Go with the Mexican. 8):ROFL: Why did I know that was coming?
My most flattering comment came from the doctor who said she seen many naked men in her life and I certainly don't have anything to be ashamed about.
I suggest you do a porno and call it Bill and Ted's Rooskie adventures. Who wants to be be Billy's Ted?
I know disappointment as much as anyone could, but in the end my
hopes were found with the lady in the picture with me.
Best hopes for you and the other sincere members.........
Karl
Not sure your complex with the Russian man. But most women like men who give them tons of attention. Most women do not stay married long to men who give them to much attention. You seem to give a ton of attention to women.
you seem like you really need to come out of the closet and fully embrace the fact you like the Russian women hunt and will never stay married long.
Maybe this guy?
If you are honest enough to tell your dates about even the third part of your TR ,
you have a risk to stay alone the rest of your life
The phones are def a biotch!!! Anton wasn't able to get thru to her either?
and the last thing I want is to lose it because you think I'm using you as a piece of meat.
Billy,
You are having a great time, admit it. When these two college kids arrive, life will really become crazy.
...."whoooo....whooooo.....does anybody hear that train coming?"
Billy, Of course you haven't posted much about those college girls, but maybe they are just looking for a place to live and are thinking..Billy he is such a nice man, so polite etc. etc. Paying their own way so as not to give the wrong impression.
Billy,
Seems you've covered most of the scenarios with these two RW coming to live at your house and specifically the one that you have some pre-arrival interest in. Maybe you did mention it earlier in the thread and I missed it but, what will happen if you have serious interest in this woman but she has none for you? Maybe she even finds another to give her affection and attention to. What does that do to the living arrangement?
If any relationship is going to work between us, she needs to understand that I have much more life experience than her and she's going to have to trust me on a lot of the decision making and that I'm better qualified to lead our family down the right path. I have the patience and tolerance and it's okay with me if I have to teach her many things in life as long as she's a willing student.
Right or wrong...they are never wrong and almost always have to learn things the hard way! :D
Billy I am sorry if my comment added to your pain. I intended no insult to you, I was speaking about "testing using a fake profile" in concept and not how it applied to your situation.
From my experience, once a RW determines that you're a MAN, she will listen to what you have to say and accept it.
LMAOROTF! I have never met an FSU woman that would agree with that! Right or wrong...they are never wrong and almost always have to learn things the hard way! :D
From my experience, once a RW determines that you're a MAN, she will listen to what you have to say and accept it.Ha-ha-ha! :tongueout:
boaterguy, why? I totally agree with what BillyB said in your quote.
More than that, an educated RW as I am, I would consider putting Billy's words in my profile. I'd be a willing student in relation to a man who 'd teach me many things in life that he knows.
boaterguy, why? I totally agree with what BillyB said in your quote.
More than that, an educated RW as I am, I would consider putting Billy's words in my profile. I'd be a willing student in relation to a man who 'd teach me many things in life that he knows.
Lily, It has been my experience with the FSU Ladies I have met. FSUW for the most part are very independent and accustomed to doing things for themself's.Independent? Yes
. FSUW for the most part are very independent and accustomed to doing things for themself's.
Billy, perhaps the reason why some women look elsewhere is that they have husbands who try too hard to be the MAN ;)
Actually, I'd like Billy's precise definition of what it takes to be a MAN...
Lily, I can't recall whether you have ever been married. Women are more likely to say such things before they are married IMHO ;D Afterwards, they are more likely to share Doll's opinion, and my wife would certainly agree with Doll :)
Well, we apparently are different people. I wasn't married, but believe that living with my boyfriend for a few years does count nevetheless. He was an indisputable head in our small home, and I believe that I agreed with him about almost everything. It is just not in my nature to argue with my man. But other women may have a different picture of spousal life.
Well, we apparently are different people. I wasn't married, but believe that living with my boyfriend for a few years does count nevetheless. He was an indisputable head in our small home, and I believe that I agreed with him about almost everything. It is just not in my nature to argue with my man. But other women may have a different picture of spousal life.
I believe this sums it up: "If any relationship is going to work between us, she needs to understand that I have much more life experience than her and she's going to have to trust me on a lot of the decision making and that I'm better qualified to lead our family down the right path. I have the patience and tolerance and it's okay with me if I have to teach her many things in life as long as she's a willing student."
This is what being the man is all about according to Billy's own words.
Some years ago Facetrock went on a VO trip and his gal was going to be somewhere else for a good part of the day so her friend was his tour guide for a while. Her friend occasionally tried to hold his hand and cozy up to him but Facetrock maintained his distance. Later Facetrock's gal thrillingly hugged him for passing the test she administered. He certainly scored big points with his woman. Nobody in the forum accused his gal of being low class and sleazy.
What if you hadn't agreed with him about everything? Would you have been willing to have your husband make all the decisions even if you did not agree with him?
1. You were total soul mates, like long lost twins:) and your opinions on things simply happened to be the same as your man's?
2. When your opinion was different from your man's you let him decide anyways because he was undeniably and objectively smarter than you/knew more about life/had more life experience/never ever made mistakes etc?
3. you did disagree with you b/f but he made all the decisions anyways simply because he had a p...s (was a male of the species) and you both believe that fact alone entitled him to exclusive decision-making?
but really this thread has some odd things in it that i'm just surprised noone has pointed out.
now if it was a TR.. :rolleyes2:
Dears, now I try my best to recall how it all went. May be I don't quite understand what a disagreement means.
Billy has a more traditional approach, man is the decision maker. It doesn't mean he isn't sensitive to the woman's position, or he is a MSP, just one method of conflict resolution and if both parties agree to the system, it works good.
Today IMO many men are trying to be a "new age sensitive man" and it is all well and good, but in the area of conflict resolution, leaves the potential for a "dead lock", who will give in? who will opt. for the greater good? IMO in a situation where there is a clear decision maker and he/she has the best interest for all, is the best.
There WILL be conflicts of some sort in any relationship. Anyone who doubts it just hasn't been in a relationship long enough to speak out.
Lily, I can't recall whether you have ever been married. Women are more likely to say such things before they are married IMHO ;D Afterwards, they are more likely to share Doll's opinion, and my wife would certainly agree with Doll :)That's just true! "I listen to a man because he is a man" can not be applied to RW. NFW :D
Again, "if both parties agree." Billy's model, IMHO, will lead to the husband ranging from the benevolent dictator to the tyrannical despot.
The type of man you refer to IMO should not be married (unfortunately there are some like that)
I will disagree with you here. Solutions can be found. Sure, it will take take and yes it will require a lot of discussion and a fair dose of compromise. However, if you spend enough time talking, and are open to ideas from the other, you can eventually come to a decision where neither will feel as if they had to give in and where both will be happier in the end IMHO.
What you say here applies to any model, a good man can make a decision taking in to consideration both his and his wife's needs. His decision does not always have to mean he gets his way.
Here, I agree with you. The question is how people resolve those inevitable conflicts.
That's just true! "I listen to a man because he is a man" can not be applied to RW. NFW :D
What you say here applies to any model, a good man can make a decision taking in to consideration both his and his wife's needs. His decision does not always have to mean he gets his way.
Aww Lawrdy! Whatever happened to that whole neck / head / household analogy again.The answer is immigration+Russian nature.
Babushka Rules, Baby!
Best to leave things as they are, LOL. Otherwise The Sphinx may grace this thread with his meanings of life rant, too.
The answer is immigration+Russian nature. Who is "babushka"? You mean old fashion relationships? Forget it.
We learn from AW very fast. :D "Sure, honey-sweetie-sugar!" And we do what we need and want
LOL, this is an example of modern times!
Billy has a more traditional approach, man is the decision maker. It doesn't mean he isn't sensitive to the woman's position, or he is a MSP, just one method of conflict resolution and if both parties agree to the system, it works good.
Today IMO many men are trying to be a "new age sensitive man" and it is all well and good, but in the area of conflict resolution, leaves the potential for a "dead lock", who will give in? who will opt. for the greater good? IMO in a situation where there is a clear decision maker and he/she has the best interest for all, is the best.
There WILL be conflicts of some sort in any relationship. Anyone who doubts it just hasn't been in a relationship long enough to speak out.
"New age sensitive man"? What tosh. :rolleyes2: Not unless that's your label for a man in a partnership of equals. In a relationship where "dead locks" about very important issues arise, like for instance whether to have kids or not, perhaps it's a sign that the relationship shouldn't exist in the first place. After all, partners are supposed to be compatible and very serious issues without possible compromise should not exist.
Don't you think in a partnership of equals that two people can agree upon a dellagation of responsibilities? Including making an ultimate decission?
Daveman, my wife wanted scrambled eggs for breakfast and I wanted pancakes. We decided to compromise and eat an omelette. Should I call a divorce lawyer this afternoon LOL! My advice to those who want a perfect relationship where they will be the man, make all the decisions and never compromise: stay single ;)
Misha,
Not sure what you are talking about, seems you forgot to post something?
Do you think my marriage is a charade? What could you possible know about it?
Sure I just missunderstand.
As BF says. Are you telling me that some men are so fragile in their masculine identities that their wives must let them think that they are making all the decisions? In other words their wives will happily tell them what to decide or as Doll says will say yes and then do as they please. Seems like quite the charade to simply have the pleasure of going to a forum and say "I am the MAN" ;)
I think you are the touchy one Misha, what I said was that I was sure I missunderstand.
I never wrote anything which could be missinterpreted the way the highlighted portion of your quote implies.
If you don't care what other people write here about their own experiences, does it mean you are only here to teach?
As I said earlier, to have the decision making role does not mean that one gets his/her own way exclusively. It just means that they take on the responsibility to make the final decision in matters where there is doubt.
I myself in our relationship have this role and my wife and I allways discuss things and I appreciate and respect her position completely.
So when this good man doesn't get his way, who, really, has made the decision? ;D
Or is it important for this man to be the nominal decision maker while his good woman does all the real decision making?
Not sure what you mean by "doesn't get his way",Misha means that "his way" contradicts his wife's opinion.
To answer your question, no I do not think it is possible.I don't think so either- when one makes the decisions and the other relies on it (making the decisions), it is NOT an equal partnership, it is not a partnership at all.
Not sure what you mean by "doesn't get his way", if he is the one making the final decision, then he does actually get his way, maybe without his wife he would have decided differently, but when man and wife work as a real team, her wishes will allways enter the equation.
Let me make something very clear here also, I think someone mentioned it earlier in this thread. If a man and a woman are far from each other, or differ in their principals or values, etc. They are by no means marriage candidates IMO.
Misha; “Ah, so what did you imply by your reference to "new age sensitive men"
What I mean, is a man who is trying to comply with what he thinks others will view as PC or modern, without being sincere.
However as you probably would agree, there do come times when we don’t agree 100%, it is only normal (and of course after discussion of a suitable amount for the issue). We find it works quite well for someone to have the responsibility of the final say. Something this can include and does, is the decision to turn over the authority to the other person in certain matters.
Some of us actually prefer being married to women who are our equal partners. I want a wife, not a student (as Billy seems to be implying in terms of his preferences and his definition of what it means to be a "man"). Has nothing to do with being PC or being modern.
In my experience, if both put the effort into it, they are quite capable of finding a solution that is good for both. Yes, it requires more time, yes it takes more effort, but when you do it you will both be much happier at the end of the day.
A real team, IMHO, means equal partners and equal partners means that both have an equal say in making decisions and an equal right to veto any decision made. Doll is right, if it is done otherwise, then it is a boss-employee relationship or parent-child relationship.
Yes, but you are also the one, along with Billy, implying that a real man must make all the decisions. A husband and a wife can share the same principle that they are equal partners and one does not make all the decisions, even if they promise to consult :rolleyes2:
A real team, IMHO, means equal partners and equal partners means that both have an equal say in making decisions and an equal right to veto any decision made.:applaud:
Why are you so threatened by what I and my wife have?
But PLESE try not to put words in my mouth.
Misha,
Come on, are you showing the way you can discuss things?
Show me my words, which lead you to believe I implied anything about the behavior of a "real man".
I have tried to clarify this to you, but to me it seems you are too much in a froth to understand.
Also I didn't mean that I though Billy was a "new age sensitive man". I don't happen to agree with his position either, but I think you have lost touch with that fact as well.
Glyden, I am really starting to wonder about you.... The only one in the froth seems to be you. Let's see, you seemingly agreed with Billy's definition of the need to be the man which is to be the decision maker and you threw in the "new age sensitive men" snarky comment to clearly put down those who do not agree that to be a man can also mean wanting to be in an equal partnership that some of us call marriage. Clearly, you do not want to acknowledge the intent of your own words. That is your problem, not mine.
Good, because this is certainly not what you were implying. So tell me, what is it that you actually believe?
As far as the "new age sensitive man" thing, I have explained it briefly already. These are guys who are trying to be someone they are not. Trying to conform to an image of what their concept of societies expectations are of a modern man. Not sincere about their beliefs.
Daveman, my wife wanted scrambled eggs for breakfast and I wanted pancakes. We decided to compromise and eat an omelette. Should I call a divorce lawyer this afternoon LOL! My advice to those who want a perfect relationship where they will be the man, make all the decisions and never compromise: stay single ;)
I couldn't care less if I had scrambled eggs or pancakes for breakfast.
Turbo, I do hope you understand that the smiley face after my quip about scrambled eggs versus pancakes indicated that I was being facetious :rolleyes2:
I still say it's give and take... for example, in your Pancake vs Scrambled Eggs scenario... In reality, I'm pretty sure that after such an altercation with any of the FSUW I've dated, I'd simply 'take' the pancake from ass and 'give' it to the dog. Give and take... yeah, that's it!
Billy has a more traditional approach, man is the decision maker. It doesn't mean he isn't sensitive to the woman's position,
Not a case of good or bad but just different.
...As a life partner, I strongly believe my wife need to be satisfied with her own self and worth before she can find contentment in our relationship. ...
... a submissive woman who feels that making me happy is all about cooking me hot meals and getting herself wet on demand.
buuuuuuuuuuut... on the other hand..... :evil:
I guess some people think I'm a tyrant now because I don't think like them?
I agree Billy, I always call it the "natural order of things"
The women who are wife material are the ones who want to be taken by the hand and lead thru life by a respectable man. This is the nature of a woman.
Men are traveling 5000 miles to date women because they dont like AW or aren't happy with them. Then treat these women the same as they would an AW and expect something different.
Men are ashamed to admit they are a man. WTF!
Remind me again how many times you have been to Russia and how many Russian women you have actually met, dated and married ;)
I would hope my woman is in a relationship with me because she trusts and respects me to make a good call when having the final say. I really don't care if she makes more than 90% of the decisions as long as she has a track record for being right more than wrong.
For sure, I abhor a submissive woman who feels that making me happy is all about cooking me hot meals and getting herself wet on demand.
If you want to get a better idea of where the average RW is likely to stand IMHO, go reread Doll's posts.
Remind me again how many times you have been to Russia and how many Russian women you have actually met, dated and married ;)
I don't think this is a right/wrong thing. It is just an example of how people are different.
No, it is an example of how some men can hold the oddest of beliefs IMHO about Russian women without actually having met any Russians or even traveled to the FSU. If men believe that they will find hordes of submissive women willing to let their men decide everything for them, let me get my popcorn ready. There are going to be plenty more train wrecks :hipdude:
I have known women (and dated them) who wanted to be submissive. And not (just) in a kinky way, they wanted a man to lead so that they could follow. And there are many shades in between. We are only focused on extremes. We all fall somewhere in the middle and make our own choices. I see nothing wrong with that.
To each his own.
You see, what women say they will do before they marry and what they actually do afterward are not necessarily the same thing :-X
If she trusts and respects you enough to leave the "final say" to you, why would she even bother to make the other 90% of the decisions. Why not leave ALL decisions to you, since you're so trusted and respected, and lead a life of a careless child held by the hand and led through life? ;)
On the other hand, if you trust her with 90% of decisions (provided she has a good "track record" -why not trust her with a "final say"?
Why does a woman who cooks to make a guy happy and gets horny for him associated with being submissive? Can these things happen because a woman loves her husband?
I certainly hope that my wife/partner is not lost of her individuality, thereby affording me limitless luxury to decide for us simply because of her gender, or mine.
If I'm a complete idiot around the house and spend more than I can afford, a woman shouldn't marry me if she can't respect me. Women tend to marry older, mature men because they want a man they can depend on, not a child.
Because the other 10% of the time can be bad or fatal.
So yes, for me...I absolutely abhor a submissive woman. It screams helplessness...and my role in it isn't such an admirable position either.
But that's just me... ;)
So you assume that a woman makes bad or fatal decisions 10% of the time, whereas YOU make good and safe decisions 100% of the time? :D And based on this assumption, you want to reserve the "final say" in any matter deserving of your special attention?
So yes, for me...I absolutely abhor a submissive woman. It screams helplessness...and my role in it isn't such an admirable position either.
But that's just me... ;)
I have this horrible image in my head from the past. I was at an outdoor event and saw this couple meandering along. This woman was just railing towards this sheepish looking man. His arms were full of bags and what nots and looked as though he was beat down to nothing. His spirit was broken. But the lady kept barking orders and making demands. He walked like a hunch back but kept up with the wailing woman. He was trying to make her proud. What a man.
Oh,Oh,Oh,oh, hold it my mind was drifting....my apologies.......back to the subject....yes we are different.....there are followers and leaders.
Oh,Oh,Oh,oh, hold it my mind was drifting....my apologies.......back to the subject....yes we are different.....there are followers and leaders.
You should reread Doll's posts. Throughout her time here, Doll have talked about a few less than desirable things in her relationship with her husband. She gave me the impression she's not in entirely ideal relationship. Maybe there's a neverending battle for equality happening? Until she finds happiness I'm not sure a relationship of equals is the answer she's looking for.Doll didn't post about herself, Doll knows RW :D
True leaders lead by example and trust others to make decisions 8)+1000
True leaders lead by example and trust others to make decisions 8)
GQ, If you are happy with your wife's personality, individuality and how she treats you, great. I hope that is the reason you married her so why would you or anybody want to change anything?
I have this horrible image in my head from the past.
Yes that's what I said there are leaders and followers. 8)
Women tend to marry a man that they don't have to teach and babysit so most likely the man should have more life experience and wisdom compared to his woman and in a relationship, his decisions are going to be better.
Let me guess, you consider yourself a leader :ROFL:
Well hell yes, My occupation required me to be in the lead to receive the largest paycheck. If I was following someones back bumper at the end I lost. Its breed in me. :ROFL:
An assistant manager working at McDonald's could just as easily say the same thing :evil:
How true. My same thoughts about the men on here who claim status with big numbers and big travels.
Yes, best that the men who have never actually been to the FSU or have never been in a relationship, let alone married, to a RW lead the way :rolleyes2:
Please tell, how do you know who is who? Tell me how you know who is dating? who is married? and who has been where?
Let's see, there is the little status bar to the left. In your case, it specifies, Times to FSU: None.
Dont beleive everything you read. This is rule number 1 in forum participation.
PS. I tried to put 35 it would not allow me. So instaed of putting a false number I left it blank :-X
RW are anything but not submissive.
Why do you guys keep assuming my type of woman is submissive?
If any of you guys are having a rough time in a relationship with a RW, then that is your experience.
The RW that I know, although they may start out stong, opinionated, independent, they turn out sweet, kind, inviting me over for dinner giving back, and depending on me more often.
Maybe RW like me and trust me? How do I or any guy gets to that point? I get to that point for a good reason.
The relationship is more like a partnership.
My kind of woman is strong but knows how to be a woman and not afraid to be a woman.Which is?
Doll, I assume you married your husband because he shares the same view on your brand of equality within a relationship.No.
Billy, I do have a final question. You see yourself as the more experienced teacher who will guide the woman who will be your wife. What happens when she catches up to you? Eventually, all students will know as much as their teachers, many will even surpass their teachers. What then?
When you come to this forum, you normally are not happy with your relationship based on your posts. I've never seen you brag about your husband and express joy about your marriage. When you are more happy and positive about the current relationship you are in and when you say equality in a marriage is what makes you happy, I will start to believe you. I'm not pointing fingers at you or your husband but something needs to happen so when you come to this forum, you come with happiness and speak of positives things about your marriage instead of negative.Billy, you're missing a lot of Russian mentality, also, a lot of Doll's posting on this board.
Even if Doll and other RW come forth to tell me the kind of RW I'm looking for is rare in the USA, I won't believe them because I've dated more RW than theyThe truth is - I've not dated RW at all :D
Misha, if you are thrilled with your marriage and think it's perfect, why do you get so worked up when I search for something differently in my life and the women in my life appreciate the kind of guy I am?
Why do you accuse the ladies in my life of being submissive when in fact they may do things for me simply because they care about me? Maybe they care about me because I sincerely care about them?
Start a thread and dedicate it to your wife and tell the World why she is so great and makes you feel like a MAN. So far I'm not convinced you're happy in your marriage because you're spending a lot of time on the internet being grumpy. I hope Doll too would be inspired to create a thread on why her husband is wonderful.
I am a happy man.
No matter what you say about RW based off your experience, you're not going to scare me away from them. Even if Doll and other RW come forth to tell me the kind of RW I'm looking for is rare in the USA, I won't believe them because I've dated more RW than they and they
Don't be jealous. Figure out what you need to do to make your wife/gf happy enough to want to feed you with her own hands too.
I also want to point out that the ideal that you seek is quite rare to say the least.
We (Russians) call it "regardless". Regardless what he does or thinks, he is mine and I am going to keep him. So, without opening my own thread, I am talking of my husband.
Sorry doll, your post and this thread reminded me of this commercial (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BMdiRkiYREU), LOL.:ROFL:
Seems to me that Billy has a very peculiar idea of what living in an equal partnership is actually like...Oh, please! See how often Billy refers to sex? :D :D :D
Billy, I'm curious if you've ever had a situation where you've had to take major decisions with one of your girlfriends about something very important and something you disagreed about? Or are all these posts just rhetoric of idealised imaginary situations of you having the final say? If not I'm sure I'm not the only one that's interested in hearing what it was about and how that went for you.
Billy, I'm curious if you've ever had a situation where you've had to take major decisions with one of your girlfriends about something very important
Because the other 10% of the time can be bad or fatal. Baseboard heater touching couch equals fire. Hanging something heavy on the wall without a stud available for the nail/screw to anchor on is bad. Sheetrock is nice but not strong enough for heavy items. How many examples do you want?
I have been nonstop involvement with RW since 1998 in short term, long term relationships, friendships and marriage.
:D :D :D
I'm still waiting for him to admit that he assumes HIS OWN decisions are safe and right 100% of the time.
That is right, you were married to a woman from Ukraine. Did she agree with you philosophy? Did she accept you being being responsible for all the decisions in your household?
See how often Billy refers to sex?
I'm still waiting for him to admit that he assumes HIS OWN decisions are safe and right 100% of the time.
Misha, and I see RW differently and it's quite possible we're both right. You think most RW wants complete equality in a relationship and I think most RW want a leader in the relationship.
And of course we'll never really get them because we approach life, relations, and situations in very different ways.
Bluesfairy, I'm right 100% of the time. Are you happy now. :D When I make a decision on something, there's usually a good sound reason behind it. If I don't have the answer, I will educate myself to get the answer instead of guessing. RW that know me appreciate the fact I'm honest with myself, them and that I'm not going to guess on something that may have disastrous results. I have the ability to be right most of the time because I understand I don't have all the answers.
Well, none of us know what women really *want*, and the ones who truly know the least about what women *want* are the women themselves. Why? because they are hippocampus driven creatures wanting whatever they *feel* at the moment. >:(
What women "feels" can depend on the man that stands next to her.
Man #1 after dating 10 RW says "All RW are biatches that use men and throw them away"
Man #2 after dating the same 10 RW says "All RW want equality within their relationship with a man"
Man #3 after dating the same 10 RW says "I'm thrilled with RW because they treat me like a king"
Based on how the 3 men are and how they behaved with RW, they all got different results. They will come to this forum and tell you they are right in their assessment of RW based off experience and... they are right.
And what is your point? What is it that you conclude?
I conclude most RW are sweet, kind, generous, like to cook, take good care of their house guests and I feel like a king when I'm with them.
Also, you have to distinguish the treatment of a guest, with that of a husband after many years of marriage. Guests are always treated differently than members of a family.
To me, this topic is really a dead horse beater because of course women don't want a controlling idiot, and of course women want a strong man who can make decisions, and of course they want the confident alpha male. And of course they have no clue what they want because it varies according to the situation and what they feel at the time. And of course we'll never really get them because we approach life, relations, and situations in very different ways.
This will be a touchy situation and the RW I'm dating may not like me at this time but they will respect me. Once I make a commitment to someone, I will not cheat on that person and play games with other women. The RW may be disappointed that I did not choose them but my guess is that if I'm available again, they'd be happy to have me in their lives again.
but to imply that RW in *general* find a REAL Man so irresistible,(and with such respect and high regard) that they will play second string, or bench warmer..
:ROFL:
Many women would rather be #2 to a MAN than the #1 woman to man will less than desireable qualities.
Finally, what will you do if the young women who will be living with you apply the same principles to you? What if they start dating younger men that they will naturally meet once in the USA?
If you would read everything you would have noticed I've already stated up thread how emotionally devastated and jealous I'll be if things don't work out with them. Guess. If things don't work out, would I kick them out of the house or not? Do you think those ladies would have accepted my offer if they thought I was mentally unstable or they may be on the street?
How would I feel they apply the same principles to me? READ my last post about how I feel on the second string benchwarmer position of a woman I'm dating finds a more desireable man.
Yes, some women will cry if I end my friendship with them. It doesn't matter if I enter into a relationship with a woman younger or older than I, I still am the same guy and if it doesn't work out with a lady I enter into a relationship with, I am the same guy. If a woman I once went out with doesn't want to go out with me again, the problem lies with her and her jealousy because I certainly haven't changed and will always be the same guy they once enjoyed being around. Today I feel they are my friends. Tomorrow I may want more serious relationships with them. Some men and women fall in love at first sight, others may fall in love with a person over time.
To many, perhaps most women, you are not "the same man" that you were before you broke it off, after you break it off. What you are at that point is a man who rejected them.
those students had to pay/consign serving agencies upfront from their side of the border who will coordinate employment, living arrangements, airfares, etc..for qualified applicants and these are part of the documents that they must have with them prior to acquiring their visas.
Are you a registered home-provider or employer with one of these agencies, or affiliated to a non-profit one like this one (http://www.cetusa.org/offers/work-and-travel-program/for/how-it-works) here?
Just curious...
Women will think completely different of you after you break it off with them once, doing it because you've chosen another is a double whammy IMO.
I was curious too and asked questions and the RW told me for the J-1 she had to show proof of airfare and be fully medically insured and she could work anywhere as long as it was non skilled work. She was here last year so I guess she know what she's doing since her visa is approved.
There's not much more I can say on this. Some of you guys are failing to understand that I'm friends with the RW I'm dating, not their boyfriend
Once they exercised their 'contract period', they would have about 3 weeks of freedom to go out on their own within the US, and they would all normally meet out here in LA and just party.
noone would shed tears if it was so * casual*.
that is not my experience with RW
The rest can be found here (http://exchanges.state.gov/jexchanges/private/swt_faq.html#validation).
The above statement found in your link tells me that every agency or non profit organization does things differently. I remember the RW profile where I read she wanted a job in LA. She is ready to bolt on the job the agency said they found for her. Maybe it's perfectly legal for her not to accept a job she doesn't like?
My secret profile found out that the RW who said she'll come my city was not only working in NY last year but she went to other cities and South Dakota to meet a boyfriend who is no longer her boyfriend. She never told me this because she probably doesn't want to talk about her ex's if she's thinking of a relationship with me. I have no problem if she's had past boyfriends. It happens. The fact is if she can travel, then she can get away from NY or the base where the agency is located.
You may have misunderstood. The specifics was for an additional job, not the primary.
Some have to pay their way over and with some the employer pays for their travel. Some can change jobs and some can't. Some provide for lodging and some don't.
You might have misunderstood me.
Your post upthread however told us she's free to work anywhere she wants, whomever she wants as long as it is a non-skilled work. This does not fall in the 'summer' 'work' travel' program. It may fall in the temporary non-immigrant work program, which technically can take as much as a 12 month period (i.e. BrianW's au pair love interest), but not the former. Or at least not what you're trying to lead us to believe before.
I told you I done some reading and come to the conclusion what she said can happen...can happen. Why are you continually saying this can't happen and doubted I did any reading on this issue?
You mean after I gave you the link that you likely didn't even know existed, or otherwise would've given it in the first place. Yeah, now I do and I'm glad I can help... :)
I stand corrected - partly.
The redundancy department's once again reports, no participant traveling under the SWT program can seek employment all on their own wherever or whenever they feel like it. That's basically the premise of your argument when you said they are free to work "anywhere they want" as long as it is a non-skilled work. This is all up to the respective sponsor's discretion NOT the participant's themselves.
Also, once they complete their primary obligations (work) slated in their respective programs, they are forbidden to get any other work. The period left in their visa (30 days) is supposed to be spent 'in preparation of their departure' back to their home country.
I didn't come here and tell everyone I have all the answers which you seem to be doing.
I told you I done some reading and come to the conclusion what she said can happen...can happen. Why are you continually saying this can't happen and doubted I did any reading on this issue?:)
I've been playing defense while you've been playing offense. How about you play some defense and tell everyone why you spent days and hours posting and researching an issue that doesn't affect you? Is it because you care about me?
Maybe it's just easier to find one lie which would make everything I've said null and void?
I'm off to a lunch date with a RW. Be back in a few.
I think there are some "agencies" (I know some are in NYC) that specialize in this and probably know of every detail and exception...and every trick in the book. And of course they have offices in other countries and somehow they must be making money $$$. I knew a couple college girls from Omsk, a few years ago who each said they had to pay about $3000 each to come here and work in Disneyland
I guess since no mention of what can and can't happen with the J-1 in your last post GQ and considering you or I don't have the complete answer on what can or can't happen with the J-1 visa the RW has that's coming to visit me, you now agree a J-1 recipient can live and work anywhere they want outside of an agency agreement if they have their own finances to do so?
It is rare for a woman to cancel a first date. 20% seems very high.
I've found that going outside into the sunshine away from the keyboard for hours a day can help change ones perspective and overall health. Golf and fishing are nice.
She is not the J-1 visa girl I wanted to meet. The one who was coming to visit me from Russia by way of NY has decided to accept a job in NY. She told me I was more important than work but in the end, work was more important. Lucky I did not put my life on hold many months for her but I did lose other opportunities to invite J-1 visa recipients to my city to work. The others are now in America and situated in various cities throughout.
FWIW, I know some Bulgarian chicks who do this every year. (And no, they are not looking for older men to romance, just a nice place to stay, and they usually find a few men willing to help them out after a little flirting.)
Billy, wasn't this the 20ish college chick whom you claimed was sizing you up to be the father of her children? And she had accepted that you were the boss and would make all decisions because you had more life experience, etc.?
20th college chick? You guys do get worked up and refuse to comprehend everything. Half the dates I go out with are older than I because of my choice to do so. Young chicks don't have all my attention.
Does it really bother some of you some young ladies like me? Does it bother you the 18 yo virgin is inviting me to Ukraine and Libya and her mother wants to speak to me?
Billy, read again. That's 20-ISH, not 20th.
you've been bragging about your dating exploits for some time now
If I were not dating any young ladies, I doubt I'd have many of the reactions I'm now seeing.
yes you ruffle some feathers at times , not because other posters are jealous,
mostly because you post some strange thoughts or ideas.
it's really that simple, read into it whatever you want.
yes i find any man your age ,, not desperate , who is dating so abundantly locally ,at all ages.
strange in even contemplating chasing/dating any 18yo , anywhere ,particularly across and ocean.
If you dated her locally , i would find the situation odd ,regardless the age of consent.
everyone has their very own personal line to cross though ,and i accept and recognize that.
I certainly date younger than myself, but i do look at profile ages and eliminate ones that would be so young as to just be silly in my opinion, but that's me .
Any other poster here (unless quite a young man) would likely take some flack for dating an 18yo, even if it is just one.
You shouldn't expect to be immune ,just because noone else should *cough* care.
i have never once asked on a first date with a RW ,or any other date,
how i compare to a russian man, or to any other man.
To me it just isn't relevant ,and is an odd question.
the only important thing between us at that time , is how she felt or responded to me ..
i was asked out,randomly , by a complete 18yo stranger- to the *prom* of all things this spring :D too funny! i felt like fonzie lol
and no i did not go , or even entertain the idea of seeing this girl.(an american girl)
it was flattering and amusing ,not to be taken seriously at all for me.
If you can do so,more power to you.
but yes dating someone that that age,even once,much less flying to see them if you do,
you will take some flack , and i do realize you do not concentrate or target that age .
nor realistically should you ,that's the simple truth...
if we cut the PC stuff.
A lot of men here have 18yo daughters ,if you showed up at he door ,
no matter what quality man you feel you are ,, things would not be comfortable i would bet.
There is a reason for that.
Too funny. Kind of sad for the girl, though (no offense intended). She probably doesn't have a prom date.
lol certainly no offense taken! :)
i kind of thought that too (no date?as she was quite attractive)
and caught a bit off guard to be honest - I asked!
she just said she had seen me at the beach and at this store a few times and wanted a chance to talk.. I was buying flowers ,and she said they would match her prom dress and she din't have a date ,would i take her..
like i said it was a bit amusing ... she's outgoing enough! and i'm sure this girl found a date no problem at all, and of a more appropriate age... I can't imagine what she had thought that whole scenario through lol!!! but how may people that age do? ..
that's the whole point
You say I'm bragging and SJ thinks all the women I associate with are garbage.
Why, yes it is... I've yet to meet an 18 year old who truly had/has a clue about anything much, except for myself of course, I knew anything and everything.... seems I've evolved to higher levels of stupidity since then.
It wasn't too far in the distant past when young girls of 14 were given in marriage to men of any age for a variety of reasons. So I guess the age taboo is a rather recent development. Of course, that doesn't address the feelings or desires of the girls involved.
I ;D
Billy, you have posted the 18 year old is a quality woman, lives her life by God, etc., etc. You don't know any of this. You haven't lived with her. All you have to go by is words on a screen.
Also, an 18 year old who values a good education isn't spending her time trolling for men on the internet.
Finally, if she comes from a "good family", they won't be thrilled to see a man twice her age show up at the door.
it is good that a guy like Billy will hit the problem straight on - and probably early -in a new relationship.
It might help to be honest about our real OBJECTIVES ? BillyB are you really serious about finding "the one" at this time? (that is the sub heading of RWD - GMN - "Get Married Now") If not, then enjoy the journey and live an interesting life. It seems you are accomplishing that. If you are TRYING to find Mrs. Right at this time, it is going to be complex. Choices have to be made.
If it does turn out that Billy winds up with the 18yo, and they both are happy, I'll be glad to wish them well.
for what it's worth, the women that I define as "quality" women, women that are "independent", "strong", "intelligent" and the many other adjectives you tend to use, would not be queuing up for the privilege of joining Billy's harem.
I'm not saying the women that do are garbage either
Why Daveman even 12 was considered a ripe age for marraige, but only after her first period.Because that meant she had finally become fertile and could therefore start her child-machine career ;). An understandable arrangement, considering life expectancy and child mortality in ancient times - and current times in some seriously under-developed countries, e.g. in Africa.
She doesn't spend hours on the internet like video chat girls so I doubt she is trolling for men. Some dating sites and marriage agencies list when the members are online just like this forum. One can observe how many times they show up and how long they stay. She comes online for a few minutes a day and sometimes she'll tell me "excuse me, I will not be on the computer for a few days because I have exams to study for. She lives in Libya currently so there's probably not much for her to do in her spare time. I doubt there is even a disco there so I'm surprised she's not on a computer anymore than what I've seen. I know she reads a lot of books and tells me about what she reads. If I took my secret profile of a handsomer, younger, and more successful man and asked to meet her, I will be money she will turn him down. If I accept her offer to meet in Libya or Ukraine, I'm sure I'll be the only man she's seeing. I don't want to make a commitment yet and I told her to hold off making a commitment to me until we get through some serious Q & A.
There are a few men here that married very young women twice their age. Are all the ladies from bad families too or only the ladies I associate with are from bad families?
Boethius, you are very liberal and I'm sure you have no problems if your daughter exercises her right to an abortion if that's what SHE wants someday but yet you are giving me the impression that you want to control your daughter's life in some form and have a say on who she dates. Does her happiness matter to you? Guide her but don't control her.
Age differences bother you. For other parents they are concerned with much more important things such as if a man their daughter dates has good character, wise, and can provide for their daughter and grandchildren. Age will become less of a factor for them. I seen photos of older members here with their young wives and the wife's parents and the parents look happy. If they didn't like their wife's husband, they probably wouldn't be in any photo with him and kick his butt instead.
If I took my secret profile of a handsomer, younger, and more successful man and asked to meet her, I will bet money she will turn him down.
You don't or you do think the RW I'm dating are quality? :rolleyes2:Mr Black and white huh? Put it this way, I wouldn't paint them to be the picture of perfection you seem to, and one of the main sticking points for me is that you claim they don't care that you sleep around. Another is that you say they are willing to relinquish their will to yours; these things strike me as attributes of weak and insecure women not of strong independent ones. Now, these qualities don't make the women bad people and for some men I guess these qualities are welcome, but please Billy, don't try to redefine reality and use adjectives which just don't fit to make these women seem more than they are.
Awhile back, a man came here wanting opinions if he should propose to his girlfriend who worked as an escort even before she quit her job. I told him commercial sex workers usually have mental scars, have a hard time breaking an old habit, and don't turn into wife material overnight. You defended commercial sex workers and mentioned your experience with two prostitutes you spoke with on the internet. You mention they were getting educated and seemed intelligent. They wanted to have a threesome with you and you admitted to considering it. Maybe you couldn't afford it or couldn't take a vacation to fly to them but if the circumstances were right, you would have had your threesome. I have never had a threesome and never used commercial sex but I find in odd that you are taking a "I'm holier than thou" and "I'm a one woman at a time" tone with me.
SJ, when you first came to this forum, you were exactly the way your name sounds. When you got married, your posts change to a more positive tune. You are back to being negative. You need to get yourself to a happy place.
...My lunch date was a first date. The RW is older than I. About half my regular dates are with women older than I ages 42 on up. Half my dates are older because it's my choice on who I want to call and go out with. Older women know how to take care of a MAN better probably because they have more life experience.
...Here is a message I got from a RW 2 days ago. I wrote to her like everyone else. If she's good looking in my eyes, I write not reading her age or profile. She's 18 but I've gotten letters like this from older women too. The reason I'm showing this message is to give some of you an idea how a sincere family oriented woman writes regardless of age.
...If I go to Ukraine and I look the same as my photos and conduct myself well, I'm pretty sure this woman will be my wife.
". She understands it's her husband's right to take liberty of her body. Although she may or may not like the physical stimulation of sex, she will enjoy sex because it brings her happiness in pleasing her husband in any form or frequency he desires. "
Is this for real? You believe this?
Women may not talk about it so much here but sex is important to them. A few guys may have experienced what I've experienced. When having a long intimate love session and taking a break, your RW may roll over, do some thinking and start crying. She will ask "Why didn't you finish?" It is important that you finish whether it's in her or on her but you must finish because she needs to know that you had complete satisfaction with her body and you are not rejecting her.
There is less to worry about if the woman has strong belief in her faith and believes in God. It is okay for a woman to submit herself to her husband. Nothing wrong with submitting yourself to a good person. She understands it's her husband's right to take liberty of her body. Although she may or may not like the physical stimulation of sex, she will enjoy sex because it brings her happiness in pleasing her husband in any form or frequency he desires.
Some of you are probably getting enraged but don't worry, I'm not selfish and I will submit my body to my wife to please her too.
... but in practice almost always confuse honesty with civility.
She is talking to men online, is she not?
You are mistaken about my "liberalism", Billy. I am not pro feticide (let's call it what it is). I think abortion is a sin. However, I don't think it is my place to decide what other women should do with their bodies, or how they live their lives. I will not be standing beside them in God's judgment.
a very high proportion of women you are dating had previously been in abusive relationships. Judging by your posts this perentage to me seem extremely high.
Why do you think you tend to attract women who used to be abused?
P.S. Do you really believe a typical Russian male is an abusive drinker?
Why do you equate cooking dinner and washing dishes to caring for a man or traditional values? I mean why do you think if they cook for you they are going let you make decisions? It is completely different things.
It does not mean that I am happy to wash that stupid dishes and cook every day only because once in a lifetime he put she shelf up in the kitchen.
I did not read the context of this statement so maybe I am missing something.
What type of man would be satisfied with such sex? Not me, thank you. Well maybe sometimes if in a high testosterone mood and needing a quick release. But not as way to express and enjoy intimacy with the woman you love.
The first time you insinuated that it's not appropriate for a young lady to talk online, I thought you meant for hours everyday. I agree but with your need to repeat I understand that you think it's wrong period. I hope you're not putting a muzzle and earplugs on your daughter. She needs to talk to guys as she's growing up. If you protect your daughter from experience interacting with men, she will not be able to distinguish who's a better man later in life. The clumsy talking good guy or smooth talking bad guy.
They were scared as if it's weird for a man to ask them out. You are a Canadian woman Boethius and I hope you don't make the same mistake some American mother's make guiding their daughter to grow up being paranoid of men.
When I first wrote to the 18 yo, she said she is mainly looking to improve her English with people all over the World. Now she sees me as relationship/husband material. 6 months communication with her and I have never written or said anything I'm ashamed about. She has never written or said anything she should be ashamed about. 18 yo girls on the internet get thousands of mail from all kinds of guys. They get all kinds of offers. Use your imagination. They can become jaded, big headed, and begin talking as dirty as men have talked to them or simply frightened of all men. The experience can alter them mentally if they aren't focused or guided to stay on the right path. The RW who communicates with me has maintained her composure, morals, and values.
When she was trying to get rid of me she said "mister! please you have to sonsider the idea that it's may be better to not write me anymore!! you are too old for me!". "may be you can't see i am 18 and u a 33"
Since you think abortion is murder, I hope your vote accordingly. Liberals tend to value freedom of choice in the matter. God will judge your vote. God has allowed us to live our lives but we have man's laws in place to discourage murder. So far society hasn't labeled abortion murder but you do have some power to put in people in charge who will create laws to discourage it.
AJ, you mentioned a lot in your post but my secret profile is not me.
I don't write the same.
If it is used, it is to get into the mind of someone to better understand them that they aren't insincere or talk nice to me but crap to others.
What would ladies think about me dating others you mentioned? I am not in relationship with any woman and I don't think about who RW are dating or talking to. It doesn't bother me.
If you want a woman to date only yourself starting with the first date because that is your belief,
I could tell the 18 yo if she wants to make a commitment to me, she has to take her profile down and only talk to me. I'm sure she'll do it but I am not ready to make a commitment to her until we get through more Q & A. I told her I can't make a decision on her yet.
Using a secret profile is deceitful at best.
your secret profile seems juvenile to me
I for the life of me do not see what you gain from these *tests*
I thought I answered your questions earlier but you two don't seem to get it. I will explain a little more to hammer home the reasons behind the secret profile.
It's my life and I'm responsible for taking care of it and keeping crap out. I have two kids. I have an ex wife that has no problems taking me to court to decrease my time with the kids. The last thing I want is to explain to a judge why some RW is in my house when I had little face to face time. Do you understand what society already thinks about men like us? We are insane to find a life partner overseas based on little face to face time. We should try our best to limit the insanity.
We can figure out a woman's beliefs and goals through correspondence. We can figure out chemistry by meeting with a woman. We can't figure out how honest or faithful someone is unless we spend a lot of time with them or test them. Spending a lot of time with someone is unrealistic for most men and women here.
I said before that some RW will not like me but they will respect me. Deep down they know I'm doing the right thing. Only the men here seem to have problems with it but it is your problem. If a RW got divorced with her husband and he has visitation rights with the kids, she will want him to thoroughly examine any new woman in his life by any means possible. I agree and the last thing I want to do is bring a thief, child molestor, or an insincere woman into my home to affect me and more importantly my kids in a bad way.
Some RW know they will have various men make numerous promises throughout their lives. If a woman corresponds with a man for months and the man says "You're the only woman for me so lets focus on each other", I have no problem if the RW tests him with a secret profile or a friend's profile to see if he's telling the truth. If a RW is engaged to a man and she feels she needs to test his honesty, I have no problem with that either. One test can save years of being in a marriage ending with disastrous results. The benefits outweigh the costs. The test is more to find deceiving people than to deceive as Miri thinks.
Who's likely to fail the test? Bad people and when they fail, they deserve to get dumped. Who's likely to pass the test? Good people and when they passed, they will gain respect and love. Good people shouldn't be afraid of a test. Make no mistake, you will be tested in various ways by your woman for various reasons. It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when" and when you do get tested, I hope you're not pussy whipped and give her as much mouth as you've given me.
The people one has to worry about is the people who are not satisfied with the results of a test and will test endlessly. I have no reason to test anyone to see if they're faithful yet since I'm not in a relationship. All RW that communicate with me can speak to other men, date them, and sleep with them if they wish. They owe me nothing.
The 18 yo RW's mom just finished reading 6 months of correspondence between me and her daughter and the 18 yo wrote me:
"my mom se saw you and she saw our letters.. she likes you.. she said that you are good and smart man."
If her mom didn't like me, I would tell her "goodbye, without your parents support, it won't be easy to forge a relationship". Now that her mom has given her blessing for me to court her daughter, I will continue to ask her daughter many questions. I sent pics of my kids to her and she said they are beautiful and would like to know more about them. She's asking me questions too such as if I love my ex wife.
I had a date earlier today with the green card lottery girl. After lunch we went walking and walked into a cemetery. We had a very romantic time at the cemetery since there was a lot of french kissing going on. I told her I was at a funeral yesterday for an ex employee and friend. His family been having it tough lately. He died a few days ago and his father died shortly after. His son was at the funeral in shackles since he was in prison. His sister was killed by the infamous Green River killer decades ago.
She mentioned I was easy to talk to and can talk to me about things she wouldn't talk with other men until only months after knowing them. She tells me she and many of her friends have had moments of love making where they are staring at the ceiling thinking about if they should repaint it another color or similar stories of boredom during sex. Pay attention to what you're doing guys. If she's bored, you better up your performance. She is but another RW that has told me stories of poor performance in bed by men.
You don't have to be the smartest guy in the World, nor the richest, handsomest, nicest guy, or drive an expensive car(I take my dates out in an 11 yo Korean made car), but if you're a well rounded individual, you will catch a lady easy. Many women are just hoping to find a normal decent guy without any strange behavior, beliefs, or attitude.
I didn't turn out to be a ladies man overnight. I learned a lot right here at this forum. I carefully figured out what wisdom I need to absorb to be successful and that is the key. Most everything in life you learn is learned from another man. It's how you put it together that will determine the man you will become.
It is not a right or wrong thing... just different values.
I just hope it doesn't backfire on you.
If you met the perfect woman (in your heart) and she found out, I hope she isn't hurt and insulted like I was.
Just food for thought. I have no desire to change your mind.
I wouldn't want that responsibility if I was wrong.
I agree.
If it backfires and the woman dumps me, I go back to being a single man. Not a bad thing.
If I don't test and my ex takes me to court. Do you think the judge has the right to ridicule me and question my sanity if I brought home a RW after 2 visits and a few weeks face to face time? That is exactly what all of you are going to do if not be a one week wonder. With a test I can give the judge the impression I'm doing all I can to verify the sincerity of the woman before bringing her into the house.
My perfect woman doesn't want a fool but a man who would vigorously protect crap from entering into his or his family's life. If she wants into the family, trust is earned just as I have to earn her trust.
Your comments are welcome. You disagree but you're not making me out to be a monster.
Don't worry, I won't let anyone run my life. It is my responsibility and if I decide to make a life with a woman and she says she is devoted to only me after a few weeks face to face time, a simple test will prove honesty and faithfullness of the moment. What are the options? Blind stupid trust and if she turns out to be insincere, I may be in for many years of bad marriage, ugly custody battle for the kids, never being able to see my kids everyday, and expensive divorce.
I've never cheated on a woman I made a commitment with. I'll get an "A" on any test administered and it won't insult me.
Many guys and RW make a commitment to each other after one or two visits totally a week or a few weeks. Most people will think they are idiots ready to make a life together without verifying honesty and faithfullness. That's usually accomplished over lots of time. How are you going to learn if your RW is honest and faithful and she with you? 10 more visits at 2 weeks a piece for a total of 4.5 months face to face time? 4.5 months face to face time is on the low end of a decent amount of time to choose a life partner but for guys like us it's not going to happen.
Make no mistake, you will be tested in various ways by your woman for various reasons.certainly !
It's not a question of "if", it's a question of "when" and when you do get tested, I hope you're not pussy whipped and give her as much mouth as you've given me.
I thought I answered your questions earlier but you two don't seem to get it. I will explain a little more to hammer home the reasons behind the secret profile.
It's my life and I'm responsible for taking care of it and keeping crap out. I have two kids. I have an ex wife that has no problems taking me to court to decrease my time with the kids. The last thing I want is to explain to a judge why some RW is in my house when I had little face to face time. Do you understand what society already thinks about men like us?
You don't have to be the smartest guy in the World, nor the richest, handsomest, nicest guy, or drive an expensive car(I take my dates out in an 11 yo Korean made car), but if you're a well rounded individual, you will catch a lady easy. Many women are just hoping to find a normal decent guy without any strange behavior, beliefs, or attitude.
I think if someone cannot make a comfortable decision on a person in the time frame given ,without deceit, then they should certainly not be considering marraige ,or any possible threat to their family situation.
Exactly! If someone does not have the time and resources to date internationally as it should be done, then they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
Half arsing it and then using deceptive testing methods is not, by any stretch of the imagination, a reasonable or acceptable replacement for spending as much time as is necessary to learn everything you need to about the person you are dating.
How the hell can anyone justify lying to someone like this - and he's supposed to be religious. Damn, what a hypocrite.
As it should be done? By who's standard? Yours? What is the way it should be done in your opinion SJ?
I don't necessarily disagree with you here. In fact I agree with it totally but, thats the way apparently you and I would do it but, one size does not fit all.
Your a smart guy, can't you express your point without resorting to name calling?
Nice try there FP. And you know very well what I mean by, "spend as much time as necessary". ::)
Name calling? The guy is a hypocrite. Or would you like to point out to me where any Christian faith thinks that lying and deception are good practices? Or are you talking about my "weird" comment? Maybe you want to check up the definition of that and then come back to me and try to tell me that Billy isn't it.
Besides, name calling is against the TOS of RWD and you are a smart enough guy to express your opinion without having to call him names. You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.
You can catch more flies with honey than you can with vinegar.
Who wants to catch flys anyway?
Ok-
I didn't mean to start a pile on , other than to question one aspect of billyb's "method"
I do think healthy debate about it is what this board is for ,, i'd love for the RW to chime in with their own thoughts.
Looking back I do not feel I did a good enough job of seperating my comment on the one part of the method from the "person".
Overall it is just a comment ,or stance , on a small part of his methods,
not the individual!
Personally, I would not use secret profiles, and posted why.
If i felt i needed to do so, I simply wouldn't pursue this ,so i have some pretty strong feelings on the topic.
I should have left it at that,
but i did want billy to clarify his position, so asked some rather
pointed questions,and also questioned his justifications or reasoning behind them.
billyb knows posting these types of things will raise some eyebrows or some legtimate questions on particular points.
it does bring discussion out ,so is a good thing,
and he does a good job of not taking it personally ..
heh heh just a metaphor meaning it's "OKAY" to be nice
Why, yes it is! It's interesting that even with the derisive nature of some of the commentary, most has been fairy well contained. And surprisingly enough, not a single post in this thread has been reported. Seems that there CAN be some opposing opinions and views without going totally off the deep end.
Whether I agree with BillyB or not, I am rather impressed with his ability to express his opinions and take the heat of response without losing his cool.
I agree. I like Billy and he's done a swell job of maintaining his cool in the face of some high criticism.
I pointed out you ,in these cases ,are acting deceitful ,dishonest.
Very few RW, will find the practice acceptable
middle age men that go hunting for 18 year old virgins in other countries
Billy, seriously, do you honestly think most people would place you in the "normal guy without strange behaviour or beliefs" category? Really?
point out to me where any Christian faith thinks that lying and deception are good practices?
If someone does not have the time and resources to date internationally as it should be done, then they shouldn't be doing it in the first place.
BillyB likes attention from a lot of different women in real life, and he seems to find it.
BillyB also likes attention from a lot of different men on this discussion board, and he seems to find it.
I mentioned the secret profile on page one of this thread that has been going on for almost 2 months. RW have commented on other issues but not on the secret profile because it probably doesn't bother them much. That lack of reaction is the answer to your question.
I'm not doing the hunting. The 18 still has to convince me why I should visit her. She's doing a good job so far. I didn't ask but she already sent me lots of photos of her, her family and friends. She's opened and sharing her life with me.
SJ, if all of us at the forum laid it all out and had our life stories where anybody could read them, I'm sure I have less to be ashamed about than most people. Just because you're not talking about all the stupid things you've done doesn't mean you're normal or better than most people here. Maybe you have a good reason to keep most of your past quiet if your reputation is at stake?
The 18 yo who wants me probably is better than most of us, especially when we were her age. What's more amazing than letting her mom read our 6 months correspondence is the fact that once her mom has access to her account to read our correspondence, she can read all her daughter's correspondence to other men. The fact she gave her mom access to her account tells me she is not ashamed of what she writes to people.
I never said I was proud of my secret profile or that I'm happy doing it but it is not lying and it's not used to hurt people. Organizations like the CIA can hurt people but I think it's necessary for the welfare of the nation. The profile is only rarely used for when someone makes a bold promise to me. I have never used it on any lady I currently date in America.
I've said I believe in God but I never said I was perfect yet you use me to beat down Christianity. SJ, you are so focused on beating down any religion that you fail to see any good. That is your loss.
How can international dating be done normally? It can't. You can rationalize all you want but it can't unless one moves to the others city so they can date normally with uninterrupted face to face time. I'm sure you would like to say that you spent the correct amount of time getting to know your RW wife but I bet you I got more face to face time with many of my current dates than you with your wife and I'm still not ready to marry any of them.
Time is one factor getting to know someone. Intelligence is another and if a guy or woman doesn't have intelligence, then no amount of face to face time will help if one can't tell the difference between sincere and insincere.
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That it's okay to lie and deceive when you're too dumb to figure out the motivations of a woman
Do you plan on sharing your correspondence with ladies with your mother, Billy?
I like the fact she got her mom involved to verify she made a good choice in me.
AJ, do you have a problem with the CIA and other similar organizations from other nations? One of their jobs is to gather secrets for the benefit of their nation. If countries did not have intelligence agencies, they'd be left in the dust. While they are sneaky to some people, they are doing it to benefit their nation's peoples.
Most of us going to the FSU to find a wife are going to make our decision in one or two visits with a few weeks face to face time. If you want to give that woman 100% of your trust, then most people will look at you as being foolish. I don't think RW are that naive to give 100% of their trust to their man. Why do you and others give 100% trust to a RW you met for a few weeks? The answer is because of the prize between her legs. If it were a man, you would not trust him so quickly.
Why did you say that and later say "i'd love for the RW to chime in with their own thoughts."? Are you sure or not sure what they will say?
I mentioned the secret profile on page one of this thread that has been going on for almost 2 months. RW have commented on other issues but not on the secret profile because it probably doesn't bother them much. That lack of reaction is the answer to your question.:rolleyes2:
RW have more to lose. They may have kids with the guy and if he's a jerk and the marriage ends in divorce, she will have a hard time getting support from him. A RW will be in a new country and if she feels she can't make it on her own, she may feel forced to stay in a bad marriage to an insincere man.
Maybe you will leave your lady if you're tested AJ but it is easier said than done.
A woman may test you with an email. She may call you certain times of the day to check you or go through your phone menu. She may be watching you when you aren't looking. Who knows how she'll test you but I doubt she will give you 100% trust when you two first meet. Trust has to be earned.
...do we have to debate the petty stuff or can I focus my energy and limited time on writing about my experiences? If I write some more experiences, I promise you there will be new stuff for you to get you fired up and comment on...
Thank you for admitting that if you were in a committed relationship, it would not be so easy to drop your man. If your man tests you, you will question his character and respect him even more one you find out he's trying to figure out if you have the same values as he does and that is being faithful and loyal.
Jooky, you look back at your life and you see the mistakes you made. Ten years from now you will look back to now and if you're honest with yourself you will see mistakes.
In court there is a reason they swear people under oath and get them to promise to tell the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth.
Truth alone is not good enough but it's in our nature outside of court to settle on that alone. It's more important to tell the whole truth and nothing but the truth than just the plain truth. Most people don't want to tell the whole truth, just the truth that is beneficial to themselves and keep the ugly truth hidden. Many people don't tell “nothing but the truth”. If by chance they tell a truth that doesn't sound good in their favor, they add falsehoods or misleading statements in attempt to make the truth sound better.
If a woman you're dating asks you about your past, it is unwise for you to tell the whole truth. If a person can get the whole truth from every person they date and learn all the wrong those people did in life, chances are they will not marry any of them. I can accept a person in my life that has done wrong in the past even if I don't know about it. Knowing everything about your partner and their past is counter productive to building a successful relationship. Knowing that they are committed to improving in the right direction in life and in the relationship is good enough for me.
Earlier you claim I said something repeatedly that puts me in a bad light. I wanted you to quote me. Instead of doing that you apologize and throw me an insult to top it off. How do you think your reaction reflects upon youself? I'm not a lonely guy for many good reasons. Having your attitude will make me lonely guy.
Do you think your husband should speak first before you answer him verbatim? Let him speak first before you quote your husband again at this forum. Promise?
That response is why I can't live with a person who is perfect and believes they don't lie. You learned I was right yet you add crap that probably isn't true to make it seem a crime for anyone to say "Lvov". Now I'm a bad guy for saying Lvov? The people I've seen who write Lvov as the name of the city are native Ukrainians, not Russians.
Why would anybody need to test for a commitment during correspondence when there is no commitment? There is no reason for me to address that.
Do you remember why I used a secret profile before a commitment was ever made with the J-1 visa girl? She was supposed to live in my house so I wanted to verify her character, after all, I got kids that come to my house and protecting them is important.
Why are we even revisiting these arguments AJ for the umpteenth time? If you don't think it's important to protect my kids and my life based on the methods I state come out and say the benefits don't outweigh the cost. I've already said the benefits outweigh the cost for me. Don't focus on me and my methods anymore. I told you my answer numerous times. Tell us why your life and your kids if you have some doesn't deserve a little extra verification process to filter out crappy people from intruding on your lives and if you think the benefits don't outweigh the cost. Give me some reasons you think your kids protection should rely on your judgement alone when figuring out a woman who you may someday invite into your home after a few days or weeks face to face time. I've been accused of knowing it all in this thread yet I admit I'm not smart enough to figure everyone out.
The secret profile is a tool to protect myself, not to cause harm to others. Some people even do background checks on people before they marry and some people advocate full disclosure of past history to a potential mate hoping our government passes a law for that. One RW I dated says she does background checks on every man before she gets into a serious relationship with him. Some people have pre nups to protect themselves. It's not your job to tell others what they should or shouldn't do to protect their own lives? You gave your opinion earlier and numerous times already on the subject. If you want to add to it and talk about how it will or will not affect your life, go for it but you are not going to change my mind no matter how much you beat this subject to death.
50% of marriages end in divorce and many of those who remain married aren't necessarily happy. MOST people made a mistake in choosing their partner even with plenty of face to face time and many of those people who made mistakes are just like you, trusting 100% and thinking for sure that their partner is marriage material. Their verification process to learn various character traits about a potential partner was lacking or non existent. You're free to trust 100% and recklessly IMO but do you see me riding your butt in every post about reckless action? Make no mistake, society thinks every man and woman in this endeavor is making reckless decisions.
Of course you are going to embrace her one and only definition since it serves hers and your claim you two never lie. Do you think repeating over and over is going to make it true? There are other definitions out there. I'm sure Boethius didn't want to put up a link to the other definitions so I will help her and you with the links below. One does not need to intentionally deceive to lie. One can make a false statement perverting the truth and it's still considered lying.
http://www.yourdictionary.com/lie
http://wordnetweb.princeton.edu/perl/webwn?s=lie&sub=Search+WordNet&o2=&o0=1&o7=&o5=&o1=1&o6=&o4=&o3=&h=
Some of you guys who are insistant that you don't lie are also against those that write trip reports and tell the whole truth as they see it when speaking of others in public. When they change names and ages of those involved in their trip report to protect identities, do you get worked up about those lies and forever hold it against that particular poster? I have been vague when describing some of the ladies I came across with and describing their ages to protect their identity. I have lied so you will probably think less of me from now on and now a tear runs down my cheek. Would you be happier if the 18 yo RW is actually 17 or 22? There are lies that are happening all the time at this forum but they are insignificant and it doesn't bother me as it does you. Some of you need to lighten up.
No you didn't fix it because you never understood the definition of "lie" to it's fullest extent. If one said they “think” the Bible is truth or fiction, then we can say they guessed right or mistakenly wrong. If one states as fact it's truth or fiction just as Boethius stated as fact earlier that L'viv was not Lvov, then they will tell either the truth or they are lying. If you tell your children or people who think highly of you that the Bible is a work of fiction without reservations or mentioning it's your opinion, they would hold your word in high regard and most likely believe you. If later in life you learn you are wrong, your lame excuse will be that you are mistaken but you will have already deceived many people and affected their lives in the wrong way whether or not you did it intentionally. People should be held accountable if they state things as fact. I don't think you cut Bush any slack did you?
Dave,
I wanted to give an account of how a sincere woman writes letters so newbies understand the difference between sincere women, scammers and those not “into” or has mixed feelings about a guy. There's other women that's currently writing me who has interest in me and invited me to the FSU but I don't have the time to write about them all and this one is more into me than the others so I wrote about her and she happens to be 18. I'm not surprise people would freak out and focus on her age instead of her sincerity.
The OP in that thread proposed to his 19 RW after 2 days face to face time and 10 months correspondence. Only he and she knows how great thorough the correspondence was and if two people have a burning desire to be together, they will make it happen and they will make it work out for many years to come.
If the guy was not married yet and had done what he said he did, many people in this forum would heavily criticize him and they would have good reason but after a guy marries a woman no matter what the age difference, cultural difference, or language barrier, it doesn't matter what anybody thinks. No matter what the differences are, what happens between a husband and his wife within their marriage is their own business and it's up to them to create their own happiness. Warning him now that his young wife may not be serious and a party girl will do nothing for him if his current experience with his wife is that she is a good wife, mother and partner in marriage. He and his wife may have done an excellent job to learn how sincere each other is and character in correspondence so risks were reduced when they met and chemistry was figured out in days. I read a lot of people congratulating him. The way he posts certainly reflects a positive attitude and happiness credited to his successful marriage. SJ, take notes and get yourself to a happy place!
1 could you quote only what you want to reply to and remove the other words?
2 Usually if you disagree with someone, you state your opinion and recognized they are happy regardless.
3 You seem very depressed yet in another of your posts last night you enthusiastically said "very cool" to a music video titled "Unfukc the World". I hope you're not posting under the influence of alcohol, drugs or prescription medicine.
Billy, I was trying to say something that concerned me and say it nice. Not as a mod, but as a fellow member/potential friend.
. . . tells me she will never do something bad to me or leave me once she decides I'm her man.
. . . I've tried to convince her to put a profile in a large American city . . .
The other day I found more than 50 women listed on EM living in USA and I only did one advanced.
Dating multiple women at the same time has certainly changed me in some respects. If I dated only this woman. I would accept anger issues and bizarre excuses from a lady if she done me wrong. Now, I have almost zero tolerance for poor behavior.
I will visit the 18 yo RW and not expect sex on this trip. I will not force her or any woman to bend their princilples for me. Sex is not the most important thing to me but if we decide to go exclusive, At a minimum I will talk about sex, frequency, and what I expect from her in marriage. Even if there is no sex, there will be physical contact and kisses. I don't know to what degree yet but if she is uncomfortable when I touch her, I will go my separate way and meet some local ladies.
This year already I know I could probably get married to 5 RW. My ex fiancee, 3 local ladies I'm dating, and the 18 yo I'm visiting. I could sense their strong feelings for me.
Billy, often here we ridicule the idea of a woman who tells the man she loves him, before meeting.
Although the words love are not spoken here, don't you think this is a bit hokey and along the same lines? Surely you, at least, do not put any credence to such words.
just curious, why would you ever tolerate unacceptable (to you) behaviour ?
Many of us simply do not need to date a bunch of people simultaneously to be confident, or not tolerate poor behavior from a potential partner?
and certainly as long as its open and honest there is nothing wrong with dating many,
it is just not a good underlying "reason" for healthy self esteem
I simply find it incredibly hard to believe that no matter how special she is ,
and after all your many contacts,that you don't have better candidates, for you as far as serious marriage potential, to visit in kiev.
Billy, why such an old girl?
You're putting a heck of a lot of weight on the back of an 18 year old.. far too serious for the task at hand. An 18 year old with virginal principles is quite contradictory.
Go have a good time and a roll in the hay like it's supposed to be instead of planning family roles.
Don't take yourself too seriously or you'll be the next cut off hand on a car hood.
It has been a privilege to read this thread.
We are fortunate to have the guidance of one of western civilizations great lovers and a true manly man. He is willing to share the loving words of an 18 year old virgin who cares about his children, looks out for her future lover and his money, is dedicated to a lifetime of education, whose slavic passion and devotion is evident via email alone, yet is shy and modest. She is free of all life's vices, as is evidenced by words to that effect in several emails. She cannot be swayed by a 33 year old clandestine fancy man, because she is dedicated to her true email love. A 100% lady.
Manly man is devoted to the 18 year old emailer, unless of course the AW waitress at Hooters does get an apartment and is able to date him, or the lingering lure of the Mexican gal warms again. It is all very inspring and uplifting.
We are fortunate to have the guidance of one of western civilizations great lovers and a true manly man.
Manly man is devoted to the 18 year old emailer, unless of course the AW waitress at Hooters does get an apartment and is able to date him, or the lingering lure of the Mexican gal warms again. It is all very inspring and uplifting.
Unfortunately BillyB is not the only man chasing 18 to 22 year old women in Kiev this summer and reason anastiaweb fills up their catalog with young girls. BillyB is the typical man going to Ukraine. This is what men do they go after the immature women.
For all you men who bash the agencies you really should bash the root cause which is men like BillyB. Agencies are going to focus on money and the money says they want immature women. RWD members do not represent the average visitor or writer to agency girls. BillyB represents more the typical writer for agencies. There are thousands of men like BillyB in Ukraine this summer.
Billy will do just fine.. just fine.
I still can't believe that BillyB is still thinking that any 18 year old would be a potential match
Relax guys. I've got Mamma's blessing to court her daughter.
Misha, in this life, you never know what kind of woman you'll cross that has the hots for you. Some guys could only hope for one woman to be turned on by him. I don't care what a lady's age is, I'm not going to turn away a good woman that has the hots for me if I'm single. That would be dumb.
The woman has serious issues
I've seen stranger things.
Lots of women do. So if you're going to find a woman with serious issues, might as well pick one that's 18 and hot. :P :evil:
In my world, 18-year-old women don't have the hots for 40-something-year-old men. I therefore assume that when this happens:
1. The man is being played by the woman;
2. The woman has serious issues (daddy issues, self-esteem issues, etc...)
Call me biased, but I can't see under normal circumstances how an 18-year-old would seriously consider a middle-aged man.
So, it has nothing to do with whether some 18-year-old you have never met says she has the "hots" for you, it has to do with the fact that you are seriously pursuing such a woman.
I would not be solely worried about the danger of an eventual nasty divorce.
Something does not seem right in the story that he is telling and he may be in the process of being set up IMHO.
SMS60, another member on this board sent me a PM looking for advise. So I was on EM giving my opinion. And yes still married but I will always look at beautiful women. I also think if your going to give opinion on dating agencies you actually go on them once in awhile.For the gossips :it's totally true (it's me the pm ;D).
I just dont see anything of substance in those posted letters..
That just "me"
additionally
*dearest billyb*
isn't *emotionally ramping up* for your visit.
not to "me"
i'd likely have no problem at all if she was 22 or 24
the point you were trying to make to me makes sense.
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i'd likely have no problem at all if she was 22 or 24
If you consider a 22 yo RW an adult and would have no problem dating her and since you have 10 years over me, that would mean you could put yourself in a relationship with a larger age gap than I could legally. In an attempt to divert the attention off of me I say "Everyone bash AJ!!!"
obviously the legal system considers an 18 yo an adult.
i do feel there is a great distinction between a teenager and a 24 yo
When you are dating a woman young enough that you have to check her passport just to make sure that she is legally an adult, you know that she is too young :o
The latter will have completed her university degree, will likely have had one serious relationship and will have otherwise gained some life experience.
Frequency: She doesn't address all men as “dear”. So with that fact, she doesn't use the words unless she has strong enough emotions for someone.
How do you know this?
Frequency: She doesn't give bikini photos to men on the internet, her body is only to be viewed by the guy she has feelings for.
How do you know this?
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Billy, not trying to harrass you, but just wondered.
Myself, I would never make these sort of claims you are making.
So, even if a woman claimed this (that she didn't do such and such) it would never impress me one way or the other. It's just all fluff at this point.
Isn't this all in the realm of and similar to the idea that a woman (or man) can claim they are still a virgin or that they have only had sex with one other person, etc.?
None of it is to be believed, or even be concerned about.
Don't you think it makes you look a little naive (for a man your age) to be posting such claims, even though they are trivial in nature?
Timing: She never used the word “dear” , not even when I accepted the invitation to see her. Weeks later after I accepted, I bought the tickets and she started to use the word dear. I assume she realizes this is actually going to happen and each day her feelings grow for me. When a woman chases a man and catches him, she tends to get very happy.
Frequency: She doesn't address all men as “dear”. So with that fact, she doesn't use the words unless she has strong enough emotions for someone. I like the fact she wasn't all into me in the beginning and like normal people, her feelings for another grows over time at a certain pace if everything feels right.
LOL, I guess Dear is a little better than, To whom it may concern!! :P Or Dear Sir!!The ultimate source on forms of address: Debrett's (http://www.debretts.com/forms-of-address/titles.aspx) ;D.
Assertion such as “I have not done something with other people that I do with you or for you” usually is formulated with intent to say "you seem special to me”. Such assertion might be an honest description of reality at any point.
Yes, of course it 'might be.' But isn't this just the typical type of stuff that women (and men) might tell each other? So isn't it all just fluff and not worth believing or at least not telling others about.
I think such assertion equals to a compliment in its value. Are compliments worth believing (first issue) and telling to others (second issue) in your opinion?
actually i made the point in my post that us 'readers" couldnt
evaluate such letters- since you only shared one or two ,,
and no way to see any emotional ramp up or any real content change.
and mentioned that I understood you had 7 months of corrspdondence to go off of ,
and HOPED you had seen such changes or something of substance.
When you are dating a woman young enough that you have to check her passport just to make sure that she is legally an adult
That a few middle aged men claim to have so much in common with someone so young says far more about their mental state than that of the teenager their are trying to bed (IMO of course).
How do you know this?
BillyB, in regard to age of your lady… in my life, I have met some mature 18 y.o ladies with pleasant personalities, the serous desire to commit to a suitable (in their opinion) partner, and willingness to work hard to maintain the relationship in harmony. So, I believe in existence of mature 18 y.o ladies. If your lady is one of that kind, your relationship with her has reasonable probability of success.
Moreover, I firmly believe that it is better to try and get disappointed than not to try and wonder “what if”.
Therefore, I would try to develop relationship with her and see if she is really mature or she only seems such.
She is not the smartest or most beautiful woman I've communicated with or dated but her views of her future family life is similar to mine and she is marriage material.
I know I can count on you guys to bail me out of jail for getting involved with a minor (no, not me)but I prefer to do things my way and check out what a Libyan visa and certain numbers looks like.
We've already discussed the fact I have much more life experience than her and she is willing to learn from me. DDDUUHHH, she is 18 years old and your what? 40 or something like that!
I'm more interested if a lady is marriage material and has similar ideas on traveling the same path in life. What path is that? Do as I say cause I'm older then you with more life experience?
I'm pretty sure she is not writing Dear and sending bikini photos to other men for a few reasons. She didn't do it to me until she started to have feelings for me many months later after the first letter. She doesn't do it often and she doesn't do it with just friends. How do you know? You got big brother watching her?
I got her to send photos before she had the hots for me and they were normal photos in respectful clothes. Hook
She also rejected the man in my secret profile pretty quick.Didn't the secret you started asking her silly and rude questions? If thats the case why should she put up with writing that person back, so that doesn't make sense at all.
Without me inquiring, she's been honest with telling me she has another profile.Line
I've communicated with thousands of RW. I know when someone really likes me even if it's done through their written words or if she's just semi interested or when she's faking interest. She's currently into me enough for me to know I can now tell her to remove her profiles and she would do so to make me happy. I'm sure of this. Sinker
I believe the 18 yo has a very strong desire to make things work with me. She has not been hurt by an unsuccessful relationshipAnd what kind of relationships would she have pre_billyb? HS crushes at best with nothing remotely close to marriage to a middel aged man.
Other ladies have been turned off by some of my questions.Of course billy, they can probably see through the passive aggressiveness controlling factor of your questions. Why should 2 egos bash when it's best to have one that is submissive, right?
They probably prefer the men who has no requirements for their future wife and/or the men who promises them the most. Or someone that will treat them as an equal
One RW wanted me to visit her very much. I said I need to call her often before I can make a decision. She said one meeting is better than many phone calls and letters. I agreed but I still need to learn if we are even on the same path in life so I need to call her to learn this and I won't visit a woman unless she thinks I'm important enough to give me her number. She told me "Don't tell me your rules". I didn't write her back.Again, 2 egos bashing, she is not submissive, so thats a NOvember GOlf!!!
I will try and I won't be disappointed whatever the results. Some people are thinking I'm throwing myself at this RW and are upset thinking I'm mentally ill. Although I've slowed down dating local RW, I still am dating. People will be upset about that too but I'm not going to put all my eggs in one basket until a RW proves to me that she deserves all my attention. Regardless of what I do, I've learned someone in this forum will be upset. It never fails.Not at all, thanks for the great entertainment!!
I don't expect to see her being a fully matured person.Again DDDUHHH she just got done with puberty!!! D
She's told me she has some growing up to do. She's told me I will have to teach her about life. I'm willing to accept that role.I bet you can't just wait!! We are both satisfied of our responses to each other.Double sinker!!
What happened to the two live-ins?
I bet you can't just wait!!
Lets face it, Billy has fallen in love with his penpal. Denial is futile.
Justification by verbosity.. I don't buy it but will give them the benefit of doubt until they meet.
What happened to the two live-ins?
Its even more uncommon for a marriage to last between two young people who marry under 25. What are the odds of an 18 year old and a 40 year old staying together for the long run? Slim and none and deep down inside you know it.
Let her go to college. Let her party and have a few meaningless romances with guys her own age. Let her learn about life on her own like everyone else does. Let her make mistakes. Its the mistakes that we make that define who we are and usually make us stronger and smarter. Its life experience that we all crave and need to grow as a person. Having an old guy(and to her you are an old guy) telling her not to do this or that wont help her. It will hurt her.
So c'mon Billy, be a real man. Let her go.
You can try to rationalize here why it will work all you want. But the truth remains your middle aged and she is still a girl with no life experience. Not a good combination.
I am a newbie. I feel very much humbled to write on this thread. I just need to thank you for posting it! I am here to learn (although I do not agree with everything you say and do). But much of it for sure is pure platinum and gold. Much success and hope you get what you are seeking.
3T_Ventus
She doesn't want to party
Billy is simply trying to get a rise out of you folks.
IMO, far too much money, time, energy, not least of which forum posting time; to be investing trying to get laid with an 18 year old - hardly a players MO if you ask me. If the pic he posted is that of the 18 year old....hhhmmmm, personally, to each his own.
So let Billy post and do whatever it is that flies his fancy. I say more power to him and let him be! So sit back, chill and just kick it...and let the show play itself out...
GQBlues, I thought you were smarter than putting words into a person's mouth without backup. I said that often?
Quote me.
Do you want to enlighten everyone on your age and your wife's age when you two first met?
Did you go to the FSU to pop a young RW(your wife)
as you accuse me and thousands are doing? Next time use your name when making a statement like that instead of mine.
If this falls on the silly side, then more power to Billy for having to fly halfway around the world, spending all that time and money, just to pop an 18 year old. He won't be the first nor the last either. Thousands of old farts from the western hemisphere goes to Davao, to Hanoi, to New Delhi, to Kiev, to Omsk, etc...to do exactly that, and are doing exactly that this very minute. So why pick on Billy? Everyone have a need to be like Mike.
Again, if it's a waste for you to have visited your young wife, speak for yourself.
As far as posting time on a forum goes, don't forget that you're married.
When you met your wife, she was a hundred tampons younger than she is now. Most people haven't read your thread from a long and forgotten forum. Why is it so hard to tell your wife's age when you met her instead of writing a long post about of a thread written years ago most people haven't read?
I was the guy who put people in their place in those age gap threads that started to throw out personal insults to you Ken, DonAz, facetrock and others for having relationships with much younger women with huge age gaps. They claimed you're robbing the cradle and question your motives going to the FSU for some young skin.
With writing men, there is no innapropriate touching.
Why do you think submission is a bad thing?
She needs to find pleasure doing things with me even if she doesn't like it.
You were very young to enter into a relationship against your mother's wish yet you criticize a young lady who is writing men on the internet. With writing men, there is no innapropriate touching.
A woman shouldn't marry a man she can't respect. If she trust his wisdom to make good decisions, then walking his path in life is a good thing. Most people think if a person submits to another, that person is weak submitting to a tyrant but it takes a strong person to submit themselves too, even when submitting to a good person.
Biiiillyyyyyyy, where are youuu.... :(
We are all waiting for the promised report on your meeting! Please write soon!
Pitbull, don't worry! My trip is almost over and I'll write the good, bad, and ugly in a few days. I never disappoint women and I will keep my promise to you. :) I will post some photos of my ugly face to prove RW can love an ugly man such as myself so stay tuned!
BilliB, are you alright?
Your story is facsinating, please could you tell what happened next? Is she your girlfriend now? Pray tell....
was there any logical reason her mother needed to tag along to meet you the first time?
It just seems a little bizaare.
..I do not know any mothers that routinely, at th ebeach or anywhere else, collect phone numbers for their daughters...
To me its as if she is proud of her daughters attractiveness, while normal for a parent, emphasizing this particular "value", in this way, is odd to me..
Your story is facsinating
They don't live in Ukraine and both are on their vacation. Mom did not expect me to tag until A surprised her that she invited me. The vacation was supposed to be mom and A, not mom, A and I. I'm okay with mom coming along on some of our dates anyway. I can create chemistry with RW young and old and have no problem having fun with and charming both ladies.
Why is it routine? Only because the men make it routine. If men can't get A to respond to their advances, they may go and talk to mama instead to get to A. Muslim men tend to work on the parents first while European men try to work on the girl first. Why is it strange for a mom to receive a phone number for her daughter and give it to her daughter? It more strange if she received the phone number and threw it away.
Physical beauty of a child is a value that most parents would be proud of. For A's mom, it's not the only value she wants from her daughter, after all she is paying for her daughter's university and encouraged her to learn 5 languages. She also teaches her daughter many other values in life which I will speak of later.
Temperature in Kiev reach upwards to 42 degrees C or 107 degrees F. I was wrong when I said in an earlier post I said that A was the type of girl who would fix my collar, wipe the sweat off my face and do the little things to take care of her man. It was her mom who was wiping the sweat off my face and fixing my collar. A grew up in Europe and Libya and is not the typical RW since she lived outside of the FSU for a good portion of her life. Her mom was teaching her. I felt a need to teach A too and I told her it's okay for her to wipe the sweat off my face and rub her fingers through my hair. Although A currently was not the type of woman who knew how to give attention to a man during a date, she will be.
Although *A* currently was not the type of woman who knew how to give attention to a man during a date, she will be.
With what happened on day 3 the word "fascinating" is an understatement.:popcorn:
But i wondered at your thoughts when finding out *A* ,who you stated (and believed) had been open with her mother about her emails and relationship with you , had left out the key fact that when her and mom were on vacation to kiev , you would be there as well.
Billy i have to hand it to you,
I'm am a confident man ,but would not be comfortable with *mom* tagging along,
fixing my collar or wiping the sweat off my face,
while he is struggling to make her orgasm twice a day?
There are many ways to give a woman orgasms that involve no struggle at all for the man.
BC did you means "puns" intended?
I have to doubt in Billy's ability to deliver unlimited amount of orgasms to the willing woman. ;) But it seems that in this particular situation the mom is the willing one, not the daughter.
Did you mean that you have no doubt in Billy's ability :popcorn:
P.S. As I post this, I see the new smileys. One is holding a sign stating TMI. Does anybody know what TMI stands for?
oh and by day three, without a kiss from daughter yet, mom
possible,lol.. but certainly not common..
BillyB, you sure know how to pick the mothers...
:D ;D
Too much Information.
I wonder what the age difference is between momma and Billy?
'tis indeed a strange tail.
Why would such a young bright thing from a good family of educated parents would want to marry a much older american man. To dedicate her young life to wiping sweat from his head while he is struggling to make her orgasm twice a day?
LOL.
Spidey Sense tells me the women are orgasmic simply by reading this thread!
:popcorn:
I think I've had one myself :hairraising:
LOL.
Spidey Sense tells me the women are orgasmic simply by reading this thread!
:popcorn:
Are you going to get married and to live happily ever after?
'tis indeed a strange tail.
I will refer to the 18 yo as “A” from now on. I met A on the dating site Bride.ru...What happened to the 18 year old you met in the restaurant who looked like the girl in the video commercial? I thought that was the one you were going to meet.
I have been in Kiev for a week but only read this thread today.Since I have landed I have been seeing young girls in the 18-23 age group to be orgasming uncontrollably in public all over the city centre. It has been reported in the news and TV and the doctors are scratching their heads to explain this phenomenon. Now I know why, it is because BillyB is in town and the pheromones or whatever he is releasing in the air are making the young ladies go into a state of immaculate orgasms, WOW, what a man!!
What is each woman about to experience?
From a Mayo Clinic study.
What is each woman about to experience?
From a Mayo Clinic study.
I have been in Kiev for a week but only read this thread today.
Since I have landed I have been seeing young girls in the 18-23 age group to be orgasming uncontrollably in public all over the city centre.
Contrary to you, gentlemen, Billy is not a laughter, he is a doier.
While you are sitting over here , he is busy with more important stuff ...
Naw it is nothing like that.
The girls while walking in the street just fall down on the ground. Their legs are up in the air and are twitching uncontrollably while they moan is ecstasy.
What are those first 3 girls doing with their hands?
What are those first 3 girls doing with their hands?
Seems to be a fad among female singers - Madonna, Rihanna, and even Miley Cyrus, so these gals are mimicking the celebs. I don't find it titillating, but apparently enough do that it motivates more celebs and wannabees to persist in the practice.
- Dan
What are those first 3 girls doing with their hands?
How about education, possible career, the prospect of reach and interesting life, dating young goodlooking men........and all the others pleasures that people enjoy when they are young and free?!
Why would such a young bright thing from a good family of educated parents would want to marry a much older american man.Ask the ladies who communicate with and date me why they like me. If you were attracted to and went on a first date with me, you might just want to come back for more. I seen your profile on the internet. There are millions of women and men on the internet too but why can't women quickly find a good man? It's not easy so you're basically competing for the same few quality men left out there. I do not need to outrun a bear to survive, I just need to outrun the other guy. I know I can outperform the other guys and my competition is weak. I know my worth. I see the reactions of the ladies I date and I know I have a 2nd date with them before even asking.
oh and by day three, without a kiss from daughter
Sure blows the 'if she's in to you' concept
giving him advice to cheat on her daughter,regularly, 3 times a week minimum
I would wager that momma is a year or two younger than Billy: daughter is 18, if momma had her when she was 20 or 21, that would make momma 38 or 39, while Billy is 40
Billy, Do you get to spend much time with this girl alone--without Mom?
What happened to the 18 year old you met in the restaurant who looked like the girl in the video commercial? I thought that was the one you were going to meet.
I went to look for some of these girls Billy had left behind. For a minute I thought I found them, or at least a few of them.
I was embarrassed.
Seems to be a fad among female singers - Madonna, Rihanna, and even Miley Cyrus, so these gals are mimicking the celebs. I don't find it titillating, but apparently enough do that it motivates more celebs and wannabees to persist in the practice.
- Dan
Cheat? How do you know she wanted me to do that?
giving him advice to cheat on her daughter,regularly, 3 times a week minimum
I'm a very likeable guy even to people that went separate ways with me. After my separation from my ex wife and based off her bad experiences with the eligible single men on the market, she tried hard to get back with me and made a bold move to do so. She came to my mother's house when I was there and my mother let her in. The ex wanted to talk private so we went to a room. She was telling me how she realizes I'm a better guy than the others and she will change for me. My mom opened the door and said “Oh! Sorry!” and closed the door about the time my ex was on her knees and unzipping my pants. I was embarrassed but the ex looked up and gave me the kind of smile that said she was not afraid to perform a wife's duty for her husband in front of anybody. I was not going to get back with her or use her for sex so for those who are curious, she did not get past my zipper.
Velena, if you would have me as a lover, you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes and you'd be disappointed. I have stamina and you will achieve your daily orgasm if not multiple. Maybe we are not compatible and you wouldn't want me for a husband but you may retain me as a friend or a lover for a short term relationship until you find the man that you could live all life with.
All started with MJ.. Or was it Elvis?
Someone in Hollywood is going to pick this up as a script and make an updated version of Dolomite.
Velena, if you would have me as a lover, you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes and you'd be disappointed. I have stamina and you will achieve your daily orgasm if not multiple.
Why is age so important to some of you?
Just a subtle difference in general mentality.
This is to much!
Will Velena become BB's sex slave? :evil:
Stay tuned........:popcorn:Laz
On the sexual part, well...there is not just about how long can you endure. It may even exhaust a woman.
.... you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes....
I have always been mystified by comments such as those of Laz.
I have been in Kiev for a week but only read this thread today.
Since I have landed I have been seeing young girls in the 18-23 age group to be orgasming uncontrollably in public all over the city centre. It has been reported in the news and TV and the doctors are scratching their heads to explain this phenomenon. Now I know why, it is because BillyB is in town and the pheromones or whatever he is releasing in the air are making the young ladies go into a state of immaculate orgasms, WOW, what a man!!
Did you mean Dolemite (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQUVp3dmN_c&feature=related), groov? ;)
I have always been mystified by comments such as those of Laz.
No matter how much it is obvious that the pleasure is intended for the woman, those such as Laz (usually the women) will twist it around that it is for the benefit of the man.
I guess these people are left over from the Victorian age or some such wherein it was believed (or demanded) that woman not enjoy sex.
Given your statement sir, I would contend that you will continue to beconfused"mystified" by people who call to task others who enjoy bragging about their own exaggerated "sexual prowess" on the internet forums. :rolleyes2:
Laz
Also, I am not sure Laz meant what you inferred.
ManLooking, I think I understand what Billy said, however my point was that this kind of endurance may be less then beneficial for some women.
Lily, Billy was saying his endurance was for the benefit of the woman.
So are you suggesting that women do not benefit from such.
Actually Victorian repression of heterosexuality is more a myth than fact.
And yes, I do believe there are modern persons in developed countries who would deny that women do or should enjoy sex . . . at least on the same level that men do.
And Laz clearly is in that boat. In his view, even when Billy gives the woman multiple orgasms (and speaks nothing of his own), he is nevertheless exploiting the woman and making her his sex slave.
I observed a similar situation on a travel discussion board.....
But most all criticised the man for taking advantage of her and receiving pleasure from giving her pleasure.
A woman who worked with my girlfriend (at the time) was telling this story at coffee break to the other gals.
Her birthday had been the day before. Husband took her out to a nice dinner.
When they got home, he flopped out on sofa to watch football or some such.
She said to him: 'What, no birthday bang?'
He said: 'Too tired.'
Some time later, he said: OK, I am rested now.
She replied to him: No, you missed your chance for a good screw.
So here also, in the case where the woman first suggested she wanted some pleasure, her later comments revealed the truth that in reality she looked at it as doing a favor for her husband thinking that sex is mainly for the pleasure of the man. This viewpoint is not uncommon among many women . . . and men.
And Laz clearly is in that boat. In his view, even when Billy gives the woman multiple orgasms (and speaks nothing of his own), he is nevertheless exploiting the woman and making her his sex slave.
A pretty big leap taken from a joke?
Geez Manlooking, you need to lighten up a little. :D
Hey Billy! You sound great as always. There is one think we seem to have in common, with such a huge choice of potential partners we both are still single. or......are you still?
Did the young beauty steal your heart?
You state that you consider yourself a gentlemen, and a step above the rest of us. I don't see how sharing info like this equates with being a classy guy and a gentlemen. I just can't imagine sharing this type of information on a public forum.
Billy, I really don't think that you should listen to some age concerned people. Nothing personal to the particular poster members on my part, though. I truly pity people who believe that age is something that determines a person. If you Billy are able to attract women of high caliber - by all means, go get them. It is not about age, it is about personality.
On the sexual part, well...there is not just about how long can you endure. It may even exhaust a woman.
Do you know that some high tempered women can reach their highest even without an intercourse?
On a personal note, I found your quoted long post very interesting, however, by RW standards, there might be too much of self-praise on your side. It may look fine for the eyes of an American person, however. Just a subtle difference in general mentality. This may occasionally revoke some extra criticism on the Russian part of RWD, but not necessarily so.
We want Billy
Where is Billy
Give us Billy
We want Billy
Keep it up Billy!
I noticed interaction between couples and many of the ladies seem to adore their husbands. They'd rub their fingers through their husbands hair, put food on their plates or wrap their arms around them. My RW leaned her head on my shoulder, kissed me, put food on my plate, and I wrapped my arms around her or put my hand on her leg at times. Maybe some of the RM at the table are strict but their wives seem to love them for a reason.
What I meant to say was 'without a body contact' ;)
There is something one can learn from everybody. There is an infamous poster here named Pike/Hub/Albert but one thing I learned is that he has the ability to attract a certain woman well. He finds RW on the internet and have phone sex with them. He visits the FSU and has 1 or 2 different women visit him everyday and within a day or even hours they are dropping their panties for him. Although they are not my type of women but it made me think how better to attract the women I'm looking for. What sites to use and how to communicate with those ladies.I wonder how everyone's attitude to Mr.Hub would change if in reality he turned out
Did you ever calculate , how many women you had sex with in your life approx., and what was the percent of RW(UW) ?
What I meant to say was 'without a body contact'
Yes, we wouldn't conceal our affection to the men who we love At the same time, we often show some extra care for those who we respect but not necessarily love. This includes putting food on the table, and other signs of care and of being good hostess. That would mean something that belongs to good manners.
I wonder how everyone's attitude to Mr.Hub would change if in reality he turned out
to be a 50 year old overweight slob chasing after the worst looking ladies in Ukraine?
I am not saying he was, just a hypothetical question.
I don't know the true feelings of everyone at the table pertaining to the idea women should be in the kitchen and bedroom but nobody seem to be offended
They told me it's a woman's job to clean clothes so they washed, dried, ironed, and folded my clothes neatly.
Whoa! I've talked a lot about sex in this thread but I don't remember even claiming to have had sex. Would you believe I'm a 40 yo virgin?
people truly believed that cooking and cleaning are women's duty.
On the boat cruise, mom looked at me and asked “Bill, why did you write my daughter when she was 17 yo?”.
When she was trying to get rid of me she said "mister! please you have to sonsider the idea that it's may be better to not write me anymore!! you are too old for me!". "may be you can't see i am 18 and u a 33"
One guy sitting at that table who's back was to A's back turned around and talked to A. They talked a few minutes and based on the look on his face, he just asked A out or for her number. A shook her head and quickly turned around to eat. The guy had balls to ask a woman out when she's sitting with another man.
I feel like I'm reading a story about 50s or something, when "domostroy" was very honored and people truly believed that cooking and cleaning are women's duty. The only thing about it that arises some doubts - why would such a "domostroy" girl like to move to the USA? With her submissiveness, her beauty and her youth she has a lot of opportunities in her country, where "domostroy" is considered to be normal, and where there are no feminists to accuse her of being submissive.
Why would she like to move to the country with absolutely different mentality?
Contacting underage children on the internet BillyB??
Perhaps the most disturbing post in this whole thread for me.
Has anyone ever seen BillyB in Ukraine? I call BS on what he writes.
I targeted all ladies that were pleasant to my eyes. 17 is an adult in FSU culture anyway.......
Finding a 17 yo RW virgin living in Libya can happen.
a "domostroy" girl may have opportunities to play that role in her own country but she still would want to be loved and treated with respect, not treated like a dog or slave.
Some RW may feel most the "available" men in the FSU have issues or treat women poorly and the good men are already taken.
In Ukraine I learned that mom did most the house work and cooking in Libya and I told A when she goes back to Libya, help mom more in doing those chores.
Learning as much as she can now will only make her life easier in the future within a marriage. I said that in front of mom and mom told me she didn't want A to do too much because she is supposed to focus on studying.
BillyB, you are really one sick puppy. :puke:
Before answering I want to tell you at once, BillyB, that's I'm not trying to catch you on lying or something else, and I'm absolutely neutral in my attitude towards you, so that you wouldn't feel like I'm asking some hostile questions
I can confirm the part about "being taken" - but it's speaking of age of 23+ - people get married very early here, those, who don't want to hurry miss their opportunities We're talking about a gal who's under 20, nobody is taken yet. As for "poor treatment", as I said already, it happens sometimes and in any country.
I didn't quite get what her mom does in Libya anyway? Is she working there as a maid? I know some people of student age, like your gal is, whose mothers work in Libya as maids, but the girls live here, because for them there's nothing to do there, except for also working in cleaning. So what does A do there? Where does she live? Who supports her financially - her mother? Then how much should she make to support herself and her daughter in a strange country?
Where does she study if she lives in Lybia? May be I got something wrong and she doesn't live there?
I asked has anyone ever met you in person in Ukraine.
I call BS on the attention women give you.
Are you meeting women - yes. But your adding a lot more to the story.
I have no troubles believing that many women are all over you. There are men who have mastered the art of attracting women, same as women have mastered the art of attracting men. There are rules and once you know them and use them to your advantage you can be successful...like the success you are having. You have clearly voiced it many times on this thread.
I can vouch for you for I am experiencing the same success at the moment...
She is not smart enough to understand that.
Whoa! I've talked a lot about sex in this thread but I don't remember even claiming to have had sex. Would you believe I'm a 40 yo virgin?
If a woman has any experience with men, then she'll understand that I'm a great catch. I know where I stand among my competition.
http://freepersonals.ru/p...ile?id=370278;pid=706301;
so Billyb,instead of not being smart enough.
lets give her some credit and something likely more close to reality?
or maybe you think only YOUR teenager is wise and mature enough
Billy,
Lets say you meet a cute and interesting 18 year old girl here in The States. She agrees to go out with you and you have a great time together. During the date, however, you discover she is has just started her senior year in high school. Just this change things? Would you go out with her again if there was 'chemistry'?
Billy, what can you offer to a woman that other men cannot?
And thanks for your postings, great reading 8)
but find it strange that you struggle with women and than lie your some Casanova here. The Internet is a way to hide behind your confidence issues and failures
And when you respect me, you will begin to love me. :blowkiss:
Mom asked me if I owned a gun and I told her I owned 2 rifles. Mom nods her head in approval and smiles. I could tell she likes men with guns. I asked A if she's okay with it and she said "I don't' know. Maybe you will use them against me?" I replied "No, the rifles are for shooting 4 legged deer, not 2 legged dear. They would be used to protect you, not hurt you."
Your gal must speak bloomin good English Billyboy to have understood that one. :oYou beat me by a few seconds on that ;). It smells strongly of after-the-fact:
You beat me by a few seconds on that ;). It smells strongly of after-the-fact:
AJ, GOB and Nat have an excuse for not reading everything but you have read and I shouldn't have to repeat myself. A is mature enough to know she has lots to learn in life. If I decide to make a life with her, I'd have to be a teacher and she a student. A is wise enough to understand that is the only way for it to work between us. How is any relationship with a large age gap supposed to work without a man and woman playing a teacher student role?
Tough crowd :)
What I wanna know is, what ever happened to all those borsch-making, home-delivering devs that were lining up on his doorstep...
...oh yeah, and that one Mexican gal....did Meg Whitman hire her back?
I suppose you are right.
After playing student/teacher role. There's always doctor/patient role, bad cop/bad girl role or of course Border Control/Mexican gal, Naughty neighbor/Chickenman role, where does it end?
:popcorn:
How is any relationship with a large age gap supposed to work without a man and woman playing a teacher student role?
Hey FP.
You forgot my all time favorite:
The naughty maid and the sick old pervert. :evil:
GOB
Billy, I just do not know how you could get any more bizarre?
I suppose you are right.
After playing student/teacher role. There's always doctor/patient role, bad cop/bad girl role or of course Border Control/Mexican gal, Naughty neighbor/Chickenman role, where does it end?
:popcorn:
When you find yourself in danger
Or you're threatened by a stranger
And it looks like you might take a lickin'! bok bok bok bok!
There is always someone who
Will hurry up and rescue you
Just calllllllll Super Chicken!
baKAK!
Boh boh boh ba BAH ba BAH bah bohhhhhhhk!
I suppose you are right.
After playing student/teacher role. There's always doctor/patient role, bad cop/bad girl role or of course Border Control/Mexican gal, Naughty neighbor/Chickenman role, where does it end?
:popcorn:
On my part, I probably would have problems describing what is a real man, as well as what a real woman is ;)
Your gal must speak bloomin good English Billyboy to have understood that one.
Billy, I just do not know how you could get any more bizarre? Are you actually believing this tripe you're writing?
What I wanna know is, what ever happened to all those borsch-making, home-delivering devs that were lining up on his doorstep...
Just calllllllll Super Chicken!
I found out the student knew more than the teacher!!!
She does speak 5 languages and is one of two RW I've ever known to not speak English with a Russian accent. I will never hear the words "I vant you" from her. She studied English for one year in school and taught herself the rest of the way. In a few conversations with RW I've had with RW on guns and used that line, many did not get it but A did.
I don't like the feel of condoms either. My form of birth control is pulling out before I finish.
What I'm about to say may not go down well with some of you and I'll probably lose my standing with some RW here and they'll begin to hate me but the truth is Lily is my favorite RW on the internet. :D
Sometimes when on a date with a RW and we're talking about an issue or subject and I tell her my thoughts and beliefs, the RW will be thinking "Wow!" with an amazed look on her face due to what I said because it may have sounded so intelligent with sound reasoning behind it and it blew her mind.
Today on Oct 12 in 1942 Christopher Columbus found America and I feel like Christopher Columbus. He said the World is round when many say it's flat. He was right. I am right.
Mom: Bill, never put A on birth control pills. It is not good for a woman's body who wants future babies.
Mom works as a doctor in Libya under contract.
I don't like the feel of condoms either. My form of birth control is pulling out before I finish.
Mom: (nods her head in approval)
DO NOT follow this advice....they also have AIDS in the FSU!!
Hey, Billy's the one who used the example to buttress why he is "right".
ETA - Though I'd be more concerned about his preferred method of "birth control", as well as the qualifications of a "physician" who approved such a method.
The US doesnt celebrate columbus day on the 12th?? I think it's a typo GQ ? :D (dint you mean Canada?)
Isn't this the same mother who allegedly gave him sex tips?
Trying to keep on topic, what contraceptive method did Columbus use anyway?
Trying to keep on topic, what contraceptive method did Columbus use anyway?
Trying to keep on topic, what contraceptive method did Columbus use anyway?
Trying to keep on topic, what contraceptive method did Columbus use anyway?
Trying to keep on topic, what contraceptive method did Columbus use anyway?
Bottom line is result and I'm not buying your theories. Report back when the woman in your life signs the bottom line on the DS 156K.
Given the quite credible theory that Columbus' crew brought back syphilis from the Americas to Europe, it can be inferred that they weren't using any :popcorn:
Dangling male gonads in very hot water was pretty popular back then.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heat-based_contraception
BB please refresh all of our memories again.....exactly what kind ofwitchDOCTOR is Mom??
I can only hope and pray she is "treating" Moammar (Khadafy) and his friends! :evil:
The fantasy just keeps getting better and better!!
Note to Newbies: DO NOT follow this advice (bareback/pulling out)....they also have AIDS in the FSU!!
Both Spain and the US recognizes the 12th of October to be the 'official' D-Day
PS - Billy, it is Ivano-Frankivsk.
Billy,
Bottom line is result and I'm not buying your theories.
This isn't a guarantee either that the woman signing will finally end up moving to the USA and married
Love you BillyB but you are dragging this thing out. Wheres the beef?
You have a nasty habit of trying to point out every little insignificant mistake of mine. The main problem is what you point out isn't even a mistake. I told you before in this thread there's more than one way to translate Russian to English. Read the search engine in the agency below for city names. Your L'viv is Lvov and your Ivano-Frankivsk is Ivano-Frankovsk to them. Go search many other dating sites that have Russian/Ukrainian employees who translated their cities names to English and you will find out ole BillyB isn't as wrong as you would like others to believe.
Congratulations BB, she is a beautiful child.
pulling out before finishing is a way of birth control in a loving relationship/marriage
Remember, GOB, Billy wants to be in a "teacher". So, marrying a girl close to the age of his stepson is perhaps a good way to achieve this.
Congratulations BB, she is a beautiful child. :rolleyes2:
GOB
I don't see a child, I see a beautiful young woman who must be very attractive by any North American standards, and would be a dream lady for many American men.
I don't see a child, I see a beautiful young woman who must be very attractive by any North American standards, and would be a dream lady for many American men. It is a really rare occasion to see someone like her in Toronto, for example.
It is a really rare occasion to see someone like her in Toronto, for example.
GOB, I have a picture in my head that you are talking to a doctor about birth control and after your conversation, you go tell everyone that the dumb doctor you spoke to has some strange view about safe sex. :rolleyes2:
I don't see a child, I see a beautiful young woman who must be very attractive by any North American standards, and would be a dream lady for many American men. It is a really rare occasion to see someone like her in Toronto, for example.
It is a really rare occasion to see someone like her in Toronto, for example.
Lily, go to your average first year psychology lecture or other very large introductory class at the UofT, and I guarantee that you will see dozens of women that are more attractive and dozens more that are just as attractive :popcorn:
Evidently, you don't travel in big circles in Toronto, Lily. Stand outside Bay Street office towers, or walk through Yorkville, or even Holt Renfrew's women's department on a Saturday, and you will see dozens of women with the same or a better build, and who are more physically attractive.
Fact is that most guys Billy's age couldn't 'genuinely' date a teenager, even if they were desperate to.
If Billy can, and she and he are happy, then good luck to them ... it's nobodies business other than theirs (and her mom's).
More physically attractive? Says who? Better build? How do you figure? I personally feel Billy's young lady is as beautiful as they come. I live in San Diego, plenty of beautiful women here (mostly Russian, it seems), but I don't see women that are "more physically attractive" or with "a better build" that what I see in the photos that Billy has posted.
More physically attractive? Says who? Better build? How do you figure?
More physically attractive? Says who? Better build? How do you figure? I personally feel Billy's young lady is as beautiful as they come. I live in San Diego, plenty of beautiful women here (mostly Russian, it seems), but I don't see women that are "more physically attractive" or with "a better build" that what I see in the photos that Billy has posted.
Your experience mirrors mine perfectly :)
As Beothius and others have noted, these women, however, won't generally date, let alone marry, 40-year-old men.
I always see then with young handsome boys around their own age. Cannot imagine any of them touch our dear Billy with a 6-foot pole though.
In many poor countries, including Ukraine, they indeed can.
In many EU countries, the age of consent is 13, 14 or 15. In a couple of Latin American countries, the age of consent is 12. I suppose one could say it is "nobody's business" if middle aged men (or women) seduce young teens/children in these countries, and technically, that is correct. But is it moral? Is it within the confines of decency?
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Good point Boethius. I hate to play the Devils Advocate, but it is only within the past 100 years that 18 year old females were considered "children". That is because we are modern? Yet for thousand of years an 18, 16, 14 or even 12 year old was considered of marriageable age--at the onset of her first period. This is true of the whole of human history. I neither support nor condem the concept-- but hey...thats ancient and recent history in a nutshell. As a species we have not changed so much; except technologically. Shakespeare and Euripides are just as provoking now as they were when written, 500 or 2500 years ago. Scientists still consider us Homo Sapiens with little changes since our forebearers, we have not evolved into a new species. Turn back to just the early 1900's and an unmarried 20 year old girl was considered and old maid on the road to spinsterhood.
In these countries men who are seeking younger, more beautiful women and will have so many more choices as compared to what is available in Canada or America.
When the economic situations in Russia and Ukraine improve, the majority of those women will no longer be available.
No woman here said she's unattractive, Jack,
When the economic situations in Russia and Ukraine improve, the majority of those women will no longer be available.
I personally feel Billy's young lady is as beautiful as they come.
Did you take Mommy along on dates, Jooky?
Of course! And I still do! :P
Did you take Mommy along on dates, Jooky?
Of course! And I still do! :P
So Boethius you can say when the economy get's better the women will not be leaving. I do not believe that most women are leaving today because of the economy, but more to do with the Rus/Ukr men.
FSUWs, if given a choice between a RM/UM living out west and in the same places WMs are, the greater percentage of them will opt for RMs/UMs.
Jezzus folks, does the hypocrisy not bother you at all, not one little bit?. You have the nerve to blame RM for being irresponsible when it comes to their offspring, and yet you yourselves are chasing said offspring.. :rolleyes2: In my experience, the staunchest critics of RM as unfaithful deadbeats have no use for women most RM will date, particularly women over 30 with "baggage". I realize it's good for your egos to trash RM every chance you get, but at least have the decency to acknowledge your own less than noble proclivities..
Western men "want" to believe the hype (often perpetuated by the MOB business) that Eastern men are shiftless drunks. RW/UW many times use this as an excuse to cover for their own mistakes or inadequacies. Those in the know also know it's pure Bullsh!t. Just hype. Perhaps alcohol is more of a problem in the East with the male population but there is also the same problem in the West. Why it gets amplified as being an Eastern problem is IMO, directly related to the hype.
Evidently, you don't travel in big circles in Toronto, Lily. Stand outside Bay Street office towers, or walk through Yorkville, or even Holt Renfrew's women's department on a Saturday, and you will see dozens of women with the same or a better build, and who are more physically attractive.
Misha, I have been in the UofT for a few social occasions, as well as in Ryerson. Still not that many attractive girls, IMHO.
I could be wrong in my observations/interpretations, BUT....I almost see an attitude of "envy" by FSUW toward their counterparts that were able to find and marry RM/UM here in the GoodOl' USA.
Anyway...maybe it's just me but I notice a certain element of response FSUWs have with FSUMs. I can't seem to put a finger on what exactly it is BUT, if pressed, I would say 'respect' is the best word I can come up with. Maybe the RWD's female posters can chime in and give us their perspective on this...again, I'm not stating absolution but just sharing things based on my own personal observation.
We know of two RWs who married RMs after getting divorced with their previous WM hubbies...
According to my wife, the husbands (AM), didn't know how to "behave" themselves.
I've handled all cheap shots, insults and questions about the validity of this thread just fine so far and you think you're going to come here late into the game and prove BillyB is an idiot and doctor mom incompetent?I don't think you're an idiot. Great English BTW.
You could have played it safe and asked me my opinion on safe sex and watch my reply to see if I'd hang myself but no, in an all out effort to get me you decide to go for broke and announce to everyone an idiot is writing this thread. Every challenge I've got to answer so hope you don't feel dumb after this.
GOB, I have a picture in my head that you are talking to a doctor about birth control and after your conversation, you go tell everyone that the dumb doctor you spoke to has some strange view about safe sex. :rolleyes2:
When I wrote my last post, I contemplated explaining for the dummies reading that pulling out before finishing is a way of birth control in a loving relationship/marriage and that I'm not talking safe sex with a woman I barely know. I knew I'd have to write that explanation now or later so I decided later in order to wait to see who'd open their mouth. Guess who opened their mouth?
This thread isn't only for you to learn about me but for me to learn about all of you. We can all learn about each other on how we react to certain situations or how emotionally affected we can get at times. I'm sure all the RW are reading with interest and amused by all the Western men getting flustered.
GOB, smart women will test the wit of a man they're dating especially if they're looking for a mate to pass on quality genes to future children. The dumb guys will not get a second date. You have taught the newbies a valuable lesson in your last post and it's not about safe sex.
Thank you. People could have searched the internet on their own and cut this thread back 2 pages but some chose to find anything said by anybody on the internet to dispute the "Official Day" Columbus discovered America. Doesn't matter if he landed on an island, he gets the credit for finding the whole place.
You have a nasty habit of trying to point out every little insignificant mistake of mine. The main problem is what you point out isn't even a mistake. I told you before in this thread there's more than one way to translate Russian to English. Read the search engine in the agency below for city names. Your L'viv is Lvov and your Ivano-Frankivsk is Ivano-Frankovsk to them. Go search many other dating sites that have Russian/Ukrainian employees who translated their cities names to English and you will find out ole BillyB isn't as wrong as you would like others to believe.
http://mydearwoman.com/women-look-men/For-Man-Search-ses-Page.html
No big loss to me. My theories isn't designed to attract men, only help them. I don't agree with other men's theories myself. The Cossack I spoke of earlier said all women belong in the kitchen. I said they belong in the kitchen and bedroom. The RW and RM at the table didn't take offence to his or my comments. If those RM have pleased their RW in their own ways for the RW to accept the role their man wants them in, then great. They are all happy. For some RW, it's important to please their man and I know it to be true because I have been pleased.
Is getting married a good way to measure success or finding a quality person to marry a better way to measure? I dated a RW who told me she got 17 marriage proposals this year. I didn't ask her for a second date but I didn't think she's a loser because she's single or I didn't want a 2nd date with her. I could have had at least 5 RW who would accept a marriage proposal from me this year but I'm not going to marry the first woman that will have me.
It's not talked about here at all but I think we all suspect most men will marry the first woman that would have them. They go to the FSU determined to seal the deal with a or any RW even if she's not compatible or marriage material. I'm picky and want someone that has the same ideals as I and walking the same path.
Most of you figured out by now I don't plan to be the woman in the house 50% of the time. I don't plan to be the woman in the house even 1% of the time. If I have to cook or clean for my lady if she's ill or tired, I would do it because I love her, not because it's my turn. I have to be the MAN of the house. A woman would have to naturally respect me for my brains and leadership. If a woman doesn't respect a man, she shouldn't marry him, period. I like being the boss. I'm the boss at work and those that work for me and those I work for respect me. I make a lot of good decisions and handle well those who try to shaft me. The respect given to me is earned, not because of my position.
People are trying to kill me to finish this! I guess that's a good thing. I've been fortunate to be working 6 days a week lately in this tough economy especially in the construction industry. Your government, not mine, bailed out the banks. The government didn't tell the banks to help it's citizens so the banks held onto the money and didn't loan money out to developers for their projects. Half the city inspectors have been fired since there's not much to inspect. If this government understood how capitalism works, they'd understand nearly everytime money moves and changes hands, they get to tax it which is good for them and they can keep their inspectors working and projects creating infrastructure happening which in turn create jobs for people who get a paycheck which in turn the government gets to tax.
I'm not purposely dragging this out. I'm just busy. I've also got kids that visit me occasionally. If it doesn't work out with A, I'd remain a single man and have to start Life Changes part 3. Now that could be another long story that could get people fired up even more. Although some people here can't handle some of the questions mom asked me, I've enjoyed my conversations with her. She doesn't hold back and the more she talks to me, through her I understand how A feels about me. If mom wasn't talking to me or not talking to me about anything serious, then I would take it as if mom doesn't have an interest in me getting together with her daughter.
A few days in Ivano-Frankivsk. Spelled the way to make Boethius happy and for me to stay out of an argument that may burn 2 more pages. :)
We get to our apartment and pass by a school where A told me that she learned gymnastics there. She got kicked out because she grew too fast one year becoming too tall for her age. A told me that she could still put both legs behind her neck. I will admit that I had ungentlemanly thoughts at that moment.
Maybe I didn't look hard enough but I didn't see any Soviet style apartments in the city. The city looked different as if the Soviets never been there yet it was in Ukraine. A and mom tells me that most people in the area do not like Russians. The people there looked different too as they did in Lviv. If you can tell the difference between Poles and Russians, both are Slavic, many of the people in Western Ukraine looked Polish.
I finished taking a shower in the apartment and come out with no shirt and wearing only shorts. It is cooler in Western Ukraine but still hot to the point I feel more comfortable with less clothes on. A is sitting on the couch watching tv so I lay on the couch and put my head on her lap. A puts one hand on my chest and the other hand on my head rubbing her fingers through my hair. I grab her hand off my chest and kiss it and put it back. The body language and physical contact interaction with A is where I would like it. When some of you guys are heading to the FSU for the first time. Don't let the beauty of the woman in front of you cloud your judgement. Evaluate her body language. It means much more than words.
I know some you guys are against posting photos on the internet. If you want me to stop posting photos, just let me know. Or you can close your eyes at the end of every post of mine. That trick works too
WHY do most men go to Ukraine/Russia to seek a wife?
"More choices and could find a much better looking, sexier, younger woman" END of Story.
In my opinion Boethius the better economy is NOT going to change these women's outlook on life, the way's and manners of the Russian and Ukraine men however will.
BillyB, you have a picture of that girl, you, and the mother?
For Billy's contraception education; http://www.contraceptivetechnology.org/table.html Perhaps he can pass it on to the mother of his prospective child-bride.
Did you take Mommy along on dates, Jooky?
I almost see an attitude of "envy" by FSUW toward their counterparts that were able to find and marry RM/UM here in the GoodOl' USA.
We have no idea, however, what does she think of her future with Bill. This will come in the thread, I suppose?
re--photos of A
she is very attractive, but I think you need a new digital camera with a much better lens.
the photos are very very grainy.
I also read with amusement that you bought her a "present" for $1.50. was that the best you could do?!!
I want to be clear Jack I'm not going to the FSU to find a younger better looking woman. I'll go anywhere to find a quality woman. I'd even go to the FSU for an older women and after just peaking at bride.ru, there are 2 good looking women older than I that just signed up. If I had quality correspondence, we hit it off if we met, and they are good women, I'd have no problem marrying either one of them.
http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861078P4.html
http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/860/860861P2.html
http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861078P4.html
http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/860/860861P2.html
Apropos of Bride.RU profiles, their list of new entries today includes a 44 y.o. (http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861145P1.html) with the most extensive photo documentation I've ever seen :o ;).
Apropos of Bride.RU profiles, their list of new entries today includes a 44 y.o. (http://bride.ru/ph/htcgi/ladies/861/861145P1.html) with the most extensive photo documentation I've ever seen :o ;).
Billy, have you ever talked to A about what does she feel toward you?
It's threads like this that make me appreciate my life more.. Not being told to stimulate my prostate every day by skeezy middle-aged women is something I will treasure from here on out..
On a lighter note,
a trip to the Carpathian mountains.....$35
two lame Ukrainian get-ups...............$10
getting poked in the kidneys at the end of the day.............PRICELESS :D
A doesn't speak her feelings but I can tell her feelings based on the way she acts towards me and the talks mom has with me from time to time. Mom also told me she never seen her daughter so nervous and worried before meeting me for the first time. A confessed later she was hoping to make my visit pleasant and me happy and even worried I might not have shown up.
Before I visited A I asked her how she sees her life in the future and in marriage. At the end of my visit to her, I asked how she sees a future life with me. She told me she could see a life with me and promised me that she would never hurt me or leave me. It's the kind of promises young people make but I tend to believe her because I felt based off her behavior she would be a loyal and devoted woman to the man she makes a commitment to.
Your girlfriends mom suuure likes to talk to you about sex a lot. Anything your not telling us? ;D ;D
Her expressed promises look good to me. At the same time, is she a kind of person who stick to her word, once given?
In case she uses her mom as a kind of mediator for communicating feelings, this may be good in case she and her mom are really close. Here it seems to me that the mother steers her behavior the way the mother deems good and necessary. Mother is her boss now. I wonder what happens if and when Billy marries A and takes her to the States. How A will do without her mom?
Billy: Have you and 'A' been alone together yet or is Mom always there?
Billy no disrespect intended but... from what you've written I think A's mother wants to bang you til the cows come home ;D
Me thinks some of you are jealous because my MIL(Mother in Law) is better than yours. Does your MIL shove money down another woman's bra in public or give you a high quality sex education? I think not.
Mom asked why I told A to help her when she wants A to study. I told mom her current education won't be any good in America.
Does your MIL shove money down another woman's bra in public or give you a high quality sex education? I think not.
We were sitting in the kitchen and mom started to prepare food. I mention that mom seems to do most the cooking and cleaning. A goes into defense mode and claims she helps mom a lot but mom says she doesn't want A to do so much in the house because she has to study. I believe mom and tell A I want her to help her mom more often and the more she learns now, the easier life will be when she has her own family.
What do you guys think?
What do you guys think? Do we look like a good pair or is A out of my league?
Sorry, but I also see from the body language in all these photos that A is not in love with you, or even in lust.
Earlier you said:
"She is studying online and getting a European education and travels to Europe for her exams."
What's wrong with European education?
Evidence that A is still a child and not ready for marriage.
The way A poses tells me she is more sophisticated than you think.
Sorry, but I also see from the body language in all these photos that A is not in love with you, or even in lust.
Why did you cut Mumski's picture out?
Billy I think you really should think this whole marriage thingie to an 18 year old girl over. Seriously, consult a professional and get their feedback on the drawbacks/positives of you marrying an 18 year old FSU girl. You will probably not heed their words but at least you will get an educated and informed opinion.
It almost feels like you're seeking some sort of validation from the members here
You will do what you want
Guys, I don't have photos where A is jumping up and down waving at me as I exit the doors of baggage claim at the airport. I don't have a photo where I'm shirtless laying my head on A's lap while she rubs her fingers through my hair and her other hand rubs my chest.
Earlier in the thread I mention I told mom A has little experience with men and how to interact with them. In less than a week she's come a long way due to my behavior with her. As I mentioned earlier she is taking my arm and hands while walking down the street without me having to initiate hand holding during our first days together
A girl can be sophisticated in the way she presents herself, yet too immature to enter into a marital relationship. A child who becomes defensive and argues is not ready for marriage.
This girl is not the naive waif you seem to think she is. That doesn't mean she is ready to be a wife, particularly to a man who has the baggage of an ex wife and children.
As for the photos, AJ, I think you are wrong. There is nothing in the way A poses with Billy, or in her eyes that suggests any love or affection for him. I had a few photos of me with my husband at about that time, just after we met (now in my MIL's possession), and you can tell we are in love. Go over to the photo gallery, and look at the photos of Dan and Olya, or Vaughn and Elvira, or Jet with his wife. You will see women who are in love. Billy's photos are empty. There's a reason for the adage "a picture is worth a thousand words".
What do you see or not see exactly in the photos?
What do you guys think?
I know a lot of you guys want to see mom since since you have the hots for her and the word "mom" has taken on a whole new meaning but sorry, I'm not going to post her photos.
By the way A is into me and based off the way she bahaves, she thinks of me as a MAN. She can officially call me her MAN now.
Can everyone agree that A is a beautiful lady? I believe mom when she says that guys are always asking for her number at the beach. She has a lot of attention from men on the internet too. I'm happy A has choices in life. It makes me feel better that she didn't settle for me because I'm the only guy that would talk to her. She had choices and lots to think about and out of all the guys that approached her, she chose me.
Billy. I bet I am older than A's mother. Maybe I would be interested. If it worked out you could be.....my son in law!!! COOL!! ;D
She doesn't lean into him the way a girl (particularly, a girl in her first serious relationship), even a reserved girl, would.
Her eyes are empty. There is no evidence of affection, let alone love, for him.
Billy. I bet I am older than A's mother. Maybe I would be interested. If it worked out you could be.....my son in law!!! COOL!! ;DAre you amenable to relocating to Lybia :-\ ;D?
In other words, impreganate her early if you marry. I am serious.
From what I heard in my life from others, a kid would be a weak bond if a woman wants to bind a man, but a powerful bond if a man wants to bind a woman.
IMHO, Gator gives a strong but good advice. Really.
From what I heard in my life from others, a kid would be a weak bond if a woman wants to bind a man, but a powerful bond if a man wants to bind a woman.
Sorry, but it is bad advice. A couple should only have a child when they are secure in their relationship and know they can both put the child's needs above theirs.
Children will strengthen a good marriage, but tear apart a weak marriage.
Billy needs to consider his existing sons. How would they, particularly the younger one, be affected by Dad making a new family, and, in that child's mind, children who live with Dad and hence, children he loves more than that child?
My personal philosophy is that young people should not marry unless they want to have children together and soon.
Regarding the bond of children, I agree with Lily IF the couple are secure in their relationship. The RWD archives are replete with happy couples having children. The divorced couples tend to be those without a common child.
I imagine he would love his children, none more than another albeit each in different ways.
My two sons were close with my two stepchildren. They bonded like brothers and sisters. The daughter still sneaks over now and then against her mama's instructions.
Just because a man is a widower or divorced with children does not mean he should deprive himself of a full life. Do you agree that everyone will be happier if he has a full life?
But your sons were grown.
Incidentally, your ex is wrong not to encourage her children's relationship with you and your sons. Fathers and male role models are critical to children, particularly in early adolescence.
No, actually, I don't.
Just because a man is a widower or divorced with children does not mean he should deprive himself of a full life. Do you agree that everyone will be happier if he has a full life?
If your mother had died when young, would you not want your father to have found love again. Sacrifice and suffering are not part of my religion. I retract that - I would sacrifice my suffering.
I'd have to say filing a K1 and then quickly impregnating a ukrainian teen, met one week (or 2) with her mother , would not be on the short list as something that would make *everyone* happy long term..
and i think thats the jist of where beothius was headed..
while both things do not have to be exclusive, or counter to each other,,
not everyone is in a position to do both..or ensure the final scenerio would be positive for "everyone"
but I'd have to say filing a K1 and then quickly impregnating a ukrainian teen, met one week (or 2) with her mother , would not be on the short list as something that would make *everyone* happy long term..
and i think thats the jist of where beothius was headed..
and for what its worth i wasn't commenting about A's interaction with you in the photos ,
those are mere moments in time , and to be taken lightly in my opinion.
I dont feel they tell a complete story either way.
She doesn't lean into him the way a girl (particularly, a girl in her first serious relationship), even a reserved girl, would.
This girl is not the naive waif you seem to think she is. That doesn't mean she is ready to be a wife, particularly to a man who has the baggage of an ex wife and children.
To put it politely BB, I think you are delusional.
Did A told you expressly that she is into you, in plain words? Or were you interpreting her behavior?
will she still prefer you to a number of American men when she will live her life with you in the US, while working, studying, going out with friends, meeting people? Are you prepared to face competition at your home?
it seems to me Billy is still just trying to convince himself that a relationship and the OWW is the thing to do. He knows it is not. There is something in Billy deep down that knows at some point this is going to blow even though his libido is forcing him to plow forward. It's going to be interesting and I suspect more and more bizarre.
Billy, a K-1 after one meeting and it was holiday with her mother? BIZARRE. Ask and ye shall receive
In other words, impreganate her early if you marry. I am serious. Then devote every moment to her. Ready for that?
The competition is over. I beat my competition when A invited me to Ukraine and promised to show me around the country and be with me the whole time. Although the competition was over, I almost didn't claim my prize. The J-1 visa girl was going to come stay at my house and if things worked out with the J-1 visa girl, I would have never visited A. As fate has it, the J-1 girl accepted a job in NY and never came.
Now I am confused. Has A already spent time in the US?
You say that the competition is over, but it looks like it did not even started yet. When A invited you to Ukraine, she only gave you a chance to try on her. No one can tell what happens after she comes with you in the US and will live her life on American soil, getting in touch with Americans.
Now, as you write, she decided that you are her man. So far so good, as long as you are a Westerner in Ukraine and thus you very favorably differ from the local man.
This is not to be skeptical Billy, I sincerely wish you happiness. I am just a bit concerned whether A will believe that you are still her best man after having spent some years in the US.
I'm speechless.
Billy, in the photos with your ex she looks very into you. If you had pictures of the 18 year old like this many of the questions would go away.
Your other pictures with the 18 year she looks very uncomfortable.
Why is this 18 year old in Libya?
Are you another guy that thought I was talking about safe sex? I can guarantee you that what I, A and mom talked about is much less perverted than what's talked about at HRB/RLM which you seem to have no problem with.
Velena, if you would have me as a lover, you will find I'm not like the average man who lasts a few minutes and you'd be disappointed. I have stamina and you will achieve your daily orgasm if not multiple. Maybe we are not compatible and you wouldn't want me for a husband but you may retain me as a friend or a lover for a short term relationship until you find the man that you could live all life with. I get along with a lot of ladies with opposite views on life and politics but I couldn't live in the same house with them long term.
Leaving Ivano-Frankivsk
After spending all day together A and I met up mom and her friend L. They wanted to see me off too so we met at the train station and mom had bought me all kinds of expensive Ukrainian made chocolates. Before getting on the train me and A hugged for a long time till it was time to go. When it was time for me to board mom hugs me and whispers in my ear "I will teach A well for you". Mom knows I wished A knew more and mom is a good teacher since she knows how to please a man. If A fully adapts mom's teachings, she will keep me pleased. After hugging mom, mom's friend L grabs both my cheeks and kisses me 3 times on the lips.
It seems to me that you were the guy who would dump a girl if she wrote 'kisses' or 'tseluyu' in a letter and, now, you are writing about a lot more than kisses to a forum member who certainly doesn't need this crap.
on leaving- you get hugs from your romantic interest ,
and kisses on the lips from her mothers friend.
it just seems a little bass ackwards.
It seems *Mom's* already decided you are to be her SIL
Either she told the secret profile she was involved with you, or you should have gave your email to the hot black haired chick at the airport.
I got kisses from A. Kisses from her mom and mom's friend on the lips are not unusual in the FSU if they feel close to you.
There's a big difference between scammers writing kisses in a letter and me talking love, romance, and life with real people. Tom, read the thread some more. You are behind and catching up. You will find that the ladies aren't as bothered with what I write as you and other men are. I hope some of you guys are talking more than just the weather with your ladies.
Billy, what photos did you use for your secret profile, I am curious?
Actually my best guess is at the moment ,she told his secret profile she was madly in love with a certain man..
A replied that she's in love.
For some reason Billy's saga here reminds me so much about another 'Guy' a while back. Anyone else around get nagging feelings of parallelism with PG? Quick trip, K1 paperwork in pocket, flying high, barely a kiss, no sex, parental dependence and huge threads on RWD filled with obsessive prose. Will be interesting to see how things develop..
Boy I really wish jb was still hanging around.. he'd probably pop in and state that things are simply not adding up to what it should be and if you insist the numbers are there he'd tell you it added up to two words.. 'ur screwed'.
Oh that's great news Billy! This is meaningful. Congratulations!
The only way that things could have played out as you have described them, would be for A. to have had an active profile after she was in love with you. Obviously, this begs some inconvenient questions.
On a thread from the other forum, you insisted that I should post a fictitious profile and try to entrap some women. Would you like me to post a profile and see if I can entrap A.? Are the ethical problems with such a thing starting to sink in yet?
Anyone else around get nagging feelings of parallelism with PG?
barely a kiss, no sex
at this point even you should admit that Dev and Baba have you pegged right to the pin-board. You may feel otherwise, but that's exactly what it looks like from the this side of the fence. My gut says they clearly have the upper hand and are making the decisions.
Boy I really wish jb was still hanging around.. he'd probably pop in and state that things are simply not adding up to what it should be and if you insist the numbers are there he'd tell you it added up to two words.. 'ur screwed'
My only suggestion to realize that finding a woman to sign the paperwork is waay too easy.
I've heard so much from you about 'being a Man' that I almost barfed with your fake profile shenanigans. You really stooped low with that one in my book.
This is what Billy wants and as usual--the guy gets to pay for it.
Tell me why A is not a fine woman?
For some reason Billy's saga here reminds me so much about another 'Guy' a while back. Anyone else around get nagging feelings of parallelism with PG? Quick trip, K1 paperwork in pocket, flying high, barely a kiss, no sex, parental dependence and huge threads on RWD filled with obsessive prose. Will be interesting to see how things develop..
Don't know about PG. BillyB's story reminds me a bit of the beginning of KenC and Lena's story from how KenC used to describe it.
I do believe that everything BillyB writes about is true, and he may very well marry A. There are some couples on this very forum that are waaay wackier than Billy and A. and yet they seem to be doing ok.
How long this lasts for BillyB is a totally different question though. I think it 90% depends on how smart or stupid A. is. Hopefully she is not stupid enough to have babies right away and focus on being a perfect little Stepford wife for Billy, but will make something of herself in the US and get a useful degree at least.
Well, hopefully her Mom will look out for A's interests in this marriage as well.
"Testing" a woman who you say will marry you is unethical. "
"Testing" a woman you say you love proves you don't really love her,
Very good, thank you Boethius.
BillyB as you have one expressed opinion, I will offer mine.
I see nothing wrong with you or any man "testing" any woman who you think could be a possible wife. Many men do so and with a clear conscious.
Trying to recruit people to join your bandwagon? PG and I are two very different men.
Is being married a burden? Is there a price to pay for it? Are there any benefits and rewards or should I stay single and reap the benefits and rewards of that?
A few weeks ago I read a bumper sticker that said "God sent me an angel and I married her". The guy driving the vehicle was certainly proud of his wife and advertised it. If a guy meets a fine woman, he would be dumb not to marry her. Tell me why A is not a fine woman?
Billy, Where in the world did I type that A was not a fine girl/woman? In fact, where did I type anything negative about A or you or your relationship? :rolleyes2: Don't get all lathered up.
But now I will tell you a little something. Being married to an 18/19 year old does have it's problems especially because of the difference in the stage of life you are each in. Very different. She's is still growing and the USA will have plenty of distractions once here. But who knows? Maybe things will work out. My grandmothers each got married at 16.
I wish you good luck.
PG? Billy is nothing like PG. The later knew zero about the FSU or RW while Billy has been around.
I think it 90% depends on how smart or stupid A. is. Hopefully she is not stupid enough to have babies right away...
Billy wrote that A. wasn't as sharp as he is.
Trying to recruit people to join your bandwagon? PG and I are two very different men.
Baiting me for some answers? I told everyone that I won't talk about everything in the trip but there are more things that happened that would shock you more than the talk I had with mom.
What have you been reading? Mom and A has pegged me? A has lots of men writing her. Her profile was listed in Europe. Mom tells me fellow doctors have asked her permission to marry her daughter. Lot's of men on the beach hit on her. Out of all the men she could choose from, she and her mom choose me? Yep, BillyB is the American man they decided to use and screw over. It took me many months to get A's phone number. I doubt she was jumping at the chance to hitch a ride to America with any guy. I took it as she was being cautious with men and wanted to choose wisely.
A and her mom cooked me many meals. They bought me many gifts and gave a pearl necklace to give to to my mom. They had opportunities to try to crack open my wallet and they didn't. I was introduced to lots of people in their life. This is their behavior towards me without any promises from me to marry or be in any kind of relationship with A. They were very good hostesses to me. This was said before but is there anything good an FSU woman can do without you thinking they are talking advantage of a man?
Invite jb here if you value his opionion more than your own. Me thinks some of you are not happy with the results and the fact I can't be screwed. I'm a very happy man in a relationship and I'm a very happy man being single. To be able to forge your life and be happy wherever you go is a great thing. Try it. You won't be lonely and you cry less. Just because you can feel some kinds of pain doesn't mean I'll feel it.
Earlier you were getting bored with the thread and asked me to get back to you when the paperwork is signed. You mentioned the signed paperwork as if it's getting real results. Now it's too easy for guys to get FSU women to marry them? I've never seen you say that before. Most men go to the FSU and come back empty handed. From my experience, most FSU women are not desperate and stoop to low levels to get married for reasons other than love. Your statement is an insult to FSU women, not me.
Months ago I mentioned I would test a lady I was in a relationship with and you didn't say a thing.
A week ago I posted that I did a test and you and Tom didn't say a thing. You both stayed quiet and waited for the results. If the results was A told men on the internet she's still single, people would have praised me for avoiding a disaster but....the result isn't what you both wanted to hear so now the insults come out? Why didn't you speak up before if you really felt that way? I continue to learn more about human behavior in this thread. I'm glad to learn you two are fine gentlemen with moral and ethical standards above the rest and would speak your mind in a moments notice on an issue of concern. ;)
I remember a guy coming onto the forum saying he hired a private detection to see what his fiancee is doing in the FSU. He found out she had another boyfriend. Do you feel he's an unethical guy too? I don't feel bothered with what he did. He may have had a good reason. As long as a man and woman isn't insecure and tests their partner over and over with fake profiles, hiring detectives every month, or installing key loggers on the computer, I'm not bothered if they want to make sure their significant other isn't trying to use them. Make no mistake, your lady will test you. She may watch your eyes, she may have her friend hit on you. She may tell you she has no problem if you to go to the strip club.
Billy,
I asked if you would like me to create a fictitious profile and try to entrap A.
Hopefully she is not stupid enough to have babies right away and focus on being a perfect little Stepford wife for Billy, but will make something of herself in the US and get a useful degree at least.
I see nothing wrong with you or any man "testing" any woman who you think could be a possible wife. Many men do so and with a clear conscious.
As far as testing a woman. Unless she gives you cause for concern I would see no reason to test her. If she does give you cause for concern, it is probably better to run than to test her.
Where in the world did I type that A was not a fine girl/woman?
thing that bothers me about it is the description of Mama's involvement in A's decision making process. While having the MIL as an ally has been described as a wonderful asset at times, so much involvement just seems over the top..
Billy: When children arrive, women know they are mothers whilst men assume they are fathers. :D
why would any man purposefully pursue a woman noticeably less bright than himself?
she wears fishnet stockings during summer
Pitbull, maybe there was a time in your life where you had big dreams meeting a wonderful a man that you would melt in his arms for the rest of your life. Maybe you would do anything for him. Cook, clean, and happily wash his dirty underwear. Maybe you have met a lot of disappointment and you require much more from a man if you are to marry him. I've dated enough older women to understand they've met disappointment and if they do or say something that doesn't make me happy and blame it on a previous man in their life, I tell them "don't punish me for what another man has done to you".
Yes, many (perhaps most) FSU people like to use the )))) without any eyes or nose. I tried to explain to them the error of their ways . . . but to no avail. :-)
Yes, many (perhaps most) FSU people like to use the )))) without any eyes or nose. I tried to explain to them the error of their ways . . . but to no avail. :-)
The )))))'s represent how many teeth the woman has left.. if she smiles with )), she has the jack rabbit look... just hope you never get one like this )) )) , or ')'''')' . In the case of the latter, be sure to wear neck protection.
) = having a bad or so-so day and you almost, kinda made her smile
)) = half smiling; smirk; stupid joke kind of smile
))) = genuine happy smile
)))) = you made her laugh and want to hug you
))))) = she wants to plant a big fat kiss on your mug and make you smile as much as she
)))))+ = watch out! Get on a friggin plane now!
In my experience they [self-proclaimed "Real Macho Men"] tend to have low IQ, are bad lovers (those two correlate I believe) and generally fit the "Large truck - small d.ck" description.
Have you met Papa yet, Billy?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/8197617/German-man-castrates-teenage-daughters-57-year-old-boyfriend.html
I find it even more strange that A's mother is welcoming this relationship.
Oh, yes the only disappointment I've experience before meeting my husband, was in self-proclaimed "Real Macho Men". In my experience they tend to have low IQ, are bad lovers (those two correlate I believe) and generally fit the "Large truck - small d.ck" description.
Gaddafi had a team of nurses and "relies heavily on his long-time Ukrainian nurse, Galyna Kolotnytska, who has been described as a 'voluptuous blond,'" said a secret cable from the Tripoli embassy dated September 29, 2009, written by the US ambassador, Gene Cretz.
"Some embassy contacts have claimed that Gaddafi and the 38 year-old Kolotnytska have a romantic relationship,"
How old is Mom BB ?
Good for you Billy. You seem to know what you want out of life and make sure you get it. I love the attitude.
I have one question, as one who is new in game. I´ve been e-mailing with a girl from St. Petersburg through a site which is not at all a dating site, but I enjoy talking to her and we´ll see what happends.
I did notice that some FSU women (and her of course) has a tendency to write a lot of )))) in a row at the end of sentences. Is that suppose to be a smiley or many smileys or what is the deal with that? Is the any difference between let´s say three ))) and five )))))?
If it is a smiley, how come they don´t make smileys like or =) or :-) and the like?
Have you met Papa yet, Billy?
I find it even more strange that A's mother is welcoming this relationship.
I am sure that not everything is as we have been told.
I am sure that not everything is as Billy imagines.
I am sure that this this girl's mother has an agenda that might, or might not, be shared with her young daughter.
I would hazard a guess the mother's "agenda" was shared with her daughter.
Yeah mom has an agenda! She wants her daughter to be happy and educated.
How many of you have the love, time and energy to give your kids so that they learn 5 languages and bring them up in a way that they never use bad language and have exceptionally good manners?
Either you or I is wrong and the forum needs to understand which one of us can't distinguish sincere from the insincere women.
Do you think she's devoted to a man?
I don't talk much and I look for women that are into me and do most of the talking.
According to A's profile at the site I met her on, she hasn't visited it in months. She visited it recently to remove it and didn't even tell me. What's the agenda here? Do you think she's devoted to a man?
Happy New Year everyone!
Fortunately for A, she has not experienced the pain you've experienced.
I for one believe in President Theodore Roosevelt's motto "Speak softly and carry a big stick".
However, I can say that I have devoted enough love, time and energy to my kids that none of them will be offering themselves up to middle aged men/women on internet sites at age 17.
This, my friend, is proof that you are deluded.
I think you'll come to regret this thread.
when A. gets her GC and leaves and you start trying again
you have free choice and only God can judge you.
Some parents also devoted enough love, time and energy to teach their kids not to offer themselves up to Blacks, Asians, or even foreigners of the same color skin too. There are better things to teach kids about than to discriminate... even against age.
The fact that A tells you she would forgive you for adultery tells me she does not love you. Any woman who is being honest will tell you the same thing.
This complete thread is REALLY a hoot to read and imagine such a Lothario/Don Juan/Casanova loose in Ukraine deluding himself about so much. :popcorn: Please continue.........
This complete thread is REALLY a hoot to read and imagine such a Lothario/Don Juan/Casanova loose in Ukraine deluding himself about so much. :popcorn: Please continue.........
It wasn't about age. It was about trolling for men on the internet.
The fact that A tells you she would forgive you for adultery tells me she does not love you.
I'm waiting for the breakup story because I'm certain you'll come up with something none of us could have ever imagined.
A never told me she loves me but she tells me she misses me in 95% of my calls to her. Ever since my visit to her she started to put heart symbols in her emails to me. There's not much reason for us to write by email anymore but she continues to send me lots of photos. She wants to share her life with me even though we're far apart. Ever since my visit to A our bond has become stronger although we're separated by time and distance.
I'll let you guys in on a little secret. A preferred to find a younger man to marry. She also understands most of society won't look upon our marriage favorably simply because of our age difference. I asked her why she chose me. She said age was a factor against me but it's a minor factor. The most important factors for her was that a man be good, wise, provide stability in her life and made her feel comfortable. She said other men didn't seem serious for a serious relationship or talked stupid. She is happy she found me and is very excited about her future life with me. One of her goals is to marry once in her life and she understands she needs a good, wise and stable man to make that goal come true.
A never told me she loves me but she tells me she misses me in 95% of my calls to her. Ever since my visit to her she started to put heart symbols in her emails to me. There's not much reason for us to write by email anymore but she continues to send me lots of photos. She wants to share her life with me even though we're far apart. Ever since my visit to A our bond has become stronger although we're separated by time and distance.
Ever since my visit to her she started to put heart symbols in her emails to me.
You're lucky you met in Algeria--in most U.S. States, you'd have been chargeable with statutory rape for sexual relations with a minor. In Texas, in fact, it is impossible for a girl under 18 to consent to sex with a man more than a couple years her senior--regardless of her consent, it is still statutory rape.
No matter how "mature" she seems, there are many changes she'll go through over the next few years. Assuming you marry, the strong likelihood is that it'll be fairly temporary.
Note that is a "likelihood" and not a complete given. Some do survive--just enough, in fact, to make someone cling to the idea that it can, in fact, work. The overwhelming percentage, however, do not last.
I do hope you have enough sense to avoid having children for a few years, though. The victims of the early divorces are usually small kids.
David
It's time for some of the guys here MAN up.
If you had more experience with other children,....
It's also abnormal for a 17 yo girl to know 5 languages and have exceptionally good manners. Somebody is going to marry that abnormal girl. Why not me?
As I mention earlier in this thread, "no". He is a major for INTERPOL working in a different country.
A and her mom are either spies or recruited by the terrorists during trip to Lybia (or before). Now they need to legally get into USA to continue building their plot. That explains girl's 5 languages, her trip to Europe for "studying/exams", and her "mom" tolerating rude remarks of 40+ dude sitting in her kitchen and telling her 17yo daughter "you should start doing kitchenwork with your mom because this is what you will do in my house". Yeah, what a fantastic "career" prospective for an educated and well-mannered teenager who speaks 5 languages and whose dad is a major in INTERPOL. DUH :rolleyes2:
Ok, here is my version of events.
A and her mom are either spies or recruited by the terrorists during trip to Lybia (or before). Now they need to legally get into USA to continue building their plot. That explains girl's 5 languages, her trip to Europe for "studying/exams", and her "mom" tolerating rude remarks of 40+ yo dude sitting in her kitchen and telling her 17yo daughter "you should start doing kitchenwork with your mom because this is what you will do in my house". Yeah, what a fantastic "career" prospective for an educated and well-mannered teenager who speaks 5 languages and whose dad is a major in INTERPOL. DUH :rolleyes2:
"Mom" would prefer to get Billy's interest so that she doesn't have to use the teenager girl as a skapegoat. But for now, Billy is only into "young meat". So "mom" and "daughter" keep him hooked.
Just so you know, Billy, travelling abroad for the purpose of having sex with a minor and having sex with a minor (even if it wasn't the original purpose of the trip) are both federal crimes. If she really is a minor, then it would be a really good thing if the closest that you two have come to sex is discussion about coitus interruptus, your legendary virility and your splendid equipment.
Egads 'A' is Anna, eh? Of course I know you're just joking there, mies...but you know big brother may not think so....they're a bit short on humor these days... ;)
OH PLEASE!!
Don't encourage him to "chase" any morechildrenyoung Russian girls. :evil:
GOB
... is he from the Ozarks or Applachians ...?Probably not.
Yo, Yo, Yo, dog. Wat up with all the haters out there? Why U dissing me?
If I talked immature, I'd never catch a quality woman too.
Wake up and smell the coffee Felix.
I can take you young guys to school
Probably not.
But I am.
And I've lived in the Appalachians also.
It is bizarre to you, mies? It sounds like a hundred stories I heard in Kyiv back in the bad old days of propiskas. All, except for the absent father/"Interpol agent".
The stories all had the same inevitable ending.
The plot thickens :o :D. Maybe she's a perspective new FSB/GRU mole, now that Anna Chapman has been exposed and is no longer operative :-\.
I see as possible a mom and daughter who do not have education nor sufficient income designing a plot to move to USA, *suffer* for a "good cause" few years, and then "get a life they deserve" or trade up.
In the Western Ukraine many people go to work in Europe, stay there for many years, and send money home so that their children could have a better life, a home, start a new family, get an education. I know many stories when mother or father would lavish their kids with hard-earned money only to see them happy, to marry whom they fancy, and to get a good boost early in adult life. I have never seen the woman who can earn money herself, but wants her daughter to go into such arrangement as the one A is into.
Yeah, I know those stories too. Residents who treated their village spouse like a lesser human, because they could. I also knew a lot of the women who swept the streets, markets and parks in downtown Kyiv, so that they could earn a propiska. My husband saw much uglier things - a pretty young girl doesn't have her residency, is stopped by the police, and was threatened - have sex with three of them, or be sent back to the village with a stamp so she could never return. That story was pretty common.
ETA - I think everyone knows what an oligarch is. Nevistka - daughter in law. But it's used in a certain way in Ukrainian, lots of literature on the "poor" DIL. Propiska - Certain Soviet cities were closed. You couldn't get an apartment, or legally live or work in them, without a stamp. That wasn't always easy to do. But one way to do so was to marry a resident.
I don't like to talk about myselfWell, there goes all your credibility.
Also one RW doctor I dated(not mom) said she seen a lot of penises in her line of work and I have nothing to be ashamed about.You know as far as i'm concerned you can date whomever you want as long as both parties are ok with it, but really, how insecure does one have to be to make a comment like this? Not factoring in all the other comments along this line. For all the confidence you try to exhibit, don't you ever consider what your words convey? Come on now.
Quote from: BillyB on Yesterday at 17:38:33
Also one RW doctor I dated(not mom) said she seen a lot of penises in her line of work and I have nothing to be ashamed about.
But you have not robbed a cradle for a bride have you?That was your plan, not mine.
My age is 57 and ... they must be under 44 over 30...A 57 year old looking for a 31 year old. That is a bigger age gap than Billy...
That was your plan, not mine.
A 57 year old looking for a 31 year old. That is a bigger age gap than Billy...
And billy.... it's not dog, it's DAWG. Get your ebonics right! Not that you would know anything about it.
Billy: don't even THINK about inviting your girl to join RWD.
If I didn't know better, I'd swear that this thread is a parody. Take it for what it's worth, Billy: don't even THINK about inviting your girl to join RWD.
I think it would be fantastic to have her join in on this conversation.
It would take this thread to the next level.
Then maybe he could get Mom and Papa to join in subsequent seasons......
:ROFL: :ROFL:
I first saw that post and I thought it was pretty funny. The first thing that came to mind was....
!! WatUP World! I'm Slim Chin (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v3bfR3RKdO0). Based from the fah-iiist !!
"..U tink igots da crib by being slow? think agen...I got dis cuz I'm - baaaaaad!... git' freaky, git freaky, freaky like my lady pyramid!"
- sing-song-tym (Slim Chin will skool yah) -
"Fast Don't lie: F-A-S-T D-U-N-T L-I-E - EEEEEE!"
:P TFF This thread is too much. What a love story! It's never really having to say you're sorry - never at any point.
LOL.
Yeah, I know those stories too. Residents who treated their village spouse like a lesser human, because they could. I also knew a lot of the women who swept the streets, markets and parks in downtown Kyiv, so that they could earn a propiska.
I think it would be fantastic to have her join in on this conversation.
It would take this thread to the next level.
Then maybe he could get Mom and Papa to join in subsequent seasons......
Boethius, I'm not going to argue with your point of view about so called gold diggers - you have a point here. At all times there was such type of girls (and boys), who are called gold diggers, who would marry somebody in order then to get a part of an apartment in Kiev or a part of money of their husband, US residence or something like that. But all the information about this "propiska" digging sounds somehow weird.
First of all, propiska - or, for our out-of-topic-members - registered place of living, can be in ANY city of Ukraine, and at the same time you can live in another place. If you don't have propiska - it dosen't mean you can't live in Kiev - may be you mix it up with Moscow.
Second, people don't work to earn propiska. Because they don't need it and they can't earn it. In Soviet times, when there was no private property, and all the flats were "given" by the government, people swept streets, because janitors were given separate flats to live in, and other jobs were mostly given rooms in dorms. Nowadays, when a person can rent a flat, and janitors aren't given anything, it's not actual.
So you point is actually reasonable and understandable, but you don't get the "propiska" matter quite right, so the examples sound weird for an inhabitant of Ukraine :)
Finding a woman or girl that will marry you is the easiest part.
I do think this is an exploitative relationship
I am judging your actions, which are off my charts of acceptable moral behaviour.
My husband made no judgment about you. I said he would view anyone who committed adultery, is addicted to alcohol, drugs, etc., as weak. Then again, when I've read some of your posts to him, he has responded that these are the posts of a woman, not a man. He assumes the poster here is pulling everyone's leg.
to take more time
to solidify your relationship.
Rushing this, even slightly , under the specific circumstances, makes it appear bizarre.
to me this story looks way too bizarre
how insecure does one have to be to make a comment like this? Not factoring in all the other comments along this line. For all the confidence you try to exhibit, don't you ever consider what your words convey? Come on now.
Was it before you married your previous UW??? During that time? After that marriage failed? Was it when you were with your previous fiance??? Was it when she felt unable to marry you and come to the states?
A 57 year old looking for a 31 year old. That is a bigger age gap than Billy...
BillyB - the story becomes somewhat stretched up. I used to read it with a great interest, but for the past month or even longer your plot has been dawdling at one place. It's getting kinda boring - each post is about another phone call. The story definitely needs some fresh info.
Tell your husband to grow some balls and come here himself to say what he's got to say instead of saying it behind his wife.
When some people can't win, they try to invalidate the other person's words by saying it's all untrue. But what if everything I'm saying is true? Can we debate this thread based on truth? Is there anyone at this forum capable of dating some of the finest RW, physically and mentally that are listed at dating and marriage sites? Those women have to be dating and marrying someone so why not me?
Some people enjoy or get overly excited hearing my adventure with A while others enjoy the time when I was dating other women. I like to please RW and tonight Nat, I'm going to please you....by talking about other women instead of A.
Those women have to be dating and marrying someone so why not me?LOL, I doubt RWD has enough bandwidth to answer this question completely.
Based off the amount of times I said I call A since I got her phone number, I would have called her hundreds of times already. If your woman never hangs up the phone on you first, what does that tell you of her behavior? She's dedicated, respects you, and in love with you.
AJ, I thought I made it clear earlier of the path A and I I'm taking but it seems I have to repeat myself over and over. By the time A comes to America after our k-1 is finished, it would have been almost 2 years since I've first contacted her. There comes a point if you don't get the job done fast enough to be together with a woman, the woman will leave. Wasting years of your and a woman's life would be a bizarre thing to do.
Bizarre? Doesn't every man here have a beautiful RW from a far away strange land or at least pursuing one? Every RW has a bizarre story behind them too if that's what you want to call it. What's your story? :D
Chivo, a RW, Smile_too, asked me some important sexual questions in a respectable manner and I answered those questions the best way possible without giving my own opinion about myself by mentioning what other ladies thought. Most RW still value a man's physical abilities throughout a relationship. They are so important that some are asking these important questions right here online. The question is not only for me but for every man reading and they have some idea if they are or aren't pleasing their present or past ladies and if there is a problem, it needs to be address instead of dismissed.
Thanks for bringing that up JDG. Erudite criticizes and yet he's willing to enter into a relationship with a 26 year age gap which is larger than mine. He'd probably enter into a delusional relationship with a bigger age gap than he's willing to admit here. Most of my critics in this thread has or have been or willing to be in bigger age gaps than I. Bizarre. We are all certainly learning something about each other here.
Would your immigration officials really believe this is a legitimate relationship or are they going to spot it for a farce?
I mean, Billy is not a particularly handsome man, He's not tall or sophisticated, and from what he has posted he isn't wealthy. There's a vast age gap and they don't look like a "likely couple" in their photos.
The consular officer........some cognitive dissonance when he glances at the photos of the happy couple,
If your woman never hangs up the phone on you first, what does that tell you of her behavior?
So no, 90% chance they'll fly through the process barring any admin hiccups.. Unless TG's pal gets picked to do the interview.
That's the Manly Man's way!
The consular officer is more concerned with accuracy and completeness in the filling of documents than anything else. He will probably have some cognitive dissonance when he glances at the photos of the happy couple, but it's not within his purview to judge visual credibility.
Billy i do have to say I don't think i've ever met anyone that would agree to marry me in one week..
If i would ask, they'd just think i was crazy! lol
Bizarre? Doesn't every man here have a beautiful RW from a far away strange land or at least pursuing one? Every RW has a bizarre story behind them too if that's what you want to call it. What's your story? :D
Billy - in my story - there is absolutely nothing bizarre nor unusual. And I told it previously on this board. Also my land is not strange. I have no idea what kind of "far away strange land" you are talking about. Aliens are coming? Already? Wait, i'll get my popcorn. :popcorn:Believe me, Mies, your land is definitely strange to a westerner, but in the sense of "different." As for distance - if I have to travel for two days to reach my destination, by very fast aeroplane, then it is definitely "far away"! That's all fine by me - I love your far away strange land!
Just today I was watching video about kiwi bird right after watching the video about Tasmanian Devil.. awww....so cute :D both the bird and the marsupial..Lol, clever..!!
Just today I was watching video about kiwi bird right after watching the video about Tasmanian Devil.. awww....so cute :DMies, if you think the Tasmanian Devil is "cute" you'll be in for a shock when you meet one! Try to cuddle it :-* and you'll find out the true origin of "biting the hand that feeds!"
both the bird and the marsupial..
Mies, if you think the Tasmanian Devil is "cute" you'll be in for a shock when you meet one! Try to cuddle it :-* and you'll find out the true origin of "biting the hand that feeds!"
Billy - in my story - there is absolutely nothing bizarre nor unusual. And I told it previously on this board. Also my land is not strange. I have no idea what kind of "far away strange land" you are talking about. Aliens are coming? Already? Wait, i'll get my popcorn. :popcorn:
You shouldn't take the comment about "far-away, strange land" seriously. It was just a misquote of a phrase that has been erroneously attributed to Marco Polo: "a strange, far-away land." Americans often use quotations as a substitude for intelligent thought because we are mentally lazy. (I catch myself doing it, sometimes.) Some Americans carry on entire conversations with nothing but canned responses that they have uttered hundreds of times before. It's part of our culture, such as it is.
That's a pity; I find that some of the Russian expressions are very clever and charming. What passes for cleverness in the U.S. are Arnold Swartzennegger and Michael Meyers' one-liners. It's a sad commentary on the state of the American intellect that people so look up to these bone-heads that they imitate them. At least Billy has quoted Albert Einstein once (that I recall)...
Tom, thank you for your gracious and elaborate reply, and for explaining me about Marco Polo. I did not take Billy's comment seriously. I was in a playful mood and was merely teasing Billy. I hope he will forgive me for this frivolity.
We also use many canned phrases in Russian language, sometimes - too many. But they completely lose rich multi-layered meaning once translated into foreign language. Therefore, we never translate them, and never use them while speaking in foreign languages.
I like Ralph Waldos Emerson's unintentional wit: "I hate quotations. Tell me what you know."
My crowd is another story. My basic principle is that, given enough time and opportunity, everyone will betray me. This cynical philosophy dictates that I should never reject anyone who hasn't yet betrayed me, irrespective of how challenged (cranially or otherwise) he/she might be. One can always tune out an insipid conversation but one can't ignore the knife between the ribs.
Tom,
Obviously, you seem to be hanging around with the wrong crowd. I have many friends in Texas who are very clever indeed and who have the same sort of contempt for the intellectual "gifts" of Schwartzennegger and Meyers.
Personally, when I'm in a quoting mood it is as likely to be folks like Will Rogers, Ambrose Bierce, or a host of others including some rather obscure.
e.g.:
"Conservative, n. A statesman enamored of existing evils, as opposed to a Liberal, who wants to replace them with new ones." Ambrose Bierce, The Devil's Dictionary.
"It's easy being a humorist when you've got the whole government working for you."
Will Rogers
How about a quote that is ON TOPIC? Abraham Lincoln, "You can fool SOME of the people SOME of the time, but you cannot fool ALL of the people ALL of the time".
Hey Billy, Has A, your girlfriend and Mom joined the exodus out of Libya? What does she see there? Place is looking shakey with Mumar in the martyr mode.
http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/africa/02/22/libya.evacuations/index.html?hpt=T2#
Joking aside, these are actually a historically monumental events happening in the ME right now.
Heck, maybe BillyB's absence on the board may well be because he's in Libya right now waiting for an airlift. I hope not...THAT would be an epic T/R...
Don't worry tim360.
"Colonel Gaddafi" :rolleyes2: will "mule" over BillyB's teen heartthrob (A) and Mom to the GoodOl' USA.
I suspect Muammar will be able to set up his tent and park his camels at the United Nations building in NYC until other "accommodations" are made. :evil:
GOB
Joking aside, these are actually a historically monumental events happening in the ME right now.
Right as usual GQ. The beauty of it all is that NOBODY saw it coming and certainly not the CIA or our Intelligence Agencies. Oxymoron, I know. :rolleyes2:
Daveman, is not present,
but I'd hope some of you could manage to remember it isn't a politcal forum,
and
additionally to put yourself in the shoes of a member here, who has someone they care about in a possible quite volatile situation.
I've not been a big advocate of billys latest adventures, but that wouldn't mean i can't understand
and have empathy for the anguish or worry he would have at this time.
Sorry, he finds the notion of posting on internet boards bizarre.
I doubt he even knew I was posting it here.
Furthermore, you are the one who keeps bringing him, and my daughter, up. I never mention any of this to my daughter, as I do not think she should be exposed to this dirt.
Actually, that's not what I had in mind. I meant, has there been any development in relationship with A for the past time except for talking on the phone with her?
My wife tells me she was taught that it's impolite to be the first to hang up the phone if you weren't the one initiating the call; maybe this is just something taught to children in her locality but it just goes to show that local customs can lead to misunderstandings and you should be very careful about assuming anything.
By your own admissions and descriptions in this thread you are a One Week Wonder
Don't worry about Erudite; he is no less gifted than his moniker suggests. I'm sure that he knows what he is doing and that he produces some brilliant children.
Billy i do have to say I don't think i've ever met anyone that would agree to marry me in one week..
If i would ask, they'd just think i was crazy! lol
So you must be one charming dude.
I don't buy the shortcuts because of her location.There are ways they could meet ,t and he could see her
somewhere while the k1 process is ongoing.
While two trips sure isn't many, it's twice as much time together as one trip..maybe even without mom. duh.
I was in a playful mood and was merely teasing Billy.
Thanks BillyB for so completley proving my point: men go to the FSU for three primary reasons.
1. Younger
2. Prettier.
3. Easier.
I just don't believe it'll turn out the way you want.
Hey Billy, Has A, your girlfriend and Mom joined the exodus out of Libya? What does she see there? Place is looking shakey with Mumar in the martyr mode.
SJ, if your wife believes it's impolite to be the first to hang up the phone if she weren't the one initiating the call it's because that is what she learned and adopted. If your wife practices this behavior with you and others then that should be credited to her individual good manners. It shouldn't be credited to her culture. This is not normal in the FSU culture. Although A lives in Libya, she is a proud Ukrainian. I've spoken with hundreds of FSU women and if they feel you're not their type of man as you're talking, they can hang up abruptly without saying goodbye.
Aren't you worried that GoodOleBoy will insult you too and say you look like the father of your wife or girlfriend?
Is is any surprise to most intelligent Americans that it was a "surprise" on the watch of Ms. Bill Clinton, the world's smartest woman? I mean what do you get when you combine ego/lack of morals and ineptitude, what do you get?
Hillary Clinton and Barak Obama (or maybe Jimmy Carter).
Eurdite--Try your logic on a political forum--this is the wrong place. :rolleyes2:
We went though this earlier. Start another thread if you want to talk about it in detail. It's simple. A guy having great communications with a lady who knows perfect English for a year and they agree to marry on a first visit is better off than a man having poor communications with a woman who knows little English and they agree to marry after a second visit.
BluesFairy had 3 years communication with her husband before they first met. I don't know if they had feelings or agreed to marry before or during a first visit. Are they Nucking Futs too?
If you had poor communications with your wife and needed 10 visits to figure her out, that is you and your situation. It doesn't apply to me in my situation. I've dated and turned away numerous women earlier in this thread because I quickly figured out that we weren't a match and you guys questioned if I could even commit. When I find what I'm looking for, I can commit.
I remember you said 3 weeks ago in your post that there are a lot of intelligent people giving me advice but you edited it. Why? Faux, you have been blind this whole thread. Earlier you didn't believe a woman would want her man to be a teacher although Lily said on page one that she would welcome a man to be her teacher.
What you don't realize is that you're not in the majority. You have some Western men and a Western woman on your side. Not much variety there. The majority in this thread is silent and the silent majority isn't as alarmed or inspired to post anything. Don't you think there are intelligent people in that group? There are intelligent RW that posted too but you and others fail to notice what they write. They asked if I addressed the age gap with A, if my sexual performance is up to par with a young lady, and if I can fulfill her needs.
NEEDS! My critics have failed to address any important issues. They yap all throughout the thread about the same things over and over such as age gap yet fail to realize fulfilling ones needs is top priority. If you want to be labeled a good MAN, you need to fulfill your woman's needs.
Western women can make mistakes and marry a loser and mommy, daddy and welfare will rescue them if they make a mistake when choosing a man. RW and women from less fortunate countries actually have to be smart and choose the best man to fulfill needs such as take care of them and children and make good decisions in life that would benefit the family. It is often mistaken that those are desperate for going outside of the barriers of Western world's norm but it isn't that they're desperate, they are intelligent for choosing men wisely. They don't have a mommy such as Boethius who will take care of them forever if they fall with the wrong man. Boethius said earlier she raises her daughter so she won't have to marry an old guy. Most intelligent women raise their daughter to marry the best guy. Marry an similar age guy or marry the best guy? Which is smarter? If lots of women think I'm the best guy and marriage material, then I'm doing something right. Don't point fingers at me. Look at yourself and how you appeal to women.
You heard from a RW earlier in this thread that it's hard to find good men. There's plenty of men out there but it's hard to find GOOD men. For those of you reading this, if you can communicate well and are a good man, you will not have a problem finding dates and women to marry. BC was partially right when he said it's easy to get married. That statement applies to the few good men out there. Simply being a nice guy doesn't mean you're a good man.
What you don't realize is that you're not in the majority. You have some Western men and a Western woman on your side. Not much variety there. The majority in this thread is silent and the silent majority isn't as alarmed or inspired to post anything. Don't you think there are intelligent people in that group? There are intelligent RW that posted too but you and others fail to notice what they write. They asked if I addressed the age gap with A, if my sexual performance is up to par with a young lady, and if I can fulfill her needs.
Thats 3 years communicating Billy. Are you so wrapped up in your pooncoma and bravado that you can't recognize the difference?
Pooncoma? Is that male poontang. :D
So far, foreigners have not been the target of any violence.
Nevertheless, I hope she is successful in getting out of Libya now.
you (and A) will hear a lot worse things out of peoples mouths here in the GoodOl' USA, when they find out you are chasing 17/18 year old girls from Russia on the internet. :
The man and women with two visits and language problems do have a better chance than you with this girl IMO.
Billy I have never on the forum, any forum or in my real life looked or sought the approval of the majority.
Brag on your libido all you want,
"A plane carrying 125 Ukrainians and 38 foreigners from Libya landed at Kiev's Boryspil airport early Thursday."
Did A and her mother make it out on this flight?
Pooncoma was last seen in Vegas...
Good ol' BillyB is getting pretty roughed up here...I believe Billy mentioned he was in the service before so I'm pretty darn sure he understands well enough that the age of '18' is hardly considered a 'child'.
After all, do we not belong to this wonderful culture where 18 year olds are trained and dispatched for war specifically to kill people? Deductively, folks are saying 18 year olds are too young for marriage, but old enough for slaughter.
Besides, in a little less than 10 days of existence, Jack's photo thread of young flesh for this site's membership is nearly averaging 200 hits/day. I woul bet the download number is fairly high, too. It's so wet with jitters reading the thread that it leaves me to wonder the point of all the bickering here at all. I would wager that the average age in those photos are at least 20-30 years, maybe even 40 years younger than the average age of its happy admirers.
Mewonders why Jack never present photos of 50-60 year old women...those would be more age appropriate for this forum, is it not? Age appropriation is not only an oxymoron, but hypocritical.
If BillyB goes ahead to close the deal with this gal - get over it. It isn't your life to live, it's his...
I'm not quite sure if the problem folks have with his situation have to do with him doing something that's likely more in the norm (large age difference) in this silly MOB, or the fact there can only be one BillyB.
Being married to a very young Siberian, I can tell Billy it isn't a picnic. Do I regret marrying the woman I did, hell no. There are times I wished she was much older though...
Not sure it was that flight Steve but A did say she arrived Midnight which is basically early morning and it was a big military plane so there will be limited seats so 163 passengers sounds like it could be it's capacity.
You're another guy that speaks about how you'd feel if you were in my situation.
They're not allow to legally drink alcohol too. Would you want to venture a guess why?
Trying to appeal to another sense of man's animal instinct are we? It wouldn't matter to me if Jack was posted women 80 years old. If they were attractive, I'd look at them. I look and admire local women no matter the age who are sexy and attractive. I do it in the FSU as well. Does that mean I would ask them out on a date, for marriage or make love to them? Not on your life. I'm older, not blind.
Ah geeze. Please don't make it the age old, Age Gap Debate. It's not and you know it. You find few who disagree with any age gap between two consenting adults. 17 or 18 year old girls do not qualify. I don't have a dog in this hunt. It's Billy's hunt. I wish BillyB all the success in this world no matter what he chooses to do.
I do find his constant justifications and self affirmations a bit nauseating but other than that it's his life.
I also find it ironic that of all Billy's good advice he has doled out over the years, he fails to follow it. It really does not matter to me if he finds success with "A" and her mammy. I hope that he does but you have to admit GQ, the odds are greatly against him.
Billy is stroking himself over what a GOOD man he is and it will overcome everything. Well, the roadside is littered with many GOOD men. "Me Billy Strongcack, me special, no rules, all bets are off". Are you buying it?
see you say you are married to a young Siberian, was she 18 and did you propose on the first trip?
His GF is 18 and last I checked 18 is legal age even in the US. Your repeated citing of '17' does give light to your argument. I'd be huffing and puffing too if this gal is '17', but you know what, she ain't.
But GQ, through BillyB's own admission in this thread she was 17 when he first contacted this child.
GOB
BillyB,
Your latest dribble is about as mindless as it gets. I'm almost expecting your next post you'll declare you're awaiting the next Hale Bopp comet for a ride into the galaxy. Rather than fuel anymore of it I just won't answer and you can claim victory in the oneupmans game, okay? :D
BillyB, I would NEVER and I mean NEVER find myself in your "situation" . :rolleyes2:
I don't chase 17/18 year old girls on the internet or in person.
There is a name for people like you who have sick fantasies about living their lives with young girls/boys (children), BUT Dan would not be very happy with me if I were to use that word on his forum.
So out of respect for Dan, I will not do so. 8)
GOB
PS...I am also glad that the child in question (A) and Mom are OK.
...and you should hope and pray that you never have to go through a crisis, where your loved ones are in harms way; the internet and phone service are shut off, AND you have to deal with untimely and inappropriate criticism at the same time.
I wouldn't shed to many tears for BillyB (rah-rah) Rubicon.
He has managed to overcome his fears and grief and posted some "tantalizing" kiddie pictures for those who are interested. :rolleyes2:
GOB
Because the powers-that-be who makes all the rules understands when old folks get drunk they start acting like teenagers. After all, why remind these 18 year olds what they've so eagerly and recently 'left behind' so soon.
Hey, look at it this way, they sure are 'old enough' to elect morons to DC offices to rule over you and me and everyone, no? So in the same sense, they're just as mature as any of us, no?
C'mon FP.That's a farce and you know it. That argument is about as relevant as finding an attractive 80 year old you can drool over.
His GF is 18 and last I checked 18 is legal age even in the US. Your repeated citing of '17' does give light to your argument. I'd be huffing and puffing too if this gal is '17', but you know what, she ain't. 10 is 10 and 20 is 20 as 30 is 30...no matter how this site butter and sugar coat that reality, those numbers is as true today as they will be for years to follow.
This, I will agree. "Gag-me-with-a-spoon, finger-in-the-throat" kinda thing...but that's the 'new and improved' BillyB. Maybe the earthmoving business is slower up north compared to down here in my paradise.
I was on the edge waiting to see if he'll ever pacify the audience and blurt out what he named the famed femme-tamer. "Hubert, the Great!" Maybe "Pancho, the Love-Enchilada!" or a more humbled "FAH Q". How'bout "The FONZ" ?
Right now I'm leaning to be more indifferent than not simply because I really don't know him personally, or what he's capable of - realistically. On the onset of this thread, some of the things BillyB were spewing were over-the-top for me simply because I know the game, played it hundreds/thousands of time. He was posting 'real-time' stories on the very same days he would post these long drivels. Even now, I am not convinced many of his storylines are true to life documentaries. But hey guess what, whether it's reality or fantasy, when all is said and done either or both are all his to own up to.
I'm still for the Mexican though as I still prefer menudo over borscht. BTW, is she still in the running to get love from BillyB and The FONZ?Fat Elvis? :D
For the 2 cents it cost me to buy a seat in this venue, sure! Why not? Because when you really think about it, FP - that's the cost for cheap entertainment. It bears very little in our respective lives. Take a last sip from the pop, toss out the popcorn cup and depart into the night.
Well, she was 18 once in her life that's for sure...and 'no' I didn't propose on the first trip. My heart was locked up, chained-up in my bedroom, under the bed when I left for Russia. I did bring condoms though, does that count?
But I've said this to you before already, FP. Yeah, I'm surprised at some of the things BillyB is posting lately for no other reason than they seem to be opposite of what I thought I knew of him. But guess what? It didn't take long to realize I don't really KNOW him, you know. I think neither do you unless I'm mistaken (?).
If my baby daughter (and her mother) had been caught in Libya, I'd have been frantic too so I can empathise to some extent with Billy's plight recently.
those of you who have been ridiculing Bill during a very dangerous crisis, when he did not know if his fiance and her mother were safe, injured or worse; have taken internet bullying to a new low. I have seen it on other forums, but never to this low level. whether you agree with it or not, Billy and his fiance are both of LEGAL and CONSENTING age, so get over it. and you should hope and pray that you never have to go through a crisis, where your loved ones are in harms way; the internet and phone service are shut off, AND you have to deal with untimely and inappropriate criticism at the same time.
Real men don't bash each other in situations like this.
the age of consent in some states is only 16; so what do you do about that??...
Yeah, I guess LT (Lawrence Taylor/now registered SEX-OFFENDER) learned his lesson about the numbers! :rolleyes2:
http://sports.espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/news/story?id=6018722
GOB
This whole "situation" on RWD is propogated by a degenerate.
GOB
No offense I/O but BillyB wouldn't even be "frantic" :rolleyes2:, if he wasn't chasing underage teenage girls on the internet.
GOB
.... (when we met 43/27)
.. and I'll leave it at that, but do suggest you back off a good bit to a respectable, and tolerable distance.
BillyB, I would NEVER and I mean NEVER find myself in your "situation" .
On the onset of this thread, some of the things BillyB were spewing were over-the-top for me simply because I know the game, played it hundreds/thousands of time.
Yeah, I'm surprised at some of the things BillyB is posting lately for no other reason than they seem to be opposite of what I thought I knew of him.
those of you who have been ridiculing Bill during a very dangerous crisis, when he did not know if his fiance and her mother were safe, injured or worse; have taken internet bullying to a new low. I have seen it on other forums, but never to this low level. whether you agree with it or not, Billy and his fiance are both of LEGAL and CONSENTING age, so get over it. and you should hope and pray that you never have to go through a crisis, where your loved ones are in harms way; the internet and phone service are shut off, AND you have to deal with untimely and inappropriate criticism at the same time.
I know some 18 year olds that conduct themselves much more mature than some 30-40 years old that I know of,
I'm not bothered by his choices, I am not bothered by Billy at all.
One thing I feel you shouldnt gloat about is *getting your way*.
Being confident is a good thing billy, I certainly understand that, likely as well or better than yourself.
However being over condfident to the point of cocky is quite another.
Billy thinking that anyone that doesnt agree,or gives him some flack for his choices,
is somehow unsure of themselves , not happy in life, or overly concerned with his biznus...
is just a tad funny in the context of him posting it as some kind of educational material or guidence
on a INtroNut forum.
As far as BillyB goes, I think he's waaay too wound up in this girl and her mother, but that's his choice (or hormonal drive) and the rose colored glasses ain't helping at all. I am in a 17/18 year age difference marriage and would not suggest anyone try the same. Has nothing to do with whether or not our almost 10 year relationship will survive or not. Has more to do with whether or not, with the experience I have personally acquired in such a relationship, if would I marry again with a large age difference?... (when we met 43/27)
I do think BillyB has a steep, uphill relationship battle that neither he nor she can see at this time. I am rather confident though that they will learn this rather quickly. Of all the roads in this venture he's picking the roughest one with the most potholes ahead. I think that's the 'jist' of what most express here.
At 43 and single would I have thought about an 18 yr old for anything more than a quickie? I highly doubt it, but do admit that hormones are tough to control in such circumstances.
My wife attributed this at least to the people she knows where she grew up, and it's why I qualified what I said with that it may be common in her area.
Funny that you should say that since you been screaming more than any young person or lady I've ever encountered.
Faux, you've spent countless hours and even days of your life reading and posting in this thread. I'd hate to something that actually bothered you. I don't know if RWD has enough bandwith for what you'd have to say. Don't be in massive denial. My choices has bothered you. Everyone but you can see it. As blind as you are now about yourself, you shouldn't be qualified to give advice to anyone.
I know some of you think I'm naive and have rose colored glasses on because you have experience. BC, you have ONE experience. That is YOUR experience. You are one of the married members here that rarely praises your wife.
BC, you got more guts than most saying that after reading how some people react to middle age men partnering up with young ladies. The truth there are many single lonely men who'll consider an 18 for a minimum of a quickie.
...btw.. If my fiancee had gone through the same as yours, my butt would be sitting in an airline seat, no matter what she said, instead of at a WU counter forking over some cash. You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi. Flight time would have been less than posting time on RWD.
btw.. If my fiancee had gone through the same as yours, my butt would be sitting in an airline seat, no matter what she said, instead of at a WU counter forking over some cash. You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi. Flight time would have been less than posting time on RWD.
You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi.I agree, if one could afford the ticket. :rolleyes2:
How tall is A? Looks like she has an excellent body, maybe she could work as a model in the US.P/B: If your comment is serious, no. Although the young lady in the photos Billy posted is an attractive young lady, she is not "model" equipped.
I agree, if one could afford the ticket. :rolleyes2:
P/B: If your comment is serious, no. Although the young lady in the photos Billy posted is an attractive young lady, she is not "model" equipped.
The ladies have disappeared from this thread. Probably a good thing with all the testosterone laced smoke in the air. It's wise that they stand back during this brawl since a few guys have already got their e-feelings hurt. I'll try to post something fun in my next post to bring the ladies back.
I know some of you think I'm naive and have rose colored glasses on because you have experience. BC, you have ONE experience. That is YOUR experience.
Yeppers ;) . As a matter of fact, the first thought that came to mind with me was thinking he was IN Libya making sure things were going smoothly.
Do you understand the situation there? Enter Libya as a US citizen? I suppose he could have flown to Niger or Chad, forged a passport, obtained a yellow hat and entered Libya as a mercernary to help Ghaddafi.Billy proclaims to be a GOOD man. Not a GREAT man :D
Do you understand the situation there? Enter Libya as a US citizen? I suppose he could have flown to Niger or Chad, forged a passport, obtained a yellow hat and entered Libya as a mercernary to help Ghaddafi.
At the very least, it would not have taken much time to zip to Ukraine and meet them there. He'll be front and center in her life (and mumski) from here on in and these moments in our lives are when these really all come to light. Walk the talk. After all, that's what he's been alluding to this entire saga, no? I don't think the rock of Gibraltar and western union are affiliated. There are times money should not be the first choice to ease a troubled soul and mind. Some folks do associate money for that, but...que sera, sera.
But that really wasn't the point (actually being there, but rather the effort). I know I would've done it. I would gone to Ciudad Juarez if my wife or fiancee was stuck there and trouble was brewing in a heartbeat. But that's just me. I am not second-guessing BillyB nor you or anyone, I'm saying this would've been a slam dunk for me. Like he said, we all have our own different methodology in life, which I wholeheartedly agree with. Don't you?
I can agree with what you said about going there GQ but I have a feeling the State Dept would not have allowed him to persue that option. As hard as they were working to get American's out of there, I don't think they would have been too eager to allow an American in.
I/O, yes. If she is 175-180 cm or higher, she is perfectly "model" equipped.Nope. ;D
Nope. ;D
Oh, I see... They prefer short-legged babushkas for models down under, right? ;D ;D ;DYa never know...... ;D
Turbo--
I agree with that, but there seems no good reason he could not have already met them in Ukraine--if not when they arrived then shortly thereafter. When a fiancée's life has cratered around her, surely a man who claims to love her so would want to provide all the help and comfort he could. I suppose there are varying levels of "love" in these situations.
If this is not a "family emergency" that would justify extraordinary measures, I'd be hard pressed to think of another that might qualify. Sorry, but this smacks a bit of the "I'll love you 'till death do us part--so long as it's convenient."
Of course, I may be mistaken and a bit harsh since he may not have posted all the details as yet.
David
Billy,
How tall is A? Looks like she has an excellent body, maybe she could work as a model in the US. Good age for this too.
Just because I don't participate in the 'show and tell' or what I describe as 'relationship exhibitionism' you shouldn't read too awful much into it. Marriages will have highs and lows, that's quite normal.
btw.. If my fiancee had gone through the same as yours, my butt would be sitting in an airline seat, no matter what she said, instead of at a WU counter forking over some cash. You really should have greeted her and FMIL in Kiev with a warm coat and taxi. Flight time would have been less than posting time on RWD.
And of course, I admire A's photos 8) thanks for posting them Billy.
I would be curious to know how the things will be progressing when A will be in the US in her status as Billy's wife.
I seriously doubt posters e-feelings are hurt?
Some will bother to post their thoughts ,others wont even bother.
That's far closer to reality than your current delusions on the motivations of others
On the practical side, why not just do a K1 with mom and do a K2 for the daughter. Would resolve all their woes.
On the practical side, why not just do a K1 with mom and do a K2 for the daughter. Would resolve all their woes.
:ROFL:
You sick Bastid
She signed up with and English language school here in California, paid the fees and they had her a student visa in two days.
Hey Faux... I was being serious.. would take some cojones but doubt anyone at the consulate would bat an eye at the interview.. pics together, proof of traveling/meeting together - it all fits like a glove.. Being able to save two damsels in distress at the same time?? It's perfect, a no-brainer.
You were serious..... really?
:ROFL:
I don't think Billy has any doubt as to the magnanimous size of his cojones. Just ask him.
A and mom are looking for jobs but the economy is bad and job opportunities are slim. All of mom's documents listing her experience and qualifications was left behind in the hospital in Libya. Most medical facilities won't hire her without seeing the documents. The medical facility she worked in before knows her capabilities but they want mom to pay the director there for her job. One reason mom left Ukraine is because she didn't like the mentality of other medical professionals bribing patients for services. Mom isn't going to pay the director for the privilege to work.
....When you guys get a pretty woman for a girlfriend, do you do strange things to prove your love that you wouldn't normally do for a not so pretty girlfriend? Power of the Bush? Can you think intelligently with the big head and be considerate of a woman's needs instead of your own? Many of you guys would make decisions based off your emotions. Men aren't supposed to do that. That's what women do. Emotions can make a person run into a hail of bullets to save a loved one but you got to make sure the loved one is there to be saved and you got to make sure you don't have better options.
I do not need to show up in Ukraine ASAP to prove my love. A already knows I love her. I made the wise decision to give her an ear to listen to her and money to help her get on her feet without showering her with emotion and burden.
I gave her everything she needs now.
She's not in a hospital or on a bed traumatized crying all day everyday to the point I have to physically help her back on her feet by being present. She's over the incident in Libya. The past is the past and the only concern she has now is the future.
Hey Faux... I was being serious.. would take some cojones but doubt anyone at the consulate would bat an eye at the interview.. pics together, proof of traveling/meeting together - it all fits like a glove.. Being able to save two damsels in distress at the same time?? It's perfect, a no-brainer.
Faux,
In the face of Da MAN I succumb.. I've converted to the rah rah club and from this day will do all possible to support him with reasonable and well thought out ways to help him achieve his goals.
But... Something keeps nagging me.. He does not seem to be here for help or support at all, regardless where it comes from or it's form. It seems we should humble ourselves and awe his counsel instead..
Just think about it... I've just learned from His Testicular Self that I've wasted almost 9 years of my life being married to my wife.. Hmm.. Our daughter is almost 18 now.. Should I divorce?
I'm so depressed and confused now.. Please, someone, anyone tell me it's not true..
I too had a good chuckle. However, if mama and daughter are inseparable, your idea is a good one. If BillyB gets a K-1 for the daughter, it will take years and years to get a family visa for mama. A student visa for mama? She does not seem to be student material.
I seriously doubt posters e-feelings are hurt?
Some will bother to post their thoughts ,others wont even bother.
That's far closer to reality than your current delusions on the motivations of others
AJ, recognize things for what they are and women will find your mind sexy. Stupid will get you in trouble.
Do you really believe I'm only targeting very young women? Do you really believe some people are pissed at me for marrying an 18 yo even after BC got a free pass for what he would consider with an 18 yo? My critics aren't angry at me for those reasons.
Only Boethius is truly upset I'm marrying an 18 yo woman because she thinks it's immoral and thus all parties involved including A and mom are immoral. I got more respect for Boethius for saying that than the other jokers that haven't got the guts to blame a woman for anything. If a guy has to scream 50 times that he doesn't approve what I'm doing, what I'm doing isn't what is bother him, it's me that's bothering him.
Wake up AJ. I think it's about time to make another call for the men around here to MAN UP.
:ROFL:
You sick Bastid
Hey, you knew that couldn't be true, even as you were typing it! :-)
First and foremost . . . no school can give a student a visa ; whether in 2 days or in 2 years.
All any school can do is give the student a Form I-20 which the student then takes to US embassy in home country to START the process for a student visa. Even the interveiw times are scheduled 2-4 weeks or farther into the future.
And it isn't even easy or quick to get I-20. Can take several months to get all the school applications submitted, recommendations, transcripts from prior high schools, universities certified, translated into English notarized, get the financial proof in proper order, certified, notarized, etc.
Ever been to the FSU? All I can do is tell the story as it was related to me. If enough money goes under the table, mountains can be moved. And this woman had the money to do it. I have no legitimate reason to doubt her.
I was talking to K today about such things and she related that while living with an American expat who had a good friend at the US embassy here in Sbp. she got a visa without even showing up to the interview....
Ever been to the FSU? All I can do is tell the story as it was related to me. If enough money goes under the table, mountains can be moved. And this woman had the money to do it. I have no legitimate reason to doubt her.
I was talking to K today about such things and she related that while living with an American expat who had a good friend at the US embassy here in Sbp. she got a visa without even showing up to the interview....
Hi Bill, I hope everything works out for you and your lady. I'm glad she is back home safe with her mother. I see you have extensive experience with FSU women. Where did you meet them, online or in your hometown?
Billy, I don't keep up with every post. I have one observation and perhaps it has been discussed before. It seems that your attraction towards the daughter is mostly physical stimulation, and the mother completes the relationship by providing the mental stimulation missing with the daughter.
Could you have a fulfilling, enduring relationship with just the daughter?
My lady's 22-yo daughter is staying with me. She is a beauty and remarkably voluptuous (and literally is harassed every day at her university). She knows more English than her mother, yet my discussions with mama are 10x more interesting. Yes, some of this is personality. Yet, most of it is because the daughter is still a kid. And she is 22, not 18.
He does not seem to be here for help or support at all, regardless where it comes from or it's form.
Billy, if the Mother is a medical professional, why wouldn't she consider skilled immigration to Canada? Some medical professions are in the list. She may be able to include A as her accompanying unmarried daughter. Did you ever suggested this to her?
Strange things?!?
If you don't mind me asking, did A asked you for money during your conversation, or did you just assumed they'll need it and thus gave it?
if mama and daughter are inseparable,
no i don't think anyone is actually pissed off at all..nor do i think their e-feelings are truly hurt.
That's the second or third time you've told me to *wake up*
It seems a curious expression to use billy, and it's condescending.
The men around here often call it like they see it,
most are married, and as defined in this forum have more stable and successful real world relationship than you or I currently have.
The pot shots taken at you, frankly in western society are to be expected.
"Ever been to the FSU?" Only about 30 times; still getting my feet wet.
Let's keep story straight here JR.
You said: "She signed up with and English language school here in California, paid the fees and they had her a student visa in two days."
So what has this to do with the FSU? You said the California school got her the visa. Can't happen as I explained.
She walked in, paid a lot of money and was on a plane to Los Angeles two days later visa in hand. Sorry, my bad.
Yes, strange things. Didn't you notice a bunch of guys who if they were in my situation would be in Libya or Ukraine to be with their loved one? They patted each other on the back but anyone with a brain knows what they want to do isn't practical or possible. Thinking about a visa to Libya isn't going to make one fall on your lap. Even if you get a visa, how will you get there when commercial flights are canceled? How do you guys plan to welcome your lady in the FSU? You don't know if she'll even catch the flight out on time. You don't know what country or city she'll land in and you don't know what airport, military or civilian she'll arrive at. While putting my actions down, you all made yourself out to be true romantics and heroes when none of what you're proposing is possible under the circumstances.
If I'm not doing enough for A and I should get over there right now and burden the ladies with my presence, interfering with their job search and studies, then let the RW tell me. You guys do not make sense. A and mom can and will do a better job stabilizing their lives without me. The only thing I can do is make their lives more comfortable by giving them money to buy the necessities.
Why would you worry if A asked me for money under the circumstances? Would she be a scammer then? Under the circumstances, if a guy is clueless, it would be appropriate for his woman to tell him to get his head out of his butt and send money.
A doesn't ask for money or for gifts. To this day she still has never asked me for money or gifts. Before all embassies ordered an evacuation, I suspected phone and internet to be shut down and I'd be out of communication with A so I talked to her about an evacuation plan and sent money to Ukraine and told her it would be waiting for her if she gets out of there since she may never hear from me again until she gets out of the country.
Not only does A not ask for money or gifts, she doesn't talk about problems anymore. Mom taught her telling me her problems is the same as begging for money. Now it's up to me to figure out which needs of hers need my assistance.
AJ, did you see the way some people acted in this thread when A was in a war zone? Their feelings were hurt. I got BC comparing me to Photoguy and GQ comparing me to Smoothoperator.
AJ, did you see the way some people acted in this thread when A was in a war zone? Their feelings were hurt. I got BC comparing me to Photoguy and GQ comparing me to Smoothoperator. Doesn't make sense at all. Their feelings are hurt. Faux said he won't add any more fuel to the fire a week ago yet all his recent posts are still adding fuel. His feelings are hurt. Faux said he's upset I'd have anything to do with an 18 yo yet he aligns himself up with BC who said himself he could have something to do with an 18 yo. Go figure? Is my relationship with an 18 yo the at the core of his anger? His feelings are hurt.
Let's talk about married men. I ask them to lay out their path to success to help people and BC comes forth and announces he's married for 9 years and Faux announces he's married for a year and a half. What the hell is that? How hard is it for those guys to simply say they're “happily” married? They never say that even on a good day.
If BC and Faux want to shove their advice down my throat, there are 2 things they can do. One is to lay out their program for success. They can do it in my thread if they want. People may see that their program is superior to mine when it comes to finding “quality” women.
Given the information on this thread, I would not give A much of a chance at getting a K-1. The student visa might be something to look into, but she would have to have good enought grades and get accepted into a college.
Billy mentioned that he has his own company. Perhaps he could hire A to work in his company. I don't know what qualifications she has, but he mentioned something about being a model. That could work if he needs some advertising.
Well now, after reading through this entire thread I just want to say to BillyB:
I admire your courage in coming on this site to post in the hopes of helping others. If even one new guy learns anything from it, you have been successful. I know exactly what this thread was trying to convey even if some others don't get it because they got their emotions get too wound up in it. I think you have been a very patient and stand up guy with some of the bile and crap that has been thrown your way.
As someone who has been in a relationship with a 19 year before, I wish you and A the best and I truely hope you have a great and wonderful life together. I know you are a smart guy. You know what you are doing and the path you follow. From what you posted, I think A knows exactly what she is doing and what she wants for her life. There are many women her age or older who don't even have a clue what they want in life.
When my mom married my father, she 21 and he was 35 with 6 children already. 54 years later and 14 children total when my dad passed away, I look at their relationship and believe that age has no bearing whatsoever in a successful marriage so long as both individuals know what they want, can communicate it and continue to love each other.
I admire you and want to thank you for a very interesting, enjoyable and educational thread. I wish you and A all the best and a very happy future. I look forward to reading more about you and A regardless of whether it works out in the end or not.
Given the information on this thread, I would not give A much of a chance at getting a K-1.
I can count on one hand, with 3 fingers missing, how many FSUWs I met who *didn't* think they're models.
Well now, after reading through this entire thread I just want to say to BillyB:
I admire your courage in coming on this site to post in the hopes of helping others. If even one new guy learns anything from it, you have been successful. I know exactly what this thread was trying to convey even if some others don't get it because they got their emotions get too wound up in it. I think you have been a very patient and stand up guy with some of the bile and crap that has been thrown your way.
As someone who has been in a relationship with a 19 year before, I wish you and A the best and I truely hope you have a great and wonderful life together.
Still seems improbable. I found the process exactly as ManLooking described. Exactly.
So Billy, did you applied for a fiancee's visa for A already?
It's the internet..seems pretty normal fare to me.
I don't see anyone particularly wound up ..
I know if you go the cr1/cr2 route, the child would have to be less than 18 years old at the time of marriage to the child's parent.
Not sure about the K-1/K-2. The age out is 21 for bringing the child over to USA.
I didn't read in this thread what Billy plans to do or has done?
So, in the end everything worked out just fine. A and her mom are receiving financial support from Billy, and don't have to sacrifice anything, A is intact and won't need to get married (yet and in the nearest future), mom lives with her daughter, they have a stable financial support and don't have to do anything for that. Now a bad deal! :popcorn:
Well now, after reading through this entire thread I just want to say to BillyB:
I admire your courage in coming on this site to post in the hopes of helping others. If even one new guy learns anything from it, you have been successful. I know exactly what this thread was trying to convey even if some others don't get it because they got their emotions get too wound up in it. I think you have been a very patient and stand up guy with some of the bile and crap that has been thrown your way.
I admire you and want to thank you for a very interesting, enjoyable and educational thread. I wish you and A all the best and a very happy future. I look forward to reading more about you and A regardless of whether it works out in the end or not.
have you read of billy's other relationships and their strange endings?.
no one says large age gaps can't work, but I think most here are more concerned about the actions of a middle aged man contacting a girl who was 17 at the time and no matter how it turns out many would acknowledge the potential that this could have been predatory
I wOuldnt yet call it a success, a long way tO go before the relationship proves to be happy, fair, balanced and sustainable.
However I will say, with no disrespect to BillyB, I know of no 18, 19 year old Ukraine or Russian women who seriously consider a foreign man in his mid-40's unless he was a Bill Gates or Brad Pitt's type movie/rock star. And as I ALWAYS say, their will be exceptions to everything. Maybe this is one such exceptional relationship.
A has found a job teaching a 3rd grade boy one hour in the afternoon a few times a week. She gets 26 grivnas or about $3. Mom has a job offer but it only pays $150 a month.
Thanks for the sincere wishes and I'm happy you “get it” about the message I'm trying to convey. There's no reason for anyone to be insecure, threatened, or be upset with me. I seen your the photos of you and your lady somewhere? Visajourney maybe?
Post a link so that we all will know what you're talking about. I've dated a lot of ladies so it's normal to have lots of endings. I don't end the relationship with an argument calling women bad names so maybe that's strange to you? I also remain friends with some of them so another strange habit of mine?
Quote from: Kuna on 14 March 2011, 08:31:17
no one says large age gaps can't work, but I think most here are more concerned about the actions of a middle aged man contacting a girl who was 17 at the time and no matter how it turns out many would acknowledge the potential that this could have been predatory
You ask another poster to read yet you and my other critics failed miserably. Half the ladies I've dated last year were older than I. Mom read my letters to A twice so if there is some predatory instincts, it's in your imagination. You're just having a hard time understanding a young women can actually go for an older man if he's quality. Quality men don't have a hard time understanding that.
[/quote]QuoteQuote from: Kuna on 14 March 2011, 08:31:17
I wOuldnt yet call it a success, a long way tO go before the relationship proves to be happy, fair, balanced and sustainable.
I'm happy everyday. I was happy before I met A and I'm happy now. Being happy is success. If there is something in my marriage that makes me unhappy, I will take corrective actions.
Are you happy? Should I be like you and do you call your marriage successful? If someone read your first 500 posts, they would understand you that you're a single man and happy person based off the way you post. If someone read your last 500 posts, they would understand you're now married and you're always complaining about something or somebody like an old woman. Go and read your crap because 90% of what you've been posting lately is basically crapping on people. More people rather be me than you at this moment so you need to adjust your attitude. A few months ago you complained this forum changed. What is certain is that you changed and it ain't for the better.
It's just so telling when you say, "If there is something in my marriage that makes me unhappy, I will take corrective actions" because you haven't worked out that a marriage is between two people. It's not about YOU. If something is putting pressure on a marriage both people need to take corrective action. I know you don't get it... it's one of the things that makes your claimed superiority so laughable. it's actually very sad.
The problem, as I see it, is that a 17-year-old, even if she is naive and inexperienced in life will quickly mature and in a few years (or less) will refuse to be the eternal pupil bowing down to Billy's all-knowing authority and tutelage....
Misha,
Reasonable people tend to be all 'eternal pupils' irrespectively of their age :). They only may chose different teachers at various stages of their lives.
Misha,
Reasonable people tend to be all 'eternal pupils' irrespectively of their age :). They only may chose different teachers at various stages of their lives.
Reasonable people tend to be all 'eternal pupils' irrespectively of their age :)
Billy comes across as a very confident man.Different strokes I guess. Our hero presents a lot of different personas from time to time and some of them may even reflect reality but confident isn't one I've noticed.
I like the reactions to Billy's story. It seems to make some members curl up in a ball and cringe then lash out. Interesting.
Billy comes across as a very confident man. This makes some people uncomfortable. They label it as arrogance or know it all type behaviour. I would say if things go wrong Billy will not blame no one but himself. A common trait in confident people. They will face the consequences of their actions and not point fingers.
I would say if you met Billy in person he would not come across as a know it all or arrogant. I think the internet makes its seem that way.
So are you saying that in this case the "pupil" may be seeking substitute "teachers" at later stages :popcorn:
I like the reactions to Billy's story. It seems to make some members curl up in a ball and cringe then lash out. Interesting.
Billy comes across as a very confident man.
This makes some people uncomfortable. They label it as arrogance or know it all type behaviour. I would say if things go wrong Billy will not blame no one but himself. A common trait in confident people. They will face the consequences of their actions and not point fingers.
I would say if you met Billy in person he would not come across as a know it all or arrogant. I think the internet makes its seem that way.
I really think that he and Charlie Sheen would be good friends. :ROFL:
FYI, $150 per month for as base salary for a nurse in most clinics here in Ukraine would be about par for the course--better than some, in fact.
They typically receive some cash from patients as well, so the gross income is somewhat higher in most cases.
In some areas, a young doctor starts about that same level by the way.
I'm planning on posting my next report for my trip to see Olga this May! Keep an eye out for it.
If you want to speculate on my marriage being the reason why my first 500 posts differ from my last 500 posts you'll be disappointed to hear it's actually because experience develops understanding. The more I've seen of some people in here the more I regret being counted among their numbers. There are many fine members of RWD but the ones that change my perspective are the abusers, the fantasists, the liars and those who are pretending to be something they are not. I tend to ignore it when I see it but I remain concerned for those who come here with genuine intentions. I'd like to help them if I can, and do more so via PM now than in the open forum...
Marriage must be a partnership of equals IMHO. However, Billy does want to be the all-knowing "teacher" and from what I understand reading the occasional posts (who really has the time to read carefully ALL that Billy writes?) is that Billy is obsessed with the idea that he is to be the all-knowing husband who makes all the decisions and who must not be presumably questioned as his authority will be absolute.
I like the reactions to Billy's story. It seems to make some members curl up in a ball and cringe then lash out. Interesting.
I would say if things go wrong Billy will not blame no one but himself.
I would say if you met Billy in person he would not come across as a know it all or arrogant.
Our hero presents a lot of different personas from time to time and some of them may even reflect reality but confident isn't one I've noticed.
I really think that he and Charlie Sheen would be good friends. :ROFL:
Another reason I get results is because I don't talk about myself.
After talking to me a bit, he concluded I'm one of the best men he's met. As we were standing on the balcony talking one day he looks down at the sidewalk along Khreshatic and said “out of 1000 horny women that pass by, I'd say 400 would want a man like you” I wasn't surprised by what he said because I know my worth.
Misha, I hope someday you and other men get the reactions from ladies I've been getting. Only then you'll probably understand and not feel threatened about what I've been writing.
Are you on crack cocaine or in massive denial too? Charlie drinks and does drugs. He goes out with hookers. I'm clean and catch respectable women. The women I roll with are much higher class than what Charlie could buy.
Why did you come back into this thread? No words of wisdom but maybe you just wanted to jump on the latest bandwagon to bash BillyB. Better do it on the bandwagon because there's safety in numbers.
I have a confession to make since we're talking Charlie Sheen. Part of the title in this thread I took from one of his movies since it was on my mind when I started this. Hot Shots Part Deux
Another reason I get results is because I don't talk about myself.
Given what you've revealed about yourself in this thread, I'd say that it's probably the main reason why you've got any of the "results" that you have; women with any self esteem at all would run a mile after finding out what's churning around in that head of yours Billy. Is that why you're really still single Billy, because as soon as the ladies in question find out what's in that mind of yours they do run a mile?
Why do some men get their panties all bunched up when an Alpha male walks in the room?
I'm learning a lot from people's reactions here. I hope the newbies are too. A man freaking out over another man's words is not a desirable trait women like. I didn't start this fight but I'm going to continue this thread to the end even if I got to get my other boot stinky.
Let me ask you and any other guy that this applies too, especially those who are complaining in this thread over and over. Why do you guys complain so much? At work you complain to your coworkers about your job and boss. At home you complain to your woman about your coworkers, job and boss. You always have something or someone to complain about non stop. Get over it.
Out of thousands of posts, I/O doesn't recognized I have confidence out of any of my posts.Correct. Confidence, real confidence that is, stands out. Never seen it in any of your posts but as I said before, different strokes....................
Billy and participants, how about ending a discussion about Billy's personality from this or that point of view? At the end of day, it starts to became annoying. :(
I would like to read more about the process of a K visa for A, and any A's actions toward becoming Mrs. B.
Billy, how about sharing things about this?
Billy and participants, how about ending a discussion about Billy's personality from this or that point of view? At the end of day, it starts to became annoying. :(
I would like to read more about the process of a K visa for A, and any A's actions toward becoming Mrs. B.
Billy, how about sharing things about this?
Is that why you're really still single Billy,
how about ending a discussion about Billy's personality from this or that point of view? At the end of day, it starts to became annoying. :(
Thanks Lily but I'm okay with the annoying comments. I knew my last post will bring out some emotion and childish outbursts. That is my fault because it was my intention to bring out more of certain posters behavior to the point others recognize it's not desirable behavior to attract ladies.
I'm talking about the real ladies of course, not the pantie wearing men here.
I'm happier than almost all single men and most married men.
complete this questionnaire http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp and let us know what his type is...
Mies, first you was worried about A wanting to get a green card and now you think she's going to sit in Ukraine and collect my money. I know you care about me but you had your chance! I probably wrote to you years ago and you threw my email away in the garbage along with the other fat ugly men. Now you're jealous! Because now I'm showing myself as a caring, loving MAN of action, not words. I could've been your special guy and a wonderful aggressive lover you've been always wanting but you walked out of my life!
I know throughout this thread you have a hard time believing A is sincere. Nothing I said about her points to her being an insincere person but I understand why you think the way you do.
How good do you look? Could you send me your bikini photos so I can give you my expert opinion free of charge? If you were 18 yo and had a hot body, you could choose most any man you want. You may choose the handsomest guy, the guy with the most muscles, the best dancer at the disco and certainly a young man close to your age. With that in mind, you find it hard to believe a beautiful young lady could sincerely give herself to a guy like me.
But there are other qualities women search for such as emotional and financial stability, an intelligent and wise man, a man that can love a woman more than his car, body and pretty face. These women want a stable man who won't bring in stupidity and drama into their lives. They want a man that will most likely stay with them and the children compared to a younger man who may stray or leave to avoid financial responsibility.
If in the same situation as A, you may believe you are smart for your choices in younger men but A will believe she is smart in her choice in me.
I knew when I made the alpha male comment, some would be upset.
Interesting. I did it and it pretty much defined me to a T: http://typelogic.com/intj.html
Has anyone put forth the possibility that BillyB writes to egg on people?
Interesting. I did it and it pretty much defined me to a T: http://typelogic.com/intj.html
Other than Lily and a couple of others, the posters in this thread have exercised a lot of J regarding BillyB. I have read very little of the thread, yet it appears to reveal much about BillyB. Nevertheless, without walking in his shoes, we have little basis to suggest that BillyB has an inferiority complex. Yet, does it matter? Has anyone put forth the possibility that BillyB writes to egg on people?
I didn't know women love to hear comments like this:
Billy, I would assume you have a great sense of humor, but since you are writing all this c-rap seriously.......blah blah blah
My observation: the more men talk about being confident alpha males, the more wracked they are by their inner demons and trying to mask an inferiority complex.
Has anyone put forth the possibility that BillyB writes to egg on people?
IOW there are unresolved contradictions, one being if a true Alpha Male would even consider justifying his actions, much less take on a highly defensive stance.
I just have to ask-Billy, Are you bi-winning? ;D
I will say this again since some of you don't get it. I don't come to the internet to make friends.
Based off the number of men that's hating me now, there's no way I could be "bi" even if I tried. Any of you guys wanna go out on a date wtih me?
Uh-huh. I have found that the people who are truly successful and charismatic have no need to brag about their accomplishments as others around them will be doing it continuously.
I do have a great sense of humorI don't rule out such possibility, but I have not seen any proofs of it yet, unless this thread is a huge prank.
but you're not assuming because you don't believe it so you have taken what I wrote you as an insult and gone on defense about your marriage.there is a difference between humor and arrogance. Even if it was a humor, you've crossed that line. It is really bad manners to offer to a married woman your "aggressive style in having sex", don't you think so? Would you be pleased if some stranger from online forum offered such thing to A after she became your wife? How would you feel about that? Can you still claim you are smart, well-mannered, and know how to treat a woman? I don't think so.
I've never said anything bad about A so I don't know how people could assume she's an insincere woman yet all through this thread and in PM's you are trying to warn me without giving me any valid reasons or proof.
First she was going to use me for a green card and now you think she's going to stay in Ukraine and collect my money. I know you're upset because I haven't listened to you but I'm writing this thread to show guys how to find a high quality and sincere woman. Let me finish talking about her before you judge her.you still have not answered my question. Does it make you feel uncomfortable? Or you do not know what to answer?
At least you mentioned earlier that A has a good deal in the fact I send her money. $2000 in the past month. I was afraid some woman would accuse me of being insensitive and greedy.well done. Given the instability of financial markets, earthquakes, and wars, this is quite good investment.
I just have to ask-Billy, Are you bi-winning? ;D
.. I emailed them to Daveman and give him permission to post it just as soon as you post yours..
Don't insult me too much Misha, I am exactly like you and I'm INTJ. According to the link you posted, INTJ are ideal people. I love those kind of tests where everybody is a winner! Who in their right mind answers they're stupid and indecisive? I work with a lot of people and almost all of them will tell you their manager material. Self analysis is a bad way to judge yourself. Look around and if the results you get with friends, women, family, and on the job are good, then it's safe to say you're walking in the right direction. I will say this again since some of you don't get it. I don't come to the internet to make friends.
Yep, he really did! ;D
I typed out as INFP .. didn't capture the result page but pretty sure is was 44% introvert, 75% intuitive, 25% feeling, 11% perceiving (luckily it exempted categories such as a$$holiness), and it would appear that I have no need of thinking whatsoever.. but I feel you all know that already.
at any rate, I'm officially a "Healer"... so, reach your hand toward your monitor screen (as the other clicks on paypal to send me your gift pledge of $20USD) and FEEEEEL the POWER of your miracle!
LiveFromUkraine, you had a choice to say something constructive, maybe mention some of your successful experiences in Ukraine yet you chose to join the background noise.
Based off the number of men that's hating me now
Holy-Moly! Stop the presses! INTJ - welcome to the club! That figures there would be a few on here -- big brain, pencil-heads and losers in love who try to noodle it out about women, showing how stupid they really are. That's right, the stupidest people I've ever met have been INTJ because, while it's true their brain goes all a-whir 24/7, yet they can't see that their brain waves orbit around emotional complexes they have not visibility to. For your entertainment - if you want to see how stupid smart people can be just go on over to the INTJ forum; www.INTJforum.com and have a few laughs.
That is quite the anger issues you have there :popcorn: But, pray tell, if the declared INTJ's such as myself and BC are such "losers" who "try to noodle it out about women" (whatever that means), why are we married 8)
AJ where are you?
Based off the number of men that's hating me now, there's no way I could be "bi" even if I tried. Any of you guys wanna go out on a date wtih me?
Woa Nelly a male INFP. That's a rare bird.
I took the test and here are my results:
F- feelings are very impotant to me
U- understanding others is crucial
C- compassionate and circumspect
K- kindness is always a virtue
E- educated yet egomaniacal 8)
R- rest I need rest from this thread
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6cdFuMgMkBM
Based off the number of men that's hating me now, there's no way I could be "bi" even if I tried. Any of you guys wanna go out on a date wtih me?
This whole thread is pure entertainment-it has romance :flowers: (well the perception anyway), comedy :selfharm:, drama :sad:, suspense :whew: etc...... Throw in a car chase and an exploding building or two and I think you'd have a blockbuster. :popcorn:
Reading your comment about people hating you i got curious how many had you on ignore. You only have 3 which is what I had the last time I looked so either you don't have that many people hating you or they hate you but don't want to miss the next installment of this saga.
Billy, many may not agree with your actions but you are obviously fairly smart and smart enough to know that the things you have posted would create some controversy. Personally I think if people liking you was a top priority we would not have heard as many details as we have. Personally I think you enjoy it.
Disagree. In a blockbuster, the movie hero played by Ralph Fiennes (The English Patient) would have crossed into Libya and rescued his woman. Absent those scenes, this is more akin to My Dinner with Andre without the thought provoking questions about the meaning of life.
Since you want to join this conversation and take the high road with my critics, I have some questions for you. I remember reading your trip reports years ago and you visited and dated some young ladies. What was your age and their ages at the time of visit? I don't think the young ladies you visited or dated just happened to be the youngest you wrote to. If you want to be brutally honest, what was the youngest age of a woman you communicated with?
Aren't you worried that GoodOleBoy will insult you too and say you look like the father of your wife or girlfriend? I don't think you have to worry. GoodOleBoy isn't an equal opportunity insulter. He doesn't have the guts to insult everyone equally here.
As always, GOB is free to express his opinion. If he chooses to focus on you, not on me, it is probably because you have made yourself a much easier target. What can he say about me, anyway?
That I am too cement-headed to know the risks?
That I am a DonJuannabe in Fat Bastard's clothing?
That I am sending thousands of dollars to prove that I am an Alpha man in love?
That I brag about my large tool and my skillful use of same too often?
This is your thread, after all. Far be it from me to shift any much-deserved attention away from you.
I don't think he truly realizes how ludicrous and pathetic he seems.Disagree.
Disagree.
And no, I don't know Billy or anyone else here
This truly pathetic behavior in attacking Billy from every angle (while continuing to lie about their true selves) makes any of his pathetic behavior pale in comparison.
What is your bottom line intent in this huge thread?
that PM was not a warning, but rather a "softener", after I though I might have been a bit harsh on you, and didn't want my words to cause you bad mood. If you did not understand even that tiny bit, and took it as a warning, maybe it's your subconsciousness, not the forum members, is giving you warning signals.
I tried to warn you only once, long time ago (more than a year). There is no warning contained in any of my recent posts in this thread. Do you see a warning in them?
most I think are fairly polite given the rhetoric of your posts which others may disagree with.
Your latest attempt to goad me is as clumsy as it is amusing but, making the optimistic presumption that you would know honesty if it bit you on the ass, I briefly communicated with a nineteen-year-old once.
When I was fifty-eight, I visited a woman of twenty-seven.
Hello. I have read this thread while lurking. I am on a business trip staying at a crappy hotel so I can kill time here.
Sorry to say Billy but mies is right about intentions here. The internet makes a small world and I know this family personally. It is your life to do as you want and maybe you enjoy sending money in such situations. It is not a lot of money but in that part of Ukraine it is still a substantial sum. I don't care what you decide to do but you should do it with eyes open. You have not judged this family well.
You are simply not significant enough to engender "hate" at least for me.
Billy and participants, how about ending a discussion about Billy's personality from this or that point of view? At the end of day, it starts to became annoying. :(Even though I risk getting a reply that will be in typical "BillyB' fashion :puke:, hopefully your vast intelligence :rolleyes2: will understand the point being made here. And it's from one of the women whom supposedly is in awe of your maleness.
I would like to read more about the process of a K visa for A, and any A's actions toward becoming Mrs. B.Stick with this going forward and you might gain some cred.
Billy, how about sharing things about this?
To help people out. To improve their lives and their relationships. I'm sure some people here have even improved their sex life after reading this. I'm so confident in my ability to find quality women that I started this thread before getting to my destination. I can't fail. I'm too happy to fail and I'm too good of a man to fail. When I'm on dates with women, I see their reactions and behavior towards me and I know I'm better than my competition. The women even tell me I'm better than most men they've dated. Guys may not like it but guys like me are kicking their butt when it comes to courting women and we will catch the wife material girls first if they don't make some adjustments with their attitude and behavior. I'm not here to tell guys I can do this once, or got lucky, but I can do this over and over again with fantastic results. Newbies get enough nice advice told to them here. I'm giving them a real experience. Mine.
You don't hate me even though you called me a braggart, boor, poseur, ludicrous and pathetic. Other people don't hate me even though they called or insinuated I'm immoral, pedophile, pervert, child molestor....etc. It's good to know that I'm loved by all so I shall proceed......
BillyB, as usual you haven't much of a clue. I stated that if you contacted the young lady and visited her for a sexual relationship while she was 17, in many U.S. States you could have been prosecuted as a sex tourist and for statutory rape. That is merely a fact, not a personal judgement per se.
Hello. I have read this thread while lurking......The internet makes a small world and I know this family personally
.......You have not judged this family well.
The internet makes a small world and I know this family personally.
You have not judged this family well.
Welcome to the forum Harb. It's an honor to have your first post right here.
Sorry to say Billy but mies is right about intentions here. The internet makes a small world and I know this family personally. It is your life to do as you want and maybe you enjoy sending money in such situations. It is not a lot of money but in that part of Ukraine it is still a substantial sum. I don't care what you decide to do but you should do it with eyes open. You have not judged this family well.
The internet makes a small world and I know this family personally.
Harb, next time you are in "contact" with A and her Mom, please ask them to join us here at RWD. :D
I am sure that they would find the OP's posting style very "interesting" (to say the least). :rolleyes2:
Lazarus
Hello. I have read this thread while lurking. I am on a business trip staying at a crappy hotel so I can kill time here.
Sorry to say Billy but mies is right about intentions here. The internet makes a small world and I know this family personally. It is your life to do as you want and maybe you enjoy sending money in such situations. It is not a lot of money but in that part of Ukraine it is still a substantial sum. I don't care what you decide to do but you should do it with eyes open. You have not judged this family well.
This thread may well still become one of the 'All-Time Greats' in the world of MOB message boards. Right up there with Facetrock's 'Writing to a Known Scammer' and Firebird's 'My Weekend in Moscow', LOL.
New thread with links would be a good topic starter GQ..
Me. Leaving for Iraq in about a week for a year. Closer to Ukraine. I like the adventure of working in strange places. I also like the fact that the first 91,400 is tax free with no living expenses. Everything I have is going in storage.
TomT. I wasnt deluding myself...
Matt your right it was Freebird. The guy had some interesting experiences over there. But the best was his weekend trip to Moscow when he couldnt stay out of the casinos and was late to say goodbye to the gal he was there to see. If I recall he was still kind of toasted from the night before and had beer breath. I do remember her posting something to that effect and giving her take on things. That was a classic.
I wasnt offended by Toms reply. Freebirds personal guide story was a classic too. The guide never really knew what he was doing when he was sober much less drunk. If I recall right the guide just kind of abandoned Freebird one day at a bus stop. Just kind of left him there to fend for himself. He got out ok but it was a funny story.
Me. Leaving for Iraq in about a week for a year. Closer to Ukraine. I like the adventure of working in strange places. I also like the fact that the first 91,400 is tax free with no living expenses. Everything I have is going in storage.
Sadly, so many stories have unhappy endings.
It's a damn good thing that we have the ability to delude ourselves about our chances.
btw I don't think TomT meant any offense on his first response. In many ways, sarcastic as it was, it runs valid in this endeavor in more ways than we'd care to admit.
Then, we would have twenty thousand men to four thousand visas.20% success rate (never mind the ones who go back / are sent back). :rolleyes2: When our hero trucks his "teeny" and her mother in that'll be 200% success. 10 times the average, that's "alpha"....!!!
Moderator(s) is it possible someone can relocate GQ's fond memories of Freebird to another thread. It really has nothing to do with BillyB's thread. Thanks.
It was more or less an intermission anyway since we all await BillyB's next installment/s.
No offense, but at this point I am more interested in what Harb has to say about "A" and Mom. :evil:
Lazarus
But IMO, The addition of 'A' and Mom themselves may also be a good mix into the saga. That is, if Harb can somehow get them here...no?
But, OTOH, when all is said and done, TomT, our own personal rate of success (failure) is really all that matters anyway, is it not?
LOL, is it taking traffic away from yourtrashyfleshy trade thread, Jack?
GQ, if I was ever desperate enough for trashy traffic I could always discuss your trashy experience. :ROFL:
... so maybe giving Billy a little breathing room to catch up is appropriate, after all men do have to work.
A truly confident man doesn't have tell people he is, not even once. It will come through in their posts and, in person, in their manner.
Give it a rest champ. No hate from me, no negativity, just another poster trying to give you a clue.
Billy,
It's a pity that, despite your relative youth, you have precious few moments of clarity. One such moment should have been the thunderclap of Harb's post; yet, you completely ignored that you have just been struck by lightning and burned to a cinder.
I don't know how to help you if you don't know how to help yourselves. You and a few others think my posts in this thread are my normal way of doing business on a forum. I have told you before but you fail to understand. Here is another hint. I have over 3000 posts here. Some of the regular posters are surprised to see what I'm writing and thought they knew who I am. What does that tell you? That I write like this everyday? :noidea:No, silly Billy I simply want you (and obviously the RW on this forum do too) to stop repeating yourself over and over again with this type of garbage. It's tired. Tell us some new information and stop talking about yourself other than how it concerns your relationship with A.
Here is a clue. Anybody can give this thread a rest without my help. If anyone has an addiction, they should seek professional help now.Here's another clue for you. People like watching train wrecks or is this news to you.
Sorry Billy, I have no time to read everything here, but why are you making excuses to people.It is your own life and you do want you want to do with it :)And yet another clue from the RW on this board. Who is it again that is not getting it? :rolleyes2:
Even though I risk getting a reply that will be in typical "BillyB' fashion :puke:
Although it's against forum rules to list names of people here but I think it's okay for Harb to list the FIRST letter in A and mom's names.
If he gets it right then we'll have some fun.
all that talk of mine that A is a high quality womana high quality woman
a high quality woman
(http://www.rhodiumstud.com/News_Chaswyck%20Aliah%204453%20LR%20%28Crous%29.jpg)
Billy, the only disrespect to A expressed in this thread comes from you.
Its like you have shown to most disrespect by the picture you posted comparing an animal to Billys lady.
If Harb isn't one of you, then maybe Harb really had a bad experience in the past with a young lady and her mom and thus he KNOWS those types of families and it's all bad to him so he's warning me. Although it's against forum rules to list names of people here but I think it's okay for Harb to list the FIRST letter in A and mom's names. If he gets it right then we'll have some fun. Regardless if he knows their names or not, I'd like to hear his story on why these ladies are so bad. I've received so many expert opinions so far, what is another?
Is that what you want to hear guys?
Its like you have shown to most disrespect by the picture you posted comparing an animal to Billys lady.
Billy I only started reading your thread last week,and I have to say I'm somewhat stunned. It's your life, live as you see fit. It's not the way I'd go about living, but then we all need different strokes to make the world. One thing I will say is that calling a 18yo girl a woman or lady is a big stretch. She's a kid, christ she can't even buy liquor in your country for another 3 years! Your girl may have childhood issues if shes honest in her intentions towards you. Abandonment of a father figure, a abusive male in the home, sexual abuse, it goes on and on. I have a friend when at the age of 16 she would regularly date guys 20 years her senior.
Now I'm not saying shes damaged, but it is some of the reasons young girls seeks old men. Many of us have read Olga Conroy's own words on how she viewed herself, and her loser husband during her time before she got to the USA.
if he keeps sending her 2G a month, she's never going to make it to the USA!!
Anyways I wish you the best with your girl once you get her on US soil. :)
Some things when expressed in Russian may indeed have a different connotation than if we express them in English. In English, an expression 'high quality person' does not bear any objectification of the person, at least in my personal opinion.
Also, I don't find anything objectifying A. or showing disrespect to her in Billy's posts. I don't think that a comparison to an animal is fair. Otherwise we probably would have to admit that any man who admires the appearance of a woman does objectify her. He does not. Beauty in a human being is admirable, by definition, as is anything that is harmonious, eye-pleasing, that brings us positive emotions.
And yet another clue from the RW on this board. Who is it again that is not getting it? :rolleyes2:
Billy I only started reading your thread last week,and I have to say I'm somewhat stunned. It's your life, live as you see fit. It's not the way I'd go about living, but then we all need different strokes to make the world. One thing I will say is that calling a 18yo girl a woman or lady is a big stretch. She's a kid, christ she can't even buy liquor in your country for another 3 years! Your girl may have childhood issues if shes honest in her intentions towards you. Abandonment of a father figure, a abusive male in the home, sexual abuse, it goes on and on. I have a friend when at the age of 16 she would regularly date guys 20 years her senior.Well said !
Now I'm not saying shes damaged, but it is some of the reasons young girls seeks old men. Many of us have read Olga Conroy's own words on how she viewed herself, and her loser husband during her time before she got to the USA.
Anyways I wish you the best with your girl once you get her on US soil. :)
Don't you worry about the other people, you made your point so everyone heard it and it is time for you to chill :) do not you think so? 8)Jazzy I'm not worried about anyone but the people in my life. How about taking your own advice and not worry about what I do.
Well said !
you made your point so everyone heard it and it is time for you to chill :) do not you think so?
How about taking your own advice and not worry about what I do.
Your comments seem, well, strange.
:)
I don't know maybe in English "high quality woman" sounds normal, but in Russian if you say "quality woman" or "high quality woman" it sounds really bad, you basically objectivize this person.
...Anyways I wish you the best with your girl once you get her on US soil. :) ....
...To sum it all up, Billy went on a short trip, found a young woman and her mother enticing, had some fun, fell in lust, luv or whatever and then mailed her a K1. They later got into a little trouble with the Liberia situation and he's helping them out financially...
They sure get around, don't they? They just bailed out of Libya, didn't they?
But at $2,000.00 monthly stipend BC, you can feed 2 million Haitians for that much money! Maybe 3 million Liberians. 10 million Bangladeshies. A billion Chinese... ;)
But at $2,000.00 monthly stipend BC, you can feed 2 million Haitians for that much money! Maybe 3 million Liberians
The money is irrelevant. Many guys send money and it has the effect of showing them to be serious about supporting their women...
The money is irrelevant. Many guys send money and it has the effect of showing them to be serious about supporting their women. This is a big competitve edge in countries where non-support is the rule, rather than the exception. The key is to send money to the right person or it will be as unproductive as loving the wrong person. That is where due dilligence comes in... or not.
There is something that I'm confused about, however. In the beginning, A. was an 18-year-old virgin. At some point along the way, she became 17 (presumbly still a virgin). When will she turn 16?
Mies, never heard of high quality meat? That should give you a hint.
Billy first said she was 18, then he said she was 17 when they started correspondence, but she turned 18 since, and is 18 now. :)
David posted that he was lucky that they met in Algeria because, in most U.S. States, Billy would have been chargeable with statutory rape with a minor. Billy did not correct David's presumption that A was 17 at the time. Have I missed anything?
Sorry Billy, I have no time to read everything here, but why are you making excuses to people.It is your own life and you do want you want to do with it :)
Billy, I'll make a confession to you. You are the only member of this board I have ever put on ignore. No, not recently, about 3-4 years ago. Why? Because you're a knucklehead.
Afterward, I thought why put anyone on ignore? It's silly because I can easily ignore someone should I choose to.
To Hell with the name games Harb.
We want the dirty laundry!
Do you know either "A" or Mom (how do I tactfully put this? :-\) in a "biblical way"? :rolleyes2:
Oh, I think the fun is just beginning. :evil:
Billy, the only disrespect to A expressed in this thread comes from you.
Well, hopefully 'Harb' is in fact someone just razzing you up...
But it may serve you well to at least send him a PM and find out.
No. We want to hear that getting involved with a teenager is a bad idea,
Your girl may have childhood issues if shes honest in her intentions towards you. Abandonment of a father figure, a abusive male in the home, sexual abuse, it goes on and on.
There is something that I'm confused about, however. In the beginning, A. was an 18-year-old virgin. At some point along the way, she became 17 (presumbly still a virgin). When will she turn 16?
When I was 16, the military asked my parents for permission to talk to me about joining their nuclear program as an officer. I scored in the higher end of the top 1% in the nation on the ASVAB test. I'm still a sharp guy.
Harb joined the forum on March 24 9:31 PM and finished his first post 9:42 PM. Since Harb read this thread, he would have read it before he registered. He could not have recognized A because only registered users can view photos so when he tells me that he knows the family, he is saying it without even seeing the photos.
Most likely Harb is playing a game and you guys got fooled. Based on Harb's other post, only a handful of people here would have that knowledge. Based on writing style and knowledge of West Ukraine, I would narrow it down to Boethius, the Canadian lady who has disappeared for a while. If management has the time, they can do an IP check to see where Harb has been posting from and we can go and knock on his/her door to get the information you all want.
One thing I like about posters like Harb is they bring out the best or worst out of people. You, Kuna, and a few others seem to enjoy the idea that someone has power to sabotage another person's relationship. I can imagine what you would do if that power is in your hands.Billy... I don't know why you're trying to demonise me. I'm just trying to help you... I'm trying to understand you... and at times I'm trying to clarify what you're saying because much of it seems irrational and hyper-emotional... Think of me as a a more mature next door neighbor who's helping you work things out during an emotional and troubling time.
I would compare A to being a similar lady like Lily. She can handle this. She can handle me. Heck, her mom can talk to me about sex with her daughter and some of you guys can't handle that.There is more than 20 years difference in life experience here. Lily is a fine lady... and I'm sure A will grow into one too... but she doesn't have the life experience yet to compare her with someone like Lily.
When I was 16, the military asked my parents for permission to talk to me about joining their nuclear program as an officer. I scored in the higher end of the top 1% in the nation on the ASVAB test. I'm still a sharp guy.
All through this thread people brought up things not worth waisting my time on. Algeria.... and a very sharp guy you are... :P :P :P :P :P :P ...but you have to admit... you often make fundamental spelling and grammatical errors for such a sharp guy. If you are literally challenged it may explain some of the fantasy you weave into your long correspondence with A. If you have poor comprehension but a vivid imagination everyone could understand why you've painted such a clear picture in your mind of something that may, or may not be real.
If management has the time, they can do an IP check to see where Harb has been posting from and we can go and knock on his/her door to get the information you all want.I think this would be a very good idea... and I would encourage management to do an IP check. If Harb is a current member pretending to be something they are not then we should take a very dim view on this poster. I think we can assume Harb is real until he is proven to be fake... but management might like to confirm it for us all to make sure we're not being duped AGAIN!
I've given nothing but the highest praise to A in this thread. I couldn't marry a woman unless I could praise her the way I've praised A.Billy, you really should listen to RW like mies... she is offering you a free hint on how to treat a woman. I know nothing about women compared to a man like you but if a RW feels like you speak of A as a possession, or a trophy, or something less than an equal partner - you might like to stop and listen.
I don't care about listening to Harb. If the devil tells me God is bad, should I send the devil a PM and ask for more info?You often talk about your Christian values and your faith in God, and one assumes you have planned a Church wedding. I have a question... yes, a real question:
She's Christian but not a fanatic. So am I.
For the last 16 months I know what I seen and heard.Billy, another question - because you keep opening yourself up to more speculation based on the things that you say...
Over the last 16 months I learned A is a wonderful woman:Please don't get me wrong with this next comment... it's obvious you understand the female gender much better than someone like me could ever hope to understand... but I do know something... Girls generally don't like being called women.
Positive, happy, full of life, excited about life with me.
She talks about family oriented topics all the time.
She always reminds me to buckle up the children in seatbelts and to get off the phone while driving.
She likes to keep the home clean and tidy. Look at the first photo below.
She likes to decorate the home during holidays. I expect she's going to ask me to help her in all her holiday projects. She even decorates the cat during the holidays. 2nd and 3rd photos below.
She interacts with friends and family with so much love. 4th photo below with one of her best friends.
She does not discriminate against people. She judges people as individuals just as I do.
She's conservative in her views. So am I.
She's Christian but not a fanatic. So am I.
She cares about me in many ways. One example is that she searched online for tips to help reduce my snoring.
I sometimes call her 2-3 AM my morning since the phones work better but she chastises me for not getting enough sleep. She knows I sleep about 6 hours a night and she tells me she wants a husband with a lot of energy so I should rest more. I think she'll be disappointed to find out I have too much energy.
She has good manners, classy and elegant. 5th photo below
There's more but you get the point by now. A woman like here don't come along often and man would be a fool to turn away a quality woman like her. I can catch women like her. If any man here feels they can't catch a quality woman regardless of age, then he needs to change things in his life and results aren't going to happen overnight so better start being a better man sooner than later.
People have already tried to plant a seed of doubt but I'm sure I know A better than anybody here :))There ya go again handsome! You must have a million of these funny lines. No wonder all those women fall over in front of you and beg you to "take them"...
Tom, you can answer your own questions since you are over 20 years older than I and communicated with women as young as 19. Your posts have taken an aggressive tone lately after I asked you if the 27 yo RW was the lady that took one look at you and walked away on a trip report of yours. I have a feeling she had a profile at one of the big agencies you've defended months ago.
Oh well.. going to go enjoy a nice sunny afternoon here.And hunt down a few Tunisian runaways from Manduria ;D?
And hunt down a few Tunisian runaways from Manduria ;D?
And, FWIW, those pictures you've posted, damn dude, she looks more like a child in them than in any I've yet seen. Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? :o
once A comes to the US.Will that happen?
Harb, maybe you can help a bruddah out, if you do in fact know this family personally, maybe give the family a link to this thread to support the bro and shut the creeters, know what I mean?
After all, they must have a lot of time to kill lately now that Ghaddafi have more important matters to attend to.
No offense, but at this point I am more interested in what Harb has to say about "A" and Mom.
Harb ("Harbinger" of bad news maybe?)
Harb joined the forum on March 24 9:31 PM and finished his first post 9:42 PM. Since Harb read this thread, he would have read it before he registered. He could not have recognized A because only registered users can view photos so when he tells me that he knows the family, he is saying it without even seeing the photos.
It is what unsophisticated woman thinks will work with men and looks like sometimes it does.That................has been pretty much my take on the whole thing.
I somehow have a hard time believing this..
And, FWIW, those pictures you've posted, damn dude, she looks more like a child in them than in any I've yet seen. Seriously, WTF is wrong with you? :o
You often talk about your Christian values and your faith in God, and one assumes you have planned a Church wedding. I have a question... yes, a real question:
Being such a Christian man of upstanding values, and having real faith in God - Have you spoken to your Priest about your relationship and sought his advice and guidance on such an important issue like marriage?
Your attempt at deflection is pathetic. Not that it matters, she neither walked away from me, nor was she a RLM/HRB girl.
Kuna and BC covered the age issue very well; I will defer to them.
I am grateful that someone else said this. Any older men (over 20 something), that can get "excited" or "aroused" looking at these pictures of a young girl with stuffed animals and a kitten :rolleyes2: obviously has some serious issues. :puke:
Atta boy Billy, crank these guys up!
:ROFL:
It is why we have no feelings for men who are scammed.
Seriously Jaded is right that enough information was posted for me to know from trip. .
How can conversations be stimulating?
How can there be many poignant moments?
How can laughter derive from anything other than the silly?
Is there any more to this than a "student-teacher" relationship?
Does a professor prefer dining/drinking with his students or his peers?
Is there anything exchanged for teaching other than hot body sex and a sense of recapturing one's youth?
Is teaching the ignorant fulfilling for an extended period of time?
Would a man attracted to an 18-yo hot body also be interested in talking everyday with other 18-yo kids, boys and girls with no sex.
Has history shown that these relationships to be enduring?
Did A filed already some necessary papers on her part? Or does the process prescribe that you have to be approved as her sponsor first, and now you are waiting for this approval, before she files anything?
Thanks for the information HiTech! :)
Billy, I hope that your submitted documents raise no questions from US immigration authorities. Does A already take care about the papers on her part, like police certificate or something, in order not to delay the process?
Thanks for taking the time to make a few comments, Harb. It is unlikely that Billy will take them seriously because they are in conflict with his version of reality, but the rest of us are appreciative.
So did she run from you? Or was it another lady who walked away? Look Tom, I'm not trying to say you grossly misrepresented yourself in photos but I think you've been taken advantage of a girl and her agency. Some of those girls in feeder agencies for the big ones are paid to meet you but that is the extent of their obligations unless you want to take them shopping. I was surprise how you defended some of the big agencies recently after what you've been through and you think I'm in denial?
QuoteQuote from: Kuna on 03 April 2011, 21:02:45
You often talk about your Christian values and your faith in God, and one assumes you have planned a Church wedding. I have a question... yes, a real question:
Being such a Christian man of upstanding values, and having real faith in God - Have you spoken to your Priest about your relationship and sought his advice and guidance on such an important issue like marriage?
Billy said:
I was in Missouri to attend a funeral a few weeks ago. I talked to my cousin's husband who's a pastor of a church. I told them both the fine qualities of A and her age. They told me she's sounds like a great woman and told me they can both look back since high school and can count 5 marriages that they know to be truly happy. Point is most people aren't happy in their marriages and based off what I told them and in the manner I told them, they didn't think I was making a mistake.
Although I currently don't attend church and A attends sometimes, we plan and choosing a church together that we're both comfortable with and raising our kids with God.
Kuna, you have a habit of spending hours going back over people's posts to find lies and discrepancies. How many hours did you waste finding one misspelled word? Anybody else a FOOL to look for my lies in this thread and throughout my thousands of posts? Tom? BC, you told people to read my first 50 posts in another thread? You married guys are something else. You guys don't have anything better to do at home? Anything? Kuna, you have small children and a wife at home. Don't you need to pay attention to them or are they at the point they don't care anymore?
If anybody was foolish enough to waste time going through my posts to see if I'm lying about A's age, you would have read numerous times earlier in this thread that I will not write real names and ages of women I date while their profile is still up. I could only imagine how many of you would try to Google that nympho I dated if I revealed her real info.Billy, I don't have any inclination to read back through your drivel.. that's why I only ask questions on your current posts.
I didn't answer you before Kuna but about 3 or 4 times earlier in this thread you said I was poor. Why did you lie? You told everybody that is what I've always said before. There is other misinformation you and others have been putting out constantly here and in other threads. I can't answer you all. All I can recommend to people who are now just reading this thread is to start from the beginning and if you have questions, ask them politely and you will get a polite answer.
... I, for one, know nothing of anything prior to this beyond a few references in this thread...
Sorry to hear that the mother lost her job. Now if she is going to accept a job in Poland, will she have to regularly commute there from Ukraine, won't she?
So you are now in the K-1 process. Did A filed already some necessary papers on her part? Or does the process prescribe that you have to be approved as her sponsor first, and now you are waiting for this approval, before she files anything?
Billy, I hope that your submitted documents raise no questions from US immigration authorities. Does A already take care about the papers on her part, like police certificate or something, in order not to delay the process?
You seem to have a compulsion to boast
I don't remember saying that you've said you were poor previously, you've lost me again... might be those little voices in your head again?
that's why I only ask questions on your current posts.
The one I asked (which you're now avoiding) was a pretty simple one. A is 18 now. You said you've been writing to her for 16 or 18 months... or something like that.
I just wanted to confirm whether A was 16 when you started writing to her... or whether she had JUST turned 17?
Can you please just answer one question... Was A 16 when you started writing to her - or had she just turned 17?
I already warned people early in this thread I'm going to lose a few friends here so why are you surprised? There are a lot of RW reading this thread and if you notice, they aren't worked up as you and a few other guys who hug their computers more than their girl. Think about it. MAN UP.
David, if you find yourself upset reading what I'm writing, I already warned people early in this thread I'm going to lose a few friends here so why are you surprised? There are a lot of RW reading this thread and if you notice, they aren't worked up as you and a few other guys who hug their computers more than their girl. Think about it. MAN UP.
AJ, where are you at? Do you still think men here aren't flustered?
You were in a couple of relationship with huge age gaps Gator. Was ignorance on the ladies part partially to blame for any breakups?
I think what is to blame may relate to character flaws and that can be had by anybody at any age.
One reason I don't like equal rights relationships is because the women rarely respects the man and has to take charge in numerous situations.
Very few family oriented women will accept a man in her life who lacks mental ability, morals, in poor physical health, and emotionally unstable or overly sensitive man.
By saying "very few" you are giving women more credit than they deserve. Your guideline may account for a simple majority of women, yet I assert that there are many exceptions to your guideline because many women are not this analytical. They were young and married a "beautiful" man. The second husband is more like the man you described.
BTW, BillyB probably meets your guideline. So.....?
Tom was quoting Billy...
Maybe it needs a brief synopsis and ending? Nah! I think I know the epilogue. :)
For the most part, all men need is a pretty face and we're happy.
It would appear that all except Billy knows the ending :D
Many movies I see and many books I read have a surpise ending. The question is will Billy be surprised or will the forum members be surprised.
Personally I am not so sure the ending will be what you are so sure of.
One way or the other since Billy has portrayed himself to be "The Man" I hope, however it ends up, good or bad that he is man enough to let us know. We may or may not have a long wait for that ending but it will be intersting to see and I do hope it works out for Billy.
Tom, more than a few men have divorced women with pretty faces :evil: Personally, the mistake that I wanted to avoid was marrying a woman solely for a pretty face, as I learned that a woman with a pretty face is quite capable of making your life a living misery :o Then again, perhaps this is the mistake that most men make....
Turbo, this isn't a movie or a book and I won't be surprised no matter how it works out. This girl is either very naive or very cunning. I think Billy will justly deserve everything he gets, whatever it is.
This girl is either very naive or very cunning.I actually wouldn't be surprised if that's not correct, she doesn't need to be............................ :rolleyes2:
Turbo, this isn't a movie or a book and I won't be surprised no matter how it works out.
Perhaps it is not a book or a movie FP, but many of the relationships I have had in my life and many I have seen talked about on RWD have a surpise ending. Surprise endings are the norm. Endings without a surprise are the unusual thing.
I can even look at my own marriage and really belive it "surprised" a lot of people that we ended up being very happy and with a wonderful marriage.
I can even look at my own marriage and really belive it "surprised" a lot of people that we ended up being very happy and with a wonderful marriage.
Then you prepare to be surprised, I won't be regardless of the ending. After Billy's build up and preface to this relationship, should it go South, do you honestly believe he'll come back to proclaim the naysayers here were right? I don't, his ego is much too big for that.
TG, do you really see parallels in Billy's relationship with a teenager and your marriage?
Personally I think the world is full of women who married at a young age and stayed married until one of them croaked.
I don't know. Some guys such as KenC were man enough to talk about things when they went south. I have seen more however who just disappear when disaster strikes. When things went south with his first fiancee Billy talked about it. I hope if it doesn't work out that he does tell us about it. Personally I will be disappointed if I hear it doesn't work out and I wish them both the best of luck and a happy life together. I certainly will feel bad for them if it doesn't.
Not a direct paralell but we do have more age difference than Billy does. There seems to be two issues the biggest being the fact that she is very young. I don't see a paralell there. My wife was mature enough to know what she wanted and very likely had I met her when she was the age of A it would have been an entirely different situation.
I am just not that convinced that all woman the age of A are not ready to settle down and not mature enough to make a lifetime committment and stick with it. Personally I think the world is full of women who married at a young age and stayed married until one of them croaked. I just don't see it as being as much of a doomsday scenario as some of the others do.
In the previous century, perhaps. It's been my observation that contemporary girls seem to be far less willing to tolerate a (perceived) bad situation than their mothers and grandmothers were.
In the previous century, perhaps. It's been my observation that contemporary girls seem to be far less willing to tolerate a (perceived) bad situation than their mothers and grandmothers were.
The avoidence of answering this question of her age at the time you first started correspondence is troubling to say the least.
i've seen equal or more *wound up* threads on a ford or chevy forum over which oil viscosity to use.
you are delivering this as a "how to".
I also think some just see small discrepancies in your words and naturally give you grief
as small example:
in a post above you stated A comes from a long line of women who don't divorce.
Yet her mother is obviously divorced as you have stated this.
since my mother and father were divorced , i could hardly claim to come from a *long line* of men or women who do not divorce.:)
but it's just as example of non attention to detail in your story..
that i think posters will point out..
does that make my frustrated or wound up?
heavens no billy,
it just one of a few things you say that make me go "hmmm"
What could you possibly have in common with this girl......................
Billy, you have made some preposterous statements. This one takes first prize.
Personally I am not so sure the ending will be
Now Billy has not said anything about having children with his soon to be wife.
They already have different religions.
I wonder if they have really discussed some of the more important issues?
QuoteQuote from: TomT on 01 April 2011, 04:57:51
There is something that I'm confused about, however. In the beginning, A. was an 18-year-old virgin. At some point along the way, she became 17 (presumbly still a virgin). When will she turn 16?
You're not alone in your confusion. Most of my critics have failed to read and now you're questioning the validity of this thread by saying I lied about A's age. If you can show I lied, I'll show you a fool. Guaranteed
All through this thread people brought up things not worth waisting my time on. Algeria. Where did I say anything about Algeria? I'm sending $2000 a month. Where did I say I was going to buy her a new wardrobe every month? I'm a poor man. I never said I was poor on this or any forum at any time. Sexual abuse. I never said I had sex with A or even touched her. What I did say is that I would never force a woman to break her principles for my selfish desire. What we have here is a failure to communicate. When I say A lived in Libya, it means Libya, not Algeria.
Yes, we all know how you feel about Billy and A. He's a predator and braggard.
"Yes, we all know your opinion of Billy: he's a predator and a braggart."
By linking the two sentences together with a colon, it is clearer that Kuna thinks that Billy is a predator, not necessarily you.
A asked me to buy her a kitten when she's with me. I agreed but I told her I don't give animals much attention and that is why I don't have any except some fish in an aquarium. I think the kitten will keep her busy when I'm at work so she doesn't get too bored....
LOL.... Thank you so much for the grammar lesson Tom. Please feel free to check all of my future posts for proper grammar. No, really. :rolleyes2:
Imagine an FSU woman wandering into one of these forums and interacting with the men. She can't see the Mercs, the Bimmers, the palatial estates, the investment portfolios, the Armani suits, the trim abs, the chisled features, the thick hair or the heavy equipment. Her first impression arrives via his written words... and never underestimate the importance of a grammatically correct first impression
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I'm learning a lot from the men here and they are more emotionally sensitive than the average RW.
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Come on Billy, now you've got all the lurkers wondering where a mid-40's man goes to find a 16 yr old girl on the Internet. :puke:
U left off the period
Priceless. :D
Come on Billy, now you've got all the lurkers wondering where a mid-40's man goes to find a 16 yr old girl on the Internet. :puke:
Come on Billy, now you've got all the lurkers wondering where a mid-40's man goes to find a 16 yr old girl on the Internet. :puke:
Kuna, you need to relax and take a breath man. You really are starting to sound like a broken record. You really need to not take this so personal and its quite obvious that you are.
If A's mom and A are fine with Billy marrying A, then its their decision and their lives to either fail or succeed. Not everyone can conform to your life views. If we all did this would be a very boring world indeed......
Are you bothered that RW mothers like me so much that they encourage me to have a satisfying love life with their daughter and give me tips on sex and nutrition advice to improve my libido?
Geez.....................some of this is getting too personal i feel...........................
A asked me to buy her a kitten when she's with me. I agreed but I told her I don't give animals much attention and that is why I don't have any except some fish in an aquarium. I think the kitten will keep her busy when I'm at work so she doesn't get too bored. When she gets a drivers license, she'll be free to get out of the house but until then, we have to find ways to keep her from being bored.
Bizarre
I am sure some think so and that is why this thread is going well over 1000 posts. I am sure Billy thinks everything he talks about is completly normal and the issues he discusses are things we all discuss and face. Nothing bizzare at all.
I am sure some think so and that is why this thread is going well over 1000 posts. I am sure Billy thinks everything he talks about is completly normal and the issues he discusses are things we all discuss and face. Nothing bizzare at all.
Mom will sign a contract to work in Poland in a few weeks but she won't start until A has left with me to America.
Are you bothered that RW mothers like me so much that they encourage me to have a satisfying love life with their daughter and give me tips on sex and nutrition advice to improve my libido?
Maybe I'm missing something but how do you get a job without a definite start date?
Perhaps mom mentioned the most obvious way to improve one's libido: get involved with a teenager.
I will also ask the woman what she expects out of me and if I can meet her requirements, I will not marry her.
I'm thinking you meant to say that you would marry her if you met her requirements, yes? Just wanted to point this out before the "anti-Billy" vultures swooped in on this one statement to make a mountain out of a mole hill. :cluebat:
You surely are not going to tell me that any members of RWD would stoop so low as to make a mountain out of a mole hill? :ROFL:
QuoteI will also ask the woman what she expects out of me and if I can meet her requirements, I will not marry her.I'm thinking you meant to say that you would marry her if you met her requirements, yes? Just wanted to point this out before the "anti-Billy" vultures swooped in on this one statement to make a mountain out of a mole hill. :cluebat:
With BillyB, who knows? His statement could be correct - maybe BillyB has stretch goals, or considers easily satisfied women tedious, or loves a challenge,..... ;)
Are you saying that because that is how you think? You think I'd have relations with any young woman no matter how stupid, overweight, ugly, and bitchy she is just because she's young? Some of you make more out of age than I do. Maybe because it is important to you more than I?
You are the one who is foolishly pursuing marriage to a teenager, not I.
I hope that you didn't buy into that BS about parsley being beneficial for a man's sexual health.
If we build cases on things that didn't happen, we could conjure up all manner of ridiculous crap.
One thing that is going to happen, however, is that A's brain will develop.
If it's true the apple doesn't fall far from the tree, then I'm going to be a very happy man because mom adores me. How's your in laws feel about you?
At a restaurant mom will take the parsley off her and A's plate and give it to me since parsley is good for a man's libido. She tells me I should eat it everyday when I go back home. Another RW I once dated gave me her parsley too. How many RW have taken parsley off their plate and passed it to you in an effort to show they care about your performance?
Here is an excerpt from the web site you make reference to mies.
"Although it is not commonly eaten in quantity, parsley herb is a good natural source of carotene (provitamin A), vitamins B1, B2, and C, as well as iron and other minerals. Parsley is therefore a good nutrient, especially when combined with bulgur and other ingredients in the tasty Lebanese salad, tabbouleh, but as a medication, the herb is of little worth."
I wonder what they mean when they say "large amounts"?
You are upset I'm not making things clear yet it's your fault.
Read this thread and you will understand clearly what I'm saying.
A's mom and dad isn't divorced. Just because they're separated doesn't mean they're divorced. Even if they were divorced, it doesn't mean mom initiated it. A comes from a long line of women that don't divorce their husbands. I can't make it anymore simpler that that for comprehension purposes.
How many times do these complainers state "Yeah, I dated a lot of fat women until I decided I wanted a slimmer one". ? I haven't seen it once
All one has to do is look at the dating pool of domestic women and RW. RW on average look much better, have good education, and more mentally mature. Domestic women more often than RW talk about their tattoos, piercings, being 420 friendly(like to smoke dope) and being BBW(big beautiful woman). Many domestic women let themselves go but have in in their head their failings are accually something to be proud about.
There are plenty of attractive, fit, athletic, intelligent American 18 year old girls with a good education and without tattoos or drug habits. They date within their age/peer groups. They do not date middle aged men. If you have found an 18 year old (now 19 years old) slender attractive Ukrainian girl who is willing to date and marry a middle aged man, than perhaps you should ask yourself what her motivations are.
You need to get out more! From what I've read about AW (and have seen here and in other countries), there are plenty (in absolute numbers) who do date middle aged men. The proportion, of course, is quite small when you look at the overall size of the dating pool, but it still happens. One of my primary school classmates eventually married a man 20 years older than her - 30 years later they're still happily married.
A's motivations in agreeing to marry BillyB are nobody's business but her's. I know why Billy generates the reactions that he does but, if he was any other poster, especially a newbie, this forum would be full of sympathy for him, with exhortations not to do such a stupid thing because nobody that age could seriously contemplate marriage. I actually happen to agree that he shouldn't do it, but from the standard perspective of "she's almost certainly too young to really know yet what she wants," rather than "BillyB is an evil predator who should be locked up for life for contemplating such a dastardly deed."
As I've posted before, they are both of legal age to do whatever they want wherever they want - let them get on with it, and worry about more important things in life. If they fail, everyone on here will quite happily go "na na, told you so!" If they succeed, how many will have the grace to say "congratulations Billy and A, I was wrong." I seriously wish them all the best for their future - I just hope that they have the strength to stay airborne, and not crash and burn like so many before them.
Absolutely the only 18 year old girls who would date a middle aged man would be those who are very damaged and were homeless or border line homeless, probably due to some sort of abusive relationship with a father or stepfather at home.
Apparently you just don't know. There are quite a few that will and do. Rarely is love or the chance of love the motivator. It is not that uncommon but, it isn't wide open apparent either.
An Error Has Occurred! The post you are trying to quote either does not exist, was deleted, or is no longer viewable by you.As for your earlier post:
Whoaaaaa Nellieee. The age gap itself doesn't seem to bother many. There are a lot of guys here with 10-20 year age gaps. Billy is his own worst enemy with the chest pounding "I'm the Man" postings and the "If you do it my way, you too can have an 18 yr old".I had already written that I knew why Billy generated the reactions he gets - you don't need to bang on about it again!
That was the point that I was making, and why I emphasised that the proportion was small. But where did Rubicon's post go?
I had already written that I knew why Billy generated the reactions he gets - you don't need to bang on about it again!
Apparently you just don't know. There are quite a few that will and do. Rarely is love or the chance of love the motivator. It is not that uncommon but, it isn't wide open apparent either.
Dan,
Could I have your permission to post some of my observations from the survey data, along with the statistical data? I can dig these up from my archived emails and as I recall the data was well organized and easy to sort through to find, in my opinion, to provide statistics more relevant to the discussions here.
"Rarely is love or the chance of love the motivator." Keywords in this paragraph. Yes there might be some young women who date sugar daddies for money. But they generally are not educated and/or have few prospects to go to a ranked University. There are also the rare few who do it because it is somewhat taboo and turns them on. This may or may not lead to a long term commitment.
Now you can teach your teenage daughter that men over a certain age are worthless but I've learned many RW judge a man's worth based on other more important factors than age. Smart, very smart.
.....All one has to do is compare dating sites. Can ANYBODY show me an American dating site where the average woman looks better than the women of an FSU dating site?....Hey Billy-
If anybody is worried I'm going to marry an 18 yo RW, you need not worry anymore. That WILL NOT HAPPEN. An event occurred in the past month and what has happened is irreversible. I can't change the past nor will I try to change the past because it's not worth my time and effort. My fiancee had a birthday. She's not 18 anymore.
Jooky, I understand the ways to calculate divorce rate aren't perfect but that is the way it is. Current divorces counted against current marriages.
As for how it all went wrong, we'd be interested to read all about it, as I don't know how you managed to lose her being that you have such a high level of confidence.
So she was 17 yo teenager when you first wrote to her? :-\ I dunno dude either way its sick. Hope your local school board doesn't read this, you may wind up with a restraining order to stay a certain distance from any highschool. As for how it all went wrong, we'd be interested to read all about it, as I don't know how you managed to lose her being that you have such a high level of confidence. I mean you say they chase you, and it just goes on & on & on. You had a girl in Tashkent that went down the drain as well I recall. If I were you Billy I'd take a close look at yourself, you're fucking up in life and too high on yourself to realise. If you're not marrying her why do you still call her your fiancee? See, this is what I mean by needing to take a look at yourself.
But he'll still be 40 (the same age he was when he first contacted her), and still doesn't look like the guy above :P :P
Billy's "saga" does have one positive for me. I remembered some poetry that sat far back in my memory. So, I had the opportunity, after work, to read some poetry, as his description reminded me of a great scene. For those not fluent, ask a Russian to translate. I'll try to find a good translation, but I think the effect will be lost:
Морозна ночь; всё небо ясно;
Светил небесных дивный хор
Течет так тихо, так согласно...
Татьяна на широкий двор
В открытом платьице выходит,
На месяц зеркало наводит;
Но в темном зеркале одна
Дрожит печальная луна...
Чу... снег хрустит... прохожий; дева
К нему на цыпочках летит
И голосок ее звучит
Нежней свирельного напева:
Как ваше имя? Смотрит он
И отвечает: Агафон.
On a side note I spoke this evening with a lovely and very beautiful girl from Ukraine who is 19 years old who works at my local supermarket. I have spoken to her before and she has always been friendly, so this evening I asked her if she had a Russian or American boyfriend. She immediately said American and was quick to say that she does not like Russian guys. I than asked her how old her boyfriend was and she said 20 years old (perfectly normal!!).
Now to continue the story I than asked my 19 year old friend what she would think about a 45 year old somewhat short man with a paunch who was going to marry a 19 year old girl from Ukraine. She immediately laughed and said that the girl will leave him as soon as she gets her green card, no ifs ands or buts.
...young woman...
Dunno bro. I don't know exactly what it is you're talking about as I don't really see a huge difference between the groups.
It's from Evegeny Onegin
She is a TEENAGER.
GOB finds it strange how many male RWD members have used words like "young woman, woman, young lady, legal now :rolleyes: ....etc.) to describe "A".
I suppose the idea of a 40 something year old man courting a 16/17 yo teenager is a little uncomfortable to think about, so calling her a "young woman" (or whatever) is a little more palatable? eh? :rolleyes:
GOB
Boethius,
I don't believe for one second that you truly believe that BillyB has any predatory intent concerning your daughter or is fixated on her.
Personally I don't find the idea of a guy in his 40's engaged to a woman of 19 uncomfortable to think about at all. As far as the terminology, yes, she is a teen ager and that word is appropriate, she is also a young woman, girl is also quite appopriate, woman is too and I have seen much older people refer to someone that age as child but technically child would be the least appropiate term.
She is old enough to make her own decisions and young enough that they could be wrong ones. Even much older people make wrong decisions. That is what makes life interesting. We can screw up our life when we are young, live with the errors of our ways and try to undo the damage if we can. Life would be boring if we never made mistakes.
The GOB rant is getting kinda old and silly.
....she's legally an adult so case closed.
BTW: Plenty of 15 year olds having sex here in the USA.
Actually I thought it was a well known phenomenon, that young girls (teens to early 20's) often find older men attractive. Because girls will often mature faster than boys, they grow tired of the boys and often have crushes on their teachers and such.
Could it be that many of the males here who rant about Billy's young gal are actually jealous?
Just wondering.
Before anyone jumps here; I have strict 40 and above requirement for my gals.
Point taken.
I am taken aback however by the moral judgement capacity of the "she's legal now" crowd. :rolleyes:
GOB
I'm not convinced she was not legal at the outset. She had a profile listing somewhere, searching for man for marriage with her Mom's consent and blessing (as stated before). As far as I know, and I admit I could be mistaken, a 16 year old can marry a man of any age with parental consent. It's the parental consent which makes the difference in the USA.
So, how was it illegal, even if she were 16 at the time of initial contact? She's legal now, and was so then - as I understand the situation.
Morality is a different issue/question and is entirely subjective.
:popcorn:
Wow, it seems this issue with Billy will never go away.
The statement that teenagers will chase a 40 something man is rather laughable, but it does happen. Look at the teen throbs from TV and movies who are 40 or close to it and the following they have.
But hey, to each his own. It is okay to dream. I guess time will tell.
So, how was it illegal, even if she were 16 at the time of initial contact?
Now that we have this stupid legal age out of the way, perhaps some want to discuss their lofty morals. Gggeeezzz.
Your interpretation of right and wrong is interesting.
GOB
Tim,
On one side lofty morals, on the other lofty dreams.
Obviously a bad mix.
Your interpretation of right and wrong is interesting. :rolleyes:
How then would you explain the Long Island police being at a certain residence yesterday, questioning a 17 yo girl (in front of her Mother) concerning a "grown" congressman in his 40's making (possible) inappropriate contact with her on the internet?
GOB
BTW.....She will also be "legal" in a few month's. :rolleyes:
Your interpretation of right and wrong is interesting. :rolleyes:
How then would you explain the Long Island police being at a certain residence yesterday, questioning a 17 yo girl (in front of her Mother) concerning a "grown" congressman in his 40's making (possible) inappropriate contact with her on the internet?
GOB
BTW.....She will also be "legal" in a few month's. :rolleyes:
:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :cluebat:
Lots of things that are "legal" are not necessarily "moral".
Like what?
I must admit that Billy is the better fisherman thus far
Like this 51 year old courting and maybe marrying my (not adopted) daughter.
Adultery is not illegal. No one gets thrown in jail for cheating on his/her spouse. Adultery isn't even punishable in divorce proceedings.
Cussing at children is not illegal either. One may get punched in the nose by an irate parent, but there is no legal penalty attached thereto.
People lie all the time. I can't recall anyone being charged with it, unless they lie under oath. Absent a lie in legal proceedings, it may (or may not) ruin a reputation, but it won't result in legal consequences.
Drinking is accepted in society, including drinking to the point of alcohol poisoning, provided one does not drive.
Cheating on a paper may get one expelled from a college, but the student usually gets accepted elsewhere, and it is not illegal.
Despite the fact adulterers are stoned to death in many Muslim countries, adultery still occurs. Theft still occurs. Notwithstanding numerous hangings of gays and drug dealers, both still are pretty rampant, by any measure, in Iran.
I have known a number of Filipinos who worked in Arab countries, and they have told me that for "third worlders", rape (against females and males) is so common, Filipino men won't go out at night unless they are in groups. Arabs don't face charges for raping these workers.
I have no problem telling any country that flogs/stones people, or holds them in slavery that I think my country is morally superior to theirs. Perhaps you think slavery is morally acceptable. I do not.
Boethius let's not get carried away, adultery is indeed illegal in many US states, in Canada or the UK no, but in many places in the US the standards are a little more puritan. An adulterer may not be arrested and made to do a perp walk around the neighbourhood but adultery in some parts of the US has consequences even in divorce cases.
http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-04-26-column26_ST_N.htm (http://www.usatoday.com/news/opinion/forum/2010-04-26-column26_ST_N.htm)
http://www.lonestarlaw.net/dallas-divorce-attorney-adultery/ (http://www.lonestarlaw.net/dallas-divorce-attorney-adultery/)
GOB, I believe, is a man of high moral character.
based on what Billy wrote I strongly suspect that Billy is being played by both mom and A and he will pay the price in a few years...
If your daughter is of legal age and is good with this then it sounds like it's not immoral but an irritation because it's not what you want.
Though the membership has made clear their views on GOB, Dave, I think you are wrong in assuming GOB wishes to "control" Billy. This has nothing to do with control.
GOB, I believe, is a man of high moral character. I do not for a minute believe he is "jealous", which is pretty repugnant. GOB is making known his disgust of what he perceives to be a man of low moral character. There are others here who have stated the same, but after having their say, dropped the issue. There are yet others who have not posted, but I know have the same view, and have, in fact, stopped posting because they are disgusted with what they perceive to be "support" of Billy based on the argument that "it is legal, so shut up".
Lots of things that are "legal" are not necessarily "moral".
GOB has made his case and his views are well known by all, so I am certain, based on the above, that he will move on. But let's not present what is patently absurd as normal. This is not a case of a young girl becoming enamored with an older man. We can see how "enamored" she is based on a quick perusal of their photos together. This is not the case of a potential MIL "concerned" about the good sex life of a "future SIL". This is all about manipulation, and the mark who is too stupid and vain to see it.
You sure did disappear for awhile.
Great photo Billy. I do wish you would have cut the basket out instead of Mom. It's making me hungry.
http://www.freepersonals.ru/profile?id=402160 (http://www.freepersonals.ru/profile?id=402160);
Does this guy posts on RWD too? (hint - look at his age requirments)
Steamer, I don't believe critics who say they have high moral standard because they won't date a young woman.
Take a young woman, who is famous, rich, beautiful who wants to be with one of my critics who is single and lonely. Morals get thrown out the window!
Everyone was given ample unfettered opportunity to voice an opinion - positive or negative. There does come a time to simply "shut the friggin hell up" - though, as is evident by this and the other thread, that time isn't necessarily enforced unless the opinion becomes pervasive through other areas/threads of the forum.
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Dave,
I'd suggest a few married men in here actually participate in RWD because they want to try to help newbies find what they are looking for.
Please remember Billy's other thread (by his own assertion) was to train/advise/encourage others to follow his path.
The problem is, if married men, aren't speaking out when a whack job like Billy promotes such misleading, stupid ideas, then the value of RWD is gone.
Like you I joined RWD unmarried. I spent a lot of time reading the advice of others and I was able to work out who to listen to and who not to listen to. I know others that have been here and taken the wrong advice and found themselves a trainwreck. Billy is creating future trainwrecks.
If he is reckless enough to take this path he should not pretend it's something others should do... or at least a man of integrity would admit it is fraught with risks.
Billy's participation here is about attention seeking I'd say. My guess is that he's an insignificant man in the eyes of most people that know him and via the Internet he is able to express this bizarre self-image he has created. Good on him... he can choose to be whoever he wants to be, but he should not be advising others that this is normal.
It's far from normal - being a common fantasy does NOT make it normal!
If you care to look at his most recent posts inciting even more conjecture you'll see I'm right.
I suspect you're one that is mildly titillated by his stories, but my advice to you is that you need to continually give yourself a reality check on this journey to make sure you're not the next WM heading for a trainwreck.
Anyway, in my situation, there is no law, man or God's, on record to say what I've done is illegal or immoral. Stop playing God and you'll be better off.
If a man is fishing in the ocean and falls into a school of sharks, was he really the better fisherman >:D
Any man prepared to marry someone so inexperienced in life must be inexperienced in life himself. How could a worldly person settle for a "meaningful relationship" with someone so inexperienced.
When I was "just having fun" and "not ready to settle down" I'd happily chase younger women (girls) but every one of those "relationships" couldn't last because a real man needs intellectual stimulation. A shallow man would settle for "fresh meat" but there needs to be more to life than that. Anyone with life experience knows that!
Billy, very few of your critics are single men. Most of us are happily married and more wise than you. We know what it takes to establish and maintain a successful marriage. You are just drooling. :P
The problem is, if married men, aren't speaking out when a whack job like Billy promotes such misleading, stupid ideas, then the value of RWD is gone.
I think most men who attempt to follow a similar path will have a less than stellar outcome.
I also tend to agree with Misha, BC, and a few others that the age was less of a factor than the way the posts themselves came across.
This situation has little titillation for me personally (aside from the initial entertainment value of the swarm which inevitably wore thin through seemingly endless repetition) because,
The bottom line remains, this is a numbers game with the risks of losing time and money as well as the potential heartache involved. The potential reward is also great. I agree with your ideology of being as well informed as possible and reducing the foolish
Are you saying that I'm playing God?
Hi BillyB,
I have a couple of questions for you, if you feel like it (maybe you have allready said but I can't remember).
1. When is the wedding?
2. Have you met her father?
I think one reason some people exploded after I entered into a relationship with A is not just because of her age but because they realize I can do it. Some people have a problem with this thread because I'm saying I'm a manly man. I'm not just saying it but showing people how I get from point A to B before it even happens. I can do this over and over and get results.
GOB, I believe, is a man of high moral character.
Evidently, you believe a forty something man contacting a minor is A-OK. I do not.
I have two friends that went through almost the exact same tragedy. One was exactly twice her age (18) and the other was 22 years older than her. As you can see, very young girls. In addition, both came from small towns and didn't have much worldly experience.
The first guy was actually pursuing a woman closer to his age and was using a translator. The translator convinced my friend that the woman he was writing to was not a very honorable one. Then she suggested a nicer girl; her daughter. I remember him asking me about this situation and all I did was cringe. I didn't tell him anything negative nor positive. All I asked him was to think this clearly. Well, they married. They were married for 7 years and had a son. Then the 7 year itch happened. Suddenly he was despised by his wife. He is still scratching his head as he tells me they had 7 beautiful years together. I saw them together and they looked very happy. They are now divorced. I saw her not so long ago at a gathering of RWs and my, she looked used and abused. Very sad eyes. In addition, she was dressed like a tramp. It didn't help that her very good friend is Natasha Fatale. Boy, do people don't hide their dislike of her.
The second guy was contacted by thegirlwoman and after a few months dating they got married in Ukraine. They were married for 7 years and had twin girls. Then the 7 year itch happened. Same exact thing. She dispised him, started fooling around with every Tom, Dick and Harry and they ended divorced. She is always dressed for the kill and maybe for a very good reason. Someone has to pay for her bills.
Two almost exact cases, big age difference with very young girls. Very sad.
My advice to you, watch out for the seven year itch. I should know. My first wife was 21 when we married; I was 34. She moved out after seven years of marriage. It seems this happens to the very young women.
People change the most in their twenties, I think. Girls who came from the FSU likely experienced two years of culture shock, and moved on when they were comfortable with themselves and their abilities to survive independently.
I suspect having young children actually hastened the demise of your friends' marriages. As anyone who has raised kids knows, young children are a blessing, but they also demand time and energy. That time and energy is not put into the marriage.
That's not the same nice girl I met years ago.
Yet they have, somehow survived, have they not?
As you are no doubt aware, in Ukraine, mothers always obtain custody of children. It is plausible that having children was part and parcel of a plan to have an income source. I'm not saying that's a certainty, just a possibility.
Don't the husbands have to support them as their sponsors into the country?
On one hand we have a self-aggrandizing Billy pursuing what seems to be one of the more foolish paths for going forth and conjugating . This has prompted the following types of responses:
1. Members warning Billy of the high risks.
2. A few members sharing their personal knowledge of similar December-May marriages, expressing how the couples they knew had a long, blissful marriage.
3. The self-righteous who condemn vehemently BillyB's individual choices on moral grounds. Instead of debating increased risks, the detractors feel it is their purview to demonize Billy, even suggesting he is a libertine, a dissolute man.
No. 1 and 2 used to be what RWD was about. I wonder how many of the self-righteous feel that Billy's story should be censored.
:P
I don't know Chivo, what about Willie Nelson, or Bobby Kennedy?
LOL
Besides Steamer, viking, turboguy, tfcrew, glyden and forgive me if I left anyone out, are married guys that don't seem to be on your side expressing so much negativity towards what others do.
OK. Now how about another 10 pages of the same old same old?
I get the part that this is a forum where everyone gives their opinion but, really how many of you like listening to a broken record? I mean at some point you just have to skip it.
Bill(y) is a big boy. She is of legal age. Next!
How about this, let's see what happens. And how about everyone leaving their morals out of it. More breaking news, the world does not revolve around anyone's particular morals no matter how self righteous anyone thinks they are.
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Is there anything more pompous and arrogant as to place one's own morals onto someone else?
http://www.freepersonals.ru/profile?id=402160 (http://www.freepersonals.ru/profile?id=402160);
Does this guy posts on RWD too? (hint - look at his age requirments)
An aside: BillyB, I thought you said on another thread your gal did something irreversible and that you're no longer getting hitched? Is it true? (What did she do that was irreversible, what? she got older? ;) . If it isn't too personal, I'd like to know)
Actually, he was referring to A having her 19th B'day. Therefore, it would be impossible (irriversible?) for him to marry an 18 yo.
BTW, nice post.
Ditto
In the end, as always, if you can't resist the quick fix, and if not for your health then your sanity, read the warning labels and quit tweaking reality.
Remember when I criticized Sculpto for taking a book he created showing photos of himself dancing nude and then showing the book to girls at discos in the FSU?
Do you remember your reply to me? You said it is ok because his photos are artwork.
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If anybody is worried I'm going to marry an 18 yo RW, you need not worry anymore. That WILL NOT HAPPEN. An event occurred in the past month and what has happened is irreversible. I can't change the past nor will I try to change the past because it's not worth my time and effort. My fiancee had a birthday. She's not 18 anymore.
I'll give a more detailed report when I got more time but for now I'll say my fiancee, A, adores and respects me more than ever. She respects the way I conduct myself and appreciates how I take care of her since she left Libya during the war.
Here is a photo of A during Easter celebration. I usually cut mom entirely out of the photos but this one I wanted to show the Easter basket A made.
I quoted a couple of the important things you have said with regards to you fiancee, first you say your not going to marry and then go on to post that you will still marry. Since no one is asking, could you tell us how it got back on track?
Hi BillyB,1) The wedding will be approximately 1 month after my goverment will allow A to come here.
I have a couple of questions for you, if you feel like it (maybe you have allready said but I can't remember).
1. When is the wedding?
2. Have you met her father?
I will add to those;
3. I vaguely remember you saying she's a "no sex before marriage" kinda girl. Does this still hold true and if so, how do you reconcile this with your views on the importance of sex and sexual compatibility.
4. Related to above; would you advise everyone that it's okay to get married before they've been intimate? Do you think it's wise to financially subsidize the life of a prospective partner before intimacy?
Billy,
Even though we go back a long way, I can't bring myself to post further here. Good luck.
I have two friends that went through almost the exact same tragedy. One was exactly twice her age (18) and the other was 22 years older than her. As you can see, very young girls. In addition, both came from small towns and didn't have much worldly experience.
The first guy was actually pursuing a woman closer to his age and was using a translator. The translator convinced my friend that the woman he was writing to was not a very honorable one. Then she suggested a nicer girl; her daughter. I remember him asking me about this situation and all I did was cringe. I didn't tell him anything negative nor positive. All I asked him was to think this clearly. Well, they married. They were married for 7 years and had a son. Then the 7 year itch happened. Suddenly he was despised by his wife. He is still scratching his head as he tells me they had 7 beautiful years together. I saw them together and they looked very happy. They are now divorced. I saw her not so long ago at a gathering of RWs and my, she looked used and abused. Very sad eyes. In addition, she was dressed like a tramp. It didn't help that her very good friend is Natasha Fatale. Boy, do people don't hide their dislike of her.
The second guy was contacted by thegirlwoman and after a few months dating they got married in Ukraine. They were married for 7 years and had twin girls. Then the 7 year itch happened. Same exact thing. She dispised him, started fooling around with every Tom, Dick and Harry and they ended divorced. She is always dressed for the kill and maybe for a very good reason. Someone has to pay for her bills.
Two almost exact cases, big age difference with very young girls. Very sad.
My advice to you, watch out for the seven year itch. I should know. My first wife was 21 when we married; I was 34. She moved out after seven years of marriage. It seems this happens to the very young women.
Billy asked me if I thought he was immoral, and I responded. This is, as far as I know, a forum. Am I to lie? He continued asking me, and I continued responding in the affirmative. However, I haven't bothered to acknowledge his last three baiting posts, nor will I respond to Billy further.
1. Members warning Billy of the high risks.
So let's see if I can offer up a fresh take for the OP, how about dropping the "y" and changing your name to "Bill". I mean no ultimate male would be caught dead being called Billy, Jimmy, Bobby etc. in public after the age of 25.
On topic: you know what, this thread has been developing SOOOOOO slow lately, that by the time Billy and A decide to marry, she won't be neither a teenager nor a gilr of college age any more, so I think everybody can stop worrying about morality of the situation ;)
Billb: In your last picture, is "A" in the white or red? >:D
Earlier in this thead I got criticized for dating too much and been accused of having commitment problems. Then I got accused of deciding to marry too quickly. Now I'm going to slow.
Nat, what can I do for you to make you happy? Anything you want. I do know how to make a lady happy. ;)
Honey, you're making me happy just posting ;) The forum does need a public enemy - otherwise it gets so boring here ;)
... I'm just having some fun.
Billy will undoubtedly see this as the biggest compliment he's received since A said to him, "You're not as short as you look in your photos."
:P :P :P
Billy, I'm not actually suggesting A ever had any concerns at all over your height... I'm just having some fun.
Yeah, that's what Hitler also said to the Poles in '39. In '45 it wasn't so funny anymore :P :P :P
:ROFL:
Now THAT is funny!
What an idiotic thing to say... Not even slightly funny.
Billy's fiancee is almost 20 years old.
Yeah, that's what Hitler also said to the Poles in '39. In '45 it wasn't so funny anymore :P :P :P
But it was still funny in '39 Natural ????????
I can read your signature line. You've asked God to place you into a choke hold and cover your mouth. You're not playing God but just playing with him. ;)
From my experience, once a RW determines that you're a MAN, she will listen to what you have to say and accept it.
Mark,
please post photos of the black eye :ROFL:
As for morality, I'd suggest moral relativism is at play here. In some parts of the world, it is perfectly acceptable to kill female babies. In others, it is acceptable for adult men to marry 10 year olds. In yet others, it is acceptable to own slaves.
I won't speak for anyone else, but for me, if this girl had been 19 at first contact, I would've thought the actions risky, but not morally repugnant. However, the line was crossed two years ago, and it indicates something about character. That doesn't change.
I know some would be happy if a woman knows where her place should be.
I may have missed details in the 51 pages..:ROFL:
:ROFL:
Hey I'm good for comic relief about twice a year.AJ, It's the "line" of the year for mine.
Another reason is that many of the RW understand I'm not what some have claimed me to be, perverted and a child molester. One can't have the success I'm having being morally bankrupt.
Another reason RW aren't affected by what I say is because it's okay for a man to talk strong without being offensive.Another reason why RW aren't affected is that RW's are amused by the way you think/talk strongly. It's almost as good as a Colbert Report or a Daily Show. Only the comedians are being ironic & sarcastic, and you speak from your heart. So it's almost a voyeuristic pleasure observing how you peel your soul naked in front of the forum. Unless you are making fun of all of us here :P
We talk about our roles in our marriage and we agree with traditional roles.I hope you do all the talking (strongly), and A. does all the agreeing (femininely), otherwise the traditional roles would be seriously compromised.
I think A. is a very beautiful girl, she is so flawless that she can easily be a photo-model for swimsuits or lingerie, or any other type of "model"/actress/TV-star etc. because her appearance is perfect.
Of all the photos of wives/fiancees/unsuspecting passerby RWs I've seen on this site, A. is the most beautiful. This is why the fact that she may actually end up spending several precious years of her youth with Billy (the reasons for that is a different topic) makes me cringe....
Exactly. Some guys, Billy among them, respond with "women who criticize are just jealous of A's beauty." I do not criticize A., and I do not question her beauty. As Russian joke says "please show me the line where I should start laughing/покажите в каком месте смеяться," in this story it's "please, show me the line where I should start being jealous."
It would be very interesting to know the thought process of A's mom. Maybe Billy can invite her here..? I promise to be civil and respectful.
I certainly am not going to highlight the posts.
I may have missed details in the 51 pages..
Do you speak daily with A?
skype? phone? email?
With the additional delays,
do you plan to travel and have a second meeting with A?
or are your plans still to await her K1 being approved?
Some guys, Billy among them, respond with "women who criticize are just jealous of A's beauty." I do not criticize A.
Of all the people involved, A's mom is an enigma to me, just can't reconstruct her thought process here.
A lady at church asked A to volunteer to help with a church event. Children ages 6-16 will be coming in from various towns in the region to go camping, play games, and learn about Jesus.
I hope you understand the difference between "perfect wife material" in general, and a perfect wife material for a specific man.
Let's say, there is a beautiful 17 yo girl, who is about to graduate from high-school. She speaks 3 foreign languages, is stunningly gorgeous, volunteers for her community = kindhearted and good-natured, comes from good family with both mother and father who never divorced and have healthy family relationship, possibly lawyers or medical doctors, high-income, she is American, and is already admitted to Stanford with a scholarship. She wants to get her degree and to have a good loving family, just like her parents'.
To me, she seems a pretty good "wife material."
Now, let us consider a set of possibilities, some - likely, some - highly unlikely.
So I don't know what A sees in Billy, but it's her path to choose and I don't see that the path most followed is a better guarantee of her long term happiness.
You had a hard time believing a young beautiful lady can go out with a guy like me so early in this thread you warned me I could get used. Now that I've had time to talk about A's character, I think people are starting to see what I've seen in her.I am still having hard time believing it. But generally, I changed my mind after I saw A's character in a sky-blue swimsuit 8)
and that's what I have to say about that.
Your list of possibilities is what gets me thinking.
Exhibit E is what you have in mind as the best situation for this theoretical girl, right?
It's a common scenario and one that I've seen. The results: some happy lasting marriages, some bitter divorces and everything in between.
I've seen some more unlikely scenarios as well. The results: some happy lasting marriages, some bitter divorces and everything in between.
With the exception of the drug addict, I think any of the men in your exhibits could be a good husband (yup even the white trash guy). These are all different paths to follow. It's clear which one you think is the best path, but a woman could be happy with any of these paths.
So I don't know what A sees in Billy, but it's her path to choose and I don't see that the path most followed is a better guarantee of her long term happiness.
Mies, прекрати думать мои мысли :D (stop thinking my thoughts).;D
Billy, you live in the Seattle area right? So do I. I hope that someday when your A and my Lena arrives we can all get together for dinner or something. I would look forward to meeting you and A. I admire that you have the courage and guts to come here and tell your story knowing full well that there will be plenty of jealous, spiteful and downright rude know-it-all people here who have nothing better than try to shoot you down.
I look forward to continuing to read about you and A. :clapping:
I agree with you. Of all the photos of wives/fiancees/unsuspecting passerby RWs I've seen on this site, A. is the most beautiful. This is why the fact that she may actually end up spending several precious years of her youth with Billy (the reasons for that is a different topic) makes me cringe....
Billy, you live in the Seattle area right? So do I. I hope that someday when your A and my Lena arrives we can all get together for dinner or something. I would look forward to meeting you and A. I admire that you have the courage and guts to come here and tell your story knowing full well that there will be plenty of jealous, spiteful and downright rude know-it-all people here who have nothing better than try to shoot you down.
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and that's what I have to say about that.
... This is why the fact that she may actually end up spending several precious years of her youth with Billy (the reasons for that is a different topic) makes me cringe....
In as much as I disagree with many of BillyB's ranting in this thread, if and when they set off in their relationship, I can only bid both of them well for the choice they made. Bottom line is, I wouldn't for a minute doubt that as cute as A is, BillyB wasn't the ONLY suitor she had. I'm certain she had many choices. But when all is said and done, she chose BillyB.
K-1 is approved and probably in Kiev now. It was mistakenly sent to the Consular in Tunisia. I will be at the interview with A. Unfortunately she will not be taking the same plane back home as I since the consulars website said it could take up to 10 days for a person to get a visa in hand after approval and they don't recommend buying tickets until visa is in hand.
She made her choice yes, but some may think that is as likely to be because he's an easy mark due to his planet sized ego and self-delusion rather than because he's "perfect husband material"
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I agree with you. Of all the photos of wives/fiancees/unsuspecting passerby RWs I've seen on this site, A. is the most beautiful. This is why the fact that she may actually end up spending several precious years of her youth with Billy (the reasons for that is a different topic) makes me cringe....
....In addition to the temptations of the life in the USA, what if somewhere along the road she plain and simple falls in love... not with Billy? Right now she is making acynicalrational choice. In future she can either remaincynicalrational, or fall in love outside of marriage and starts acting irrationally. If she remains rational - in USA she will have more choices to pick from, the choices that she does not have at the moment in Ukraine. What will keep her from saying "Paul is much more reliable and stable than Billy, and he is a better provider than Billy"? Or, if she falls head over hills with her classmate/colleague, and becomes irrational, what will keep her from leaving Billy and following her heart?
This is the second thing that I do not understand in this story (in addition to thinking process of A's mom): the flow of Billy's reasoning. Right now, Billy says, A. picks him because he can offer her more, than local boys can offer her. OK. I can understand that. Is he going to "compete" in the same manner with fellow Americans? Based on what Billy thinks that once he wonmom'sA's "i do" , it will remain that way indefinitely? In a way, A already succumbed to temptation of better life in USA, vs. her current level of live/less financially stable men. What will prevent her from succumbing to temptation to improve her life even further, with a richer/younger man?
I am not saying she will do it. I am merely asking why Billy thinks she will not do it. What will he offer to her to continuously keep her interested? 8)
....What if she were just completely butt rippin' fugly? If she were the homeliest creature from the cabbage patch, what would your opinion be? Do you think the responses in this thread would have been somewhat different?
Lots and lots and lots of differing perspectives (to use a gentle euphemism) in this topic.
I wonder - does ANYONE feel they can offer an *objective* summary? If so, please make the effort as I would be quite interested in reading a *balanced* perspective from someone who has followed the story closely. And yes, accuse me of being lazy because it would be accurate. For a variety of reasons I have not followed this story closely - only a snippet or two here and there - and I now do not wish to spend the time to wade through 50+ pages of posts - so if someone would be so kind as to offer the 'Cliff's Notes' version, I would be grateful.
- Dan
Lately the Antidate crowd has reinvaded the thread with their usual long, boring and troll like posts.
Lately the Antidate crowd has reinvaded the thread with their usual long, boring and troll like posts.
Dan-
Well I don’t know about objective, but I’ll give it a whirl:
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Billyb, who at one point or another was married to a Ukrainian woman and then divorced, has written to every available woman in the FSU, been engaged to one from Kazakhstan, been not engaged to one from Kazakhstan, traveled extensively in the FSU and has generously taken the time to write about those travels and experiences has now met and is engaged to a Ukrainian women.
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“A” was 18 at the time that she and Billy met. Billy is in his early 40s. This age difference has completely enraged and unhinged several of the members here and caused them to write all kinds of ridiculous things.
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Billy continues to share his story while occasionally throwing a little gasoline on the self righteous hot heads resulting in increasingly fiery and stupid replies.
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Lately the Antidate crowd has reinvaded the thread with their usual long, boring and troll like posts.
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GOB, the tequila fueled angry guy has been replaced by Ade, the Norwegian angry guy.
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Your crazy arsed moderator continues to make outrageous statements about things she knows nothing about including accusing Billy of wanting to groom her children for child abuse (how do you spell yuck again?). As an aside, maybe someday you can tell us what possible interest a Western woman has in any of this. Either that or just send her a new tinfoil hat. Might make those pesky voices go away.
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A’s interview is soon in Kyiv. Billy will be there but visa issuance is slow so A will not be returning with Billy on that trip.
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I think that about sums it up. Hope it was objective enough.
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Meanwhile, most of us are just glad that Billy continues to share his story and hope that all goes well for him and A at the interview and in the future. . .
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agree on all accounts. :)
In addition to the temptations of the life in the USA, what if somewhere along the road she plain and simple falls in love... not with Billy? Right now she is making acynicalrational choice. In future she can either remaincynicalrational, or fall in love outside of marriage and starts acting irrationally. If she remains rational - in USA she will have more choices to pick from, the choices that she does not have at the moment in Ukraine. What will keep her from saying "Paul is much more reliable and stable than Billy, and he is a better provider than Billy"? Or, if she falls head over hills with her classmate/colleague, and becomes irrational, what will keep her from leaving Billy and following her heart?
This is the second thing that I do not understand in this story (in addition to thinking process of A's mom): the flow of Billy's reasoning. Right now, Billy says, A. picks him because he can offer her more, than local boys can offer her. OK. I can understand that. Is he going to "compete" in the same manner with fellow Americans? Based on what Billy thinks that once he wonmom'sA's "i do" , it will remain that way indefinitely? In a way, A already succumbed to temptation of better life in USA, vs. her current level of live/less financially stable men. What will prevent her from succumbing to temptation to improve her life even further, with a richer/younger man?
I am not saying she will do it. I am merely asking why Billy thinks she will not do it. What will he offer to her to continuously keep her interested? 8)
Lately the Antidate crowd has reinvaded the thread with their usual long, boring and troll like posts.
Your crazy arsed moderator continues to make outrageous statements ...
Dan-
Well I don’t know about objective, but I’ll give it a whirl:
“A” was 18 at the time that she and Billy met. Billy is in his early 40s. This age difference has completely enraged and unhinged several of the members here and caused them to write all kinds of ridiculous things.
GOB, the tequila fueled angry guy has been replaced by Ade, the Norwegian angry guy.
Both use lots of emoticons though which somehow makes it OK.
Your crazy arsed moderator continues to make outrageous statements about things she knows nothing about including accusing Billy of wanting to groom her children for child abuse (how do you spell yuck again?). As an aside, maybe someday you can tell us what possible interest a Western woman has in any of this. Either that or just send her a new tinfoil hat. Might make those pesky voices go away.
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I think what's very interesting to note in this saga is the struggle of decent folks injecting conventional standards in an otherwise uncoventional sub-culture of the MOB. Conventionality has no place in the MOB, IMO. At least not yet....
What's "Antidate crowd"?
TAKE YOUR PICK
ANSWER 1.
The "Antidate" crowd are members of a forum for man hating Russian Women to vent their hatred of men, to give guidance to women who wish to fake domestic abuse cases in order to get citizenship, and to help women take advantage of sincere men who want only to have a happy married life. On several occassions they have gone in mass to RW forums and spit out vile comments that disrupted the flow of the discussions.
ANSWER 2.
The "Antidate" crowd are members of a forum designed to help women cope with the problems they face when they marry the wrong man which can happen so easily in this venture. It is a place for them to expose men who have evil intentions and to share the problems and difficulties in life abroad and to give support and help to those in need. In the past they have sometimes joined forums for AM and tried to make the discussions more objective by giving the other viewpoint and a woman's perspective on the situations being discussed.
Now we are on the first real interesting (to me) subtopic of the thread. I'm curious as to why her physical appearance makes such a difference? What if she were just completely butt rippin' fugly? If she were the homeliest creature from the cabbage patch, what would your opinion be? Do you think the responses in this thread would have been somewhat different?
TAKE YOUR PICK
ANSWER 1.
The "Antidate" crowd are members of a forum for man hating Russian Women to vent their hatred of men, to give guidance to women who wish to fake domestic abuse cases in order to get citizenship, and to help women take advantage of sincere men who want only to have a happy married life. On several occassions they have gone in mass to RW forums and spit out vile comments that disrupted the flow of the discussions.
ANSWER 2.
The "Antidate" crowd are members of a forum designed to help women cope with the problems they face when they marry the wrong man which can happen so easily in this venture. It is a place for them to expose men who have evil intentions and to share the problems and difficulties in life abroad and to give support and help to those in need. In the past they have sometimes joined forums for AM and tried to make the discussions more objective by giving the other viewpoint and a woman's perspective on the situations being discussed.
Dunno pitbull, I'll give you the benefit of doubt you are not a mean person, but that wasn't very nice, IMO...
I think what's very interesting to note in this saga is the struggle of decent folks injecting conventional standards in an otherwise uncoventional sub-culture of the MOB. Conventionality has no place in the MOB, IMO. At least not yet....
In as much as I disagree with many of BillyB's ranting in this thread, if and when they set off in their relationship, I can only bid both of them well for the choice they made. Bottom line is, I wouldn't for a minute doubt that as cute as A is, BillyB wasn't the ONLY suitor she had. I'm certain she had many choices. But when all is said and done, she chose BillyB.
I believe that there are so many different situations as to whether a woman works or doesn't.
However I don't agree that to work or not to work should be up to a woman. It should be up to what would be best for the family in given circumstances. Both husband and wife should very well understand the consequences of this decision for the family.
Personally I believe in equal partnership. I do not believe it is fare to have the man bear 100% financial responsibility for the well-being of the family. This is too stressful ans risky and getting less and less possible with the state of economy.
Anyone can stay home and be a "homemaker". This is basically unskilled routine that doesn't require education or training. On the other hand how many "professional homemaker wives" can step up and support the family in case the working husband loses his job/becomes sick etc.? Also fatherhood is as important as motherhood. A father cannot be pregnant, give birth and breastfeed. He can do everything else as well or better than a mother.
I really don't believe in "traditional" women's and men's roles in contemporary society. Both should be able to step up the plate big way. Family is a team effort and it is crucial that both partners are flexible.
Sheeesh Dave, LOL! Are you saying Fuglies' youth does not have youthful precious years (careful now, 'cause I'm ugly as they come)?
:D
But what's in it for her? With her looks and supposedly great personality she doesn't have to compromise, she can have it all.
A very homely girl is ususally forced to compromise.
Here, I can see how Bill is getting an amazing deal with A. But what's in it for her? With her looks and supposedly great personality she doesn't have to compromise, she can have it all. There is a not very pretty decsription for this in Russian - "просрать" your chances.
This forum would be a heck of a lot easier to read if the ignore button was brought back.............Yes, but then some people wouldn't have anyone left to talk to.
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So back to the question posed above - have I missed anything significant in terms of polarizing behaviors?
- Dan
....18 years at time of meeting
Have I missed anything significant?
This forum would be a heck of a lot easier to read if the ignore button was brought back.............
Yes, very interesting that the OP was "careful" not to[edit]meet her until she was barely legal (18). :rolleyes:
Yes, in GOB's mind the most significant fact.
The lewd and lascivious behavior of a grown man (40) contacting a 16/17 yo girl on the internet to be "friends".
GOB
Rick,
I am going to remind you of your commitment to abstain. You have repeatedly demonstrated the abject inability to control your responses in this topic in particular.
I am further going to edit your post to remove the caustic sarcasm.
Finally, I am going to offer the observation that you are making moral judgments and using terms in doing so that are intentionally incendiary. The allegation of "lewd and lascivious behavior" is unsupported by the facts as presented here. Have you bothered to look at the definition - particularly in a legal context?
- Dan
So back to the question posed above - have I missed anything significant in terms of polarizing behaviors?
Besides GOBs obvious use of artistic license, he was right about one thing; you seemed to overlook the fact that BillyB did contact a minor. Now, say or think what you like but I personally do not believe Billy contacted a 16 or 17 year old girl for the sole purpose of chatting about her Barbie dolls.
Besides GOBs obvious use of artistic license, he was right about one thing; you seemed to overlook the fact that BillyB did contact a minor. Now, say or think what you like but I personally do not believe Billy contacted a 16 or 17 year old girl for the sole purpose of chatting about her Barbie dolls.
Ade,
She may have been a minor in the US, but within the age of consent in hers and even yours.
Don't try to pull legal stuff on Billy.. It does not apply.
I'd object less about him having sex with a 16 year old than marriage, believe it or not.
Rick - you have a 'pass' to participate in this debate SANS your typical caustic sarcasm - but feel free to make your points directly and succinctly.
Ade,
She may have been a minor in the US, but within the age of consent in hers and even yours.
Don't try to pull legal stuff on Billy.. It does not apply.
I'd object less about him having sex with a 16 year old than marriage, believe it or not.
However, the age of consent is 18 years where the sexual activity "exploits" the young person -- when it involves prostitution, pornography or occurs in a relationship of authority, trust or dependency (e.g., with a teacher, coach or babysitter). Sexual activity can also be considered exploitative based on the nature and circumstances of the relationship, e.g., the young person's age, the age difference between the young person and their partner, how the relationship developed (quickly, secretly, or over the Internet) and how the partner may have controlled or influenced the young person.
No, I am not overlooking it. I may not be fully informed just yet, but from what has been offered it seems there is no clarity as to her age when they first began communicating. Some have said it was 17 and others surmise it was 16. It does seem clear she was 18 at the time of their first meeting. To get one's knickers in a twist over her age at the time of internet/telephone contact seems left to those whose moral compass points directly to 'OPPRESSION'. I mean, imagine trying to legislate/regulate when someone is able to make initial contact with another person. Oh wait! IMBRA already addressed that.
Let me ask something. Let's play out this moral indignation. Would we prohibit contact of any sort between men and women - or only men and/or women of a certain age - or is it only women of a certain age ?!?
Rick - you have a 'pass' to participate in this debate SANS your typical caustic sarcasm - but feel free to make your points directly and succinctly.
Back on-topic - I am, admittedly, still under-informed of the details and facts. I 'get it' that some folks feel nauseated at the idea that a 40-year-old man would seek contact with a 16-year-old girl for purposes of a romantic/sexual nature. It raises a number of questions for me that have probably been addressed in this topic, but suffice to say that I understand the reaction in general. To take it to the level of moral indignation and attendant condemnation is a leap I am not prepared to make - particularly since it is acknowledged that she was 18 before they ever met. How and what transpired in the time she was a minor is largely conjecture (or is it - was there something Billy said about that time in particular that you find so morally repugnant).
Returning to the question then - the three points I made as to polarizing behaviors. Are you disputing those, or clarifying one of them, or just what?
- Dan
At 17 she would still be considered a minor here. Yes, age of sexual consent is 16 but teens are not considered legal adults until 18 here or in the UK.
And yes, he didn't do anything illegal but I think that is besides the point. I have many issues with her age and I've mentioned most of them in the thread so I won't rehash them. I do wonder what your reaction would be if it were your 16 or 17 year old daughter that was the object of Billy's affections.
In Canada the age of consent depends on the nature of the relationship:
Source: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/dept-min/clp/faq.html (http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/dept-min/clp/faq.html)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ages_of_consent_in_Europe#Italy
The age of consent in Italy is 14 years, with a close-in-age exception that allows those aged 13 to engage in sexual activity with partners who are less than 3 years older. The age of consent rises to 16 if one of the participants has some kind of influence on the other (e.g. teacher, tutor, adoptive parent).[20] Not knowing the fact that the victim is underage is not a legal defence.[21] It is also illegal to perform sexual acts in the presence of a minor aged less than 14 with the intent of allowing the minor to witness the acts, even if they do not take an active part.[22]
This is about frankly discussing the issues, not least of which are the issues of exploitation.
And don't even believe for one minute that "A" was the first and only 16/17 yo that was contacted on the internet.
GOB
Ok Dan.
Not trying to get out of line here, BUT, IIRC you and your wife have a daughter...correct?
I would really like to be there (with a camera) the night you are sitting at the kitchen table with your family, (maybe your daughter is doing her High school homework?), suddenly you hear a knock at your front door. You go to open the door and there stands a 40 year old man with a paunch belly saying: "Hey, I m here to pick up your 16/17 year old daughter".
GOB
PS....BC JMO but there is nothing odd or abnormal about a 21 yo man dating your 17/18 yo daughter.
Although some may label this "morally repugnant" I tend to see it a little more pragmatically. You understand the concept of Child Grooming I guess? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming)
You understand that adolescents can be manipulated and exploited by authority figures? And you probably understand why there are certain checks and balances in place between children/adolescents and teachers, doctors and the like?
I think you are being a little melodramatic; this is not about oppression. It is about discouraging manipulative behaviour. It is about discouraging men from setting out to pursue relationships that will more than likely damage one or both parties; and I'm not talking of preventing them, this isn't about forcing people to do anything. This is about frankly discussing the issues, not least of which are the issues of exploitation.
And don't even believe for one minute that "A" was the first and only 16/17 yo that was contacted on the internet.
GOB
Although some may label this "morally repugnant" I tend to see it a little more pragmatically. You understand the concept of Child Grooming I guess? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Child_grooming)
You understand that adolescents can be manipulated and exploited by authority figures? And you probably understand why there are certain checks and balances in place between children/adolescents and teachers, doctors and the like?
I think you are being a little melodramatic; this is not about oppression. It is about discouraging manipulative behaviour. It is about discouraging men from setting out to pursue relationships that will more than likely damage one or both parties; and I'm not talking of preventing them, this isn't about forcing people to do anything. This is about frankly discussing the issues, not least of which are the issues of exploitation.
Facts NOT in evidence. It is exactly this sort of leap that strikes a nerve - with me anyway. Cite your facts to support your claim, or do not make the allegation.
- Dan
Fair enough. Use of the phrase "morally repugnant" was my word choice and not yours - and it is appropriate for you to correct me. FWIW, my use of that phrase emanated from my interpretation of the strength of some of the responses, yours included.
Re: Child Grooming. Actually, your reference to it is the first I have seen using those terms - though it makes definitional sense. Let me ask directly - are you alleging that BillyB was engaging in the act of "child grooming"?
Your quote: discouraging men from setting out to pursue relationships that will more than likely damage one or both parties.
Implicit within that quotation is the judgment that we know, or can know, which characteristics of relationships to identify so that we might be effective at discouraging them. Be specific as to those characteristics. I would like to see what the limitations would look like.
- Dan
The ignore feature remains available to you although it is not in the form of a "button" any longer. Just go to your "Profile" - look in the left frame for "Buddies/Ignore List" - find the link for "Edit Ignore List" and add whomever you wish to ignore.
While in your Profile be sure to look also at the Personal Messaging options which, if properly selected, will allow you to ignore the PMs sent by anyone in your Ignore list.
For that matter, while in your Profile just look around at the many configurable options available to you. You might stumble onto something you wish to make use of.
- Dan
As it refers to BillyB or in general terms?
This action to impugn someone's character is, IMO, a malicious and repugnant act. And in this instance, I know clearly why it hits a nerve with me having had more than a few people do exactly that sort of thing directed at me in the past. In fact, I have little doubt my ex-wife is engaging in just such behavior as we speak. It seems her favorite pastime.
- Dan
So, in a free society with the internet what is the solution to help you sleep better at night?
I'm not alleging anything, although it's of course a possibility. I'm also saying that adults contacting children to "chat" on the internet may have consequences. Perhaps even unintended consequences; it wouldn't be the first time a girl became infatuated with a father figure. Children and adolescents need to be protected from themselves and the rash decisions they make; as adults, it's up to us to do that. However, some men will deliberately (and sometimes unwittingly) exploit these tendencies in adolescents.
No, we cannot know absolutely. We can however, extrapolate from what we see around us, the cultural norms in their countries and the likely outcome. Yes, it's possible that this is a match made in heaven but is it likely? I think not. Further, for Billy to even hint that this situation is something that men should actively seek out is beyond unwise, at least if they want a long term marriage with an equal partner.
You may say that my rationale is based on lots of ifs, maybes and suppositions. Yes, and perhaps you are right but there are far more ifs and maybes in the counter argument.
To some extent - maybe to a large extent - it depends on your perspective at onset. SMS60 raised an excellent question. With focus on the phrase free society, what limits do we place on individual behaviors? While most sensible people would agree with you that we need to protect "children and adolescents" the definitional lines are not as clearly demarked as one would like, and the courts are rife with real life examples. What is the age of a "child" and when, exactly, do they graduate to being an "adolescent." Are they an "adolescent" until they become an "adult" at the age of 18? I can tell you that in the US most jurisdictions have some age guidelines pertaining to these sorts of things, but in all cases, a crime must have been committed before any issue is raised. At age 18 a person is fully entitled to the judgments and consequences of an adult and behaviors that would have been crimes at age 17 are no longer crimes as of their 18th birthday.
In this topic the effort has been made to draw a line of demarcation at the age of consent. That has proven to be woefully inadequate as some country's laws allow sex with very young persons - far younger than the girl Billy met. The US has some history with extra-terratorial enforcement of its laws pertaining to predatory sexual behavior by Americans overseas - but as I recall an 18 year old female does not meet the US statutes. When the effort to condemn Billy's behaviors fail on legal grounds, then it seems the effort turns to moral judgment. If not that, then what is the basis for condemnation?
And BTW - I remain curious as to the specifics of the limitations you would see imposed so as to discourage these types of relationships.
- Dan
In Canada the age of consent depends on the nature of the relationship:
Source: http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/dept-min/clp/faq.html (http://www.justice.gc.ca/eng/dept-min/clp/faq.html)
The US has some history with extra-terratorial enforcement of its laws pertaining to predatory sexual behavior by Americans overseas - but as I recall an 18 year old female does not meet the US statutes.
For the purposes of this law, illicit sexual conduct includes commercial sex with anyone under 18,[6] and non-commercial sex with persons under 16 when there is at least a four-year age difference or the person is under 12 years of age.[2][7][8][9]
Just a quick reply before my wife an I retire for the night.
You are again forgetting that contact was made when she was at most 17.
Take a look at Misha's post here;
Seems like a good limitations to me; I'm not sure but I think some/most European countries have something similar - too late to look it up now but I will check tomorrow.
pitbull has been sometimes blunt and to the point, and has the perspective of a mother (which like you said, we'll never quite actually have).
She posted something quite eloquent and telling a little over a year ago, which would also give a little insight into a) who she really is, and b) another reason she would see this relationship as potentially detrimental for "A"
But in reading one of BC's posted link upthread, it helped give light (presumption on my part) as to the intent behind pitbull's post (re: wasted precious years). I may well be wrong as she may have meant it to be something else but if I'm right, then I can't say I disagree with her in this context.
referenced link (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1303.msg35457#msg35457)
Billy, you live in the Seattle area right? So do I. I hope that someday when your A and my Lena arrives we can all get together for dinner or something.
....Promised my self not to post in this thread anymore but this is just so addictive. :-X :deadhorse:
I just think it's sad for a young beautiful girl to enter such unequal marriage. She has so many choices at her age. A young bright Ukrainian boy of similar age and from a good family is so much better prospect for her in all respects.
I just think it's sad for a young beautiful girl to enter such unequal marriage. She has so many choices at her age. A young bright Ukrainian boy of similar age and from a good family is so much better prospect for her in all respects.
Ths is just my humble opinion, of course I do not personally know Billy or A.
Promised my self not to post in this thread anymore but this is just so addictive. :-X :deadhorse:
"Unequal" because of the 22 year age difference - or unequal because of her lack of maturity - or unequal because of the economic differences - or ?
- Dan
What on earth IS equal in this marriage?
I think to me the biggest unequality is in their life/love experience and possible life choices. Billy has his life "sorted", he has a certain job, certain social status etc. She at this age is all future, she can be anything, anywhere and can have anything she wants. She is giving up her most amazing years to live a middle age life and the only benefit everyone can agree on is an American passport. I do not think it's worth it.
I knw Billy says that she recognise him as an amazing man. She would meet plenty of amazing men, at her age there are plenty aunmarried, no ties, with bright future.
:ROFL:
I give to you my post # 1,217, LOL!
I'm wondering maybe the difficulty in this saga is the fact BillyB is the apparent highest bidder?
In any way I think Billy is the most clever man in this thread. At least he is getting the girl. What do the rest of posters getting for their precious hours of life wasted reading and posting in this saga?
(Ranetka MUST go to bed now!)
She at this age is all future, she can be anything, anywhere and can have anything she wants.And maybe what she wants is to 'sit home', have children and be a 'traditional' housewife. Would you deny her that because it's not what you would have wanted at her age?
She is giving up her most amazing years to live a middle age life and the only benefit everyone can agree on is an American passport. I do not think it's worth it.Who is to say your early 20s are the 'most amazing years'? I had some good university years, probably better definitely more active than most people, but I can't say these were 'amazing'. I enjoyed my late 20s more, I had some great years in my 30s and the best years are still to come.
And maybe what she wants is to 'sit home', have children and be a 'traditional' housewife. Would you deny her that because it's not what you would have wanted at her age?Who is to say your early 20s are the 'most amazing years'? I had some good university years, probably better definitely more active than most people, but I can't say these were 'amazing'. I enjoyed my late 20s more, I had some great years in my 30s and the best years are still to come.
What is a 'middle age life' and what is she going to miss out on? Does good life end at marriage?
She can have all of it with a good man of her own age, there are plenty suitors for her, all of them unmarried, no ties, no children from first marriage, with bright future.
Please beggin you explain what do you mean?
According to Billy, he is on ebay.
What on earth IS equal in this marriage?
I think to me the biggest unequality is in their life/love experience and possible life choices. Billy has his life "sorted", he has a certain job, certain social status etc. She at this age is all future, she can be anything, anywhere and can have anything she wants. She is giving up her most amazing years to live a middle age life and the only benefit everyone can agree on is an American passport. I do not think it's worth it.
I knw Billy says that she recognise him as an amazing man. She would meet plenty of amazing men, at her age there are plenty aunmarried, no ties, with bright future.
So if she marries a man of her own age, all is well, but if she marries an older man she gives up her most amazing years? Please explain.
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Because she will have to shag 40 years old Jooky. Instead of doing it to 20 years old.
Who is to say your early 20s are the 'most amazing years'?
Ok, shagging a 40 year old = give up the most amazing years of your life. That's extremely shallow and silly. I expected a better response from you.
She can have all of it with a good man of her own age, there are plenty suitors for her, all of them unmarried, no ties, no children from first marriage, with bright future.
Yes, and for this reason divorce among young women getting married in Russia is non-existent ;) All young women will marry or will simply have boyfriends and will be blissfully happy.... Or, wait, does that only apply if the woman is attractive and somehow is more deserving ::)
No Misha as you very well know all Russian men are alcoholics and wife-beaters, the best choice for 18 yo is to marry 40 yo because when she is 25 no American divorcee will consider her anymore.
And yes, teenage years are only to be experienced once. And it's a shame to spend them looking after much older husband, cooking and cleaning.
things an 18 yo should do
Fortunately, I believe that the happiest and best years of your life can be at any stage of your life...
Fortunately, I believe that the happiest and best years of your life can be at any stage of your life...
As I said earlier IN MY OPINION that girl can do much better then Billy.
Jooky.
Of course I am projecting my own experience. As I said earlier IN MY OPINION that girl can do much better then Billy.
Of course I am looking at this situation through my own experience. Do you have daughters?
I don't have any children.
Sure, but 'better' in what way?
I don't understand a lot of peoples choices, but it doesn't bother me. What I don't understand in this thread is how some posters seem upset because this young lady isn't making the choices that they think she should make.
Insofar as the veiled disparagement directed toward Boethius,
I read the lines addressed to Boethius by Billy, and I read her response to them. My personal reaction to his posts was exactly the same as expressed by Boethius, I agree with everything she said, her choice of words, and style of message.
It is interesting how different people can read and understand the same message so differently.
Fortunately, I believe that the happiest and best years of your life can be at any stage of your life...
mies,
Just to be clear, the disparagement I was referencing was NOT coming from Billy - it was from SteveOR yesterday.
- Dan
Steve, I may question the objectivity of your summary but the entertainment value is excellent.
Sorry for being rude, I lost my patience. As you noticed I deleted my comment, she is only 18, a husband of her own age will grow up and mature with her; she would do the same things 18 yesrs old do - have lots of teenage frends, going out, flirt. Did she actually have a chance to discover what she wants? etc etc etc. It is things an 18 yo should do in our cultures. Instead it will be a marriage which "older" people have. As Billy obviously is going to be a head of the family and he knows how the family should run.
And yes, teenage years are only to be experienced once. And it's a shame to spend them looking after much older husband, cooking and cleaning.
No, I am really not forgetting her age at 17 when they first began communicating. I *am* reminded of the fact that no crime was committed - and that considers the Canadian reference you support. I am also reminded of the fact that you are not claiming "child grooming" was in play.
What does that leave?
- Dan
Time passes for all of us. In some respects it passes faster for women than for men. The amount of time that a women has to become a mother is surprisingly short. While a man can become a father over a much greater time span. So maybe having the opportunity to marry and have a family is one that can't easily be passed by. Even for an 18 year old woman who has that opportunity with a 40 something year old man.
I wouldn't worry too much about A. She will get a gainfully employed husband who appears from his posts here to have a history of treating women well and will probably work hard on the relationship. Does she loose some youth in the process? Sure. But the gains likely outweigh the loss. . .,
Now, if we could just get past that 16, 17 or 18 year old thing we'd be all set. I'm hoping that Billy will set the record straight in one of his next posts. How old was A when she was first contacted by Billy? How old was she when they first met? Hey this is really important stuff here folks and by golly we just gotta know! <Insert emoticon here for the benefit of the humor impaired>. . .
Misha, you the argument you are making, looks like you are supporting the point made by Ranetka.
Ranetka: The girl has beautiful and precious years of her youth, that she is about to waste on Billy.
Misha: She can still be happy after she turns 30, anddivorces Billytakes control over her life. No need to hurry, just wait 10 years.
And yes, I agree that in all probability there was nothing illegal taking place. However, it leaves the potential for exploitation. Some would argue, and I tend to agree, that the very nature of this relationship is nothing but exploitative.
What I would ask of you Dan, is what do you think about middle aged men using your forum to encourage others to pursue sexual relationships with 17 year old girls on the internet? Do you think it's a wise thing? Do you think that these relationships are likely to flourish? And yes, I know there are rare situations where they do and even some cultures where it is not uncommon - but we are talking Western men and FSUW here. Do you even think it's exploitative?
I'm curious because I would really like to know if I want to continue here; I certainly do not want to be associated with a forum that condones the exploitation of teenagers for the gratification of middle aged men.
There are three options IMHO:
1) if A.'s personality is strong enough - she will eventually develop into cynicalball-busting b-tchand bitter, but very egoistic woman, and will find in herself strength to abandon Billy, maybe will "pay him back" for his teaching services, possibly through divorce/court.
2) If A's personality isnt' strong enough, and is already conditioned by mom's domination, she will just smoothly transition to submitting to Billy, and will become another timid house mouse, passive aggressive and (utterly) unhappy. She will remain married to Billy, possibly for the rest of her life, and maybe eventually will be trained to think that she loves him.
and there is the range of other possibilities in between those extremes.
FWIW Dan, GOB misses Kievstar (your porn activity reference).
He was one interesting poster that I really enjoyed.
I slept on this last night and much like SJ I have a question to toss out at you.
Please take no offense.
I am only probing here. :D
There are acceptable "gray" areas in everybody's life.
I understand this.
At what specific age, would you as the Admin at RWD find it unacceptable to expouse on the exploits of dating a girl/woman in the FSU?
Not being nasty here...are we talking 15yo...14yo...?
Because right now we are discussing a young girl who was either in her late 16's or very early 17's.
The OP's timeline has been very fuzzy about this and he has been asked repeatedly in previous pages and has not yet answered this descrepancy that I am aware of.
There is one other thing that I wanted to mention.
Month's ago, when you were absent, one of the topics that was split away from this one (sorry I can't find it) evovled into a discussion about age again and one of the forum member's said something to the effect of : "I shagged a 15 yo last night and it was great! What are you getting your knickers in a knot about?" (words to that effect Dan).
The post was edited/removed by TG I think or maybe Daveman?
My point about mentioning this incident is.... unfortunately we have sicko's on RWD.
So doesn't there have to be a line of decency drawn somewhere in the sand??
GOB
Option 6. It's the MOB, thus, any/all of the above.
she is so flawless that she can easily be a photo-model for swimsuits or lingerie, or any other type of "model"/actress/TV-star etc. because her appearance is perfect.
Of all the photos of wives/fiancees/unsuspecting passerby RWs I've seen on this site, A. is the most beautiful.
Everyone wants to be 'THE Exception'.Unfortunately, that’s often very true. I suspect the junior partner of this relationship is no different. Many seem to forget that in their commentary, she is as responsible for her actions as is Billy, ultimately it’s “their” call. Will it work? Highly unlikely in the long term but again, it’s “their” call. There’s not as much age gap as between Turbo and..................................slap me.
Ade,
You are a very bright guy and quite passionate with some of your opinions. I respect your position on issues and on those occasions when we either do not agree or I am advocating an RWD principle that you do not fully support, I can count on you to offer thoughtful and thought-provoking posts.
This exchange is no different - and to be candid, it disappoints me that you would use your membership at RWD as a threat.
I'm curious because I would really like to know if I want to continue here; I certainly do not want to be associated with a forum that condones the exploitation of teenagers for the gratification of middle aged men.
Another member suggested he team up with a guy that is widely considered to be a sex tourist and posted a photo. Notably that person has Asian features. BillyB has been openly attacked in the past at RWD for his Asian ethnicity. A coincidence? Some may think so. I do not.
I have told the story many times of my best friend - a deeply devout Muslim man from Kuwait (quite different from my lineage and faith). RWD is perhaps the only significant activity in my life that I have not shared with him because of the bigotry that finds its way to our pages. I cringe when I read it - and yet, it *is* part of the 'human condition' and if within the bounds of the TOS it remains at RWD.
There are many, MANY topics and posts at RWD that I do not support - and in some of them I have made my feelings known. But far more important than my personal feelings is the question of whether the topics and posts are consistent with the tenets of the RWD Vision. That Vision is far more tolerant than me personally.
I have met a lot of different people in my life, from all walks and means. A few things I can say with certainty are as follows:
I have found that people who are honest with themselves and others are the most often the happiest.
People with the most to say are most often least secure or have hiden issues. (no matter how feverently they try to ram it down your throat)
It is difficult (but not impossible) to find someone who has never had a failed relationship in their life. I might add that I am quite sure there are not any who have never made a mistake (again regardless of the "ear full" one might hear to the contrary)
We have basically three different factions here in this thread. The first may or may not agree with BillyB and wish him and his A the best.
The second are those who are sure BillyB has broken some sort of law and want to see him brought to justice. ( I suggest for those in this catagory to call the authorities, as I don't think anyone here is going to arrest BillyB.)
The third are those who are either uncertain about, or don't believe BillB has broken any laws, but are just so darn certain he is totally immoral that they either want to change his mind (good luck with that one), or they want everyone else on the forum (or better yet the world) to know what a fine set of values they themselves have by way of their rants ( you guys are so molodiets, you should run for a political office).
In as far as age difference goes or at which age do people become flawless at making decisions, I have never seen any evidence that people reach a conclusive point in their lives, wherby they suddenly gain the ability to make all of the right decisions.? Have you? In fact I have met plenty of people who no matter how old they are have and never will be able to make any right decision (well almost, just exagerating for the purpose of drama). IMO it depends on the person('s) involved. I have seen young people with the common sense of a master and older people without a clue.
Good Luck to us all!
p.s. don't crucify me for spelling mistakes, I couldn't get the spell check to function. :P
Hiya Gylden!
Good to see you posting again. And then there is that 4th faction that could be a little bit of all the previous 3. Those being like me who believe 1) Billy is fooling himself 2) Good luck to him no matter how it works out 3) Doesn't believe there is a happy ending for Billy and he can't see the forest for the trees.
Many posters here see A as the victim. I see it quite differently. Billy is the victim albeit a willing one :D
Adrian, sounds like you have spent some time in counseling. In a way we are all "victims" of our upbringing/environment. But there comes a time in everyones life to accept who you are and get on with things. Mistakes will happen, it's best to learn from them. ;)
I have met a lot of different people in my life, from all walks and means. A few things I can say with certainty are as follows:
I have found that people who are honest with themselves and others are the most often the happiest.
People with the most to say are most often least secure or have hidden issues. (no matter how fervently they try to ram it down your throat)
It is difficult (but not impossible) to find someone who has never had a failed relationship in their life. I might add that I am quite sure there are not any who have never made a mistake (again regardless of the "ear full" one might hear to the contrary)
We have basically three different factions here in this thread. The first may or may not agree with BillyB and wish him and his A the best.
The second are those who are sure BillyB has broken some sort of law and want to see him brought to justice. ( I suggest for those in this category to call the authorities, as I don't think anyone here is going to arrest BillyB.)
The third are those who are either uncertain about, or don't believe BillB has broken any laws, but are just so darn certain he is totally immoral that they either want to change his mind (good luck with that one), or they want everyone else on the forum (or better yet the world) to know what a fine set of values they themselves have by way of their rants ( you guys are so molodiets, you should run for a political office).
In as far as age difference goes or at which age do people become flawless at making decisions, I have never seen any evidence that people reach a conclusive point in their lives, whereby they suddenly gain the ability to make all of the right decisions.? Have you? In fact I have met plenty of people who no matter how old they are have and never will be able to make any right decision (well almost, just exaggerating for the purpose of drama). IMO it depends on the person('s) involved. I have seen young people with the common sense of a master and older people without a clue.
Good Luck to us all!
p.s. don't crucify me for spelling mistakes, I couldn't get the spell check to function. :P
Actually, even if Billy is a mark, A is still a victim, probably of her mother if that's the case.
p.s. I was able to get the spell check to work and ran it against your post since you weren't able to. Minor changes.You missed one that a spell-checker cannot catch ;):
(again regardless of the "ear full" one might hear to the contrary)It's earful :D.
You missed one that a spell-checker cannot catch ;) :It's earful :D .
Sandro is quite the Cunni(ng-)lingu(i)s(t) :DThat's a suspicious accolade :-\ :D.
as far as I'm concerned, she's not at all sexy.
I am just curious Billy
If you don't give a damn what others think of you or your relationship(s), why do you spend so much time justifing and asserting your alpha maleness?
So I don't know what A sees in Billy, but it's her path to choose and I don't see that the path most followed is a better guarantee of her long term happiness.
Billy, you live in the Seattle area right?
Lots and lots and lots of differing perspectives (to use a gentle euphemism) in this topic.
I wonder - does ANYONE feel they can offer an *objective* summary? If so, please make the effort as I would be quite interested in reading a *balanced* perspective from someone who has followed the story closely. And yes, accuse me of being lazy because it would be accurate. For a variety of reasons I have not followed this story closely - only a snippet or two here and there - and I now do not wish to spend the time to wade through 50 pages of posts - so if someone would be so kind as to offer the 'Cliff's Notes' version, I would be grateful.
- Dan
One thing is for certain though at this point, 'A' will walk into a world with 'choices' she had no way of knowing can be available (easily) for her.
What will prevent her from succumbing to temptation to improve her life even further, with a richer/younger man?
I am not saying she will do it. I am merely asking why Billy thinks she will not do it. What will he offer to her to continuously keep her interested? 8)
And yes, I agree that in all probability there was nothing illegal taking place. However, it leaves the potential for exploitation. Some would argue, and I tend to agree, that the very nature of this relationship is nothing but exploitative.
What I would ask of you Dan, is what do you think about middle aged men using your forum to encourage others to pursue sexual relationships with 17 year old girls on the internet?
Do you think it's a wise thing? Do you think that these relationships are likely to flourish? And yes, I know there are rare situations where they do and even some cultures where it is not uncommon - but we are talking Western men and FSUW here. Do you even think it's exploitative?
I'm curious because I would really like to know if I want to continue here; I certainly do not want to be associated with a forum that condones the exploitation of teenagers for the gratification of middle aged men.
No actually, I've never had counselling or therapy. And yes, I fully agree that there comes a time when we must accept personal responsibility for our decisions and actions; at 16 or 17 though there is still a lot to be said about the influence of parents and upbringing . Even later in life, it's at least useful to understand how our upbringing can impact on our decision making abilities. There are good reasons why minors under 18 aren't tried as adults in a lot/most western countries. You can check out the research on the brains on teenagers if you are interested.
The only clearly defined line here is that there is nothing illegal having occurred. This is the only well defined line of the thread. To draw a line elsewhere gets into issues of morality definitions which is beyond the scope of the forum policies.
We don't know if Billy and A's early conversations were monitored by NBC's "To Catch a Predator" that Billy wouldn't be in shackles now :D
FP,
A presumption of innocence is in order. In any case it takes a complaint to set any legal action into motion. I don't see any reason at all to follow up on this aspect.
At the most one could say that it's a 'because I can' type thing.
No not really. Daveman made the presumption of innocents yet in the same breath declared this isn't about legalities. Tit for tat. I'll give the benefit of the doubt that all is legal but, we don't "know" that :D
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GQ, you did read most this thread but you failed to understand. RW who are young will have hundreds of men writing A simply because of her age. I was accused of that but that is not the reason I wrote her. RW who are beautiful will have hundreds of men writing her and that is the reason I initially write RW regardless of age. When A goes to the beach in Libya, she has many European men talking to her. When she goes to the restaurant in Ukraine, she has men coming up to asking her to dance. She shoots all those men down.
You don't think she knows her worth? She, her mom, her relatives, and her friends all probably told her she's beautiful.
You don't think she can do better?
She (k)now thinks she got the best man. EVERY man who has a gf or wife better hope their woman believes she got the best man.
No, not the same at all. When society becomes comfortable with condemnation on the basis of what *could* happen, there is no end to the innocents who will become victims of those who lodge allegations without evidence. There is a very good reason the basis for law in the US is that it is better for 10 guilty to go free than to wrongly incarcerate a single person.
- Dan
I see your point Dan but, I haven't condemned anyone. Just merely stating that there is as much room here for guilt as innocents. No one other than Billy, A and mother knows the content of the conversations or if all is above board. For a poster such as Daveman or myself to declare one way or the other is well, just plain wrong
Dave, this is merely an assumption on your part. "Likely" nothing illegal has occurred but that is beside the point. You, I or no other poster here knows what occurred between Billy and A. With that said, it is possible "something" illegal did occur. To speculate either way is pure conjecture.
We don't know if Billy and A's early conversations were monitored by NBC's "To Catch a Predator" that Billy wouldn't be in shackles now :D
I would look at it differently. You are correct that no one except the parties involved know what transpired. There has been no admission of wrongdoing (quite obviously) - and in spite of various efforts to identify relevant statutes that might have been violated, none have been found. It is, therefore, conjecture and speculation (at best) to assert ANY wrongdoing. In the absence of obvious wrongdoing, it is WRONG to accuse. That some may be suspicious of wrongdoing is one thing - but mere suspicion, particularly when the suspicions are borne solely of arguments based on *if* or *could*, is insufficient to justify accusation.
I really believe this is a fundamental tenet of a free society. The default position is innocence where there is an absence of evidence proving guilt. Admittedly society has become more accusatory and more willing to judge than it once was - as can be seen in the trends of legal decisions that at one time would not convict on the basis of circumstantial evidence. Still, when guilt is found, the legal standard is beyond a reasonable doubt. Clearly that standard has not been met, or even approached, in what we have seen in this topic.
- Dan
I haven't accused Billy of anything. I only caution Daveman of declaring innocents in the way of legalities. From the information provided, there is no way we can know that. Billy has admitted contact while she was 17 years old and his indication was contact earlier. So, yes there is "indication" of wrong doing as far as legalities go, granted based on what the conversations contained. We have no way of knowing.
That is a two way street. If one can guess on one's innocents, they can also guess on their guilt
Dave, this is merely an assumption on your part. "Likely" nothing illegal has occurred but that is beside the point.
We don't know if Billy and A's early conversations were monitored by NBC's "To Catch a Predator" that Billy wouldn't be in shackles now :D
I have a couple of photos of a lady that invited me to see her in Russia. I did not go and visit her because she didn't give me the attention I want through correspondence to prove to me she was truly "into me"..
If I believe a woman would fall into temptation to improve her life...why then A. is willing to marry you? what are her reasons? Isn't it because with you she will have a better life than on herself, or with her mom, or with some other man? I was under impression that you repeatedly spoke about this. But maybe I misunderstood you. Please, correct me if I am wrong, and tell what were her reasons if not the ones listed above.
Mark, I've seen a few Western men come to the forum and imply RW are strong in nature and hard to control as if it's an undesirable trait they possess.
Early in this thread I mentioned a woman behaves according to the man she's with. Man #1 says the RW is a biatch and doesn't listen to him. Man #2 says the RW wants equal rights and expects me to wash clothes and dishes half the time. Man #3 says the RW is sweet and will do anything he wants. Guess what? They are all talking about the same woman.
Do you think mafia types or strong men have problems with their women controlling them?
If a RW in my life tries to be the head of the home, I will tell her I can't sleep with a woman that dresses, talk, and acts like a man. I tell the women in my life beforehand if she doesn't like the way I think, don't be with me.
Early in this thread I mentioned a woman behaves according to the man she's with. Man #1 says the RW is a biatch and doesn't listen to him. Man #2 says the RW wants equal rights and expects me to wash clothes and dishes half the time. Man #3 says the RW is sweet and will do anything he wants. Guess what? They are all talking about the same woman.
That's an incredibly condescending attitude -- it indicates that the woman in question has no personality of her own, but rather morphs into a whatever the man expects her to be.
That's an incredibly condescending attitude -- it indicates that the woman in question has no personality of her own, but rather morphs into a whatever the man expects her to be.
When everyone tells me I'm doing something stupid, I don't take it as a sign that I'm smarter than everyone else.was one of those types. :P
Hire an investigator.
When everyone tells me I'm doing something stupid, I don't take it as a sign that I'm smarter than everyone else.
was one of those types. :P
Christofer Columbus
The truth is that Columbus was bitter and enraged the rest of his life if anyone even suggested that he hadn't landed in India. He had failed and even though everyone now knew what he discovered, he could never admit it even to himself.
Q.E.D.
Extend that to relationships and take for example disaster stories we've read on this board, where a push over guy is treated like a mule by a wife who is insulting and rude (or worse) to him. This same woman can cheat with a different guy who is not a push over and she will treat this lover with kindness.
I don't think that's what he's saying at all. What he is describing is very common.
Take for example a hot chick that goes to night clubs. If some dorky guy approaches her with a cheesy pick up line, likely she'll reject him and act like a 'stuck up bitch'. A charismatic guy approaches her and he gets a very different reaction.
Extend that to relationships and take for example disaster stories we've read on this board, where a push over guy is treated like a mule by a wife who is insulting and rude (or worse) to him. This same woman can cheat with a different guy who is not a push over and she will treat this lover with kindness.
Billy is specifically talking about strength...read the rest of what he wrote in the quoted passage...or anything else he has written for that matter. He's talking about how a strong man can make his woman into anything he wants.
He's talking about how a strong man can make his woman into anything he wants.
Really? Because it looks to me that this is exactly what he is saying...
I don't think that's what he's saying at all. What he is describing is very common.
Early in this thread I mentioned a woman behaves according to the man she's with..
Do you think mafia types or strong men have problems with their women controlling them? No... They make all the right decisions. Their women are happy...
This same woman can cheat with a different guy who is not a push over and she will treat this lover with kindness.
[A Woman] behaves different towards men based on how they act and how much or little she respects them.
I don't understand your point...???
[SARCASM] Well, that's a news flash, isn't it? You mean to tell me that women behave differently depending on how they are treated by the man she is with? [/SARCASM]
Interesting that he compares himself and his approach to that of a Russian Mafia guy, don't you think?
being an authoritarian does not mean you will end up with some meek and submissive wife.
And if I treated my wife like a Russian Mafia made man, I would have been single years ago...
I think you are confusing the reasons.
He will act as a push-over with a woman whom he cannot keep otherwise, the type of woman for whom he cannot find substitute easily.
Whereas "the other guy" can have a bunch of women of a "preferred type" because of his characteristics (age, attractiveness, skills, income etc).
Woman too, can be a b-tch with a guy who isn't interesting/attractive to her, but be a push-over with a guy whom she wants badly.
But to make an assumption that if the guy acts like b-tch, this automatically makes him very attractive for any woman and she completely submits to him - that's an overstatement.
The woman gets a vote in the relationship. It isn't simply a matter of how the man behaves. She has expectations and wants and needs and she will express these one way or the other. If you are so insecure as an individual that you must be the boss no matter what, good luck finding someone who wants to put up with you for the rest of you life.
I have found that people who are honest with themselves and others are the most often the happiest.
In any way I think Billy is the most clever man in this thread. At least he is getting the girl.
This will ruin my reputation, but I have to say this:
OMG, Billy!! A. is so beautiful I would do her. :P
For those of you who worry I contact young girls, I'm willing to bet I'm less perverted than you are. It's one of the reasons I can attract those and all women and you can't.
I have no problem telling my story because I have nothing to be ashamed of and I'm very happy.
Some people don't approve of my message. I don't think they understand my message. I'm not promoting men to look for young and/or beautiful women but family oriented women who have great personalities and character. One way to catch those women is to improve oneself. Anybody disagree? Any man who is not getting the results I'm getting need to re-evaluate the way you communicate and behave around women.
Some think I got to be married to talk results. I could've been married many times. Every woman that was in a relationship with me, long term or marriage wanted me back and was crying when asking me to take them back. Marriage is not success. Being happy in marriage is. I am happier as a single man more than most men who are married. I will be even happier when I'm married. Being happier married over being single can only be accomplished with a good woman.
Thank you Ranetka. I don't expect everyone to understand how I do it but I get the girl and I can continue to keep getting the girl.
Some of you may not understand how difficult it is to start a thread like this. Any man or woman is free to start talking about their dating life and end up with a man or woman that will blow people away.not only do I have confidence, I know I can do it.
I don't think A is out of my league. I know what I have to offer women and it is appealing to them. Good manners/behavior, intelligence, tolerance, kindness, strength, gentleness, and good temperment. That is one of the secrets to my success. It doesn't matter if some of the ladies here don't like me, my way of thinking or the way I think a man and woman should behave in marriage. I only need to win over 10% of the ladies and I'm a very busy man.
Results is all that matters. Throw whatever you want at me but if you're not happily talking about your own results because the truth hurts, then you got bigger issues than I. If a guy or gal wants to beat me, don't put me down, they can start talking about their life putting it next to mine and let others judge. I said earlier more and more men are going to want what I'm having as I talk about A's behavior and character. Considering the amount of men who are unsure of the woman their in a relationship with or dating, they are probably happy to read and compare what I'm getting to what they're experiencing. This endeavor doesn't have to be a miserable experience for men or women.
Jumper,(http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q203/aj277/AJat_comp.jpg)
You hit the nail square on the head on all counts.
Not bad at all... Keep wearing that helmet!
As one can see from past photos, A likes to wear dresses and change her hair style a little. I asked her to promise me she'll keep her hair long, continue to wear dresses instead of tight jeans all the time and continue to wear fishnet stockings. She will grant me my wish. ;)
This will ruin my reputation, but I have to say this:
OMG, Billy!! A. is so beautiful I would do her. :P
However ,I do think how you deliver the message leaves people scratching their heads though?
You've had the same ups, downs ,and failures as everyone else,
Does it ever occur to you that a reasonable percent of the men and women here feel their spouses are absolutely the best?
You've chosen a self improvement attitude and general method of trying to be a quality individual that has a lot of merit,,
Smart girl :) Fishnet stockings are great as they should be good even with a business suit and open toe shoes in summer. Make sure Billy that you get her a Wolford fishnet stay ups ;)
The only thing that disappoints me is you would prefer A over me. :( Maybe you would prefer both of us? Just send me your answer in a PM and I will be discreet about it. ;)
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Your behavior as a man will influence the behavior of the ladies..
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+1
Git R Dun! I don't care who you are, that'sfunnytrue right there now...
I would like to hear from those guys what is so special about their wives and how much they love them. Nothing. I hear lots of praise from men who write trip reports how wonderful their RW they just met is. Within marriage the praise should continue after the honeymoon is over. If it doesn't, there are problems that need to be addressed.
I like the fact she's trying to earn my trust instead of taking the money I send for granted.
I purposely delived some of my message strong to show you something about RW yet you failed to see....failed to see it's okay to be strong and still be respected and loved.
I sometimes invited my ex Ukrianian wife's sister and husband to restaurants and cinema but the husband would always refuse going to the cinema although his wife's expression would be happy to go. I told my ex that her sister doesn't get to do many fun things and her husband always makes the decisions. My ex said that he Fukcs her good every night and she's happy with the marriage.
...I sometimes invited my ex Ukrianian wife's sister and husband to restaurants and cinema but the husband would always refuse going to the cinema although his wife's expression would be happy to go. I told my ex that her sister doesn't get to do many fun things and her husband always makes the decisions. My ex said that he Fukcs her good every night and she's happy with the marriage.
LOL AJ-
This thread has certainly gotten you hooked, buddy! Apparently, it has more wall/head-banging moments than you ever experienced on any of your circuit motocross experiences, yah?
That picture you posted is pretty stiff, man. How much air did you get in that? My brothers got heavily into dirt bikes and for some reason I never caught that bug. I tried it at Joshua Tree/29 Palms with them one weekend and I can see where this can be so much fun and awesome, but I neither have the cajones or the patience to pack-up and go somewhere to get down and dirty, you know...oh well. They're Harley riders, too so maybe that's the key.
Anyway, as for Billy (fake profiles? Really?), I like it when he post his thoughts actually. Downright entertaining. Some are pretty hilarious! Take for instance what you quoted.....
Maybe it's just me, but I find this funny, and well, a bit telling (?). The fact Billy's ex gave some pretty candid summation as to why her sis is STILL happily married - and she's not - is rather like a subtle hint-hint, know what I mean?.... :P ;)
Anyway, at least let's hope she saw a lot of good movies if nothing else, eh?
Billy will be fine. I'm glad he's getting his girl.
...That photo is playing around a few years ago in an area
that was open then, but is now closed to off road riding. It's in your general area, basically a bit east of the inland empire, a bit north east of Corona(smells like chickens) but not as far west as redlands..or indio. I was hucking some step-up a few times, and a friend i hadnt seen in years showed up ,I was surprised to ssdee him there and actually just waving hello, dint know he took the photo..but it became a funny shot. :) veeeeeery cheezy by jump or stunt standards lol.
If I had to take a stab at it AJ, my money's on Moreno Valley, maybe Norco. Glen Helen (http://www.google.com/search?q=glen+helen&hl=en&rls=com.microsoft:en-us:IE-Address&rlz=1I7ADRA_enUS441&prmd=imvns&tbm=isch&tbo=u&source=univ&sa=X&ei=PXpzTsjxH82ksQLxs4mMBQ&ved=0CGcQsAQ&biw=1920&bih=822) (off I-15 heading towards Mtn High/Vegas) host full-blown Motocross, Bikes and Buggies, I think 2x every year IINM. But the general area you mentioned, all the way down to Temecula bred a lot of awesome USA top-riders, man.
Lastly, yes, I agree with you about 'confident men' not having to deal with secret profiles. There's an obvious contradiction there...But that's just me...
Then you'll just have to accept that other married guys around here are doing quite ok and have loving relationships. There is no mandate for anyone to go to the TMI levels you seem to need or require of others.
Then you'll just have to accept that other married guys around here are doing quite ok and have loving relationships.
As I acknowledged prior, I think you've given some decent general advice, peppered with a lot of oddity and contradictory actions.
as small example:
Truly confident men don't make fake profiles billy. :rolleyes2:
Calculatingor insecureones might.
Lets see....
The confident, strong,and self assured man ,carefully crafted a secret profile, to check on his romantic interests reponces to other men..
funny it just doesn't seem to fit ?
I wonder has it occured to anyone 'the wise man doubts often, and changes his mind; the fool is obstinate, and doubts not; he knows all things but his own ignorance.’ Just wonderin'............... :-\
he speaks about "controlling" her!In the years between my last and current relationship, I got dates with over 50 women. I got 2nd dates and so on with more than 45. I like to believe that my behavior and character is what won those ladies over. Thank you all for letting me know I'm controlling, insecure, a tyrant, immoral and a pervert. Women must be stupid for being attracted to me. That is what you're saying.
He can rationalize all he wants,
A man comfortable in his own skin and place in life generally isn't lonely. Just how it is.
My wife is a special lady... but she was when I met her. She did not become special because I treated her with a strong hand and always let her know that I was "the man."
Billy has 2 proverbial options..............slim, and....well...the other one.
Anyway, who cares. He's a big boy, and I hope he has a great pre-nup.
Quote from: BC on 14 September 2011, 20:12:36QuoteThen you'll just have to accept that other married guys around here are doing quite ok and have loving relationships.
No I don't have to accept that. Your actions speak louder than words and if you're in a loving relationship and on the computer all the time then people are going to think you're neglecting your relationship for whatever reasons.
Should I accused you of foolishly rushing things?
With the lack of face to face time it's much more wise to check people's behavior and character that is so important to making a relationship work even if you use methods not ordinarily used.
Jumper, I know much more about my fiancee than you do your's because I am willing to do the hard tests to figure her out.
Because she can pass the test, everthing my A says carries more weight and that is the benefit I give to her because she is true.So you check up on her with a secret profile, and its also for her benefit, got it.
Everything I tell you about her personality, behavior and character is true.I simply doubt that it has much to do with your previous online checks.
You may be silent about your lady but you still carry more doubt about your woman than I because you just gave your trust to your woman. You didn't make her earn it.
Sure ! why not?
It's not a traditional relationship, and despite having several months more of actual face time than you and *A*,
I would say in the context of domestic relationships its *rushed*.
Recognizing something for what it actually is, instead of glossing over reality, is how i prefer to view things.
I carry absolutely zero doubts about my fiancee,she is absolutely an amazing woman, the best , and we will be married this friday.
I wonder if A will ever see this and other BillyB threads.. -or if it will remain some dark secret.I would be amazed and truly impressed if Billy were secure enough to disclose this thread to her... I would be even more amazed if her reaction was a positive one. ;D
I would be amazed and truly impressed if Billy were secure enough to disclose this thread to her... I would be even more amazed if her reaction was a positive one. ;D
I actually wouldn't doubt that Billy might do so in time?
Overall he has handled himself well as far as all the critism..
I also wouldn't be shocked if *A* was accepting of the thoughts billy has expressed here.
She is hardly a typical woman her age, and doesn't view things similarly to what the average 19 yo does?
Seems the root of some of the skepticism? and also the stated reason billy found her interesting enough to go and meet.
Someone wanting to exert that level of control that you describe isnt truly strong, its far more likely macho posturing ,covering insecurities, or simply selfisness.
I actually wouldn't doubt that Billy might do so in time?
Overall he has handled himself well as far as all the critism..
I also wouldn't be shocked if *A* was accepting of the thoughts billy has expressed here.
She is hardly a typical woman her age, and doesn't view things similarly to what the average 19 yo does?
Seems the root of some of the skepticism? and also the stated reason billy found her interesting enough to go and meet.
She is hardly a typical woman her age, and doesn't view things similarly to what the average 19 yo does?
Seems the root of some of the skepticism? and also the stated reason billy found her interesting enough to go and meet.
If she is anything close to Billy's description as the intelligent 19 year old he says she is, I expect she has already read this thread, don't you?
Think 'Clueless'.
Your lonesome butt might sit on a backhoe 8 or 10 or more hours a day but mine sits in front of a computer to bring home the bacon. My 'commute' to work involves getting out of bed, wandering to the kitchen for breakfast with the kids and then another 20 paces or so to the office with coffee in hand.
As to BillyB, I think you and him are at very different levels in too many things, morals included.
I wonder if A will ever see this and other BillyB threads.. -or if it will remain some dark secret.
And just remember that Billys girl's mother was so impressed with Billy, that she "pimped" her daughter to him!!!
Now I'm sure everyone knows A is inexperienced but that doesn't bother me. The way she studies cooking and her determination to be the best she can be as a wife is all I need to know. She is a giver and givers tend to please their partners better than the takers.
A will learn all mom knows and what I teach her.
I tell you what Billy, you don't half write some crap.Concise, to the point, and pretty damn accurate.
Sounds like defensive verbiage to me. Out of everything you typed, you still can't say anything special about your wife. It seems like the same pattern coming from all my critics. Can't say one thing positive about your woman's character, behavior, or even say the “L” word.
Don't you think it's better, classier, and gentleman like to talk what's special about your relationship than to put others down? You choose what you want to type and you chose to be combative. So here's the deal. You attack my relationship and I'll attack yours. I can hit hard and I'll also do it without attacking a guy's gf/wife. That's the big difference between some of you guys and I.
...Sperm is carcinogenic....
LOL! Priceless....
'plains the need to Spank the Monkey. Polish the Bishop, Choke the Snake, etc...I'm sure millions of young men of the '70s were thankful for Farrah Fawcett's all-time popular bikini poster for keeping them cancer-free, LOL!
Quote from: BillyB on Today at 07:17:43
...Sperm is carcinogenic....
LOL! Priceless....
'plains the need to Spank the Monkey. Polish the Bishop, Choke the Snake, etc...I'm sure millions of young men of the '70s were thankful for Farrah Fawcett's all-time popular bikini poster for keeping them cancer-free, LOL!
This is likely the reason why, even with the serious threat of going blind, I decided during my pubescent years to lay a hand in my own salvation. Quite eagerly, if I may add.
This is likely the reason why, even with the serious threat of going blind, I decided during my pubescent years to lay a hand in my own salvation. Quite eagerly, if I may add.
I thought it would be best to stop before I became blind, and just go to the point where I needed glasses.
Sperm is carcinogenic and a guy has to get rid of it on a regular basis. If you don't use it, you lose it. A few weeks ago A and I talked about cancer and when we got to breast cancer, I told her women need to have their breasts massaged to help reduce risk of cancer. Lesbians have a higher rate of ovarian cancer compared to hetrosexual females.
Heh
So, all along I thought that my emerging problem with vision wasn't with my eyes but that my arms were just too short to read... but apparently.. they just weren't... short .... enough...
This can greatly promote your sexual performance and longevity and most likely will give A great pleasure too.
How would it affect longevity?
Also, aren't licensed Urologists the only ones authorized to massage prostates?
Here, I can see how Bill is getting an amazing deal with A...Uh, well, he hasn't totally closed the deal yet. There will probably need to be a little less talk and a lot more action for his main attraction. Maybe start getting in the habit of writing shorter notes here and longer numbers in the checkbook.
I tell you what Billy, you don't half write some crap.
You'll train your own perfect little sex doll to perform exactly like you want yours to perform.
And even have her think this is exactly how sex should be (for at least several years, depending on how stupid she really is) (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/grin.gif)
I'll spell it out for you...I have never, ever heard of a parent
who promoted "screwing" their kid.
I hope you don't find out the real hard way. John Wayne would say..."Life is tough, real tough if you're stupid".
I still remember a couple years ago when I was last here, your diatribe about how wonderful you were at oral sex, and this is the very reason no sane woman could possibly resist you, and needed to come back like a hungry woman who was starving! Remember?
Anyway, best of luck.
knowledgeable and not-so-prudish people advise that strap-ons provide really good prostate massage.
Uh, well, he hasn't totally closed the deal yet.
Maybe start getting in the habit of writing shorter notes here and longer numbers in the checkbook.
After me and the ex wife split up, she came back after dating and told me I was the best. I was at my parents house and she showed up uninvited and asked to talk to me in a room. I tried to resist and fortunately my mom walked in the room at the time she went to her knees and unzipped my pants. I didn't want lust to rule the day.I guess that's a testament to your ex-wife and the guys she was able to date.
Some guys may not understand what I'm talking about but there are women out there that like to be submissive to their husbands. They enjoy it and believe that is the way things should be. I like submissive women. They are stronger than those who rebel. Most people can't give themselves to another totally and completely. That is why submissive women are strong.
Actually I feel A is going to be a good investment. I'll send her to college and she'll get a good job and bring in the money. I can retire and make babies!
Feel free to write your results anytime. Pound for pound, word for word, I'd betcha I'd get better results than you. If you don't have results, start a thread and in real time take people through your journey. If you have the confidence to end up with a woman that will amaze people, it shouldn't be a problem for you to start your own thread. If you'd listen to half my crap, you may be better off than where you're currently at.(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/file:///C:/Users/Bernie/AppData/Local/Temp/msohtml1/01/clip_image001.gif) Anyway...thanks for reading with interest... my crap.
ps The forum software here is shite. :o
And it's not the first time you mentioned this.
Good luck on the interview! Please keep us informed on how it went.
I'm just curious...you have actually met women and talked to them, yes? I would advise living with a tame lion or tiger for a bit first. Beautiful creatures that can be as gentle as kittens but can suddenly turn feral, pop out their claws and tear you to pieces. Lions and tigers can be pretty dangerous, too. (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/smiley.gif) Try practicing with one of those.
Great to hear about your upcoming interview. Good luck Billy! (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/Clapping.gif)
BillyB may be the best oral sex giving in the history of mankind?!?!? I, for one, will never know(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/smiley.gif)
For a non-immigrate visa at the US Embassy in Kyiv, I believe you schedule your own interview from their website. Does she have the police reports from Ukraine and other countries?
You can check the list to see what countries don't issue the police report.
After she turns 18 years old, she needs the adult passport.
Have you prepared her for the questions that she will be asked at the interview? How about the forms?
Sorry Billy, my bad. Hopefully one day I will find a teenage virgin and get sex advice from her mummy, and my exes will stop harassing me for more maintenance and give me surprise blowjobs instead.
Billy, good luck for A at the interview.
Vinny, I sincerely hope something happens in your life to where you're cured of your pessimism and negativity.
Why do some people gets upset to what happens in other people's lives especially if they're happy?
I think there are other more important issues for you to address than what goes on in my life.
Vinny,
There is very damn little I, or anyone, can do about your non-descript criticism. If you are interested in more than merely disparaging our venue, please make your MORE SPECIFIC comments in the appropriate forum found here -- http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=26.0 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?board=26.0).
- Dan
Can't believe this thread is still living - FRANKENSTEINrivardco,
Well, there are one million ways to skin a cat! Some people are more sexy and "hot" in life - and THAT is normal for them. Americans are a little (lot) more frigged than most everywhere else. AND, most of the AM that pursue this thing have a little (lot) white knight syndrome.
It is best for a man to be confident, and that includes sexually. BillyB may be the best oral sex giving in the history of mankind?!?!? I, for one, will never know :)
Best of luck BillyB ..
... clothes and high heals, get on the bed and bend over with her rear end facing him. That may get him excited.
Kettle, don't forget the kettle...lot's of green tea. You're a dirt guy so i know you're a coffee kind of guy...black.
Thanks Bud. I'm thinking a daily mutual massage might cure me though I'm not sure.
rivardco,
i just popped in too and was surprised that Billy's self indulgent novella is still on going. :rolleyes2: As far as his skill level, I found it always to be true that people with the highest skill levels do not need to brag to others for conformation.
I hope you get all you deserve.
Billy, those big boats (Lincolns) are very comfortable on the open highway, and there is a positive correlation between higher weight and less serious injury.
I think I happened to see exactly an image for your words, Billy. Although you'll need to do an upgrade from Victoria Secrets.
(http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lma7c0oKPb1qh2nplo1_500.jpg)
Also thank you for your kind words about disagreements we had in the past.
Is that your driveway Billy? Maybe steel toed boots would be better than high heels?
That photo is exactly what I was thinking about. The position she's in is one of many postitions a woman can put herself in to inspire and encourage her man to be the bull in the bedroom. Could you place an order for me for two of those outfits? One red and one black?
Now that you're getting yourself to a happy place I'm going to recommend you find a 22 yo girl like the one in the link below. She's good looking and with the hundreds of millions of dollars to her name, you can afford to throw away your morals against dating young ladies. I don't think she'll have a problem with a large age gap. her parents standing to the left and right of her don't.
http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/zH4DOMv4-hk/Form+Menswear+Launch/i0_RuNfiKwp/Petra+Ecclestone (http://www.zimbio.com/pictures/zH4DOMv4-hk/Form+Menswear+Launch/i0_RuNfiKwp/Petra+Ecclestone)
That photo is exactly what I was thinking about. The position she's in is one of many postitions a woman can put herself in to inspire and encourage her man to be the bull in the bedroom.
After reading some info at Visajourney I found out more and more people are not having much of an interview at all. The ladies aren't being asked questions. I guess if ones documents are in order, it's a done deal.
I think it a good idea that you are planning to attend the visa interview with A, which is allowed in Ukraine.
Back yard. On the job, I recommend everybody to wear high heels over steel toed boots. When heavy equipment run over steel toed boots, the steel in there will clamp down and pinch your toes off.
The steel toed boots pinching toes off is a myth.
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2005/11/episode_42_steel_toe_amputatio.html
HiTech
I think it a good idea that you are planning to attend the visa interview with A, which is allowed in Ukraine.
...
Now there's a tidbit I didn't know. I thought no petitioner was ever allowed to accompany the beneficiary to the interview (well, wait outside, yeah, but to be present during the actual interview process? had no idea that was ever possible)
the product name is "agent provocateur cendrillon playsuit." Unfortunately, it only comes in black color. In red they have this: http://www.agentprovocateur.com/autumn-winter-2011/alina.html (http://www.agentprovocateur.com/autumn-winter-2011/alina.html).
Slavica Ecclestone had moved out of the family home and filed for divorce.[37] The divorce was granted on 11 March 2009."
We just had out interview last week in Kyiv.
My wife and daughter just recently received their visas in Kyiv.
One woman almost passed out.
The steel toed boots pinching toes off is a myth.
http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2005/11/episode_42_steel_toe_amputatio.html (http://kwc.org/mythbusters/2005/11/episode_42_steel_toe_amputatio.html)
HiTech
Billy refers to those metal track vehicles.. I can see under certain circumstances that toes could be squished, but with or without, at that point toes are toast....
Thanks for the site. You are suprising me. What else do you know? ;)
Thank you for posting new photos. A looks gorgeous, as always.
Will someone explain what is going on here?
My posts are getting erased on other threads by Boethius and my latest one here just got deleted. Who deleted it the one in this thread? Boethius locked the thread below so I couldn't respond yet Faux Paws was allowed. to post I guess I was the only one locked out of the topic?
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14038.msg280114;topicseen#msg280114 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14038.msg280114;topicseen#msg280114)
Kids, control issues and anger managment. Think about it.
BTW, I am the one who locked the thread in question.
I understand that Daveman and I appreciate you letting everybody know your actions without hiding them BUT the topic was locked before you locked it. I made a post before you locked it and it said topic was locked. There has been a lot of games played with my posts and some of the posts were deleted within seconds of me posting them. I got me a cyber stalker following my every move. :rolleyes2:
If posters including moderators aren't happy with what I post, they shouldn't read and get themselves worked up. This has gotten to the point of people posting immature responses and deleting my posts. There are people that are happy to read what I type. Everyone needs to understand this isn't just their world.
I know of no one who gets worked up over your posts. When you break the TOS you will be warned/deleted/moderated. You should understand this isn't just your world. Lots of people, myself included are very happy to read what you write. The entertainment factor is through the roof. It's very rare to to find a poster so willing to make a fool of himself as you do.
It's very rare to to find a poster so willing to make a fool of himself as you do.
Your moderated status was, as was explained to you, the result of you trying to re-post removed posts.
Some people now reading probably don't know what happened recently but they may suspect I said something bad in Aloe's thread. Most people who participated in that thread insulted Aloe's husband including calling him a mother F'er. I criticized Aloe's husband too. I don't want to go around this forum worrying about a moderator who calls me names and then follows me around looking for an “Aha! I got you!!!” moment to slap me with a moderated/warning status to control what I write, where I write it, when I write it, and if I'm to write anything at all.
Stop blaming the world for you being yourself.Super MOD 3- I like that, I'm stealing it for future use.
Below in the link is an interesting article from 1955. Some men and women will get angry and/or laugh at it. Others will see it as pure wisdom. The women I attract see wisdom there and I wouldn't get involved with a woman that thinks otherwise.
http://j-walk.com/other/goodwife/index.htm (http://j-walk.com/other/goodwife/index.htm)
Your moderated status was, as was explained to you, the result of you trying to re-post removed posts.
If you repeat the offense, expect the same punishment.
Stop blaming the world for you being yourself.
Billy,
You may have your definition of submissive, but it is not the standard definition by far. The Oxford online dictionary defines it thus: "ready to conform to the authority or will of others; meekly obedient or passive". Where do you see unconditional love? You can easily be submissive and hate the other person.
Billy, I am assuming you have reviewed all those points with "A: :rules:
Obedient and passive can be behaviors associated with love. Love has many definitions. Don't have time to find that poem of definitions now because I got to go.
Don't have to, she's already told me how she is and she's basically adapted those rules without reading them. She takes care of me, I take care of her, life is good.
I'm off to Ukraine. See ya when I get back.
I understand some people's source of frustration with me because they still view me as a criminal child molester. Their occasional mention of my teen bride around the forum pretty much says it all.
So does the State of Washington.
By the State of Washington you have broken the law. Age of consent is 16 however age of consent is 18 when the predator is 60 months or older then the victim.
Obedient and passive can be behaviors associated with love. Love has many definitions. Don't have time to find that poem of definitions now because I got to go.
Nevertheless, given how this has unfolded, the chance of being prosecuted (even if it were illegal, and I am not stating it was, though I agree with those here who have found that contact morally reprehensible) is practically non existent.
...That is all I'll say on that issue and I hope everyone can sort it out on their end....
Okie Dokie,
I understand it's in management's or politician's best interest to discuss certain issues behind closed doors. Putting out things in public can make the situation turn into an ugly circus. Sometimes talking about some issues in the open is a good thing. Some people's actions are good because they are good people. Some people's actions are good ONLY because they know others are watching. One reason I believe politicians are better in free countries is because people are watching and there is accountability.
I like this forum and the owner Dan and I don't want to turn this into a mud slinging contest to trash the place but I'll say my piece and then I'll leave it alone. I hope those involved will make the experience at the forum more pleasurable and fairness is a good way to start.
Some people now reading probably don't know what happened recently but they may suspect I said something bad in Aloe's thread. Most people who participated in that thread insulted Aloe's husband including calling him a mother F'er. I criticized Aloe's husband too. I don't want to go around this forum worrying about a moderator who calls me names and then follows me around looking for an “Aha! I got you!!!” moment to slap me with a moderated/warning status to control what I write, where I write it, when I write it, and if I'm to write anything at all.
Moderators don't have to like me but apply the same moderating standards for all. I get the feeling some people try too hard to save the world from reading what I post. I'm still wondering who deleted one post in this thread that didn't violate ToS? This thread is out of Boethius's jurisdiction and I hope I wasn't tag teamed.
That is all I'll say on that issue and I hope everyone can sort it out on their end.
Hammer, no mod made a pronouncement on the legality of Billy's contact. Daveman said she is now of legal age.
Then perhaps you need to go back and reread this thread. On second thought, never mind. There was a reason why I had you on ignore and now you just reminded me. Thank you.
Because she doesn't agree with you?
No, because since I have been on this forum, I have seen what she is capable of doing as a Mod and I decided that anything she has to say here is of no interest to me. That is the purpose of ignore is it not? There are many people here who I do not agree with but I don't have them on ignore.
Then perhaps you need to go back and reread this thread. On second thought, never mind. There was a reason why I had you on ignore and now you just reminded me. Thank you.
No, because since I have been on this forum, I have seen what she is capable of doing as a Mod and I decided that anything she has to say here is of no interest to me. That is the purpose of ignore is it not? There are many people here who I do not agree with but I don't have them on ignore.
So does the State of Washington.
By the State of Washington you have broken the law. Age of consent is 16 however age of consent is 18 when the predator is 60 months or older then the victim.
Wow, this opens a lot of new lines of questions...
What's the punishment for non-compliance, Ravens? Do you know...?
Does it apply with submissive women? :P
It would be pretty interesting how this interview would actually be conducted. Someone better tell BillyB to omit transcripts that would show their correspondence started when she was 16... :o
Is this law called, The Elvis Presley Act of 1963? (Yes, I just made that up)
I don't know about WA, but here in Georgia, they take away your right to keep and bear sheep (or something like that)... in Alabama, the penalty includes goats too! Man, that's GOTTA be tough!
I don't know about the military, it could even be stricter.Under the UCMJ your are not an adult until your 18th birthday (unless you are enlisted). UCMJ does not recognize state law and specificly states that 18 is the age of consent for all parties.
Seriously though... what is the legal definition of immoral purpose? And, how would that relate to "searching for a wife"? It is strictly talk about sex?
I don't know about WA, but here in Georgia, they take away your right to keep and bear sheep (or something like that)... in Alabama, the penalty includes goats too! Man, that's GOTTA be tough!
I would hope the legislation would have defined "immoral." Otherwise, it is an ambiguous concept.
Morals are not regulated standards for conduct of what is right or wrong. They are beliefs for how one should behave.
Boethius's beliefs are such that she has called Billy "immoral" in multiple posts. I wonder what is her reasoning. Will this prevent BillyB from going to heaven?
Courts have also defined “immoral purpose” as used in the statute as referring to “sexual misconduct.”
immorality - the quality of not being in accord with standards of right or good conduct
I would hope the legislation would have defined "immoral." Otherwise, it is an ambiguous concept.
Morals are not regulated standards for conduct of what is right or wrong. They are beliefs for how one should behave.
Boethius's beliefs are such that she has called Billy "immoral" in multiple posts. I wonder what is her reasoning.
Will this prevent BillyB from going to heaven?
The only thing that a 19 year old can not do in the state of Washington and probably the other 49 states as well is consume alcohol.
...This thread was amusing at first, but now it has just become tedious.
It irrevelent at this point.
He stated that he contacted A when she was 16 or 17 (not sure of age)
There may have been correspondence when A was 17......
Here's the WA legislation I believe Ravens was referring to -
RCW 9.68a.090
Communication with minor for immoral purposes -
(1) Except as provided in subsection (2) of this section, a person who communicates with a minor for immoral purposes, or a person who communicates with someone the person believes to be a minor for immoral purposes, is guilty of a gross misdemeanor.
(2) A person who communicates with a minor for immoral purposes is guilty of a class C felony punishable according to chapter 9A.20 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.20) RCW if the person has previously been convicted under this section or of a felony sexual offense under chapter 9.68A (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9.68A), 9A.44 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.44), or 9A.64 (http://apps.leg.wa.gov/rcw/default.aspx?cite=9A.64) RCW or of any other felony sexual offense in this or any other state or if the person communicates with a minor or with someone the person believes to be a minor for immoral purposes through the sending of an electronic communication. (emphasis added)
[2006 c 139 § 1. Prior: 2003 c 53 § 42; 2003 c 26 § 1; 1989 c 32 § 7; 1986 c 319 § 2; 1984 c 262 § 8.]
My example of immorality would be AM sex tourists bedding desperate RW under the pretense of possible marriage.
Strange post Gator.
You "judge" SexTourist, Porno Pike and Albert to be immoral.
But yet BillyB (who contacts minor girls on the internet) is okie dokie? :rolleyes2:
How do you know that BillyB contacted her for a sexual relationship rather than for potential marriage. If a sexual relationship were his goal, he has failed and wasted much time. Instead, he pursues marriage.
...
My example of immorality would be AM sex tourists bedding desperate RW under the pretense of possible marriage. Those are my values, and you have your values.
Bear posted something interesting in another thread
http://www.turningpointservices.org/Domestic%20Violence%20-%20Power%20and%20Control%20Wheel.htm (http://www.turningpointservices.org/Domestic%20Violence%20-%20Power%20and%20Control%20Wheel.htm)
Not to say that this relationship is / will be abusive, but as it relates to this thread there are some similarities with Billy's 'being the man' theories especially when it comes to Privelege and Economic slices of the pie.
The source thread http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14034.msg280478#msg280478 (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=14034.msg280478#msg280478) is an interesting read, especially in combination with this one.
My view is that marriage is either an 'all in' or 'all out' deal.. the 'whole pie' if you will.
I can remember the first time my wife came in with the mail and started opening it. I had to think about that a bit and opted for accepting it.. after all she is my wife.
You are funny Boethius.
Unless you are quoted saying something VERBATIM, you will always deny saying or implying something very close to it.
Gator:
"I just do not see that BillyB initiated contact for the purposes of sex with a minor. To say he did is stretching the facts."
Boethius:
"I may be missing something, but I do not see where anyone posted that."
From earlier
Boethius:
"Gee, I don't know. A middle aged man [direct reference to Billy] contacting an underaged girl for a sexual relationship is, perhaps, completely acceptable in some circles, notwithstanding the fact there are laws against it, including in the state in which Billy resides. "
That sure sounds very, very similar to what Gator said.
...The moral of the story: if you want to find yourself a teenage sex-partner, don't become a priest, or else your actions will be deemed immoral....
From earlier
Boethius:
"Gee, I don't know. A middle aged man [direct reference to Billy] contacting an underaged girl for a sexual relationship is, perhaps, completely acceptable in some circles, notwithstanding the fact there are laws against it, including in the state in which Billy resides. "
That sure sounds very, very similar to what Gator said.
Gator, a question to you: if you had a son, and you knew that it is possible to marry same sex person, starting from what age of your son would you be OK with 40+ yo guys discussing sex with your son, because ... you know... maybe they also plan to marry him? :) [/l]
would it be any different if this happened to your daughter, not a son?
CanadaMan,
Nice try but you will never get an admission.
Even though it seems starkly evident, there must be something else that feeble minds such as mine and yours can not see nor ascertain.
It reminds me of trying to reason with a RW once her mind is set. Better to say "Darling, you are correct."
To humor myself, I admit to posting in a sequence that would lead to where we are.
Canadaman,
Keep in mind I am not making any assumptions or accusations directed at anyone but, please answer this question honestly? Have you contacted any underage girls for friendship?
And just for the record, if it will make you feel better (or worse), the only time I have contacted an underage girl for friendship was when I was underage myself. And that was a very long time ago. We are talking almost 40 years ago!
What is the purpose of your question FP? What are you trying to get at exactly?No I am not looking to smear you Canadaman and if I were, I wouldn't need your assistance. Why else would I preface such a question? It was a question meant for you. I merely wonder if you would help me to understand. It struck me as I read your post of Gator's and Boethuis's volley. Your particular statement to Boethuis seemed to infer (to me)that a man in his mid forties might contact an underaged girl for friendship. I was curious as to whether you had. If that wasn't what you were inferring, I withdraw my question.
If you truly had no "assumptions or accusations", why would you pose the question to me, specifically?
And just for the record, if it will make you feel better (or worse), the only time I have contacted an underage girl for friendship was when I was underage myself. And that was a very long time ago. We are talking almost 40 years ago!
Gator, you can also add my feeble mind to the list.
Dave was pretty clear I thought?
Dave was pretty clear I thought?
anyone listening?
BC you brought up some good stuff earlier..
Hope folks can stick to something similarly constructive..
it just
seems headed to closure on these single line tracks?
Jumper,
Sex always sells.
Yeah, maybe sex sells but once people run out of money, perhaps they'll tackle the topic you introduced. THAT would make quite an interesting discussion, IMO... and one of far greater value and potential enlightenment that the Jerry Springer frenzy du jour could possibly deliver..
It seems like A should have had her visa interview by now. Weeks ago, Billy said the file got sent to Kyiv. I am sure everyone is interested in the results.
Has anything been said about the wedding plans? Will any of A's family be attending?
Did her mother sew her wedding dress? Are they planning a church wedding?
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I'm off to Ukraine. See ya when I get back.
I don't know what the topic was that BC raised. Please put it in a new thread so that the discussion can begin.
That line was edited in by the conspiracy of the Dark Moderators who are currently holding BillyB in a medieval dungeon to cure him from his immorality.
While there was no actual mention of the interview... on page 62 (bwahahaha) .. BillyB made this statement at the end of a post...
So perhaps the next segment in the saga will contain the result of the interview. 8)
In the interim perhaps one of our more talented psychics will shorten the wait for information by giving the indication of the "bones", "sizzling blood patterns", or "Ouija board".
That line was edited in by the conspiracy of the Dark Moderators who are currently holding BillyB in a medieval dungeon to cure him from his immorality.
By the State of Washington you have broken the law. Age of consent is 16 however age of consent is 18 when the predator is 60 months or older then the victim.
I am not Mod3, nor did I place Billy in moderated status.
He was ashamed enough about it that he claimed he contacted her solely "for friendship".(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/rolleyes008.gif)
I have yet to see any definition of love that would include obedient and passive behaviors (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/undecided.gif)
If you understand that putting things out in public can turn a situation into an ugly circus, then why publicly announce this here?
A problem some have with your posting, and I have to concur with the sentiment here, is that you often pull spouses into the commentary... "go spend time with your wife", "you must not have a happy marriage", etc etc... which is absolutely meaningless and nothing more than fluff in a discussion.
your method still hasn't proved successful.
Billy has always bosted on these forums how he lays it all out to the ladies right away as to what he wants from them (including sex) from day one so that he is not wasting his time.
Billy posted that the mother initially told him she "wanted to kill him".
When you get a chance, read page 14 of this thread. There may have been correspondence when A was 17 but I don't think there was any contact.
Also, I remember from Billy's past adventures that he wrote to every available FSUW in a wide age range and corresponded with many of them on an ongoing basis. I don't remember the number of letters that he wrote but it was a large number. It's entirely possible that when writing to A he was also writing to many others and might have missed the age. I don't get the feeling that he has ever specifically targeted under aged people.
Anyway, go back and read page 14 of this thread before you tell me that I'm wrong. . .
She met several men in their 30s (she thought 20s were too young),
Why do't we go ahead and consider the topics of immorality, illegality, etc, closed for discussion here.
The dead horse is pretty much pulp.
And for the record, would you consider contacting an underage girl for friendship as within the scope of searching for a wife?
Billy has always been pretty good at telling his story and whether you all agree with him or not I'd kind of like to hear the rest of it. Hopefully without all the background noise. . .
My initial post in Aloe's thread that was moved was not off topic. My first post that was deleted was not a violation of ToS. The post in this thread that was deleted was not a violation of ToS. Nobody has yet to come forward to accept the credit for deleting a post of mine in this thread. For all I know someone has messed with this thread more than just one post.
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That is all I'll say on that issue and I hope everyone can sort it out on their end.
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After I get done with my trip report, I have a feeling the dead horse is going to get beat like never before.
I just wish the background noise was more of men talking about how wonderful their women are.
bzzzshhhhhhhgrrrreeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz[backgroundRadiation]
My wife is absolutely the most amazing, wonderful, intelligent, loving, and beautifully gorgeous woman I have ever known in my life. She's simply the best. In fact, she's better than "Wow, a V-8", or "Dude, a DELL", she even leaves a York Peppermint Patty in the friggin DUST... and *I* am truly the ManliestMan for winning the heart of the WomanliestWoman!!! Damn I'm, good... but she's even better... and *we* are perfection together....
bzzzshhhhhhhgrrrreeeezzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz[/backgroundRadiation]
My wife is absolutely the most amazing, wonderful, intelligent, loving, and beautifully gorgeous woman I have ever known in my life.
From what I gather, the majority of both men and women here are resistant to being submissive to each other.
In Aloe's thread many have recommended Aloe to take actions that is unbecoming a wife. A move towards independence and not towards strengthening her marriage.
From what I learn is many people have this philosophy when the marriage isn't ideal and that is to take a selfish stance for personal gain. I don't believe Aloe has given her all in the marriage. I suggest she do so and hopefully her immature husband learns from this and adjust. Until then any move toward independence is a move toward divorce.
See how easy that is folks? Actually I'm not worried about Dave. He rarely posts under the influence of alcohol or drugs and never bangs/destroys his keyboard in anger when responding to others. What's the secret Dave? You must be happy and utilizing some of those sexual tips I got from mom earlier? I got more for you.
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That's pretty much the secret. Being happy in life, relationships with others, and confident in myself to the point where I fully understand that words on a screen have only the important which I personally assign to them.. in other words.. I am the complete master of myself, my emotions, my actions and reactions. It's not that difficult, really. 8)
And you betcha.. I'll utilize any tips from anywhere about ANY subject, sex included, if they make sense and the utilization increases my enjoyment of life itself. Even the best can always improve to new and higher standards of greatness.. ;D So, toss 'em on out there...
Excellent start to the report.. keep it rolling when you have time... I am surprised though, that Mom came with A again... I may have missed something earlier in the thread, but is this because of religious beliefs that the two of you not be alone together in a "questionable circumstance" before marriage? Or something else?
See how easy that is folks? Actually I'm not worried about Dave. He rarely posts under the influence of alcohol or drugs and never bangs/destroys his keyboard in anger when responding to others. What's the secret Dave? You must be happy and utilizing some of those sexual tips I got from mom earlier? I got more for you.
yeap, it is easy! but this is your thread about your life experiences, not about the other posters commenting ;)
you onkly bring their life up, if thery have opinions about your ideals or actions.
i stated much the same as dave, about my fiancee/wife, minus the york peppermint patty, yet since i'm sometimes critical of your advice, you don't seem to think i'm as happy as Dave, or i'm naive in how the world works.
It's both ironic and amusing billy.
After machine gun kissing the long strong embrace I got from A at the airport I turn to hug mom and then shake the hand of my taxi driver who was also my apartment manager. A and mom stayed with me although they have relatives in Kiev.
We get to the apartment and I pass out some gifts. A likes Almond Roca candy so I bought her a few cans. She ate two pieces immediately and as she grabbed a third, mom grabbed it out of her hand and put it back in the can. Anybody see any similarity here compared to the “Bread Incident” in Manlooking's trip report? A was not upset and knows mom does things for the right reasons. Mom tells me it's going to be my job to make sure A doesn't eat too much candy.
I find expressing my thoughts on healthy eating, bread ,or candy ,should be adequete with another adult, they can make their very own decisions ,(just imagine) in their own best interest surely? and yes to include what they feel is in the best interest of the relationship?
If I'd need to tell them ,or physically close the container .. then it's a dynamic i wouldn't find the least bit attractive in a relationship.as a joke,or goofing around, would be one thing.
However, playing some parental role with an adult spouse, as a way of life, just seems odd to me.
Next morning A cooks breakfast for me. It was an omelet. I did not want to take the photo below but mom told me to. She thought it was funny. Everyday A would serve me food, clean my plate and table. The look on her face and attitude doing these things told me she didn't think it a boring chore but an expression of love.
Yes certainly seems normal enough billy, and I would think she enjoys doing things for you.
:)
You know it looks a lot like an omelete i'd prepare for my wife and son too? or that she might prepare for me or him as well.
While i respect a couple who has clearly defined roles, and understand thats's what you ,and presumably *A* prefers,
I just don't find it some requirement for a happy marriage.I simply enjoy cooking.. always have. I don't feel any less manly cooking breakfast inside, or grilling shaslik or a big manly slab of ribs outdoors.lol
As long as a couple can contribute happily in various ways they both appreciate each other for .. the actual division of duties can be clearly defined, or completely fluid and dynamic.
Your way is ok.. so are a million other ways.
Below in the bottom right corner of the photo is a plate of pistachios. Mom told me to eat them everyday. I wanted to ask why but I didn't because I was sure of the answer. I remember Gator mentioning his lady didn't want him to buy pistachios. Tell her to read the link below. One advantage of reading RWD is not only will you get tips to find a RW but you will become a better lover.
http://ezinearticles.com/?Male-Sexual-Health---For-Stronger-Eerections-and-Healthy-Heart-Eat-Pistachios!&id=547553 (http://ezinearticles.com/?Male-Sexual-Health---For-Stronger-Eerections-and-Healthy-Heart-Eat-Pistachios!&id=547553)
lol billy :)
could be her intent?
What about their high potassium content, maybe she was just worried about you having possible hypertension or blood pressure? they can be good for reducing that.
:)
anyway- just jousting a bit for fun,
thanks for the update and glad it well so far, for you both!
We get to the apartment and I pass out some gifts. A likes Almond Roca candy so I bought her a few cans. She ate two pieces immediately and as she grabbed a third, mom grabbed it out of her hand and put it back in the can.
Below in the bottom right corner of the photo is a plate of pistachios. Mom told me to eat them everyday. I wanted to ask why but I didn't because I was sure of the answer. I remember Gator mentioning his lady didn't want him to buy pistachios. Tell her to read the link below. One advantage of reading RWD is not only will you get tips to find a RW but you will become a better lover.
I know what you are saying. I have to do the same with my 9 yo son.
Lucky you having a doctor for a MIL.
Any other recommendations she gave you? Like strap ons? The pump? I wonder if it would be cheaper in Ukraine. After all many people save a fortune by going to dentist in Ukraine.
....I just wish the background noise was more of men talking about how wonderful their women are.
Billy, nothing I have ever read in any of your posts ever indicated that the submission would be mutual (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/lipsrsealed.gif) Everything you ever write is about you being the teacher and how you expect your wife to do as your "wisdom" dictates...
A healthy marriage takes the full participation of two people and that both respect the feelings and desires of the other. What Aloe is seeking has nothing to do with independence, rather to be treated with a modicum of fairness and to feel like she is loved from what I gather.
So, how long do you suggest that she wait? A year? Ten? When he is on his deathbed (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/evil.gif) What I can guarantee is that doing what you suggest (being "submissive" and being dependent) will certainly guarantee that he won't change (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/rolleyes.gif)
I am surprised though, that Mom came with A again... I may have missed something earlier in the thread, but is this because of religious beliefs that the two of you not be alone together in a "questionable circumstance" before marriage? Or something else?
I hope mom does not want to also verify that you have consummated the marriage!!! (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/crack_the_whip.gif)
this is your thread about your life experiences, not about the other posters commenting (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/wink.gif)
you onkly bring their life up, if thery have opinions about your ideals or actions. </blockquote>
yet since i'm sometimes critical of your advice, you don't seem to think i'm as happy as Dave, or i'm naive in how the world works.</blockquote>
I don't feel any less manly cooking breakfast inside, or grilling shaslik or a big manly slab of ribs outdoors. </blockquote>
Lucky you having a doctor for a MIL.
Eiiiyah! C'mon BillyB. Just because at times when I find myself alone and indulges myself with an occassional, harmless dose of flatulence, doesn't mean I do not hold my dearest dear to the dearest level of affection, yah know...
I submit myself to work to take care of her.
Those are some of the ways I'm being submissive and giving her my all.
If someone posts a MAN's responsibility is to fix the home and cars, support the family financially, keeping food on the table, buying the wife a car, family clothes, and making sure family has good education, most people here would agree and cheer that poster BUT if a poster here says, as I've done, it's a woman's responsibility to make sure the house is in order and do the laundry and dishes then some will label them a tyrant. Oh no! Those poor sweet women can't be responsible for those things but they fully deserve what a real MAN can provide?
Earlier in this thread I talked about a RW I dated who read a book that educates women. The book said along the lines of if you give a man microwave popcorn, he will be just as happy as if you put a meal in front of him that may have taken an hour to cook. She told me she used to cook nice meals for boyfriends and now just serve them popcorn and the book is right, men are happy.
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Who are you trying to fool? I recognize thatbellyface anywhere and I understand your wife is taller than you but that is not your wife in the photo! I remember her being much better looking.
I have a suspicion mom wants to verify I'm a good lover and her daughter will be happy when it comes to intimacy.
Who are you trying to fool? I recognize thatbellyface anywhere and I understand your wife is taller than you but that is not your wife in the photo! I remember her being much better looking.
This sorta creeps me out. Maybe because I'm old fashioned.
I have a suspicion mom wants to verify I'm a good lover and her daughter will be happy when it comes to intimacy. Mom has a very open mind and understands for a marriage to be totally successful, husband and wife need to be good in all departments. So far mom is very happy with my mind, manners, attitude and demeanor so many of the questions she has for me is pertaining to sex.
Gator, I also have read only parts of what he writes. but see a middle aged, self styled psychologist/psychyistrist, narcissistic future Jerry Springer guest who takes a 100 to 200:1 shot with a little girl as if he has discovered something brand new.
Just imagine this guy a year from now in front of a divorce judge with his pregnant 20 year old wife in tow!!! Really, how many months would you give this "chance of success" if you were a betting man?
Gator, I also have read only parts of what he writes. but see a middle aged, self styled psychologist/psychyistrist, narcissistic future Jerry Springer guest who takes a 100 to 200:1 shot with a little girl as if he has discovered something brand new.
And yes, what could his future M-in-law be thinking...."I want to be sure my little girl is sexually satisfied by you...but can't discuss this with her as she is a virgin and never experienced this"??? Please!!!
Think of the newbies who may follow in his footsteps thinking this is a probable success story. After all, I always thought the aim of the forum is to give good advice, or tell of good experiences to others...not fairy tales, as if this jerk was as Clint Eastwood would say, "A legend in his own mind."
I couldn't care if his squeeze is a little girl or not as long as it is legal, and it is, but everything around it stinks, as he pats himself on the back, while at the same time he has maybe a one in a hundred chance at best.
For the newbies who think this is the way to go..........Would you give power of attorney for your whole life to a teenager?
Just imagine this guy a year from now in front of a divorce judge with his pregnant 20 year old wife in tow!!! Really, how many months would you give this "chance of success" if you were a betting man?
Dave, you are correct in that the forum does indeed do everything you say, followed by decisions made by guys on what they have learned....read, and tend to believe. I can't think of anyone (including sex tourists) who have written such nonsense as Billy...ever, including, "If my marriage lasts for only one night, it will be worth it." Wow, what a high bar he has set!!!
Granted, my disagreements are vocal, for reasons already stated.
So many things stated by Billy (ejaculate is carsonogenic) become comical.
Look, I'm glad he participates. I don't dislike him as I don't know him, but think the posts presented by him are so crazy, that they certainly turn me off, as well as others.
You decide, I'll go away, no problem. However, I promise not to answer or comment on this goofiness again.
....I remember reading one of those Dear Abby/Ann Landers help columns and a woman wrote and mentioned one reason her marriage is so successful. She received a wedding present from her grandmother and on the card, it said “For a happy marriage, wear this everyday.” She opened the box and there was nothing in it. Mom is just like that grandma and then some. I'll explain more later.
So many things stated by Billy (ejaculate is carsonogenic) become comical.
Maybe you relish controversy?
Bingo!~
Heh.. and I agree.. however, the thread would not be 60 some odd pages if the OP were the only one shackled by this condition... :P
There is also some excellent point/counterpoint though that is often lost in the spirited digital fisticuffs. So, moving forward, let's focus on the former as opposed to the latter.
Think of the newbies who may follow in his footstepsI'd be surprised if any newbie would wade through 60 odd pages of this bullsch!t - I suspect they're safe enough.
I'd be surprised if any newbie would wade through 60 odd pages of this bullsch!t - I suspect they're safe enough.
Well, to be fair what BillyB said was that 'sperm is carcinogenic'. That may well be one of Mumski's sharedsecretinformation. But yeah, it was pretty funny yet at the same time an 'enlightening' segment of this thread thus far. The ensuing revelation after that information provoked confessions from a few of us. LOL.
FYI
Sperm is NOT carcinogenic. I'm surprised that Mr. Billy's soon to be MIL, being a doctor and all that, did/has not corrected him from this really stupid statement. The reason I mention this is because more often than not glamour magazines and tabloids in the former Soyuz are always raving about the anti-aging properties of sperm when ingested. I swear I'm not making this up. Also, if you llook at the composition for sperm, they may have something there after all....
IMNSHO, the author is the one who is mudslinging himself.
Aherm, yes, well...that's certainly food for thought, Muzh. I always knew it was a win-win proposition for all.
If more of them took those tabloids seriously, there'd be no need for botox. As you say, a win-win.
Billy, how was the omlette she cooked?
When is the interview? Are you bringing Mama to the interview? (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/popcorn_eating.gif)
To clarify, this is how Dictionary.com defines submitting:
sub·mit [suhb-mit] verb,-mit·ted,-mit·ting.verb (used with object)
1. to give over or yield to the power or authority of another(often used reflexively).
2. to subject to some kind of treatment or influence.
3. to present for the approval, consideration, or decision (http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/decision) of another or others: tosubmitaplan;tosubmitanapplication.
4. to state or urge with deference; suggest or propose (usuallyfollowed by a clause): Isubmitthatfullproofshouldberequired.
Sorry, doing what you would do anyways even when single is not being "submissive."
The absurdity of this statement alone makes me think that you are pulling our leg.
Maybe you relish controversy?
"If my marriage lasts for only one night, it will be worth it." Wow, what a high bar he has set!!!
Bingo!~
I can say is that IMHO sounds like a fairytale.
The 'I am an exception.' and 'Because I can' of which Billy exudes both.
As such the thread remains active, primarily for entertainment purposes.
FYI
Sperm is NOT carcinogenic. I'm surprised that Mr. Billy's soon to be MIL, being a doctor and all that, did/has not corrected him from this really stupid statement. The reason I mention this is because more often than not glamour magazines and tabloids in the former Soyuz are always raving about the anti-aging properties of sperm when ingested.
Learn to Google and you will learn sperm/semen is Carcinogenic. Semen has high doses of minerals in it so ingested or using it on your teeth is healthy. Sometimes the mineral content in semen is 600 times the level of the rest of your body. Ingesting semen is temporary but if it stays in one spot, like in your nutsack, 24/7 for months, it will be carcinogenic. Look at it in the same way as alcohol. A glass of wine per day isn't bad for you but high doses of alcohol in your body for long lengths of time will be harmful.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3942-masturbating-may-protect-against-prostate-cancer.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3942-masturbating-may-protect-against-prostate-cancer.html)
When A was called, I went up to the interview's window with her. He was the first American we encountered at the consulate. He asked us both to raise our hands and swear we will tell the truth etc... He asked me a few simple questions and then ask me to return to my seat. A was asked general questions such as how many sisters I had and about me. I could here A's voice was cheerful and I understood her nervousness went away.
A fairytale is a good thing. Better than a nightmare but what if all this is true?
For some of you I write drivel, crap, bullsh!t, rant, make hilarious statements, a criminal, an idiot, a jerk and so on. You've become embarrassed to the point you have to provide everyone with an excuse as to why you are addicted and keep coming back to read. Go figure?
Forget about A's age. For those who took time to read, a lot of people understand how wonderful she is. Big heart, great character , wonderful personality and she's motivated to making her marriage work. Guys pursuing RW hope to find a woman like her and that is why this thread is interesting for them. They don't read for entertainment. If one considers this entertainment, why all the emotional outbursts? Do you do that at the cinema too? One of the reasons I wish some of you would talk more about your wives is to show me there is a better woman out there. I'm all ears to learn if I'm wrong in my interpretation on what wife material is. Prove to me I'm wrong and living fantasy.
Learn to Google and you will learn sperm/semen is Carcinogenic. Semen has high doses of minerals in it so ingested or using it on your teeth is healthy. Sometimes the mineral content in semen is 600 times the level of the rest of your body. Ingesting semen is temporary but if it stays in one spot, like in your nutsack, 24/7 for months, it will be carcinogenic. Look at it in the same way as alcohol. A glass of wine per day isn't bad for you but high doses of alcohol in your body for long lengths of time will be harmful.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3942-masturbating-may-protect-against-prostate-cancer.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3942-masturbating-may-protect-against-prostate-cancer.html)
It's awful to listen to the boss at work but it's ok when he hands you a paycheck? I'm not suggesting women submit to stupid men with little or no reward/benefit. If a woman finds a wise man to marry and submits to his decision making, family life and life in general will be good. A good wise man also lets his wife make many decisions because he factored in her happiness as part of creating a happy family.
If a woman finds a wise man to marry and submits to his decision making, family life and life in general will be good.
Learn to Google and you will learn sperm/semen is Carcinogenic.
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3942-masturbating-may-protect-against-prostate-cancer.html (http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn3942-masturbating-may-protect-against-prostate-cancer.html)
the accumulation of carcinogens found in the blood, carcinogens that entered the blood stream from smoking for example, that then end up in much greater concentrations in the fluid found in the prostate. Or as the article you yourself cite: "Studies in dogs show that carcinogens such as 3-methylcholanthrene, found in cigarette smoke, are also concentrated in prostate fluid."Did they use a breed of smoking dogs as test subjects :o?
Did they use a breed of smoking dogs as test subjects :o ?
Could closeness to a smokinghotkova be similarly hazardous :D ? We urgently need to know of any inherent health dangers ;) .
Did they use a breed of smoking dogs as test subjects :o ?
Could closeness to a smokinghotkova be similarly hazardous :D ?
Did they use a breed of smoking dogs as test subjects :o ?
Could closeness to a smokinghotkova be similarly hazardous :D ? We urgently need to know of any inherent health dangers ;) .
....sperm/semen is Carcinogenic.
....Learn to Google and you will learn sperm/semen is Carcinogenic. Semen has high doses of minerals in it so ingested or using it on your teeth is healthy.
A bit of unsolicited advice, it takes two to tango.
BillyB,
Congratulations! I hope your forthcoming marriage brings happiness to you and A.
Rather than constantly trying to defend your philosophies, why not ignore your detractors? You will not change and neither will they. It becomes a wall of words.
I have one question though. How long did it take between the time of the interview and A getting her visa? I'm just curious because I plan on going through this process next year and want to be there when my Lena has her interview.I want to be able to time it all just right. Again, Congrats!!!!!!(http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/Smileys/default2/Clapping.gif)
It was a month ago? I'm sure she had her stamped passport back in hand a few days later at most.
Did she fly home with you, or is she still in Ukraine?
What kind of wedding are you both planning?
This is not relevant to your story of romancing A, yet you introduce it.
Semen for occasional use is ok and sometimes benefitial to women but with too much semen, women are more prone to cervical cancer. A guy can protect his gal by using condoms or pulling out often. .
Again this thread isn't about A.
they say semen does wonders for the skin.....
Congrats on your approval and I wish you both the best.
When it should focus on the following:
:couple:
IMO a strong man is also a gentleman.
I too can be a street fighter, yet afterwards I regret it.
Quote from: Muzh on November 08, 2011, 07:39:47 AM (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg281476#msg281476)A bit of unsolicited advice, it takes two to tango.
Exactly, so what are you doing here? About 3 years ago I told a couple of prolific posters who liked to quarrel to spend more time with their families instead of here. They divorced soon after and as single men, they now spend less time fighting and on the internet since I rarely see them anymore. Too little too late. I got two more weeks before A comes so you better make plans to bump heads with someone else. The forum is a great place to learn, help others or just read other people's experiences but look at the big picture. If you got a woman, pay attention to her instead of getting angry here.
Quote from: alex330 on Yesterday at 06:56:58 AM (http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=11638.msg281562#msg281562)they say semen does wonders for the skin.....
And for the teeth. Brush twice daily and in-between meals.
Thank you Alex.
The unsolicited advice I gave you was for BOTH to work hard for the success of the relationship,
The fact is that most women would find it pretty old, pretty quick the submissive routine.
While walking alone in the underground tunnel between the underground mall at Independence Square and Mihaylovskaya street two cops stopped me.
I've had a robust dating life at home and abroad when there. Why get married to one woman? Well, she has to be special and if she is special, I'm going to spend time with her. Spending time with someone special is a good thing, right? If being married makes me happy, I can't see myself being grumpy and negative and spending lots of time on the internet. That's not part of marriage for me.
This paragraph by you caught my attention. Could I ask for your opinion on why would men marry at all? If a man can have a quality girlfriend and spend lots of time with her, assuming she is local, why would he want to marry her?
...Seriously Lily, scientists assert that humans are hardwired from our long evolution to live as couples. Unlike essentially all mammals, the human female is receptive to sex year round and not just during the estrous period of the reproductive cycle. Hence the male human stays near the female, and he even helps with child rearing....
I believe Lily was posing the question to Billy.
Also the benefits that you mentioned could easily be obtained by having a local girlfriend or even living together with said girlfriend.
Living together? Absolutely not.
If you go up the escalator out of the mall, turn right and then go past the pizza place, is this the tunnel you're talking about? As I recall there is a long, dark, empty area between the pizza place and the stairs up to the street. I never got a real secure feeling there and always moved through with purpose. During the day there were often scraggly looking street musicians hanging out there. Anyway, sorry you got mugged (by the cops no less) and thanks for the heads up. . .
It's obvious the cops had no idea who Billy is, otherwise they would have been groveling at his feet and begging his forgiveness. ::)
Strange behavior of the cops :o I always thought that they'd avoid confronting foreigners from western countries because they usually know their rights. But to tell the truth, Billy, you look more like a citizen of neighbouring former-CIS countries like Moldova or Tadzhikistan and some cops do like rip those off, so may be that's what it was.
Anyway, the owner of the flat is right - that's outrageous and very bad for tourism...
My congratulations on the big step towards getting A in the US Billy ! :)
This paragraph by you caught my attention. Could I ask for your opinion on why would men marry at all? If a man can have a quality girlfriend and spend lots of time with her, assuming she is local, why would he want to marry her?
A have rejected those men yet she wants my approval.
She may have rejected a lot of men, from your own description it just doesn't seem so?
What's in it for me if I marry? If I give it my all, I'd expect my wife to do the same.
Billy- did she ever date anyone? even a chaperoned date along with her mom ?
You paint her as a teen who had almost zero social/dating interaction with the local boys her age, or even with a man, a bit older she would find mature..
She may have rejected a lot of men,
from your own description it just doesn't seem so.?
*A* was not in some normal young adult woman's situation with an active dating life and experiences.With all the choices that entails.
I'm sure you have good qualities she choose you for.
She seems a good person and did choose you above her future possibilities.
it read like it was the mother doing the rejecting and the choosing.
90 days is not much time to plan a formal, church wedding. Some churches have a long waiting period and instructions (classes) or meetings with the Priest before the wedding can be scheduled. They might also have a waiting period because all the dates and times are already taken.
For a K-1, you can wait until you arrive in USA to get the vaccinations. They are not required for a K-1--but are required for a CR-1.
If?
I think most men would prefer that no other man touched their wife not only in the present or future, but the past too. Unfortunatly we can't change history. There's not many women out there as strong as A when it comes to saving herself for one man. I'm not complaining.
1) She's not going to marry a Muslim so Libyan men are out.
2) She had lots of attention from European men at the beach but maybe they didn't give her good vibes and/or acted too immature.
3) When in Kiev and walking down the street, A has men turning heads
4) so I know she's being hit on when I'm not around.
5) Once we were walking in single aisle fashion since it was crowded and some man made a comment that she's a beautiful cat.
6) I'm sure she gets plenty of comments walking down the street when men think she's alone.
7) She has excellent communication skills with me so I'm not sure she's had little socializing with boys as you imply.
There's not many women out there as strong as A when it comes to saving herself for one man. I'm not complaining.
Billy, what world are you living at? Not many 17-16yo-"women" without sexual experience in Ukraine?
You are kidding, aren't you? Please tell me you aren't serious.
:wallbash:
Mies, I heard that having sex is a requirement for graduation from school in FSU.
You are saying the requirements have changed? What are the current requirements?
These are the thoughts of an insecure man. Real men have no problems with the idea that their wives have had sexual relationships with men in their past.
I am not particularly educated in this area, nor I think you are, but to me it looks uncommon for a EU man to actively pursue a woman on a beach in a Muslim/middle-Eastern country. She may be someone's daughter, or wife.
It would seam even more uncommon for a European man to marry a teenage 16yo girl whom he met on a beach in a middle-eastern Muslim country. Have you heard of any incidents of that? :)
But yes, you are right. You got the girl, so why should you care what circumstances led to this result? Congratulations :blowkiss:
Not many 17-16yo-"women" without sexual experience in Ukraine?
You are kidding, aren't you? Please tell me you aren't serious.
however tempting that might be, my husband always was, is, and will be the only man who can kiss and make out with me. :P So please forgive me my lack of receptive and perceptive skills :)
If you keep misunderstanding me, we will have to kiss and make out again. You don't want that...or do you? ;D
I suspect and agree with you most teen girls in Ukraine have had sex in their teens.I wonder when did I say THAT?
Based on your experience growing up in the FSU, why are FSU non muslim teen girls having sex early?
You didn't understand what I wrote.
These are the thoughts of an insecure man. Real men have no problems with the idea that their wives have had sexual relationships with men in their past. That is life. The experiences that women have are what helps form them into the people we love. So no, normal men do not prefer virgins at all. Virginity is way overrated, and again, any man that prefers a woman to be a virgin is showing signs of insecurity and immaturity.
Seriously Lily, scientists assert that humans are hardwired from our long evolution to live as couples. Unlike essentially all mammals, the human female is receptive to sex year round and not just during the estrous period of the reproductive cycle. Hence the male human stays near the female, and he even helps with child rearing. Supposedly male bears and tigers will kill offspring so that the female will enter the estrous cycle sooner (how do they know that?).
So no, normal men do not prefer virgins at all. Virginity is way overrated, and again, any man that prefers a woman to be a virgin is showing signs of insecurity and immaturity.
I concur. Yes, I prefer women with experience. I recall my own inexperienced days. I must have been a terrible lover.
Experienced women certainly seem to enjoy sex more, and that is important. They also know how to please, and that is very important.
however tempting that might be, my husband always was, is, and will be the only man who can kiss and make out with me. :P
I remember reading one of those Dear Abby/Ann Landers help columns and a woman wrote and mentioned one reason her marriage is so successful. She received a wedding present from her grandmother and on the card, it said “For a happy marriage, wear this everyday.” She opened the box and there was nothing in it. Mom is just like that grandma and then some. I'll explain more later.
When so many people "misunderstand" what you write you have to start asking yourself where the problem is...
Experienced women certainly seem to enjoy sex more, and that is important. They also know how to please, and that is very important.
Mom then discussed some of the things we talked about before “I teach my daughter that she must give husband sex every morning so that he will be relaxed all day. I tell her she must never, never, never refuse husband.” Mom is wise knowing this. Some women don't understand when they start rejecting their man's advances, they are damaging him pyschologically. After being rejected enough times, the man will not try intimate as often with his woman and/or begin seeking a woman that desires him.
Here comes the “then some”.
Mom then discussed some of the things we talked about before “I teach my daughter that she must give husband sex every morning so that he will be relaxed all day.
One evening mom and I were sitting at the table in the kitchen talking about a few things while A was taking a bath. Mom asked me “Did you having sex with anyone? I told my daughter that if Bill is having sex with other women that it is okay because man needs this”. I told mom “No. I don't want to take a chance catching a disease and passing it to A and most of the time when a man has sex with a woman, the woman will develop feelings for him and will want a relationship. I don't want to play with their feelings and I don't want to tempt myself with other women.”
Boy, do you really believe any of this, Billy? I'm starting to wonder if there is such an A. Too many fantasies such as the above.
I would certainly believe an FSU mother telling her daughter that her fiancee or *man* maybe cheating ,or is cheating, as that is *what men do*,and an higher level of acceptance of this. I have seen this mentality many times.
It's a bit amusing that page 69 is the page billy opens up to mom about his favorite positions in sex.
What sort of women are you guys meeting? I mean seriously. My wife would have none of that and just shakes her head when I read her this stuff. Perhaps they are just not so desperate or accepting in the North.
If what Billy says is true and not some weird delusion (and that's a big IF), A's mother is a kook and has probably screwed around with her daughters head so much that it's no wonder she's looking at marrying a pudgy, balding 40-something control freak.
Best left unsaid. :shock:
Better yet, you should have stopped Mama with a comment such as, "Mama, thank you but let us not go there. A and I will be fine. We will discover together the joy of sex."
Seriously, what's next? Mama telling you what you should do to A?
You are sounding just like Albert and you are reinforcing the opinion of some RWD readers that this is all about BillyB. I attribute that to raging hormones. I suggest you relieve yourself just before posting at RWD.
Sounds like physical relief rather than love. What do you do now without a wife? Do you masturbate every morning so you can perform better at work? Or do you relieve yourself at the job site behind a bulldozer? :)
What sort of women are you guys meeting? I mean seriously. My wife would have none of that and just shakes her head when I read her this stuff. Perhaps they are just not so desperate or accepting in the North.
If what Billy says is true and not some weird delusion (and that's a big IF), A's mother is a kook and has probably screwed around with her daughters head so much that it's no wonder she's looking at marrying a pudgy, balding 40-something control freak.
Yeah.. definitely TMI.
I was wondering if the spit, swallow, or gargle (sorry BC:my edit for a punchline)discussion with mom will be fully 'covered' in his next posts. Certainly valuable information for any RW seeker preparing to meet the future MIL.
I also heard CNN will provide live coverage of Billy unfurling their bloody wedding sheets atop the Space Needle... Go RWD!!~
Maybe she was just hitting on you as a test billy...
If what Billy says is true and not some weird delusion (and that's a big IF), A's mother is a kook and has probably screwed around with her daughters head so much that it's no wonder she's looking at marrying a pudgy, balding 40-something control freak.
If you're out of ideas what the perfect present will be, then let me give you one. How about a couple of sonic toothbrushes with a year supply of semen tubes to at least make sure they'll maintain healthy teeth?
Does it has to be MIL tested and approved?
Maybe BC ( ;) )? He can then stamp the labels...."Made in Italy"
I doubt my wife would share. Her favorite flavor is melone.
Wow, That was uummm different :-\ . Did mom take a ride on the BillyB express in order to make sure her daughter is with the right man? ::)
The new and improved anatomically correct tickle me Billy doll.
I just assumed. How else could she get the ball tickle technique and the BJ instruction down enough to teach it? :popcorn:
The new and improved anatomically correct tickle me Billy doll.
You must not know who you're talking about? He's the MAN, he doesn't play with dolls :D
Sorry about that, I meant "action figure"
Best left unsaid.
Better yet, you should have stopped Mama with a comment such as, "Mama, thank you but let us not go there. A and I will be fine. We will discover together the joy of sex."
Seriously, what's next? Mama telling you what you should do to A?
You are sounding just like Albert and you are reinforcing the opinion of some RWD readers that this is all about BillyB. I attribute that to raging hormones. I suggest you relieve yourself just before posting at RWD.
Boy, do you really believe any of this, Billy? I'm starting to wonder if there is such an A. Too many fantasies such as the above.
Perhaps billy should have asked mom, if she believes he should be equally accepting of any current or future infidelity of any fiance or wife, , as after all its just nature taking its course.If she answered yes, I would find her views at least more balanced,and more realistic,but hardly a good foundation to truly believe the fundamental vows taken are some how just more of a guideline, like a silly humorous *pirates code*,because
after all they are pirates.Its what they do.
It's a bit amusing that page 69 is the page billy opens up to mom about his favorite positions in sex.
The irony ,to me, in billys statement, is the prior stress he puts on a woman respecting her man,
however what if the man doesn't deserve such level of respect? or what level does the woman with that acceptence start any man she would marry out on?
(not a statement about *A* or A's mother, simply any woman accepting of such)
If a woman feels from the very start that her man doesn't posses the integrity and ethics to honour a mutually agreed upon and established exclusive relationship, then i'd certainly question what bar she would be setting ,that is really deserved of respect.
Maybe she was just hitting on you as a test billy...
I don't think Billly bob will appreciate what my wife and her mother think what his future MIL is...., IF SHE REALLY SAID THAT!!
He's the MAN, he doesn't play with dolls :D
For one, you may want to worry what one specific person thinks. That is A's mom. Some forms of mental disorders run in the family. Others can be nurtured. You do understand that mom's behavior is well beyond of what is considered "conventional" or "normal," don't you?
If I was worried about what people think,
Ask your wife to read the whole thread instead of you selectively reading it to her. Ade who reads to his wife too can do the same. I know how a story gets twisted when it travels mouth to mouth.
I'm sure there are one or two RW out there that will get over their shyness and please their man by grabbing their man's balls(not too hard) next time they're intimate.
I wanted to say something along those lines or nothing at all but mom was serious about the question. Because she's a doctor, some patients will talk about things in their life besides medical problems so she's used to hearing private/personal issues. Mom tells me Libyan ladies have told her that their husbands like to dress them up as prostitutes at home. Muslim men aren't as conservative as we thought!
Mom was happy with what I told her so she didn't tell me what I should do to A but she did tell me if I have any problems with A, to call her and she will take care of it.
I'm one of the very few men that can commit to marriage to a woman based off inner beauty alone, not sex but sex/intimancy is a very important part of a relationship.
Although most people don't talk about it we know some have real problems in their relationships at this moment.
I dated plenty of RW and they talk about sex much more openly than I.
Sometime they tell me to loosen up about the subject.
It's not that I don't know much about it but I have a policy not to talk about other women in my life because sometimes that is where the conversation heads to.
There is no fantasy here. What I've written in this thread happens in my life. Some of the RW I've dated in the past have jumped into the shower with me and grabbed my package and played with it after a wonderful love session. Do you think that is fantasy too? I suspect these things don't happen to every man and that is sad.
A man's health is more important than infidelity and overides it according to mom. She believes if a man doesn't use it, he will lose it and masturbation is not the same as real sex. Besides losing the ability to get it up, if a man goes without real sex for say 5 years and although his equipment still works he will have lost the ability to make quality love to a woman just because he's rusty. If a woman dated a man who has not had sex in 10 years, I believe she will be more worried than thrilled that he's saving himself for his one and only.
I forgot to tell mom I liked 69. I'll tell her in my next call. Seriously, what are you doing thinking about 69 Jumper? Your brain must be in the gutter. lol
For one, you may want to worry what one specific person thinks. That is A's mom. Some forms of mental disorders run in the family. Others can be nurtured. You do understand that mom's behavior is well beyond of what is considered "conventional" or "normal," don't you?
On the other hand.... what do I know. Maybe you want to have a beautiful AND crazy wife.
LOL, now that totally made my day :D :D :D
Although I do have some doubts on your advice, Billy ;) Isn't it unsafe to grab moving parts during the process? I would hate to get my man castrated :P
Guess what Billybob? Another Ukrainian doctor says you are full of caca. First, she doubts very much MIL is a doctor. Second, she doubts very much she said a word posted here.
She asked for photos of the interior of my house. I told her I sent a fews photos a long time ago but she wants photos of every room so she can get an idea on how to decorate it (bla-bla-bla). ..She insisted I send the photos..looks like someone is getting nervous about the trip, maybe having second thoughts before a big move.
looks like someone is getting nervous about the trip, maybe having second thoughts before a big move.
Billy,
Enough with the graphic descriptions of sex play.
- Dan
As I type this, A is on the move. She is going from Kiev to Frankfurt, then to Las Vegas, and finally me!
May be she could join the forum and write her impressions?
Would indeed be interesting.
Excellent News!
That's fantastic news Billy! Congratulations!
I look forward to read the A's news in the U.S.
May be she could join the forum and write her impressions?
How do I take care of a RW?You don't, you shut up and listen. It may be a new experience.............
BC and TG thinks it's going to be dangerous so I will decline!
If your definition of 'interesting' is 'dangerous' then so be it.
At this point, in your shoes I would either share RWD with your wife or drop RWD from your life. I opted to share instead of creating some little corner of my life hidden away, posting pictures and other intimate information about her and our family in public, surreptitiously and without consent.
After all marriage is about sharing all aspects of your life and not just some.. - unless you have coined another definition for marriage as well.
I agree totally. It's the mark of a real man when they aren't ashamed of what they say in public and can share it with their family. And if they are ashamed or reticent, then they should ask themselves if they should be saying it in the first place.
....She has to adjust to a new life. She will continue higher education. She may get a part time job. She has to live real life....
It goes far beyond that BillyB. It is now entirely up to you to make sure this woman is allowed to seek out every opportunity for her to realize her own identity within your marriage. She must also be afforded every opportunity to make something for herself, of herself, by herself...within the structure of your marriage.
Good luck to both of you. If there's anything I can address with whatever questions that might come, give me a shout..
you shut up and listen. It may be a new experience.............:ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: :ROFL: There's a first time for everything
I agree totally. It's the mark of a real man when they aren't ashamed of what they say in public and can share it with their family. And if they are ashamed or reticent, then they should ask themselves if they should be saying it in the first place.
Do these forums really qualify as 'public' in the same sense as an easily recognized member of some community standing up before a group and telling his/her story?
Yes, we can call it public since it is open to the public, but most here are completely unknown to other posters and always will be, so it really isn't quite the same thing.
I think many, in addition to sharing useful info, view forums as a place to blow off steam and thus say things that they really don't have strong feelings about one way or another. In some cases it may not represent their true feelings at all, but rather some hair-brained idea that just cropped up, or even the desire to be controversial.
Those who do share their posts here with their mates probably don't 'let loose' as much as those who don't share; so it would be a mistake to infer that those in the former group are somehow better men. This former group may have another outlet where they 'let loose' but we just don't know about it.
Those who do share their posts here with their mates probably don't 'let loose' as much as those who don't share; so it would be a mistake to infer that those in the former group are somehow better men. This former group may have another outlet where they 'let loose' but we just don't know about it.
I don't think there's much to it to become a submissive person.
I didn't give much creedence to that silly statement on this thread to begin with, Muzh. Just like the rest of them i.e. semen as dental care and all the rest in between.
I can only hope you didn't either.
I guess you know him quite well.
Time will tell....
.......Are you afraid of Elvis?...
Well the wife had to go back to Ukraine to update her passport so I decided to stop by. I have gone through this thread before (while not reading everything. Who could stomach 70 pages of this) and have decided to give my 2 cents since the famous A is now currently dwelling in the good ole USA.Don't candy coat it, tell us how you really feel? :deadhorse:
I expect the "you know what" to hit the fan real soon.
Yes I am one who thinks the highly almighty and wise BillyB is about to learn he got played by a teenager.
A beautiful young 17 year old falls for a middle aged man with a receding hair line and protruding belly happens every day.
But not only that she is the perfect little virgin just saving herself for Billy. She is willing to be his little submissive student and do all he wishes. She will even turn her back if Billy were to stray on her and act as if it never happened.
Sound too good to be true so far? Wait it only gets better.
The most perfect future mother in law in history.
Not only did she turn her back on this middle aged man hitting on her teenage (at one time even underaged) daughter, but she is so concerned they have such a happy marriage she even decided to teach Billy how to sexually satisfy her teenage daughter.
1. Family who already shows they wish to leave Ukraine for a life in another country
They have already been to Lybia. Is USA their next target?
2. Some men just get all tingly inside when they hear the word Virgin
Perfect excuse to avoid Sleeping with someone. I'm a Virgin waiting for my wedding night. Just to think this fine mother who does not mind teenagers and 40 something men being together but even teaches sexual techniques, would raise such a christian daughter.
3. The third wheel mother is always around
The good ole third wheel. A sure fire way to make sure a man does not get out of line on a date.
Pretty odd for a couple who wish to marry to always have mother around. If A truly loved Billy. I think she would have liked at least some time alone. Maybe its just me.
4. Sexual talks with mother.
Daughter is doing all she can to avoid sex with Billy. Yet she cannot let Billy figure out the real plan. So mother steps in. If mother can keep Billy thinking with his little head instead of his big one they just might pull this off. "Hey Billy. I have to teach you how to sexually satisfy my daughter!"
5. Play to Billy's ego
"Oh Billy you are the most intelligent man I have ever met."
Hey it has worked so far......
6. Refusing to visit Las Vegas
Only one of the most exciting cities in the USA. Most Russians I have met have this at top of their list to visit if in the USA. But oh no. A cannot even be dragged out of the airport. It would be too rude to do anything without visiting Billy's parents first.
Hate to break this to you A. But Billy is a middle aged Man. He has been down this road before. Considering you are also a teenager. I just don't exactly see Billy's parents doing cartwheels to meet you. Sorry to break the news to you hun.
Considering the world over knows Las Vegas is not just a city for gambling but for quick marriages at the Elvis Prestly House Of Love. Is this your reason? Are you afraid of Elvis?
7. Wanting a BIG church wedding.
Of coarse a girl with such religious values to remain a virgin until she is married (yes Billy said her religious values is why) would want to get married in a church. By the way A do you carry your bible with you everywhere you go? Say grace with every meal? I am sure such a fine girl would not miss a day of church. At least all those other girls I knew who were virgins until marriage (based on religious beliefs) did those things.
Oh and I am sure your mother was the main influence on you to have such values. Parents were influence also for those I knew.
But wait a minute.... Is this not the same mother who has no problem with middle aged men talking to her teenage daughter and giving them sexual advice on how to satisfy you?
Some values.
But lets get back to the BIG church wedding.
Just who do you plan to invite to this BIG wedding A?
I am sure many here would love to know your secret around getting others from Ukraine visa's, much less on short notice. We all have someone we would like to visit the good ole USA but that darn visa thing is just getting in the way. But you can help all of us. You must be able to since you are planning a big wedding for so many people.
Could you need time for your other plan while you keep Billy planning a wedding?
Oh wait. Billy already told you that there is not enough time for your dream wedding. It has to be simple. Of coarse you are fine with this as long as you wait for the weather to be warmer.
Hate to break the news to you. But you do realize the time of year you arrived? You only have 90 days. Sorry to tell you. But the weather you felt today when you arrived, is the warmest it is going to get. Only gonna get colder from here on out.
OK OK I know some are ready to jump on me for the last one. Many will say they should wait the 90 days and see how things go first before the commitment.
I would not comment if just that. believe me.
However considering what is above.... I feel safe to say that is not the reason she is delaying.
Plus I have read many pages of their self proclaimed love. Even A told her mother when 17 after a short time communicating with Billy he was going to be her future husband. So why wait???
have seen way too many red flags throughout this story. With the biggest just being the photographs.
teenager and middle aged man.
beauty and the beast (girl who could pick alot more other guys)
Already tried to leave Ukraine before
What better excuse to avoid sleeping with a person you are scamming then to play the Virgin card and waiting to get married.
How to keep that man from figuring it then by having mother talk sex with her daughter
Have high religious values but does the above?????
Willing to be a submissive pet
Tells Billy everything he wants to hear "Your the most intelligent man I have ever met"
Mother ALWAYS with them. Avoids time alone (now possibly Billy chose to have the mother around. Is this because the communicate so well?? If you could communicate with A so well you would not need the mother around. Here is where the age difference already comes into play)
A's determination to not visit Las Vegas. Sorry but the quick marriage thing is all I can think of as to why.
BIG church wedding. Takes time to plan
Simple wedding only when weather is warm. That should take a while
add it all together and something is a little off here.
But the real kicker to this. The photographs.
Not saying it can't happen
But to look at the pictures of the two then I would figure things would be opposite.
I would believe Billy to be the Virgin. I would believe Billy to be her submissive pet. I would believe Billy would turn his back on infidelity etc...
However the roles are reversed here. That is when I am not buying it.
She may marry him. She may not.
But I am pretty sure there is a plan in the works. Just depends on how far it needs to go to get that green card.
Maybe something I should add to this. I guess I was speaking directly to A in my comments. Do not know why since shewill never read this. While BillyB spent 70 pages trying to convince every one here how he is the biggest Alpha Male ever he sure changed very quick when someone mentioned letting A in on the fun afraid to see what she would think. So no A and so much for the Alpha Male.
At this point, in your shoes I would either share RWD with your wife or drop RWD from your life. I opted to share instead of creating some little corner of my life hidden away, posting pictures and other intimate information about her and our family in public, surreptitiously and without consent.
Maybe she just wanted to see the house..
and have some ideas about decorating it?
A is sleeping but when she wakes up, she'll make me breakfast and we go cruising around. I'm not working this week so that I can spend time with her so she won't be bored and lonely her first few days here.
....She's not upset but ready to dig in and turn the house around. She has lots of ideas and I'm going to take her to some home improvement stores today....
There are things A shares with her mom and friends about me without my consent. I don't care and don't let it bother me. I've given her a lot of praise in this thread I'm sure she'll be proud about but this thread is written for you guys and she doesn't need to read about my dating experiences.
Hello BillyB,
Your story sounds like a business project, there are excessively much calculation and self-admiration, there are not feelings, it is not a love story.
If she will has personal opinion which differs from yours you write that you will leave she and it will be easy for you. It is strange, if you really love her...
Hello BillyB,BillyB's problem s no one can love him as much as he loves himself.
Your story sounds like a business project, there are excessively much calculation and self-admiration, there are not feelings, it is not a love story.
If she will has personal opinion which differs from yours you write that you will leave she and it will be easy for you. It is strange, if you really love her...
Wow, midnight arrival and a 10 hour time difference. That certainly made for a looong day.
With some of the worst weather of the season blowing in off the Pacific today, you'll have to share what A thinks about all the rain. Just tell her that the summers are warm and dry and make up for the winters. But don't tell her that summer officially starts on the 5th of July 8) . . .
Is her mother ,or any of her friends set up with skype or something similar?
It's far better than just a phone conversation with a family member or dear friend.
WOW, BillyB! That's a first...Home Depot!
Did she actually said this, 'You are my husband, you can walk with me everywhere?' This should be something really significant, I figure.
It is good that you ignore potshots from your detractors.
Just keep telling your story with photos.
When do you take her to a construction site? Give her a shovel and pick, with gloves to protect her nails.
You would be really surprised how powerful google and other online records really are and how little effort it takes to learn a whole bunch about those who post here and elsewhere on the net.
Hello BillyB,
Your story sounds like a business project, there are excessively much calculation and self-admiration,
there are not feelings, it is not a love story.
If she will has personal opinion which differs from yours you write that you will leave she and it will be easy for you. It is strange, if you really love her...
BillyB's problem s no one can love him as much as he loves himself.
Many men would love to have my "problems". ;)
Bear and others, what is the goal by insinuating I have bad character traits this late into the game?
Bear, I'm sure you've done detective work being a cop. For a guy to successful in attracting lots of women, get repeat dates, have a decent number of those ladies wanting to marry him, do you think he does it by loving himself more than women or does attract women by loving and taking care of them better than he does himself?
you should have just gone out and purchased a red sports carThey're very expensive. ;)
They're very expensive. ;)Still cheaper then marriage ;D
....We could have very well been walking in Home Depot as you typed that. We didn't buy anything but A look around getting some ideas but not rushing anything. After the busy holidays we may change some things one room at a time. ....
You have made statements that have rubbed me the wrong way
The difference between you and I is that I do not want a submissive wife,
I want a partner that will be there standing next to me during the good times and the bad times. I want my partner to challenge me mentally and not just take everything I say as gospel. I get satisfaction out of helping and encouraging my wife to grow then if I just did everything for her.
Your story could be true or you could be making everything up for your fantasy.
Good luck and have fun on the re-decor. Stay away from IKEA. Pure garbage.
Hope you shared your first Thanksgiving Day feast!
Really nice pics Billy. She looks happy in her new life. I do think on of the advantages of younger women is they adapt better to a life change. It sounds like things are running smoothly and hopefully she will find the happiness that she dreamed of.
I do think if a relationship or move to be with a man has problems they start early and just get worse as time goes along. It sounds like there are no problems yet so that is most likely a good sign.
If she leaves me over a few words said here, then it's her loss. I can go back to a robust dating life and someday come back and amaze people with another wonderful woman.
Still cheaper then marriage ;D
BillyB's problem s no one can love him as much as he loves himself.
Yes BillyB I have done my share of investigations into a variety of criminal activities and usually when I am interviewing/interrogating someone and I smell B.S I gather the facts then I call them on it...
Recently you come across as arrogant, pompous and egotistical- you like to brag and boast about your accomplishments and conquests, you like to tell everyone that you are the greatest thing since sliced bread and god's gift to the female population- this tells me you want attention...
There is a difference between confidence and bragging and in my experience I have found that the truely confident men do not need to brag about themselves in order to impress others.
Boy TG, I really hope for their sake you are correct. My observations so far have been quite the opposite. I'm referring to teenage girls marrying older men.
OMG is she even 15? ::)
As far as the age difference and her age I have no problems with it but it is not something I would recommend. Of course some of the more negative people might actually think that A shows more maturity than Billy so perhaps the age difference is more perceived than real. Again, to me it is his business and her business and I am more than willing to just wish them a happy life together.
So far no crying and I suspect I won't see it from A unless I turn into a monster. Her cooking needs improvement but she tries. I'm going to have to be patient on this issue.
How about sex? Does she need lots of training and improvement? Have you introduced her to the ball-grabbing technique yet? Was she a virgin, as promised?
Inquiring minds need to know 8)
I think Dan has already stated the need to keep the sexual details out of the thread. Or were you not reading? :deadhorse:
I think Dan has already stated the need to keep the sexual details out of the thread. Or were you not reading?
She isn't asking for graphic details, she's asking about a very important piece of information! I'd also like to hear a few words on this topic ;) Billy dedicated a lot of time talking about this stuff and his story won't be complete without updates on this topic as well!!!
How about sex? Does she need lots of training and improvement? Have you introduced her to the ball-grabbing technique yet? Was she a virgin, as promised?
Inquiring minds need to know 8)
Note: A man walks on very thin ice when he talks about another mans wife and sex in the same sentence.
Can't help but wonder ::) if this is really a woman talking here ^^^^^^ Only know guys to talk like this.
Note: A man walks on very thin ice when he talks about another mans wife and sex in the same sentence.
LMFAO
:popcorn:
pitbull is indeed a woman, a RW, I have no doubt. Billy initiated the ball fondling, other sexual discussions and the inclusion of the RW on the forum to this thread, he has commented at length as to their positions or his feeling as to their positions. Billy opened that door, he'll now have to close it or let them continue to go through it.
I would remind all however, do not let this get obscene.
Wow, she will be good looking when she grows up. But she doesn't look like your daughter though, for obvious reasons. Who is she? The daughter of a friend?
I think more than anyone it will be you that will wear yourself out trying to make sure she is ok. Relax.
One thing that FSU women are good at is telling you whats on their mind. :D
she looks somewhat like Taylor Swift who is on about every TV show now.
How about sex? Does she need lots of training and improvement? Have you introduced her to the ball-grabbing technique yet? Was she a virgin, as promised?
Inquiring minds need to know 8)
I'd also like to hear a few words on this topic ;) Billy dedicated a lot of time talking about this stuff and his story won't be complete without updates on this topic as well!!!
Yes!
I want to know if the relationship has been consummated and also if the famous eye-opening technique of ball grabbing had been succesfully applied :clapping:
As to your relationship; the biggest risk I see from her age is typically women change in wants, expectations, and life goals from the age of 16 to 22 and again from 22 to 25. You should be receptive to these changes and be flexible as she grows into a mature woman. Other than that you two appear to be doing well together, just remember to Love and Cherish her, (that includes you respecting her completely).
From some of your posts it appears you are "more into the physical side and if things don't work out between you to then oh well" (paraphrasing) Not a good attitude toward your wife who you should be planning on being with for life.
Once the passion wears off there must be something deeper to bond the two of you in a spiritual way. This is done through the pillars of marriage "Trust, Endurance, Commitment, and Oneness." You must fully let go of the me, I and replace it with Us, We, the family.
Wish you two all the best and hope you have a happy life together.
Ladies...Calm down!!!
I promised Dan to back off the talk so you have to register your complaints with him. As for now you are free to use your imagination and most likely everything is as you imagine. ;)
Aha, the manly man has chickened out! After all the great built-up for this of the story! I can only imagine things are far from great in the sex department. :(
I promised Dan to back off the talk so you have to register your complaints with him. As for now you are free to use your imagination and most likely everything is as you imagine. ;)
Yeah, I was worried A was going to go into culture shock and I'm the one that's mentally drained by worrying too much. A has assimilated into American culture with no problems. She's tough. I should have known. Thinking back, I remember when she had to evacuate Libya and lost everything, she soon sent me photos which I posted here, smiling and enjoying the snow in Ukraine.
pitbull is indeed a woman, a RW, I have no doubt. Billy initiated the ball fondling, other sexual discussions and the inclusion of the RW on the forum to this thread, he has commented at length as to their positions or his feeling as to their positions. Billy opened that door, he'll now have to close it or let them continue to go through it.
I would remind all however, do not let this get obscene.
Yes, inquiring minds would like to know.
And how do you propose how to avoid that when talking about his/her positions?
:devilish:
Besides, 'A' have nothing to do with any of BillyB's "whatever"..doesn't seem fair she's being thrown in all of this, no?
But this should be the 'happy period' for a fellow MOber, fellas...shouldn't we just look at this from that vantage point? Besides, 'A' have nothing to do with any of BillyB's "whatever"..doesn't seem fair she's being thrown in all of this, no?
She has chosen her man so she will have to stand by him.
She has chosen her man so she will have to stand by him.
Understood Ranetka, but aside from BillyB's ramblings in this thread (you better stop this silliness quickly young man, or Ill get your father to do it for you!), she seem to be happy with that choice, no?
My post wasn't a'tall sexual in nature or my reference to positions. Merely, reference that Billy has pounded his chest continually throughout this thread that the RW reading the thread understand and agree with him.
Strangely for the most part, they were silent. That baffled me.
It now appears that 4-5 are inquiring, waiting until Billy actually might have something juicy (no pun intended) once his betrothed arrived to share with the RW of the forum. They are calling you out Billy, you turn and run like a red-faced schoolboy. Let's hear it Master of the Karma Sutra.
A amazingly adjusted to the time zone without missing a beat but I was mentally exhausted trying to make sure things are going smooth for her. Second photo is taken at Victoria's Secret during Black Friday shopping. Third photo is taken at Pike Place market in Seattle which is a must visit for tourists. Fourth photo is at a park near Pike Place and behind A's head are the stadiums the Seattle Seahawks and Mariners play. Fifth photo was taken at a park with a good view of Seattle.
Really nice pics Billy. She looks happy in her new life.to me she doesn't look happy at all.
Third photo is taken at Pike Place market in Seattle which is a must visit for tourists.
to me she doesn't look happy at all.
Oh.. and Thanksgiving with paper plates?
Maybe did not go across so well?
Breeze, welcome to the crowd. :clapping:
BillyB's problem s no one can love him as much as he loves himself.The love is not necessary to some people, they can be happy differently...
BillyB, this is a harmless example of your self-admiration. ;)
Hi Breeze. I was looking at your pasts posts and you haven't posted in a year and a half. My thread has brought you back to life!
Sharing my feelings with everyone here is not going to happen. I will share my feelings with my fiancee. I write like a man.
.... So yeah, RWs expect to know...He already said A will not see this thread anyway so whats the harm? I already know that she was a virgin and that BillyB informed her mother that he likes his testicules fondled and that her mother promised to educate her daughter (I never asked for this information, mind you) so I just want to know did MIL iformed A or not? Surely, given all the prior info this is an expected and reasonable question?
Really now?!?
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Oh.. and Thanksgiving with paper plates?...
....Have you seen all RW in ageement before?
I reckon no, I haven't. So BillyB apparently was right along that he does in fact have that animal magnetism and do get RWs full attention.
I, for one, am impressed! :P
since they are together now I'd like to know how they get on. Preferably in the same level of details as I was informed about plans and house rules.
Take it as you like. :D
....So see, I want to know all about his adventures, I would be very disappointed if he does not share any more of his wisdom and life story (never mind mind blowing sexual techniques) with me.
As for A, I expressed my feelings about this marriage before however since they are together now I'd like to know how they get on. Preferably in the same level of details as I was informed about plans and house rules.
Billy has kindly shared some of the detail. We already know that he is force-feeding A:
"I don't care if you're not hungry but at least take a bite"
Now, let's wait and see how deep Billy's magnetism can penetrate into A's foie gras
Now, let's wait and see how deep Billy's magnetism can penetrate into A's foie gras :)
So far so good.
She is happy, BillyB is happy so Ranetka wants more details to be happy too :popcorn:
I understand she is young and pretty and you feel fatherly towards her :-X but...
BillyB was happy to share with us his sexual fantasies, preferences and plans, I see no harm in sharing with us how the plans are implemented. Like was her mother instructions good enough?
Billy could have said he was too explicit at some point and that he regrets it now but he has not.
So yeah, RWs expect to know...He already said A will not see this thread anyway so whats the harm? I already know that she was a virgin and that BillyB informed her mother that he likes his testicules fondled and that her mother promised to educate her daughter (I never asked for this information, mind you) so I just want to know did MIL iformed A or not? Surely, given all the prior info this is an expected and reasonable question?
:D
We already know that he is force-feeding A.....Now, let's wait and see how deep Billy's magnetism can penetrate into A's foie gras :)
Aha, the manly man has chickened out! After all the great built-up for this of the story! I can only imagine things are far from great in the sex department. :(
Dan only asked not to include "graphic details of sex play". I'm asking for a general update, no details :P
What is As real first name?
Dale
on these new photos, A looks to me:
1) tense, shy, subdued
2) sad or tired
3) reserved, possibly sad or tired
4) reserved, possibly tired
5) sad
Compare these photos to any of the photos of A you posted here earlier, and if you do not see the difference I'd say you are ignoring your partner's emotional state.
Unlike in her older photos from Lybia and Ukraine, in the newer photos from USA A never looks happy and self-confident/playful.
Oh.. and Thanksgiving with paper plates?
Maybe did not go across so well?
this thread is the first one I check when log in, sometimes I only check this thread.
If not for Billy and his sharings I probably would not read RWD at all :)
If a man is a fantastic lover, a woman can forgive some faults of his.
Hey your macho confidence is good..
but really you've made it clear that she has no point of reference to actually know..one way or the other.
;)
So I'm sure it will work out for you..
This is love story
Vladivostok - Trip Report
http://www.russianwomendiscussion.com/index.php?topic=1976.0
Yes!
I want to know if the relationship has been consummated and also if the famous eye-opening technique of ball grabbing had been succesfully applied :clapping:
Jumper, there's some truth behind every joke ;D
What a cluster Fu*&
I thought the photos looked good to me. A was happier than I was. You mention playful. A plays with my ear and puts her hand on my face and head on my head many times. When I'm driving I put one hand on the wheel and one hand on her thigh and she doesn't resist. A is very friendly with my relatives and it's important to her that she is accepted by them. If she didn't care about me, I don't think she would care about them.
Billy, by "playful" I meant her facial expression. In her old photos from Ukraine/Lybia she looks self-confident and playful. In her new photos from USA she no longer looks this way. She looks somewhat subdued, reserved, or sad, or maybe tired.Are you kidding me Mies?????? The lady just moved half way around the world to a new country and left her family. How do you expect her to feel and look????? Of course she will be a little depressed. Who wouldn't?????? It's what most people would call culture shock! Sheesh! :wallbash:
If you didn't notice it, it means that either you cannot read women and don't know/understand women that well as you are trying to convince everyone on this board, or that you choose to ignore obvious signs.
I think you should not try to impress anyone with your success, and should not deny A the possibility of being homesick, or the need to adopt to new life/new country, or the understandable discomfort from changing her life and lifestyle and moving from her home to someone else's home, and the need to share the home with a man. You should also stop dominating her, and stop forcing her to do things. There is nothing masculine or "alpha-" in dominance over weak and dependent. If you are a real man, you would not need to do that. I hope you are.
Otherwise, this will not do any good neither to her, nor to you in a long-term.
Probably my advice will fall upon deaf ears.. but maybe.. just maybe. you'll take a moment to read and try to understand what I wrote.
Are you kidding me Mies?????? The lady just moved half way around the world to a new country and left her family. How do you expect her to feel and look????? Of course she will be a little depressed. Who wouldn't?????? It's what most people would call culture shock! Sheesh! :wallbash:
Just shows that you know absolutely nothing about how I feel about this Ranetka!!! Personally, I too do not approve of Billy's relationship with so young a lady but guess what? it's his thread and his life. I think you guys have already stated your feelings about how you all feel yet you keep on posting the same old drivel. It's gotten so old already. Get over it!!!!
Are you kidding me Mies?????? The lady just moved half way around the world to a new country and left her family. How do you expect her to feel and look????? Of course she will be a little depressed. Who wouldn't?????? It's what most people would call culture shock! Sheesh! :wallbash:
I think you should not try to impress anyone with your success, and should not deny A the possibility of being homesick, or the need to adopt to new life/new country, or the understandable discomfort from changing her life and lifestyle and moving from her home to someone else's home, and the need to share the home with a man. You should also stop dominating her, and stop forcing her to do things. There is nothing masculine or "alpha-" in dominance over weak and dependent. If you are a real man, you would not need to do that. I hope you are.
Otherwise, this will not do any good neither to her, nor to you in a long-term.
Just shows that you know absolutely nothing about how I feelut this Ranetka!!! Personally, I too do not approve of Billy's relationship with so young a lady but guess what? it's his thread and his life. I think you guys have already stated your feelings about how you all feel yet you keep on posting the same old drivel. It's gotten so old already. Get over it!!!!
Are you kidding me Mies?????? The lady just moved half way around the world to a new country and left her family. How do you expect her to feel and look????? Of course she will be a little depressed. Who wouldn't?????? It's what most people would call culture shock! Sheesh! :wallbash:
Actually, the first few weeks of culture shock are the "euphoric phases" when everything is wonderful and exciting. The gruelling part of culture shock, the deep homesickness, frustration, depression, etc... comes much later. A should not be at this stage the first week or two after arriving.
Oh, girls, come on - to me she looks perfectly fine and happy about the shopping ;) You don't really know her, don't forget about that. After all, Billy didn't kidnap her and take to the USA in the trunk of his car - she willingly married (or is gonna marry?) this man, so she does have some issues (love or something else - we'll never know ;) ) of her own to do that, don't you think so?she looks happy about shopping on all 5 photos? :)
You seem to want to be Billys Knight in shinning armour.
Personally, I too do not approve of Billy's relationship with so young a lady but guess what? it's his thread and his life. I think you guys have already stated your feelings about how you all feel yet you keep on posting the same old drivel. It's gotten so old already. Get over it!!!!
Actually, the first few weeks of culture shock are the "euphoric phase" when everything is wonderful and exciting. The gruelling part of culture shock, the deep homesickness, frustration, depression, etc... comes much later. A should not be at this stage the first week or two after arriving.
Agree, none should experience culture shock so soon. However, some RW never feel culture shock (e. g., my ex-wife), and some quickly (my Cossack woman). Many variables including family values, language, robustness of the relationship, attention and support received, commitment to her decision, etc.
True, some women don't seem to go through it, yet some will go through it even if all the variables are ideal and you would not expect it to be so bad. You never can tell :o
Having experienced my own culture shock when moving to some starkly foreign settings, I can attest that the concept is real and can evoke more than shock, including depression. The best cure was talking with peers who had preceded me and were now well adjusted.
For me, it was doing some activities which were familiar. This included simply going to see an English or French-language movie once a week.
Guys, I'm worried about Billy! Why did he disappear from the forum?! Hmmmm, and I told that that ball-grabbing technique was dangerous!!!
Guys, I'm worried about Billy! Why did he disappear from the forum?! Hmmmm, and I told that that ball-grabbing technique was dangerous!!!Only if the grabber is a virgin Nat. ;)
The sign on top says "If you daughter ever asks you why she needs to study" show her this picture.
The sigh on the bottom says "If your son ever asks you why he needs to study" show him this picture.
The sign on top says "If you daughter ever asks you why she needs to study" show her this picture. The sigh on the bottom says "If your son ever asks you why he needs to study" show him this picture.For the gossip-minded, the photo shows a rather well-known age-gap (30 years) couple ;):
58-year-old Flavio Briatore married the 28-year-old 'Wonderbra' model Elisabetta Gregoraci, on 14 June 2008. The driver of the bridal car was Fernando Alonso. Gregoraci gave birth to their son Falco Nathan in Nice, France on 18 March 2010.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flavio_Briatore
So some very hot ladies seem to like older, greying, fat guys who have had stomach operations. Hope for everyone??Only provided you have some assets ;D. Among other things, Briatore owns with other partners the Billionaire Resort and Club (http://www.billionairelife.com/) on the exclusive Sardinian Costa Smeralda - the name says it all :D.
Or..............maybe she got really smart in a ciuple of weeks, and decided that Billy Boy ain't worth the effort, that the "Disney Effect" has worn off...and Ukraine, and a local guy ain't so bad after all! Also, if Billy's words, deeds, etc., were correct, just maybe his first, or second marriage would have been successful.
That is a bit crass.. Even some of his biggest opponents in thought have wished them well.
Has been 10 days though, for BillyB an eternity, so does make one wonder.
Maybe just out and about having fun.
I would think billy not being here is a good sign for him.
Oh - and what's this about ball-grabbing??? Do I need to go back and read this thread again.... really?
Please tell me there are no photos! :-[
I've been away (and busy) and had not caught up with the fact that Billy's girl had arrived.
No matter what anyone thinks of Billy (including me) I hope this works out for them both. Stranger things have happened... but I'd like to wish him (them) all the best.
Oh - and what's this about ball-grabbing??? Do I need to go back and read this thread again.... really?
Please tell me there are no photos! :-[
Billy, by "playful" I meant her facial expression. In her old photos from Ukraine/Lybia she looks self-confident and playful. In her new photos from USA she no longer looks this way. She looks somewhat subdued, reserved, or sad, or maybe tired.
If you didn't notice it, it means that either you cannot read women and don't know/understand women that well as you are trying to convince everyone on this board, or that you choose to ignore obvious signs.
A did cry once when she was talking like a teenager instead of like a mature woman while debating me
Now there you go, like stating the obvious and all.......))))
Have you forgotten she IS a teenager? lol
Now there you go, like stating the obvious and all.......))))
I am sure he was not and your post was spot on ;)
I was not sure if BillyB was joking. Decided he probably was not.
She bites, she scatches, she doesn't care about me and she's totally out of control. She also farts more than 5 times a day and it stinks. Sometimes while sitting on the couch she'll just come over and bite my toes. My hands, legs and face are scratched up and I've got teeth marks on me. That kitten A and I adopted is wild.BillyB, you should have put the last sentence at the beginning - when I started reading, I first thought you were listing A's most endearing qualities :D.
That's great news! :clapping:
Congratulations on your marriage and Happy New Year to A and yourself! :flowers:
She bites, she scatches, she doesn't care about me and she's totally out of control. Sometimes while sitting on the couch she'll just come over and bite my toes. My hands, legs and face are scratched up and I've got teeth marks on me.veterinarians say that fixing usually helps in such circumstances.
veterinarians say that fixing usually helps in such circumstances.
;D
Getting the cat fixed or getting Billy fixed?
How long did it take from your initial marriage application to the actual marriage?
veterinarians say that fixing usually helps in such circumstances.
I know how important a church wedding was to A. Have you discussed whether it will be an Orthodox wedding or not??? If it is I'd suggest you wear comfortable shoes. 8)
Please do post pics of the "big" wedding when you have it.
... All animals are fixed before being put up for adoption by animal shelters.
I can only imagine how wild the kitten would be if she was not fixed. :o
Congratulations Billy! I'm very happy for you!
~Simoni
:ROFL:
Great photos Billy but I thought you were not going to post any explicit ones.
The pics are nice, man. Why no safety glasses/goggles during the rebar sort?
Did you guys get to see any of the show in Vegas at all? Cirque Du Soleil? 'O's the best of the 4...wish she would've seen it. We just saw OVO in Sta Monica last Saturday and the MJ tour next weekend, then Totem in San Diego in April. I love these shows...and I've literally seen them all. So many Russians in these tours.
Back stream several pics, someone noted that A looked pretty sad in her USA pics.
I think recent pic I3 sort of confirms that sadness. 8)
Please try to do something to cheer her up.
Please try to do something to cheer her up.
I cannot happen by notice that girls with 1" nails love collecting metal scrapes and get very happy whenever they get such chance :P
Besides a honeymoon in Vegas, I had my birthday there too. I learned A is like most FSU women I've dated or had relationships with. They are cheap and wouldn't even spend a dime to buy me a birthday present. Instead they just give themselves totally and unconditionally...something they do nearly everyday anyway. Nothing different or special. RW get failing marks for originality. Maybe a RW reading this can give me a satisfactory answer on why her body is an adaquate birthday present?You are spoiled :)
You are spoiled :)
But you gave me an idea - I will give a gift of myself once a month and in March(my hubbys Bday) I will just make it special so he feels like its a great Bday gift lol
You are spoiled :)
But you gave me an idea - I will give a gift of myself once a month and in March(my hubbys Bday) I will just make it special so he feels like its a great Bday gift lol
Nice dress, Billy :)
Besides a honeymoon in Vegas, I had my birthday there too. I learned A is like most FSU women I've dated or had relationships with. They are cheap and wouldn't even spend a dime to buy me a birthday present. Instead they just give themselves totally and unconditionally...something they do nearly everyday anyway. Nothing different or special. RW get failing marks for originality. Maybe a RW reading this can give me a satisfactory answer on why her body is an adaquate birthday present?
Well, in some individual cases a woman may indeed believe that her body is already an adequate present
"Maybe a RW reading this can give me a satisfactory answer on why her body is an adaquate birthday present?"
WTF?
Maybe you can give us a satisfactory answer as to why the ***K her body in not an adequate present?
"Maybe a RW reading this can give me a satisfactory answer on why her body is an adaquate birthday present?"
WTF?
Maybe you can give us a satisfactory answer as to why the ***K her body in not an adequate present?
and just like that Billy got from point A where he was ridiculed to point B where he is envied. A magical power of a Russian woman. 8)
Actually, he's still at point A for some of us ;D:)
He is at point C for me. I don't feel a need to ridicule him and don't feel a need to envy him. I just hope they both are happy and have a long and happy marriage.Definitely agree with this. Its too bad that some others just can't seem to move on..... :rolleyes:
Thank you for posting wonderful pictures Billy!
Well, in some individual cases a woman may indeed believe that her body is already an adequate present for life, so that she does not have to make any more efforts. I cannot tell how often these cases may take place, though.
On the reasons why a woman may not put a great care to get a b-day present, again, it can vary a lot.
One reason that I can think of would be the fact that the woman does not have any earnings, she does not make any money with which she could buy a gift to her husband. The woman may think that it is not quite right to buy him a present from the money that he earns. He could have bought it himself, and enjoy it, right?
Some women me think that a present is worth only when the person is not able to buy this thing himself. That's why for some people it is hell complicated to get a present for someone who has far more financial possibilities than the prospective gift giver.
For couples who are on about an equal footing in terms of earning power, it may be had to chose an approptriate present. I would not want to get in a situation when I gave something, and my gift is put somewhere in the far corner of the closet and forgotten. A woman should somehow know what presents options does she have. Some access to the wishlist should be allowed :)
Last but not least, in the families who are used to be not well off financially there might be simply no usage of giving gifts, because of their scarce means. I have seen a number of Russians who are relatively alien to the whole thing of gifts giving.
and just like that Billy got from point A where he was ridiculed to point B where he is envied. A magical power of a Russian woman. 8)
He is at point C for me. I don't feel a need to ridicule him and don't feel a need to envy him. I just hope they both are happy and have a long and happy marriage.
At this point in my life I'm confident I can catch a better woman that will "wow" people than guys who are rich, powerful and/or famous.
I must be self-centered. I can honestly say I was never concerned about impressing anyone but myself.
Billy, I've been fairly silent through this thread and your saga. I want to offer you congratulations, sincerely so. May you enjoy a long and happy life together.
I don't find women to amaze other people but I learned that is generally what happens after I find a woman.
She beats me in beauty but I beat her in brains...
and just like that Billy got from point A where he was ridiculed to point B where he is envied. A magical power of a Russian woman. 8)What makes you think I don't have equal or better? Because I don't post it all over the internet?
What makes you think I don't have equal or better? Because I don't post it all over the internet?
What makes you think I don't have equal or better? Because I don't post it all over the internet?
Speaking about posting all over the internet...
Here's a priceless post from Billy a few years back.
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Re: Belarus trip report with photos!
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 03:53:46 PM »
... I understand you're happy about your pride and joy but you might want to hold back on some of the details. I seen an incident where a guy lost his fiancee based on what he said on the internet.
no offense, JR. I was ironical.No prob Mies, I took it jokingly )))
;)
Speaking about posting all over the internet...
Here's a priceless post from Billy a few years back.
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Re: Belarus trip report with photos!
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 03:53:46 PM »
... I understand you're happy about your pride and joy but you might want to hold back on some of the details. I seen an incident where a guy lost his fiancee based on what he said on the internet.
I want to clarify that my goal isn't to impress anybody either. I'm doing this for myself.
Sheeeesh, RWD can be so impolite at times. Do people actually talk in person to others in this manner?
Nope. Only on the internet where they can hide behind their anonymity (or their "mine's bigger" Shelby). . .
...I, for one, will not be congratulating Billy no matter which of the above it turns out to be because his original method of contacting/grooming an underage girl disgust and repulse me as are the overtones of control....
Ade, however much this relationship "disgusts and repulses you," A was not legally underage when Billy first contacted her. She turned 19 a few months ago, and Billy has known her rather less than two years if you read this thread from the start. She was therefore at least 17 at time of first contact.
The age of consent in Ukraine is 16, as it is in Norway, New Zealand and much of the rest of the world, including most states of the U.S.A. (only 13 out of the 50 have an age limit as high as 18). In addition, travelling citizens of the U.S.A. also have an age limit of 16 for consensual sex, or 12 if the age gap is less than four years (and don't worry about me, I think 12 is WAAAAAY too young, even if the other participant IS not much older).
We don't know whether or not Billy had sex with A when they first met (and I don't want to know), but legality doesn't come into it. Morality, especially for many on this forum, does. Of course the way that Billy ended up with A is way different from anything that anyone else on this forum could come up with - that may be why there are so many "anti" comments. I personally wouldn't go chasing anyone remotely near that age but, if it's not illegal, and both parties are happy, then leave them be.
As for Billy and his bride. It's early days yet. There were always 3 main possibilities or variations on them that were most likely; 1) she was as nutty as him, therefore a good match, 2) she's a GCG biding her time for the sting, 3) she's a confused young girl groomed for this as much by her dysfunctional mother as by Billy.
So now you've grown tired of just bashing Billy and are going to start in on his wife. I don't think so. A doesn't post here and as such is off limits.
Your words about A are cold, cruel and cowardly. A real gentleman would never say such things about another man's wife.
:rolleyes: Dude, grow up.
So now you've grown tired of just bashing Billy and are going to start in on his wife. I don't think so. A doesn't post here and as such is off limits.
Your words about A are cold, cruel and cowardly. A real gentleman would never say such things about another man's wife.
:ROFL:
Well put Steve. It appears you know Ade pretty well.
I never mentioned anything about legality although you must have read in this thread that it is debatable if he was, in fact, abiding by the laws of his own state.
The age of majority in most countries is at least 18. That is the point at which children legally become adults. A was not legally an adult when Billy started his communication with her, not in my country, in his, or in hers, therefore, as far as I'm concerned, she was underage wrt relationships with a middle aged man whether it was technically illegal or not.
Speaking about posting all over the internet...
Here's a priceless post from Billy a few years back.
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Re: Belarus trip report with photos!
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 03:53:46 PM »
... I understand you're happy about your pride and joy but you might want to hold back on some of the details. I seen an incident where a guy lost his fiancee based on what he said on the internet.
The age of consent in Ukraine is 16,
Yes, as far as you are concerned.
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"1. Совершение развратных действий в отношении лица, не достигшего шестнадцатилетнего возраста, - наказываются ограничением свободы на срок до пяти лет или лишением свободы на тот же срок."
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Uh Huh. I think it's pretty obvious that it's my opinion. Except of course for those tedious little facts like the one where A was legally a child when he contacted her. The fact that they married afterwards does not lessen that fact, IMO...
...Mark Davies and his wife are irrelevant. Or at least may be...
Perhaps, to counter that Mark and Anna fact, you would like me to dig up a few relationships that involved middle aged men and teenagers that were abusive and/or failed miserably?...
Anyway, I was just about done with this thread and my latest posts were only a response to Gator's "eat crow" post and Steve's :rolleyes: silly one. Everything I've said here, I've said before, what's done is done, yada, yada. Time will tell and all of that.
Get your facts right Ade - she may have been a minor, but she was definitely NOT a "child" in common law terms: as far as the USA is concerned (which everyone seems to be using as the yardstick here), that applies only to someone fourteen or under.
The UN Convention on the Rights of the Child, ratified by the UK government in 1991, states that a child “means every human being below the age of eighteen years unless, under the law applicable to the child, majority is attained earlier.” (Article 1, Convention on the Rights of the Child (http://www2.ohchr.org/english/law/crc.htm), 1989)
That is my point!
:deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse: :deadhorse:
Anyway, I was just about done with this thread and my latest posts were only a response to Gator's "eat crow" post ...
... there is this little "hour glass" in his wife's head set to 2 years and one day!!! Anyway, sometime very soon, he will be paying the piper!
Such spiffing logic. Hard to argue with that eloquent post.
:rolleyes:
Speaking about posting all over the internet...
Here's a priceless post from Billy a few years back.
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Re: Belarus trip report with photos!
« Reply #1 on: June 05, 2008, 03:53:46 PM »
... I understand you're happy about your pride and joy but you might want to hold back on some of the details. I seen an incident where a guy lost his fiancee based on what he said on the internet.
Just curious Mies - :offtopic: In this sense, what is the difference between "loss of liberty" and imprisonment? Is home detention an option under this law, or does it mean something else?
Also, back closer to the topic, does this law cover consensual sex where one (or both) is under 16, or is it only for actual sexual assaults and rape?
You don't think this Billythe[Legend] is one [GodsGiftToWomen], who needs to find out who this half Chinese half Mexican [Dos Equis Drinker] really is?Nice to see that your true colors are finally shinning through Globetrotter. :clapping:
[size=78%]Daveman: yeah, edits are mine... this is just a discussion forum... [/size] normally I post links to the ToS and Guidelines for Civil Discourse, but I feel confident everyone participating in this thread are already well aware of those.
Yes, true colors, absolutely, who does not support a narcisstic baby chaser, and one who (Billyboy) gives everyone in MOB a really bad name. Just a question for you: How do you feel about FSU sex tourists? Would you support one of these if he were posting on this board? Do you support anyone and everyone because he is here posting, or do you support those who provide good and valuable information. Yea Bucko, see my true colors...as I now see yours!Keep going Globetrotter. You are showing us all how truely ignorant and racist you really are!!!!!
Do you actually believe what he [ed. BillyB] writes??????????????
Gator, think twice
before you side with such a character.
OK folks. Fair Warning.
You have 24 hours to make whatever closing comments you wish to make in this topic, and subject to the same sort of interventions we (me and the RWD Moderators) have found it necessary to make in this topic in the past. After that time, this topic will be closed. Should Billy wish to offer updates, he is fully aware of how to open a new topic at the appropriate time.
- Dan
Ade...................can I please have that honour?
I am not a lawyer, and do not feel knowledgeable enough to interpret the laws. However, I can give a shot in answering your questions:
...If a victim has not matured physically, both article 155 and 156 are applied, - if the victim gave their consent. If the victim is underage, and did not give consent - the offender is convicted of both rape/assault (article 152) and molestation of underage (art.155, 156). Rape of adult leads to imprisonment for up to 5 years, rape of underage leads to imprisonment for up to 12 years. I do not know if in Ukraine jail terms under different articles are added or the longest one is applied.
OK folks. Fair Warning.
You have 24 hours to make whatever closing comments you wish to make in this topic, and subject to the same sort of interventions we (me and the RWD Moderators) have found it necessary to make in this topic in the past. After that time, this topic will be closed. Should Billy wish to offer updates, he is fully aware of how to open a new topic at the appropriate time.
- Dan
I will refer to the 18 yo as “A” from now on. I met A on the dating site Bride.ru. She's blond, blue eyed and stands 183 cm/6 ft when in high heals. She is living in Libya but her profile is based out of Europe.
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On the boat cruise, mom looked at me and asked “Bill, why did you write my daughter when she was 17 yo?”. I told her “I wrote to many ladies without reading their profiles. Some ladies were older than I. A happened to be 17 and I even stopped writing your daughter because she was young and I wasn't sure that she's serious”. Mom looked at A and said “I kill you!” She looks at me and said “Some Libyan doctors asked for my permission to marry my daughter but I don't want my daughter to marry a Muslim because they will lock her in the house. Many European men on the beach ask me for permission to go with my daughter and many give them their phone numbers. I wished my daughter to find a man close to me and no further than Europe.” A proudly said “It's true, I have a stack of phone numbers at home” while spreading her fingers 2 inches/5 cm to show how much phone numbers she has. Then she quickly said “I don't call those men though.” so that I wouldn't be upset. I smiled and said "Don't worry, I'm not jealous."
For the record and quoting the man himself:
Perhaps it would be fitting if Billy closed it with yet another idiotic comment?
FWIW, and in the spirit of openness, I'd like to say that my wife and I have attempted to find Billy's bride on various sites, unfortunately without success as yet. But, if we ever do find her, we will, without malice or any other comment, point her to this thread. I think it is the only fair, honest and morale thing to do.
I encourage everyone else to do the same given the opportunity.
As has been stated by others:Shocking.
1) It is the generally accepted policy here to wish all married persons well; even as we previously disagreed about whether they should or shouldn't.
2) It is the generally accepted policy to avoid attacking spouses who are not participating members.
And those who would actively seek to destroy a marriage . . . .