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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #625 on: April 13, 2020, 12:00:42 PM »

This is all but over except for the shouting. We scared the bejesus out of the children as it is, so let's just go back to work.

But what about info that Billy posted indicating that corona will cause lasting physical and mental damage to those who contract it and survive ?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #626 on: April 13, 2020, 01:17:58 PM »
The point is the military equivalent of Tony Fauci should not decide whether to invade the CCCP or Red China.

Yes, the President gets to decide after listening to all the experts around him. Half the world is extremely upset that Trump gets to decide.

Dr. Fauci, the trumpeted *EXPERT* declared late February that the US have nothing to worry about this pandemic. It changed shortly thereafter. He followed that up by giving us a whole bunch of overly-estimated models which proved way out of the ballpark. He earned a nice fortune cookie for these wonderful declarations so far.


Fauci also echoed WHO advising against travel restrictions.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #627 on: April 13, 2020, 01:18:57 PM »
That's what we said about the Iraq war also a decade ago.  Problem is we didn't have an exit strategy.  Ditto with this virus, so far no exit strategy.  Lemme tell ya, it's very tenacious.

I am reminded about a moment during an Iraq war briefing where Donald Rumsfed was asked if WMDs actually existed since they haven't found any, in which he replied,"We haven't found Saddam Hussein either, but it doesn't mean he doesn't exist!"

Saddam, Rumsfeld and Iraq is totally irrelevant..but I get your 'meaning'...

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Don't be fooled by the graphs, there are weekend lulls, guess some labs are taking weekends off. Is possible deaths on weekends are underreported as well.  My gut feeling it'll be another 6 weeks before we (in the US) note with confidence a fall in numbers of new infections which is the first indicator that should trend down.  What happens 'afterwards' can be a prolonged process as well along with risks of rebound across the nation.

I stopped looking at graphs, BC. So far, the only thing it proves to this point is, it gets a daily update which means what you're looking at, or relying on, today means nothing. It's guaranteed to change tomorrow anyway. That fact has been what is consistent so far.

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I think Cuomo said it best.  http://www.cnbc.com/video/2020/04/13/new-york-gov-cuomo-on-coronavirus-i-believe-the-worst-is-over-if-we-continue-to-be-smart.html

The only thing that proves about Cuomo is he's a true politician. There will not be a politician that is stupid enough to not mince those exact same words if asked for their opinion. Under the present circumstances, no doubt movement will be tiered, it'll be phased, measured/calculated. Trump wasn't kidding when he said this will be the single most difficult decision he will ever have to make so far. It's a *damned if you do, and damned if you don't* type of decision. A modicum of success under a thick, triple layer of failure REGARDLESS of which path he takes. This will largely be Trump's legacy going forward.

Since the shutdown, 300% rise on suicide rates, DV increased, Opioid deaths spiraling. Not to mention the desperation of those struck down by this pandemic on the economic scale of this problem. The country needs to move forward.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #628 on: April 13, 2020, 01:25:54 PM »
But what about info that Billy posted indicating that corona will cause lasting physical and mental damage to those who contract it and survive ?

Without sounding insensitive, but sorry...the very vast majority of those who suffered or died from this infection aren't exactly the cream of the crop health-wise to begin with.

So it isn't like they recovered and survived the virus and all of the sudden they also got rid of obesity, diabetes, coronary ailment, pneumonia, hypertension, black lungs, etc...
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
2. The 2018 Camp Fire and Woolsey California wildfires are forests burning because of global warming.
3. N95 mask will choke you dead after 30 min. of use.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #629 on: April 13, 2020, 01:34:03 PM »
That's what we said about the Iraq war also a decade ago.  Problem is we didn't have an exit strategy.  Ditto with this virus, so far no exit strategy.  Lemme tell ya, it's very tenacious.

I agree. COVID-19 in the US will decline from the currently peaking epidemic levels to an endemic level.  Some locales could even experience another peak.   In other words, the virus will not "exit," and over the next few years perhaps 80% of the population will have been infected.  Accept it. 


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Don't be fooled by the graphs, there are weekend lulls, guess some labs are taking weekends off.

The weekend pattern is not seen in Florida data, which I follow closely for my county, another county nearby, and even my postal zip code.   There are lows and highs, with the low numbers occurring on Tuesday-Wednesday.  Statewide data for 21 million population (about 1/3 of Italy's) are below: 

Date     Σ Tests   Δ Tests      Σ +'s     Δ +'s

23-Mar    13,094                1,171    
24-Mar    16,046     2,952     1,467     296
25-Mar    27,539     11,493     2,355     888
26-Mar    29,114     1,575     2,484     129
27-Mar    32,983     3,869     2,900     416
28-Mar    43,071     10,088     4,038     1,138
29-Mar    50,528     7,457     4,950     912

30-Mar    56,702     6,174     5,704     754
31-Mar    64,661     7,959     6,741     1,037
1-Apr    69,265     4,604     7,793     1,052
2-Apr    80,356     11,091     9,008     1,215
3-Apr    95,835     15,479     10,268     1,260
4-Apr    107,313     11,478     11,545     1,277
5-Apr    116,898     9,585     12,350     805

6-Apr    126,048     9,150     13,629     1,279
7-Apr    139,669     13,621     14,747     1,118
8-Apr    143,707     4,038     15,698     951
9-Apr    156,852     13,145     16,826     1,128
10-Apr    165,686     8,834     17,968     1,142
11-Apr    175,834     10,148     18,986     1,018
12-Apr    185,520     9,686     19,895     909

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My gut feeling it'll be another 6 weeks before we (in the US) note with confidence a fall in numbers of new infections which is the first indicator that should trend down. 

The number of daily new cases in Florida has remained relatively flat even as the number of daily tests reached its peak.  Florida's lockdown was not stringent, e. g., the Governor declared religious services were essential. 

Our hospitalizations peaked four days ago; however, the numbers are too small to be confident about identifying a trend.  Nothing suggests we have to wait six weeks for smaller  numbers of new infections. 



          TOTAL   DAILY
DATE   HOSP.   HOSP.
      
28-Mar    567    
29-Mar    633    66
30-Mar    715    82
31-Mar    857    142
1-Apr    990    133
2-Apr    1,167    177
3-Apr    1,334    167
4-Apr    1,470    136
5-Apr    1,555    85
6-Apr    1,719    164
7-Apr    1,893    174
8-Apr    2,082    189
9-Apr    2,298    216
10-Apr    2,496    198
11-Apr    2,607    111
12-Apr    2,672    65



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What happens 'afterwards' can be a prolonged process as well along with risks of rebound across the nation.

Yes
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #630 on: April 13, 2020, 01:43:53 PM »
….So it isn't like they recovered and survived the virus and all of the sudden they also got rid of obesity, diabetes, coronary ailment, pneumonia, hypertension, black lungs, etc...

Which now brings me to this new point...

There's another slant one can surmise when one looks at the daily/total fatalities in any COVID update report/s.

Does the number of deaths in each country/region gives you a glimpse at the makeshift of any particular societies?

Is the fact that the infection rate in the US is nearly 3.5 times more than Italy's, yet the US death rate is almost at par with them - actually suggests Italy's citizens are more prone to be cigarette smokers compared to the US?

Is the fact that while black Americans represent only 18% of NY's population, but is overly represented in the death counts (33%+) because blacks generally have a higher obesity (diabetes, hypertension, smokes, etc) rate than non-Hispanic white Americans?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #631 on: April 13, 2020, 01:59:04 PM »
the very vast majority of those who suffered or died from this infection aren't exactly the cream of the crop health-wise to begin with.


The study says those with mild or severe cases of COVID-19 can acquire damage to their organs and they may need lifetime medical care. It doesn't say healthy people are immune to organ damage. Most people will survive COVID-19 but it doesn't mean their medical needs stop there. The extra needs will be a burden on our economy.

http://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-infection-may-cause-lasting-220307511.html

It's a good read. Here's some from the article.

“COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disorder,” said Dr. Harlan Krumholtz, a cardiologist at Yale University. “It can affect the heart, the liver, the kidneys, the brain, the endocrine system and the blood system.”

Still, doctors are worried that in its wake, some organs whose function has been knocked off kilter will not recover quickly, or completely. That could leave patients more vulnerable for months or years to come.

Another question that could take years to answer is whether the SARS-CoV-2 virus that causes COVID-19 may lie dormant in the body for years and spring back later in different form. It wouldn't be the first virus to behave that way.


Governments can't dismiss this as if it's no more dangerous than the flu. They can advertise by putting out data showing it's not bad to prevent panic though. Governments need to go after this thing as if it is the pathogen of the century. Fortunately for us, they have gone after it as if it is the pathogen of the century.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #632 on: April 13, 2020, 02:35:18 PM »
BillyB-

Again, what I'm saying is the very vast majority of people succumbing to this virus are those with underlying health condition to begin with. It leaves to reason if drastic measures are taken to save their life, e.g. ventilator use, medication reaction, or further stress to an already compromise state, can and will only exacerbate an existing health condition.

If a person is administered tracheotomy, or intubation procedures then the likelihood of physical damage to the body is enhanced. Or if the person doesn't get adequate oxygen in its circulatory system, then there's a higher potentiality of organ failure.

The article is redundant, medically speaking, for the simple reason it is stating (or the doctor being quoted) what already is a reasonable course. Notice the ambiguity in the article.

It is these types of media reporting that is helping to make this virus far more frightening than the seasonal flu that had so far killed 3x more Americans every year. Consistently.

In certain circles, this can easily be classified as 'sensationalism'.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #633 on: April 13, 2020, 03:18:32 PM »

Again, what I'm saying is the very vast majority of people succumbing to this virus are those with underlying health condition to begin with.

GQ, yes I think we all understand that those with underlying health conditions are the ones most likely to catch, recover badly, and die from corona.  No arguments there.

However, the words Billy quote seem to me to be applicable to very healthy people as well.

“COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disorder,” said Dr. Harlan Krumholtz, a cardiologist at Yale University. “It can affect the heart, the liver, the kidneys, the brain, the endocrine system and the blood system.”
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #634 on: April 13, 2020, 03:53:52 PM »
New reported US casualty now at 80,000!!! Not of COVID, but of the seasonal flu in 2017.

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However, the words Billy quote seem to me to be applicable to very healthy people as well.

“COVID-19 is not just a respiratory disorder,” said Dr. Harlan Krumholtz, a cardiologist at Yale University. “It can affect the heart, the liver, the kidneys, the brain, the endocrine system and the blood system.”

Respiratory system is the first casualty with the virus as it attacks both the ciliated and goblet cells. That leads to dead cells inciting blockages in the lungs which leads to pneumonia. But it is also reported that it also attacks the kidney and the spleen (which would leave the liver exposed for further compromise). Just like the SARS virus in this regard.

Both conditions triggers release of our immune system furthering damages to healthy tissues. Which, I would believe, is what the fatal complication being cited in the article. Is this unprecedented? No. Unabated, this happens with any other virulent viruses or bacterial epidemic. Moreover, it won't take long for organs to fail if the blood doesn't get properly oxygenated anyway.

My point is, healthy or otherwise, what's the *shocking* revelation in the article since this is the usual progression of such diseases. IMHO, of course. If in doubt, let's see how the likes of Rand Paul, Chris Cuomo, Boris Johnson, Tom Hanks, Rudy Gobert, Donovan Mitchell, Kevin Durant, etc...progress with their recoveries.

In 2017, it was estimated that 80,000 Americans died of the flu that year. 80,000!!! LMAO! And we have vaccines for these. That was Trump's first year as POTUS! I don't remember any talk of social distancing, face mask, lockdowns, graphs, toilet paper hoarding, flight banning, etc...

but yeah - models did reared it's ugly head: The death rate apparently was an estimate based on modeling.

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CDC officials do not have exact counts of how many people die from flu each year. Flu is so common that not all flu cases are reported, and flu is not always listed on death certificates. So the CDC uses statistical models, which are periodically revised, to make estimates.

CDC officials called the 80,000 figure preliminary, and it may be slightly revised. But they said it is not expected to go down.

Fatal complications from the flu can include pneumonia, stroke and heart attack.
http://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/

The bolded part is another display of our imperfect science - comorbidity; that's currently being debated too.

All things in life is always a matter of perspective, I guess.
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1. Because of 'man', global warming is causing desert and arid areas to suffer long, dry spell.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #635 on: April 13, 2020, 04:55:54 PM »
In 2017, it was estimated that 80,000 Americans died of the flu that year. 80,000!!! LMAO! And we have vaccines for these. That was Trump's first year as POTUS! I don't remember any talk of social distancing, face mask, lockdowns, graphs, toilet paper hoarding, flight banning, etc...

but yeah - models did reared it's ugly head: The death rate apparently was an estimate based on modeling.
http://www.statnews.com/2018/09/26/cdc-us-flu-deaths-winter/


No country pays much attention to the flu. All countries are taking this virus seriously so it's just not one leader of one country that is overestimating this virus. Trump didn't have models to work with in January. While the nation was busy with the impeachment, Trump paid attention to the shit show in China, their resistance to allow WHO and CDC inspectors to observe what his happening and he knows they BS big time and decided to ban travel from China in January. He knew this virus was extremely dangerous back in January and took action that shocked the world. He later shocked the world again banning travel from Europe. Our economy is going to suffer as long as this virus is around. It will suffer more and for much longer if many of those who survived COVID-19 have new health problems for life as doctors are predicting.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #636 on: April 13, 2020, 05:34:21 PM »
I agree. COVID-19 in the US will decline from the currently peaking epidemic levels to an endemic level.  Some locales could even experience another peak.   In other words, the virus will not "exit," and over the next few years perhaps 80% of the population will have been infected.  Accept it.

Then what city will be the next NYC? Yours?  The number 1 moneymaker in FL is tourism.  Will tourists want to go there with a 'get used to it attitude'?  What percentage of that are from international tourists?  Will FL have to implement state income tax to cover the shortfall?  It is not that different here but I doubt the same approach would be applied.  Countries that can get a handle on the virus will be the future tourism hotspots.

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The weekend pattern is not seen in Florida data, which I follow closely for my county, another county nearby, and even my postal zip code.   There are lows and highs, with the low numbers occurring on Tuesday-Wednesday.  Statewide data for 21 million population (about 1/3 of Italy's) are below: 

The number of daily new cases in Florida has remained relatively flat even as the number of daily tests reached its peak.  Florida's lockdown was not stringent, e. g., the Governor declared religious services were essential.

Our hospitalizations peaked four days ago; however, the numbers are too small to be confident about identifying a trend.  Nothing suggests we have to wait six weeks for smaller numbers of new infections. 

That is all fine and good!  Compliments! But how do you intend to keep it that way instead of being 'ripe' for the pickin' in viral terms with each inbound flight or carload of folks from the north?  How about all those cruise ships?

Can't we be smarter than this incredibly dumb virus that does not even have a brain?  Is rolling over and playing dead gonna work?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #637 on: April 13, 2020, 05:39:54 PM »
Which now brings me to this new point...

As the data comes in and is analyzed, more will be known.  We sadly know very little at this point.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #638 on: April 13, 2020, 05:46:28 PM »
Am I misreading these reports?  Billy's statments imply that anyone that got the Covid-19 virus is going to suffer lasting damage to organs, etc.   My impression is that is only expected in those that have severe reactions to the virus and are on deaths doorstep.

Considering that many people contracting the virus have very mild symptoms, it seems illogical to me that they will have organ damage in the future.

Am I missing something?
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #639 on: April 13, 2020, 05:52:06 PM »
he knows they BS big time and decided to ban travel from China in January. He knew this virus was extremely dangerous back in January and took action that shocked the world. He later shocked the world again banning travel from Europe.

IIRC travel was not banned, but due to restrictions on non-citizens/residents flying to the US from China and later Italy and later other EU countries, most airlines stopped flying or in the case of EU minimized flights dramatically.  Regarding China isn't it a 'chicken or egg first' theory? Did airlines stop flying?  IIRC they had trouble finding crews to fly the planes.  Also, that checks of remaining passengers were pretty lax with no quarantine requirements nor tests and in most cases, not even a temperature taken?

I can get on a plane tomorrow bound for the US.  Maybe I'm asymptomatic, infecting folks along the way.. who is to know?

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #640 on: April 13, 2020, 05:58:44 PM »
Am I missing something?

There is some evidence from autopsies being reported here that shows clots are formed as antibodies attach themselves to this virus and may block the small capillaries in many parts of the body.  Nothing concrete yet though.  This could, however, account for permanent damage to organs that do not regenerate readily like heart and lungs and penis.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #641 on: April 13, 2020, 08:11:25 PM »
Since the shutdown, 300% rise on suicide rates, DV increased, Opioid deaths spiraling. Not to mention the desperation of those struck down by this pandemic on the economic scale of this problem. The country needs to move forward.
Well shows how 'resilient' and 'exceptional' the US populace is. 
  If what you report is accurate moving forward may be have a higher survival rate even with the virus running loose! 

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #642 on: April 13, 2020, 08:15:39 PM »
My impression is that is only expected in those that have severe reactions to the virus and are on deaths doorstep.


The article said many with mild symptoms of COVID-19 showed loss of organ function. This is a Chinese study. It could be true or actually worse than what they're finding. Since we are behind China, Western nations will be able to put out their own findings in a month or so when it comes to understanding if survivor's organ functions returned to normal. From the article:

In a study posted this week, scientists in China examined the blood test results of 34 COVID-19 patients over the course of their hospitalization. In those who survived mild and severe disease alike, the researchers found that many of the biological measures had “failed to return to normal.”

http://news.yahoo.com/coronavirus-infection-may-cause-lasting-220307511.html

Besides the Chinese doctors saying many organ functions failed to return to normal, some Western doctors chimed in too. From the article:

Given SARS-CoV-2's affinity for lung tissue, doctors quickly suspected that some recovered COVID-19 patients would sustain lasting damage to their lungs. In infections involving the coronavirus that cause severe acute respiratory syndrome (SARS), about one-third of recovered patients had lung impairment after three years, but those symptoms had largely cleared 15 years later. And researchers found that one-third of patients who suffered Middle East respiratory syndrome (MERS) had scarring of the lungs — fibrosis — that was probably permanent.

As some of you know, the media has again told us Trump and Dr. Fauci are feuding. Today's briefing hopefully put an end to that. Dr. Fauci said Trump always took his and Dr. Brix's health recommendations although unpopular to some who want the economy moving. Dr. Fauci also said this virus is worse than we could ever imagine.

I can get on a plane tomorrow bound for the US.  Maybe I'm asymptomatic, infecting folks along the way.. who is to know?


Maybe it's time to come home BC. We'll take you back, warts, infections, and all.
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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #643 on: April 13, 2020, 08:27:31 PM »
No country pays much attention to the flu. All countries are taking this virus seriously so it's just not one leader of one country that is overestimating this virus. 
This seems to be pretty strong evidence that there is something more to this virus than the current death count in the US which seemingly isn't that large just yet.  It begs the question of:

 'Why would the world's leaders all fairly uniformly take such severe precautions if there wasn't good reason?

Makes me wonder what is going on.  What doesn't the public know?   

Fathertime!   
I just happened to be browsing about the internet....

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #644 on: April 13, 2020, 08:45:00 PM »
Makes me wonder what is going on.  What doesn't the public know?   


It's best the public doesn't know because panic will kill more than the virus. But look at the history of two other coronaviruses. Neither qualified as the virus of the century. One third of the survivors of SARS had lung impairment for up to 15 years. One third of the survivors of MERS had lung damage for life. And that is just lungs. SARS COV-19 can damage other organs too. We can't have a nation full of sick people. Sick people don't function properly, need more medical care which will stress out our hospitals, increase social programs, and hurt the economy. We can't afford that which means we can't go back to a normal life anytime soon. We must stall for time in hopes a vaccine will be created. Once created we can go back to a normal life and get the economy going 100% but we can't do that if one third of the population has health problems.
Fund the audits, spread the word and educate people, write your politicians and other elected officials. Stay active in the fight to save our country. Over 220 generals and admirals say we are in a fight for our survival like no other time since 1776.

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #645 on: April 13, 2020, 08:47:46 PM »
At last some good news. Hopefully Georgia follows suit and opens their economy April 21 as promised.




http://apnews.com/ba9578acf23bdb03fd51a2b81f640560

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #646 on: April 13, 2020, 10:37:34 PM »
From my daughter:


"Good luck, one of my coworkers ran into a operation manager at my work and he says that he thinks we will be shut down til at least July. Then they won't be able to rehire all of us because there will be rules on how close people can be etc. This whole thing is to destroy our country I swear to God. Plus take away our liberty as we know it."

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #647 on: April 13, 2020, 10:52:20 PM »
This, from the guy who believes global warming caused by man is causing long, dry spell in desert areas. I doubt Trump cares about any opinion coming from such characters who harbor such idiotic opinion.

As yes, I noticed you were still misquoting longer dry spells and the sparks that started the Paradise fire weren't at all to do with the MUCH longer, drier spells...


Dr. Fauci, the trumpeted *EXPERT* declared late February that the US have nothing to worry about this pandemic. It changed shortly thereafter.


And.. ? He learnt more and revised his viewpoint - perfectly normal for an honest person

He followed that up by giving us a whole bunch of overly-estimated models which proved way out of the ballpark. He earned a nice fortune cookie for these wonderful declarations so far.

As we have no way of knowing if his models WERE 'over-estimations' .. He certainly explained they were worst case scenarios  - if NOTHING was done ... I'm wondering what you're trying to 'achieve' .. other than drawing attention to your ability to warp the words / intent of folks....


The lastest grim estimate of dead Americans is now adjusted to 60,000! Yeay! That would put us right smack on par with 2017, 2018 seasonal flu death counts.

But did they quarantine you ? ,,,, Are you suggesting that lock-downs are a waste of time ...?  If so, relocate to Sweden or Belarus...



This is all but over except for the shouting. We scared the bejesus out of the children as it is, so let's just go back to work.


I'll probably have that as MY strapline in a few months ... to remind you ..  :deadhorse:

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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #648 on: April 13, 2020, 11:01:18 PM »
Such a response identifies you as the obtuse one.  You are deliberately being slow.  The question of how safe is "safe" is exactly the question, and  the answer will involve tradeoffs.    It is such a perplexing decision that you will not begin to write a substantive answer.   

If we stay in lockdown, as your criticism of Trump suggests, until all leading medical doctors say it is "safe" to go back to work, you will not see SC  until maybe mid-2021.     

1/ Gator - your question was answers... as long as it takes, either to find a vaccine or better treatment

2/ If that means I'll not be with SC for a while .. I'd rather have that and be paying for for the govt borrowings, than losing friends and family needlessly early

 

Trump synthesizes the opinions of Fauci and many other scientists, economists, etc.  Trump even listens to people like you (those who look only in the rearview mirror), and he answers their questions , e. g., Jim Acosta at the briefings.   

The point hat the good Doctor has made is that 'Trampu' DOESN'T listen to good advice ...

Yes, isn't it great!!!!

'Sure' ... tell THAT to lose who have lost loved ones - probably because 'Trampu' was more worried about the economy ..


Again... he is not alone in not listening to the more negative predictions and necessary steps that should have been taken ...   


SOME folks seek to shut down WHO ( or have its head replaced ) for asking govts to "TEST, TEST and TEST again" ..


Seems to me the wrong guy  is in the crosshairs of those to dumb to see who SHOULD be replaced !



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Re: 2019 - nCoV (novel coronavirus originating in Wuhan, China)
« Reply #649 on: April 14, 2020, 12:46:26 AM »
Maybe it's time to come home BC. We'll take you back, warts, infections, and all.

Nope.  I wanted to come back in April for a birthday but nixed that.  October / November is very iffy unless we all test positive for antibodies.  Otherwise, it will be next April or when a vaccine is available.

 

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