2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)

[Gator]

http://www.jubakpicks.com/what-we-still-dont-know-about-the-coronavirus-according-to-who-as-chinese-workers-begin-to-return-to-work/


"....in China millions of migrant workers are beginning to return to work in cities around the country with China doing whatever it can think of to minimize the threat of the epidemic spreading on trains and planes.... measures include compulsory temperature checks, strengthened disinfection, better ventilation, and higher hygiene standards in both vehicles and terminals. China Railway will ensure an occupation rate of no more than 50% on trains, while civil aviation authorities have asked airlines to reserve a “quarantine zone” on planes and seat passengers as far apart as possible."

[Gator]

This suggests the worse is over.  Nevertheless, work remains. 

"WHO said it still doesn’t know the source of the outbreak, or what its natural reservoir is, or its transmissibility or severity."

"A number of outside health researchers and organizations tracking the disease say that the next big question is whether the coronavirus epidemic now limited largely to one country becomes a true pandemic with centers of infection arising outside China.

[Gator]

Better hurry while the sale is on! 

[BillyB]

High amounts of Sulfur Dioxide showing all over the populated areas of China. The burning of organics which includes human bodies emits Sulfur Dioxide. Wuhan is showing the most Sulfur Dioxide.

http://www.windy.com/-Show---add-more-layers/overlays?so2sm,44.402,40.957,3

[IvanM07]

High amounts of Sulfur Dioxide showing all over the populated areas of China. The burning of organics which includes human bodies emits Sulfur Dioxide. Wuhan is showing the most Sulfur Dioxide.

http://www.windy.com/-Show---add-more-layers/overlays?so2sm,44.402,40.957,3

I saw that last week, but didn't have a source to confirm it. Seems those leaked numbers are true. Just saw this today.

Here is an estimate of 1.5m coronavirus cases in China, 50,000 deaths in Wuhan
http://www.forexlive.com/news/!/here-is-an-estimate-of-15m-coronavirus-cases-in-china-50000-deaths-in-wuhan-alone-20200210

[BillyB]

Nearly 16,000 new cases of infections today which is the biggest one day jump ever.

http://gisanddata.maps.arcgis.com/apps/opsdashboard/index.html#/bda7594740fd40299423467b48e9ecf6

The WHO gives the virus a new name so it doesn't offend or apply a stigma to a certain group people or animals.

http://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/coronavirus-gets-official-name-who-covid-19-n1134756

[Gator]

Nearly 16,000 new cases of infections today which is the biggest one day jump ever.

This needs explanation. 

China has changed its basis for determining if a person is infected.  China until this change had reported only cases that have been confirmed by laboratory testing of respiratory and serum samples from clinical specimens.  Now China includes clinically diagnosed cases. 

From the start there were questions about the supply of available test kits and qualified laboratories.  Many assumed that China's analytical capacity was constrained, thereby artificially placing a limit on the maximum number of cases that could be tested in any day.  China was steadily reporting about 3000 new cases per day  in early February and had even reported a slowing of new cases.   

Today China added a second category besides those confirmed by laboratory testing.  This additional category is for clinically diagnosed cases without laboratory confirmation.  This is based primarily CT scan results (which would show severe lung  inflammation, the body's immune system response).   

Under its new protocol,  China today (Feb 13 in China) reported 14,840 new cases vs. 2,000 cases on February 11.       

[BillyB]

This needs explanation. 

It's always been assumed China is underreporting and probably still is. John Hopkins only report what they are told. Notice some Chinese provinces have thousands infected, report hundreds recovered, yet report no deaths or one death.

China has a hard time stopping the virus from infecting their most important people to fight the virus. At least 500 medical workers infected and a possible 600 more could be infected. Incompetent management endangering the lives of employees and patients. I've seen plenty of photos of Chinese medical workers and they wear simple masks which can't stop the virus 100% of the time. The ones who are best qualified to give medical attention should be the ones most protected since they are around the virus everyday and are critical in stopping it and saving lives. Are cows still more valuable than human life in China these days?

http://www.businessinsider.com/healthcare-workers-getting-coronavirus-500-infected-2020-2

175 now infected with coronavirus on cruise ship, including quarantine officer. People are probably wishing they cancelled their vacations to Asia like common sense told them so.

http://arstechnica.com/science/2020/02/175-now-infected-with-coronavirus-on-cruise-ship-including-quarantine-officer/

[Gator]

Billy,

There have been questions from the start about China's reports or lack thereof.  One US senator raised the possibility the virus may have come from China’s biological warfare program, which supposedly has a laboratory near Wuhan
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[Gator]

The WHO gives the virus a new name so it doesn't offend or apply a stigma to a certain group people or animals.

Racial discrimination is indeed occurring, yet the designation has nothing to do with a  stigma.  Previously it was referred to as 2019 - nCoV.

"Following WHO best practices for naming of new human infectious diseases,....WHO has named the disease COVID-19, short for “coronavirus disease 2019.”


http://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200211-sitrep-22-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=fb6d49b1_2

[msmob]

People are probably wishing they cancelled their vacations to Asia like common sense told them so.

'People' are wondering why you are posting tosh about this virus ..

You KEEP posting about face-masks ... and I keep telling you that the face-masks most folk wear are useless after they become damp - six minutes ...


More people will die from 'flu in the UK / US than your 'fixation' ..

SC is in Asia and I'm NO more worried about her catching Covid-19 than I am you telling 'the world' another version of "How Moby kept SC waiting" and "V wasn't avoiding signing divorce papers" ...or even repeatedly stating  "Moby didn't tell partners about his affliction" ..

You ARE a 'virus'..)))   Just not a very infectious or serious one

[Gator]

The recent news simply reveals that we do not have this disease under control. 

The disease is spreading outside China , infecting people who did not travel to China or have any known contact with someone who did travel.  See WHO's Situation Report 23 http://www.who.int/docs/default-source/coronaviruse/situation-reports/20200212-sitrep-23-ncov.pdf?sfvrsn=41e9fb78_2

Pay attention to countries such as Singapore, which are 3-4 weeks ahead of the US in this possible pandemic.   

Singapore has 47 cases, 22 "with travel history to China," and 25 cases with "possible or
confirmed transmission outside of China.

[BillyB]

More people will die from 'flu in the UK / US than your 'fixation' ..

You are very weak in many areas, especially in math and common sense. If you were to get infected this year from a virus and you had a choice, would you want the flu virus or the new coronavirus?

7 billion people on earth probably experienced flu viruses once or multiple times in their lives. Millions have died. If 7 billion people experiences this coronavirus just once, billions will die using the current death vs recovery numbers China is providing. The situation is probably much more grim.

There are vaccines and anti viral medicines for flu viruses. There is no known cure for this coronavirus. But proceed to tell people the flu virus is worse. Nobody trusts you anyway.

[IvanM07]

'People' are wondering why you are posting tosh about this virus ..

You KEEP posting about face-masks ... and I keep telling you that the face-masks most folk wear are useless after they become damp - six minutes ...

Where did he keep posting about face-masks? I see one reference to paper/surgical masks. Which is true. Several at the CDC have said the only masks worth using are P95/P100 Style. The greatest advantage to using those paper masks is that people are less likely to touch their face.

More people will die from 'flu in the UK / US than your 'fixation' ..

That's true. I often think about the upcoming new flu variant and how the US/UK is preparing to Quarantine 60 Million people for flu season. 

It's a hassle, but you get used to it living in 2020.

SC is in Asia and I'm NO more worried about her catching Covid-19 than I am you telling 'the world' another version of "How Moby kept SC waiting" and "V wasn't avoiding signing divorce papers" ...or even repeatedly stating  "Moby didn't tell partners about his affliction" ..

You ARE a 'virus'..)))   Just not a very infectious or serious one

At it again I see.

You can't stop

[Gator]

You are very weak in many areas, especially in math and common sense. If you were to get infected this year from a virus and you had a choice, would you want the flu virus or the new coronavirus?

Good point.  Part of the "rumor mill" is an infected person is never cured of COVID -19.  Infected people are not demonstrating  evidence of developing individual immunity to future outbreaks. 

[BillyB]

I often think about the upcoming new flu variant and how the US/UK is preparing to Quarantine 60 Million people for flu season.

Moby thinks the flu is worse than the coronavirus. Millions of Americans will get the flu this year. Same in China, Russia and many other countries yet we don't close borders and conduct business as usual. Nations have not been very verbal about what is going on but look at what they do, not what they say. China's neighbors have closed their borders. Flights in and out of China have been banned. Coronavirus is not just a people killer, it's an economy killer.

American CDC predicts a community outbreak of the virus is likely which means somebody infected is going to get through unchecked and spread it to a lot more people.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/community-spread-of-new-coronavirus-in-us-likely-cdc/ar-BBZUQt1?ocid=spartanntp

SC is in Asia and I'm NO more worried about her catching Covid-19

Is she vacationing in North Korea? They report zero infections and zero deaths.

[msmob]

Where did he keep posting about face-masks?

Don't be as Silly as BillyB...

Try to check to whom a quote is addressing..)

[msmob]

Moby thinks the flu is worse than the coronavirus.

Silly BullyB is making stuff up, AGAIN...

You really DO have a bad habit.


Stats for this virus are always behind reality and your quoting a state that is hardly honest about ANYTHING ...and keeps a close tab on folks venturing too far from the beaten track is risible.

How many people have died from the virus outside China...from nations that can be relied on to be trying to be accurate?

Last time *I* checked Thailand was an Asian country and perhaps you can tell us of the 'restrictions' the US has put on people returning from other Asian nations?


'Thank you'

[Gator]

Stats for this virus are always behind reality and your quoting a state that is hardly honest about ANYTHING ...and keeps a close tab on folks venturing too far from the beaten track is risible. 

That is even more reason to doubt whether China has this virulence under control. 

How many people have died from the virus outside China...from nations that can be relied on to be trying to be accurate?

On the time scale, other countries are behind  China.  Wait 3-4 weeks. 


It is more likely than not that the US will avoid an epidemic.   However, it is prudent and reasonable to assume some infected people entered the US undetected.  In 3-4 weeks we can be sure. 

Until then if I were travelling in emerging Asia I would be somewhat cautious (avoid crowds, wash hands frequently, never touch the face especially the nose, no raw food).  Yes, a mask is not needed except to protect others if one gets flu symptoms.   

[msmob]

That is even more reason to doubt whether China has this virulence under control. 

I was referring to North Korea ..   Worse than China re paranoia ?

On the time scale, other countries are behind  China.  Wait 3-4 weeks. 

Hardly - given western folks have been coming and going from the region of China most effected ( Christmas ./ New Year) when it is possible ( probable) that Chinese Officialdom were penalising  / berating those claiming there was a problem.

The virus was out earlier and given the 14 day incubation time being banded about ..

It is more likely than not that the US will avoid an epidemic.   However, it is prudent and reasonable to assume some infected people entered the US undetected.  In 3-4 weeks we can be sure. 

You assume the folks who may have already imported it show symptoms worthy of worry ... and are quarantined

Until then if I were travelling in emerging Asia I would be somewhat cautious (avoid crowds, wash hands frequently, never touch the face especially the nose, no raw food). 

Unless you grow your own food and live in the wilderness - that seems impossible ?

[BillyB]

How many people have died from the virus outside China...from nations that can be relied on to be trying to be accurate?

Each nation with citizens are putting their best doctors and scientists on the very few that are infected. They get the best care, immunity boosters, help with breathing and medicine to regulate temperature. The are doing their best to learn about the virus and keep the handful of people alive. Now if they let it get out of control and have 60,000 infected, not everybody will get the best medical staff, treatment, and drugs to beat the virus.

When someone gets a flu virus, they can beat it at home or visit a below average doctor in a small clinic to get told to get rest and get prescribed a few common drugs to regulate temperature and relieve symptoms. An average person with the flu doesn't need the best of the best to beat it.

[msmob]

Each nation with citizens are putting their best doctors and scientists on the very few that are infected. They get the best care, immunity boosters, help with breathing and medicine to regulate temperature. The are doing their best to learn about the virus and keep the handful of people alive. Now if they let it get out of control and have 60,000 infected, not everybody will get the best medical staff, treatment, and drugs to beat the virus.

Are you forbidden or advised NOT to visit Asian nations - other than China, yet  ? 

When someone gets a flu virus, they can beat it at home or visit a below average doctor in a small clinic to get told to get rest and get prescribed a few common drugs to regulate temperature and relieve symptoms. An average person with the flu doesn't need the best of the best to beat it.

Do you know the 'average' person needs help to survive Covind-19 ?  You DO realise some had it and did not realise they had it, right ?

Er, when someone gets the 'flu, now - they are MORE  likely to be the below average intellect sort running to  a competent Doctor - because of the fascination of this outbreak by the Tabloid reading Silly BillyB's  - despite the advice to stay at home..


Now, you are knocking some Doctors ?   Do you have many incompetent Doctors over there ... I somehow doubt it ...


Just stay indoors ... grow your own food and shun friends and neighbours with colds ..   Write bollox on the net ..  You'll be fine

[BillyB]

Due to public pressure based off poor government handling of the virus, China fired high level officials and replaced them. Although they increased the infected and death count by a huge jump with the new management's blessing, they're still lying.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/china-reports-spike-in-virus-cases-with-new-way-of-counting/ar-BBZWN53?ocid=spartanntp

[msmob]

Sighs

Nothing in BillyB's link suggests the Chinese are 'lying', now.

The spike...as clearly explained, is the criteria to confirm cases is looser and swifter.

Can BillyB advise if any western nation has banned travel to other Asian countries?....

[BillyB]

Nothing in BillyB's link suggests the Chinese are 'lying', now.

The Chinese don't suggest they lie yet the reason they give for the low numbers that were previously reported is because the old methods they've used to count were to blame. You can trust their new method to count infections and deaths if you want but I don't trust them. Apparently a lot of people died already and it was documented something else killed them but it's too late to go through their cremated ashes to do another autopsy.