under occupation so what do you consider the west bank Palestinian because it's technically under occupation I don't, I consider the West Bank Israeli anyway don't want to talk about politics here and don't want to talk to you anymore bye have fun with all your Slavya Ukraine stuff haha such a hero

[Gator]

Terry

 

I hope your time with RWD is fruitful.  As you have already seen, we are not shy about expressing our opinions. 

Crimea is a beautiful place, yet if I were you I would avoid traveling there for political reasons.  I am unsure, but the politics could interfere with immigration. 

Ukraine has many lovely places to visit, e. g. Carpathian mountains.  And Kiev is an interesting city.   Russia has more to see yet the travel distances are troublesome. 

I travelled much throughout my life (e. g., Afghanistan, Ethiopia).   I always found  culture and people to be the most interesting part of my visits, and there is no better way to immerse oneself in them than dating the local women.   

I wish you well.  The tats could be a problem. Yet, the individual attitudes of women can vary widely as you will discover.   

[Terryrnz]

Okay thanks well I've been talking to 3 women already for a couple of months they know I'm tattooed have seen many photos and all have said it's not an issue for them. They're all in their early and mid 20s though so  its probably mostly an age thing. Exactly like here my parents generation tattoos not as common as my generation it is. I doubt the politics would interfere with immigration to Australia, Crimeans have Russian passports now so it would be possible to immigrate here.

[Gator]

I doubt the politics would interfere with immigration to Australia, Crimeans have Russian passports now so it would be possible to immigrate here.

The world considers Russian annexation of Crimea to be an illegal act.  This political issue is far from over.  You can perhaps compare Crimea to the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus.   Msmob will have something to say about my analogy.  The Natural married a woman from Crimea. 
 

The entire process of marrying a FSUW is complicated enough, so why pursue something that could further compound the process?  However, if the woman is indeed fine, I can understand the pursuit.  In my own life, I went against all advice and pursued a RW who spoke limited English, and I am so glad that I married her even though the journey was difficult. 

[Terryrnz]

Yes she seems great, I was only planning on going to Ukraine so I would only need to get one tourist visa but then the lady from Sevastopol contacted me and caught my attention after chatting for a bit so I changed my mind and decided to visit her also, yea I get that most of the world considers Crimea and occupation and not a repatriation but Russia are building a multi billion bridge to Crimea so I can't see then giving it up or it changing back hands not anytime soon at least. But either way I don't care much for the politics side of it so it's not an issue for me going there. Anyway I'm meeting a few people and things might work with anyone one of them or none who knows. I'm just going there with the mindset of having a holiday and meeting a few ladies at the same time. I can imagine the immigration process can be lengthy etc but regarding someone from Sevastopol if there's a will there's always a way.

[ML]

USA and many European countries do not recognize the validity of Russian passports given to people living in Crimea.

You better check if the same does not exist for Australia and New Zealand.

[jone]

USA and many European countries do not recognize the validity of Russian passports given to people living in Crimea.

You better check if the same does not exist for Australia and New Zealand.

ML, am curious to know how countries would track if a Russian citizen from Crimea would be known?  Could not the person applying for a visa (or non-visa travel) just put that they are from mainland Russia?

[ML]

ML, am curious to know how countries would track if a Russian citizen from Crimea would be known?  Could not the person applying for a visa (or non-visa travel) just put that they are from mainland Russia?

I am not up to date on this.
But I remember just after the invasion of Crimea that some from there with Russian passports went to Embassy in Moscow to apply for visa to USA.
It could be seen from their documents that the lived in Crimea.
USA Embassy told them they would have to apply for visa in Ukraine using Ukrainian passport.
I suppose some of them are now changing the address on their documents to somewhere outside of Crimea, but it has to be a hassle for them . . . and a good reason to avoid women in Crimea.
The concern should be not just with this initial 'get-together' but for all the future years down the road when the couple (or even just the woman) would want to travel to meet with family, etc.
There are enough standard hurdles in this mission without adding additional ones.
We have a Ukrainian friend here from Simferopol who is dreading the possible hassles and dangers she will face in trying to get back to see her family.
Perhaps others have more recent info.

[Terryrnz]

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[GQBlues]

Terry-

Good luck in your search, man. It's good you came and asked questions...but when all is said and done, the only real 'answers' that should matter to you are those directly coming from the ladies you're speaking with. Opinions will be aplenty on this site as it pertains to your personal situation. Just be informed that the opinions will be as varied as the ages and personal experiences of those who depart with them. Some you'll relate to while others will definitely come across way off-field.

Here are mine:

1. I'm ethnically 'Filipino' but came to the States in my younger years so I fully identify more to the 'American' culture. I've travelled through Europe, west/central and even east, women-wise - slam dunk! I've been repeatedly asked if I was an 'actor' during my search. Although, don't be too careless with yourself when in-country. Eastern Europeans are more prone to 'nationalism' than central Europe. Don't take too many chances. Even in central Europe before, my female friends would never allow me to wander too far alone because of the local (mostly male) attitudes towards 'Romas'.

Beyond that, IME, it is an 'asset' to be 'brown', dating-wise. Anywhere. I am married to 6' tall blonde and blueyed woman from Novosibirk for 13 years now.

2. Tattoes: I'm not inked myself, never liked them. While we here in the west - generally consider them 'benign', if not altogether 'artful', just understand that the regions you are now looking into are not as accepting of such practice as 'social' norm yet. If anything, tattoes have a dark connotations there. I would be fully upfront about this with the ladies you're corresponding to, if I were you.

3. You would know what your country's immigration rules and requirements are regarding fiancees and family-based immigration. I would suggest doing some research if there will be any snag in you petitioning someone from Sevastopol.

[ML]

How is getting to Simferopol a hurdle? There's daily direct flights via  Moscow.

You are ignoring the passport/visa issues and safety issues for a Ukrainian nationalist.

[Terryrnz]

Huh?

[Terryrnz]

Thanks GQblues for the advice, yes I have been upfront about tattoos with ladies
I'm talking to and they have said no issue, will look into immigration rules but can't see it being an issue. I don't have an Australian passport have a New Zealand one which allows us to work in Australia though so partner ship visa goes through the NZ side of things and I can't see NZ denying a visa because the person comes from a contested part of Russia etc. I can see country like USA or some European countries doing it but honestly things are a little more relaxed here. Will look into it anyway thanks

[Terryrnz]

You are ignoring the passport/visa issues and safety issues for a Ukrainian nationalist.

oh your friends a Ukrainian nationalist got ya,., yea passport/visa and safety  issues there. For me as a tourist visiting though no /passport/visa or safety issues.

[Gator]

Terry,

Please tell us a few general things about the three women with whom you are communicating.   

How did you meet them? 

Are you writing, texting, chatting or Skyping? 

Why these three vs. others?

Have they invited you to visit them?

If yes, do they know you are traveling to different places in their country (some get offended by this)? 

What prevented you from wanting to marry one of your countrywomen? 

[Terryrnz]

Terry,

Please tell us a few general things about the three women with whom you are communicating.   

How did you meet them? 

Are you writing, texting, chatting or Skyping? 

Why these three vs. others?

Have they invited you to visit them?

If yes, do they know you are traveling to different places in their country (some get offended by this)? 

What prevented you from wanting to marry one of your countrywomen?

Okay met them on Ukrainewomen.net , paid and talked on there for a bit before I was able to request their emails and phone numbers. Yes mostly talk on email have sent and received a couple of video messages and phoned 2 of them once. One has viber so talk to her on that. Yes they asked if I would ever visit their home and I said I'll be on holiday in Europe in July visiting friends so could pop over and meet them then.
Ones 22 one 24 and the other 29 closer to my age, why they i don't know they were just the 3 that seemed really genuine, good conversation, could speak some English and caught my eye looks wise honestly. No haven't told any I'm visiting different cities but Europe is 30 hours of flying for us , might seem bad but I'm going to meet a few people traveling such a long distance that's just how it is.
Why I haven't married one of own country women I don't know combination of reasons, my city is like a mini Miami, unless you own a ferrari or have muscles like a Greek god half the women won't even talk to you, like I have had girlfriends here but so many are just superficial and high strung, not all of course I'm just at that point in my life where both of my younger siblings have been married for years and it hasn't happened for me yet so why not try something different. Just want to find someone to settle down and be happy with

[Terryrnz]

You are ignoring the passport/visa issues and safety issues for a Ukrainian nationalist.

Your friend will have no visa or passport issues travelling to Simferopol on a Ukrainian passport according to this article, the Ukrainian nationalism stuff dangerous though yes probably.

http://www.lonelyplanet.com/eastern-europe/travel-tips-and-articles/crimea-under-russian-rule-what-has-changed-for-travellers

[Gator]

Okay met them on Ukrainewomen.net , paid and talked on there for a bit before I was able to request their emails and phone numbers. Yes mostly talk on email have sent and received a couple of video messages and phoned 2 of them once.

I don't know viber, yet if like Skype it is the best way to get to know a FSUW before deciding to meet her.

i don't know they were just the 3 that seemed really genuine, good conversation, could speak some English and caught my eye looks wise honestly.

Good reasons.  Keep a couple of calls is not enough to confirm your feelings.  Keep talking and see if the conversation becomes even better.   And you should eventually be able to discuss  personal issues such as values (important to have a reasonable understanding before deciding to visit)

No haven't told any I'm visiting different cities but Europe is 30 hours of flying for us , might seem bad but I'm going to meet a few people traveling such a long distance that's just how it is.

Understandable, and I did the same.   

This subject may come up as you talk more and more.  Don't voluntarily tell any of them you are visiting different areas.  If they ask, be honest and then change the subject.  Never, never, never discuss any of the other women. 

 

Why I haven't married one of own country women I don't know combination of reasons, my city is like a mini Miami, unless you own a ferrari or have muscles like a Greek god half the women won't even talk to you,

You will find many FSUW can be just as materialist as your Ferrari loving locals.  This can be especially true for the 9s and 10s, who have been spoiled by FSU men and have a sense of entitlement.  Your phone conversations should reveal whether this is true for the particular women you like.   

I found FSUW to be more forgiving of men's physical looks, with the criterion jokingly being "better looking than a monkey."  My opinion is that you certainly will pass the physical appearance test other than many FSUW will reject the tats.  However, FSUW  will be more demanding about behavior.   You should read some of the RWD archives that address "real men" and "strong men."

like I have had girlfriends here but so many are just superficial and high strung, not all of course I'm just at that point in my life where both of my younger siblings have been married for years and it hasn't happened for me yet so why not try something different.

FSUW are women, and some can be high strung and some can be superficial.  Enough video calls should be able to identify the latter.  The former......maybe.   

Just want to find someone to settle down and be happy with

Wishing you the best.  You will enjoy very much the journey of discovery.  Figuratively, don't hang a sign around your neck saying "WIFE VACANCY."   Show confidence,  pride, and selectivity.