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« Reply #2175 on: January 27, 2015, 06:37:49 AM »
Another distraction while Russia invades Ukraine


Many other countries may not consider it a 'distraction' if it is true that we are so active in 130 countries with these 'special ops'...this is the sorta of thing that is precisely why certain countries object and make claims of 'interference'....and it is possible they are justified in making these objections....despite your attempts to silence the messenger...and sweep it under the carpet.   


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« Reply #2176 on: January 27, 2015, 06:42:46 AM »

Hey Doll,  It appears France and Russia are striking a new deal regarding pigs/pork, despite objections from other EU states like Poland:


http://news.yahoo.com/poland-criticizes-bilateral-trade-deals-moscow-french-accord-155155322.html




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What solidarity? It was Russia that refused to buy food from Europe :D


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« Reply #2177 on: January 27, 2015, 06:45:39 AM »
Special operation of Ukrainian Army destroys terrorists’ aviation

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The terrorists continue to suffer substantial losses in manpower and equipment.


This is reported by Censor.NET citing the press service of the Ministry of Defense.

"In the course of armed hostilities, all attempts of the terrorists to attack the Ukrainian military near Nikishyne, Ridkodub, Novoivanivka, Novohryhorivka, Popasna direction and in Vodiane, Opytne, Mariinka and Maiorsk have been repulsed. The terrorists suffered heavy losses in manpower and equipment," the statement reads.

Read also: Nine Ukrainian soldiers killed, 29 wounded over past day


According to the ministry, over the past 24 hours (26-27 Jan.), the Ukrainian military destroyed four combat vehicles, five SP-guns and 7 vehicles of the terrorists.

"The Armed Forces of Ukraine destroyed four tanks, nine armored combat vehicles, four MLRS Smerch, 12 MLRS Grad, 18 vehicles, one aircraft L-39, two AN-2, one Yak-52, two Yak-50 and four Mi-24 helicopters," the Defense Ministry added.

The information was confirmed by the General Staff. Acting head of the press center of the General Staff Vladyslav Selezniov confirmed the information to Ukrainska Pravda, Censor.NET reports.

"As a result of a special operation in the ATO area the militants' aircraft were destroyed. This is the same equipment which they boasted saying they have aviation which they planned to use against our forces in the ATO area," Selezniov said.
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« Reply #2178 on: January 27, 2015, 06:57:37 AM »
censor.net is one of the least reliable source.

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« Reply #2179 on: January 27, 2015, 08:05:10 AM »
Hardly..

 Pravda, RT, Sputnik, Tass and many others that end with .ru have that 'honor'.


So once again, why don't Russians want a better life for their children, grandchildren and future generations than what they had?  Does dirt taste better when it's passed onto the future generation of the 4th world country?
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« Reply #2180 on: January 27, 2015, 08:12:45 AM »
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censor.net is one of the least reliable sources.


Untrue.  It is an aggregator, and one of the things it reports accurately daily is the number of deaths of Ukrainian soldiers.
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« Reply #2181 on: January 27, 2015, 08:33:37 AM »

Well the crux of the article was that we were doing Special Ops in 130 countries last year.  If that is the case, that is a hell of a lot of potential interference...I imagine some were with approval and others probably not.




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You can't handle interference!



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« Reply #2182 on: January 27, 2015, 09:29:28 AM »
LNR Coaasks Angry

Today we would like to address the world community, and personally Vladimir Vladimirovich Putin, and tell what is going on in the so called Luhansk People?s Republic. Your prot?g?s, Mr. Plotnitsky, steals wagon loads of coal every day. I have personally counted 164 of such wagon loads today. There are documents that prove all of this. Each of us was fighting to make the life of people easier. Here you see people who entered the Security Service of Ukraine building and who said the word ?Russia?. I would like to ask Russia ? how long will Mr. Plotnitsky and those strange Jews be robbing us? I will tell you, who Mr. Plotnitsky is ? he is a prot?g? of Natalia Korolevskaya. Right now there are people of Mr. Yefremov who are in the Regional State Administration building. We would like to ask whether we were entering the building to get this? Whether ?Bars? and all others were dying for this?

 

We wanted an easier life for people.  From all the 10 so called humanitarian convoys only one has reached people. All other goods have been sold. I would like to ask: who will hold accountable? Mr. Plotnitsky and all the others? I understand, many people would say that we have elected him. I will tell you how these elections were conducted!

 

No more lies! We have risen for freedom and we are free people! Mr. Plotnitsky said in Brianka that we are extremists. So, dear Ihor Venediktovich, you are thief! You are thief of people?s trust. You have implemented social cards: if a person does not come to the elections, he or she does not get a pension.  There was no such intimidation anywhere else in the world. There was no such intimidation even in fascist Ukraine. You are worse than they are. We demand your retirement. We, the first cossack regiment of Platov, demand your retirement! And the Whole Luhansk region will rise together with us! They see how their resources are being stolen, how you steal everything possible and not possible every day; how those minion fighters, who were included in brigades, take apartments and live there. Because they ?have a right for this?!

 

Why haven?t we stolen anything? We were fighting in Severodonetsk, Lisichansk, Pervomaysk, we have taken villages of Frunze and Donetski etc. And where were you? Were you sitting in the Regional State Administration building? Ask each of them what have they got from this war; only ruins and pain. And let?s see what you have got. So I would like to know, when you visited Brianka, why didn?t you work up the courage to visit us? Is it because we have such piles of documents that show what you have stolen?

 

You together with Mr. Bolotov were cutting wagons into pieces in Sentianovka. And what were we doing, we who were stealing those wagons from Popasna and bringing them in order to leave them for the Republic. And now you say that you have nothing to transport the coal with. So why do you taking this coal away? Where are real social payments? Where is at least one law from your Fraking parliament? Where are they? What do we need you for?

 

You talk about a Cossack republic. No, we are for the LNR, but without you. Without Ihor Plotnitsky, without Koriakin, and all that trash which sits there. We want one thing: not show but actions.

 

Excuse me, when you bring 35 presents to the children?s foster home once in half a year, ?thank you very much?, Mr. Koriakin. You are sucking a dick Liosha. We are all waiting for you in Stakhanov. Come to us. Here is an online salute to Mr. Tambov. You know about a flash drive which is in my pocket. If in the next few days something happens to any of these people, the information on this flash drive will be spread to all servers in the world. And then we will play for completely other resources.

 

All those people here have risen for Russia. Do not destroy that belief in them. Who gave you a right to decide for the whole large country? Each of them, or at least most of them, were born in the Soviet Union. And we remember it unlike you. You want only collecting and stealing. Learn how to live! Learn to live as people live! Each of you steals or ?solves problems?. I will give you an example: Luhansk Teplovos has sent three locomotives, where are they? An address of destination is the town of Rivne. Where does the coal go? I will tell you: to the same place, to Western Ukraine.

 

Tell us, what do we get? A lot of people here come from Lysychansk. They have families, children there etc. Did anybody think that we should give people their homes back? Did anybody think that we should return these families?

 

You went to Minsk and made that Fraking peace agreement. Who was it peaceful for? I ask you a question: who was this agreement peaceful for? Come to Pervomaysk and look how glad we were for your peace. You thought that we would be happy when a new manning table of a regiment comes and we get new ranks of colonels. Each of us is glad to be sergeant or staff-sergeant. We are glad to have a lot of brothers and not because we get new ranks, money etc! If you think that you bought some drunkards, brought them here and they will do everything for you, no ? this is our land. And we will do everything here. And do not shout here about Cossacks. There is another talk here: this is our land, we were born and raised here, we lived here and, if God helps, we will die here when we are old. We have risen for freedom and not for you giving us social cards, or any gifts. We do not need your cheap gifts. There is a good saying: ?If you want to feed a hungry man with fish, give him a rod, not a fish?.

 

So, Vladimir Vladimirovich, we ask you to give us a rod, and not to feed us with fish! Look what is really going on. When we were telling you that Mr. Surkov is a thief, you did not hear us. Yes, we know that you?ve dismissed Mr. Surkov, but this did not change anything. There are the same people everywhere. A regional prosecutor is a former regional prosecutor. The Deputy-Head of the Ministry of Internal affairs used to be an assistant of the ATO Head of Ukraine 2 weeks ago! One question: did anything change?

 

What were we losing friends for? We will do more for you. We will film a parade of a whole regiment for you tomorrow. It will consist of 1500 people and everybody who will join it. You know, we are not afraid of any threats that we will be killed. We were killed many times and we are still alive. And yes, happy new year to everyone!
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« Reply #2183 on: January 27, 2015, 10:14:13 AM »
So, you wanted to be free by calling Russia? Take Russia.
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« Reply #2184 on: January 27, 2015, 10:38:25 AM »

Untrue.  It is an aggregator, and one of the things it reports accurately daily is the number of deaths of Ukrainian soldiers.
True. The reports are not accurate. almost no prove

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« Reply #2185 on: January 27, 2015, 10:43:44 AM »
True. The reports are not accurate. almost no prove


But you do take RT reports at face value, right?


Like NATO is spearheading Ukraine's attack on Russia.


Where's the proof? You say you know what is happening. Heard anyone in Russia say that Russia has been attacked? Except Huilo, that is.
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« Reply #2186 on: January 27, 2015, 10:47:18 AM »

But you do take RT reports at face value, right?


Like NATO is spearheading Ukraine's attack on Russia.


Where's the proof? You say you know what is happening. Heard anyone in Russia say that Russia has been attacked? Except Huilo, that is.
Actually, first thing I do  is Department of State Daily briefings, then European official video or articles, then everything else.
Department of States doesn't have numbers of loses

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« Reply #2187 on: January 27, 2015, 11:02:01 AM »
So once again, why don't Russians want a better life for their children, grandchildren and future generations than what they had?  Does dirt taste better when it's passed onto the future generation of the 4th world country?

Does it give you a warm fuzzy feeling that your grandchildren will try to fill their stomachs with dirt?
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« Reply #2188 on: January 27, 2015, 11:16:25 AM »
MY grandchild is and will be fine. Thanks for your concern though :D
I only care for my two sons, daughter-in-law and the baby. My parents are dead already.

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« Reply #2189 on: January 27, 2015, 11:25:34 AM »
So you seem to be fine with future generations of Russian babies forced to eat dirt just because your glorious leader has ruined the country?

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« Reply #2190 on: January 27, 2015, 11:28:00 AM »
So you seem to be fine with future generations of Russian babies forced to eat dirt just because your glorious leader has ruined the country?
Again- I only care for my family and leave politics for politicians (and RWD)

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« Reply #2191 on: January 27, 2015, 12:37:33 PM »
True. The reports are not accurate. almost no prove
How does one "prove" that 3 soldiers died on a particular day?

Most of the articles are statements of others, which are, in fact, provable.  Please provide proof of an inaccuracy on such an article reported on censor.net.
 
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« Reply #2192 on: January 27, 2015, 12:49:39 PM »
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What solidarity? It was Russia that refused to buy food from Europe

Correct.

FT, get with the times.

The vast majority of so-called food bans are part of "reverse sanctions" instituted by President Putin.

Now he is getting hungry apparently. Beets only go so far...
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« Reply #2193 on: January 27, 2015, 01:01:57 PM »
How does one "prove" that 3 soldiers died on a particular day?

Most of the articles are statements of others, which are, in fact, provable.  Please provide proof of an inaccuracy on such an article reported on censor.net.
I won't because I don't read this site.
You can tell about this "accuracy" to our American members (they will believe anything), but you (and I )know that one can write anything what he thinks. Only official papers give you true number, nobody have these papers.
Both sides lie and we don't know what is truth what is not.
Censor. net is the least reliable source.

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« Reply #2194 on: January 27, 2015, 01:27:16 PM »
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Only official papers give you true number, nobody have these papers.

Well, the official documents tell Russian mothers that their sons died from mysterious, yet unexplained, accidents in the Rostov region. Very believable, indeed.
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« Reply #2195 on: January 27, 2015, 01:48:16 PM »
I won't because I don't read this site.
You can tell about this "accuracy" to our American members (they will believe anything), but you (and I )know that one can write anything what he thinks. Only official papers give you true number, nobody have these papers.
Both sides lie and we don't know what is truth what is not.
Censor. net is the least reliable source.


Oh, you mean like Graham Phillips?
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« Reply #2196 on: January 27, 2015, 01:55:55 PM »

Both sides lie and we don't know what is truth what is not.



Both sides lie but they don't lie about everything. Russian troops are in Ukraine just as Putin admitted they were in Crimea. Western nations wouldn't hurt their economies with sanctions on Russia over a lie.


When this crisis began, I heard from unbelievers that Russia was not involved and the rebels were getting their gear from raiding police and military armories and military fatigues from army surplus stores. How can a conflict go this long without someone supplying them weapons? Ammo from the armory would've ran out a long time ago. Doll, who do you think is providing the endless supply of weapons they need? If Russian troops aren't helping the rebels, tell us how a handful of rebels is pushing back an army of an entire nation? I'm not asking for proof, just your opinion.
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« Reply #2197 on: January 27, 2015, 01:56:42 PM »
So you seem to be fine with future generations of Russian babies forced to eat dirt just because your glorious leader has ruined the country?

Sounds as a nightmarish dream of Russophobe  :o
It seems our glorious leader failed to ruin the country. The index of industrial production in December 2014 has shown the highest value in the year, probably as the result of import substitution. So eating dirt is postponed. May be next leader will succeed in ruining Russia but I would not rely on it too much  :)

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« Reply #2198 on: January 27, 2015, 02:03:24 PM »
Sounds as a nightmarish dream of Russophobe  :o
It seems our glorious leader failed to ruin the country. The index of industrial production in December 2014 has shown the highest value in the year, probably as the result of import substitution. So eating dirt is postponed. May be next leader will succeed in ruining Russia but I would not rely on it too much  :)

Uh-huh. Nazi Germany's industrial production was at it's peak during '43/'44. Probably as a result of import substitution as well.  :P

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« Reply #2199 on: January 27, 2015, 02:06:44 PM »
I won't because I don't read this site.
You can tell about this "accuracy" to our American members (they will believe anything), but you (and I )know that one can write anything what he thinks. Only official papers give you true number, nobody have these papers.
Both sides lie and we don't know what is truth what is not.
Censor. net is the least reliable source.

Doll, that one post is quite telling about you. Why would you think what one writes would be any less credible than what an "official" papers or release cites? Do you not believe your government officials will lie to you?

 

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