My forthcoming trip to Kiev in December 2015

[LAman]

It just goes to show that different strategies work for different personalities.

I've met more than 50 but less than a 100 FSUW on Mamba. I did write a gazillion
letters and I would rather do my own dental work than meet girls in a club. Maybe
it's my age, the loud noise, the cigarette smoke, the late hours and the type of girls
that I've met in a club, but I do far better with women who can hear me speak and
that I know how old they are in advance.
 
My advice is do what works for you, your personality, your situation and your goals.

Udachi!

Bill

Bill....you think, maybe the dating scene has changed some from your dating days???
Mamba is a thing of past now. Look at who recommends it??? Married guys???

[ML]

BTW ML, I walked right by TGIF in September, it was still a restaurant but I could have sworn it was still a TGIF., wasn't paying much attention while dragging the luggage!!

It closed in early November.

[ML]

Mamba is a thing of past now. Look at who recommends it??? Married guys???

What do most of the guys in 'Singles Bars' have in common?

They are married.

[BdHvA]

This is another option, not a hotel, but not quite an apartment.

 www.aparthall.com

Close to the Intercontinental Hotel, plenty of places to eat. They serve a decent breakfast and leave you alone. The view if you get an East or North facing apartment is great.

[LAman]

What do most of the guys in 'Singles Bars' have in common?

They are married.

 

[GatoMoon]

To cut the story short, my biggest fear is that I will get stood up at the airport.   So far, I have been 100% success rate with my predictions with total of 9 different women (including 2 of them as 'friends').  8 of them have met me at the airport while 1 didn't.  The one that didn't, I already had predict she wouldn't meet me and therefore I asked my good friends to meet me instead, and turned out that I was right!  My gut feeling says that she will not be at the airport !!!  I hope I'm wrong this time!!!!  I really do!   

Reason for my gut feeling:  She didn't even ask me for flight details when I told her that I booked the flight.  I had to give her at the end of our chat.  Yesterday she thought I fly out on the 14th!  Not paying attention to my details ???    Like I said, I hope I am wrong, but I need to be extra careful in case I'm right!

I MUST BE NOSTRADAMUS!!

She wrote me a letter  (I am due to meet her tomorrow) - see below

my love I feel so bad, I have very bad news for us, I was crying, very bad feeling (I called my mom that my grandmother is very ill, and she needed a job to return to Kiev immediately (so I'm going to her grandmother in Kherson and had a meal today in a taxi at the earliest avtrbus (I take a job tomorrow will be online (I'm sorry that we can not meet (

[2tallbill]

Bill....you think, maybe the dating scene has changed some from your dating days???
Mamba is a thing of past now. Look at who recommends it??? Married guys???

You sound like my kids. I wasn't dating back when the Beatles were still
touring, or in wagons while on the Oregon trail, I was dating 3 years ago.
Back then when I was dating they had electricity and even running water
and you didn't have to worry about Indians scalping you either.

I just logged on (at the risk of getting keeeeled_and there are 761,681
online.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1556434974/album_photos?album_id=1556434976&#photo_id=1556435685&album_id=1556434976

This girl seems cute and knows English, if I were single and got stood up at
the airport I might ask her too meet me for tea or coffee.

This girl might be interesting, and she speaks English as well.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1235004030/album_photos?album_id=1235004031&sp=2#photo_id=1496529569&album_id=1235004031

[2tallbill]

While checking online this girl, (I looked at her profile. Asked me what I was
doing since my profile says I am married. I said that my friend traveled to Kiev
to meet a girl, and at the last moment she decided not to meet him. She asked
me for his photo.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1508598210?hit=3

Who knows, a guy might ask her to have tea or coffee and strike up a conversation.

I told the girl that I would suggest he contact her and got offline before my wife
found out and cut my heart out with her sewing scissors. I could get keeeeeled
I risk my life just because LAman thinks my advice is outdated.   
Innocence is no excuse!!


Udachi!

Bill 

[GatoMoon]

While checking online this girl, (I looked at her profile. Asked me what I was
doing since my profile says I am married. I said that my friend traveled to Kiev
to meet a girl, and at the last moment she decided not to meet him. She asked
me for his photo.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1508598210?hit=3

Who knows, a guy might ask her to have tea or coffee and strike up a conversation.

I told the girl that I would suggest he contact her and got offline before my wife
found out and cut my heart out with her sewing scissors. I could get keeeeeled
I risk my life just because LAman thinks my advice is outdated.   
Innocence is no excuse!!


Udachi!

Bill

Will she want to meet him (me) ???

[jone]

ABSOLUTELY!

[Noch1]

you can go at this two ways, ahhhh poor me, shucks what should I do.
Or damn that sucks, well I am going on holidays and see some sights
( get educated a little towards FSU) Maybe I could try some of this meeting girls.
nothing but pluses, whats the worst could happen, she says no.
Or cost you a coffee, maybe a sandwich and says not interested.
Big deal, lives short, live it.

If you can't handle what just happen, this adventure is not for you,
read some trip reports, nobody said this was easy.
But most always had some fun along the way.
Beel is even risking his life to help.

[LAman]

You sound like my kids. I wasn't dating back when the Beatles were still
touring, or in wagons while on the Oregon trail, I was dating 3 years ago.
Back then when I was dating they had electricity and even running water
and you didn't have to worry about Indians scalping you either.

I just logged on (at the risk of getting keeeeled_and there are 761,681
online.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1556434974/album_photos?album_id=1556434976&#photo_id=1556435685&album_id=1556434976

This girl seems cute and knows English, if I were single and got stood up at
the airport I might ask her too meet me for tea or coffee.

This girl might be interesting, and she speaks English as well.

http://www.mamba.ru/mb1235004030/album_photos?album_id=1235004031&sp=2#photo_id=1496529569&album_id=1235004031

First of all, it was very nice of you to risk your life!!! Your first girl doesn't ever 'reply' and your second girl is closer to 65kg. Both cute pics though. How do you know the second girl speaks English well ....did you actually SPEAK to her???? I haven't been on Mamba in long time, I still get emails about 'looks'. Most girls there are just to socialize or if looking for a guy, someone local or similar in age. JMO

Would have been best if OP just had his plan B. I would have just casually went to a couple cafes, drinking spots and relaxed, much too cold to take in the cool sites in Kiev!! Maybe best if OP just walked around centre and got his bearing straight.

I wish Gato a good time.

[2tallbill]

Will she want to meet him (me) ???

Who knows? send that girl (and 80 others) a letter. The more times you put your
mug out there the better your chances are. You only want to meet girls who are
interested.

Udachi!


Bill

[GatoMoon]

you can go at this two ways, ahhhh poor me, shucks what should I do.
Or damn that sucks, well I am going on holidays and see some sights
( get educated a little towards FSU) Maybe I could try some of this meeting girls.
nothing but pluses, whats the worst could happen, she says no.
Or cost you a coffee, maybe a sandwich and says not interested.
Big deal, lives short, live it.

If you can't handle what just happen, this adventure is not for you,
read some trip reports, nobody said this was easy.
But most always had some fun along the way.
Beel is even risking his life to help.

Do you really think it is easy for a deaf people to do meetings and having 'coffee'?  If you are not deaf, then certainly you CANNOT understand.  It takes time getting to know the real me - that's why WOVO suits me better.   

[2tallbill]

First of all, it was very nice of you to risk your life!!!

Angel Eyes has a new pair of stainless steel Fisker sewing scissors

Your first girl doesn't ever 'reply'

Not everyone can be as tall, exciting and dashing as me 
If you have trouble getting responses then search only for girls online, you will get
a lot more responses.

and your second girl is closer to 65kg. Both cute pics though. How do you know the second girl speaks English well ....did you actually SPEAK to her????

The second girl is 157 cm or 5' 1" so I doubt that she weighs 65kg or 143 lbs. If she's
not your cup of tea don't write her.

I said "This girl seems cute and knows English" I didn't say she knows English well.
She says she speaks English in her profile, you or somebody interested in her needs
to do their own due diligence. I spent all of two minutes searching on Mamba, you
are the one that asserted they went out of style back in the Precambrian days when
I was still searching. 

I haven't been on Mamba in long time, I still get emails about 'looks'. Most girls there are just to socialize or if looking for a guy, someone local or similar in age. JMO

Exactly!

I recommend finding girls who had no intentions of relocating. Find a good girl
without an agenda that you make a connection with and then romance her.
Searching at this level is more of a numbers game. You send off a hundred
letters, get 27 dates and 4 super prospects, narrow it down to one and go
from there. Rinse and repeat

Would have been best if OP just had his plan B. I would have just casually went to a
couple cafes, drinking spots and relaxed, much too cold to take in the cool sites in
Kiev!! Maybe best if OP just walked around centre and got his bearing straight.

I wish Gato a good time.

You can incorporate both your plan b and mine together. There isn't any reason not
to go out and smell the roses and see the sites, but add in my plan of arranging some interesting girls to meet as well.

Udachi!

Bill

[akadoc]

Apartments in Kiev may not be cheaper than hotels any more.  Before I posted the recommendation for the Hotel Rus a few hours ago I did a Google search for it just to be sure it was still in business.  I just went to close out that window and noticed the I had pulled it up on Hotels.com.  When I stayed there I was paying about $ 100.00 a night as compared to $ 60-80 for an apartment.  Just to see what the prices were now, I entered a random date in December and was quoted $ 36.00 a night.  Since that includes a really great free breakfast that is a bargain.

My girl just got us an apartment in Kiev. Looks nice has jacuzzi tub and all the first class amenities. $33 a night for 5 nights.

[2tallbill]

Do you really think it is easy for a deaf people to do meetings and having 'coffee'?  If you are not deaf, then certainly you CANNOT understand.  It takes time getting to know the real me - that's why WOVO suits me better.   

I didn't know that you were deaf. I don't know how much that limits you and your
prospects. HOWEVER, don't be the one to limit yourself. You only need to find
one girl to marry.

I have a wacky idea, go to the school for the deaf in Ukraine. I know that sign
language is different between the two languages but I am positive that you
would generate some interest there.

http://www.gallaudet.edu/rsia/world-deaf-information-resource/deaf-orgs/local-orgs/ukraine.html

[GatoMoon]

My girl just got us an apartment in Kiev. Looks nice has jacuzzi tub and all the first class amenities. $33 a night for 5 nights.

If you never met her, you should find your own apartment for your own safety.  She could've hired boyfriends to beat you to death and take everything you have got.

[Noch1]

Do you really think it is easy for a deaf people to do meetings and having 'coffee'?  If you are not deaf, then certainly you CANNOT understand.  It takes time getting to know the real me - that's why WOVO suits me better.   

I didn't realize you were deaf. I did not read this in any of your previous posts.
Sorry if I missed this.. This does change the search to a degree.

[jone]

If you never met her, you should find your own apartment for your own safety.  She could've hired boyfriends to beat you to death and take everything you have got.

.

She doesn't need a boyfriend to take everything.  She is perfectly capable of doing that on her own.

[JayH]

Gato-- I  just read about your previous id here-- I think it would be fair to say in the past that I was not hostile or rude toyou--BUT-- reading the Gato posts recently I had you pegged as a complete useless idiot with no hope.
In the only post I made in one of your recent threads your reply was less than gracious- to someone who took the posts at face value and replied.
What I am seeing now is a "woe is me" approach that was not the case in earlier times.
Since reading of your specific issues sometime ago now--I have noticed many people in Ukraine "signing". I have often taken notice of this .
Without wishing to sound condescending or glib-- I have often thought this would be easier than translating spoken Russian or Ukrainian.
What I am most curious about is this-- you had all the information and background to agencies,websites,girls etc-- so why were you persisting in being a believer?

[BdHvA]

Gato,

I did not pick up in prior messages that your deaf. My bad, perhaps.

But I know in the Ukraine region there is a LARGE population of deaf, they mostly sign.

My suggestion stop playing the silent martyr and get out and about.

No one will bite you; unless you ask

[BdHvA]

Gato,

To humour myself I went through some 90 postings of yours. (I am downloading a massive file) While I may missed it you do not indicate that you are deaf. I suspect from some of your replies though you have some sort of chip and are extremely defensive.

My opinion this will not work for you in the fSU.

[zooble]

I think this is the first time most people are hearing that you are deaf (no pun intended). It does help us get some context.

I think that with this FSU search starting with writing to girls, it almost seems perfect for you.

I've said it before, Mamba seems to have a lot of flakey girls. It's almost like a chat program that is also used for dating. Girls will chat with you but meeting one is pretty hard in my opinion, even if you are in their city at the time.

[Noch1]

Ya I did the same thing, so when you don't like what you read,
you drop that on everyone, Class guy eh?
Making anything an excuse for your mistakes, doesn't change the mistakes.