2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[BillyB]

3.  And the BIG STORY - uncovering another example of mainstream news media failing to do its job because of bias against the right.
 

We have not witnessed media bias the last 5 years. They have changed. The media is part of a sinister plot.


I've been saying the virus was made in a lab last year and shown expert testimony. The virus has not been found in an animal or even meat. China, WHO, the left, most scientists reviewing China approved documents pertaining to the origins of the virus and the media all agreed there's no way the virus can be created in a lab. They would not budge from that or even agree the virus may have been created in a lab. What was Fauci's position? He was silent.


 Why so many countries, health organizations, media  and scientists push that lie? It's mind boggling that so many people will lie like that. It's mind boggling how many of them want to cover up election fraud too. They want to use propaganda so we don't know the truth about anything that goes on around us. What's their goal? I don't think they have good intentions.

[BillyB]

Fact checking site removes their report that said virus leaked from Wuhan lab is a debunked conspiracy. Polls, fact checking sites and mainstream media hasn't had our best interest in years. They promote fake news. The more we learn about the virus and it's origins, the better prepared we could be but they don't care about truth. The people of the world keeps getting lied to.




PolitiFact removes 2020 report stating theory that COVID leaked for Wuhan lab 'debunked conspiracy' | Just The News

[Grumpy]

There’s people on community boards who are saying, “Oh, it’s no big deal, it’s only 0.4 percent of the population who dies.” But if that’s you, that kind of matters, right? Or if it’s your husband or if it’s your mother. Numbers don’t mean anything when it’s real, and this is real.

http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2021/05/why-some-vaccinated-people-wont-listen-to-the-cdc-on-masks.html

[BillyB]

There are people like myself that factored age and health and figured we have an excellent chance of survival if we got the virus so we wait for more safety testing to be done on the current vaccines. I am not anti vaccine.


There is a movement that is becoming anti vaccine. As more evidence America sent money to the Wuhan lab and China destroyed those documents, people suspect our country funded the creation of COVID and they suspect it was released on purpose to affect an election without care of killing people and damaging our economy. If true our government did that, then they are sinister so why would anybody trust the government that created a virus to hurt us when they tell us to take a vaccine for it?

[BC]

Fact checking site removes their report that said virus leaked from Wuhan lab is a debunked conspiracy. Polls, fact checking sites and mainstream media hasn't had our best interest in years. They promote fake news. The more we learn about the virus and it's origins, the better prepared we could be but they don't care about truth. The people of the world keeps getting lied to.

It is listed in their http://www.politifact.com/corrections-and-updates/ section.  "Currently, we consider the claim to be unsupported by evidence and in dispute."

http://www.politifact.com/li-meng-yan-fact-check/

Scientific consensus regarding this topic has not changed.  Fact checker and news media sites usually have a corrections and retraction sections.  An example of such including apology, not intended to change the topic:

http://www.newsmax.com/newsfront/eric-coomer-dominion-voting-systems/2021/04/30/id/1019671/

[BillyB]

100 years from now, the experts may look back to this time and wonder why we were so stupid due to fear and panic to be injecting experimental vaccines into our and our children's bodies. They will be puzzled that the previous strategy against prior pandemics never called for vaccinating everybody in the world and certainly not vaccinating strong people with healthy immune systems. The previous strategies worked! Why a drastic change in game plan against COVID? Future medical scientists may work on a solution to fix their compromised immune systems they inherited from us. We simply won't know the results of injecting experimental vaccines into the masses until years from now.

Here's a doctor that is warning the university that his daughter is going to. It is a religious based university that is mandating all students to get vaccinated.

http://rumble.com/vhe88b-what-is-in-the-covid-19-vaccines-with-doctor-jim-meehan.html

[BC]

BillyB,

your ability to predict the future weeks and months in advance has failed you over and over.  Why should anyone give this one, 100 years out any weight at all.  It is much more probable that in 20 years vaccines of similar types will be given to fight and prevent cancer and more.

[Maxx2]

Oregon says get vaccinated and have proof or you can't enter workplaces, business and churches without wearing a mask.


The Left is so totalitarian.



http://www.theepochtimes.com/mkt_morningbrief/oregon-first-state-to-require-vaccination-proof-for-maskless-entry-into-businesses-workplaces-and-churches_3825230.html?utm_source=morningbriefnoe&utm_medium=email2&utm_campaign=mb-2021-05-22&mktids=6edf554df7ba65a4613234a901da7ceb&est=zSLDC%2F2nxdl7DaO2FlcW8%2FIb%2F%2FROfr%2Fbqyi15PJnyI%2BpzilrCzNog7atUJQLlKmo

[BC]

Many cities in Germany also require rapid tests within the last 24 hours to enter stores, restaurants etc.  Tests are free, available near shopping and other public areas.  For those that don't have the patience to wait in line a bit, appointments can be scheduled online, results emailed to you in 15 mins.

[BC]

In Italy, it'll be masks in public places for another month or so.  Curfews and freedom of movement are being extended and folks preparing for tourist season, with numbers promising for a normal tourist season.  Also those fully vaccinated should be able to get their 'green pass' next month for EU/international travel.  Won't be a requirement though.  Those not vaccinated can use covid tests for crossing borders and such.

[BillyB]

BillyB,

your ability to predict the future weeks and months in advance has failed you over and over.  Why should anyone give this one, 100 years out any weight at all.  It is much more probable that in 20 years vaccines of similar types will be given to fight and prevent cancer and more.

It's comforting to know that experimental vaccines that do not have government approval to use on humans have your stamp of approval. Your family's next experimental vaccine shot is coming out in a few months. Keep injecting.

[BC]

It is government approved here BillyB, nothing experimental at all. All phases of trials were completed prior to allowing commercial manufacture, distribution and use.  A decade of research and studies of mRNA vaccines is the backbone.  COVID-19 is a mere tweak.

New, for sure but every product is at one time or another new.  Every year new flu shot combinations come out and you didn't raise a fuss.

You have a choice of other proven vaccine alternatives, or to use none at all.  No no need to complain about others getting it.

[BillyB]

All phases of trials were completed prior to allowing commercial manufacture, distribution and use.

Where did you get your information from? I put out vaccine manufacture and FDA documents. There are tests that are ongoing and aren't concluded. There are safety tests that take years to conclude when making new vaccines and medicines. Have years passed by? By the time this vaccine has been fully tested, there won't be a need for it because they will be giving you and your family another newly designed experimental vaccine for the variants. It'll be a cycle without an end.


Also, no government approved the vaccine for use on humans. They gave emergency use authorization. I understand people 80 yo and up have a much higher chance of dying from COVID so they need an emergency vaccine. Kids and young adults are not in danger and there is no emergency for them. Prior to COVID, it would be a crime to give healthy people experimental vaccines. Now it's legalized.


With treatments using existing medicines proven safe available, there isn't a need for vaccines on healthy people who have almost no chance in dying from COVID.


I understand many people feel that if everybody takes the vaccine, we can slow the spread and slow the mutations of the virus. Listen to what the French Nobel Peace Prize virologist said. With everybody taking a vaccine, the current virus will learn to beat it by mutating. Vaccines don't kill viruses instantly. They only elevate our immune system. So the virus can infect a vaccinated person and like the Frenchman said, the virus can learn to beat it by mutating.


Most people has an immune system that can beat the virus and then creating some level of immunity for the future. Our immune systems do what the vaccine does but naturally. In past epidemics and pandemics, the best scientific minds did not conclude everybody in the world needed to be vaccinated. We are trying something new with new experimental vaccines. Alarming because it could be disastrous for humanity if they're wrong. Maybe there is only a 5% chance they are wrong but if they are wrong, it will lead to massive depopulation. It's a gamble and we are gambling with lives.

[BC]

Where did you get your information from? I put out vaccine manufacture and FDA documents. There are tests that are ongoing and aren't concluded. There are safety tests that take years to conclude when making new vaccines and medicines. Have years passed by? By the time this vaccine has been fully tested, there won't be a need for it because they will be giving you and your family another newly designed experimental vaccine for the variants. It'll be a cycle without an end.

Your reading and comprehension skills need some tuning BillyB.  Hint:

It is government approved here BillyB

Also, no government approved the vaccine for use on humans. They gave emergency use authorization. I understand people 80 yo and up have a much higher chance of dying from COVID so they need an emergency vaccine. Kids and young adults are not in danger and there is no emergency for them. Prior to COVID, it would be a crime to give healthy people experimental vaccines. Now it's legalized.

Wrong.

http://www.epicentro.iss.it/vaccini/covid-19-sviluppo-valutazione-approvazione

A conditional authorization is not an emergency use authorization, which some countries use (for example, the United States or the United Kingdom) to allow the temporary use of an unauthorized medicine in emergency situations. An emergency authorization is not in fact an authorization for the marketing of the product.

A conditional authorization, on the other hand, represents in all respects a formal authorization: in the case of vaccines against COVID-19, it concerns the batches produced for the EU and is the most appropriate tool to guarantee access to a vaccine for all European citizens simultaneously and support mass vaccination campaigns.

With treatments using existing medicines proven safe available, there isn't a need for vaccines on healthy people who have almost no chance in dying from COVID.

You'll change your mind quickly when they tell you goodnight and shove a tube down your throat.

I understand many people feel that if everybody takes the vaccine, we can slow the spread and slow the mutations of the virus. Listen to what the French Nobel Peace Prize virologist said. With everybody taking a vaccine, the current virus will learn to beat it by mutating. Vaccines don't kill viruses instantly. They only elevate our immune system. So the virus can infect a vaccinated person and like the Frenchman said, the virus can learn to beat it by mutating.

Like everyone, even Nobel Laureates jointly sharing a prize in Physiology or Medicine with others (not Peace Prize BTW), are entitled to their opinions. You seem to enjoy picking out the opinions of the few that believe in the man-made coronavirus laboratory theory rather than overall consensus of scientists that are actively studying and developing mRNA vaccines for this type of virus. Your new pal seems strangely similar to your Pulitzer friend.  Controversial, unproven theories and patent disputes.   

Most people has an immune system that can beat the virus and then creating some level of immunity for the future. Our immune systems do what the vaccine does but naturally. In past epidemics and pandemics, the best scientific minds did not conclude everybody in the world needed to be vaccinated. We are trying something new with new experimental vaccines. Alarming because it could be disastrous for humanity if they're wrong. Maybe there is only a 5% chance they are wrong but if they are wrong, it will lead to massive depopulation. It's a gamble and we are gambling with lives.

Is that your opinion, or submission of facts?  If the former, I'll ignore, if the latter, I may respond with a rebuttal.

[BillyB]

http://www.epicentro.iss.it/vaccini/covid-19-sviluppo-valutazione-approvazione

Your government gave it 'conditional' marketing authorization. It's not fully approved. Read you link. I translated it. The first sentence in the link said vaccine development takes 7-10 years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that current COVID vaccines have not been through all the safety tests because 7-10 years have not passed.


Safety of vaccines aren't the main concerns of the 3 experts I talked about upthread. They talk about substituting our healthy immune systems for vaccines will weaken our natural defenses...permanently which can lead to mass deaths. Think using steroids for years instead of allowing your body to produce hormones naturally and later your body fails to produce male hormones so you grow tits. Also vaccinating healthy people will allow the virus to learn how to beat vaccines and become more powerful.

[BC]

Your government gave it 'conditional' marketing authorization. It's not fully approved. Read you link. I translated it. The first sentence in the link said vaccine development takes 7-10 years. You don't have to be a rocket scientist to understand that current COVID vaccines have not been through all the safety tests because 7-10 years have not passed.

8th grade reading comprehension.  Try again:

A conditional authorization is not an emergency use authorization, which some countries use (for example, the United States or the United Kingdom) to allow the temporary use of an unauthorized medicine in emergency situations. An emergency authorization is not in fact an authorization for the marketing of the product.

A conditional authorization, on the other hand, represents in all respects a formal authorization: in the case of vaccines against COVID-19, it concerns the batches produced for the EU and is the most appropriate tool to guarantee access to a vaccine for all European citizens simultaneously and support mass vaccination campaigns.

Safety of vaccines aren't the main concerns of the 3 experts I talked about upthread. They talk about substituting our healthy immune systems for vaccines will weaken our natural defenses...permanently which can lead to mass deaths. Think using steroids for years instead of allowing your body to produce hormones naturally and later your body fails to produce male hormones so you grow tits. Also vaccinating healthy people will allow the virus to learn how to beat vaccines and become more powerful.

History does not support your, or their hypothesis.  Are we plagued with smallpox today?  Was after all our first vaccine.

[BillyB]

Do you know what 'conditional' means? Nowhere in your link does it say your government concluded the vaccine satisfied every safety test on humans. There's an ongoing test on the entire population right now! Who knows what we will discover in 7-10 years?

[BC]

It is defined unequivocally BillyB.  For the third and last time:

A conditional authorization represents in all respects a formal authorization

[BillyB]

It is defined unequivocally BillyB.  For the third and last time:

A conditional authorization represents in all respects a formal authorization

You conveniently left out The conditional authorization is in fact based on less complete data than those required for a “normal” approval and marketing procedure.[/size]

[BC]

Nothing 'convenient' nor omitted.  You were given the link to the full text.

Your assertion:   "no government approved the vaccine for use on humans."

So now you want to try and move imaginary goalposts to cover your fallacious statements?

The definition of 'conditional' means annual reports are required to maintain authorized status for the production, distribution and commercial use.

Again, from the article: 

A conditional authorization is not an emergency use authorization, which some countries use (for example, the United States or the United Kingdom) to allow the temporary use of an unauthorized medicine in emergency situations.

Once more, you err.  Do the homework so you fully comprehend the context and build a better understanding of what is really going on.

[BillyB]

BC, are you allowed to sue the government and big pharma if you discover next year your immune system is now weaken which significantly increases your chance of death on the next wave of coronavirus variants? Are your daughters allowed to sue if they learn they can't have children or they can have children but they will have birth defects? Reproductive toxicity studies haven't been concluded. Even those who volunteered to be test subjects in the development of mRNA vaccines were told to not have unprotected sex for at least 30 days after their shot. Read the manual I posted upthread. They just do not know yet exactly what it will do our reproductive systems. It's irresponsible for our government to issue experimental vaccines for fully healthy young adults and kids. SARS which came out in 2003 had vaccines development and still after all this time, no vaccine was approved for use. SARS is more deadly than the current virus yet our best scientific medic minds back then did not have a vaccinate everybody in the world policy. They were able to beat SARS with other methods.

http://www.who.int/health-topics/severe-acute-respiratory-syndrome#tab=tab_3


Senator Rand Paul who is trying to learn if America funded the creation of the virus said he has not been presented evidence yet that vaccines are better than our own natural immune systems.

[BC]

BillyB,

Governments have granted immunity to pharma for vaccines in general, not just for COVID 19 vaccines.  In fact, this is in the contracts governments signed off on when purchasing the vaccine.

Here, when getting the vaccine:

1. you make an appointment.  At that time you are given a questionnaire regarding your health conditions and advised of any possible adverse reactions.  Both contain specific questions and information for women, including pregnancy, breast feeding etc.

2. you go to the appointment and wait to be called to speak with a doctor regarding the information you provided and can ask questions and get explanations.  The doctor then selects the vaccine that best fits your conditions and availability.  Women who are pregnant or plan to get pregnant in the near future of course have the decision whether to vaccinate or not.  Neither the doctors nor government recommend these women take the vaccine and leave it as an individual choice.  Vaccine for young kids and infants is not approved at this time. While I was waiting, everyone was given as much time as they needed to discuss their situation with the doctor.  4-5 minutes was typical.  Maybe someone who got vaccinated in the US can give details how it is handled there. 

3. if there are any adverse effects or other health consequences, the healthcare social security and unemployment systems provide needed support for the person vaccinated or survivors at no additional cost.  I don't know how such is handled in the US, but seems there may be some issues. http://fortune.com/2021/05/03/us-covid-vaccine-side-effects-getting-medical-costs-covered/  and more here http://www.cnbc.com/2020/12/16/covid-vaccine-side-effects-compensation-lawsuit.html

As for SARS vaccines, a large number are approved including mRNA types from the same folks that now produce vaccine for COVID19. This is why most were able to quickly tweak for it and provided a basis for quicker emergency authorizations and approvals.


http://jamanetwork.com/journals/jama/fullarticle/2777059

Do read the information at the link above.  You'll find it interesting.

As for Rand Paul, well, he is entitled to his opinion.

[BillyB]

BillyB,

Governments have granted immunity to pharma for vaccines in general, not just for COVID 19 vaccines.

Let's have government remove the immunity big pharma gets and lets watch if big pharma continues to push their vaccines as safe. Big protest in Italy. No masks and no social distancing. People are tired of this virus being blown out of proportion and government control. Last year I was all for being overcautious about a new virus showing up. We've learned about it enough to understand we don't have to be afraid as much anymore and we don't need the government controls.

[GQBlues]

Good piece GQ!

Three stories:

1.  Evidence is mounting that the pandemic resulted from China's negligence in operating its Wuhan Lab.

2.  Dr. Fauci and the scientific community did not disclose conflicts of interest, and worse, may have covered up evidence. 

3.  And the BIG STORY - uncovering another example of mainstream news media failing to do its job because of bias against the right.

I remember just prior to the onset of this pandemic and Fauci went in front of Congress to testify the readiness of the US to handle any type of threat brought upon by a viral epidemic; to which he had said the US is not ready for one due to the inadequacies of supplies.


This idiot knew all along what happened in China as it is now coming to fruition he was a major player in the *gain of function* experiments going on in Wuhan. He feverishly denied the existence of the lab work, and allowed the media frenzy to make the assertion that it came from the Wuhan lab as some silly *Trump* derangement fantasy material, and obscure the facts. All the way to this mythical *Asian Hate* crime events in the US, to the ridiculous point the Democrat had to pass a law to allegedly prosecute Asian Hate crime transgressions..

Now Fauci and everyone is starting to walk back their initial denials, as factual information are starting to unravel and come forth.


http://www.wsj.com/articles/wuhan-lab-leak-question-chinese-mine-covid-pandemic-11621871125
http://www.forbes.com/sites/jonathanponciano/2021/05/23/report-wuhan-lab-staff-hospitalized-covid-19-symptoms-virus-origins/?sh=6ba1582f4bd9

http://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/555057-fauci-bombshell-not-convinced-covid-19-developed

Trump & Pompeo had been right, it seems, all along...tragic that US partisan politics prevailed over the health and safety of the American people...and even the world.

[GQBlues]

Last Friday, after wifey drove to my office to have lunch, I decided to lock up and go along with her to get her second pfizer shot. I rode along for a couple of reasons. One of course, wanted to make sure everything stays fine with wifey after getting the second dose. Secondly, curiosity always gets the better of me.

I shot a few pictures and video of her actually getting the jab.

a) The entire experience was a drive-through event. Very organized, to the point after getting the vaccine they stick a blue tape on the windshield signifying a time that constitute a 15-minute lag after the injection. She was ushered to move forward and one-by-one each car was waved off when their 15-minute marker expires.

b) The 15-minute apparently is the period when 'rare' side effects happen/s, i.e. anxiety attacks, fainting, or any other serious side effects.

c) All the personnel working on this event are black Americans. The area is predominantly 'white'. They were very courteous, polite, efficient and showed a very calming presence all throughout.

d) Vaccine card was given to the folks, and wifey decided to keep hers as proof / 'souvenir'.

Wifey felt 'tired' for the next 2 days and soreness on the side of injection. Didn't have any fever, headaches, etc...which are supposedly a common  post-vaccine reaction.

So today CDC reports there's an ongoing investigation of younger folks experiencing (suffering) of *mild* heart inflammation after the vaccine.     Have my fingers crossed!!!


http://thehill.com/changing-america/well-being/prevention-cures/555031-cdc-is-investigating-reports-of-mild-heart