Thoughts on ukrainebridesagency.com

[CDW]

I doubt very much that FP would have cry very loud to have an ANON MOD hear him. 

Every time in the past when I called FP names, I get warning from ANON MOD almost immediately lol   So obviously they are both the same person

[notforone]

Ah, so you find nothing wrong with asking a woman you haven't met and had scant conversations with on the internet to share a bed with you in a foreign country? You ask this of women you meet at home too, right?

I wouldn't do it, but I don't judge. Who am I to impose my beliefs on others? If he wants to be a sex tourist, it's his own business. The system over there supports this behavior. There is ample supply of corrupt women (girls looking to hook, be sponsored, entertained, offered travel, etc.) creating a playground for sex tourists. He was forthcoming. If she didn't like the idea, she should have stopped communication. You're missing the point, which is the credibility of the agency in question.

I'm not sure if some one would  spend around 6-10k (travel tickets for 2, hotel expenses, loss of pay etc) , travel across continents to sleep with a women 

She said she owns two houses and a flower shop. She can afford a trip to India to check him out 

[Patagonie]

I doubt very much that FP would have cry very loud to have an ANON MOD hear him. 

 

For everyone else, if this agency wants to participate and be responsible, follow a different model than PPL or PPC.  It is the same old tired relationship with the same old tired agencies in Eastern Europe.

There are too many of us here who know chapter and verse.  While you may put lipstick on a pig .....

The point is, you have to cut off any go between. These go between have no or really less control on things. Why  should you use an ausralian agency which has  ukrainian agencies as partners ?
So you don't know which agencies (first problem). You multiply costs (second problem) you delay all (third problem) and you cannot put a name on who is messing the process as a result.
The summary : use FSU agencies only or little cross cultured couple agencies (who are grounded with FSU) and cut off all this crap.
For me ppl are not really the issue as i already wrote it recently.

[Patagonie]

Keith wouldn't be the first agency owner to hobble over to this forum to defend his agency. I don't suspect he'll be the last either. He may be totally truthful in what he knows or think he knows. I've no idea either way. The fact that he did follow up where there was a complaint says something, his motivations are surely his own.

Keith, in all fairness jetMike made no insinuations that Solted was a prostitute that I saw. Those came from CDW. Which seems quite often to be his first knee jerk reaction to any new poster here telling of an encounter. I wasn't alarmed nor did I see any subsequent info that would indicate she was/is a working girl

jetMike, I too, am a bit perturbed as to your failure to mention that you're offering vacations to this gal after such a short communication. Really, is that how you ask women out for dates at home? Asking a woman on a vacation in that manner is very indicative of your intentions. If you have the experience you claim, you must know that. You come off as a sex tourist and rightfully so. Most any self respecting woman will shut you down immediately. The fact that you were in paid chat might explain why she didn't shut you down immediately. You likely made a mistake many newbies make in the thought that you have the cash and the "upper hand", that you can buy your way to success with these women when the fact is you can't. And if you do most likely it isn't the kind of woman you want unless you are in fact just a sex tourist. If your intentions are true, it's boy meets girl, no short cuts

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[AC]

I wouldn't do it, but I don't judge. Who am I to impose my beliefs on others? If he wants to be a sex tourist, it's his own business. The system over there supports this behavior. There is ample supply of corrupt women (girls looking to hook, be sponsored, entertained, offered travel, etc.) creating a playground for sex tourists. He was forthcoming. If she didn't like the idea, she should have stopped communication. You're missing the point, which is the credibility of the agency in question.

Boom! 

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, ZERO, that this "Yulia Solted" is a paid shill (translator) for the agency.  She makes money not only writing for her own profile, but that of numerous other women as well.  You summed up the lack of ethics at these agencies and the women they cater to very well.

[Faux Pas]

Every time in the past when I called FP names, I get warning from ANON MOD almost immediately lol   So obviously they are both the same person

Liar 

[Faux Pas]

I wouldn't do it, but I don't judge. Who am I to impose my beliefs on others? If he wants to be a sex tourist, it's his own business. The system over there supports this behavior. There is ample supply of corrupt women (girls looking to hook, be sponsored, entertained, offered travel, etc.) creating a playground for sex tourists. He was forthcoming. If she didn't like the idea, she should have stopped communication. You're missing the point, which is the credibility of the agency in question.

Much in the same reason you don't go a Christian bookstore looking for pornography, you don't go to a marriage agency looking for a whore. Not to say that there aren't whores at a marriage site but, if they are, they are the ones doing the deceiving.

There are, I suspect a million sites where a sex tourist can get a hook up with a whore in probably any country in the world. If he was looking for one on a marriage site then yeah, I'll judge him

[Doubleshot4UK]

Guys, Any thoughts about the info on this site ?

http://marriage-agencies-scams.com/gold-list

ukrainebridesagency is on the black list with a clear warning.....

[AC]

There are, I suspect a million sites where a sex tourist can get a hook up with a whore in probably any country in the world. If he was looking for one on a marriage site then yeah, I'll judge him

I get the feeling this jetmike character may have been doing more or less just that.  However it would be disingenuous to say that many of these "marriage" agencies do not allow or encourage such behavior, as long as they get their cut.

That said maybe he was a hopeless romantic and was going to be a Gentleman.  I am sure there are others who booked only one room for the first meeting of a woman -- but it likely happened on her home turf in Ukraine or Russia.

[Faux Pas]

Guys, Any thoughts about the info on this site ?

http://marriage-agencies-scams.com/gold-list

ukrainebridesagency is on the black list with a clear warning.....

It's bullshit. It used to be called Jim's List. They put every agency they can't find on the list and have the agency to pay them to take them off of the list. Kind of a reverse scam screwing only honest agencies. That doesn't mean all those listed are honest or dishonest, just that you can not believe what that site is trying to tell you concerning any agency because, the scam site is a scam itself

[Doubleshot4UK]

It's bullshit. It used to be called Jim's List. They put every agency they can't find on the list and have the agency to pay them to take them off of the list. Kind of a reverse scam screwing only honest agencies. That doesn't mean all those listed are honest or dishonest, just that you can not believe what what that site is trying to tell you concerning any agency because, the scam site is a scam itself

 

[Faux Pas]

I get the feeling this jetmike character may have been doing more or less just that.  However it would be disingenuous to say that many of these "marriage" agencies do not allow or encourage such behavior, as long as they get their cut.

That said maybe he was a hopeless romantic and was going to be a Gentleman.  I am sure there are others who booked only one room for the first meeting of a woman -- but it likely happened on her home turf in Ukraine or Russia.

I wouldn't venture a guess of what his intentions were either way. He wasn't completely honest about his short communications with Solted and in my mind, he crapped his credibility. It's no sweat off my brow if he want's to be a sex tourist. I have no opinion on it either way. But, seeking a relationship with a whore and a woman to marry isn't the same thing in my book. He indicated he was looking for marraige material or maybe I just misunderstood

[southernX]

jeez,

how easy it is to be scared when dealing with an agency for some blokes 

if jet had a 6 figure salary he should have a few brains to go with it ,

while it is common knowledge that you need to get the contact details from alady as soon as you can , you also need to exercise some judgement on when that time is appropriate ,

jet was taking issue with having to pay what ?an extra $30-60 bucks for more communication , if he was as experienced as he writes & he had of done due homework on how to run this venture he would have picked up it was way too soon to be offering what he did to solten /yulia

he got stuck on this not getting her info and then over analysed it , seeing scam etc etc ,
when imo it was his fault for not being reasonably patient , 2 weeks more communication would have been cheap and sufficient to make a better decision on the contacts they had

with no real reason to not  believe her, put yourself in her shoes,

she has worked hard to get ahead, has a small business , flower shop , possibly a little one near a metro or whatever , as well as 2 apartments, , so she has some savvy on how to deal with herself and others ,
we dont know her age ?

anyone who knows these girls , also knows they can smell a rat or will use their intuition often if something  doesnt seem right , suspicion is second nature to many of them , their world can be tough &you dont just trust right from the get go ... as the man  you must earn their trust, , it isnt going to be given easily in the early stages

jet you blew that with pushing too soon , you created some doubt with her , you then went for fear , and not faith , in this venture you need to have faith at times , you are the man , you need to hold steady , be the rock , build the trust,

imo there was no reason for you to react like you did ,faith &  patience would have shown you a lot more if you hadnt reacted,

learn from it , leave this lady alone as you have blown it ,
id suggest you dont try again either in this adventure , it may not be for you jet,

personally if it was my business , id do exactly as keith has done , nothing wrong there i can see or take issue with , tbh

jet may just be the sort of consumer a business finds difficult to work with , we dont know , reasonably possible though


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[AC]

I wouldn't venture a guess of what his intentions were either way. He wasn't completely honest about his short communications with Solted and in my mind, he crapped his credibility. It's no sweat off my brow if he want's to be a sex tourist. I have no opinion on it either way. But, seeking a relationship with a whore and a woman to marry isn't the same thing in my book. He indicated he was looking for marraige material or maybe I just misunderstood

I don't think you misunderstood.  I don't think he was completely honest.  He is welcome to come back and clarify.

And IMO he should just stay home and date local women; or if he wants to go to Ukraine use a different agency.  Preferably a free one.  Why anyone trusts these agencies is hard to comprehend.  Either way there is always a question, whereas if you deal directly with the lady it's easier to figure it all out.

[AC]

she has worked hard to get ahead, has a small business , flower shop , possibly a little one near a metro or whatever , as well as 2 apartments, , so she has some savvy on how to deal with herself and others ,
we dont know her age ?

And just how do you think she earned these two apartments?  Get real.  Both her and the guy were not honest, IMO.

[southernX]

And just how do you think she earned these two apartments?  Get real.  Both her and the guy were not honest, IMO.

AC , see your doing the same thing as jet assuming it all comes from corruption /prostitution

it may surprise you to know aprtments can also be inherited and bought , lol

without knowing how yulia got herself into that position your just assuming , he needed to take the time to find out , he didnt
we still dont know ,

the lady was never imo  given the benefit of trust/discovery  before she was condemmed ,

this stuff takes time to grow if he was truly looking  for a wife , he would invest himself in taking that time , if he thought she was a possible life partner 4-8 weeks isnt a long time to invest, nor is $100-200 bucks , a lot more money will be spent if he wishes to have success in the long term

now on the defensive , fear will rule his justifications for his actions imo

years ago i got given a great piece of advice, ''keep an open mind and a positive attitude '',
he nor you are doing that imo

SX

[Anotherkiwi]

It's now almost 2 AM in Ukraine, Boris.

So what?  Many businesses in the FSU don't open until 9 or 10 am, and go until 9 or 10 at night.  For anyone to still be awake at 2 am  isn't a crime.

Heck, I don't normally go to bed before 2 am, and I'm in my office by 8 or 8.30.  Not all of us need 8 hours sleep every night! 

[Boethius]

And just how do you think she earned these two apartments?  Get real.  Both her and the guy were not honest, IMO.

She probably inherited one apartment.  In that region of Ukraine, a lot of people go abroad to work, and apartments are not expensive.  It is one of the reasons the "MOB" industry barely exists there.  So, owning two apartments is not something extraordinary, certainly not something that is the result of prostitution.

[Anotherkiwi]

And just how do you think she earned these two apartments?  Get real.  Both her and the guy were not honest, IMO.

I thought some of your earlier posts were crap - this just confirms it.  At least you seem to be admitting that she's a real person - I suppose that's a start.

One of the things which I thought stood this site apart from others is that moderators normally jump on anyone who disparages another member without any proof of wrongdoing.  You and CDW have jumped in feet first, first by implying that she's not real, then that she's a prostitute, and now this little gem of yours above.

Of course, she MIGHT be a prostitute; she MIGHT be a shill for the site; she MIGHT even be a member of the Rada for all you know.  The point is that you know NOTHING at all about her, other than what you've read here, and it all started with the ravings of a disgruntled, jilted potential sex tourist.

Provide some proof of your allegations, and someone might take you seriously.  Otherwise, man up and apologise for casting unwarranted aspersions on the character of someone you don't even know.

AC , see your doing the same thing as jet assuming it all comes from corruption /prostitution

it may surprise you to know aprtments can also be inherited and bought , lol

without knowing how yulia got herself into that position your just assuming , he needed to take the time to find out , he didnt
we still dont know ,

the lady was never imo  given the benefit of trust/discovery  before she was condemmed ,

...

years ago i got given a great piece of advice, ''keep an open mind and a positive attitude '',
he nor you are doing that imo

SX

Exactly.

[AC]

Some people have some very serious reading comprehension problems.  I never once said that she was a prostitute.  I said I believe that she is a paid shill for the agency.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, ZERO, that this "Yulia Solted" is a paid shill (translator) for the agency.  She makes money not only writing for her own profile, but that of numerous other women as well.  You summed up the lack of ethics at these agencies and the women they cater to very well.

[notforone]

Much in the same reason you don't go a Christian bookstore looking for pornography, you don't go to a marriage agency looking for a whore. Not to say that there aren't whores at a marriage site but, if they are, they are the ones doing the deceiving.

You mean like the marriage sites where the moment you sign up, they throw you a million invitations for video chat from young, glamorous looking girls, let alone those that are dressed like strippers. It's a revenue model for the "marriage agencies". At best, they turn a blind eye if not outright promoting this. They prey on the newbies. I have no sympathy for the "marriage agencies". They could have as easily gotten rid of these women proactively and the prospective sex tourists (more like naive newbie in the case of Raj) would not go there or they would go and behave. But of course doing so would not be very good for business.

There is absolutely no doubt in my mind, ZERO, that this "Yulia Solted" is a paid shill (translator) for the agency.  She makes money not only writing for her own profile, but that of numerous other women as well.

She's a Boris. By the way, "she" PM'ed me at about 2am local Ukraine time yesterday to call me names 

[Faux Pas]

You mean like the marriage sites where the moment you sign up, they throw you a million invitations for video chat from young, glamorous looking girls, let alone those that are dressed like strippers. It's a revenue model for the "marriage agencies". At best, they turn a blind eye if not outright promoting this. They prey on the newbies. I have no sympathy for the "marriage agencies". They could have as easily gotten rid of these women proactively and the prospective sex tourists (more like naive newbie in the case of Raj) would not go there or they would go and behave. But of course doing so would not be very good for business.

Yeah, you probably know more about those than I do but, it wouldn't take long to it figure out, would it? It's never been any big secret that many of these agencies sell sex either literally or figuratively. It's a much bigger market than helping sincere men and women meet. Get real. There's not much room for naive and meek. If you can stand the heat, stay away from the kitchen. Those thinking they can buy their way into a relationship need to just find themselves a whore, cut out all the middlemen.

She's a Boris. By the way, "she" PM'ed me at about 2am local Ukraine time yesterday to call me names 

If you can prove that please, let's see it. It would help getting to the heart of the matter in this thread.

[Boethius]

She's a Boris. By the way, "she" PM'ed me at about 2am local Ukraine time yesterday to call me names  [/size]

A man would not do this. 

[southernX]

A man would not do this. 

bo agree ,
 it has all the hallmarks of a lady who is frustrated /angry at being treated badly & having her integrity & moral values trashed by people she doesnt know , stuck in a situation she is not able to change ,


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[AC]

A man would not do this. 

An honorable man would not do it.  Are you alleging that a man working at a marriage agency in Ukraine and pretending to be one of his female clients is honorable?