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Title: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 14, 2017, 02:06:19 AM
It's early October and it’s time for  my second trip to Kharkov,this time for 10 days.After arriving in Borispyl in the afternoon i headed to Kiev to spent the night in a hotel.Next morning took the Intercity to Kharkov.When i arrived Mila and her husband where at the station waiting for  me.They drove me to the apartment she booked for me(next to the medical university in the center) where i and Mila discussed our plan of action . I decided to meet with 6 women(one was from another city)and we called it a day.

Next day Mila and her husband (as driver)picked me up from the apartment and we drove to a restaurant in the center of the city where i would meet the first lady.During the drive Mila informed me that the lady from another city was working that weekend(she could meet only weekends)and she can't make it.Also another lady was out of town for buisness and she couldn't tell when she'll be back.So i was left with 4 ladies. I was supposed to meet the ladies during lunch break.We arrived at the restaurant where lady1 was waiting.The meeting went well and i as well  lady1 decided to meet again.After  that we walked to another restaurant(Mila choose restaurants cloce to the ladies working place) where i would meet lady2.The second introduction was a total waste of time.So,that was the last meeting for the day and i returned to my apartment.Next day, around the same time, Mila and her husband drove me again to the meeting place.Lady3 was a nice  woman but there was no chemistry so in the end we shook hands and went our separate ways.I met with Lady4 two days later because of her job.We met  at a nice cafe.Although i was interested in that lady,i told Mila to put her on hold for a couple days until i see how it goes with lady1.

So, after the introduction phase was over i choose to pursue lady1.On Sunday me,lady1,Mila and her husband(as taxi driver) visited Gorky park until afternoon.Next day we drove to Ekopark where we spent 2-3 hours.When we where leaving i asked lady1 if she had more free time to go for dinner with me and she said OK.While en route i told Mila that i would not need her services any longer for the rest of the day(Mila told me that lady1 could understand and speek some english,but was to shy and embarrassed to do so),so that i could dine alone with lady1.Then lady1 actually refused to go for dinner without Mila present, because she could not speak good english.Itried to explain to her that english is also not my first language and that i would not mind even if she spoke chinese.Finally, when we arrived at the place where we picked her up earlier,she got out the car and told us she would go back to work.

After a couple of hours Mila send  a message telling me that lady1 called her.Lady1 was complaining that i was to pushy and she didn’t liked that,but she also likes me and she wants to meet with me next evening with Mila present at least in the beginning.Then we could go for dinner without her.Of course i told Mila that this doesn’t make any sense,since we did exactly that the same day.After that incident i told Mila that it was over with lady1.I asked about lady4 if she was interested meeting me again  but she wasn’t.
Next day Mila send me other pictures of ladies from her database to choose from.Little later informed me that lady5 was back in Kharkov.I agreed to meet her the next day,so Mila told me that she would pick me up as usual.I asked her  to set  the date in the cafe i met lady4 because i liked it.Mila told me that she allready had chosen a place and in fact it was very close to my apartment.I responded to her that i wouldn’t be needing  her taxi services.A few hours later and after much thinking i called Mila again, canceled the meeting with lady5 and told her that i would stop meeting ladies altogether.The next remaining couple days were spent walking arround Kharkov and visiting places.

It was my first experience with FSUW and i learned a few things.I will definitely try again(although with another method).Later i will write about some  things i didn’t like and in my opinion were wrong with Mila’s practices.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: wallm on November 14, 2017, 05:22:39 AM
Congrats on having the cojones to write this report and not use false initials. Now, get ready to be judged by the peanut gallery full of people who have not used her services unlike you.

Did you ask about marriages/relationships that resulted from her services?
You mentioned speaking chinese, are you of chinese descent?

So, what did you do on your first trip to Kharkiv?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: mhr7 on November 14, 2017, 05:31:32 AM
Congrats on having the cojones to write this report and not use false initials. Now, get ready to be judged by the peanut gallery full of people who have not used her services unlike you.

Did you ask about marriages/relationships that resulted from her services?
You mentioned speaking chinese, are you of chinese descent?

So, what did you do on your first trip to Kharkiv?

I used her services, not to find a woman but as an interpreter, and found her to be very good and helpful. However, she did have a way of sneaking in a few fees I wasn't made aware of. Like $20 for her husband to drive me about 5 blocks.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: wallm on November 14, 2017, 07:21:36 AM
I used her services, not to find a woman but as an interpreter, and found her to be very good and helpful. However, she did have a way of sneaking in a few fees I wasn't made aware of. Like $20 for her husband to drive me about 5 blocks.

Were you driven 5 blocks in a Bugatti?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Hammer2722 on November 14, 2017, 08:48:30 AM
Sorry the trip did not work out for you. You should definitely post your observations of the women and Mila's services as some former clients have stated before she would use her friends in her introductions to clients.
Perhaps next time just use the recommended dating sites and only communicate with ladies with a good working knowledge of English. There are plenty on good women out there and I believe you don't need any intro services to find them.
Good luck!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 14, 2017, 09:12:12 AM
I used her services, not to find a woman but as an interpreter, and found her to be very good and helpful. However, she did have a way of sneaking in a few fees I wasn't made aware of. Like $20 for her husband to drive me about 5 blocks.

I used Mila's services for a flower delivery to a girl. I asked for her opinion on girl's sincere-ness since her English was poor. She was spot on with her description.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: treadmilldude on November 14, 2017, 10:24:33 AM
Wallm, we all get it that not only did you have a bad experience with Mila Lobunko, you also despise Mila Lobunko. Plenty of people (including myself) have had enough of your trashing Mila at every opportunity.

I joined RUA before I joined RWD. Even though I have not logged into RUA in a million years, I enjoyed reading various trip reports from various Men who used Mila’s services in Ukraine. The overwhelming majority of Men on RUA who had used Mila’s services had very positive things to say about her. No hints of her being a scammer.

Likewise, I have read every post by her and regarding her here on RWD. The majority of the men on RWD who have used her have positive things to say about her. There have been a few who had negative things to say about her, and I have had 3 guys reply to my PM to them who did use her services but were not happy with her services. That being said, when I was trying to originally discern the efficacy of her services, I also contacted several guys through PM who had used her services who said nice things about her to get more in-depth analysis of her. Those guys were fairly convincing in their praise of Mila.

At this point, I am not sure who to believe regarding Mila’s services – her supporters or her detractors. I do know I have heard far more positive things about Mila than negatives. But one thing I will not do is come on here and repeatedly (like you do WallM until it just gets sickening) praise Mila or repeatedly trash Mila.

You had a bad experience with Mila, WallM, that is fine. At the same time, a lot of guys have had very good experiences with Mila. You have every right to post about your negative experiences with Mila. But when you do as much repeatedly, over and over and over again, several times per week, week after week……it just gets tiresome and old. Enough already!! 

Look at yourself in the mirror Wallm. Are you a (7), (8) or (9) appearance-wise? Are you a very handsome Man in the face? Do you eat extremely healthy most of the time? Do you limit your intake of tobacco, alcohol and drugs? Do you exercise, at minimum, 6 days per week? Do you have 6-Pack abs? Are you fairly muscular with low bodyfat? Bottom line, are you a “Good Catch” for a Slavic Woman, a “Very Desirable Man” for Marriage for a Slavic Woman, WallM? That is a “Yes” or a “No” answer. There is no grey area WallM. That is a “Yes” or a “No” answer.

If your answer to that question is "No", then you need to cease and desist on blaming Mila for your failures in Ukraine. (There is a reason why Mila's friends were not interested in you WallM). Instead, work daily (As in 7 days per week, 365 days per year) on improving yourself in all aspects of your life. I have no doubt that if a guy is a (7) or an (8) or a (9), handsome in the face in addition to having a rugged, ripped, Schwarzenegger physique…. is very well-educated…… has a good job and makes well in excess of 6 figures…….is a good Christian Man with outstanding Morals and values……he will ultimately be successful in this search whether he is looking in Ukraine, Belarus, Russia, Ethiopia, Cuba, South Africa or wherever.

What determines whether you are ultimately successful is not whether Mila is a (5) or a (10) as a Matchmaker. No. It is how Good of a Man you are WallM.

Less criticizing of Mila. More work on improving yourself as a Man. It is very easy to criticize Mila. It is much more difficult to make enormous improvements in yourself.

Slavic Women do not want to marry a Loser. Slavic Women want to marry a Winner, WallM.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: wallm on November 14, 2017, 11:26:50 AM
dude, I didn't use her services. I was privately warned by a few not to. I encouraged men who recently posted saying they used her services, to post about their experiences, so that newcomers can make informed choices. You sound like a total weirdo. It is precisely clowns like you who had not used her services that newbies should never listen to when they she is recommended to them.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: kynrazor on November 14, 2017, 12:04:15 PM

Slavic Women do not want to marry a Loser. Slavic Women want to marry a Winner, WallM.

So do the majority of us men too, I think? :-\
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Nightwish on November 14, 2017, 12:35:35 PM
Slavic Women do not want to marry a Loser. Slavic Women want to marry a Winner, WallM.

but but.. if your such a winner TMD, how come your not already married, you been at this for a couple of years now.. surely you must have found at least one of all those quality ladies who wanted to marry such a stud and example of a man such as you?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 14, 2017, 12:46:27 PM
After a couple of hours Mila send  a message telling me that lady1 called her.Lady1 was complaining that i was to pushy and she didn’t liked that,but she also likes me and she wants to meet with me next evening with Mila present at least in the beginning.Then we could go for dinner without her.Of course i told Mila that this doesn’t make any sense,since we did exactly that the same day.After that incident i told Mila that it was over with lady1.I asked about lady4 if she was interested meeting me again  but she wasn’t.

Next day Mila send me other pictures of ladies from her database to choose from.Little later informed me that lady5 was back in Kharkov.I agreed to meet her the next day,so Mila told me that she would pick me up as usual.I asked her  to set  the date in the cafe i met lady4 because i liked it.Mila told me that she allready had chosen a place and in fact it was very close to my apartment.I responded to her that i wouldn’t be needing  her taxi services.A few hours later and after much thinking i called Mila again, canceled the meeting with lady5 and told her that i would stop meeting ladies altogether.The next remaining couple days were spent walking arround Kharkov and visiting places.

It was my first experience with FSUW and i learned a few things.I will definitely try again(although with another method).Later i will write about some  things i didn’t like and in my opinion were wrong with Mila’s practices.

Ok, I'm temporarily back for this one, I just can't resist it :D

Osis, have you ever heard the English expression, 'In for a penny, in for a pound', it means that if you you have already spent so much you might as well spend the few extra bob rather than miss out by trying to save a little meaningless spare change.

In other words I would have gone to see girl 1 again if we both liked each other and that was apparent. After all you've already spent on flight & hotel/apartment and however much you've spent on Mila's services to date, so what's another $40-50 dollars or so. Even a known cheapskate on this forum such as myself would not cut it that sharply. After all another flight and accommodation and taxi services is going to cost more for another attempt.

When I first read this I thought myself too that his could just be a way of fleecing more money, even an extra $20 is a lot of money over there, but then again Mila has to make a living presumably to cover the down times like in winter when fewer foreign guys are in town. I would though had said to hell with it, its not going to break me financially to determine from another meeting if this girl is a good one and right for me.

Osis, the downside of using agency people is that you don't know from the offset if its for real or faked admiration/attraction to you to get you to part with more money. I'm guessing as some girls turned you down it may suggest it might have been legit. I would have also met with girl 5 unless you thought girl 1 was so good that there was no point looking any further and go with her. After all meeting women is what you are there to do and if they are delivered on a plate for you (even at a cost) then I would go with that unless I got a really strong whiff that it was all set up bs. The main thing to ask yourself is do you think there is natural chemistry with girl 1? not just a pleasant liking, if there is natural chemistry without any put on attraction by her you might have missed out here. One advantage of agency's is they can deliver women to you quickly, its just a question if its legit :-\

Myself I do think $20 to go 5 blocks is steep, but this isn't a money saving exercise, in the grand scheme of things $20 is little money if you meet the right girl. Again I wonder if Mila adds extra on to cover other business/living expenses and tries to recoup it on over the top taxi expenses. Perhaps she is making a fair old bob, who knows but the concern should be on whether she can bring up the right girl for you rather than her making a few extra $. Ridiculous money I of course would not countenance.

TMD, where is that lovely homoerotic profile pic of you, the forum is just not the same without it ;D

I agree with Wall though on the attitude I do wonder if you come a bit too 'all at once too fast and full on' to the girls you meet try to ease up a little :)

End of the day what Wall has heard and other forum members found may be right, terps/agents being involved in the process can make you wonder if its all a put on affair and/or are on the make. I think some members here though may have the impression that you go over there, spend as little as possible and pick up 'Mrs right' I think the search itself rarely tends to work out that cheaply, unfortunately, lol. 
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: southernX on November 14, 2017, 03:49:50 PM
  steep ??

paying $ 20 us dollars is approx 520 grivnas , that is not steep that is outright theft for taxi fares on a  5 block ride    locals would know this and a noramal taxi might be anywhere from 70- 100 grivnas max for the same trip ...

not reasonable imo

SX
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 14, 2017, 04:24:50 PM
I think if your assessing it as a taxi ride then yes it's a extortionate and it looks like their having you over. However, I would say it's more a dating service your dealing with here. If there are legit women at the end of it that can be brought up on the hoof then overpaying for a ride is not a big deal to worry about. After all some agents charge a lot more overall, say Eduard from what I hear and there are many other that no doubt do so.

Perhaps if economy is important then just state in Email before going you wish to use local taxi and restate this at a convenient time early on meeting Mila. From what I recall her prices are stated on her website so just refer to them. If I were to set up my own meets then of course I would save money it kind of stands to reason that if you use an agent then it's not going to come cheaply at local prices. If a girl duped you then that of course would be a different matter.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: JayH on November 14, 2017, 05:03:49 PM
  steep ??

paying $ 20 us dollars is approx 520 grivnas , that is not steep that is outright theft for taxi fares on a  5 block ride    locals would know this and a noramal taxi might be anywhere from 70- 100 grivnas max for the same trip ...

not reasonable imo

SX

I have no more info than anyone else here -- but -- if a car was ordered at a specific time -the driver waited etc can all equal a real cost.
Of note -- costs have risen dramatically in Ukraine in the last 3 years   eg  the cost of a car,the cost of running a car etc is quite similar to Australia --where cars cost  near enough twice US prices,  fuel cost close to twice US  etc  Needless to say --relative income is much lower in Ukraine.

As an observation -- expecting anyone to do anything for nothing --or next to nothing is unrealistic.

Additionally --- I have a few friends in Ukraine that do interpreting etc and generally help visitors with whatever. Some guys understand that time is money -- some don't ! Some are generous -- some are downright insulting . Some simply have no idea !!!! ;D

Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 14, 2017, 05:15:47 PM
  steep ??

paying $ 20 us dollars is approx 520 grivnas , that is not steep that is outright theft for taxi fares on a  5 block ride    locals would know this and a noramal taxi might be anywhere from 70- 100 grivnas max for the same trip ...

not reasonable imo

SX

Highway robbery?? Try 5000rub to get from SVO1 to SVO2 back in the old days. Ruble was ~27 to 1usd

You are looking at it through the eyes of local. A westerner pay more than a local. One needs to be fluent enough to be able to call taxi to their location and know place going or maybe an address. Sure $20 seems high but if it is her regular price for her taxi( driver & car), you are also getting from point A to point B without a problem. . If you ask for someone to provide any services you pay their rate. I saw Mila's prices on her website and thought they were on high side but if someone chooses her assistance you pay her rate.

I do remember the times in Kiev where paying ~$45usd from airport to centre was never questioned, got me to my place quickly with no problems. Now with skybus and uber, and some knowledge.... there are more options.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 14, 2017, 05:24:44 PM
I used her services, not to find a woman but as an interpreter, and found her to be very good and helpful. However, she did have a way of sneaking in a few fees I wasn't made aware of. Like $20 for her husband to drive me about 5 blocks.

Did you mean a few fees higher than you thought they would be??

You didn't think the taxi's would be free, did you?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: mhr7 on November 14, 2017, 05:27:31 PM
She met me in front of my apartment with her husband and asked if I wanted a ride to the destination or if I wanted to walk. It was only after our business was concluded and I was paying her that she said the (short) ride was $20. She did not tell me this before offering the ride. I thought she was just being friendly since her car was already there. So it wasn't a taxi.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 14, 2017, 06:01:27 PM
She met me in front of my apartment with her husband and asked if I wanted a ride to the destination or if I wanted to walk. It was only after our business was concluded and I was paying her that she said the (short) ride was $20. She did not tell me this before offering the ride. I thought she was just being friendly since her car was already there. So it wasn't a taxi.

Understand situation. A client of mine has on her license plate.... TYMZMNY
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 14, 2017, 10:33:23 PM
Well I've never come across abbreviation like that LA Man, I'm guessing it's something about my/your time & money etc?

It's a bit of a strange one as if Mila went to meeting separate to client presumably she would be out of pocket - fuel & travel time spent and neither her or her husband driver compensated for it. Even if client was to pay for a taxi, ok she does not incur cost but she does not gain and U would assume her husband is redundant for that time unless he works on a job where it's flexible, probably a full time taxi driver, lol. My guess is like said before Mila is spreading the profit making across services as a whole. I think though the more that become aware of the taxi cost the more that will just say, 'ok I'll pay the $50 to meet with each girl & get my own cab'. That is those guys where money is a concern, real rich guys just won't care and with them she probably loves them using her services.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: mhr7 on November 15, 2017, 01:14:07 AM
Understand situation. A client of mine has on her license plate.... TYMZMNY

I would still use her services again if I needed someone in Kharkov.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 15, 2017, 03:51:58 AM
A few things i believe were wrong are:when we met during my first trip in March,among other things she told me about the cost of introduction, wich changed  when i arrived in October.Now,i understand that during the summer Mila ugraded her services etc.  and the changes moneywise  where insignificant but nevertheless she should have informed me since we stayed in touch all this time.

About the “taxi service” i thought that it was included in the intro fee.Again ,i didn’t mind,i used it several times but she should have mentioned it beforhand.

Friends of Mila.Lady2 was friend with Mila for 8 years and lady4 for 2-3(very good friend).Lady1 was an acquaintance for 2 years.In general Mila knew probably all women in her database well.At first i thought that Mila was helping  her friends(lady2,4) finding a good partner(thats noble).But now hmmm,i’m not so sure any more,especialy with lady2(i didn’t want to meet her,but Mila insisted).

One more thing.What happened with lady1,happened.I understand “this could not be the fault of Mila”(i never talked with lady1 directly,she didn’t give me her tel.number,even after 3 dates our communication was allways through Mila) BUT if this lady is still in her database, then there is something ” fishy” or she cares very much for her  :D .

Finally i believe that if Mila wants to be a good professional she should avoid those minor insincere tactics(hidden charges etc).
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 15, 2017, 04:11:44 AM
Sorry the trip did not work out for you. You should definitely post your observations of the women and Mila's services as some former clients have stated before she would use her friends in her introductions to clients.
Perhaps next time just use the recommended dating sites and only communicate with ladies with a good working knowledge of English.
Good luck!
Hi.Will do.
Thanks
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 15, 2017, 04:13:55 AM

Did you ask about marriages/relationships that resulted from her services?
You mentioned speaking chinese, are you of chinese descent?

So, what did you do on your first trip to Kharkiv?

Hi wallm.
Once she showed me a picture of a wedding.the guy was from scandinavia i believe.
No.It was an exaggeretion to show her i didn't care about her english level.
A very short trip (4 days) just to meet Mila and see how Ukraine is.Nothing more.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 15, 2017, 04:29:30 AM

Osis, have you ever heard the English expression, 'In for a penny, in for a pound', it means that if you you have already spent so much you might as well spend the few extra bob rather than miss out by trying to save a little meaningless spare change.

In other words I would have gone to see girl 1 again if we both liked each other and that was apparent. After all you've already spent on flight & hotel/apartment and however much you've spent on Mila's services to date, so what's another $40-50 dollars or so. Even a known cheapskate on this forum such as myself would not cut it that sharply. After all another flight and accommodation and taxi services is going to cost more for another attempt.

When I first read this I thought myself too that his could just be a way of fleecing more money, even an extra $20 is a lot of money over there, but then again Mila has to make a living presumably to cover the down times like in winter when fewer foreign guys are in town. I would though had said to hell with it, its not going to break me financially to determine from another meeting if this girl is a good one and right for me.
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Hi.Obviously it's not about the 50-60-70$.How could i build a serious relationship with a woman who was {to shy?-to embarrassed?-scared?} to meet me alone?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 15, 2017, 04:37:18 AM
Trenchcoat
« on: Yesterday at 12:46:27 PM »
 I'm guessing as some girls turned you down it may suggest it might have been legit. 

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Actually all women wanted to meet me again (after third meeting i started to feel like Brad Pitt  ;D).

Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: GQBlues on November 15, 2017, 06:24:10 AM
This is a good example of what can happen when men need to be hand held to meet women. A good proof of most men's social ineptness. This fact has nothing to do with fat women they allegedly have at home.

That's about as separated from normal as trying to converse with women who don't speak your tongue. Much less marry.

Everything about the MOB is just nuts.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 15, 2017, 07:58:46 AM
Hi.Obviously it's not about the 50-60-70$.How could i build a serious relationship with a woman who was {to shy?-to embarrassed?-scared?} to meet me alone?

Apparently, you said Mila told you it was because her English was not good and there was some reservation/embarrassment arising from this. If there was a bit of shyness, etc from the girl in general then it may just be a case of a few meetings to get used to you, you have after all appeared out of the blue to her. I wouldn't have been so anxious to push for meeting alone if I thought the girl was a good one & legit. The more I get into this FSU dating thing the more I'm realizing that acting with changes in direction can really spook a woman that seems to make her startled and seem sudden to her that she wonders why and this in turn tends to provoke a negative response from her or perhaps erratic behaviour from her. I wonder if TMD falls down here as it seems his personality may be unsettling for a FSW (could be the roids ;D) as they seem to take to more placid behaviour from men.

Of more concern I think is how legit these women are. I know on her website only a year or so ago she used to state that she can hook you up with her friends for $50. Last time I looked talk of the women you meet being her friends was dropped - from what I could see. So how many friends/acquaintances of hers she has for you to chose from and those that are legitimately looking for a guy to marry/move abroad with seems unclear. Is it just a case of linking you up with her friends who take a bung for meeting with you? who knows. I'm guessing being over there you would tend to get an perception if it was upfront or not. What did you make of it? From what I have read you tell us you were given little choice with some off the women that Mila insisted you meet (even though you were paying). While it could be that she genuinely thought you might be a good match it could also be a case of squeezing more money out of the situation. Personally myself I think I would prefer to see the entirety of pics of girls available and take my pick, I mean she might only have a handful of girls available, lol- so hence they are up most of the time for most visiting guys, who knows.

Problem with agencies/agents is being assured they are not pulling the strings behind the scene for their own benefit at the expense of yours.   
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: wallm on November 15, 2017, 08:58:02 AM
Hi wallm.
Once she showed me a picture of a wedding.the guy was from scandinavia i believe.

One couple after many years? Brilliant record.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Boethius on November 15, 2017, 09:15:58 AM
Wouldn't that be contingent upon the number of men she has set up introductions for?  No one can guarantee success for something as personal as a marriage.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: wallm on November 15, 2017, 09:27:12 AM
It is all up to the man and woman after introduction. But the chance of success is limited if the woman is not sincere to begin with. Reading this trip report it seems focus is on running up the tab for the guys. It matches what I had been told. I would think marriages and relationships are the measure of success.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: wallm on November 15, 2017, 09:38:44 AM
My point is simple. People on this board who had not used her matchmaking services, should not recommend her services. It is irresponsible.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Boethius on November 15, 2017, 09:40:00 AM
True, the measure is sincerity.  However, if a woman decides she doesn't want to meet with a man a second time, that doesn't necessarily mean she is insincere.

As for your second point, fair enough.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: wallm on November 15, 2017, 09:53:52 AM
Not every man is a social butterfly like GQ is. Some men lose confidence after a divorce. Some may not want to spend time writing hundreds and then go to meet a few or one. There is a place for matchmakers provided they have good intentions and are not out there to line their pockets only.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Boethius on November 15, 2017, 09:56:57 AM
It's quite a leap to say Mila is just trying to line her pockets.  It could just be that as a matchmaker, she's inept.  Or the "raw material" she is working with is not of premium quality (note - I am not referring to you, osis).

I think if a man doesn't want to spend the time, he probably shouldn't be looking abroad for a wife.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: ML on November 15, 2017, 10:37:07 AM
Osis, did you ever look and read here?

Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
In "Starting Out" section.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Yes on November 15, 2017, 12:51:09 PM
Highway robbery?? Try 5000rub to get from SVO1 to SVO2 back in the old days. Ruble was ~27 to 1usd

You are looking at it through the eyes of local. A westerner pay more than a local. One needs to be fluent enough to be able to call taxi to their location and know place going or maybe an address. Sure $20 seems high but if it is her regular price for her taxi( driver & car), you are also getting from point A to point B without a problem. . If you ask for someone to provide any services you pay their rate. I saw Mila's prices on her website and thought they were on high side but if someone chooses her assistance you pay her rate.

I do remember the times in Kiev where paying ~$45usd from airport to center was never questioned, got me to my place quickly with no problems. Now with skybus and uber, and some knowledge.... there are more options.
Only a fool would have paid that price from SVO1 to SVO2 back in the day.

$20 for a 5 block taxi ride makes minibar prices look affordable.

Currently, there are very few places in the world with cheaper taxi prices than Russia. And there is no city the size of Moscow that even comes close to the price of a taxi in Moscow.

The only place I know that has cheaper taxi prices than Russia/Moscow is Ukraine. Even Mexico is more expensive :P. Moreover, $20 now can get one from SVO2 to the center of town with the gypsy taxi services (many of these drivers speak enough English to do business with for anyone who doesn't speak Russian).

5 blocks cost about $1.50 nowadays in Moscow and using taxi's in the FSU is much simpler yet for the novice, because of technology. All anyone needs is an address.

Mila might be an ok option for finding a girl, who knows? One thing I can agree on is this.

Everything about the MOB is just nuts.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 15, 2017, 02:12:08 PM
I think ML has a good point in the thread/info he listed in lumping paying to see a girl in with PPL. Both of them have had guys who occasionally find success with them but for many the outcomes ate not successful and you never know until too late if any of proposed meetings are above board or just a cash cow for the operator.

I also agree with Wall in that some guys are not social butterflies and never will be and/or do not have hours to spend to write to women. If you consider that meeting one woman that doesn't work out takes X amount of your time that is wasted save for any experience gained or pleasant outing but that essentially you have to go back to square one and start over again. Well to me that iS time inefficiently spent. Even the women complain of keyboard Romeos that write but never come. Personally having done all the months of writing & skyping I would rather forgo all that, spend some time out in FSU and bring them up for meets one after another. I have found from my time skyping that it's not hard to get on well with many a woman, most are friendly but the real problem is you don't know if there is any chemistry until you meet in person. Meeting in person can be like meeting someone that you don't really know even if you have Skype I've found. At the moment I am researching women for a future trip out to FSU to then call up while out there. To my mind that is a logical way to approach all of this.

Osis, I've never used a pay to see girl service, but I know what it's like to return from the FSU with something not working out but knowing what not to do next time. I hope next time will go better for you.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: treadmilldude on November 15, 2017, 02:13:23 PM
And my counterpoint is simple. People on this board like WallM who have never used Mila's services should not be disparaging her service. It is irresponsible and wrong.

Too many Men actually have (unlike WallM) used Mila's services with good results, and were treated very kindly by Mila and her Husband. 

WallM, shut up. Really, just shut up. Your criticism of her services is far outnumbered by people who praise her services. It's about 2 or 3 :1 praise to criticism of Mila.

Neither TMD or WallM have ever used her services, but many many people have. The majority (far more than 50%) of her clients have positive things to say about Mila.

You are a rich Western Man with all the money in the world, more money than you know what to do with. Mila is a low-income Ukrainian woman with a Child and a Husband. Life is very difficult for someone in Mila's predicament.

Until you have actually used her services, shut your mouth, you divorced, bitter, hateful old man. Wow, I am really pissed off!!  :(

For any members of RWD who are wondering whether or not to use her services, I suggest you read all of her posts and posts about her on both RUA and RWD - you need to make an informed decision whether or not to use her services. Do not listen to me or WallM, neither of us have used her services. Instead, do your own due diligence and your own research on Mila. Finally, contact Mila on your own by phone, email or skype and ask to have the email addys of her past clients - talk to her past clients and get the scoop on Mila from people who actually HAVE used her services.

http://www.mila-interpreter.com/

Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: treadmilldude on November 15, 2017, 02:21:40 PM
Mila deserves to be able to defend herself against these allegations. Mila will appear on RWD soon. Hang tight.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: treadmilldude on November 15, 2017, 03:01:46 PM
By far the best method is for THE Man to get on VK and Mamba and him spend a couple months selecting maybe 15 extremely high-quality girls that meet all of his criteria of what he is looking for in a partner. It is stupid, so stupid, to use the girls that Mila chooses for you. I would never in a million years meet any of the women Mila wanted me to meet. I would simply tell Mila  "No, I will be meeting my own women I myself chose" And if Mila is not cool with that but insists on me only using her own friends, then I would smile, politely tell Mila no thank you and then use one of the several extremely fluent women in Kiev I have met on mamba and VK, 4 of which are currently on my friends' list on VK, to be my paid wingman for $100 per day. Any intelligent Man will do his OWN search on VK and Mamba and choose his OWN Women to meet in Kharkiv - then skype with these 15 girls for a month to 6 weeks and narrow it down to the BEST 5 to 6 girls. Then, pay Mila $100 per day while you are over in Kharkiv for her to be your wingman / interpreter / guide and spend all day long with you ($100 for 10 hours of her being with you). She goes with you everywhere, she is your wingman, interpreter and guide. She is with you at all times while you are with your Top 5 or 6 girls you selected from Mamba and VK and have been skyping with for 4 to 6 weeks.

That is by far the best way to do it - YOU the client choose your OWN girls to meet. NEVER use any of Mila's friends to meet. Pay Mila a flat fee of $100 per day. She is with you 10 hours per day for that $100. If she will not accept $100 for 10 hours, then move on and find another wingman(woman) (I have already talked to my 4 girls on VK and they would all give both of their kidneys to be my paid wingman for $100 for 10 hours per day!!) Anyways, as she is fluent in English and Russian and Ukrainian, Mila is a Godsend to you during your meeting with YOUR OWN 5 or 6 ladies. Any misunderstandings that arise - Mila erases those misunderstandings.

There is a proper way to use Mila and a wrong way to use Mila. You guys have been using Mila the wrong way. There is always a better way.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 15, 2017, 04:10:02 PM
Only a fool would have paid that price from SVO1 to SVO2 back in the day.

$20 for a 5 block taxi ride makes minibar prices look affordable.

Currently, there are very few places in the world with cheaper taxi prices than Russia. And there is no city the size of Moscow that even comes close to the price of a taxi in Moscow.

The only place I know that has cheaper taxi prices than Russia/Moscow is Ukraine. Even Mexico is more expensive :P. Moreover, $20 now can get one from SVO2 to the center of town with the gypsy taxi services (many of these drivers speak enough English to do business with for anyone who doesn't speak Russian).

5 blocks cost about $1.50 nowadays in Moscow and using taxi's in the FSU is much simpler yet for the novice, because of technology. All anyone needs is an address.

Mila might be an ok option for finding a girl, who knows? One thing I can agree on is this.

Don't worry, I didn't bite on that 5000rub price. I was waiting for my taxi to take me from domestic to intl terminal. SVO much better now with almost all flights out of D,E and F. (BTW no SVO2 now).

I agree taxi prices cheap in Moscow with apps for Yandex/Uber and Gett @aroiund 1000-1200 rub airports to centre and availability to use aeroexpress trains also.

Most of my post dealt with Ukraine and specifically Kharkov. If you don't know where you are going and how to get there, taxi's are not much help. Plus things need to be in Russian to show taxi driver where you want to go.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 15, 2017, 05:07:10 PM
Don't worry, I didn't bite on that 5000rub price. I was waiting for my taxi to take me from domestic to intl terminal. SVO much better now with almost all flights out of D,E and F. (BTW no SVO2 now).

So all domestic and international flights are now out of the same set of buildings?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: southernX on November 15, 2017, 05:21:58 PM
we have just spent 6 weeks in kiev and kharkiv ....  local taxi prices for such a trip are very low , yes taxi services have improved but not to that high level  for an average service ,  we did not bother to hire a car as taxis are so much cheaper

yes  you call a service and book it via them or negotiate the price you know is acceptable , if you stand as a foreigner on the kerb etc and just take whatever is offered you will pay for it in much  higher prices

max i paid for a kharkiv taxi from airport to hotel in centrum was 350 gv ..that i organised through the hotel early in the morning , so i knew it would be ''higher ''than local price    it is  acceptable for an agent to charge such prices if the buyer is fully aware up front of that ...and its convenient to buyer 

i had one taxi driver who fronted us and asked for 1000 gv for the same trip ?  told him he was insane  & to leave us alone   2 mins later he came back and offered me 200gv in english ??   

as for ''waiting '' iv had taxis wait fir us when we visit the cemetary for up to an hour .no extra charge , similar with visiting the darcha , had lunch and return to city ... we negotiated as per the trip ..   using other services that may be offered is up to both parties to be up front and communicate/negotiate .....  would like to have the other side of the story heard here though .. as it will im sure shed light on our mans trip report 
SX
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: GQBlues on November 15, 2017, 05:46:03 PM
When I was in Russia back in the days, there will always be a lady at the entrance of public restrooms holding what is supposedly 'toilet paper' but rather more like yesterday's crumbled newspaper. She'd charge 10 rubles for the favor.

So Yes! Yes! Yes! I confessed of being the world's biggest dufus because every time I encountered such moments I would happily depart with no less than 200 rubles. Hell, 500 when available.

Did I tell you guys about what I like to do when I depart kiosks after patronizing whatever items I bought from babushkas? A few extras in exchange not just for the item I just purchased, but rather just for a nice smile from a seemingly ‘nice’ stranger that I will likely never ever see again, but the thought of an appreciative smile is something I can carry with me the rest of my life…

Seriously guys, this much diatribe over a $20.00 cab ride/service?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 15, 2017, 05:51:36 PM
So all domestic and international flights are now out of the same set of buildings?

You could say all, there is a terminal B being worked on but if you look at arriving/departing flight for SVO all are from adjoining terminals D, E , F. Seems domestic flights from D. Usually intl arrive/depart from E
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 15, 2017, 06:05:32 PM
When I was in Russia back in the days, there will always be a lady at the entrance of public restrooms holding what is supposedly 'toilet paper' but rather more like yesterday's crumbled newspaper. She'd charge 10 rubles for the favor.

So Yes! Yes! Yes! I confessed of being the world's biggest dufus because every time I encountered such moments I would happily depart with no less than 200 rubles. Hell, 500 when available.

Did I tell you guys about what I like to do when I depart kiosks after patronizing whatever items I bought from babushkas? A few extras in exchange not just for the item I just purchased, but rather just for a nice smile from a seemingly ‘nice’ stranger that I will likely never ever see again, but the thought of an appreciative smile is something I can carry with me the rest of my life…

Seriously guys, this much diatribe over a $20.00 cab ride/service?

GQ, you remind me of my first trip to Russia, to SP. I stayed next to Dostoyevskaya metro and across from Vladimirskaya Church. I visited the church most days to say a prayer for my health and goodwill( beg of trip a disaster). I would donate money and light a candle. When I came outside there was a babushka sitting on curb holding a metal cup out, I put some coins inside and walked away. Next day I went inside, said a prayer, came outside saw the babushka put money in cup and next to her was another, put coins in her cup. Next day, I came walking up to church and noticed 4 babushkas sitting on curb and thought to myself I am going to need lots of coins. ))) So after prayers, came outside and put coins in all 4 cups( less in each cup, not enough coins). Next day....... walked up to church and saw a lineup of babushkas on curb the entire length of church!!!!!!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: treadmilldude on November 15, 2017, 06:16:35 PM
GQ, I love your avatar. I have always been a Don Johnson fan. When I was a little kid, my Sister and I would always watch Miami Vice on Friday Nights. Crockett and Tubbs was THE SHIT man!! LOVE Don Johnson!!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 16, 2017, 03:10:28 AM
What did you make of it? From what I have read you tell us you were given little choice with some off the women that Mila insisted you meet (even though you were paying). While it could be that she genuinely thought you might be a good match it could also be a case of squeezing more money out of the situation. Personally myself I think I would prefer to see the entirety of pics of girls available and take my pick, I mean she might only have a handful of girls available, lol- so hence they are up most of the time for most visiting guys, who knows.
 


I gave her some criteria (age,no child,etc) and she showed me the pictures of 10-12 women.Out of those women i chose 5.Two were out of town,so i was left with 3 and because Mila was insisting meeting lady2
i thought what the heck let's meet her.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Dell on November 16, 2017, 03:15:43 AM
Osis,

We can learn a lot from bad experiences. I know for me, I will not use an introduction service again. I think we will have more success using websites. I hope you have better luck on your next trip!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 16, 2017, 03:18:57 AM
Osis, did you ever look and read here?

Pursuing FSUW 101. The procedures and the dating websites.
In "Starting Out" section.

http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14615.0

Bookmarked over a year ago,joined some websites.Next trip probably to women from those sites.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 16, 2017, 03:27:01 AM
Osis,

We can learn a lot from bad experiences. I know for me, I will not use an introduction service again. I think we will have more success using websites. I hope you have better luck on your next trip!


Precisely.As i posted previously that's my next move.Thanks,good luck to you too.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 16, 2017, 03:37:13 AM

Osis, I've never used a pay to see girl service, but I know what it's like to return from the FSU with something not working out but knowing what not to do next time. I hope next time will go better for you.


That's the point of experiences,to get better and better.Thanks
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Mila on November 16, 2017, 06:38:05 AM
Hello there, I apologize that you haven't enjoyed your trip as much as you would like to. I did my best to provide a good service as well as my husband made sure you were on time and safe while driving around. I think we had miscommunication as for taxi fair, as you thought it would be for free. I think, $20 was reasonable, as we drove to some places even out of the city, plus my husband was waiting, and all taxi drivers charge for waiting time.


As for the lady, you knew she wasn't fluent and you still wanted to see her for a second date. Initially you could only pick those ladies who are fluent. All people are different, some are social and some are not very much, some are open and for some it takes time to open up.


We all learn from mistakes and the most important is not to blame somebody, but find the answer inside of you. Life is wonderful and for every person there is a perfect match, you just have to believe in it and never give up. Good luck!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: ML on November 16, 2017, 09:14:51 AM
Mila, please address specifically the time when you and your husband charged Osis $20 for a 5 block trip with no waiting time.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2017, 09:54:47 AM
GQ, you remind me of my first trip to Russia, to SP. I stayed next to Dostoyevskaya metro and across from Vladimirskaya Church. I visited the church most days to say a prayer for my health and goodwill( beg of trip a disaster). I would donate money and light a candle. When I came outside there was a babushka sitting on curb holding a metal cup out, I put some coins inside and walked away. Next day I went inside, said a prayer, came outside saw the babushka put money in cup and next to her was another, put coins in her cup. Next day, I came walking up to church and noticed 4 babushkas sitting on curb and thought to myself I am going to need lots of coins. ))) So after prayers, came outside and put coins in all 4 cups( less in each cup, not enough coins). Next day....... walked up to church and saw a lineup of babushkas on curb the entire length of church!!!!!!


Hah! Had that been true (well of course it is Batman!), management 101 LAMan. I would've spoken with babushka #1 and tell her I have 500 rubles, 100 of it is hers and the remaining 400 needs to be evenly split between the rest. She needs to take the initiative and implement these simple rules, 1) Let everyone understands that the more of them show-up, the less their equal share becomes, 2) each one is responsible to 'clean' the space they occupied along the church grounds, 3) the program stops at ANY sign of dissent.


Bwalla!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2017, 10:03:33 AM
...I think we had miscommunication as for taxi fair, as you thought it would be for free. I think, $20 was reasonable, as we drove to some places even out of the city, plus my husband was waiting, and all taxi drivers charge for waiting time. ...


Mila-


It isn't so much the rate but likely more about disclosure. Taxis in the US have meters so the customer can see the charges. UBER/Lyft discloses their fees. Limo services do, too. All prior and during the service being rendered.


If you actually have this type of disclosure, then the responsibility falls on the customer. if you 'offer' a 'taxi service', do so by also telling the customer what the terms are or will be. Different people see 'fee charges' subjectively. Some may see it as unreasonable, excessive, fair, or even cheap...but each is entitled for their own assessment prior. Ultimately the customer reserves the right of first refusal. It is NOT up to YOU to decide what is reasonable and what is not.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: BillyB on November 16, 2017, 10:22:16 AM


Hello Mila, posting the cost of your service on your website is a good thing. Posting taxi rates would be another good thing. It's okay to charge more than the average taxi as long as price is disclosed. Many customers think of you more as a friend rather than a person who is working for them so offering a taxi without disclosing there's a cost may be seen as something that is free. Posting rates on your site will give customers notice any ride you offer isn't free and they would have no right to post a bad review. At a minimum notify customers any service outside the package they purchased will incur extra costs.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: GQBlues on November 16, 2017, 11:48:44 AM
GQ, I love your avatar. I have always been a Don Johnson fan. When I was a little kid, my Sister and I would always watch Miami Vice on Friday Nights. Crockett and Tubbs was THE SHIT man!! LOVE Don Johnson!!


Don Johnson?!? Dunno, man. Melanie Griffith was never on my radar. i had always mistaken Don Johnson from Kurt Russel. It must be because of the character Kurt played on the movie 'Tequila Sunrise'.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Boethius on November 16, 2017, 01:12:30 PM
I think we had miscommunication as for taxi fair, as you thought it would be for free. I think, $20 was reasonable, as we drove to some places even out of the city, plus my husband was waiting, and all taxi drivers charge for waiting time.

I think you are justifying a bad decision, as osis was not the only poster to make this complaint.  Even if justified, it leaves a bad taste in the client's mouth, believing he was hoodwinked.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 17, 2017, 02:56:28 AM
I think we had miscommunication as for taxi fair, as you thought it would be for free. I think, $20 was reasonable, as we drove to some places even out of the city, plus my husband was waiting, and all taxi drivers charge for waiting time.


I understand that such services will be overpriced from agencies to make a little extra $.The problem wasn't about the cost(although i did mind with lady5), that's why i used this service 6 times.It was for not informing me.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 17, 2017, 03:20:07 AM

As for the lady, you knew she wasn't fluent and you still wanted to see her for a second date. Initially you could only pick those ladies who are fluent. All people are different, some are social and some are not very much, some are open and for some it takes time to open up.


I didn't had problem with her english level.She did,even though i explained to her repeatedly i didn't care about that.I know from experience and even  from what i read on this forum that if a woman is interested in you,there is no language barrier.
As for the lady,i believe that a 32 y.o. woman should have settled her mind and be ready to deal with a situation like that,before joining an INTERNATIONAL marriage agency.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 17, 2017, 03:21:44 AM
Mila, please address specifically the time when you and your husband charged Osis $20 for a 5 block trip with no waiting time.
Actually it was mhr7.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2017, 08:10:29 AM
I didn't had problem with her english level.She did,even though i explained to her repeatedly i didn't care about that.I know from experience and even  from what i read on this forum that if a woman is interested in you,there is no language barrier. As for the lady,i believe that a 32 y.o. woman should have settled her mind and be ready to deal with a situation like that,before joining an INTERNATIONAL marriage agency.

I'm not sure its meant that there is 'literally' no language barrier, more that if a girl is into you, you can tell just by her eye contact, quick successive eye movement and vibe of excitement. Theoretically you would be happy just to be in each others company drinking wine, holding hands, looking at each other, cuddling perhaps. Limited English from her & use of google translate app on your phone (or similar) should be enough to get you by, it has with me. However, misunderstandings and cultural misunderstandings can arise. For example the last girl I was with shortly after meeting said to me, 'we spend this (first) week together then you come live with me?' I said, 'here in Ukraine?' :o she replied 'yes'. I thought to myself 'boy this girl moves fast, lol'. I told her, 'I can't I don't know Ukrainian and how would I find work' - I had no means of independent income of note at the time and only a brief weekend English teacher training cert. She on essentially picking up on 'no' from me looked somewhat upset and disappointed. I felt a little bad as she seemed to have this expectation which seemed preemptive and unexpected, even unrealistic to me who had just not long ago got off the plane and met her for real (outside of Skype).

I told her 'maybe when we got to know each other more' and she seemed to cheer up on hearing this. It later transpired that she wanted to move in with me in the UK and that is what she must of meant since she specifically stated to me later and repeatedly that she did not want to live with me in Ukraine as she could see no point in this as the economy was bad and what would I do (my original point precisely, lol). So she must off got muddled originally when she was speaking English to me as her English level was was not good at the time - she improved over time, I gave her small amount of money for some English lessons though I really do think she learnt by far the most by Skyping and being with me, i.e immersion. I noted that she tended to get a lot less rusty after being with me a while (since all Ukrainians learn at least basic level English in School). It sounds like lady 1 perhaps was a similar level of English to this girl I was with Osis.

Cynically speaking, stories have been abound over the years of girls faking poor level of English in order to have the terp present - have more money presumably later shared out. I'm not saying this is the case here, who knows, my story highlights how it can be useful to have a terp handy at least initially to avoid these early misunderstandings. Personally like I said before I would have thrown in my lot in a second meet - if only to get a better idea if she really was genuinely into me and it seemed all above board. From what I have seen Russian/Ukrainian girls tend to react badly to disagreements and this seems to scupper many a foreign relationship. It certainly seems to be the case of avoiding disagreements at all costs unless its really is something you feel strongly about and can't budge from or you may not make much progress with any RW.

Osis, it may be worth considering if this girl might be willing to message/skype with you (if Mila would be willing to forward contact details) if she really did seem into you. Again she might be unwilling but it might be worth seeing if she is willing. In general contacting women off websites yourself while its what most of us do its also not necessarily an easy ride - you have to work through what she says messaging you, Skype, etc and understand where the pitfalls are. I found as a Newbie that I was rather in the dark on a lot off this, it comes as the months pass and mistakes are made, particularly when meeting these girls but initially don't expect it to be plain sailing unless you are already good at reading between the lines and being pretty astute. I've managed to avoid all the obvious scammers and had a lot of fun but only now do I think I am getting to a point where I have a better idea of how to go about FSU dating.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: kynrazor on November 17, 2017, 10:06:18 AM
I'm not sure its meant that there is 'literally' no language barrier, more that if a girl is into you, you can tell just by her eye contact, quick successive eye movement and vibe of excitement. Theoretically you would be happy just to be in each others company drinking wine, holding hands, looking at each other, cuddling perhaps. Limited English from her & use of google translate app on your phone (or similar) should be enough to get you by, it has with me.

All throughout my past dating experiences, I have found dating girls with significant language barriers a terribly COLOSSAL waste of time. Misunderstandings aside, getting to know each others' interests, religiosity, aspirations, worldviews, preferences and all other quirks,  will all be considerably more difficult (even with google translate) and delay the relationship-building process by at least almost half a year.

What's the point of putting in the time and effort to improve the girls' english and having a hand in shaping her into the girl of your dreams  :rolleyes: when it could still end up not working out in the end  :'( whilst there could be better, already english-educated intellectual lasses out there among the millions of FSU lasses?  :-\ Next!

I'll rather spend that amount of time writing to thousands of potential suitors till I find the diamond among the rough diamonds.  8) Arguably I would have missed out on hundreds of wife-material lasses but it allows me to cut my losses early and not get too invested early on before I even contemplate a visit to see her. Just my personal opinion backed by the fact that it's shown quite promising results in my quest so far.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Hammer2722 on November 17, 2017, 10:28:34 AM
All throughout my past dating experiences, I have found dating girls with significant language barriers a terribly COLOSSAL waste of time. Misunderstandings aside, getting to know each others' interests, religiosity, aspirations, worldviews, preferences and all other quirks,  will all be considerably more difficult (even with google translate) and delay the relationship-building process by at least almost half a year.

What's the point of putting in the time and effort to improve the girls' english and having a hand in shaping her into the girl of your dreams  :rolleyes: when it could still end up not working out in the end  :'( whilst there could be better, already english-educated intellectual lasses out there among the millions of FSU lasses?  :-\ Next!

I'll rather spend that amount of time writing to thousands of potential suitors till I find the diamond among the rough diamonds.  8) Arguably I would have missed out on hundreds of wife-material lasses but it allows me to cut my losses early and not get too invested early on before I even contemplate a visit to see her. Just my personal opinion backed by the fact that it's shown quite promising results in my quest so far.

Totally agree!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Boethius on November 17, 2017, 11:10:11 AM
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22277.msg471633#msg471633


When a woman makes any excuse, it is just that.  An excuse.  It means she is not interested.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 17, 2017, 12:19:23 PM
All throughout my past dating experiences, I have found dating girls with significant language barriers a terribly COLOSSAL waste of time. Misunderstandings aside, getting to know each others' interests, religiosity, aspirations, worldviews, preferences and all other quirks,  will all be considerably more difficult (even with google translate) and delay the relationship-building process by at least almost half a year.
 

I may be disproving your point. I am about to visit a girl with 'basic' English skills. Very little video and a ton of viber messaging. Her English is veeeeeery bad but her 'looks' are exxxxxotic!!

I think it all depends on the interest in each other to put in time to understand each other. I must say, the girl translates all messages. All messages between us are in English and I keep forgetting she cannot speak English.

My friend married a lady with zero English skills and heavy accent. They were so into each other communication was not a problem with the patience they showed each other. Married for 6 years now. So it is possible, if.....
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2017, 12:29:53 PM
All throughout my past dating experiences, I have found dating girls with significant language barriers a terribly COLOSSAL waste of time. Misunderstandings aside, getting to know each others' interests, religiosity, aspirations, worldviews, preferences and all other quirks,  will all be considerably more difficult (even with google translate) and delay the relationship-building process by at least almost half a year.

What's the point of putting in the time and effort to improve the girls' english and having a hand in shaping her into the girl of your dreams  :rolleyes: when it could still end up not working out in the end  :'( whilst there could be better, already english-educated intellectual lasses out there among the millions of FSU lasses?  :-\ Next!

I'll rather spend that amount of time writing to thousands of potential suitors till I find the diamond among the rough diamonds.  8) Arguably I would have missed out on hundreds of wife-material lasses but it allows me to cut my losses early and not get too invested early on before I even contemplate a visit to see her. Just my personal opinion backed by the fact that it's shown quite promising results in my quest so far.

True to a point the first girl I met had near perfect English and it was a lot easier to understand her, unfortunately the attraction was almost but ultimately not quite there. The last girl was affectionate and there seemed to be some attraction but her lack of English at first was a huge barrier, it was much better towards the end of the first meeting and as the second meeting got on. Time over again I wouldn't have bothered paying anything for English lessons, I would tell her to converse with me more on Skype over the weeks and only after a few months had it not improved much would have paid for lessons. Girls that know English are normally more up for it in terms of getting with a foreigner and it makes the relationship easier at the beginning, yet there are some forum members on here that have got with girls that didn't speak good English and things went well in the end. Personally I would prefer good English but ahead of that I would want to see natural chemistry through quick successive eye movement and vibe of excitement as my main priority. If we are into each other then we can work through other issues as long as she is willing.

There is a thing though that it is more difficult to get closer/more intimate with a girl that does not know English well and tell her your desires and yes that is a real early impediment to a relationship you can do without I found.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2017, 12:36:52 PM
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=22277.msg471633#msg471633


When a woman makes any excuse, it is just that.  An excuse.  It means she is not interested.

You mean lady 1, well Osis said she agreed to a second meet initially but only if terp was present as though she had a level of English she was not confident with it. Only after Osis pushed a bit too hard for her did she back out - I think the compromise was a dinner with terp then they go on alone but this did not suit. So I assume she was interested as she originally accepted without excuses but perhaps this pushing stressed her out. Unless it was just a money generating exercise, perhaps Osis might like to give us his thoughts on whether he thought it was genuine attraction from the female/all above board?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Mila on November 17, 2017, 12:53:49 PM
Hi,


I think it was miscommunication, as if my client doesn't want to use my husband's services of a driver he could tell me about that. We are all mature and grown up people and we can communicate. Or at least, my client can ask me how much will it cost? But no one asked any questions. That's why I created matchmaking  packages for people to avoid miscommunication.


As for the lady, I think if a man knows how to interest a lady she will go one a date with him without interpreter even with poor English. I introduce people, but I am not magic and can't make it work for everybody. I did my best, but unfortunately, not everything depends on me. I wish people the best and I hope you can find your destiny.



Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 17, 2017, 01:24:17 PM
You mean lady 1, well Osis said she agreed to a second meet initially but only if terp was present as though she had a level of English she was not confident with it. Only after Osis pushed a bit too hard for her did she back out - I think the compromise was a dinner with terp then they go on alone but this did not suit. So I assume she was interested as she originally accepted without excuses but perhaps this pushing stressed her out. Unless it was just a money generating exercise, perhaps Osis might like to give us his thoughts on whether he thought it was genuine attraction from the female/all above board?
It was our 3rd date and i was asking for a 4th.As for the attraction there wasn't any psysical contact or anything like that but we liked each other(i think).
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 17, 2017, 06:15:43 PM
It was our 3rd date and i was asking for a 4th.As for the attraction there wasn't any psysical contact or anything like that but we liked each other(i think).

Oh I see, that is making more sense now. Personally if there was no physical contact such as holding hands/arms, even across a table or arm around her, etc then it doesn't look like good signs to me. The first girl I dated for a few days gave me no meaningful physical contact which essentially meant that she was not into me. Again nice personality and we got on well and I think she liked me me in as a person but attraction wise. She smiled a lot when I looked at her and I think this made it difficult for me to ascertain whether she might be into me or just liked being with me.

I can see why you might ask interpreter not to be there so as to be less formal. I would have pressed forward on the issue with her if she was into me before it got to third date, probably on the second one, hold out my hand to see if she would take it, etc and move on from there. If she is or makes out she is too shy/modest then I too would move on. To me I would be concerned that this situation might be a case of a girl leading a guy on - presumably you were paying for all the food & all. A girl that was interested should really show some form of wishing to be affectionate and/or an agency terp some subtle way of bringing things to afore. You said after all that Mila thought she like you, as a 'friend' and as an agency I would have thought suggesting a bit more togetherness would have been appropriate as after all that is what an agency is 'supposed' to be for helping promising couples get together.

Knowing this that you have told me the picture building up is one where I think I would have great reservations using Mila's services in matchmaking.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: BillyB on November 17, 2017, 06:56:59 PM
We are all mature and grown up people and we can communicate. Or at least, my client can ask me how much will it cost? But no one asked any questions.



Not all people communicate the same way. I run a business and when I tell people I can do something for them, I make it clear the costs and what they get before doing it for them.


This one incident got you negative reviews. It can happen again over what you call a misunderstanding. It may have cost you one customer which is much more the cost of the taxi ride. People have given you good reviews and it brought you more business. Figure out how to increase the good reviews and lower the amount of bad reviews. What happened here is easily avoidable.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: kynrazor on November 17, 2017, 10:25:48 PM
Physical contact is over-rated imo, especially for the first date. I don't know about Trench but I would rather spend more time with shy women than attention-seeking or sexually loose women (a.k.a sluts).

If you want physical contact/intimacy, kisses, hugs, hold arm, or something more, you're the man so you're supposed to be the one making the moves, making it appear to the girl as if "oh it just happened". Worst case you get pushed off and lose a good but slow to open up woman  :popcorn:. What more is there to lose?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: msmob on November 18, 2017, 02:58:26 AM
OMG, 'dating advice' from Trench again ((

WARNING, WARNING - please take the 'advice' quoted below with a ( large) pinch of salt ! ;)



Oh I see, that is making more sense now. Personally if there was no physical contact such as holding hands/arms, even across a table or arm around her, etc then it doesn't look like good signs to me. The first girl I dated for a few days gave me no meaningful physical contact which essentially meant that she was not into me. Again nice personality and we got on well and I think she liked me me in as a person but attraction wise. She smiled a lot when I looked at her and I think this made it difficult for me to ascertain whether she might be into me or just liked being with me.

I can see why you might ask interpreter not to be there so as to be less formal. I would have pressed forward on the issue with her if she was into me before it got to third date, probably on the second one, hold out my hand to see if she would take it, etc and move on from there. If she is or makes out she is too shy/modest then I too would move on. To me I would be concerned that this situation might be a case of a girl leading a guy on - presumably you were paying for all the food & all. A girl that was interested should really show some form of wishing to be affectionate and/or an agency terp some subtle way of bringing things to afore. You said after all that Mila thought she like you, as a 'friend' and as an agency I would have thought suggesting a bit more togetherness would have been appropriate as after all that is what an agency is 'supposed' to be for helping promising couples get together.

Knowing this that you have told me the picture building up is one where I think I would have great reservations using Mila's services in matchmaking.

Look Trench, neither you nor I have used Mila and you have a VERY bad habit of dissing the likes of Ed and Mila - not having had ANY experience, personally.

One minute you admit to not being able to read the signs women send out and the next you post like you are an 'expert' ....Sorry, but your advice SUCKS !!! 

What CAN we learn here ?  ....

 I didn't want my hand held - even though it made for some awkward moments with misunderstandings re translations..I'd much rather meet someone that I had corresponded with BEFORE meeting --certainly chatting on Skype or similar - and having some knowledge of that person... otherwise this is just like blind dating ... 

It's a long way to go to experience a lottery - with the same chances of 'winning'.






Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: osis on November 18, 2017, 03:13:23 AM

As for the lady, I think if a man knows how to interest a lady she will go one a date with him without interpreter even with poor English..


Exactly,hence the scepticism.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2017, 05:03:17 AM
In part I agree Mobe, it's a long way to go to experience a lottery but that is what you get with talking beforehand in Skype - you cannot easily tell if there is attraction over Skype as you can in real life, it is essentially what it is, a series of moving picture frames, i.e frame rate. So it is like looking at  a girls photo and trying to tell if there would be natural chemistry - I tried this with the second girl I went to meet and it did not go well as you know. All I would say you might be able to tell from a photo is whether she remotely looks your type and if she looks like she might complement you as Mrs ... Sure even on that you may get it wrong but odds are knowing the type of girl I generally like I would at least get the right type of girl up.

I personally don't see myself going out to visit one again even with back ups. I would rather meet many since even skyping beforehand you are still essentially getting a blind date. The first girl I got on like a house on fire over Skype and we got on well during our dates but she was closed off and uninterested in any physical contact, the natural chemistry just was not there. It's kind of pointless spending loaf's of time on messaging and Skype to keep hitting this problem, arriving and wanting to make it work with a girl that doesn't want it. It's not good for her or me.

As far ad Mila & Ed are concerned well Ed according to his website has a high record of success, one Mila as it sounds would be one for her to envy ;D No I think most people know a matchmaker cannot assure a match/success but I am dubious as to whether that is being aimed at here. I would have thought it to be elementary to facilitate more togetherness between a couple if the girl really did like the guy. After three meetings of both apparently liking each other and being there for the purpose of finding someone (supposedly) they were still at square one. Now apparently Ed charges a lot more than Mila but then again he is in the US where Mila is stuck out in Ukraine. As the article on rich Chinese going out to Ukraine highlighted it is possible to charge a lot out there but only if you have the girls available. This makes me wonder if Mila has much in the way of girls a viable or really knows how to go about this field after all her field of expertise is really as a terp. My thought is if Osis & others from what I have seen on here have the feeling that it's a path to avoid treading again then for many and indeed myself it is another avenue in which money and more importantly time & life chances could be wasted.

I will tell you now Mobers I am just getting started on a whole new strategy for my next attempt at all of this and I'm pretty confident of a good outcome this time :D
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: kynrazor on November 18, 2017, 08:16:41 AM
I may be disproving your point. I am about to visit a girl with 'basic' English skills. Very little video and a ton of viber messaging. Her English is veeeeeery bad but her 'looks' are exxxxxotic!!

Not for me. Neeeext!!  :D :rolleyes: Best of luck LAman, I'm looking forward to your TR :thumbsup:

I must say, the girl translates all messages. All messages between us are in English and I keep forgetting she cannot speak English.

Ah the miracles of the IT age. She can be a 10/10 but I just can't be bothered facilitating or teaching her english. She's going to need it anyhow when she gets imported into my home. :P
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: SANDRO43 on November 18, 2017, 08:37:26 AM
Physical contact is over-rated imo, especially for the first date.
Yes, unless it is preceded by other signs, i.e. her body language ;).

Suppose you two are sitting at a table, and involuntarily:
- Her pupils become dilated (sign of attention)
- She leans towards you (sign of attention and no feel of 'threat')
- She touches her hair frequently (as if checking it is properly arranged)

These signs are all encouraging. However, they do not necessarily mean you have made a kill, yet ;D.

Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2017, 09:23:57 AM
Ah the miracles of the IT age. She can be a 10/10 but I just can't be bothered facilitating or teaching her english. She's going to need it anyhow when she gets imported into my home. :P

You wouldn't necessarily teach her English as such. Basically you just keep the phrases simple, reuse the same basic words when you talk to her. So her English would gradually improve by basic conversations with you rather than you sat down giving English lessons. The context of where you are and what you are doing will help also. She will of course need some basic English to do though no doubt it has been done from scratch before with greater ordeal and difficulty. Yes in any case you will not for a while have deep & meaningful conversation or communicate all your wishes ^ desires through speech.

It's a difficult one I generally would of course prefer a girl to speak good English but whether she is into you is most important I think.

There are up & downsides to girls that know English well and those that don't. A girl that speaks English well can more easily get a job in UK/US and if she is pretty and has good social skills may then be very exposed to guys that may be better looking, earn more & more exciting social life/socially skilled than you. Even if she is facing deportation if she leaves you all she needs is an email address or mobile number of the guy and he can happily sort out marriage of himself to her knowing you have done all the donkey work unrewarded of finding her for him.

You see an apparent 'advantage' can quickly work out to be very detrimental.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: kynrazor on November 18, 2017, 10:01:43 AM
Yes, unless it is preceded by other signs, i.e. her body language ;).

Suppose you two are sitting at a table, and involuntarily:
- Her pupils become dilated (sign of attention)
- She leans towards you (sign of attention and no feel of 'threat')
- She touches her hair frequently (as if checking it is properly arranged)

These signs are all encouraging. However, they do not necessarily mean you have made a kill, yet ;D.

When the giggling fits start coming in and she simply becomes increasingly more agreeable, is usually the moment when I know I'm more or less in the groove to score a great date. ;D

Blimey Sandro, I just noticed you're just a couple of years older than my dad! Very hands-on guy who used to work as a systems-control engineer and had his share of stories of working with programmers of which some were outright hilarious.  :popcorn:
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: LAman on November 18, 2017, 10:23:31 AM


Ah the miracles of the IT age. She can be a 10/10 but I just can't be bothered facilitating or teaching her english. She's going to need it anyhow when she gets imported into my home. :P

If you find someone that clicks with you, wants to speak to you all times of day, shows they care........you can't be bothered facilitating or teaching English??? Look, I have been only dating girls with relatively good English for several years, while it was convenient, didn't proceed to more serious stages. Sometimes you need to have an open mind, who knows if your 'love' turns out not how you pictured!!!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2017, 11:36:12 AM
If you find someone that clicks with you, wants to speak to you all times of day, shows they care........you can't be bothered facilitating or teaching English??? Look, I have been only dating girls with relatively good English for several years, while it was convenient, didn't proceed to more serious stages. Sometimes you need to have an open mind, who knows if your 'love' turns out not how you pictured!!!

Exactly
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: SANDRO43 on November 18, 2017, 12:19:34 PM
Blimey Sandro, I just noticed you're just a couple of years older than my dad! Very hands-on guy who used to work as a systems-control engineer and had his share of stories of working with programmers of which some were outright hilarious.
Well, I worked as a Systems Engineer at IBM Italy in the early 1970s, for 3 of my 30 years there and I, too, could tell a few funny stories about colleagues and customers ;D.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: ML on November 18, 2017, 12:20:27 PM
Mila, please address specifically the time when you and your husband charged a man here $20 for a 5 block trip with no waiting time.
And he didn't know about the amount until later.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: SANDRO43 on November 18, 2017, 12:31:52 PM
BTW, for those interested in additional bahavioural clues to emotional states, here is a page for further reading: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Body_language.

An intriguing related area is that of mirror neurons: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mirror_neuron.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Mila on November 18, 2017, 01:33:50 PM
By the way, I charged $20 total, which included one way to destination area and back, that is 10 + 10. It is fair enough, more than that, I picked up some time a lady from work and we all went to my client's place to pick him up and it is all was included in that price. Honestly, I see no point to argue over it, as it was all fair.


I am sorry you are not satisfied with your trip, but it has nothing to do with me. I only introduce people and I can't make decisions instead of them. Every person decides what is best for him/her. I can only suggest sometimes, but can't influence somebody's choice.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Boethius on November 18, 2017, 09:44:33 PM
You mean lady 1, well Osis said she agreed to a second meet initially but only if terp was present as though she had a level of English she was not confident with it. Only after Osis pushed a bit too hard for her did she back out - I think the compromise was a dinner with terp then they go on alone but this did not suit. So I assume she was interested as she originally accepted without excuses but perhaps this pushing stressed her out. Unless it was just a money generating exercise, perhaps Osis might like to give us his thoughts on whether he thought it was genuine attraction from the female/all above board?


You're missing completely what was going on.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 18, 2017, 10:57:49 PM

You're missing completely what was going on.

Oh, perhaps you would care to enlighten us?

If you mean it might have been a set up in some way that is what I mean by a money generating exercise. Either with or without knowledge of the girl the guy is told she wants a terp present and/or the girl doesn't really like the guy but is just stringing him along to get more money out of him. I know I like a lot of people would wonder at this, after even first or second meeting it sounds dodgy but after third meeting I would start getting very suspicious. It may be coinsidence but it would leave many a man with the impression it was a set up and displeased. I personally can see no reason to have a terp there after first date, ok second I would have agreed with to see but third then a fourth! Like I say it may be innocent but the picture it builds up in most peoples minds is a dubious one regardless. I kind of get the impression from Mila's actions & responses that she has a rather cavalier attitude to the way her clients are dealt with and this would further raise suspicions. This is not to say her explanation for the taxi ride is not a reasoned one but more the way her clients seem to be dealt with in an offhand manner. Shows why using an agent is often not a good idea as client often has little way of knowing if they are straight up or not, particularly if things start to get a bit odd.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: civi68 on November 19, 2017, 05:45:09 AM
Mila made a good point about people making their own decisions. A good service provides interpreters, arranging meetings, and getting around town. After that, it is up to whether two people are interested in each other. Agencies/interpreters have to deal with people, whether it be frustrated/confused men, women not sure what they want, etc. It is a big decision on both parties to commit to a relationship or move to another country so it is common for some to back out when they can't see spending their life with someone. The fantasy of finding a Russian woman or American man often hits the road block of the reality of the specific person in front of them. Some women start out enthusiastic about you and then change their mind later.Including myself, I have seen men meet many women who appear sincerely interested in finding a man but it was not me or them they were looking for. No matter how hard you try to minimize this challenge, whether it be finding the best services, letter writing, Skype, meet many, etc, you can still come back from a trip empty handed.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: mhr7 on November 19, 2017, 05:58:53 AM
By the way, I charged $20 total, which included one way to destination area and back, that is 10 + 10. It is fair enough, more than that, I picked up some time a lady from work and we all went to my client's place to pick him up and it is all was included in that price. Honestly, I see no point to argue over it, as it was all fair.


I am sorry you are not satisfied with your trip, but it has nothing to do with me. I only introduce people and I can't make decisions instead of them. Every person decides what is best for him/her. I can only suggest sometimes, but can't influence somebody's choice.

Hello Mila, do you remember when your husband drove us from my apartment on Sumskaya to the Russian consulate last September? If I remember correctly, your husband drove us there and then we walked back. You charged me $20 for the ride without telling me in advance about this cost.

I don't mean to sound like I'm attacking you because I think you did a great job and would use you again in the future.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 19, 2017, 06:59:19 AM
I personally don't think the $20 fee is the issue here. It sounds like to me Mila averages this out over the day to day meets. Sure it is not as cheap as most taxi's even probably the longer distances but it is arguing over a few coppers. Businesswise it may not be the best move to average out costs like this as customers don't understand easily as it skews the perception of cost to services rendered per journey.

I think the real problem here is perception guys get as a whole that they are being dealt with in a cavalier way and hence lacking respect. Not just not informing them of taxi rides up front but thoughts in whether the women are legit. If a guy is told the girl insists on terp being present for a series of dates but can speak basic to decent English then is told that she is backing out after already three dates because although she says she likes him she does not want to be alone with him yes I think many a man would wonder if it was a put up job.

No a guy can often go home empty handed but if he goes home with the impression he's been had on and dealt with as if he is a pawn in a game or in a cavilier way overall he is nothe going to think well of the visit. I would say on order to avoid similar happening again Mila should state to both man and woman and on her webpage too that unless the gut wants otherwise she will only attend for the first meet and girl should be accepting of this. I personally think though that it is always going too be a bit of an issue with agents whether it's legit or a put up job with many a guy being left unsure which it is.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Mila on November 19, 2017, 02:06:04 PM

We set our rates for driving based on the average use of our clients for the driver service.  The service is not just for driving, but for other services the client may require, such as translation, and ensuring safety.


I should have made this clear to those clients complaining about our fee before any clients used that service.  In the future, I will ensure customers know before they use our driving service what the fee will be, and what it includes.


I apologize to any clients who felt they were not provided a fair service.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 19, 2017, 05:17:31 PM
We set our rates for driving based on the average use of our clients for the driver service.  The service is not just for driving, but for other services the client may require, such as translation, and ensuring safety.

I should have made this clear to those clients complaining about our fee before any clients used that service.  In the future, I will ensure customers know before they use our driving service what the fee will be, and what it includes.

I apologize to any clients who felt they were not provided a fair service.

This is why people recommend Mila (not me, because I've never been to Kharkiv and haven't used her services, although we have corresponded briefly in the past).  She listens to people's concerns, takes note, and does something about it to make her service better.  She's also the only person in her trade (except maybe Stirlitz? can't recall) who has actually apologised on this forum for something which appears to have arisen simply from a lack of communication, rather than as an outright attempt to rip people off (e.g. Anastasiadate, A Foreign Affair, nearly every other agency in the FSU...).

That she's prepared to do this in public, rather than just send the aggrieved person a PM, is a huge tick in my book.

Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: BillyB on November 20, 2017, 03:07:28 PM
I should have made this clear to those clients complaining about our fee before any clients used that service.  In the future, I will ensure customers know before they use our driving service what the fee will be, and what it includes.



Complaints hurt your business. Doing what you just said will help you reduce the complaints.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Trenchcoat on November 21, 2017, 11:13:27 AM
Well that clears up the taxi fiasco, it still leaves concern over whether the guy might be being led on by woman that want repeated terp time & drop out if refused, i.e the guy getting the perception he may be being led on. A solution to that may be needed also?
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: GQBlues on November 21, 2017, 11:39:36 AM
Well that clears up the taxi fiasco, it still leaves concern over whether the guy might be being led on by woman that want repeated terp time & drop out if refused, i.e the guy getting the perception he may be being led on. A solution to that may be needed also?


Yeah. Be a f@#king adult and stop relying on someone else/blame someone else for your own fate!
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: msmob on November 21, 2017, 01:30:17 PM
Well that clears up the taxi fiasco, it still leaves concern over whether the guy might be being led on by woman that want repeated terp time & drop out if refused, i.e the guy getting the perception he may be being led on. A solution to that may be needed also?

Stop posting as if you are a f'n consumer 'expert' ... ;)
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Chelseaboy on November 22, 2017, 02:40:42 AM
Never has so much fuss been made over a $20 taxi fare.

Regarding Mila I've never been to Kharkov so never paid to use her services..but i'd hazard a guess that the women she introduces to foreign men there are the same as women everywhere..if a man ticks all the right boxes then one or more of her friends will be seriously interested in him,if he doesn't it's bye bye.

Us men are exactly the same..we look for a woman who ticks all the right boxes too...it's a two-way street.

As for Mila herself..i travelled to meet a girl in Kiev years ago and I asked Mila for some advice over the ensuing communication between the girl and myself after i'd returned home....and Mila was most helpful in taking the time  to send me an email giving me her advice...i'd say she's one of the good ones.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: ML on November 22, 2017, 08:29:16 PM
Never has so much fuss been made over a $20 taxi fare.

Then you are missing the point.  It is not about the $20 taxi fare.

e.g.  You hire someone.  Within the first week you discover he/she took $2 from the cash register.  You terminate the person.

Should you be criticised by those who say:  My God, it was only $2.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: lyndontom on November 23, 2017, 10:50:13 AM
This is why people recommend Mila (not me, because I've never been to Kharkiv and haven't used her services, although we have corresponded briefly in the past).  She listens to people's concerns, takes note, and does something about it to make her service better.  She's also the only person in her trade (except maybe Stirlitz? can't recall) who has actually apologised on this forum for something which appears to have arisen simply from a lack of communication, rather than as an outright attempt to rip people off (e.g. Anastasiadate, A Foreign Affair, nearly every other agency in the FSU...).

That she's prepared to do this in public, rather than just send the aggrieved person a PM, is a huge tick in my book.


+1. The relationship between a guy and a matchmaker is fraught with issues if there's no open dialogue. I don't think it's possible to please 100% of guys 100% of the time. I've established a friendship with Mila and her husband over the years, so I think it's safe to say we can be honest with each other about things - whether it be me having an issue with the service or cost, or her having an issue about how I may have conducted myself with women or on a date. If some guys don't have the ability to use what's between their ears or aren't able to openly communicate, they'll struggle in Ukraine full-stop. Who can't use Uber or Tinder in this day and age? To spend 2 days just walking around in a city like Kharkov with beautiful women and numerous methods to meet them is a waste if you really want to meet someone.


Unless something changes, I probably won't use Mila's services in Kharkov again, but we've become friends. I met a great lady in the summer because of her, sadly things just didn't work out. I've become pretty independent now in Ukraine and I like to manage my own schedule and choose my own type of lady when I'm there. If it's your first visit, I wouldn't talk you out of it. Like everything, different things work for different people and YMMV.

Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: odba on November 25, 2017, 05:26:23 AM
I had been to Kharkiv in February and hired Mila for her matchmaking. This thread has made me think about posting a trip report. I will do as soon as I find time. Expect a straightforward report and I will pull no punches.
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Anotherkiwi on November 26, 2017, 04:38:22 PM
I had been to Kharkiv in February and hired Mila for her matchmaking. This thread has made me think about posting a trip report. I will do as soon as I find time. Expect a straightforward report and I will pull no punches.

Whether you had good or bad experiences, or a mixture of both, try to be fair in your assessment.  If part of it was your fault, say so.  If none of it was, you're not human.  ;D
Title: Re: Second trip to Kharkov
Post by: Sting23 on November 28, 2017, 06:04:38 PM

There are up & downsides to girls that know English well and those that don't. A girl that speaks English well can more easily get a job in UK/US and if she is pretty and has good social skills may then be very exposed to guys that may be better looking, earn more & more exciting social life/socially skilled than you. Even if she is facing deportation if she leaves you all she needs is an email address or mobile number of the guy and he can happily sort out marriage of himself to her knowing you have done all the donkey work unrewarded of finding her for him.

You see an apparent 'advantage' can quickly work out to be very detrimental.

You still got that defeatist attitude. If she leaves you more than likely it was your fault for not keeping her interested.  And even if her English isn't that great she'll learn it much quicker if she needs it for work or a social life.

I would rather a girl speak good English, that's one less thing to worry about.  But cross that bridge when you get there.