Russian Women Discussion
RWD Discussion Groups => Starting Out => Topic started by: Jamesukjames on January 19, 2019, 06:20:55 AM
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In the vein of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Some structured criticism please. I married young 3 kids divorced after 19 years because I realised ex was playing away multiple times. 3 year uk relationship until I ended the relationship because I realised she was having affairs. Then my first Belarus who got me addicted to fsu she looked better than a young pamela Anderson but she had so many options I was just a 4 month fling. Then lived with a Belarus and her son , everything was ok until I suggested moving to the uk, then the ex husbands family just waded in re the son, little fling with a Latvian who was so boring, onto a complete disaster with a ukranian who I eventually figured out had an English sugar daddy and was chasing a uk passport. kiev little few day relationship with a woman who I now figure was on backhanders from restaurants and taxis but kept my bed warm and showed me the sights. Now back on fdating Ukraine Im thinking of meeting an unemployed woman who via whats app ive seen lives in a nice apartment, nice clothes, sleeps odd times of the day and night , eats English chocolate and tea. My spider senses are on red alert but my little brain likes the curves. I tell my story to give others an insight into one mans reality but also Id like some views about whats going on with this future date. Sorry if my story is not clean enough for some but its my reality. Id like to live with one woman for the rest of my life and apart from kiev I entered all relationships with that intention . So fellow spartans a kicking please I do find it useful as a way of keeping my eyes open
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Just an idea, but I don't know how relevant it is in your case and it will take time.
What about finding some real good friends in FSU, but not in a romantic way. Let's say you have an interest, can be anything. You go international and try to strike up friendship with someone in FSU, maybe multiple people. I'm talking here real friendship where you invest time and interest and communicate on a regular basis and establish trust.
You then ask your new friends to suggest a suitable woman from their circle of family/friends. In this way you know they will suggest only serious women and she will trust you to be a serious man.
I'm married myself, but I know that if I were looking, my friends in Donetsk would suggest someone from their vast circle of friends both in Ukraine and Russia.
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In the vein of what doesn't kill you makes you stronger.
Friedrich Nietzsche was a weirdo.
Polio might not kill you but it won't make you stronger.
My spider senses are on red alert but my little brain likes the curves.
Do you want another series of short passionate relationships that end in failure?
Do you still have unfinished business? Have you always wanted to bang a cRaZy
redhead and still want to do it?
Have you not dated enough bad girls yet to get it out of your system?
Do you want to find fixer upper girls and try to fix them? Broken girls can't be fixed
and character flaws don't go away.
Until you've decided that you want to find a good girl for marriage nobody at the
forum can help you. If you still need to get the before marriage bucket list checked
off then go do that and come back here when you are ready. You don't need to bother
any good girls until you are ready.
When you are ready:
I highly recommend making a written list of exactly what you want in a woman. I also
highly recommend making a list right under the first list of things you don't want. You
don't need to make these lists public, but it will help you keep your eye on the prize.
You can compromise on many things on your list maybe you wanted a C cup but you
found an excellent girl with a B cup then you compromise, but never, ever, ever, ever,
compromise on character.
Once you've gotten your wild oats sown and your two lists done come back and we
can get you pointed in the right direction.
Udachi!
Bill
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James, I think it's a case of learning what went wrong and how to avoid hitting the same problems in future. That said no two girls you date may have the same issues. Have you considered meeting this next girl as part of a visit many strategy? So you are not spending the week or so with one girl only to find out she's another fools errand. You could spend one day with her and already have lined up other girls to meet on other days, say meet one girl a day roughly. ML explains one way how to do this on his sticky note thread up the top. It's what I am going to attempt next for a visit in about a couple of months or so :)
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It's what I am going to attempt next for a visit in about a couple of months or so :)
Where will you go?
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2 good answers that I will re read. I'm looking for my final relationship. Vasectomy so unlikely to go down the baby route again. A woman who has her own children as I realise that makes a balance. Really like the idea of going back to Minsk and meeting up with people I know rather than dating and looking around the friendship group as I feel a little Jaded at present.
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Trench ive never been any good at bluffing and its not my scene id rather fly in for a week meet one and if it doesn't work then go off solo and see what happens. Also I believe in karma if you date many then so should she and that's not for me either. Also to date many at some point you must tell a lie not something I do.
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Where will you go?
Minsk is currently my preffered option. I like Kiev it's where I first started on this venture but like amount of Ukraine so much BS can go on their with the women, plus Russian tanks bumping around on the border.
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Trench ive never been any good at bluffing and its not my scene id rather fly in for a week meet one and if it doesn't work then go off solo and see what happens. Also I believe in karma if you date many then so should she and that's not for me either. Also to date many at some point you must tell a lie not something I do.
You're probably right James, otherwise you'lld end up having a sexathon ;D
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James
You have serious trust issues..
You trust someone telling you porkies and don't believe the truth when you see it ))
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I think you already realize that randomly meeting someone from another culture and background, when not really knowing that much about them personally yet,leads to expected rather random results.
I'm not knocking that,as it's how most people have met their spouses over recent history.
Date,rinse, repeat until something clicks more long term for both people.
It obviously works ,but has its issues .
I'd suggest that even though you are close enough to just hop over and meet anyone, most anytime, that you may want to take more time initially.
Odd, as I normally suggest guys just meet anyone, as quick as they feel there is some degree of connection.
In your case since you have already had a few rounds if that and jaded yourself some, you could take it a bit slower.
Perhaps ,take a deep breath, relax,
and just go thru contacts and communications until domonevreally stands out, cultivate a connection to point you both truly feel you know each other a bit and want to meet on more than a whim.
I'm far more of a meet on a whim person , lol
but in the case of my wife, I felt through lots of communication that I knew her pretty well before we met.
Granted it could have easily been nothing within 5 seconds of meeting,but it turned out she was exactly who I thought she was, and even more amazing she actually liked who I was.
Things went from there.
I guess I feel you dint seem to sort out what kind of person they are before meeting,or you knew and decided to give it a whirl anyway.
Obviously noone can truly know someone well initially, but you should be able to have a pretty good idea of them.
If you were having good luck in them having good character or being in sync with you on life outlook,and merely had nornal relationship or chemistry false starts , I certainly wouldn't advise you to change anything.
To me it just seems you have a higher than average rate of untenable developments come up that indicate maybe meeting a tad quickly.
Again sorting those scenarios out in person is just fine as well,
personally I'd tire of the false starts UF I thought a bit more initial communication would help it.
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Jumper good point. In the UK I had over 100 face to face first dates to meet one lady to have a relationship with. Most UK women had used photo shop and old pictures and told lies in their profiles. I had a nice relationship with a well educated 9 who started dating others behind my back when I had to go to court the 4 and 5 th time with my divorce . With f dating the photos tend to be genuine the women are friendly and engaging and relationships seem to escalate very quickly. I was raised by a Belarus grandmother and a military grandfather I never really fitted in to UK family ways but in Belarus and Ukraine I seem to fit in and relationships escalate quickly. Either that or they're hooking me in to take advantage. By nature the women seem more sexual than UK women. I've never had a first date in the fsu that has not lead to a relationship.
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Jumper good point. In the UK I had over 100 face to face first dates to meet one lady to have a relationship with. Most UK women had used photo shop and old pictures and told lies in their profiles. I had a nice relationship with a well educated 9 who started dating others behind my back when I had to go to court the 4 and 5 th time with my divorce .
That's what I mean when I say on this forum if you take a girl back from the FSU who is an 8-10 she isn't going to last long. People say I'm paranoid but the truth is unless you're on your guard loads of guys will be hitting on her. That's going to be difficult for a girl not to get carried away by her new found glory. Even a 5-7 may be subject to play away 'once they realise their worth in the UK'. As you yourself know James being a UK guy even a minger of a girl has options here lol. Hence why if I had around £1k a month independent income or could earn remotely I would consider living in the FSU.
That is of course once she realises her worth here, play it right and that could take a while. Either that or be lucky enough to get a girl that will remain loyal if only for a more comfortable lifestyle.
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Tend to agree with you trench. Society has moved on to the point women are as faithful as cats and men are as faithful as dogs. Even my Russian Latvian male friends admit that their wives who are off the scale in the UK are normal looking women that go relatively un noticed in Minsk.
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Having said that women who are single because their husband went off with another woman tend to be a better bet than those that just drifted apart. Because drifting apart I find means she had an affair that didn't last.
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That's what I mean when I say on this forum if you take a girl back from the FSU who is an 8-10 she isn't going to last long. People say I'm paranoid but the truth is unless you're on your guard loads of guys will be hitting on her.
Trench,
Why are you in this 'game' ?
OF COURSE guys are going to hit on 'your woman' - probably for the very reason you might have chosen her ..
Even though I got dumped by my former RU wife to be - I am certain she didn't play away from home and knew I never would ... I have never been two-timed in my life ...( YET ! )
Could it be you and James keep choosing the wrong woman ?
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Exactly, people from other western countries don't know how competitive things are in the UK. Just tge other day I was training a guy up at work. All while I was doing this he was trying to score points and make a name for himself with the rest of tge workforce whenever they were around/whenever he could. All for a basic wage job that you could pick up anywhere, just so irritating and needless. I just kept my composure as anything else just makes matters worse and ride it out for the duration.
Now that guy was about a decade younger than me so how do you think he would have behaved had I a hottie FSW in he's eyesight? That's right he would have been unashamedly all over her like a rash, probably even brazenly in front of my eyes trying to score points of her. I've no doubt such a girl would beat any girl of the council estate he came off. Hence why if I were to bring back a girl from the FSU, even a 5-7, I would play it very careful on how my life was set up with her. Too many guys out there with just no scruples about hitting on women already with a guy and only caring about number 1. Unfortunately a lot of nasty people around these days, just no moral values what so ever.
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Exactly, people from other western countries don't know how competitive things are in the UK. Just tge other day I was training a guy up at work. All while I was doing this he was trying to score points and make a name for himself with the rest of tge workforce whenever they were around/whenever he could. All for a basic wage job that you could pick up anywhere, just so irritating and needless. I just kept my composure as anything else just makes matters worse and ride it out for the duration.
Now that guy was about a decade younger than me so how do you think he would have behaved had I a hottie FSW in he's eyesight? That's right he would have been unashamedly all over her like a rash, probably even brazenly in front of my eyes trying to score points of her. I've no doubt such a girl would beat any girl of the council estate he came off. Hence why if I were to bring back a girl from the FSU, even a 5-7, I would play it very careful on how my life was set up with her. Too many guys out there with just no scruples about hitting on women already with a guy and only caring about number 1. Unfortunately a lot of nasty people around these days, just no moral values what so ever.
Sorry but this is just more cobblers from Trench.
It doesn’t matter at all where your woman is from. If the foundation of your relationship has no footings then there’s trouble ahead for you.
Doesn’t matter if she’s a council estate bint or a FSU 10.
There’s nothing new here, attached attractive women everywhere attract attention. It doesn’t mean they succumb to the advances of the first bloke that hits on them, whether he’s their personal trainer or the bus boy.
It’s only insecure blokes like you who have such obvious shortcomings who know that their relationships with women are tenuous under the best of circumstances.
People like myself, on the other hand, walk around with my beautiful wife on my arm, wearing the Louboutain shoes I got her for Christmas and have a quiet chuckle at seeing the heads turn.
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I've never had a first date in the fsu that has not lead to a relationship.
Why is that? Do you jump into a relationship with just anyone you find attractive?
If you are happy with that, stick with it until you have your fill. Who knows, maybe you'll get lucky and find something that lasts.
On the flip side you are in a relationship with women who jump into a relationship with their first date. Why is it surprising if they develop wondering eyes after a while?
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That's what I mean when I say on this forum if you take a girl back from the FSU who is an 8-10 she isn't going to last long. People say I'm paranoid but the truth is unless you're on your guard loads of guys will be hitting on her. That's going to be difficult for a girl not to get carried away by her new found glory. Even a 5-7 may be subject to play away 'once they realise their worth in the UK'. As you yourself know James being a UK guy even a minger of a girl has options here lol. Hence why if I had around £1k a month independent income or could earn remotely I would consider living in the FSU.
That is of course once she realises her worth here, play it right and that could take a while. Either that or be lucky enough to get a girl that will remain loyal if only for a more comfortable lifestyle.
That's exactly why you should be looking to meet the right woman - not just one who looks like a 9 or a 10. When is the penny finally going to drop?
Your paranoia (amongst other things) will not allow you to be ever successful in this venture. You have serious issues when it comes to trust and women in general.
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Exactly, people from other western countries don't know how competitive things are in the UK.
:ROFL:
Only for the likes of you, Trenchie ..
You KEEP being told ... Most guys searching in the FSU have no problem pulling in their home country ...
You need to ask yourself , "Where am I going wrong?"
Start with your attitude / 'humour' ..
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That's what I mean when I say on this forum if you take a girl back from the FSU who is an 8-10 she isn't going to last long. People say I'm paranoid but the truth is unless you're on your guard loads of guys will be hitting on her. That's going to be difficult for a girl not to get carried away by her new found glory. Even a 5-7 may be subject to play away 'once they realise their worth in the UK'. As you yourself know James being a UK guy even a minger of a girl has options here lol. Hence why if I had around £1k a month independent income or could earn remotely I would consider living in the FSU.
That is of course once she realises her worth here, play it right and that could take a while. Either that or be lucky enough to get a girl that will remain loyal if only for a more comfortable lifestyle.
That sounds like the attitude of a 20 something female from anywhere.
My wife has a saying 'Boyfriends are very easy to get however Husbands (good ones) are far more difficult to find.
For the sake of honesty my wife could have found someone more attractive than me at the local Pet Shop.
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That sounds like the attitude of a 20 something female from anywhere.
My wife has a saying 'Boyfriends are very easy to get however Husbands (good ones) are far more difficult to find.
For the sake of honesty my wife could have found someone more attractive than me at the local Pet Shop.
Good to see someone who is honest Steamer :) I find that often many guys are oblivious to why the girl is with them or prefer to ignore the truth. Like I said to another poster who didn't take it too well the ability to be introspective is not a quality that everyone is able to grasp.
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Lyndon less hard on trench he speaks the truth about personality types. Uk and f s u have totally different mind sets. Treat a f s u woman right she will treat you right. Uk women have been force fed feminism and tend to be just plain horrible. Polish women are nice too. The educational level of your average UK woman is so much lower than fsu women
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Lyndon less hard on trench he speaks the truth about personality types. Uk and f s u have totally different mind sets. Treat a f s u woman right she will treat you right. Uk women have been force fed feminism and tend to be just plain horrible. Polish women are nice too. The educational level of your average UK woman is so much lower than fsu women
Do you not find it strange that you're the only person that seems to agree with him about anything? Bear in mind that almost everyone here has also been to FSU, Mob, John Gaunt and I live in UK...so you're not kidding anyone.
If you've had an unsuccessful marriage and keep stringing together a succession of badly failed relationships, do you not think you might need to change your outlook too? Everyone is entitled to have relationships not quite make it but given the questions you're asking here, and based on the history you've described, it can hardly come as a surprise...
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In Ukraine and Belarus I noticed a lot of 20s year old guys chasing 20s year old women. Once the woman has a child and gets divorced she's offered affairs by married men or a sex relationship with a single guy but he will see her child as a hindrance he s unlikely to play step father
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Most of the guys you mention are both reasonably old and out of date. The world has moved on.
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I guess what I was asking is how is the woman I'm potentially dating is living well in the Ukraine yet is not working which I guess means she's a bit dodgy
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Tend to agree with you trench.
If you find a good girl and win her heart then you have nothing to worry about.
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Also lyndon the only time you can say you were successful with a woman is on your death bed looking backwards. I 've spent the day with 2 of my friends and a platonic female Latvian Russian friend so I can do normal. But a grey eyed Ukrainian floats my boat they are just so fun loving
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That's what I mean when I say on this forum if you take a girl back from the FSU who is an 8-10 she isn't going to last long. People say I'm paranoid but the truth is unless you're on your guard loads of guys will be hitting on her.
Trench you really don't know what you're talking about. If a girl from the FSU is an 8 plus the guys will hit on her in London, in Moscow, in Minsk, in Kiev, basically anywhere in the FSU. If the guys are hitting on her in the FSU they're going to be doing the talk in the local lingo which you don't speak so you won't know what's going on.
At least if you're dating someone back home you understand the language and know how the routine for dating goes. Basically in the FSU you know next to nothing.
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The lady or the tiger?
remember this old fairy tale?
This is the story of EVERY woman you meet!
which one will she be; lady or tiger
the one to love you or the one to destroy you?
you want to know the truth?
it comes down to luck...
but there are definitely things you can do to INCREASE your chances of winning
as I unsuccessfully tried to explain earlier
looking at Russian women with western glasses can sometimes give a distorted picture
you may need to try a new prescription for your optiks
but, there is this to think about...
trust is the essential ingredient
if you can’t learn to trust her
then you could NEVER have a permanent relationship with her
I DO HOPE you understand this!
my advice
turn down the paranoia meter, until you have incontrovertible proof she is lying to you
if she lies to you, say das vas danya baby
but meanwhile be patient and optimistic and give it time
and communicate as much as possible...
it's a lot of "give and take" for you both
and you need to learn each others communication style
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Dave ny you are partly correct but UK guys can give her a different experience . Russian guys can be subservient behind closed doors and tend to be a bit samy and can often be really boring and selfish in bed.
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I guess what I was asking is how is the woman I'm potentially dating is living well in the Ukraine yet is not working which I guess means she's a bit dodgy
I would say it is likely that she is dodgy, sometimes there is a reasonable explanation as she may have been made unemployed since she bought the nice stuff. Odds are its from other guys, agency money, etc. You could ask her but unless she gives you a detailed response I would be cautious. Also you could see how her personality comes across on messages and try & judge how sincere she is. At any rate could be a good learning exercise.
I've never yet met a FSW through a dating website that was real dodgy. They were all sincere enough but they all had an issue that proved to be a problem in terms of long term relationship with them. Looking back, the big point is this: if I knew more about the indicators of these issues and looked harder at the detail of what the girls said in their messages (and perhaps photos) I would have noticed the issues I encountered.
So I think the signs are often subtley there of girl with issues as the girls personality can seep these clues over time perhaps even unoticed to herself. Do keep a keen eye our and try and pick up what you can I think.
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It's the English tea and choclate she eats . yet I'm the first UK she has ever spoken to.
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Seriously starting to think Trench and James are incarnations of someone's schizophrenia. Too many generalisations about FSU men, UK men and 'red flags'. Trench's theorising has become nauseating.
James, it seems like you're easily swayed when it comes to jumping into bed with any lady who flutters her eyelashes. If you just want to go out and bed tons of women, be honest with yourself about it.
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Treat a f s u woman right she will treat you right.
The FSUM I know whose wives were cheating on them would disagree with you.
Uk women have been force fed feminism and tend to be just plain horrible. Polish women are nice too. The educational level of your average UK woman is so much lower than fsu women
BWHAHAHA. Only because UK women don't print fake degrees.
In 2012, the mayor's office in L'viv was embroiled in a scandal after a false diploma was discovered. So, they asked everyone working for the city government to produce their diplomas. The next day, 85% of the work force didn't show up.
A Ukrainian can purchase a diploma for anywhere from 5,000 to 15,000 hyrvnia (2018 numbers). For a physician, between US$250 and $450. The diploma can even even be registered at the university, as an extra precaution.
An elected official in the Verkhovna Rada has had a criminal case opened against him, after he claimed to have a degree from the Kyiv National Economical University, and that he was a member of the Ukrainian Academy of Sciences (which doesn't really exist). Natalia Korolevska, a "well educated" Ukrainian Rada member, claimed to have a degree from the International Institute of Management, Business, and Law. In reality, she is a high school drop out.
There have been at least a dozen members of the Rada that have been investigated for fake degrees. By Ukrainian estimates, every tenth person elected to the Rada - the highest governing body in Ukraine - has a fake diploma. The number of Ukrainian bureaucrats with false diplomas is practically uncountable.
The better half says, about the "advanced" level of Ukrainian education "You have to be a complete idiot to believe in this fairy tale."
Most of the guys you mention are both reasonably old and out of date. The world has moved on.
lyndontom is more than a decade younger than you. I suspect John Gaunt is younger than you as well. Lyndontom is unmarried, so his information on dating is still current. His experiences are different from yours only in perception. John is married, but not so long that his information would be "out of date".
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Dave ny you are partly correct but UK guys can give her a different experience . Russian guys can be subservient behind closed doors and tend to be a bit samy and can often be really boring and selfish in bed.
How many Russian men have you slept with to make this definitive statement?
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Dave ny you are partly correct but UK guys can give her a different experience . Russian guys can be subservient behind closed doors and tend to be a bit samy and can often be really boring and selfish in bed.
You must know an entirely different group of Russian men than I do. I don't know too many Russian men who are subservient to their wives and/or g/fs. In fact, that's one thing most RM are not known for, being bossed around by their women either in public or in their homes.
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Your posts are JUST like sting123 .. - He posted with sweeping generalisations, too
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How many Russian men have you slept with to make this definitive statement?
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+1. How do people, even those that claim to have spent significant time in FSU and with people there, support such stereotypes?
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I would say it is likely that she is dodgy, sometimes there is a reasonable explanation as she may have been made unemployed since she bought the nice stuff. Odds are its from other guys, agency money, etc. You could ask her but unless she gives you a detailed response I would be cautious. Also you could see how her personality comes across on messages and try & judge how sincere she is. At any rate could be a good learning exercise.
More Trench Mumbo jumbo.....
I've never yet met a FSW through a dating website that was real dodgy.
Hmmmmm.....lets see, how many FSUW have you actually met?
They were all sincere enough but they all had an issue that proved to be a problem in terms of long term relationship with them.
Methinks the only issue that proved to be a problem was and still is.....you.
Looking back, the big point is this: if I knew more about the indicators of these issues and looked harder at the detail of what the girls said in their messages (and perhaps photos) I would have noticed the issues I encountered.
The biggest point is, it doesn't matter what you think you know. The fact remains that you are a 40 something poverty stricken bloke with no experience of women in your own country who has some utterly idiotic and eye wateringly foolish ideas about women in general who isn't going to 'get' with a woman from anywhere, anytime soon.
So I think the signs are often subtley there of girl with issues as the girls personality can seep these clues over time perhaps even unoticed to herself. Do keep a keen eye our and try and pick up what you can I think.
More Trench bollocks.
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Actually I'm talking about Belarus and Ukrainian men and obviously I'm hearing this 3rd hand. As I've said before never ask a deer how to hunt a deer so who knows if I'm being told the truth.
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Of course you're not being told the truth. "Oh, Jamesukjames, you're the best lover I've ever had. UM are selfish lovers who are just boring. No UM has ever taken me to the ecstasies you have."
Yup, no serving up to the (British) male ego there.
As with another poster long ago, who posted how FSUW were much better lovers than the AW he'd encountered, and that he'd been told FSUM were duds in bed, I asked, how did FSUW become so great in bed if their men are duds?
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Boethius thanks for the heads up about fake Ukrainian qualifications
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As I've said before never ask a deer how to hunt a deer so who knows if I'm being told the truth.
I think you are misguided in this statement. Who better to know what will work on a deer, or whether a deer is honest, than another deer?
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So what's a man supposed to do go out for meals and cinema with his kids and sleep alone.
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No, but it all depends on what you are looking for. If you are looking for a warm body for your bed, then your approach works. Just don't expect loyalty or love.
If you are looking for a good woman who will love you and be a good wife, then you are going to have to change your approach. Bill gave you some good advice. Other men here who are in LTRs, such as John Gaunt and msmob, who also happen to have brought their wives to the UK, could also be good sources of information on adjustment to a new culture, what to watch for, etc. I am certain I'm missing some, just thinking of the ones posting on this thread.
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Also I guess I was given a big slap by my last relationship 42 days together in 90 days of knowing each other yet she was 2 timing me with someone she'd been having a sugar daddy relationship with for 10 years and id never have guessed except for me seeing her phone.
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She was cheating on him with you.
The better half says "Destroyed people create destroyed societies." This is his view of FSU societies, and a large part of their population (not all, but a large part).
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She had only been separated from her husband only 4 years. I'd never have guessed what was going on behind the scenes.
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She was cheating on him with you.
Exactly! That's why I said to James at the time to not bother asking as it would lead nowhere. James had the advantage as she choose to cheat on the other guy with him - hence James was in first place. James only needed to make a commitment to the girl and the other dude would have been blown out of the water. After having dated him for 10 years and him being a decade or so older than James that relationship with the other guy was going nowhere. Girl probably wanted to endo that relationship were it not for the money, she has a five year old after all hence why she needed a commitment from James. As has been said before you can't just fly in and expect a girl to turn her whole life upside down on the basis of some good wishes, kind words and some rampant sex!
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She would not be a good wife. Which is why she didn't have a FSUM living with her.
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She would not be a good wife. Which is why she didn't have a FSUM living with her.
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but she was "hot" - that's enough for these two blokes, appearance over everything.
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Most of the guys you mention are both reasonably old and out of date. The world has moved on.
Uh......old?
Out of date?
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My uncle married an Austrian and my aunt married a German. Even though my blood relations spoke business level German they said they never really got a feeling for what was going on with their partners at a deep level. I guess I'm starting to understand what they meant.
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She would not be a good wife. Which is why she didn't have a FSUM living with her.
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Perhaps she hand not found a man right for her. James could have been that man, with a bit of spanking she could have come on along great ;D
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Trench you may be right but the fight just went out of me plus she started waving sugar daddy in my face once I knew
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I've never met you but based on your posts:
You think with your dick.
You don't assess character enough.
You have a delusional view of FSUW.
You are not over past relationships.
You probably attract women who are not marriage material because you are not marriage material. You're interested in an unemployed woman because she has nice photos? And you question why you keep meeting the wrong girls?
You can get an idea about one's personality in a day but relationships take time to develop. It may sound old-fashioned but love precedes sex. If you have sex before love then you can forget about finding a good wife. The odds will be slim.
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Perhaps she hand not found a mn right for her. James could have been that man, with a bit of spanking she could have come on along great ;D
Your lack of understanding of Ukrainian culture is evident yet again.
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Trench you may be right but the fight just went out of me plus she started waving sugar daddy in my face once I knew
That meant she was trying to get rid of you. That plus her giving you money to leave.
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You can get an idea about one's personality in a day but relationships take time to develop. It may sound old-fashioned but love precedes sex. If you have sex before love then you can forget about finding a good wife. The odds will be slim.
Seems to indicate a very low threshold for what constitutes love.
Anyone (man or woman) who insists they must feel love for someone before they can perform sex with them either
1) has a very low definition of love
2) is not going to have much sex
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I was addressing the OP not 'anyone'. He values physical satisfaction over both (determination of) a woman's character and genuine feelings for a woman. Not many guys can think straight when "under the influence", so temporary voluntary abstinence may do wonders for him George Costanza-style.
Or continue being a horny MILF-hunting sex tourist - nothing wrong with that! Easy women are easy to find - and can be fun, but not necessarily the best for marriage; замок, который можно открыть любым ключом, плохой замок.
But a dose of Lyudmila Ivanova may not hurt at this point. There are those who are satisfied with sex without love, and those who are satisfied eating at McDonalds. Don't complain if you get indigestion from either!
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Seems to indicate a very low threshold for what constitutes love.
Anyone (man or woman) who insists they must feel love for someone before they can perform sex with them either
1) has a very low definition of love
2) is not going to have much sex
I can still remember meeting my group for sushi one night back when I was still single. Big dinner group and amongst us were 5 of the best female friends in our circle. The discussion went to relationships, sex, and marriage. One of the cutest gal, Janet, made a statement I can still remember. Janet is your prototypical SoCal Barbie! Now mind you, in SoCal, this may well be a more common sentiment for the women than many would likely believe...
Janet said:
"Of course if I met someone very attractive, I'll be open to sex sooner than later. The semantic of love before sex doesn't make sense to me. If he's great in bed, then I'd invest all the time he'd like for me spend getting to know everything about him he'd like while all the while having great sex, baby. If he suck sexually, why invest any time to get to know him better? The relationship is doomed to fail."
Men...you wonder why women like to cheat?
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I can still remember meeting my group for sushi one night back when I was still single. Big dinner group and amongst us were 5 of the best female friends in our circle. The discussion went to relationships, sex, and marriage. One of the cutest gal, Janet, made a statement I can still remember. Janet is your prototypical SoCal Barbie! Now mind you, in SoCal, this may well be a more common sentiment for the women than many would likely believe...
Janet said:
"Of course if I met someone very attractive, I'll be open to sex sooner than later. The semantic of love before sex doesn't make sense to me. If he's great in bed, then I'd invest all the time he'd like for me spend getting to know everything about him he'd like while all the while having great sex, baby. If he suck sexually, why invest any time to get to know him better? The relationship is doomed to fail."
Men...you wonder why women like to cheat?
This is a great post GQ, some interesting food for thought here and insight into the female mind, one of them at least.
Brings up the issue of is it important to get to know a girl first, come to care about her before having good or bad sex.
or,
Have sex with a girl whom you feel it for early on, vice versa and have good or bad sex as a decider of whether a relationship would be worth the time & effort of getting to know her and come to care about her.
I think the other issue is bad sex with a girl something that should be discovered quickly as it tends to put a downer on a relationship until it finishes it or left till find out later and lose a lot more time with the wrong woman.
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I also tend to find some people seem to suggest putting off sex as if it has a Quasimodo effect that will adversely affect the relationship. I am not so sure, Idon't tend to set out to have sex with loads of women as I only see the point in doing it with those I am attracted to, but I don't see the point in delaying it if the time seems right early on. My perspective is that it doean't need to negate caring about a girl. On the other hand I worry about guys like James whose focus may be over taken with a need for sex from whatever attractive girl he comes to meet, rather than a focus on a relationship with a girl it becomes a short term sexual fulfillment and when filled he has little other choice than to move on without properly finding out about the girl and seeing if he can come to care about her.
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I have never experienced that the mere act of having sex ruined any relationship I was building.
Now I have experienced bad sex that adversely affected the relationship.
I was very happy that it came along early in the relationships so that wasted time was kept to a minimum.
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I've found this site useful I've had the same core group of friends for the last 25 years and id say of them male and female their relationship advice was terrible this forum's advice is better and has certainly kept my head straight in difficult times. Went to my first jive lesson and noted how different middle class brits are to Ukrainian.
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I have experienced sexual experiences that were ok but became wonderful and wonderful that became dull...
Sex ..for me is better is there is a spark and love.
Your post might give Trench the idea he had 'support for his 'viewpoint'.
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Most people's advice on here has elements that I agree with trenches views on UK women v Ukrainian and Belarus ring true. Anecdotatly I think Russians are slightly different having never been I can't comment. Most of my British born friends wouldn't date fsu and their advice is just don't. My Latvian male friends eat drink and are merry but are completely closed books about relationship. My Belarus male friends just try to stop me getting amoung the single females as even when they are married they seem to protect every woman in the group and the women are friendly to each other's faces but malign each other behind each other's backs. Ukrainians seem more community spirited softer ways softer voices.
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Trenchs views on modern UK dating ring very true. About UK women about aggressive male players. In the 90s some guys would make subtle advances on a wife. Turn of century they got more blatant. 2010 men have figured it's cheaper and more fun to date someone that is being financed by some hard working guy. Back in th 90s the guy would be taking his life in his hands. 2019 the husband has to stand by and let it happen or he'll be on an assault charge without any way of making a living. In the UK on the radio they were saying assault sentences need to be harder because there is an increase in assaults. UK a stupid country where shouting spitting or making some one afraid by raising your hand is assault as is punching them
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Trenchs views on modern UK dating ring very true. About UK women about aggressive male players. In the 90s some guys would make subtle advances on a wife. Turn of century they got more blatant. 2010 men have figured it's cheaper and more fun to date someone that is being financed by some hard working guy. Back in th 90s the guy would be taking his life in his hands. 2019 the husband has to stand by and let it happen or he'll be on an assault charge without any way of making a living.
Exactly, I know of a guy a few years back whose wife was having sex with some other guy while he was at work, working nights. People are nasty like that these days on thd UK and have no scrouples about doing it. So while he was working hard to support them and their child she obviously couldn't care less and on fact disrespected him for it.
Your right James that the scene has definitely changed over the last few decades. Cheating like that has gone from a near taboo and scandal to be frowned upon in the 90's to a who cares everyone do each other over in the present day. Guys will stop at nothing to move in on a married/long term serious relationship woman for their own joy and couldn't care less about some other guy, it's all seen as fair game to them unfortunately.
Many guys out there today that are callous with no morals just thinking of only them, many UK women callous disregard of their partners also. I say if you've got something worth protecting, protect it. No of course you can't go to extremes but consider soft methods, avoiding where problems might arise, mitigating dangerous areas, the set up between thd two of you. No point in importing a FSW just to have life messed up shortly after arriving. There will be many guys in the UK that will think predatory and will see it as a joy and their entitlement to have a crack at your girl.
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Here in is the problem modern women won't commit to staying faithful yet to bring them from the f s u to uk or usa you must marry them. In USA you can have pre nuptial agreements in the UK you can not sign away your rights magna Carta. So trench is correct to long term date an f s u you have to marry and put everything you have on the line or you have to relocate to the fsu.
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Exactly, I know of a guy a few years back whose wife was having sex with some other guy while he was at work, working nights. People are nasty like that these days on thd UK and have no scrouples about doing it. So while he was working hard to support them and their child she obviously couldn't care less and on fact disrespected him for it.
Your right James that the scene has definitely changed over the last few decades. Cheating like that has gone from a near taboo and scandal to be frowned upon in the 90's to a who cares everyone do each other over in the present day. Guys will stop at nothing to move in on a married/long term serious relationship woman for their own joy and couldn't care less about some other guy, it's all seen as fair game to them unfortunately.
Many guys out there today that are callous with no morals just thinking of only them, many UK women callous disregard of their partners also. I say if you've got something worth protecting, protect it. No of course you can't go to extremes but consider soft methods, avoiding where problems might arise, mitigating dangerous areas, the set up between thd two of you. No point in importing a FSW just to have life messed up shortly after arriving. There will be many guys in the UK that will think predatory and will see it as a joy and their entitlement to have a crack at your girl.
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I ‘imported’ my wife into the UK the best part of a decade ago. In that time there’s never been a whisper of any bloke hitting on her. Needless to say, she is a head turner.
With the mindset you have I don’t know why it is you are even considering fishing in FSU waters. It’s very clear you don’t trust women or anyone and think that keeping a woman out of sight of Joe Bloggs is the only way to prevent her jumping into bed with the first likely lad that comes along.
You reek of insecurity but that is understandable. Guys with low social skills and low down the income scales are disadvantaged in the dating stakes.
However, there is a way through the bog. Change yourself, change jobs, learn the skills you need, increase your earning power. None of these things are undoable but you have to actively want to go and change yourself .
Blaming society for your shortcomings isn’t going to enable your success in finding a woman, regardless of where you look.
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I actually work with a guy who loves to save money so he goes to salsa classes and gives married women lifts home. The women are annoyed that their husbands won't learn salsa so they decide to pay their husbands back by having car sex with this guy. Even though he's known by the wives to be doing this he is not shunned . His mind set is he doesn't spend money on dates doesn't have to work at a relationship and gets lots of sex. All the time the husbands just think their wives have been to just salsa . There are many guys who think like this especially the 30s still living at home 1 find married woman. 2 cause divorce she gets the house brings along one child. 3 he moves out from parents and in with woman she is afraid of being left by him and acts the perfect wife.
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Most people's advice on here has elements that I agree with trenches views on UK women v Ukrainian and Belarus ring true. Anecdotatly I think Russians are slightly different having never been I can't comment. Most of my British born friends wouldn't date fsu and their advice is just don't. My Latvian male friends eat drink and are merry but are completely closed books about relationship. My Belarus male friends just try to stop me getting amoung the single females as even when they are married they seem to protect every woman in the group and the women are friendly to each other's faces but malign each other behind each other's backs. Ukrainians seem more community spirited softer ways softer voices.
I like the soft nature of Ukrainian girls too :) The downside though tends to be the trust issues. I think they are more prone to get it on with just anyone. There are UW that are harder to crack but then it can go too hard to crack and they are frigid. Belarusian females I get the impression are a little like Polish girls, the tend to be brought up in the family more and have a family outlook. I haven't had much experience with Belarusian girls yet, they seem more reclusive than Ukrainian girls, reserved perhaps as a generality. I'm not sure that they would get with anyone, they will get with guys but perhaps not any guys so less open than Ukrainian girls maybe. Again a relationship still possible with relative ease perhaps though.
I wonder if your Belarusian friends have heard of your bedhopping antics or picked up that you might be a bit randy James and are guarded of letting you near the girls they know. With Polish girls they tend to date within their family and friendship groups and often distrust others outside of it. I was over in Krakow in Poland last summer and most Polish girls seemed pretty inaccessible to strangers. Belarusian girls probably more normal on that front but I got the impression the same family/ friendship group system. Possible to date outside if it so not as confined as Polish girls but still a factor. If your friends think you'll be shagging around they will probably see that as embarrassing to themselves and those that they know and damage their prized family/friendship circle.
Latvia I have never been too, according to Roosh's guide 'Don't bang Latvia' on Amazon Latvians prize locals over foreigners as there are many sex tourists go there and they have a closed of mentality to foreigners as a whole. So maybe that's thd reason.
I've been to Russia to Moscow once, never met girls in depth as had one at the time. They didn't seem quite as soft and fun loving as Ukrainian girls. They seemed even handed and I would say broadly accessible if you were to pursue. I think you could get with a Russian girl easy enough. Didn't notice any obvious problems. Find Russians in general tend to soften up more with familiarity so the more they see you the more at ease they become even if they haven't talked to you much at all. At first some Russians can be nonchalant, to some maybe even slightly hostile seeming. Ride if out with quiet patience and they'll tend come around more often than not. The Russian girls seem feminine and into men but I don't think as soft as Ukrainian girls, though perhaps that makes UW too easy to be good long term partners idk.
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John you have a smoking hot wife and in 10 years no one in the UK hit on her. You made me laugh out loud. I've watched my Belarus gf forget something get out the car cross the street and get chatted up at the next pavement. I've seen her get chatted up in museums when we wonder off in different directions. I've watched men approach her in bars while I've been in the rest room. I could go on and that was just the social time when we were both working and she was over in UK for only 2 weeks. I'll never forget meeting after work and as she walked down the street builders from scaffolding yelling Angel. Now she was a faithful girl because her husband had been unfaithful it seems to be a good set up dating women who are divorced because their husband cheated. John no need to get paranoid but if your wife is attractive she's being chatted up every day unless she's hidden in your basement
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Latvia is confusing because you have ethnic Latvian and ethnic Russians all with Latvian passports and a fair blend of both nationalities. Latvian are like Finns and Russians are like Russians. My Latvian russian male friends marry Belarus women because they can get more attractive wives due to the pull of an eu passport.
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John you have a smoking hot wife and in 10 years no one in the UK hit on her. You made me laugh out loud. I've watched my Belarus gf forget something get out the car cross the street and get chatted up at the next pavement. I've seen her get chatted up in museums when we wonder off in different directions. I've watched men approach her in bars while I've been in the rest room. I could go on and that was just the social time when we were both working and she was over in UK for only 2 weeks. I'll never forget meeting after work and as she walked down the street builders from scaffolding yelling Angel. Now she was a faithful girl because her husband had been unfaithful it seems to be a good set up dating women who are divorced because their husband cheated. John no need to get paranoid but if your wife is attractive she's being chatted up every day unless she's hidden in your basement
I didn’t say she doesn’t attract attention. Of course she does but that is not the same as being chatted up.
You and I obviously move in very different social circles.
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Social circles I'm talking about public spaces in london
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Social circles I'm talking about public spaces in london
Builders catcalling......is that what you call being hit on???
Really?
I avoid London like the plague. Can’t stand the place.
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Trenchs views on modern UK dating ring very true. About UK women about aggressive male players. In the 90s some guys would make subtle advances on a wife. Turn of century they got more blatant. 2010 men have figured it's cheaper and more fun to date someone that is being financed by some hard working guy. Back in th 90s the guy would be taking his life in his hands. 2019 the husband has to stand by and let it happen or he'll be on an assault charge without any way of making a living. In the UK on the radio they were saying assault sentences need to be harder because there is an increase in assaults. UK a stupid country where shouting spitting or making some one afraid by raising your hand is assault as is punching them
Yes, yes, women never cheated on their husbands in the halcyon time of years past. :-\
In general terms, women cheat because they are not receiving emotional fulfillment from their partners, or are overwhelmed by the drudgery of their home lives. Unsatisfying sex may be a factor, but I think it's far down the list. The vast majority of women in broad terms, are looking for an emotional connection when they have sex. There are lots of studies of women who have slept around and they always regret it, because what they seek in sex is not fulfilled by casual encounters.
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Ukrainians seem more community spirited softer ways softer voices.
Again I am LOL. You, as a foreigner, are a source of income in Ukraine. Ukrainians are not "soft". They can be helpful to you, they know how to party, but their lives are filled with small indignities and a lot of brutality. They are far "harder", both men and women, than most Westerners.
My experience - living in Ukraine, visiting frequently.
This is a projection of what you wish to see. Yes, there are decent people there, but overall, the environment shapes their mentality, and they have to survive because they live in a pretty brutal reality. They will have no problems lying to you if it benefits them, and that includes relatives.
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That's why I like boethius reality like a cold bucket of ice water.
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Maybe that came across wrong what I meant is it can be good to cool us down sometimes
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I know what you meant. :)
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Here in is the problem modern women won't commit to staying faithful yet to bring them from the f s u to uk or usa you must marry them. In USA you can have pre nuptial agreements in the UK you can not sign away your rights magna Carta. So trench is correct to long term date an f s u you have to marry and put everything you have on the line or you have to relocate to the fsu.
Trench has never been married and cannot cope with UK dating, either .... You have proved that you can get a 'jump' - just chose someone looking for the same thing whilst letting another sucker pay for it ...
I don't think either of you can be used as 'experts' re UK women - let alone FSU ones - given you both have SERIOUS trust issues
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Trust issues....divorced in UK due to wife playing away....next 3 year relationship that got to the brink of her and her kids moving in until I realised I was being 2 timed ... a few fsu relationships and then the last one where a sugar daddy was paying for everything . Yeah I have trust issues where my financial future is involved you can't give half away too many times before you have nothing.
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Trust issues....divorced in UK due to wife playing away....next 3 year relationship that got to the brink of her and her kids moving in until I realised I was being 2 timed ... a few fsu relationships and then the last one where a sugar daddy was paying for everything . Yeah I have trust issues where my financial future is involved you can't give half away too many times before you have nothing.
If you only give away half of what you have, you can never have "nothing" left - mathematical impossibility
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Msmob you old timer an ex spurt. Trench and I are the the young guns were out there in the frontline . Youre back at Whitehall sipping g and t and reminiscing. Trench may have some slightly different thought patterns but often he s not far off the mark. He might not be politically correct in his speech but he certainly reflects the Minsk and Ukraine I recognise and the UK dating and marriage scene. Those who live in ivory towers eventually get the doors kicked in because they overlooked the obvious.
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Night not so the lawyers and barristers turn the man's half to zero )))))
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Msmob you old timer an ex spurt. Trench and I are the the young guns were out there in the frontline . Youre back at Whitehall sipping g and t and reminiscing.
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You forget I have two teenage daughters and a step-son between 27 and 19 - NONE of them have the issues finding and keeping partners
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Msmob you old timer an ex spurt. Trench and I are the the young guns were out there in the frontline . Youre back at Whitehall sipping g and t and reminiscing. Trench may have some slightly different thought patterns but often he s not far off the mark. He might not be politically correct in his speech but he certainly reflects the Minsk and Ukraine I recognise and the UK dating and marriage scene. Those who live in ivory towers eventually get the doors kicked in because they overlooked the obvious.
I don't think Trench is on the mark very often, at least not in terms of motivations of women or Ukrainian culture. He funded his first UW's trip to Cyprus, bought her clothing, then complained about it for six months.
Both you and Trench are middle aged, so of course the dating scene in the UK is going to be more difficult. It can be easier in the FSU, but unless the woman you are dating is a widow, or divorced because of her husband's drinking, chances are, the FSUW you find acceptable, you could reject in the UK. You just don't recognize the red flags.
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Trust issues....divorced in UK due to wife playing away....next 3 year relationship that got to the brink of her and her kids moving in until I realised I was being 2 timed ... a few fsu relationships and then the last one where a sugar daddy was paying for everything . Yeah I have trust issues where my financial future is involved you can't give half away too many times before you have nothing.
Financial issues aside, being cheated on would be a blow to any man's ego and self-worth. It's obvious in your trust issues that it's hit more than just your wallet. then again, you seem to have a habit of selecting the wrong 'sort' of girl.
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Msmob you old timer an ex spurt. Trench and I are the the young guns were out there in the frontline . Youre back at Whitehall sipping g and t and reminiscing. Trench may have some slightly different thought patterns but often he s not far off the mark. He might not be politically correct in his speech but he certainly reflects the Minsk and Ukraine I recognise and the UK dating and marriage scene. Those who live in ivory towers eventually get the doors kicked in because they overlooked the obvious.
Sorry, but you and Trench are hardly experts in dating, be it in the UK or FSU.
The simple fact is you find it easier to get laid in Ukraine than in the UK. I'm not disagreeing that this specific element is accurate, but you make some wrong assumptions about UK and FSU women and dating simply because of that fact alone.
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I don't think Trench is on the mark very often, at least not in terms of motivations of women or Ukrainian culture. He funded his first UW's trip to Cyprus, bought her clothing, then complained about it for six months.
Both you and Trench are middle aged, so of course the dating scene in the UK is going to be more difficult. It can be easier in the FSU, but unless the woman you are dating is a widow, or divorced because of her husband's drinking, chances are, the FSUW you find acceptable, you could reject in the UK. You just don't recognize the red flags.
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It was hard trying to date when I was young in the UK, lol. So being early middle aged doesn't make a lot of difference. Most of the girls I was interested in when I was young had many other options and went for them being more sociable, etc. In fairness I didn't pursue the attentions of a few girls I was not interested in as I felt it disengenious to do so, if my heart was not in it only theirs then I saw no point in dishonesty.
It is true that on the UK I would feel out of sorts chasing a girl as young as I might in the FSU. Though some younger girls I still attract attention of. I'm not particularly old looking for a guy of 40, soon to be 41 - you can wish me happy birthday later ;D Now I don't kid myself that I look real young but some old boy in the supermarket had to do a double take of me today to check I wasn't underage, lol. Still the same problems plague me, take a check put girl I see in my local DIY store. She seems to have some attraction to me, she is probably around her mid twenties. I would say she is about a 7, by no means a model, attractive enough but would not attract undue attention for her looks. Well I walked into the DIY store a few weeks back and there she was talking about 'going to a nightclub' with her work colleagues including friends she knows. Now of course I have gone to a fair few nightclubs in the past but it's not really my scene, in short I don't fit in massively.
So I don't fit in then and I don't now, socialising is not my thing. I can do alright one to one but more group stuff not so well. I basically know in social situations as outlined here I would do sh*t. In the FSU like James I seem to fit in and I don't think it's just the foreign/money element. I've been to a nightclub in Kiev and it's a whole different scene and vibe, less socialising more anyone just join in where they like. For some reason in the UK girls love to subject you to the social test of some party event with friends and I'm sick of it. Now I know I've been a bit off in some of the women I've dated in the FSU but I really do still think my chances are better than in the UK. Different realities are present and while these may dissolve on importing a girl to thd west I still think I can give myself a sufficient head start with the right girl handled correctly to make it work.
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Don't kid yourself. The only reason your chances are better is because you have a foreign passport. Tell girls there you don't make a UK living wage and see how willing they are to date you.
No matter how much you believe you "fit in", you don't. Your mentality is not Ukrainian, and never will be. That's not a bad thing - my mentality isn't Ukrainian either, and never will be. But I do understand the cultural references, and those I didn't (because diaspora Ukrainians and FSU Ukrainians are different), I could have explained to me.
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Again I am LOL. You, as a foreigner, are a source of income in Ukraine. Ukrainians are not "soft". They can be helpful to you, they know how to party, but their lives are filled with small indignities and a lot of brutality. They are far "harder", both men and women, than most Westerners.
My experience - living in Ukraine, visiting frequently.
This is a projection of what you wish to see. Yes, there are decent people there, but overall, the environment shapes their mentality, and they have to survive because they live in a pretty brutal reality. They will have no problems lying to you if it benefits them, and that includes relatives.
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I think I know what Boethius means. I don't think she is wrong in a lot of what she says. I don't think she would hold such views over a long period of time if there wasn't a lot of truth in what she days. It's all about seeing it from a certain angle.
In the UK there are council estates & housing association estates - basically social housing for working class people that would have existed in the slums before social housing existed. I consider myself as working class but more of the skilled working class background and lower scale private housing. Now if we consider the FSU as one big council estate as created under the Soviet Union with nearly all social housing and those of the working class slum background we get an idea of what Boethius means. In the UK those on council estates are not all bad but you have to be on your guard with them. Many will happily do you over no matter what for the chance if a quick gain. The same is true of the FSU, some good people can be found and it's not all aggressiveness but stray across the wrong sorghum and they will play you, con you & take you for a ride. Not all, so & so's family may be very nice but if you encounter what I call scroates in the UK (riff raff, fibbers, etc) they will almost certainly be trouble. In the UK I can spot them usually easy enough in the FSU (gopniks there is it) it is harder the less familiar I am with the culture.
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No, that’s not a valid comparison.
The UK was never a society in which informants ran the system, or in modern times, where fealty to the state determined your career and social standing. The UK didn’t starve millions of its citizens to death because they belonged to the wrong ethnicity or didn’t wish to be told how they must live.
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No, that’s not a valid comparison.
The UK was never a society in which informants ran the system, or in modern times, where fealty to the state determined your career and social standing. The UK didn’t starve millions of its citizens to death because they belonged to the wrong ethnicity or didn’t wish to be told how they must live.
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There will be differences as it's a different society several thousand miles apart.
Some of what you say to varying degrees and with a different slant is true in the UK. There was no starvation but on council estates more than other strata of society people will stab you in the back as a means to advance themselves. Not all will and other strata of society do it also but it is far more common there. Other strata in UK society don't tend to do it as much as the higher you go up the more important connections become. You act underhand to one connection and the whole lot may abandon you. Plus the connections exist to elevate each other so it would not be a goid idea to turn on each other. In the UK there is still what is called 'the establishment' basically the higher strata of society with connections. These people/families have held themselves in power for generations. The different generations take up different positions over time but they all remain wealthy and with influence to get what they want. They go to the posh public (private) schools, live in the same neighbourhoods and socialise in the same circles. Think of the crowd that buy and read Tatler magazine, I never had, lol. The Monarchy is part and parcel of the establishment.
So in the UK it may be more concealed but unless you are particularly extraordinary, talented or just plain lucky most are still largely confined to their social strata and likewise jobs/careers doesn't matter what qualifications you have. Yes it was different in the FSU the way you describe in a somewhat worse sense. The situation remains though that most girls these days will have only grown up or recall growing up post USSR and their reality will be closer to council estate Britain.
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How many men on council estates had suitcases packed and always standing ready, in case a black Chaika came in the middle of the night to take them away? How many people on council estates had to list for the government all their relatives living abroad? How many people from council estates had government deciding whether they would go to school, and where? How many people on council estates lived in barracks, usually for years, until a home was built for them? How many people from council estates required government permission to move to another town or city?
To suggest there are similarities just proves you don’t understand FSU society at all.
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Trench you have never had to fear the state unless you were a radical extremist. Even normal 30 year old Belarus and Ukrainians are still wary of the state. To use msmobs example I have a 18 year old son who is happy with UK women and a 17 year old son who wants to date fsu having dated UK. And a 13 year old son who will tell you that my f s u girlfriends have been kind to him where as my UK girlfriends tried to push him out the way.
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People will do you over what ever walk of life you come from it's not called the rat race for nothing. Big business is no different .
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The UK didn’t starve millions of its citizens to death because they belonged to the wrong ethnicity or didn’t wish to be told how they must live.
Hi Boethius
Irish kids are taught that the British DID starve the indigenous population of the island
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland) (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Great_Famine_(Ireland))
But otherwise your point re differences was well-made by our resident 'historian'...
If he has such a degree - it proves my long held belief that history is about having an opinion based on dodgy facts / opinions of others - with agendas and one picks the stance one wishes ;(
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Trench you have never had to fear the state unless you were a radical extremist. Even normal 30 year old Belarus and Ukrainians are still wary of the state. To use msmobs example I have a 18 year old son who is happy with UK women and a 17 year old son who wants to date fsu having dated UK. And a 13 year old son who will tell you that my f s u girlfriends have been kind to him where as my UK girlfriends tried to push him out the way.
LOL. How many girls has your 17 year old son dated to come to this definitive conclusion while still wet behind the ears? My son's first girlfriend (at age 15) dumped him, breaking his heart. I, OTOH, couldn't see the back of her head fast enough. I expressed my concern about her character to the better half when they first got together, and he said "Why are you concerned? They're 15. They'll be broken up in 3 months." Sure enough, they were. He's had 3 or 4 girlfriends since, break ups either commonly decided or he dumped them. Now, he's on his own, and he's very much like his father, so his personal life is his, none of my business.
My husband has told him (and his brother) to avoid FSUW at all costs.
As for the FSUW who are kind to your son, of course they are. They aren't stupid. I know a man in Ukraine who was dating a woman with a child. He had custody of his two children. She was wonderful to them in front of him. After they married, she remained wonderful when he was in sight or earshot, but when he was at work, she used to lock his children in a barn (they lived on a dacha just outside Kyiv), and didn't feed them, while her child ate well and ran around freely. When they told their father this, he didn't believe his children. Then, one day, he came home at noon, and his children were locked up. So he divorced her. He lived with another woman who was equally horrible to his children, but didn't marry her, and dumped her as well. He ended up marrying a coworker who'd never been married when his children were grown. She has always been wonderful to his children, and they now have a child together.
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My 17 who is now nearly 2 meters tall now has been living the life of a man since 14. One of the bad effects of broken families. As has his elder brother since 15.
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But he's not a man.
It's funny how some men here extol the virtues of FSUW and their devotion to "family', while failing to walk the talk. (This is a general comment, not directed at any one poster, despite the juxtaposition).
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Boethius another cold shower from you. So what's your wife hunting advice please
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If you know how to stop young men following nature please advise me.
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Boethius another cold shower from you. So what's your wife hunting advice please
1. Stay out of Ukraine. Although all the Slavic republics of the FSU are culturally similar, Ukraine is destroyed financially, run by a government that doesn't care about the life or death of its citizens, and many (not all, but many) are individuals who can't make it there, or get to the West on their own merits. Separating the wheat from the chaff can be done, but it requires time and a wisdom that relatively few here possess.
2. Look at who her family is. If her family were party members, she can be a good wife, but there is often a duplicity, or unreasonable expectations.
As I posted in the past, and will repeat, the better half meets a lot of FSU individuals, probably because he's out and about a lot (fishing, mostly, as lots of people walk or have picnics beside our river). The first thing he's asked by FSU individuals when he tells them they can speak Ukrainian/Polish/Russian/Serbo-Croation/Czech, etc., to him is whether he is from "here" or "there". He said he realized, once he started saying "here", that this was because they would lie to him - things he, as a FSU citizen, knew were outright lies, and they wanted to know whether these lies would fly.
3. Register at a site that is not geared to FSU meeting WM, but rather, FSUM. Some women will reject you outright, but others won't.
4. Stay fairly close within your age range. As I assume you are around 45 or so, 35 and up - the older you get, the bigger the gap (it stays static at 35).
The better half's advice is to use your heart, not other organs in your search. But, he's the world's last romantic. :P
If you know how to stop young men following nature please advise me.
I'm not referring to dating/sleeping with girls. 17 year olds are not exactly mature in all aspects of life, and need direction. IMHO, most men don't grow up until age 25 or 30. It's tough, because they don't want your advice, but you need to be there to guide them. One of our sons always listened to his father's advice. The other needs to learn things in his own way, but I still watch out for him.
Coming from a broken home, they need you more than do children from intact homes.
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but Bochik’,
these are ACTUALLY the reasons to GO to Ukraine!!!
the majority of the people in Ukraine don’t posses either the job or language skills or have the financial resources to make it to the west on their own
poor and uneducated, geographically isolated, poor...
but also young and beautiful....
I frankly can’t imagine a more fertile hunting ground than this...
the ONLY thing I find baffling about these threads is how guys manage to fail in Ukraine...
I seriously DO NOT understand how someone fails in Ukraine...
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but Bochik’,
these are ACTUALLY the reasons to GO to Ukraine!!!
the majority of the people in Ukraine don’t posses either the job or language skills or have the financial resources to make it to the west on their own
poor and uneducated, geographically isolated, poor...
but also young and beautiful....
I frankly can’t imagine a more fertile hunting ground than this...
the ONLY thing I find baffling about these threads is how guys manage to fail in Ukraine...
I seriously DO NOT understand how someone fails in Ukraine...
I don't think Ukrainians are uneducated. The better half says many are "obscure", but that doesn't necessarily mean uneducated.
Why would you want to go to a country to find someone who is using you as a passport?
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please allow me to “deconstruct” the FSUW and their devotion to "family' myth...
it is stated incorrectly, here’s the truth...
in the lower strata of Russian society, mothers train their young daughters to be their domestic servants, and the girls grow up conditioned to be obsessive compulsive about cooking and cleaning... that’s it, no devotion to family, just cooking and cleaning...
ok...
Bochick’
in a global economy you better have a global education
or it’s the same as having none at all
good for you that you can recite all of Taras’s poetry
but don’t how to write a weekly progress report correctly
“Why would you want to go to a country to find someone who is using you as a passport? “
it’s called “quid pro quo”
and it’s a pretty sweet deal (at least for me)
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The rate of divorce in FSUW/WM marriages is as high as Western or FSU marriages. So, marrying someone because she must "rely" on you is no guarantee she will stay with you.
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frankly, I could spend a lot of time “waxing nostalgic” over the merits of Ukrainian agricultural villages, with their tiny 2 room shacks...
if any of these villagers have young daughters, they’ll be out in the garden sweating away in the hot sun digging up kartoshkie, etc.
strong robust, hardy farm girls...
hmmmm......
photo provided of course...
"So, marrying someone because she must "rely" on you is no guarantee she will stay with you."
human relationships don't come with warranties or guarantees
a relationship is like a plant, give it the right nutrients and it thrives
otherwise it withers and dies
just like this, a relationship thrives or it doesn't
my one and only marriage to a Ukrainian village girl
going on 20 yr now, and I couldn't be any happier with the choices I made!
I have provided her with plenty of nutrients
and have reaped a full harvest...
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1. Stay out of Ukraine.
2. Look at who her family is.
3. Register at a site that is not geared to FSU meeting WM, but rather, FSUM.
4. Stay fairly close within your age range.
The better half's advice is to use your heart, not other organs in your search.
Agree with this except #3. Online dating sucks, meet women in country instead.
Krimster has a point if you want to "go shopping". Ukraine's economy has basically collapsed and never recovered since the fall of the USSR. But I think there are better places.
(http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-W-mqZQfKH_0/UG_rmYZJl3I/AAAAAAAADws/EAwygTWU2mc/s1600/image012.gif)
(http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9a/GDP_PPP_per_capita_CIS.svg)
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I inadvertently watched this link (I'm on DC mailing list) and couldn't help but cringe at it and found it uncomfortable viewing. Apologies if that offends anyone, or if Keith comes here - it's only my opinion and no disrespect intended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFWT-5UlOLQ&t=2s
Still, it shows there is hope yet for Trench!
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I inadvertently watched this link (I'm on DC mailing list) and couldn't help but cringe at it and found it uncomfortable viewing. Apologies if that offends anyone, of if Keith comes here - it's only my opinion and no disrespect intended.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DFWT-5UlOLQ&t=2s
Still, it shows there is hope yet for Trench!
These types of matches are far more prevalent than many would honestly admit. Hell, I’m likely the ugliest mofo that ever stepped off the FSU tarmac. The MOB in recent past till today was designed for these types of union. Ukraine is currently one of the center of this universe because of its current economy. I won’t be surprised to learn the guy in the video is at least a second dipper. At least. They’ll give you a reason it is because FSUWs are just the bomb! It doesn't matter how badly they got snookered by the previous one, they'll come back again and again because, well the 'real' truth is - it is their only means for companionship. Temporary as that may be for the vast majority.
Yes, TC have a better than a good chance landing a Ukrainian babe.
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Move over Jason Stratham.....keith my new role model.....another reason to regret last nights mcdonalds
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Trench has been quiet for a few days... :-X
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maybe we should ask trench out for a pint. msmob would probably spend the evening correcting us.
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Hell, I’m likely the ugliest mofo that ever stepped off the FSU tarmac.
Surely not? Of course not as handsome as the Brad Pitt lookalike in this video, but I'm sure you're ahead of many here, hehe
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my claim to fame some friends took brad pitt to the same pub in uk for a week , he wore a hat , no one noticed him ,
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maybe we should ask trench out for a pint. msmob would probably spend the evening correcting us.
Trench never leaves his basement......
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Trench never leaves his basement......
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I'm telling you guys, man. TC is one good sexy but manipulative woman away from ridding all that garbage from between his ears that he spews on the forum from time to time.
Man can change the world in a lifetime, but a sexy woman changes a man in a hot second.
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I'm telling you guys, man. TC is one good sexy but manipulative woman away from ridding all that garbage from between his ears that he spews on the forum from time to time.
From time to time?
He never stops.
Man can change the world in a lifetime, but a sexy woman changes a man in a hot second.
For Trench, make that a millisecond.
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Agree with this except #3. Online dating sucks, meet women in country instead.
It's just a method of finding someone you may be interested in. Meeting in country takes time.
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I've seen much more of a disparity when I was in Ukraine, 60 yr olds married to 20 yr olds (i know of several)
guys who barely resembled something Homo Sapiens related walking off with arm candy
my nick name for Ukraine used to be "opposite land"
that was exactly my perception coming from Silicon Valley, where I was just another engineer in the largest herd of engineers in the world!
we also had the lowest female/male ratio in the USA
sucked dating there!
believe it or not a woman there made me get a medical certificate before she would have sex with me!
and believe it or not, I gave it to her (talk about desperate!)
then, there I was in Ukraine and my world was turned upside down!!!
so all you guys on this board who failed in Ukraine
take a look at KEITH!!!!!!!
now you see why I'm laughing at you BOYS!
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Ukraine was definitely not "opposite land" in Soviet times. Finding even a five year age difference between couples was rare. There were exceptions - Antonov, for example, always had a young blonde bimbo wife, but after the fifth? sixth? seventh? wife (can't recall), the party forbade him to marry. Party officials discreetly had mistresses, but they didn't normally marry significantly younger women, as it affected their political careers.
I think this arose when the economy collapsed. I know a lot of "Soviet power couples' who divorced on the collapse, because one of the spouses was no longer useful to the other. That's when this occurred, and the couples you are seeing typically are not "love matches".
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"Ukraine was definitely not "opposite land" in Soviet times. "
that's for sure!!!!
I met Raisa Gorbachov in 1992!!!
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The point is, no matter how much you guys wish to claim that young UW have no hang ups about age, and really desire men 10, 15, 20 or more years older than they are, this is not the case. I'm not suggesting they can't be happy in such relationships, just that they don't naturally seek them out. Just like their Western counterparts.
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mister "right now"
can be more appealing than mister "right"
when you're a broke single mom and your child doesn't have warm clothing
at my age, if I were single, this'd probably be my current demographic
in a Ukrainian city of 400,000+ and exploring satellite village as well
look for communities of chic, rustic shacks, find out where local store is, go park there and wait patiently
they will come....
hmmm delicious....
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But I get the impression James doesn't want to be "Mr. Right Now". He has been "Mr. Right Now", and it didn't end particularly well for him, according to him.
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you can't always get what you want
But if you try sometimes you might find
You get what you need
slovo tvoyey mamichka
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I genuinely feel I'm in no way predatory I'm just a guy who lived a family life that evaporated . The largest age gap I've dated is 14 years. Yesterday I asked my 17 and 13 year old sons and they confirmed how much more pleasant it was to holiday with Belarussians and the many other fsu nations you meet at hotels than British people. The problem is ive dated 2 women within my friendship group in minsk so its now down to internet in the Ukraine where ive got a date as soon as my tax is done.
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I asked my 17 and 13 year old sons and they confirmed how much more pleasant it was to holiday with Belarussians and the many other fsu nations you meet at hotels than British people.
That's more a commentary on British travelers. :P
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"Ukraine was definitely not "opposite land" in Soviet times. "
that's for sure!!!!
I met Raisa Gorbachov in 1992!!!
I met her before you ;)
Dec 1987 - Brize Norton, UK
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So you pulled guard house for bad behaviour again. Hope you saluted nicely.
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So you pulled guard house for bad behaviour again. Hope you saluted nicely.
I wasn't in the Forces ... I had a biz that fronted right onto the runway
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That's what I mean when I say on this forum if you take a girl back from the FSU who is an 8-10 she isn't going to last long. People say I'm paranoid but the truth is unless you're on your guard loads of guys will be hitting on her. That's going to be difficult for a girl not to get carried away by her new found glory. Even a 5-7 may be subject to play away 'once they realise their worth in the UK'. As you yourself know James being a UK guy even a minger of a girl has options here lol. Hence why if I had around £1k a month independent income or could earn remotely I would consider living in the FSU.
That is of course once she realises her worth here, play it right and that could take a while. Either that or be lucky enough to get a girl that will remain loyal if only for a more comfortable lifestyle.
TC, again in my opinion this type of mentality crushes your chances.
If you met a woman, whom had the fundamental mentality that if she married you, that you would cheat on her as soon as you had any perceived *better* or equal opportunity, do you not think it would color the entire meeting or following dates fir both her an ex yourself?(as there would be no way for you to not notice her thought process in many small ways)
Would you even be slightly interested in her,or anyone so insecure?
If you think this way, then that IS how you are presenting yourself to women, whether you think your hide it or not.
My wife (and i)have been through all kinds of life events through our marriage.
Highs and lows, having a child, Serious injury or health issue requiring hospitalization(both of us) loss of a parent,(both of us), unexpected passing of an entire close family, career highs or both income, recognotion and opportunities , to complete dramatic loss of career and subsequent change of careers(both of us), and my current work requiring a great deal of time away from home.
Neither one of us have concerns about the other bring hit on, or 'fielding options'.
Our relationship is stronger now than ever.
While I certainly dont deserve it,my wife adores me. I know this from everything she does every day in our lives, the mentality she encourages in our daughter, and that she also tells me she does, often ,and sincerely means it.
Relationships can evolve or grow stagnant,
anything can happen if course!
but I can assure you that you need to have the capacity to really trust someone, (which means taking that risk to be hurt) or you will be very unlikely to find a woman that truly adores you.
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I'm telling you guys, man. TC is one good sexy but manipulative woman away from ridding all that garbage from between his ears that he spews on the forum from time to time.
Man can change the world in a lifetime, but a sexy woman changes a man in a hot second.
LOL!
Good point, and I hope so!
I give him full credit for getting out of his comfort zone and out into life, even if its the murky waters of mob.
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TC, again in my opinion this type of mentality crushes your chances.
Agree 100%.
Interesting thread, and somehow we are talking about Trench instead of James2. Maybe some of my response will benefit James2.
Old saying - "a scared man can not gamble." Trench - take a hard look at Jumper and GQ and their sagas with FSUW. Both gush with an important quality that women adore - confidence. I assert neither of them entered this venture with a fear of failure.
Confidence in a man gives women a feeling of comfort, success and certainty With a measure of intellect, confidence promotes direct, intriguing conversations with a woman, perhaps charming her and even prompting a laugh. I. e., dating is fun and can progress to something bigger.
Trench, if you are fearing failure, you will inevitably fail. And probably bore if not exhaust an otherwise interesting good woman along the way.
BTW, GQ and Jumper are not perfect. None of us are perfect. They likely experienced some failures in life. I wager each time they landed on their feet, resolved it, and bounced back as strong as ever.
As Jumper said, "mentality." I do not believe confidence is something you are born with. So work on it.
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GQ ............too funny !!!!
Jumper.......great comments.....as usual.
Gator.......great comments and..........welcome neighbor! The wife and I just moved to Englewood, Florida (permanently) about four months ago. I know this is off-topic......but I don't know where to begin........discussing TC's attitude towards this MOB adventure.My main observation is for him to do something else. His attitude has him already six feet under......with no ladder to get out. To worry about "cheating and such".......before even meeting someone "first"......demonstrates a huge lack of self-confidence. My wife is a beautiful woman who has been "hit-on). Even she can't stop such a thing from happening. But she can (and has).....shut it down. We can't always control the actions of other people.....but we can control our reaction to the situation. TC's lack of confidence is not a problem that has to do with beautiful FSUW's..........but with women in general (even AW's). Self-confidence needs to be worked on and obtained before any dating.......anywhere.....is practiced. Sorry for being off-topic.......what was the question?
Capt B
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Capt B. Just like FSU women have a different mindset to WW, UK men have a different mind mindset to USA. UK men live in a feminist dominated society where women are prioritised in careers, jobs, divorce settlements and law we have no pre nuptial agreements and you can be charged with assault for shouting or making some one frightened. USA still has Christian law , UK has a mixture of muslim and Christian law. Men are being beaten into the ground by society hence we seek wives from the FSU and hope they stay true to their former cultures than the complete cultural mess of the UK.
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Utter Twaddle
Stop making excuses ... You might share this viewpoint with Trench, perhaps
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Capt B. Just like FSU women have a different mindset to WW, UK men have a different mind mindset to USA. UK men live in a feminist dominated society where women are prioritised in careers, jobs, divorce settlements and law we have no pre nuptial agreements and you can be charged with assault for shouting or making some one frightened. USA still has Christian law , UK has a mixture of muslim and Christian law. Men are being beaten into the ground by society hence we seek wives from the FSU and hope they stay true to their former cultures than the complete cultural mess of the UK.
Jamesukjames has morphed into Trenchcoat. 😂😂
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why is it always "society's fault" and never your own?
the world is what it is, it's up to you to adapt to it, and not the other way around...
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Just like FSU women have a different mindset to WW, UK men have a different mind mindset to USA. UK men live in a feminist dominated society where women are prioritised in careers, jobs, divorce settlements and law we have no pre nuptial agreements and you can be charged with assault for shouting or making some one frightened. USA still has Christian law , UK has a mixture of muslim and Christian law. Men are being beaten into the ground by society hence we seek wives from the FSU and hope they stay true to their former cultures than the complete cultural mess of the UK.
So how do you account for the fact that the vast majority of UK men marry UK women? Or that the vast majority of those UK men stay married to their UK wives?
I don't know about the UK, but I do know that in most of North America, men who go to the FSU to find a wife are derided as "losers", "abusers", etc. That may not be fair, but it's a common perception.
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oh fiddle faddle
I’ll turn you over my knee
and you give you “a paddle”
for telling such a story, “loser/abuser” ???
why not add bomb defuser, excessive snoozer,
I must stand up to the accuser
while the truth pursues her
to the rest of ya I say please excuse her
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I know this is off-topic......but I don't know where to begin........discussing TC's attitude towards this MOB adventure.My main observation is for him to do something else. His attitude has him already six feet under......with no ladder to get out. To worry about "cheating and such".......before even meeting someone "first"......demonstrates a huge lack of self-confidence. My wife is a beautiful woman who has been "hit-on). Even she can't stop such a thing from happening. But she can (and has).....shut it down. We can't always control the actions of other people.....but we can control our reaction to the situation. TC's lack of confidence is not a problem that has to do with beautiful FSUW's..........but with women in general (even AW's). Self-confidence needs to be worked on and obtained before any dating.......anywhere.....is practiced. Sorry for being off-topic.......what was the question?
WOW it is amazing how bullies run in packs and love to pile on.
Not surprising where their children pick up such behaviors.
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Gator................welcome neighbor! The wife and I just moved to Englewood, Florida (permanently) about four months ago.
Yes, you are a neighbor, about two hours away. Wifey and I take the occasional day trip that direction, a great opportunity to get together.
You are near some fantastic fishing. This March and April, I suggest you try some flats fishing for snook and redfish. Anyone named "Capt" should have his own boat; if you don't, there should be many flats charters advertised in the Boca Grande and Placida areas, who fish Charlotte Harbor. For more sport (but not fish to eat, try the Tarpon when the water temp rises).
Hoping the Red Tide does not return!
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USA still has Christian law ,
What, pray tell, is "Christian Law?" Sounds like an actor.
Men are being beaten into the ground by society hence we seek wives from the FSU and hope they stay true to their former cultures than the complete cultural mess of the UK.
James, not to pile on here, but you have no idea what "staying true to their former culture" means. People in the FSU are street-smart survivors because they have to be. From one end of that country to the other, I was told in a friendly way how "naive" they thought Westerners and especially Americans are. A common attitude in the FSU is, if I can scam you, it was really your fault because you weren't clever enough to prevent it.
There are wonderful women over there (like anywhere) and there are others who will happily relieve you of every penny and grind you into pelmeni to serve as zakuska at their next dinner party. Because of your naive attitude and unwillingness to learn from others, you'll never know the difference until you finally learn the hard way. :wallbash:
So all I can say is Nostrovia!
~CG
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why is it always "society's fault" and never your own?
the world is what it is, it's up to you to adapt to it, and not the other way around...
In the UK a girl wanting a guy is like shooting apples in a barrel - easy life for them. From what you say Krimster it's much the same/probably even more so where you are from.
Its true though not everyone realises it is their environment they can change it may not be them. We are brought up with the saying 'You can't expect the world to change for you its you that have to change'. Truth is though this isn't quite true, we can change the world/environment around us by moving to a different environment that suits us better.
In the UK we are brought up to accept what the situation is and what is on hand. The default state of mind for most guys is to 'pick from that' as it is on hand. Only in more recent years has it gathered pace a little that guys will look abroad. Hell, I even know of a Polish guy that dates an English girl even though the relationship is not great, full of arguments etc. It's simply because it's on hand rather than him trying back in Poland.
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So how do you account for the fact that the vast majority of UK men marry UK women? Or that the vast majority of those UK men stay married to their UK wives?
I don't know about the UK, but I do know that in most of North America, men who go to the FSU to find a wife are derided as "losers", "abusers", etc. That may not be fair, but it's a common perception.
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As I put to Krimster it's generally because that's what's on hand. We take what is put in front of us and are told 'that's all there is' so just accept it. Many guys will just settle for any sort of half reasonable proposition. It's a buyers market here for what women looking for men so making it the men that have to sell/market themselves.
In the FSU it's the opposite way around or at least not nearly so as disadvanteous to the men.
Most UK guys will try to stick with their UK girls especially if kids are involved it's just a pain for then otherwise. Even still broken families are becoming a more and more common phenomenon. Disfunctional situations and mental health issues are becoming quite problematic.
A couple of decades ago UK guys would probably have be seen as 'losers' simply due to there being consternation as to why a guy should need to go that far to deliberately try and find a woman. Also not as many guys were openly known as looking over their back then. Now a days though with all the other issues in society it's tends to be seen on more neutral terms. I don't think people judge as much as they used to. In general I get the impression in the US depending on where you are perhaps some people judge more. Personally I wouldn't care what people think - as I would know I am happy with what I am doing so to hell with what anyone else thinks. In fact if anyone took issue I would be glad of the opportunity to show how preferable my situation is and take joy in it :)
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People in the FSU are street-smart survivors because they have to be. From one end of that country to the other, I was told in a friendly way how "naive" they thought Westerners and especially Americans are. A common attitude in the FSU is, if I can scam you, it was really your fault because you weren't clever enough to prevent it.
I think there are more appropriate adjectives to describe the FSU folks and their attitudes that you discuss above.
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I don't know about the UK, but I do know that in most of North America, men who go to the FSU to find a wife are derided as "losers", "abusers", etc. That may not be fair, but it's a common perception.
This is not my experience. Perhaps it is because my social circles tend to be offbeat, and I avoid negative, derogatory people, especially those who are judgmental about personal decisions. Life is too precious to waste with small-minded people.
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You may not know what people say behind your back. I’ve had the same said about me, notwithstanding my husband and I are approximately the same age, about equally matched look wise, and I married young with little education and no money. Of course, a lot of those stories made their way back to me, or him.
As to krimster, my point was not about veracity, just general societal perceptions.
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I don't know about the UK, but I do know that in most of North America, men who go to the FSU to find a wife are derided as "losers", "abusers", etc. That may not be fair, but it's a common perception.
I think this is probably true.
However I think there can be a lot of variation from individual to individual based on how the man goes about it and how much he tells.
For instance, if the man has complained to family and friends for many years about his lack of success in finding the 'right' gal in his home country . . . then quite likely that family and friends will consider him a loser who must resort to such strange undertakings.
Others may be famous for having large numbers of local women friends, so their family and friends will have a different attitude toward their foreign endeavors.
There are others, such as myself, who fall into neither of the above categories and are known to travel to many countries for business, etc., . . . so it is not viewed at all strange or surprising that they should end up with a foreign gal.
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I think there are more appropriate adjectives to describe the FSU folks and their attitudes that you discuss above.
I'm not suggesting that's the attitude of everyone in the FSU, but it's by no means inappropriate.
For those who are scammers (which is endemic, particularly when it comes to WM seeking FSU women), the "if I can scam you, then it's really your fault" is definitely a common attitude.
It's admittedly been a few years since I've visited the FSU, but I doubt this one has changed.
~CG
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So how do you account for the fact that the vast majority of UK men marry UK women? Or that the vast majority of those UK men stay married to their UK wives?
I don't know about the UK, but I do know that in most of North America, men who go to the FSU to find a wife are derided as "losers", "abusers", etc. That may not be fair, but it's a common perception.
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Why do so many American guys marry fat American women, or girls of low standards?
Convenience. The girls are easy, or easier than looking abroad. The guys get what they are looking for (at least in the short term) with a minimum of personal effort. I've heard it said (and I don't disagree) that for many men, their idea of a relationship/marriage is a one night stand that happens with the same woman every night, and their emotional involvement is about equivalent to what one would expect with a one night stand.
If men are stereotyped as losers and abusers, how are FSU women stereotyped by their cultures? (In the US, they are often viewed as gold-diggers, or girls looking for a meal ticket.) I read once that it was estimated that 70% of men in the MOB search have a mental illness of some kind, and something like 40% of the women do. That's not a very heartening prospect.
I think some men are losers or abusers who search for FSU women. I've met a few that have married FSU women, and I would consider some to be very low desirability type guys...these guys would have a difficult time getting plain or heavyset girls at church.
I think some guys pursue FSU women because they have wealth, and they want a beautiful FSU wife as a trophy or status symbol, no different than buying a fancy foreign car.
I think some guys have had painful or bad experiences with American women, and begin to idealize that foreign women will have certain qualities they are looking for.
I have heard it said that men are looking for a nurse, a purse, or a plaything. Because of the economic disparity between countries, I think we can eliminate purse from why American men pursue FSU girls, but I don't discount nurse or plaything as a reason many men look there.
And I think some men search overseas because the internet makes it easy and convenient to look for women who have traits the men are looking for, especially if the man is looking for physical traits. In the US, from my experience, it is rather difficult to find women past the age of 30 who have never been married, have no kids, and are physically fit who are remotely what someone would consider marriage material. (The same may be true of FSU women, but it is easy to only promote our good points online, and hide the bad points, which often results in people idealizing the other.) It often seems that the good ones are gone by age 30.
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What, pray tell, is "Christian Law?" Sounds like an actor.
~CG
Christian law usually refers to laws with Judeo-Christian values.
Strong property rights.
Individual accountability.
Do unto others as you would have done unto you, and do not as you would not have done unto you.
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You may not know what people say behind your back.
So what! For small-minded, negative things said behind my back, my Give-a-Shit meter reads "zero."
For sure it does not affect my happiness. My life is not defined by where my wife lived 8 years ago. People who speak this way usually have their own set of difficult issues.
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
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Not really certain what your point is. I never mentioned happiness, just general perceptions in society.
Oscar Wilde was a notorious gossip. So was Voltaire. I guess Eleanor Roosevelt wasn’t a fan of either.
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BeeFarmer, "Christian law" may be a colloquial term, but a Google search turns up nothing except religious and biblical references.
And thanks to the poster who PM'd the following: "Your last post, on taking advantage of foreigners is spot on. There is generally no shame in this in Ukraine. They apply the word "хитрість" to this - loosely translated to "slyness", but meaning more."
Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
Absolutely true and one of my favorite quotes.
~CG
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You may not know what people say behind your back. I’ve had the same said about me, notwithstanding my husband and I are approximately the same age, about equally matched look wise, and I married young with little education and no money. Of course, a lot of those stories made their way back to me, or him.
As to krimster, my point was not about veracity, just general societal perceptions.
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I think the above may or may not occur depending on your social circles and your relationship pattern.
My friends are from Malaysia, Singapore, Puerto Rico, Vietnam, and exotic Alabama. I've dated a French Canadian girl originally from New Zealand, a Venezuelan girl in France, and a Greek woman who broke things off to focus on yoga in the Berkshires (Massachusetts). The wildest and most unusual girlfriend I had was from Kentucky.
T is one of the most normal relationships I've had.
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The wildest and most unusual girlfriend I had was from Kentucky.
Bourbon says it all.
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Quote from: ML on Today at 06:59:34 PM
I think there are more appropriate adjectives to describe the FSU folks and their attitudes that you discuss above.
I'm not suggesting that's the attitude of everyone in the FSU, but it's by no means inappropriate.
For those who are scammers (which is endemic, particularly when it comes to WM seeking FSU women), the "if I can scam you, then it's really your fault" is definitely a common attitude.
It's admittedly been a few years since I've visited the FSU, but I doubt this one has changed.
Let me clarify. I agree with your assessment of many FSU folks regarding if they cheat you, it is your fault.
So you should have used more 'nasty' adjectives to describe them.
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In the UK a girl wanting a guy is like shooting apples in a barrel - easy life for them.
Trench,
You and James are - once again - portraying a scenario I do not recognise - both as a male who spend his teenage years to his v.early 40's in the UK and having two daughters who - thankfully - look more like their Ma than me...
In your case - particularly - you come across as a misogynist ...with crack-pot ideas as to courtship
In the UK we are brought up to accept what the situation is and what is on hand.
it's generally because that's what's on hand. We take what is put in front of us and are told 'that's all there is' so just accept it.
:ROFL: More generalised twaddle ... I was 'taught' no such thing - no-one taught me how to date...
I even know of a Polish guy that dates an English girl even though the relationship is not great, full of arguments etc. It's simply because it's on hand rather than him trying back in Poland.
Lol, There are approx 500k Polish women to choose from in the UK ....IF that was he reasoning - which I seriously doubt ....
Most UK guys will try to stick with their UK girls especially if kids are involved it's just a pain for then otherwise. .
UTTER Twaddle
Two questions:
1/ What is the UK divorce rate ?
2/ How many of those divorces involve children ?
'Thank you' ..
A couple of decades ago UK guys would probably have be seen as 'losers' simply due to there being consternation as to why a guy should need to go that far to deliberately try and find a woman. Also not as many guys were openly known as looking over their back then. Now a days though with all the other issues in society it's tends to be seen on more neutral terms. I don't think people judge as much as they used to. In general I get the impression in the US depending on where you are perhaps some people judge more. Personally I wouldn't care what people think - as I would know I am happy with what I am doing so to hell with what anyone else thinks. In fact if anyone took issue I would be glad of the opportunity to show how preferable my situation is and take joy in it :)
There is no basis in fact or even in the Trench-world for this daft 'theory', either .. You are posting bollox..
STOP making excuses and learn by your mistakes - instead of finding comfort with the occasional loser who might 'agree' with you
If you spent more time dating and less time theorising here ....... :wallbash:
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I think the above may or may not occur depending on your social circles and your relationship pattern.
My friends are from Malaysia, Singapore, Puerto Rico, Vietnam, and exotic Alabama. I've dated a French Canadian girl originally from New Zealand, a Venezuelan girl in France, and a Greek woman who broke things off to focus on yoga in the Berkshires (Massachusetts). The wildest and most unusual girlfriend I had was from Kentucky.
T is one of the most normal relationships I've had.
I know a lot of people, and I can count on one hand those married to individuals who grew up in another country (unless they both did), or who are of different races. I do live in an area that’s predominantly white.
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Boethius most of my male UK friendship group envy me and most wish they were in my position. Although they forget the nasty bitter divorce I went through. Most are un happy in their marriages. These are my university friends and others I've known since my 20s. A few mean comments from strangers In bars from women and men because my fsu g f has not followed the UK dress code and so looks sooooo much better.
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Anyone coming to London. I recommend the rosewood hotel. Lovely bar
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Boethius most of my male UK friendship group envy me and most wish they were in my position. Although they forget the nasty bitter divorce I went through. Most are un happy in their marriages. These are my university friends and others I've known since my 20s.
So why aren't they changing their lives? Most of the people I know are not unhappy.
A few mean comments from strangers In bars from women and men because my fsu g f has not followed the UK dress code and so looks sooooo much better.
I think people who "stick out" generally get stares. It's not that they look better, it's that they look different. Goths get a lot of stares and mean comments. It's not because they look better, it's that they stick out for looking different.
A number of years ago, before the refugee crisis, I read an article by an African American studying in Germany. She was criticizing the police for singling out an African for attention in a park. She yelled at the police, who were perplexed. What she never understood was that he was singled out not because of the colour of his skin, but rather, because his cultural norms and behaviours were not German, and, therefore, stood out as different, thus attracting attention and in this case, suspicion. That’s what I believe is at play. I can always spot an FSU individual, as can the better half and two of our children. The third can, but just doesn’t give two f———. The kids refer to them as “FOBS”. Similarly, there are behaviours in our multicultural society from “FOBS” that don’t fit here, such as abandoning a shopping cart in the middle of an aisle, or having a conversation with someone they ran into, blocking it for everyone else who can’t pass. That’s what the people in the pub see, and comment on.
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Boethius most of my male UK friendship group envy me and most wish they were in my position. Although they forget the nasty bitter divorce I went through. Most are un happy in their marriages. These are my university friends and others I've known since my 20s. A few mean comments from strangers In bars from women and men because my fsu g f has not followed the UK dress code and so looks sooooo much better.
Some of MY UK friends that are married prob think I'm crazy - gven things with V and I didn't work out ... They liked her ... My first wife called my RU g/f's 'prostitutes' .... but surely all that matters is the two of you being happy ?
V toned down the bright reds she used to wear ( Jackets and high heel boots ) but can still be seen occasionally wearing thigh length boots ;)
SC doesn't give a ... what others think ....
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Anyone coming to London. I recommend the rosewood hotel. Lovely bar
Are you serious? Seen the prices?
http://tinyurl.com/ycxgg2xj
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not all russian women “dress to excess”
some are more casual...
although my wife’s last trip to Harrod’s (plus other Kensington shops) did briefly effect the trade balance with the UK...
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Trench,
You and James are - once again - portraying a scenario I do not recognise - both as a male who spend his teenage years to his v.early 40's in the UK and having two daughters who - thankfully - look more like their Ma than me...
Well on the photo you showed of your daughter here she has your eyes, unless that was photoshopped in to avoid reverse photo search ;D
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The point is, no matter how much you guys wish to claim that young UW have no hang ups about age, and really desire men 10, 15, 20 or more years older than they are, this is not the case. I'm not suggesting they can't be happy in such relationships, just that they don't naturally seek them out. Just like their Western counterparts.
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This is an important point and which is why I brought up the thread recently on 'Holding back the Years'. Now I know like most surgical proceedures and otherwise can look bad/weird and may have complications and side effects. That said I do think its worthwhile an older guy considering how he is going to come across to a younger FSW. Not necessarily about age but looks and style in general. That is why I brought up the difficulty in being introspective on that thread, some guys will have the gut reaction 'I'm fine' without considering if they really by taking a good hard critical look in the mirror.
Now I find UW do tend to be more materialistic as a generality, at least the ones that put themselves up for International Dating. Some of course can be found that aren't but then usually something else takes its place to which must be catered for. So for many guys on this venture a wallet leading the way approach works well enough so long as they don't get taken advantage off. Getting taken advantage of is I think something that is more likely if the guy looks past it with a young FSW. At first she is likely to be grateful to be able to access he's wealth but later on she may well get more and more put out by the telling age difference, etc.
Back in the summer I was messaging a UW who had been in a marriage with a local UM some years ago, she described it as 'not a very mature relationship', lol by what she meant that he was 10 years older than her. I questioned her on this but to her a 10 year or so relationship was quite common out there. Not necessarily desirable but he was apparently wealthy enough and so it was a match that seemed to fit, at least for a while. In the FSU it seems that a guy who can provide can trump a guy that may struggle to provide but is of her age, I don't think its a desirable situation as such just not as undesirable for a girl being with a guy that can't provide. From the previous girl I was with she made it clear in a discussion with her that she expects the guy to go out all hours if necessary to provide her/family with what she wants - such fun for the guy?, lol.
So yeas I think how a FSW really feels compared to what she may say to her loved one of 10,15, 20 or so years older may not be all that honest. The point of my thread which I raised was to suggest to guys myself included that being aware and trying to take the edge of the age factor a little by whatever reasonable, decent and most importantly convincing way may be something worthwhile considering. After all it may not completely resolve the issue but it may alleviate the worst of it. I myself would hate to think of a FSW being with me who just considered me old and undesirable physically but put up with it just to be satisfied on her end of the bargain as I think can so often be the case in FSU Dating.
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Trench, forget the anxiety and fear...
if you don’t have enough “pull” with the ladies
then dyeing your hair isn’t going to help...
getting feedback and help from the opposite sex is sometimes a good approach
I had a horrible dating problem in Silicon Valley
women there rate guys on their ability to “please a woman orally”
if you get a bad score first time, there won’t be a second time (and she'll tell her FRIENDS!!)
didn’t know what I was “doing wrong”
asked my closest female friend
who volunteered herself to teach me
for some reason these lessons went on long after I had mastered them...
but, this “secret” knowledge gave me a lot of “power” over Ukrainian women
cuz Russian guys don’t like to give, only receive...
and once you give a Ukrainian woman a “taste of this”, or is it the other way around...she’s “yours”,
but you have to learn how to take care of her properly if you want to keep her...
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whenever I see a chain dangling from someone's neck
I feel a sudden impulse to yank on it
so I yank their chain just a little to watch their reaction
it'a a dull period, every scrap of entertainment is appreciated, keep up the good work everyone!
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Well on the photo you showed of your daughter here she has your eyes, unless that was photoshopped in to avoid reverse photo search ;D
Trench,
1/ I used images not on the net - mindful of 'smart Alecs'
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2/ As you have no idea what her Mum looks like, you'll 'get' why I am - as usual - scratching my head in wonder at your 'logic'
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Trench, forget the anxiety and fear...
if you don’t have enough “pull” with the ladies
then dyeing your hair isn’t going to help...
getting feedback and help from the opposite sex is sometimes a good approach
I had a horrible dating problem in Silicon Valley
women there rate guys on their ability to “please a woman orally”
if you get a bad score first time, there won’t be a second time (and she'll tell her FRIENDS!!)
didn’t know what I was “doing wrong”
asked my closest female friend
who volunteered herself to teach me
for some reason these lessons went on long after I had mastered them...
but, this “secret” knowledge gave me a lot of “power” over Ukrainian women
cuz Russian guys don’t like to give, only receive...
and once you give a Ukrainian woman a “taste of this”, or is it the other way around...she’s “yours”,
but you have to learn how to take care of her properly if you want to keep her...
Your point on oral sex is worth thinking about. At first it might seem a bit sleazy but on reflection being able to satisfy a women well could be a big bonus. I may well literally have to kiss her arse ;D
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At first it might seem a bit sleazy...
OMG! This thought speaks volumes.
Trench, I do hope you develop more experience with women. If so you will learn that while most women enjoy oral sex, in a relationship they want and prefer love making (boinking), and so will you.
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"being able to satisfy a women well could be a big bonus."
I slapped myself so hard on the forehead, it left a mark!!!!!
RU kidding me?
first, remember in Ukraine, you will be perceived as being younger than you are in your own country
you will be perceived as being richer than you are in your own country
and you will be perceived as being "more interesting" than you will be in your own country
if on top of that you are also good looking and charming and have any other special abilities you will be "the leader of the pack" in any female's universe in Ukraine
flip it around in the other direction...
what if an interesting, charming, good looking Ukrainian woman expressed a strong desire to make love to you in the most intimate way possible
would you say no?
trust me on the alpaca blanket
3 drinks
have the temp several degrees warmer than normal, low light, music
then get them to rub their arm on the alpaca blanket, 10 minutes later their clothes are off and they're rolling all over the blanket, legs up in the air with a look of ecstasy on their face...
so damned HOT OMG!!!!!
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but on reflection being able to satisfy a women well could be a big bonus.
Instead of spending half your life writing insufferably loquacious posts, you might want to give that one a try before attempting anything in the FSU.
~CG
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Your point on oral sex is worth thinking about. At first it might seem a bit sleazy but on reflection being able to satisfy a women well could be a big bonus.
It is not that difficult to learn the basics of being a good lover, and putting yourself above 90% of the guys out there.
Bend your finger like a hook, and place it into your mouth. Hook your bottom jaw into the gum. Can you feel your fingernail? Your gums are very tender. If you can feel your fingernail, it is actually a little painful. That means your fingernails are too long. If it is painful on your gum, it will be even more painful when touching sensitive places on a lady. Well manicured nails on a man are a sign of a good lover.
Remember that women have thinner skin than men, which requires a lighter touch. Men usually touch women the way the man wants touched, and women touch men the way the woman wants touched. A guy likes firm pressure when a lady touches him, but if we touch a lady that way, they feel like we are being rough and brutish. Women touch gently - it tickles, instead of feeling pleasurable to a guy.
So when you touch a lady, and run your fingers over her body, imagine that there is a grain of sand between your fingertip and her skin, and you are gently trying to drag that grain of sand across her skin. You will drive women wild.
Do they have LifeSavers candy/mints in the UK? The little breath mints shaped like a donut? Hold a LifeSavers vertically between your teeth. If you move your lips and look into a mirror, you will see the O of the LifeSavers between your teeth. Now, lick from the center hole of the LifeSavers outwards in all directions until the LifeSavers candy is gone. This is a simple way to build tongue stamina.
You can also use the tip of your tongue to write the alphabet, or write sexy love messages to her one letter at a time.
When penetrating, count to 10. 9 shallow thrusts, and then one deep. 8 shallow, and then 2 deep. Once you get all the way through the count, do the sequence in reverse. She'll never catch on that you are counting, but by doing counting sequences it will help you last longer by keeping your mind focused on the counting.
Do these basic things and you will not need to have any worries about your ability to pleasure a woman physically, as you will be light years ahead of the competition.
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"Bend your finger like a hook, and place it into your mouth. "
oh for crying out loud!
are you KIDDING me?
what kinda book did you read that in, or was it "Cosmo"?
on second thought not even Cosmo would write something that dumb!
what a freakin "poser" you are, unbelievable!!!!
I can now see what your level of sexual experience is
and so can everyone else...
what the hell is it with you INCELS, I don't understand what's wrong with you
you obsess over sex, yet you're impotent...
I don't get it, did someone catch you jerking off when you were little and publicly humiliated you or what?
please share your trauma with the board and we will all beat tom toms together and heal our brother...
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Trench, oral sex is not sleazy, it's vanilla. I can't remember any woman not wanting oral (except two) and all eastern European ones just loved it. If you want to love a woman, you gotta love ALL of her!
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Boethius the reason UK guys stay in un happy marriages is divorce hits men so financially hard in the UK .
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Boethius the reason UK guys stay in un happy marriages is divorce hits men so financially hard in the UK .
James 'at it' again with generalisations
Not my perspective..
I was scared to divorce my UK wife as she vowed if I left her, she'd make sure the kids hated me ... I was so unhappy, I didn't give a ...about the financial implications
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Boethius the reason UK guys stay in un happy marriages is divorce hits men so financially hard in the UK .
Ummmmm.....Not true.
The important principle to bear in mind is that it has to be fair.
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Boethius the reason UK guys stay in un happy marriages is divorce hits men so financially hard in the UK .
Financial considerations include 1) child support, 2) division of marital assets, and 3) alimony. Which of these causes financial strain on the man?
Seemingly one would feel responsible to pay an equitable share (based on custody) of expenses of the children he fathered.
Are marital assets in the US divided 50-50?
Alimony is an issue, of course. Is the length of marriage a factor in determining alimony eligibility? What are the typical alimony awards?
Divorce from a long marriage is also expensive in the US. Why? Because it is worth it.
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Are marital assets in the US divided 50-50?
Not in many cases.
Virtually all judges favor the female.
Reason . . . women would form mass protests if a judge did not favor women.
Men do not form mass protests to support other men.
Even where 'on paper' it appears that a 50-50 split is ordered; that is rarely the case when the type of assets are considered.
e.g. The woman is given the family home, all the cash and marketable securities, and the man's retirement funds; none of which must be worked to provide spendable funds.
The man must acquire a new home and is given a business which must be operated to obtain cash and raw land which requires tremendous work and effort to turn into spendable funds.
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I have just been through a divorce from a 23 yr marriage in the US
Marital Assets were split 50/50
Real Property was ordered sold, split proceeds, her request to keep the Main House was denied
No child support because they are over 18
I felt the Alimony award was almost fair, tilted against me, but not outrageous
Legal expenses were tilted against me, she spent quite a bit between filing and the settlement including a new car
There is an old saying, 'its cheaper to keep her' and I do have friends that separated and got back together when they realized the costs. Those might be the type James talks about. They aren't in unhappy marriages, but if they could get out and financially survive they would. I call those tolerable marriages, but certainly not happy
However once lawyers get involved, and legal fees of $400/hr, they make lofty promises. Hers was telling her some crazy stories about huge awards. Mine made some stories, but they went in one ear and out the other. A RE Attorney friend was pretty dead on, and I knew about what the settlement would eventually be. The divorce lawyers are in it together, they both don't want the couple to reconcile
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I have just been through a divorce from a 23 yr marriage in the US
Marital Assets were split 50/50
Real Property was ordered sold, split proceeds, her request to keep the Main House was denied
No child support because they are over 18
I felt the Alimony award was almost fair, tilted against me, but not outrageous
Legal expenses were tilted against me, she spent quite a bit between filing and the settlement including a new car
There is an old saying, 'its cheaper to keep her' and I do have friends that separated and got back together when they realized the costs. Those might be the type James talks about. They aren't in unhappy marriages, but if they could get out and financially survive they would. I call those tolerable marriages, but certainly not happy...
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OMG! This thought speaks volumes.
Trench, I do hope you develop more experience with women. If so you will learn
that while most women enjoy oral sex, in a relationship they want and prefer love
making (boinking), and so will you.
It's like the man who mastered 200 ways to satisfy a women but never had one.
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Yep that's the annoying thing about women they are all unique individuals and what works with one doesn't work with another.
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It's like the man who mastered 200 ways to satisfy a women but never had one.
No worries. Once the devushkas catch a gander of that stylin' new jacket, he'll probably be mistaken for a New Russian and have to beat 'em off with a stick.
~CG
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No worries. Once the devushkas catch a gander of that stylin' new jacket, he'll probably be mistaken for a New Russian and have to beat 'em off with a stick.
~CG
Or some outraged FSUW will beat the sh.. out of him with that stick ! :)
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Yep, another case of having to learn things the hard way.
Experienced posters have seen a ton of Trenchcoats come and go over the years and even when the entire board whacks them upside the head with a clue bat, it rarely makes a bit of difference. :cluebat:
[edit] In other words, society and/or local women aren't the real problem. Self-awareness is crucial. If you're not a reasonably desirable guy with resources and a decent personality, you might find someone in a foreign country who'll marry you, but when she inevitably discovers the real you, you're just gonna end up resembling another segment of '90 Day Fiancé.' And that ain't pretty.
~CG
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In other words, society and/or local women aren't the real problem. Self-awareness is crucial. If you're not a reasonably desirable guy with resources and a decent personality, you might find someone in a foreign country who'll marry you, but when she inevitably discovers the real you, you're just gonna end up resembling another segment of '90 Day Fiancé.' And that ain't pretty.
To Trenchcoat's credit, he did not do the One Week Wonder option.
He does need more experience, and that is best accomplished in one's dating pool at home, where the women will give him direct feedback. Meeting a FSUW for a few days once every six months or so will not give him the requisite experience.
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I do give Trench credit for not being a OWW, a species I hope is nearly extinct because that's definitely playing Russian roulette -- except with one chamber empty.
But every time there's a poster who starts out complaining about how much American (or British) women suck (because they won't give him the time of day), how unfair society treats men and how the solution to all their problems is surely a nice "traditional" FSUW who will be so grateful that she'll overlook his mediocrity and shortcomings, I know he's probably in for a world of hurt. When these resentful guys are also so insecure that they worry about her quickly leaving him for a bigger better deal, doubly so.
In contrast, I have a friend who freely admits to being very shy and says, "Do you think I could've gotten anyone like (his FSU wife) in America?" Probably not. But the difference is, he was reflective of his own personal issues, didn't blame AW or society and has some tremendous assets that would make him attractive to *any* woman, foreign or domestic.
15 or 20 years ago, WM were still enough of a novelty that the mere thought of life in the West was a primary attraction. I could see the look in FSU ladies eyes every time I told someone that I was from Las Vegas. Those days are long gone. I know for a fact that if the only thing I can bring to the table is a TV-fueled fantasy life (which I guarantee they'll quickly grow accustomed to), unless you have some real masochistic tendencies, it's far better to remain single.
~CG
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“ unless you have some real masochistic tendencies, it's far better to remain single.”
masochism?
what do you know of masochism?
my wife is 6‘1“ tall, DD, and a VERY athletic body AND she’s freakin’ Russian...
believe me, you know NOTHING about masochism!
OMG! she’s coming I have to go....
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Lots of utter bull posted. So you recommend Trench stays at home with the women brought up on fast food or gets on a plane to the land of slim girls and home cooking. Women with a well developed sense of humour and education. British lions prefer to hunt unicorns and it still can be done.
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I know he's probably in for a world of hurt.
Now I know two guys who are probably in for a world of hurt -- no, make that three.
One who's been a very bad boy and two who are hunting myths, if they don't end up being hunted themselves.
~CG
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One who's been a very bad boy
eta n'pravda, ya hiroshie malchik! slovo!
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eta n'pravda, ya hiroshie malchik! slovo!
Oh, I think we'll let the 6'1" DD Russkaya dressed in black leather with a cat o' 9 tails determine that. ;)
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Myths.. not at all.. reality.. been there done that.. surely you've seen the hot versus crazy graph.. unicorns do exist
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crazy?
what do you mean crazy?
12 GA Double Barrel 3 inch magnum shells with 00 buckshot crazy?
I was serious about the 6'1" DD, damned serious, you have NO IDEA how damned serious...
I told her, I said deavotchka listen, if it's after midnight and you come down into the basement to my man cave
you either be naked and carrying a heineken, or you have a weapon able to stop a charging bull...
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Krim, who said I didn't believe you? But I guess you're lucky she didn't come downstairs carrying a cattle prod. :)
When Pablo Escobar's young daughter announced that she wanted a unicorn, it created a bit of a dilemma. Not being a father who denied his children anything -- no matter the time, cost or effort -- a solution was quickly found. A Shetland pony was purchased and a horn was stapled to its forehead, which delighted his daughter.
Unfortunately, the pony soon died from a massive infection, but it did bring temporary happiness before it's ultimate sad demise.
So I guess unicorns really do exist... at least for a while.
~CG
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Women with a well developed sense of humour and education. British lions prefer to hunt unicorns and it still can be done.
Some FSUW have a sense of humour. Some don't. There was a poster here years ago who used to brag about his beautiful UW and her "great sense of humour". They are now divorced, and since that divorce, he has described her as a miserable human being.
As for education, as I posted previously, you are way out to lunch on this one. Objectively, British women are far better educated than are FSUW. Your chance of finding an FSUW who can discuss philosophers, or great literature, are no greater than they are in the UK.
Years ago, before we married, the better half had a neighbour who was around 20 - an old maid by Soviet standards - who couldn't find a man. He told her that her tactics were flawed, saying "You tried it with the working class and it failed. You should try to fashion yourself as an 'intelektualna'. She grabbed the idea and bought a pair of glasses (she didn't need them it was to make her "look" smarter), and started hanging out in the library with large tomes, pretending to read. The ploy worked - she soon found a Jewish nerd in the library, and despite the fact she was an empty head, he married her and they were seemingly happy.
The point is, you are being duped by the same sort of tricks, James. But unlike the Jewish guy, who was 22 and, whose mother was happy he was marrying, since, in her words "At least he'll stop jerking off in the bathroom.", you are a middle aged man, presumably, too old for these tricks.
It would be rare to find an FSUW who can explain the categorical imperative, Cartesian dualism, or even dialectical materialism*, quantum physics, Plekhanov's theories of socialism, or why The Overcoat is not a comedy. That is why, for the most part, FSU degrees are not recognized on an equal footing to degrees from the UK.
Look at what sells in their bookstores, their popular music, and their television. They are as shallow, ill educated, and self absorbed as we Westerners.
As for Trench, he was in fact, a OWW. He ended up breaking up with that woman. I do think dating in the UK would be good for him. It is obvious he has almost no experience with women, either as dates or sexually. His early posts after getting laid read like those of a 14 year old boy.
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*There is an FSUW occasional poster here who can indeed explain all of these at a PhD level.
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this pic is from a trip to Corfu, daughters stayed in a rented villa with a rented granny
my wife and I explored the place, bummed out that I didn’t have a metal detector
I actually got used to drinking Ouzo, but at first it was like “my god are you kidding me”?
snorkled in crystal clear warm water...perfect hiking weather...
my daughters are happy with ACTUAL ponies, so fortunately don't have to abuse any animals just feed them and pay their vet bills
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" who can explain the categorical imperative, Cartesian dualism, or even dialectical materialism (there is an FSUW here who can indeed explain all of these at a PhD level), quantum physics, or why The Overcoat is not a comedy. "
well what's so extraordinary about those topics?
we had those topics just last week at my house
this week each member of my family is doing a breakfast presentation on Medieval Balkan Funerary monuments, and tomorrow I have Montenegro!!!
this woman you were describing...
if she ever got breast cancer, would it be a "little bit" of surgery or "a lot" of surgery?, I mean in your opinion, hypothetically, just about that, not making any further inferences about anything else, etc.
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I can discuss them all except quantum physics, because I am well educated. I never developed an interest beyond high school physics, and my education in the sciences, generally, is lacking.
The better half can discuss them all - he often has discussions with our son, who took a lot of physics courses in university. He was asked to enter honours physics, but his interests took him elsewhere.
Now, you are being too literal. The point is not about intellectuals but rather, that FSUW are not more educated than are women in the West, if you look at educational levels objectively.
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my father gave me different advice
he said an intelligent man should marry a "wild savage" woman and tame her
his belief was that two intelligent people would repel each other and NOT attract
all the high IQ females I know in my life are either divorced or NEVER married!!!
so I'll stick with my wild savage Ukrainian woman.....hahahahahahahaha
I have her "eating out of the palm of my hand" literally...
if I told her to "JUMP", she would just ask, "how high sweety"
if the kids are in school, and I ask her to clean in the nude, she will with a big smile....what more could a man ask of a woman, except for lunch?
sure, now haters are gonna hate...
but we ARE a VERY happy couple...so there...!!
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Your father was wrong, and I can think of many, many couples that prove that.
My point though, was about education, not intelligence.
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"Your father was wrong, and I can think of many, many couples that prove that. "
pardon moi mon amour, but is not the BEST example for each of us, the one that we ourselves create, n'est pas?
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But your father wasn’t doing that, was he?
In any event, my point was that James is wrong about FSUW being better educated than WW.
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"But your father wasn’t doing that, was he?"
hahahaha, my father didn't have access to Russian women, but he favored tall blondes, the more Anglo Saxon the better...
and my mother was born in the UK and was a UK citizen, she fitted my father's needs perfectly, and he fitted hers, they were married over 60 yr
talk about "dialectic" that's all the two of them ever did, drove my sister and I crazy
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Boethius love your fiesty comments. I married an English woman so yes I spent 20 years beating off in the bathroom because that's what English wives demean their husbands to. After divorce I dated an English nurse and an English school teacher both very bossy. Since my work colleague introduced me to f s u women I've dated a graphic designer . 2 lawyers who have given lectures to British government ministers. A surgeon and an oil pipeline designer. My god are the conversations more stimulating and the sex is off the scale. So thank you f s u
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Krimister a word of warning about this metal detecting. Back in Yugoslavia a very stupid colleague found a half buried pile of petrol pump handles......grenades. I have driven through an unmarked mine field much to the annoyance and surprise of those who laid it . Watched a farmer tell an officer not to drive through crops saying mine. To which the officer replied I don't care who's crops they are were driving through luckily after a few minutes the officer realised it was not an adjective but a noun. Beware of the plastic ones with removable metal detecting plate.
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oh yeah, already encountered that, it's EVERYWHERE in Crimea!!!!
I'm ex Army, UXO (especially from the great patriotic war) is not of great concern to me, I've handled plenty and know what to do...
in Crimea, I collected un-fired cartridges that I found of various calibers, buff them on a polishing wheel and Mauser cartridges from 1942 look brand new!
most danger I ever had doing this was with a "bad-ass" group of Russians who called themselves "Sev Dig"
they were suicidal bunker divers and I accompanied them into the deepest penetration of Fort Stalin that anyone has ever attempted
we went down to the bottom level, where the Soviet troops were in when the general ordered the fort to be blown up with everyone inside
it took sevdig weeks of digging to get past the collapsed concrete to make an opening to the bottom level
it took me crawling on my belly for 30 minutes to get down there...
but man, the stuff we saw...
here's a pic of me after I came out of Fort Stalin taken by SevDig
part of the crawl space we used to get down to the lower level was directly through a crack in one of the magazine walls, created from the explosion of 40 tons of TNT
crawled through there over Soviet 205mm artillery shells, because it was sealed with no moisture, you could wet a cloth and rub the copper band on the shells and read it!!!
I will NOT describe what we saw, cuz word might get back and Russian gov would be VERY unhappy with us...
but think about it....
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You sound surprisingly like me I've had a good nose about in the naval defences of Bordeaux carteghena lossymouth and Franco spanish border. A friend has had a musket fire a ball after several hundred years that was empty an un loaded. My personal favourite is the entry and exit wound in me from a colleagues no magazine in safety catch on. Not forgetting the entire classroom and personnel removed proving a tank bar mine was safe. Happy digging.
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"A friend has had a musket fire a ball after several hundred years that was empty an un loaded"
there is NO such thing as an unloaded gun....and that's how you handle an "unloaded" gun
I've seen plenty of idiots with guns, but I'm NOT one of them
I have been VERY well trained and because of that training I have no fear
when I was 18 I detonated a stack of 105mm artillery shells by using the fuse wrench and put a "universal detonator" on the bottom shell
that one made the whole pyramid go off!!!!
great way to make an IED, but back then we called them "Booby Traps", kids today...
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Krim a question. I've holidayed with mainly Ukrainians. I presume most have done military service for a few years in their early lives yet I see no tattoos. I've seen one guy with the general shoulder flashes that denote a high ranking criminal. I have a single regimental tattoo which certainly seems to make big muscle guys open doors and stand out my way. On a alcohol fulled night in a bar with lots of drunk guys from all over the fsu my tattoo came in for a lot of admiration touching and back slapping . What is going on ?
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not a "tatt" fan, so never paid much attention
some guys just plain don't like them, I served, and have NO tatts, and no one in my family does either
i'm thinking just a personal preference
but I have noticed that guys who'd identify with being Ukrainian and not Russian "generally" have fewer tatts than Russians
just an observation but no explanation
Russian tatts have rich symbology
so far I've managed to avoid Russian prison, so I'm tatt free
as I see it, it's a "tit for tat" scenario, and I know which one of those I prefer over the other!!!
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I married an English woman so yes I spent 20 years beating off in the bathroom because that's what English wives demean their husbands to.
Well, UW do that as well, but the difference is, UM don't put up with it. They threaten them with divorce, and if the behaviour doesn't change, that is just what they do.
2 lawyers who have given lectures to British government ministers.
This got a full laugh out loud from the better half (I couldn't resist reading that one sentence to him).
Frankly, I find that hard to believe.
I know many in the group of diaspora Ukrainians who wrote Ukraine's constitution, and who worked on updating their laws. Ukrainian criminal law is still based on the Soviet penal code. The legal system there is exceptionally corrupt. There was a glimmer of hope at the Supreme Court level in the Yushchenko years, at that time, the Supreme Court was truly independent, but that disappeared under Yanukovych and has yet to recover.
Ukraine, unlike the UK, has no rule of law. Might makes right in Ukraine. Lawyers are not like lawyers in the West. So what, exactly, would a Ukrainian lawyer lecture a UK minister about? Corruption? Rigged judicial decisions? Determining the level of bribe to offer a judge to ensure a criminal charge is dismissed?
I think this just proves my point. Don't be impressed by any "credentials" in Ukraine. They mean nothing. Be impressed by the person, and remember, most of them are lying to you, because they view Westerners as gullible idiots.
On tattoos - in Soviet times, only those who served in the navy had tattoos. So, sailors and criminals. There is still somewhat of a stigma attached to tattoos in Ukraine, though I believe that is changing, very slowly.
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As to lawyers I wrote FSU, Ukraine is a small part of FSU . Secondly I personally delivered them to Westminster and drove them to all their appointments for a week including reading the official invitations. Now the bad bit dating 2 women from one office even with 2 years between relationships doesn't work.
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"I think this just proves my point. Don't be impressed by any "credentials" in Ukraine. They mean nothing. Be impressed by the person, and remember, most of them are lying to you, because they view Westerners as gullible idiots."
slovo tvoyey mame!!!
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It doesn't negate what I posted. Law, as a profession of service, is a foreign concept in Ukraine.
You're in your mid forties and still making mistakes only a hormone driven teen without a brain would make. Think about that in your approach. I mean that as help, not a swipe at you. You seem to be at the "kid in a candy store" stage.
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Boethius love your fiesty comments. I married an English woman so yes I spent 20 years beating off in the bathroom because that's what English wives demean their husbands to.
James suggesting his experience with UK wives is how it is for everyone .... no, sir !
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"You seem to be at the "kid in a candy store" stage."
Candy? can I haz candy?
Mrs Krimster with her deep emerald eyes and matching bath robe says I can haz some delicious sweet candy...
oh boy!!!
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Luckily we are all unique individuals in the way we conduct ourselves. A discussion board and how someone appears in real face to face life are different. But yes compared to my uk experience the fsu is so much better. In fact whenever I get analysed for employment it comes out as a level headed leader. I hope one day to post on this site that I'm 10 years into a relationship but im going to enjoy the hunt to find this.
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Luckily we are all unique individuals in the way we conduct ourselves. A discussion board and how someone appears in real face to face life are different. But yes compared to my uk experience the fsu is so much better. In fact whenever I get analysed for employment it comes out as a level headed leader. I hope one day to post on this site that I'm 10 years into a relationship but im going to enjoy the hunt to find this.
Your FSU 'experience' doesn't seem to have been other than short-term gratification - followed by realisation that she wasn't marriage material
I hope you will find someone who shares the same dreams
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Luckily we are all unique individuals in the way we conduct ourselves.
I agree with moby's last post.
I'm telling you as a woman, knowing how women think.
Pursuing more than one woman without telling them they aren't exclusive means you may lose all the women, and dating two in the same office is just, well, stupid.
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msmob Master of Science in Organizational Behaviour is hardly going to admit to having to resort to bathroom antics
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OK, I actually witnessed this a number of times in the FSU (wife using sex as a weapon). I'll relay the last story I witnessed.
Wife was withholding sex in an effort to control her husband. He complained to the neighbours, including the hot girl two apartments down the block. She was single, younger than the wife, lived alone (rare in Soviet times), and was more than happy to relieve his sexual frustration. The husband wasn't ready to leave his wife, and after a couple of months, the wife realized what she was about to lose, and at her age (30), nobody would want her, she was done. So, she "fell into line".
There are numerous places in Kyiv where one could go to find women for the night (not prostitutes, sexually deprived women who just wanted a man), and serving every fantasy you desired, from vanilla sex to threesomes with men, to full blown orgies. AFAIK, they still exist, though I have never bothered checking.
UM don't need to jerk off in their bathrooms, unless they want to.
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Boethius I have never dated more than one person at a time. Seems you are missing the translation. The lawyers were not from Ukraine and the first one two years after we stopped dating suggested her work colleague and I tried a relationship.
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Yes, I misunderstood. I apologize.
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"Kid in a candy store"...
I used to work with a colleague who's wife divorced him. After a few months to get over the shock and depression and denial, he accepted the divorce and moved on to dating. He lives in a desirable part of Boston, in a large house that was willed to him by his parents. As a professional, single father, in the right part of town, he was suddenly very popular.
I would like to say that after a few years of dating many women who were ready to jump his bones on the first date, that he got his head on straight and found the right woman. But in reality he found a very strong willed woman who pretty much claimed him. He's a pretty passive guy, and the last time we met he was still with the same woman.
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"I would like to say that after a few years of dating many women who were ready to jump his bones on the first date, that he got his head on straight and found the right woman. But in reality he found a very strong willed woman who pretty much claimed him. He's a pretty passive guy, and the last time we met he was still with the same woman."
sounds like he and I have the same biographer, the only thing he changes are the setting....
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Msmob I lived with a woman her son and her mother in a 2 bedroom apartment for about a year and a half in Minsk. When I suggested relocating to UK her ex husbands family became very militant and as my sons based in the UK were younger and needed my support I couldn't risk continuing with the relationship. The 2 things I've changed in my dating is location Ukraine and the use of the internet which has given me 2 rocky relationships out of 2
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“I spent 20 years beating off in the bathroom...”
ewwwwww!
took my young daughters to the Zoo in Berlin, of course they wanted to see “maquaqa” “monkeys”, so I have one on each hand and we walk by the large glass chimp enclosure, and there ‘s this big male laying on his back “pleasuring himself” and he climaxed as the three of us stood there with our jaws hanging open...
that’s kinda how I picture you...
it’s a ghastly, ghastly image.....
look man, I’m not gonna judge ya
I’m not in your shoes
but the last time I emulated a chimp like this was over 20 years ago...
before Mrs Krimster
there was Krimster’s girl friend (pic below)
because Krimster is a god damned LUCKY son-of-a-bitch
mrs krimster lets krimster use an escort once a year, BUT
the escort story can ONLY end in a “happy ending” (metaphorically speaking)
additional rules apply, such as no email/phone contact, no repeat contact, etc
my last escort trip was to Amsterdam and of course she was actually Ukrainian!
my next trip may be either Odessa, or I may try to score with the senoritas in Venezuela
hence no “monkey business” for me!
the idea of Venezuela was presented to me on this board by Bo and PitBull
and upon proper reflection and google search causes me to consider their idea in a favorable light
try one one year and another the next...or maybe they will offer even more suggestions in the future
yes...please...
now, i'm sure haters are gonna hate
but that's how I roll
and my wife and I are both perfectly content with this...
she says if she ever meets some guy that looks like the young Richard Gere she will ask "my permission"
and because I love her, of course I'd say "Yes"...
see, no jealousy...
just enjoyment
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That's how I thought of myself a mad monkey.
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"That's how I thought of myself a mad monkey. "
oh god, then the chimp stood up on all 4s and turned his back to us
enormously inflamed and swollen, beet red rectum with large protruding purple bleeding hemorrhoids caked with excrement..
hopefully the similarity doesn't extend this far
cuz all the preparation H in the world ain't gonna help THAT!!!
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She was single, younger than the wife, lived alone (rare in Soviet times), and was more than happy to relieve his sexual frustration. The husband wasn't ready to leave his wife, and after a couple of months, the wife realized what she was about to lose, and at her age (30), nobody would want her, she was done. So, she "fell into line".
Married man spent a lot of time at house of newly moved in single woman just 'helping her get settled in.'
Finally wife had enough of this, so called the woman's house and said:
"Tell my husband to get his ass across the street.'
Neighbor gal replied: 'Well he already is.'
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"That's how I thought of myself a mad monkey. "
I have the opposite problem, so I don't know which one is worse!
back in the 90s when I first went to Kyiv, women asked if I was circumcised
when I said "yes", without batting an eyelash they asked "to see it"
and these are women I had just barely met!!!
then after they see it, they want to touch it, "just once. projouste"
yeah right....
I wasn't going to fall for that, I'm not THAT naive!!!
they all seemed to have this fixation on my willy!!!! it's probably the same for most of ya, right??? so you know what I'm talkin about!
the Ukrainian girl friend in the above pic used to like to lay naked in my lap and while I read Keats to her she would fondle me and "tickle" me and purse her lips and blow air at me
while my wife lets me soak in the bath in the morning and trims my nails and then washes my "junk" vigorously, and I mean vigorously, and ALL OF IT!
I have little abrasions she does it so frequently, she just won't leave me alone
you're lucky man that you can live a peaceful, tranquil life without women using your body for their own gratification
it must really feel liberating!!
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Msmob I lived with a woman her son and her mother in a 2 bedroom apartment for about a year and a half in Minsk.
..and..?
When I suggested relocating to UK her ex husbands family became very militant and as my sons based in the UK were younger and needed my support I couldn't risk continuing with the relationship.
You knew you had children when you started the relationship and there MIGHT be a chance the lady was happy to stay in BY
The 2 things I've changed in my dating is location Ukraine and the use of the internet which has given me 2 rocky relationships out of 2
'Ri-ight!', so what do you have to say to those members who found their UA wives on the net ? :))
For someone with a 'MSOB' you sure do 'pick 'em' !! [ tease]
PS ..'Tires and organiZational' ? 99% of Brits I've ever met do not spell these words as such and that is no generalisation :rolleyes:
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As I told you. When writing my thesis for an English examination board for a bsc when quoting American text use tire. When quoting English text use tyre. When writing your own work up use either but be consistent with using one form constantly. I know you are just trying to wind me up xxx. I was quoting top gun so tire. At least I don't use my pseudo qualification as my user name.
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why are you two Brits are having a go at each other., eh?
can't the two of you get over your childhood spent in council housing in the east end?
it is highly likely that the two of you were born in either St. Giles or the Devil's Acre, or maybe Jacob's Island?
and that this Dickens like existence experienced by two jaunty lads in terrible conditions of dire poverty
has molded their character into this rough, impoverished demeanor due to the intense rivalry they experienced as children
at all times, I try to behave in a civilized fashion and set a proper example for the various perplexed types and other "riff raff" that graze here
allright lads? enuff said on the subject, now carry on...
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Well, UW do that as well, but the difference is, UM don't put up with it. They threaten them with divorce, and if the behaviour doesn't change, that is just what they do.
This got a full laugh out loud from the better half (I couldn't resist reading that one sentence to him).
Frankly, I find that hard to believe.
I know many in the group of diaspora Ukrainians who wrote Ukraine's constitution, and who worked on updating their laws. Ukrainian criminal law is still based on the Soviet penal code. The legal system there is exceptionally corrupt. There was a glimmer of hope at the Supreme Court level in the Yushchenko years, at that time, the Supreme Court was truly independent, but that disappeared under Yanukovych and has yet to recover.
Ukraine, unlike the UK, has no rule of law. Might makes right in Ukraine. Lawyers are not like lawyers in the West. So what, exactly, would a Ukrainian lawyer lecture a UK minister about? Corruption? Rigged judicial decisions? Determining the level of bribe to offer a judge to ensure a criminal charge is dismissed?
I think this just proves my point. Don't be impressed by any "credentials" in Ukraine. They mean nothing. Be impressed by the person, and remember, most of them are lying to you, because they view Westerners as gullible idiots.
On tattoos - in Soviet times, only those who served in the navy had tattoos. So, sailors and criminals. There is still somewhat of a stigma attached to tattoos in Ukraine, though I believe that is changing, very slowly.
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Slowly?
Everyone on my girls friends has tattoos (she is 37 and from Kyiv), every single one of her daughter's friends are starting to get tattoos, most of them are still 17, but it seems like a rite of passage there when you turn 18 you get a tattoo.. so they do. Natasha has asked her mom to get one as well, but she is not allowing it until she turns 18, even if its only 2 months away.
Most of them very small, or delicate and "hidden" away, but more and more are getting visible ones, on the wrist or ankle.
On the beaches in Odessa this summer I don't think I saw more than a handful "younger" women and men that didn't have a tattoo, from a small heart on their wrist to half and full sleeves.
Me thinks someone is a tiny bit out of touch with the younger scene in Ukraine, and now not only thinks but now knows based on that comment.
There is no stigma, yeah I am sure there is in a way in the older generation, 50-60+ but under that its becoming a everyday thing, same as here in Sweden..
Go to any datingsite and look for women under 40 and try find more than a handful that don't have at least one tattoo. And bare in mind, far from everyone say so in their profile.
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it depends...
back in the 90s, none of the UW I met had tattoos (and I checked over EVERY sq cm!)
now they're VERY popular particularly in larger cities, where I suppose there is easier access to getting them
less tattoos being displayed in less populated villages (and this is based on 6 months ago)
I have this visual erotic fetish of a woman with absolutely perfect skin being completely naked in a submissive position
a tattoo disrupts this image for me, no matter how spectacular...
so for me, no....
hee's a nice young tatt free ukrainian girl for ya
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I stayed hotels in Cyprus and Egypt that hosted mainly Ukrainians Belarusians and various stans. Georgia etc. . I and the general were the only ones with tattoos. He seemed to get avoided by all people except myself as i try not to pre judge. All inclusive hotels but only the Dutch ended up staggering about. In the bar I found my self with some dads from various fsu nations and they were just very jovial maybe my tattoo was just an ice breaker who knows.
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Krim as to growing up. Here's some ammo against me. Child hood on military bases in Germany and France. Then at 7 all boys UK boarding school for military kids. A levels before 18 and straight into the army. 3 years and off to a university that was 90 per cent male. Then into all male industry. So bar girls was all I knew and met. Thank god for the invention of the internet or I'd be doing rinse and repeat in the bars. Now I can crash and burn all over the world.
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the indomitable British bulldog spirit
if your upper lip was any stiffer, we could use it as plumb bob level
damn...
you poor buggers in the UK...
but the opposite of that is even worse, that I can certify
when it comes to sex, young Ukrainian women are way more "physical" and put a maximum effort into it unlike American women
they always conveyed to me a sense that they really wanted to "please me and satisfy me" and wanted my approval and affection in return
sometimes with very young women say 18 or 19 there is some confusion on their part about how to respond
they will just look at you with those big blue eyes and you see excitement mixed with a little fear
the process reminds me of the story of "The Little Prince" who wanted to tame a fox and make it his friend...
Who are you?" asked the little prince, and added, "You are very pretty to look at."
"I am a fox," the fox said.
"Come and play with me," proposed the little prince. "I am so unhappy."
"I cannot play with you," the fox said. "I am not tamed."
"My life is very monotonous," the fox said. "I hunt chickens; men hunt me. All the chickens are just alike, and all the men are just alike. And, in consequence, I am a little bored. But if you tame me, it will be as if the sun came to shine on my life. I shall know the sound of a step that will be different from all the others. Other steps send me hurrying back underneath the ground. Yours will call me, like music, out of my burrow. And then look: you see the grain-fields down yonder? I do not eat bread. Wheat is of no use to me. The wheat fields have nothing to say to me. And that is sad. But you have hair that is the color of gold. Think how wonderful that will be when you have tamed me! The grain, which is also golden, will bring me back the thought of you. And I shall love to listen to the wind in the wheat . . ."
The fox gazed at the little prince, for a long time.
"Please--tame me!" she said.
yes, a wild fox tamer is what I am!!!
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What a load of horse shyte......
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Antoine de Saint-Exupéry was never very popular with the british precariat class,
so I can understand your objection... and here’s a shilling for your troubles, now be off with you...
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Krim I know what you mean, many still have that look in their eyes and enthusiasm in their late 30s, except grey eyes not blue
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There are numerous places in Kyiv where one could go to find women for the night (not prostitutes, sexually deprived women who just wanted a man), and serving every fantasy you desired, from vanilla sex to threesomes with men, to full blown orgies. AFAIK, they still exist, though I have never bothered checking.
UM don't need to jerk off in their bathrooms, unless they want to.
That is interesting. I wonder if this holds true in Russia as well.
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Antoine de Saint-Exupéry was never very popular with the british precariat class,
so I can understand your objection... and here’s a shilling for your troubles, now be off with you...
More crap being slung off the krimstercart.
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As I told you. When writing my thesis for an English examination board for a bsc when quoting American text use tire. When quoting English text use tyre. When writing your own work up use either but be consistent with using one form constantly. I know you are just trying to wind me up xxx. I was quoting top gun so tire. At least I don't use my pseudo qualification as my user name.
Your 'explanation is bizarre and do tell us how you arrived at your 'conclusion ' - given *I* know how my nick came about and I hate the term MOB in the context of FSU brides .....))
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why are you two Brits are having a go at each other., eh?
one of 'em can't possibly be me ....as you're describing an English person ;)
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I see you’ve read my publications, I had no idea my literary efforts were so widely read, thank you for mentioning their titles here
“What a load of horse shyte...”
This was the title of my first collection of short essays
followed by my next publication “More crap being slung off the krimstercart.” published a year later
I should point out to that both of those volumes have been supplanted by my latest work, “More Bullocks from Krimster”
thank you again for being a reader...
regarding guys in the UK having to resort to"bathroom antics"
I think I may have stumbled upon a “solution” (so to speak) of your bathroom sexual release..
at least a way to improve upon it!
instead of doing it in YOUR bathroom
what I’d do “if I were you” is to get a “certificate” from Her Majesty’s Gummit that sez you’re one of them transexuals” and get official authorization from the ministry of “WCs” to use the female restroom, I saw on some weird British TV show that the Ministry of WCs is two doors away from The Ministry of Silly Walks, don't get them confused...
then do it in the stalls and you’ll be surrounded by women!!!!
plus, you can relieve yourself from another orifice at the same time
great time saver!
but hey, if you want to continue in your traditional fashion and skip all the lengthy paperwork, I understand....
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"as you're describing an English person "
Fe, Fi, Fo, Fum, I can tell from your accent where yur from!
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I see you’ve read my publications, I had no idea my literary efforts were so widely read, thank you for mentioning their titles here
“What a load of horse shyte...”
This was the title of my first collection of short essays
followed by my next publication “More crap being slung off the krimstercart.” published a year later
I should point out to that both of those volumes have been supplanted by my latest work, “More Bullocks from Krimster”
thank you again for being a reader...
regarding guys in the UK having to resort to"bathroom antics"
I think I may have stumbled upon a “solution” (so to speak) of your bathroom sexual release..
at least a way to improve upon it!
instead of doing it in YOUR bathroom
what I’d do “if I were you” is to get a “certificate” from Her Majesty’s Gummit that sez you’re one of them transexuals” and get official authorization from the ministry of “WCs” to use the female restroom, I saw on some weird British TV show that the Ministry of WCs is two doors away from The Ministry of Silly Walks, don't get them confused...
then do it in the stalls and you’ll be surrounded by women!!!!
plus, you can relieve yourself from another orifice at the same time
great time saver!
but hey, if you want to continue in your traditional fashion and skip all the lengthy paperwork, I understand....
The gift that keeps giving.......the numptiness is mind boggling.
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That is interesting. I wonder if this holds true in Russia as well.
Yes, of course. It occurs in all big cities, because people are lonely. Most casual hookups happen online now, but they still do occur, and you can still go to these places to find someone. There was a programme, in Russian, on this issue in Moscow. The news reporter wanted to prove how depraved her city can be. She sat in the park, was approached, and told the man who approached her she has a partner. He asked her "Then what are you doing here?"
This post was composed without the aid of google.
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"The gift that keeps giving.......the numptiness is mind boggling."
ahhh calmy doony, that wee brain o’yours could probably stand for a bit of boggling
a fellow who is both Gaunt and lacking girth,
undoubtedly has little cause for mirth...
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She sat in the park, was approached, and told the man who approached her she has a partner. He asked her "Then what are you doing here?"
This seems harmless. It would have made for a juicier story if he had said instead, "I am your third for a threesome. Is your man bi- or straight?"