Putin is No Hitler

[Anotherkiwi]

You can multiply the *ad nauseam* part ten fold and you still won't convince me that you actually know what you're talking about.

Contrary to our resident Ukraine affair expert, Ukraine IS a (Unitary) republic and it's governmental system IS in fact called a *Semi-presidential System*. It is NOT a parliamentary  Republic nor is it a Presidential Republic. Ukraine's form of governing can be likened with France. Certainly, if President Sarkozy was illegally ousted/removed by violence or force, by technicality, *the power of the government* is illegally siezed.

What is a semi-presidential system? "The semi-presidential system (referred to as semi-presidentialism) is a system of government in which a popularly elected fixed term president exists alongside a prime minister and Cabinet who are responsible to the legislature of a state."

What is a government?: the governing body of a nation, state, or community.

Merriam describe it as: " the group of people who control and make decisions for a country, state, etc.; : a particular system used for controlling a country, state, etc.; : the process or manner of controlling a country, state, etc."

So what?  The President has gone - they have a new, properly elected, President.  They have also changed the Prime Minister (and some other Cabinet Ministers), but so what?  You cannot treat this as a coup - a coup is what we saw in Fiji, with armed soldiers invading Parliament and herding everyone out at the point of a gun, followed by an Army officer declaring himself to be President.  Apart from Yanukovych no longer being there, the "group of people" to which you refer has not changed!  How hard is it to understand that?  Seriously, what am I missing here?

I mean, considering you're not from Illinois, I'll presume *English* to be your first language, yes?

Yes, it is.  Just out of interest, what's yours?  I presume that Tagalog is your second.  And please note that I'm not sniping here - your command of your third (fourth?) language is seriously impressive.

So in parting, I will leave you with only this: If Aramis didn't exist, by technicality, can it still be called *The 3 Musketeers*?

 

Of course - Athos, Porthos and d'Artagnan.

::::You boys are fishing for your respective brides in Ukraine. The very least you can do is actually pay a little more attention to their country's makeshift and not just the pages of dating agencies::::

Not me (at least for the moment) - I'm too busy to do more than occasionally look at my favourites on EM to see if any of them have tied the knot!

[Boethius]

Great op ed piece by Bernard-Henry Levi:

IN eastern Ukraine, Vladimir V. Putin has been playing with fire.

He has mobilized the worst elements to be found in the region.

He has taken thugs, thieves, rapists, ex-cons and vandals and turned them into a paramilitary force.

He has permitted ad hoc commanders of separatist groups to kill or chase off intellectuals, journalists and other moral authorities in the cities of Donetsk and Lugansk.

He has watched as a vodka-soaked rabble army destroys or takes over public buildings, hospitals, schools and municipal offices of the country it is pretending to liberate.

He has allowed a veritable gang war to take hold — without caring that he is losing control of the forces that he has unleashed, with rival bands pitted against one another and carving out fiefs amid the growing anarchy.

Most troubling of all: To this underworld without structure or discipline, to these undisciplined louts who know only the law of the jungle, to this new brand of fighting force that has only the dimmest idea of war and no idea, God knows, of the laws of war — to this motley collection Mr. Putin, the Russian president, gave a terrifying arsenal with which the amateur soldiers were unfamiliar and with which they have been playing, like kids with fireworks.

We know that Russia supplied vast quantities of heavy weaponry to the separatists and trained them to use the SA-11 surface-to-air missile system — the kind believed to have been used to bring down Malaysia Airlines Flight 17.

One can envision the victorious gang celebrating with its trophy, playing with it as if it were a toy — one that can reach altitudes of over 70,000 feet.

One can similarly imagine Russian military officers — not so secretly assigned by the Kremlin to watch over the missiles and their use by amateur artillery crews targeting Ukrainian military aircraft — being overtaken by events and seized with panic.

One can even imagine their consternation when Igor Strelkov, the self-proclaimed defense minister of the Republic of Donetsk, claimed responsibility for shooting down a Ukrainian military plane - which turned out to be Flight 17.  We know what happened.

Whatever the outcome of the eventual investigation — an investigation made well nigh impossible by these dogs of war who follow no creed and no law, who, as they horrified the world by leaving the bodies of their victims abandoned in fields or heaped in poorly refrigerated train cars, as they reveled in their 15 minutes of fame by deploring before the news cameras of the world that the 298 lost souls had had the bad taste to “land” on people’s houses or in reservoirs used for drinking water, were also purloining the plane’s black boxes, organizing the export to Russia of possibly compromising debris, and casually stripping the bodies of objects of value — whatever the outcome of the investigation into all of this, an undeniable result was carnage, a war crime, an attack on Ukraine, the Netherlands and Malaysia all at once.

For all of these reasons, it was hard not to side with Ukraine’s president, Petro O. Poroshenko — who, it is worth noting, has shown in the terrible days since the crash the qualities of composure, dignity and authority that he exhibited during his campaign for office — when he asked the international community to classify as terrorist organizations the “people’s republics” of Donetsk and Lugansk.

It is also hard not to agree with Mr. Poroshenko when, several hours after the tragedy, speaking unemotionally and with no trace of hate, he reminded France’s president, François Hollande, that Col. Muammar el-Qaddafi had been blacklisted by the world for his suspected involvement in a similar attack on a commercial airliner, Pan Am Flight 103, over Lockerbie, Scotland, in December 1988.

Faced with this new Lockerbie, will we in the West do no more than beg Mr. Putin to provide “free and complete” access to the crash site and offer “full cooperation” in the recovery of remains?

Have we not a moral obligation to draw logical conclusions about a crime for which, because of his incendiary and irresponsible policies, deeply unworthy of the president of a great power, Mr. Putin is, in the end, wholly responsible?

Under the circumstances — with Mr. Putin having not yet agreed to back off in Ukraine, much less in Crimea — how can France morally justify its plan to deliver to Russia two Mistral-class warships, now being fitted out in the western port of St.-Nazaire? Do we want them to become the crown jewels of a Russian fleet off Sebastopol and, perhaps, Odessa?

To see the European Union acting so pusillanimously is very discouraging. France wants to hold on to its arms contracts for the jobs they are supposed to save in its naval shipyards. Germany, a hub of operations for the Russian energy giant Gazprom, is petrified of losing its own strategic position. Britain, for its part, despite recent statements by Prime Minister David Cameron, may still not be ready to forgo the colossal flows of Russian oligarchs’ ill-gotten cash upon which the City, London’s financial district, has come to rely.

In European parlance, this is called the spirit of Munich — appeasement. And it is a disgrace.

Bernard-Henri Lévy, a philosopher, is the author of “Left in Dark Times: A Stand Against the New Barbarism.” This essay was translated by Steven B. Kennedy from the French.

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/07/23/opinion/putins-crime-europes-cowardice.html?_r=0

[GQBlues]

So what?  The President has gone - they have a new, properly elected, President....

It really is strange to me that this phrase is repeated in this hall all the time. Haven't you guys realize that this 'event' is actually the flashpoint of what we are all witnessing in Ukraine today?

The vast majority of those who voted for Yanukovich happens to be in the eastern Ukraine. Yet, since 80% of Ukraine's population are Ukrainian, then that should also tell you the votes he received ARE NOT solely from ethnic-Russians.

The government, voted by the majority of *Ukrainians* (Ukraine citizens) was illegally removed by force. Why is it so hard for anyone of you to understand why there is a conflict in Ukraine?

All Poroshenko had been asked to do was to convene for a talk WITH an official representation from the eastern region of Ukraine. Why shouldn't they be 'represented'? They're as much a citizen in that country as anyone living elsewhere in Ukraine.

I posted a bulletin elsewhere showing the recent parliamentary fight during their session ( ) between the Party of Regions and the Nationalist. The session was to approve increasing deployment of the military in the eastern region. A representative from the party of region spoke about first discussing an *alleged problem* that the military are actually killing folks that are NOT engaged in the conflict.

What did he get for that?

So, your 'So What' response, I'm sorry to say, is as idiotic as saying *it's a moot point*.

[Boethius]

GQ, your analysis is somewhat flawed.  It was not Yanukovych's leaving office that triggered conflict in the Donetsk triangle.  It was (a) the proposed repeal of the language law giving Russian regional language status; (b)  Russian propaganda claiming those in power in Kyiv were fascists who wanted to destroy Russians; (c)  Eastern oligarchs from Ukraine who are trying to cement their power bases; and (d) Russian interference in Ukraine.

Pro Russian "separatists" in Kharkiv, when interviewed by Western journalists, openly admitted they were being paid a daily stipend, and that they had been spirited to Russia for training with what they believed were FSB operatives.  Some of those operatives were present in Ukraine.  This was when Kharkiv initially flared up.  That indicates that Russia had been planning this for some time.  Those same patterns were present in Dnepropetrovsk, Odesa, and in large swaths of Eastern Ukraine. 

Unlike in Kharkiv, where its mayor negotiated with both sides and ensured the conflict would not destroy his city, it petered out.  In the Donetsk triangle, which is where the conflict was centralized (a triangle of roughly 200 km on each side, with Donetsk, Slovyansk, and Luhansk as points on the triangle), Russians from Russia, who are not citizens of Ukraine proclaimed themselves the "saviours" of the locals.  They are not elected.  They do not have popular support though clearly, many do support them, and fight with them.  However, to suggest this is somehow a nascent popular uprising is just false.   This is a false flag operation, conducted at the behest of a leader obsessed with "Russians", even where they are minority populations.

In Slovyansk, now liberated from the terrorists, the populace has stated they were terrorized - tortured, kidnapped (often for ransom), threatened, robbed.  The lake is full of the bodies of their unburied dead.  Graves of victims are being uncovered.  So, to suggest there is massive support for these terrorists is just fantasy.

[GQBlues]

Boethius-

Yanu didn't leave office. He was wanted for murder for something he did not do. The State had an obligation to protect their statesman and if he is charged and tried by the court, then he may be removed. They were a lynching mob after him for something he did not do.

You can cite all the ensuing events that led to what you believed created this conflict, I maintain the coup to be the genesis of it all.

Wiki did a wonderful timeline of the Kiev coup/revolution: It carries some nice detailed information of the events and the ensuing chapters.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2014_Ukrainian_revolution

On one hand, outside of all the complicity of other entities NOT Ukraine/Ukrainian, I understand how Ukraine, and likely it's general population, have a very important quest/need to establish their *own* identity after all these years living under the shadow of the bear. You can almost say that I agree with some of the 'Nationalists" platform even.

Had I been Ukrainian, I would not only still be sexy, I would also believe it to be important to be recognized as a 'Ukrainian' and NOT *Russian*. After all, in *my* country of Ukraine, we are 30 million strong.

The bottom line is - Ukraine have a lot of things to do as it strive to be progressive. First things first however, resolve their internal affairs. You can't do that by depriving equal representation of a huge part of your population. That is all Poroshenko needs to do.

So when I read (see) things like...*so what*...*its a moot point*...it seem silly to me...

You don't clean house by sweeping dust under the rug. butdasjazzmee.

[Boethius]

This thread discussed Banderites briefly, upthread.  Here is an interesting perspective by Russian historian Andrey Zubov.  Mr. Zubov was dismissed from his position at a Moscow University in May, after writing an op ed piece suggesting a Russian invasion of Ukraine would be similar to the Anschluss Osterreichs.  The translation is a bit wonky in places, but the information is clear.





http://euromaidanpress.com/2014/07/23/historian-andrey-zubov-banderites-are-an-example-of-the-great-lie-of-the-soviet-system/

[Boethius]

Boethius-

Yanu didn't leave office.

When you flee a country secretly, you have left office.

He was wanted for murder for something he did not do. The State had an obligation to protect their statesman and if he is charged and tried by the court, then he may be removed. They were a lynching mob after him for something he did not do.

No, that is not why he was removed.  He resigned.  Thereafter, from somewhere in Russia, he rescinded his resignation.   The Rada removed him primarily on the grounds of abandoning his office, and then, as president of Ukraine, having responsibility for the deaths of 80 protesters.   

You can cite all the ensuing events that led to what you believed created this conflict, I maintain the coup to be the genesis of it all.

Were that the case, the conflict would have erupted a month earlier.  There were no calls for Yanukovych to be returned to power.  There were no mass demonstrations until that language law.

The bottom line is - Ukraine have a lot of things to do as it strive to be progressive. First things first however, resolve their internal affairs. You can't do that by depriving equal representation of a huge part of your population. That is all Poroshenko needs to do.

Why did they not have equal representation?  There were Euromaidan activists from Luhansk and Donetsk.  Some are sitting in the Rada.  They had the same right to elect a president, although in the Donetsk triangle, the Muscovites refused to allow them to vote.

[GQBlues]

When you flee a country secretly, you have left office....

That was true during the middle ages. Civilization have reverted to maintain the presumption of innocence before guilt. Protection of Statesmen goes along with that.

..No, that is not why he was removed.  He resigned.  Thereafter, from somewhere in Russia, he rescinded his resignation.   The Rada removed him primarily on the grounds of abandoning his office, and then, as president of Ukraine, having responsibility for the deaths of 80 protesters....

You have that a bit backwards. They listed him wanted for murder (which everyone knows he didn't do), then introduced a bill for impeachment - THEN he left the country. Impeachment process aborted.

btw, you'd do the same thing counselor. You'd probably trip over me in the process.   

..Were that the case, the conflict would have erupted a month earlier.  There were no calls for Yanukovych to be returned to power.  There were no mass demonstrations until that language law....

But like I said, the coup is/was the flashpoint of all the other events that ensued.

>>On February 23, the Ukrainian parliament adopted a bill to repeal the law on minority languages, which—if signed by the Ukrainian President - would have established Ukrainian as the sole official state language of all Ukraine, including Crimea which is populated by a Russian-speaking majority.

The Christian Science Monitor reported: "The [adoption of this bill] only served to infuriate Russian-speaking regions, [who] saw the move as more evidence that the antigovernment protests in Kiev that toppled Yanukovich's government were intent on pressing for a nationalistic agenda." A proposal to repeal the law was vetoed on 28 February 2014 by acting President Oleksandr Turchynov."<<

...Why did they not have equal representation?  There were Euromaidan activists from Luhansk and Donetsk.  Some are sitting in the Rada.  They had the same right to elect a president, although in the Donetsk triangle, the Muscovites refused to allow them to vote.

I'm talking about the talks being proposed today to end the conflict, Boe...Poroshenko is under heavy political pressure not to allow for representation.

[Boethius]

That was true during the middle ages. Civilization have reverted to maintain the presumption of innocence before guilt. Protection of Statesmen goes along with that.

None of which is relevant to resigning office, fleeing the country in such haste you leave boxes of state papers behind at one of your residences, and then rescinding your resignation when you are out of the country.

You have that a bit backwards. They listed him wanted for murder (which everyone knows he didn't do), then introduced a bill for impeachment - THEN he left the country. Impeachment process aborted.

btw, you'd do the same thing counselor. You'd probably trip over me in the process.   

No, the bill for impeachment was not introduced until after Yanukovych's resignation. 


I would never have been in Yanukovych's position, as were I elected, I would not have abused my powers, and most especially not to enrich myself personally at the expense of state coffers.  That is just not in my DNA.

But like I said, the coup is/was the flashpoint of all the other events that ensued.

The Rada could have introduced that bill even had Yanukovych remained in power.  The Rada's make up did not change.

>>On February 23, the Ukrainian parliament adopted a bill to repeal the law on minority languages, which—if signed by the Ukrainian President - would have established Ukrainian as the sole official state language of all Ukraine, including Crimea which is populated by a Russian-speaking majority.

The Christian Science Monitor reported: "The [adoption of this bill] only served to infuriate Russian-speaking regions, [who] saw the move as more evidence that the antigovernment protests in Kiev that toppled Yanukovich's government were intent on pressing for a nationalistic agenda." A proposal to repeal the law was vetoed on 28 February 2014 by acting President Oleksandr Turchynov."<<I'm talking about the talks being proposed today to end the conflict, Boe...Poroshenko is under heavy political pressure not to allow for representation.

A nationalistic agenda was not the reason for Euromaidan.  That is a rather simplistic analysis.  Moreover, there were no mass demonstrations in Eastern Ukraine, and it is not the reason for the conflict.  Were that the case the "leaders" of the "rebellion" would not be Muscovites with alleged ties (in two cases proven) to the FSB.

[Boethius]

In other news, three teenagers were killed in Lysychansk when they stepped on a landmine planted by the terrorists "protecting" the local populace.

Locals in Stakhanov, in Luhansk oblast, held a rally demanding the terrorists leave their city.  Similar rallies have been held in other Donbass cities.


http://en.censor.net.ua/news/295044/citizens_of_stakhanov_told_militants_to_get_lost_several_thousand_locals_demanded_the_terrorists_to

[Boethius]

The terrorists have placed bombs in taxis, allegedly without the knowledge of the driver, and are using women and children as human shields.


http://en.censor.net.ua/news/294962/details_of_the_terrorist_act_near_kamianka_the_checkpoint_was_blown_up_not_by_a_suicide_bomber_but_a

[Boethius]

The reaction of locals in Severdonetsk on arrival of the fascist junta Ukrainian army.

[GQBlues]

...None of which is relevant to resigning office, fleeing the country in such haste you leave boxes of state papers behind at one of your residences, and then rescinding your resignation when you are out of the country....

Non sequitur.

...No, the bill for impeachment was not introduced until after Yanukovych's resignation...

Well, that's silly. Why would they introduce a bill to impeach if they believe he actually resigned? If he factually resigned, who will they be impeaching then? Are they really this incompetent? 

...I would never have been in Yanukovych's position, as were I elected, I would not have abused my powers, and most especially not to enrich myself personally at the expense of state coffers.  That is just not in my DNA...

Exactly counselor. You answered that exactly they way I thought you would. I didn't mean to lead you. Your objectivity was lost because of your underlying angst that has nothing to do with the issue at hand.

He fled because of some concocted charges he didn't commit.

...The Rada could have introduced that bill even had Yanukovych remained in power.  The Rada's make up did not change.

Supposition.

...A nationalistic agenda was not the reason for Euromaidan.

Who said it was? I certainly didn't.

.. That is a rather simplistic analysis....

Baseline erroneous.

...Moreover, there were no mass demonstrations in Eastern Ukraine, and it is not the reason for the conflict.  Were that the case the "leaders" of the "rebellion" would not be Muscovites with alleged ties (in two cases proven) to the FSB.

Non sequitur.

[Boethius]

Non sequitur.

Well, that's silly. Why would they introduce a bill to impeach if they believe he actually resigned? If he factually resigned, who will they be impeaching then? Are they really this incompetent?

It has to do with internal politics and the control of the Rada by the Party of Regions. 

He fled because of some concocted charges he didn't commit.

Er, uh, no.  It was also alleged he had stolen state funds, and that has now been proven.

Supposition.

As is your assertion that Yanukovych's removal from office is what triggered events in Eastern Ukraine.  Nope.  Were that correct, Kharkiv and Dnepropetrovsk would be "terrorist territory" as well.

Who said it was? I certainly didn't.

You provided a quote from a piece that did so state.

Baseline erroneous.

Non sequitur.

You're entitled to your opinion.  Even when you are obviously wrong.

[GQBlues]

You're entitled to your opinion.  Even when you are obviously wrong.

Roar! Me never wong...

 

[Misha]

In the Donetsk triangle, which is where the conflict was centralized (a triangle of roughly 200 km on each side, with Donetsk, Slovyansk, and Luhansk as points on the triangle), Russians from Russia, who are not citizens of Ukraine proclaimed themselves the "saviours" of the locals.  They are not elected.  They do not have popular support though clearly, many do support them, and fight with them.  However, to suggest this is somehow a nascent popular uprising is just false.   This is a false flag operation, conducted at the behest of a leader obsessed with "Russians", even where they are minority populations.

Exactly. And, now the residents of the freed Slovyansk are happy that the "saviours" are gone.


I will provide a rough translation of a wonderful video I saw yesterday.



In this video, one of the "journalists" of RT goes to the city and tries to find people who tell him of the horrors of the Ukrainian army taking the city. He meets one man and one woman. He tells the woman that when he was in Slovyansk that everybody was for the referendum, and she tells him that it not true, and the man says that he can confirm what she is saying. Then, the woman provides a wonderful critique of the referendum, pretty much saying what every rational person has ever said about it (i.e. it was not legitimate). She says: "photocopied ballots, that is a referendum?" Then she goes on to question who counted the ballots, who oversaw the voting...


Then he asks whether she supported the rebels. She says no. Then he asks a leading question about her opinion about the Ukrainian army and how they shot up the city killing innocent civilians  She just shoots him down, calls the rebels "уроды" or freaks. The "journalist" goes on parroting the RT line saying how the Ukrainian army killed children. She laughs in a tone that implies "what an idiot." She then say no, the Ukrainian army is doing the right thing, defending the territory, the borders, the country and defending its people.


When the "journalist" goes on insisting that the Ukrainian army killed children, she ask: "And the terrorists didn't kill children?" The man then steps in saying there is no war without casualties and that if the army hadn't come in they [the rebels] would still be terrorizing them.


They then walk off, she affirms: "only the Ukrainian army, only Glory to Ukraine." He continues filming as they walk off and the woman tells to the other man that the journalist certainly didn't get he interview he was hoping for 

[Boethius]

He received the same reception from another civilian, who finally gave up on him.  It is on his youtube channel.   The reporter works predominantly for RT, but apparently works for another network as well.

[Boethius]

A top rebel commander in eastern Ukraine has admitted the armed separatist movement had control of a Buk missile system, which Kiev and western countries say was used to shoot down a Malaysia Airlines plane last week.

Alexander Khodakovsky, who leads the Vostok battalion – one of the main rebel formations – said the rebels may have received the Buk from Russia, in the first such admission by a senior separatist.

"That Buk I know about. I heard about it. I think they sent it back. Because I found out about it at exactly the moment that I found out that this tragedy had taken place. They probably sent it back in order to remove proof of its presence," Khodakovsky told Reuters.

As two further Ukrainian fighter jets were shot down, apparently by missiles fired from within Russia, Khodakovsky appeared to imply that MH17 was indeed downed by a missile from the Buk. He blamed Ukrainian authorities, however, for allowing civilian jets to fly over its airspace when the rebels had such capabilities.


"The question is this: Ukraine received timely evidence the volunteers have this technology, through the fault of Russia. It not only did nothing to protect security, but provoked the use of this type of weapon against a plane that was flying with peaceful civilians," he said.


Other leaders have repeatedly denied the rebels had a Buk, despite photo and video evidence of one in the area of the crash last Thursday. There are rivalries and hatred between many of the rebel formations and Khodakovsky is believed to be out of favour with Igor Strelkov, the main commander of the Donetsk rebels.

However, his admission about the Buk chimes with evidence on the ground. This week the Guardian also spoke to witnesses who said they saw a missile-launching system that looked like a Buk drive through Torez, near the crash site, last Thursday, a few hours before the plane was downed.


Khodakovsky said he did not know where the missile system had come from but it may have come from Russia. He added the separatists had seized several Buk systems from Ukrainian bases, but none of them were operational.


"I'm not going to say Russia gave these things or didn't give them. Russia could have offered this Buk under some entirely local initiative. I want a Buk, and if someone offered me one, I wouldn't turn it down. But I wouldn't use it against something that did not threaten me. I would use it only in circumstances when there was an air attack on my positions, to protect people's lives," he said.


The admission comes as the first bodies arrived in the Netherlands, after a long journey from Torez by train to Kharkiv, and then by plane to the Netherlands. Separatists say they loaded 282 bodies on to the train, but Dutch experts have suggested the number that were actually handed over could be much lower. Monitors at the crash site say there are still human remains lying on the ground.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2014/jul/23/mh17-ukraine-separatists-buk-missile-system

[lordtiberius]

Putin is No Hitler



Hitler was not as rich

[Photo Guy]

I just read this page and what strikes me most is GQ's tact of defending Yanukovych. Few people in the world today are willing to defend a corrupt dictator like Yanukovych. It's bizarre. He has stated that he does not give a crap about how this conflict evolves or resolves, and yet here he is acting as though Yanukovych was good for Ukraine. So does that mean he is okay with the leader of Ukraine acting as a puppet of Putin? Put that in the context of what he calls US and EU meddling in Ukraine's affairs. Hey, by now it's obvious to most of us that GQ is a Putin sympathizer. That means he's okay with Putin's 'New Russia' and the expansion of Russia. Keep that in mind when you read his posts...

[lordtiberius]

Yeah, i only listen to him when he is criticizing Obama.

And not even Putin defends Yanukovych.

[LiveFromUkraine]

I just read this page and what strikes me most is GQ's tact of defending Yanukovych. Few people in the world today are willing to defend a corrupt dictator like Yanukovych. It's bizarre. He has stated that he does not give a crap about how this conflict evolves or resolves, and yet here he is acting as though Yanukovych was good for Ukraine. So does that mean he is okay with the leader of Ukraine acting as a puppet of Putin? Put that in the context of what he calls US and EU meddling in Ukraine's affairs. Hey, by now it's obvious to most of us that GQ is a Putin sympathizer. That means he's okay with Putin's 'New Russia' and the expansion of Russia. Keep that in mind when you read his posts...

You really have a hard-on for GQ it seems.  You should fix that insecurity. 


It certainly doesn't surprise me that some of you guys can't seem to understand that stating an opinion doesn't mean you are for or against anything. 


Like saying Yanukovych was the elected president and what happened was illegal does not make anyone a Yanukovych sympathizer.


I know you're having a hard time right now but the sooner you understand this the better.


Photoguy, the last thing you want to do is sound like LT. 


 

[lordtiberius]

I agree with you L FU.  That I myself do not wish Photo Guy to sound like me, but he can take comfort that he'd almost never  double or triple d-bag hard and side ways to sound like you.

Do you kiss Putin with that mouth?

[LiveFromUkraine]

I agree with you L FU.  That I myself do not wish Photo Guy to sound like me, but he can take comfort that he'd almost never  double or triple d-bag hard and side ways to sound like you.

Do you kiss Putin with that mouth?

As a guy who says he is interested in women, you seem to have an unhealthy preoccupation of men kissing (I don't even want to know what other fantasies are floating around your head) other men. 

[fathertime]

As a guy who says he is interested in women, you seem to have an unhealthy preoccupation of men kissing (I don't even want to know what other fantasies are floating around your head) other men.

Fathertime!