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Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« on: May 21, 2015, 02:23:55 PM »
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Authorities in Latvia have dismantled an art installation featuring a lookalike of President Vladimir Putin being crucified after complaints from the Russian Embassy, a news report said.

The open-air installation, which appeared earlier this month close to the former headquarters of the KGB in Riga, drew indignation from the Russian Embassy in the Latvian capital, which said in a Facebook post that it had sent a protest note to Latvia's Interior Ministry.

The statue showed a man with a close likeness to Putin suspended on a cross and wearing a crown of thorns, while passersby were encouraged to drive nails into it, RFE/RL reported Wednesday
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http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/latvia-removes-installation-of-crucified-putin/521973.html

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #1 on: May 21, 2015, 03:20:30 PM »
I think that effigy needs a mink coat.
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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #2 on: May 21, 2015, 05:03:49 PM »
http://www.themoscowtimes.com/news/article/latvia-removes-installation-of-crucified-putin/521973.html

Here is a photo of the statue:



What are your thoughts?


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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #3 on: May 21, 2015, 07:20:30 PM »
These Balts online preach European values, blah, balh, blah.  I am not a European, but you that are, don't you have this thing called Freedom of Speech?

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #4 on: May 21, 2015, 09:30:37 PM »
These Balts online preach European values, blah, balh, blah.  I am not a European, but you that are, don't you have this thing called Freedom of Speech?


Imagine the uproar if we had a similar display in a public square of Obama hanging from a tree, or crucified.  It would be torn down, and people would probable be prosecuted for something or another....or maybe more riots!    Obviously there are limitations to freedom of speech.


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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #5 on: May 21, 2015, 10:28:49 PM »

Imagine the uproar if we had a similar display in a public square of Obama hanging from a tree, or crucified.  It would be torn down, and people would probable be prosecuted for something or another....or maybe more riots!    Obviously there are limitations to freedom of speech.


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Well, touche . . . with all rights come responsibility

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #6 on: May 22, 2015, 01:25:41 AM »
The dummy figure is of a normal physique and not the physique of a dwarf, therefore how can the Kremlin say it represents huilo? 
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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #7 on: May 22, 2015, 06:29:22 AM »

Imagine the uproar if we had a similar display in a public square of Obama hanging from a tree, or crucified. 


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Personally, I believe that would be a matter for celebration in many places.  ;)


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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #8 on: May 22, 2015, 06:36:46 AM »

Imagine the uproar if we had a similar display in a public square of Obama hanging from a tree, or crucified.  It would be torn down, and people would probable be prosecuted for something or another....or maybe more riots!    Obviously there are limitations to freedom of speech.


Fathertime!   

That would fall under hate crime.


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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #9 on: May 22, 2015, 07:27:58 AM »

Personally, I believe that would be a matter for celebration in many places.  ;)


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I am not offended.  Its free speech.  Are you afraid of speech?

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #10 on: May 22, 2015, 08:12:19 AM »

Imagine the uproar if we had a similar display in a public square of Obama hanging from a tree, or crucified.  It would be torn down, and people would probable be prosecuted for something or another....or maybe more riots!    Obviously there are limitations to freedom of speech.


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U.S. presidents are burned in effigy routinely, including in Russia.  Recently, in Crimea, Obama and most Ukrainian politicians were burned in effigy.  A Russian state sponsored "celebration" in Crimea with Ukrainian tanks and strong Nazi symbolism did not provoke a response from Ukraine's embassy.  Obama has also been used as a target for archery practice in Russia.  No outrage, AFAIK, and certainly no complaints from the American embassy.  But I am not surprised an authoritarian country which controls a great deal of the media emanating from within its borders would complain.  Evidence of an immature democracy.
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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #11 on: May 22, 2015, 08:48:17 AM »

Imagine the uproar if we had a similar display in a public square of Obama hanging from a tree, or crucified.  It would be torn down, and people would probable be prosecuted for something or another....or maybe more riots!    Obviously there are limitations to freedom of speech.

You think? So what's changed?





Media Didn't Care About Protest Signs Threatening Bush 

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Effigies have been hung, burned, crucified, shot, beheaded or otherwise depicted gross bodily harm to living individuals for centuries. 

I'm not sure what the artist was trying to convey with his depiction of Mr. Putin on a cross but my historical (as opposed to the biblical) understanding of crucifixion is one of unjust persecution and/or sacrifice for one's beliefs. Is it possible what the artist was trying to convey is not hatred but sympathy towards Mr. Putin?

U.S. presidents are burned in effigy routinely, including in Russia.  Recently, in Crimea, Obama and most Ukrainian politicians were burned in effigy.  A Russian state sponsored "celebration" in Crimea with Ukrainian tanks and strong Nazi symbolism did not provoke a response from Ukraine's embassy.  Obama has also been used as a target for archery practice in Russia.  No outrage, AFAIK, and certainly no complaints from the American embassy.  But I am not surprised an authoritarian country which controls a great deal of the media emanating from within its borders would complain.  Evidence of an immature democracy.

They do seem to whinge a lot over insignificant matters. By making the complaint the Russians have drawn more attention to the depiction than it ever would have got if they'd ignored it.

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #12 on: May 22, 2015, 08:52:19 AM »
Someone spent good money on that suit.  I wonder if its still usable?
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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #13 on: May 22, 2015, 08:57:56 AM »
Someone spent good money on that suit.  I wonder if its still usable?

LMAO. :D

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #14 on: May 23, 2015, 06:40:28 AM »
I'm not sure what the artist was trying to convey with his depiction of Mr. Putin on a cross but my historical (as opposed to the biblical) understanding of crucifixion is one of unjust persecution and/or sacrifice for one's beliefs.

No, Brass, it's not.  It has been used for thousands of years, and is still, for example, a recognised form of punishment in the United Arab Emirates (although I imagine there would be an outcry of monumental proportions were it ever to be applied).  For more (fortify yourself first), see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

There's a fairly graphic sequence in Robert Fabbri's fictionalised biography of Vespasian about how the future Emperor's older brother crucified a young member of a gang of rustlers that they caught stealing their cattle.

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #15 on: May 23, 2015, 10:36:43 AM »
No, Brass, it's not.  It has been used for thousands of years, and is still, for example, a recognised form of punishment in the United Arab Emirates (although I imagine there would be an outcry of monumental proportions were it ever to be applied).  For more (fortify yourself first), see:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crucifixion

There's a fairly graphic sequence in Robert Fabbri's fictionalised biography of Vespasian about how the future Emperor's older brother crucified a young member of a gang of rustlers that they caught stealing their cattle.

I did not know this, Kiwi. Thanks for the edification. :)

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Re: Latvia Removes Installation of 'Crucified' Putin
« Reply #16 on: May 23, 2015, 01:56:51 PM »
And here is the FSU connection:

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"It has been reported that crucifixion was used in several cases against the German civil population of East Prussia when it was occupied by Soviet forces at the end of the Second World War."[95]

 

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